Al Jarreau

[The Oracle]

Anybody know what ever happened to Al Jarreau?

He used to be friends with Miles Davis.

He was involved with Scientology for a while.

He was in the Carribean when the Freewinds was there, by coincidence, and someone got him to come aboard for a tour.


http://www.aljarreau.com/

[Romuva]

He did a album with George Benson in 2006.I listened to some of it..it's
pretty good.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jarreau


He's a "cross-over" .He experiments with different Genres,at times.

George Duke is like that with Funk..he started out in funk instrumental and later did more singing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udJxF_P2MsA

Yeah I used to hear stories about different musicians being Scientologists..

Van Morrison,Terry Bozio..supposedly Jeff Beck at one point.

[Tanstaafl]

Yeah I used to hear stories about different musicians being Scientologists..

Van Morrison,Terry Bozio..supposedly Jeff Beck at one point.

A couple of years ago I was told that Van Morrison was no longer in but was still paying for friends/family to get services at Dublin Mission.

I hadn't heard about Terry Bozzio before. I'm a big fan of his playing with Zappa. Being a good friend of Frank's to the end wouldn't have gone down well in the org :eyeroll:

[Romuva]

I see your point


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage


I remember for some reason seeing that in a personal testimonial.
Didn't sci used to have those testimonials where they would have the
celebritie's picture and a quote by them?

[Tanstaafl]

I see your point


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage


I remember for some reason seeing that in a personal testimonial.
Didn't sci used to have those testimonials where they would have the
celebritie's picture and a quote by them?

Zappa has a couple of other little digs at Hubbard in other material such as Billy the Mountain. It would be ironic if Hubbard had heard Joe's Garage and thought "I'll do the same thing in Mission Earth and call Rockefeller Rockecenter".

The celeb pics and quotes certainly appear in What is Scientology.

[nexus100]

Anybody know what ever happened to Al Jarreau?

He used to be friends with Miles Davis.

He was involved with Scientology for a while.

He was in the Carribean when the Freewinds was there, by coincidence, and someone got him to come aboard for a tour.


http://www.aljarreau.com/


I saw Al a month or so ago at a Jazz festival held at the San Michelle Winery in Woodinville, Wa. He was fabulously upbeat, sounded great and was the highlight of the day. Stanley Clarke appeared with a band he'd put together and also played terrifically although his style was not what the crowd wanted to hear. He may have detected that because he was a bit surly. However the man can play bass, electric or acoustic beyond anything I've seen.

[OHTEEATE]

In 1998 or so my 1st wife and I were in the MAA waiting area at Flag doing a marraige counselling action. Chick was talking to us on the couch. I asked him what happened to Stanley. He said as best he could tell he was just swayed over to the dark side of the force, meaning the critic side( us). I think the same happened with Al Jarreau, maybe his 2D stuff was a problem for him. Stanley Clarke was one of the artists who mentioned his affinity for LRH on every one of his album covers, right up until he left.

[Tanstaafl]

In 1998 or so my 1st wife and I were in the MAA waiting area at Flag doing a marraige counselling action. Chick was talking to us on the couch. I asked him what happened to Stanley. He said as best he could tell he was just swayed over to the dark side of the force, meaning the critic side( us). I think the same happened with Al Jarreau, maybe his 2D stuff was a problem for him. Stanley Clarke was one of the artists who mentioned his affinity for LRH on every one of his album covers, right up until he left.

I read that at one stage Chick had the members of his Electrik Band doing conditions on their performances. I'm not sure how well your typical muso would take that or how workable it is. Also, at one point, he had them doing some synchronised dance moves. Don't get me wrong, he's a talented guy, the band leader, and he's writing the cheques, but I can see this kind of thing going down like a lead balloon with many jazz-type musicians. I don't think it would endear me to Scn.

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Alanzo]

I read that at one stage Chick had the members of his Electrik Band doing conditions on their performances. I'm not sure how well your typical muso would take that or how workable it is. Also, at one point, he had them doing some synchronised dance moves. Don't get me wrong, he's a talented guy, the band leader, and he's writing the cheques, but I can see this kind of thing going down like a lead balloon with many jazz-type musicians. I don't think it would endear me to Scn.

Cheers

tanstaafl

Jazz, as a culture, does not mix well with Scientology as a cult-ure.

It's amazing to me that Chick still plays as well as he does.

[Tanstaafl]

Jazz, as a culture, does not mix well with Scientology as a cult-ure.

Agreed. Jazz is a format for improvisation - the spontaneous expression of self in a given context. It cannot, by nature, be allied to rigid structure and dogma. Also, it requires taking risks. I wouldn't like to staticise Coltrane solos! :)

It's amazing to me that Chick still plays as well as he does.[/QUOTE]

Billy Sheehan too. The whole area of artist creativity is a weird one. I think an artist could benefit greatly from good auditing and C/Sing, but it cannot be denied that many great artists were/are aberrated as hell.

[Alanzo]

Agreed. Jazz is a format for improvisation - the spontaneous expression of self in a given context. It cannot, by nature, be allied to rigid structure and dogma. Also, it requires taking risks. I wouldn't like to staticise Coltrane solos! :)

It's amazing to me that Chick still plays as well as he does.

Billy Sheehan too. The whole area of artist creativity is a weird one. I think an artist could benefit greatly from good auditing and C/Sing, but it cannot be denied that many great artists were/are aberrated as hell.[/quote]

If you mean that they depart from a straight line, then yes, I agree.

This is a very bad thing in Scientology. In fact, it's aberrated!

[nexus100]

"I think an artist could benefit greatly from good auditing and C/Sing, but it cannot be denied that many great artists were/are aberrated as hell."

And yet they may have been saner than the societies they were living in, no? Are the Buddhist monks who die in flames more rational or less than the average Joe?

[Div6]

Billy Sheehan too. The whole area of artist creativity is a weird one. I think an artist could benefit greatly from good auditing and C/Sing, but it cannot be denied that many great artists were/are aberrated as hell.

If you mean that they depart from a straight line, then yes, I agree.

This is a very bad thing in Scientology. In fact, it's aberrated![/QUOTE]

Apples and oranges...Sheehan is a mechanical robot...no inspiration, but lots of loud flashy noises. Saw Niacin last year at ProgFest....they were real snoozers.

Chick actually has something to say...and he says it well. The album he cut at Delphi is an amazing testament to his improvisatory skills...

[Tanstaafl]

"I think an artist could benefit greatly from good auditing and C/Sing, but it cannot be denied that many great artists were/are aberrated as hell."

And yet they may have been saner than the societies they were living in, no?

Underneath the social veneer? Quite possibly.


Are the Buddhist monks who die in flames more rational or less than the average Joe

I've no idea. That particular act could be done in many ways from many motivations, the highest of which would be impressive indeed.

Cheers

tanstaafl

[nexus100]

If you mean that they depart from a straight line, then yes, I agree.

This is a very bad thing in Scientology. In fact, it's aberrated!

Apples and oranges...Sheehan is a mechanical robot...no inspiration, but lots of loud flashy noises. Saw Niacin last year at ProgFest....they were real snoozers.

Chick actually has something to say...and he says it well. The album he cut at Delphi is an amazing testament to his improvisatory skills...[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the comment on aberration. It got me to look at my viewpoint on it and I now realize that aberration is a myth. We are spiritual beings. It doesn't matter what route we take to get or not get anywhere. The straight line show is for public consumption.

[moontaco]

Yeah I used to hear stories about different musicians being Scientologists..

Van Morrison,Terry Bozio..supposedly Jeff Beck at one point.
I believe you're mistaken about Jeff Beck. I've never heard of him having anything to do with Scientology. Perhaps you're thinking of Beck?

Edgar Winter's still in, isn't he? I wonder what his brother Johnny thinks about Scientology, and whether it's caused any problems between them.

[OHTEEATE]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).
Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist. What do you think, was Hubbard right when he said the civilization is going down with jets behind it?

[mountainpeak]

Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist. What do you think, was Hubbard right when he said the civilization is going down with jets behind it?

Good point. One of my buttons too. Hubbard was right.

[Div6]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).
Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist. What do you think, was Hubbard right when he said the civilization is going down with jets behind it?

As nationalism fragments, it is being replaced with tribalism. Happens all the time on the track.

[Zinjifar]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).
Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist. What do you think, was Hubbard right when he said the civilization is going down with jets behind it?

Talk about 'PTS to the Middle Class' :)

Zinj

[The Oracle]

I saw Al a month or so ago at a Jazz festival held at the San Michelle Winery in Woodinville, Wa. He was fabulously upbeat, sounded great and was the highlight of the day. Stanley Clarke appeared with a band he'd put together and also played terrifically although his style was not what the crowd wanted to hear. He may have detected that because he was a bit surly. However the man can play bass, electric or acoustic beyond anything I've seen.

Thanks for the report on Al. What a talent! Just divine!

[The Oracle]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).
Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist. What do you think, was Hubbard right when he said the civilization is going down with jets behind it?

Well, I have some tattoos. No body piercing. I think tattoos are pretty sexy. Justin Timblerlake in Blake Snake Moan and Alpha Dog sports some hot looking ink. I think the thing for women is that they not over do it, and they keep the tattoo in a private place. Not where it's out for general public view. I'm thinking of having the word "MAGICK" tattooed between my butt dimples. You know, those dimples right above your butt? What do you think? Too trashy?

[moontaco]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).
Also, while on the subject of aberration, and one of my buttons, is this weird gothic and tattoed trend with women, and men, to the point where tattoos are becoming common on females. This, when I was young, was a mark of a trash person, someone who had marked themselves up would be ostracized. It get worse by the year , seemingly. Now lips and tongues are pierced, eyebrows, cheeks, nipples, genitalia. There is even a cable TV show called LA Ink about a female tattoo artist.
What bothers you about a female having tattoos, or being a tattoo artist? I realize you don't approve of tattoos in general, but it sounds like your disapproval is based on gender to some degree.

[OHTEEATE]

It's just a sort of automatic dislike , and disagreement of the trend of ink on females. I think women are naturally beautiful in their skins, and do not need tattoos to be more interesting or ornate. Professional womens basketball is now full of tattooed women, in the last 5 years it has gotten much worse. The number of women in the US, in cities mostly, with "full sleeve" tattoos is growing pretty fast. As much as I disagree with some of LRHs observations, this one seems to be "symbols" on the tone scale, with a big exclamation point!

[Alan]

I saw Al a month or so ago at a Jazz festival held at the San Michelle Winery in Woodinville, Wa. He was fabulously upbeat, sounded great and was the highlight of the day. Stanley Clarke appeared with a band he'd put together and also played terrifically although his style was not what the crowd wanted to hear. He may have detected that because he was a bit surly. However the man can play bass, electric or acoustic beyond anything I've seen.



Back in 1977, I had a funny incident with Stanley Clarke - we were both leaving flag at the same time.

I asked if I could share his taxi to the airport - he reluctantly said "okay" - once we were in the taxi - it was obvious something was very out - he couldn't look at me, and I didn't want to talk to him - finally we both burst out laughing - we said to each other simultaneously "your leaving for good aren't you!" :omg:

As we were both going to LA we sat together on the same flight - great natter session. :)

Alan

[Div6]

Back in 1977, I had a funny incident with Stanley Clarke - we were both leaving flag at the same time.

I asked if I could share his taxi to the airport - he reluctantly said "okay" - once we were in the taxi - it was obvious something was very out - he couldn't look at me, and I didn't want to talk to him - finally we both burst out laughing - we said to each other simultaneously "your leaving for good aren't you!" :omg:

As we were both going to LA we sat together on the same flight - great natter session. :)

Alan

That is pretty hilarious....would make a great skit. Carolyn and Stanley went on to raise St. Bernards, as I recall...


Frith

[The Oracle]

Too funny Alan!

O.K. Mike, I'm going to give this magick tattoo some more thought.

I agree there are women that over do this thing to a point of looking masculine.

[Div6]

Too funny Alan!

O.K. Mike, I'm going to give this magick tattoo some more thought.

I agree there are women that over do this thing to a point of looking masculine.

Put up a pic of your current state. Then we can better evaluate the aesthetics of more....

[Terril park]

It's just a sort of automatic dislike , and disagreement of the trend of ink on females. I think women are naturally beautiful in their skins, and do not need tattoos to be more interesting or ornate. Professional womens basketball is now full of tattooed women, in the last 5 years it has gotten much worse. The number of women in the US, in cities mostly, with "full sleeve" tattoos is growing pretty fast. As much as I disagree with some of LRHs observations, this one seems to be "symbols" on the tone scale, with a big exclamation point!

I'd say its not part of your culture.

Pricilla Presly made a comment re Michael Jackson doing " Body art".

Tribal peoples have done this for a long time. Why can't we?

You agin makeup also? :)

Check out Goth girls on the net. Aesthetics.

[OHTEEATE]

it's not a big put down of anyone with a tattoo, it's just personal taste. It used to make me cringe to unwrap a new girlfriend at first intimacy, and discover unwanted decorations...(shudder)...but you are right, it's not part of my culture. It's part of the culture that is coming up, which I will be born back into, and I hope I maintain my integrity and do not ink myself up. Painful they are, and permanent." A premanent reminder of a temporary condition-" Jimmy Buffet:D

[Tanstaafl]

I'm with Ohteate on this one. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a woman choosing to have a tattoo - I just don't like them. They just aren't feminine. Those nose stud things are even worse :confused2: - like a big golden blackhead that you just have to squeeze. :eek:

[Zinjifar]

I'm with Ohteate on this one. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a woman choosing to have a tattoo - I just don't like them. They just aren't feminine. Those nose stud things are even worse :confused2: - like a big golden blackhead that you just have to squeeze. :eek:

It's quite likely that the women with nose-studs are using them as a 'filter' against guys they don't *want* to have interested in them :)

So many men in the universe... why bother with the ones who creep out about nose studs? :)

Zinj

[Tanstaafl]

It's quite likely that the women with nose-studs are using them as a 'filter' against guys they don't *want* to have interested in them :)

So many men in the universe... why bother with the ones who creep out about nose studs? :)

Zinj

Possibly. It seems to be working. :)

[Zinjifar]

Possibly. It seems to be working. :)

I'm sure that Mrs. Tanstaafl is happy not to have to get into jello-wrestling to defend her territory :)

(much as the rest of us might want to watch)

But, on another level; one of my favorite novels is Delaney's 'Babel 17', which has a wonderful story line about a completely 'straight' government beaurocrat who discovers the wonders of 'modification' and has a little fire-breathing dragon implanted in his shoulder.

It's only a sub-plot.

Zinj

[Tanstaafl]

I'm sure that Mrs. Tanstaafl is happy not to have to get into jello-wrestling to defend her territory :)

Hmmmm, that gives me an interesting idea............:eyeroll:

[alex]

It's quite likely that the women with nose-studs are using them as a 'filter' against guys they don't *want* to have interested in them :)

So many men in the universe... why bother with the ones who creep out about nose studs? :)

Zinj

You know your women....that indicates

alex

[Cat's Squirrel]

Still in. Shows up regularly for events when needed for that public.(rock 'n rollers).

I didn't know Edgar was a Scientologist until today. I liked "Frankenstein" a lot, but I guess he wasn't one then, in 1973 (am I the only one who thinks that creativity declines once someone gets involved in Scientology?).

[Alanzo]

I didn't know Edgar was a Scientologist until today. I liked "Frankenstein" a lot, but I guess he wasn't one then, in 1973 (am I the only one who thinks that creativity declines once someone gets involved in Scientology?).

No. You're not the only one.

Fixed, pinheaded mindsets like the Scientology one can not do anything but smash your creativity.

[Tanstaafl]

I didn't know Edgar was a Scientologist until today. I liked "Frankenstein" a lot, but I guess he wasn't one then, in 1973 (am I the only one who thinks that creativity declines once someone gets involved in Scientology?).

It hasn't for Chick Corea.
It did for Karen Black.

The bottom line is that if you were to make a list of the truly great artists this planet has produced, they are/were all "wogs"! :yes:

[Bea Kiddo]

I didn't know Edgar was a Scientologist until today. I liked "Frankenstein" a lot, but I guess he wasn't one then, in 1973 (am I the only one who thinks that creativity declines once someone gets involved in Scientology?).

I dont know if he has ever come out and said that he is a Scientologist. But I can safely say:

He performed at one of the CC Christmas Story events.

I thought he was pretty cool. Cause I was assigned to help him for a bit there. He is legally blind (he can see, but I believe only very very fuzzy and can barely make out objects) and he had to go early before the event to check out the stage and figure out distances and so forth so that he could do his performance. I dont know if you have seen him perform, but he does not hold back.

When it was time for the event, I had to walk him from his trailor to the backstage at the Pavillion at CC. I had to hold his hand and walk him the whole way so that he didnt trip on anything on the way over.

---

He did the Purif and Objectives.

[byte301]

I dont know if he has ever come out and said that he is a Scientologist. But I can safely say:

He performed at one of the CC Christmas Story events.

I thought he was pretty cool. Cause I was assigned to help him for a bit there. He is legally blind (he can see, but I believe only very very fuzzy and can barely make out objects) and he had to go early before the event to check out the stage and figure out distances and so forth so that he could do his performance. I dont know if you have seen him perform, but he does not hold back.

When it was time for the event, I had to walk him from his trailor to the backstage at the Pavillion at CC. I had to hold his hand and walk him the whole way so that he didnt trip on anything on the way over.

---

He did the Purif and Objectives.

Back in my day everyone knew he was in. He seemed like a really nice person. The blindness comes with being an albino. I guess Johnny is almost totally blind now but he still plays in clubs around Texas. He is one of the best and so underrated it's a crime.

I always wondered about Chaka Kahn. Was she in? I saw her perform at an event in LA and she blew everyone away. But never heard anything about her after that. She is a great talent.

[OHTEEATE]

Chaka was around Flag a lot in 2005, and has a local art talent club that helps African American kids get into culture and art and music. I think she was hooked in with Ebony Awakening. She has done gigs with CC Int, I believe, and may have done some services. She had a hit record a few years back. Ain't no body, loves me better, than you. Oh yeah, sing it down low for me , baby.

[ThisFenceHurts]

FWIW, I saw an article online last year (no idea where...) where Chaka Khan was seriously promoting Christianity...no mention of Scientology.

[Cat's Squirrel]

Seems like he's done a few basic courses and services;

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/e/edgar-winter.html

He also posted this;

http://www.scientology-kills.org/celebrities/winters.htm

[byte301]

FWIW, I saw an article online last year (no idea where...) where Chaka Khan was seriously promoting Christianity...no mention of Scientology.

That's good news!

[dexter gelfand]

I saw Al Jarreau perform at Cal Expo about 6 weeks ago, I'd seen him on a double bill with David Sanborn in 1980 in New York. He's still a great talent.

I'm a huge Jeff Beck fan, saw him perform a couple years ago in NYC. I've searched for and never found a credible report that he was into Scientology. Most likely its rumored because of the one name performer, Beck-the kid with the hat- is a Scientologist.

Love, Dex

[Woggin' out]

We hung out w/ him in London for a time in '89. He was into tattoos and piercings and a little bit of health foods and some "herb". A cool dude but I'm pretty sure he was no Scio. I was a newbie at the time and I would've picked up on it. He did rag alot on his ex wife though!
And Robert Plant was pushed hard to get into Scientology but didn't bite the bait. I was told this by an English woman (Suzanne?) who was an exec in ASI who wanted my help re: him through my casual aquaintance of him.

[Div6]

We hung out w/ him in London for a time in '89. He was into tattoos and piercings and a little bit of health foods and some "herb". A cool dude but I'm pretty sure he was no Scio. I was a newbie at the time and I would've picked up on it. He did rag alot on his ex wife though!
And Robert Plant was pushed hard to get into Scientology but didn't bite the bait. I was told this by an English woman (Suzanne?) who was an exec in ASI who wanted my help re: him through my casual aquaintance of him.

Plant would have never made it 5 minutes in Scn....once Page's Crowley involvement came up, it'd be "handle or disconnect". And you know how well that would fly: like a lead zeppelin.