Just blow!

[Free to shine]

So many of the stories here include the agony of "routing out properly". The sec checks, the humiliation, the endless waiting, the intimidation and documents to be signed. All with the hope that at some time in the future things will be better and you can clamber back on the Bridge to Total Freedom and all will be well with the world again.

It ain't gonna happen. If you are lurking and reading this board - you are already "out" for all intents and purposes.

So avoid the distress - just blow.

If at some point in the future remnants of the technology can be salvaged in the post Miscavige era, then would be the time to explore that without duress, should you want to.

Personally I don't, but it is an individual choice.

Once you have again tasted real freedom to be, to run, to create, to be a family, to love, to relax, to sleep and eat, to watch a movie, to......(endless possibilities).... you really get a different viewpoint on what life can be in all it's fullness. What we do each and every day with love and gratitude can bring more spiritual gain than we were ever allowed to think.

Just blow baby, blow! :happydance:
There are many people here to help.

[GreyLensman]

So many of the stories here include the agony of "routing out properly". The sec checks, the humiliation, the endless waiting, the intimidation and documents to be signed. All with the hope that at some time in the future things will be better and you can clamber back on the Bridge to Total Freedom and all will be well with the world again.

It ain't gonna happen. If you are lurking and reading this board - you are already "out" for all intents and purposes.

So avoid the distress - just blow.

If at some point in the future remnants of the technology can be salvaged in the post Miscavige era, then would be the time to explore that without duress, should you want to.

Personally I don't, but it is an individual choice.

Once you have again tasted real freedom to be, to run, to create, to be a family, to love, to relax, to sleep and eat, to watch a movie, to......(endless possibilities).... you really get a different viewpoint on what life can be in all it's fullness. What we do each and every day with love and gratitude can bring more spiritual gain than we were ever allowed to think.

Just blow baby, blow! :happydance:
There are many people here to help.

:iagree:

The claim is that routing forms are for the individual and the organization. Not true. They are there for control and to re-indoctinate where possible.

Eventually you have to stop being "nice". Better sooner than later. The reality is that if you stay sane you will leave, and the Church can't accept that as an EP.

Freedom isn't attainable for an individual within the Church. Self-determinism is anathema, really, as is thinking for yourself, making up your own mind, and independence of thought or evaluation of importance of your own goals. All of those are coerced into compliance with Church doctrine through ethics, "justice" (truly double-speak there) and routing forms.

Just leave. Go. Don't communicate. The Code of Honour says don't give or receive communication unless you yourself desire it. Follow it. Don't fear to hurt another in a just cause either.

[Lohan2008]

Now is the time to grab your black cape and Guy Fawkes mask :guyfawkes: and join "Anonymous" :anon: the party is on the OUTSIDE ! We have cake !!! :cake:
:mudkip: says "Blow!"
:party:

[HappyGirl]

:iagree: I should have just blown - and I wish I had never paid back my freeloader debt! Blow and ignore any freeloader debt you have.

[DCAnon]

Freeloader debt is NOT LEGAL! You don't have to pay it and there's nothing they can do to you. There's nothing to worry about, just get out and get on living! :happydance:

[Free to shine]

:iagree:

The claim is that routing forms are for the individual and the organization. Not true. They are there for control and to re-indoctinate where possible.

Eventually you have to stop being "nice". Better sooner than later. The reality is that if you stay sane you will leave, and the Church can't accept that as an EP.

Freedom isn't attainable for an individual within the Church. Self-determinism is anathema, really, as is thinking for yourself, making up your own mind, and independence of thought or evaluation of importance of your own goals. All of those are coerced into compliance with Church doctrine through ethics, "justice" (truly double-speak there) and routing forms.

Just leave. Go. Don't communicate. The Code of Honour says don't give or receive communication unless you yourself desire it. Follow it. Don't fear to hurt another in a just cause either.

Thanks GL. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. :)

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

"You know you don't have to act with me, Steve. You don't have to say anything and you don't have to do anything. Not a thing. Oh, maybe just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you, Steve? You just put your lips together and blow."

A knockout 17-year-old Lauren Bacall to a clearly stunned Humphrey Bogart, her future husband, in "To Have or Have Not."

==========================================

And then there's a variation from a generally awful movie "Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid," where a very hot Rachel Ward and Steve Martin are imitating that famous scene --

"If you need me, just call. You know how to dial, don't you? You just put your finger in the hole and make tiny little circles."

[sallydannce]

:iagree: I should have just blown - and I wish I had never paid back my freeloader debt! Blow and ignore any freeloader debt you have.

Ditto!

What a total mind-f*** I got involved in.

"Leaving staff routing form" - LOL! They should use it for toilet paper - it would be more useful. Okay, perhaps a little rough on one's delicate parts but I stand by "more useful".

If anyone reading this is thinking of leaving staff, for God's sake just walk out the door and get on with life. And don't pay back your freeloader debt. It's just another income source for scientology. You gave your blood sweat and tears. You don't have to pay twice.

[Tim Skog]

I blew and it worked out just fine. There were a couple of attempts by the group to contact me but I refused to communicate. I pulled the plug and "disconnected."

So if you are staff and are lurking and are thinking about leaving the Church, put yourself "at cause" and leave, instead of putting yourself "at effect" and routing out.

And if you are public, just leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Strike a "blow" for freedom!:D

[Zinjifar]

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Zinjifar/blow02.gif

Zinj

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

The way out is the way out. :p

Lynn

[HappyGirl]

"Leaving staff routing form" - LOL! They should use it for toilet paper - it would be more useful. Okay, perhaps a little rough on one's delicate parts but I stand by "more useful".
Maybe washing windows? :D

Strike a "blow" for freedom!:D

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc197/Zinjifar/blow02.gif

The way out is the way out. :p

Hahahahaha!!! This thread suddenly got hysterical.

[klidov]

Now is the time to grab your black cape and Guy Fawkes mask :guyfawkes: and join "Anonymous" :anon: the party is on the OUTSIDE ! We have cake !!! :cake:
:mudkip: says "Blow!"
:party:


.......and Female Anons are so much hotter, amirite??

:coolwink:

[Telepathetic]

...and-then-I-go-and-BLOW-it-all-by-saying-something-stupid-like...I-love you.


I just love this song and added it just because it has the word "BLOW"in it. Which is the theme here, BLOW!

TP

[Telepathetic]

The way out is the way out. :p

Lynn

:hysterical: Good advice :yes:

TP

[scooter]

There's nothing to be gained by "doing" any sort of routing form - the minute you originate one, you become "an enemy to the group."

You'll then wait and wait - and wait for an auditor (there just don't seem to be so many around these days :whistling: ) and then you'll wait some more.

Then you'll wait for the C/S, the Ethics Officer/MAA, the Chaplain, the ED, etc. etc. etc. :puke2:

But wait! - isn't "wait" at -8 on the "Tone Scale?":confused2:

That's what it's planned to do to you - make you wait.:omg:

YOU are to be put at effect so that THEY can continue to be "cause" - specifically over you, your life, your money, your friends, your family, etc.

I got some promo from Flag yesterday for the "Havingness Rundown" or some such - and the button they were pushing on the front cover was something my wife and I acheived by leaving the Co$!!!!!

Never had a hope of achieving it while "in."

Come on out - it's a lovely playground away from the confines of what you've agreed to.

You don't have to wait too much in the real world - people give you service because they are supposed to.

Not deny it to you because you're just another particle with a case who won't get with the program and be "gung-ho" to the point of sacrificing everything that makes life worthwhile.

Look around you - are the people "in" truly happy and healthy?

[Good twin]

BLOW


695

[smartone]

So many of the stories here include the agony of "routing out properly". The sec checks, the humiliation, the endless waiting, the intimidation and documents to be signed. All with the hope that at some time in the future things will be better and you can clamber back on the Bridge to Total Freedom and all will be well with the world again.

It ain't gonna happen. If you are lurking and reading this board - you are already "out" for all intents and purposes.

So avoid the distress - just blow.

If at some point in the future remnants of the technology can be salvaged in the post Miscavige era, then would be the time to explore that without duress, should you want to.

Personally I don't, but it is an individual choice.

Once you have again tasted real freedom to be, to run, to create, to be a family, to love, to relax, to sleep and eat, to watch a movie, to......(endless possibilities).... you really get a different viewpoint on what life can be in all it's fullness. What we do each and every day with love and gratitude can bring more spiritual gain than we were ever allowed to think.

Just blow baby, blow! :happydance:
There are many people here to help.

Yes, just BLOW! I did. When I made my decision to leave one day I walked out of the org, all smiles. Packed my bags and moved to a beautiful part of the country I've always wanted to live in, have a lovely cottage, changed my cell, gave my new address only to those who I wanted to have it.

I am lucky that I never have had any family members in the church except for a few wierd friends.

I cut ALL communication with those "friends" and anybody I knew who had anything to do with the church.

I love animals and volunteer my time with rescue animals which I never had time for because of the all consuming time on lines and making money for my next step on the Bridge. I have made many new wonderful, kind, caring friends.

What a wonderful bonus having read on this site the confidential clear cognition!! After spending hundreds of hours and many years of CCRDs and still not attesting to Clear, when I saw the clear cognition I thought "Is that it???? I knew that all along for chrissake!!!!" Good to get the validation though that I AM actually Clear (for what it's worth).

I have never been so happy since I blew. I have started a completely new life, am doing what I want to do and have many new friends. I am also much closer to my family seeing as I have much more time to see them too.

I hope this helps anybody who is sitting on the fence. Just do it!!! Just blow!!!

[Danger Turnip]

:mudkip: says "Blow!"


If only mudkip was always this vocal, nobody would get into Scientology in the first place.

...I need to stop playing pokemon.

And now that I think about it, I blew too! They told me I was "out int". I guess forced slave labor has that effect on me.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Suppressive Person Defense League / HCOPL: Penalties for Lower Conditions (http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=851&Itemid=141)

<snip>
LIABILITY -- Suspension of Pay and a dirty grey rag on left arm and day and night confinement to org premises.

TREASON -- Suspension of pay and deprivation of all uniforms and insignia, a black mark on left cheek and confinement on org premises or dismissal from post and debarment from premises.

DOUBT -- Debarment from premises. Not to be employed. Payment of fine amounting to any sum may have cost org. Not to be trained or processed. Not to be communicated or argued with.

ENEMY -- SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.


- L. Ron Hubbard
HCOPL 18 October 1967 Penalties For Lower ConditionsAre you really gonna put up with this crap?

This is (probably) the primary 'implant' that keeps you in Scientology. But take a moment to consider.. It reads like we're in some war with our very lifes at stake.. We aren't! - We are NOT at war conditions where we need to set aside our own freedom of choice! - Treason is not even relevant.. We are NOT at war!

Oh, Hubbard did a lot of 'persuation' that we are indeed at war...

Ok, If we are to accept the 'war condition', then Scientology really is at war with humanity? - Hmm.. Hubbard takes a dim view of any and all human pursuits doesn't he? - WOG pursuits.. All a waste of time at best, but more likely evil, irresponsible, criminal and 'enturbulating'.

Which means, per the above PL, that Scientology is in enemy condition to the Human Race!

Well, with registrars and 'body routers' telling lies and false promises to the marks (raw meat).. We recognise that you can cheat and deprive them of property... So it all fits doesn't it?

Doubt is not even an 'ethics condition'.. Doubt is a sure sign of a working mind! - Think about it..

:yes:

[knn]

There's nothing to be gained by "doing" any sort of routing form - the minute you originate one, you become "an enemy to the group."
You can even become an enemy by letting your 2.5./5 year contract run out.


You'll then wait and wait - and wait for an auditor (there just don't seem to be so many around these days :whistling: ) and then you'll wait some more.
Especially when you are an ot3+ they need to organize an auditor who is at least ot3+, too.


But wait! - isn't "wait" at -8 on the "Tone Scale?"
No, it's on -10 on the Know to Mystery scale. Sex by the way is -6. Thus instead of waiting you should have sex. Thus the term "Blow".

Moreover there is no blowing. There's only exteriorizing out of a reactive org.

[Tiger Lily]

Yes, just BLOW! I did. When I made my decision to leave one day I walked out of the org, all smiles. Packed my bags and moved to a beautiful part of the country I've always wanted to live in, have a lovely cottage, changed my cell, gave my new address only to those who I wanted to have it.

I am lucky that I never have had any family members in the church except for a few wierd friends.

I cut ALL communication with those "friends" and anybody I knew who had anything to do with the church.

I love animals and volunteer my time with rescue animals which I never had time for because of the all consuming time on lines and making money for my next step on the Bridge. I have made many new wonderful, kind, caring friends.

What a wonderful bonus having read on this site the confidential clear cognition!! After spending hundreds of hours and many years of CCRDs and still not attesting to Clear, when I saw the clear cognition I thought "Is that it???? I knew that all along for chrissake!!!!" Good to get the validation though that I AM actually Clear (for what it's worth).

I have never been so happy since I blew. I have started a completely new life, am doing what I want to do and have many new friends. I am also much closer to my family seeing as I have much more time to see them too.

I hope this helps anybody who is sitting on the fence. Just do it!!! Just blow!!!

Way to go Smart One!!!! :thumbsup:

:)TL

[Wisened One]

Yeah!

BLOW!

And there are many people here that you will know and have loved and are waiting for you!

And there's lots of CAKE!

:cake: :thewave: :cake:

[Wisened One]

Yes, just BLOW! I did. When I made my decision to leave one day I walked out of the org, all smiles. Packed my bags and moved to a beautiful part of the country I've always wanted to live in, have a lovely cottage, changed my cell, gave my new address only to those who I wanted to have it.

I am lucky that I never have had any family members in the church except for a few wierd friends.

I cut ALL communication with those "friends" and anybody I knew who had anything to do with the church.

I love animals and volunteer my time with rescue animals which I never had time for because of the all consuming time on lines and making money for my next step on the Bridge. I have made many new wonderful, kind, caring friends.

What a wonderful bonus having read on this site the confidential clear cognition!! After spending hundreds of hours and many years of CCRDs and still not attesting to Clear, when I saw the clear cognition I thought "Is that it???? I knew that all along for chrissake!!!!" Good to get the validation though that I AM actually Clear (for what it's worth).

I have never been so happy since I blew. I have started a completely new life, am doing what I want to do and have many new friends. I am also much closer to my family seeing as I have much more time to see them too.

I hope this helps anybody who is sitting on the fence. Just do it!!! Just blow!!!

Wow, Smartone! :yes::thumbsup:

[Zinjifar]

Dear Smartone; you were obviously overrun on 'Clear'; a common misapplication of the Tech that can be repair audited for only $2,500 in intensives unless it turns out that you have missed withholds on Ron, RTC or CST, in which case it will cost three times as much and most likely result in you being declared an illegal PC (or worse).

Thank you for taking responsibility for the misapplication of the universally applicable Tech and helping us turn as much of society as we can get our mitts on into a monkey-poo hurling contest.

Zinj

[Wisened One]

Bump!

LEAVE you tired, wonderful Staff, SO's and Public!

KEEP your Time, Money, Spirituality to YOURSELVES!

Spend MORE time with your loved ones!

Laugh, DANCE, SLEEP, EAT!. :coolwink:

You will get A LOT MORE MONEY for your hard work and skills OUT HERE, AND you can eat whatever you want to, whenever you want to, AND you can SHOP
and BUY stuff and LOAF!

WHEN is the last time you've been able to sit down, REALLY relax your shoulders, your neck, your mind, and SIGH contentedly, huh?

[cantsay]

You know how they say the only reason anyone ever leaves anything, is because of overts? LRH said that, but he also wrote the CORRECTION/RECOVERY LISTS.

Go have a look in the red vols for the correction/recovery list for auditors, or the one for students. Or any list that refers to someone who doesnt want to be there anymore. A couple of questions are about overts, but there are LOTS that have to do with other, VERY VALID reasons for leaving a group.

Write up your witholds if you want. But if in the end, being part of the group is doing more damage to your dynamics than good, then you need to leave. Remember that if you ever speak out about the Church in future, your OW writeups can be used against you.

Dont do the routing form, it is designed to make you stay. And that is a decision you are capable enough to make without weeks/months of being stuffed around.

[Human Again]

:thumbsup:
Are you really gonna put up with this crap?

This is (probably) the primary 'implant' that keeps you in Scientology. But take a moment to consider.. It reads like we're in some war with our very lifes at stake.. We aren't! - We are NOT at war conditions where we need to set aside our own freedom of choice! - Treason is not even relevant.. We are NOT at war!

Oh, Hubbard did a lot of 'persuation' that we are indeed at war...

Ok, If we are to accept the 'war condition', then Scientology really is at war with humanity? - Hmm.. Hubbard takes a dim view of any and all human pursuits doesn't he? - WOG pursuits.. All a waste of time at best, but more likely evil, irresponsible, criminal and 'enturbulating'.

Which means, per the above PL, that Scientology is in enemy condition to the Human Race!

Well, with registrars and 'body routers' telling lies and false promises to the marks (raw meat).. We recognise that you can cheat and deprive them of property... So it all fits doesn't it?

Doubt is not even an 'ethics condition'.. Doubt is a sure sign of a working mind! - Think about it..

:yes:

[Human Again]

Blow... when your heart is aching

Blow... when your mind is waking

Blow... when you realise life can be worthwhile. ( to the tune of Nat Kin Cole's Smile... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXUYO7NpcEU )



The world is not being saved by Scientology. All that effort, all that "out-exchange" from the orgs - there's no purpose but to fill the purse of the man at the top and YOUR life is worth more than their lies.

[knn]

Dont do the routing form, it is designed to make you stay.
Not only it is designed to prolong your stay, but every terminal on that list can get into trouble by letting you pass.

[DCAnon]

Even if you feel like you're alone or there's no where to go when you blow, there's people who will give you a place to run and a hand. There IS help out here if you need it, just ask. :yes:

[Patricia Curtis]

Adding my voice to the choir.

JUST BLOW . . . please and thank you.

That is all.

[Wisened One]

Dont do the routing form, it is designed to make you stay.

This is true. It's also nothing but a prolonged mental, emotional, spiritual torture device, because everyone in your Org KNOWS you are on it and the EO may not bother hurrying you through it (despite what they say).

The stall is for hoping you will change your mind (at the start of the routing form, everyone becomes super kind to you hoping you'll stay.

Then with each step and closer to the end of the form, your fellows start treating you less kindly).

It's ALL a JOKE. You (and your Wallet) will be EXHAUSTED on every level by the time you are done with it! :yes:


Not only it is designed to prolong your stay, but every terminal on that list can get into trouble by letting you pass.

I believe this is true, as well. :yes:


Even if you feel like you're alone or there's no where to go when you blow, there's people who will give you a place to run and a hand. There IS help out here if you need it, just ask. :yes:

What DCA said! There are people probably in every state and country now to where you could turn to for help out! :yes: :hug:

Michelle

[8-8008]

Some MAA got shot and yelled at. I heard of a guy who blew while on the decks. (He was getting through a sec check I think). Why did they get yelled at ? because he still had his credit cards, his passports.... It was hell for them. They had a meeting with RTC and they got nailed. They had to find him and getting him through and out. I think they found him and got him back. Within few days he was out. I think they did not sleep for a day or two. They had the order to find him.

[Flur]

Please forgive the liberties taken with the great song by Paul Simon, "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover".
:coolwink:

"The problem is all inside your head", she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org
Fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

Ooo slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

She said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways

She said why don't we both just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning you'll begin to see the light
And then she kissed me and I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org
Fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
and get yourself free

Slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much

[ILived1984!]

Just BLOW! I did it and so can you! I was in the Sea Org. I now live life without constant undue duress. (insert picture of me lounging around at a party with my friends drinking some alcholol with a giant grin on my face) :D

I can now own a car. (insert picture of me next to my car with a giant grin giving the thumbs up) :happydance: :thumbsup:

I wake up happy and not stressed out about the bullshit targets that have to be met. (Insert picture of me getting out of bed with a giant cheesy grin and giving the thumbs up) :D

I can see my family and friends as often as I want without worrying about sec checks and approvals. (Insert picture of me with family and friends. We are all sporting giant grins and giving thumbs up.) :D :D :D :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :happydance:

I can wear clothes other than uniforms.

I can go on vacations. I can be healthy and actually enjoy every second of my life without feeling guilty.

Blowing may seem drastic but it's miniscule compared to a life that you can actually and for real mold on your own.

Besides, why go through the humiliation and extreme added time of routing out? Freeloader debt? Just tell the church that you may consider taking that off of the amount of pay they actually owe you.

Get out while you can! People can help you and are willing!

Stop forwarding the twisted plans of Scientology. If the church and SO seem to be wrong things, THEY ARE!! Trust your instincts. :duh: I did and I'm ever so glad I did. :thumbsup:

[Wisened One]

:welcome2: to ESMB, Flur! GREAT post! :thumbsup:


Please forgive the liberties taken with the great song by Paul Simon, "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover".
:coolwink:

"The problem is all inside your head", she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I'd like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

She said it's really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org
Fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

Ooo slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

She said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways

She said why don't we both just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning you'll begin to see the light
And then she kissed me and I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways to leave the Sea Org
Fifty ways to leave the Sea Org

You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
and get yourself free

Slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

Now is the time to grab your black cape and Guy Fawkes mask :guyfawkes: and join "Anonymous" :anon: the party is on the OUTSIDE ! We have cake !!! :cake:
:mudkip: says "Blow!"
:party:

Sorry, most Staff or SO aren't going to join those protests after they are out. Anonymous is not popular with Staff/SO, even if they blow. It's not the right message.

Everyone who goes has their own reason for doing so, and Anon's type of confrontation does not mesh with the harsh individual difficulties that they faced in their time on staff.

It might be the right thing to turn public away, but the 'Anonymous' image will not communicate to Staff/SO members.

I know. :old:

-WMWT

[xseaorguk]

but several people have said that it was the protests that got them thinking and eventually led to them leaving.
I know while I was in the SO, that any signs and protests would have helped me to doubt things I was told in $cn.
Even when I discussed things with my family whilst home at xmas etc I realized that I didnt have mich info to back up my 'beliefs'.

Concerning leaving or routing out of the Org.
I also experienced it taking forever, and I could tell that peoples attitide toward me had changed, I was an 'Enemy' to the group.
It felt horrible.
I sort of realized that it was time to follow my instincts, so I just took my bag one fine day and left.
It didnt take much planning.
I just did it.

[DCAnon]

Sorry, most Staff or SO aren't going to join those protests after they are out. Anonymous is not popular with Staff/SO, even if they blow. It's not the right message.

Everyone who goes has their own reason for doing so, and Anon's type of confrontation does not mesh with the harsh individual difficulties that they faced in their time on staff.

It might be the right thing to turn public away, but the 'Anonymous' image will not communicate to Staff/SO members.

I know. :old:

-WMWT

Psh, who doesn't like cake and dancing parties! :happydance: Don't be old, come and shake your booty!! It actually works, best confront and shatter tech EVAR. For anyone who has ever been threatened or been nervous about OSA, it's on the list of must do things. :yes:

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

but several people have said that it was the protests that got them thinking and eventually led to them leaving. I know that while I was in the SO, that any signs and protests would have helped me to doubt things I was told in $cn.
Even when I discussed things with my family whilst home at xmas etc I realized that I didnt have mich info to back up my 'beliefs'.


Signs that make people think, ok. But the Guy Fawkes masks and the chants never did any good for them.

As a matter of fact, there was a protest going on the same day I was routed out. As I walked out, after I had been dismissed, an Anonymous protester across the street shouted "You're free! Run away!" Little did he know that I really was free then, but it just pissed me off.

It's not easy for somebody when they realize that they're lifelong faith betrayed them. Its a deeply personal thing, and when Anonymous over-exaggerates things like xenu (which most SO members have never heard of, being low on the grade chart) or say things like 'how many more have to die' it doesn't hit upon the real problems and difficulties they have.

Where Scientologists are pinned down is the suttle control that makes them stay and follow the rules, and to ignore things that don't make sense.

I'm not going to go into it any further, but when it comes to convincing someone to leave, an appeal to common sense, in an understanding way is what is needed. And leaving is the start of healing from these things. It's not a party.

[auntpat]

I walked away from Scn in 1973 and have had no contact with it for years until recently finding this site. I am horrified at what is being done and how terrible it has become. It is becoming worse not better so get out now any way you can.

[Blue Spirit]

"Wiseman of the Watchtower" I agree with your post and would not join a
protest with XENU signs as it is unreal and just sensationalism that doesn't
communicate. Better would be a sign that gives the Ex-Sea Org group's phone number, although the way they close up shop for the Anonymous protests few if any would see them.
LRH says that one of the oldest tricks in the universe is to tell someone it is not safe to look over there. If more knew that maybe they would go to the library on their time off to look at the internet !

Sad to say, if I had looked at that myself, I'd have been out by 1985, saving tons of money and heartaches !

[Markus]

We have a running joke here in southern Germany (Schwaben) - it goes like this:

"Kommet se rei - kennat se raus schaua"
"Kommet se raus kennat se nei schaua" :yes:

means:
"Come in and you can look out"
"Go out and you can look inside"

Well if you are still in just blow and look at it free :happydance: and from the outside.

Markus

[Voltaire's Child]

FTS has hit the nail on the head with the opening post, that's for sure. In so many ways! :)