Stress Test Table - Gone in 60 seconds!

[Patricia Curtis]

Yesterday on Hollywood Blvd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3W3uI4YWTA

:giggle:

[EP - Ethics Particle]

That was bloody FAST! :yes: :omg: :clap: :thumbsup: EP

[Wisened One]

:laugh: :clap: LOVE it! They (Anon) just smoothly walk in and 'clears' the space! :laugh:

Btw: That girl has pretty hair! :yes:

Another good name for the vid:

The 60-second Clear. :giggle:

[rich]

You guys look fabulous!

[Iknowtoomuch]

:hysterical:

The truth hurts.

[Zinjifar]

dissem too stressful

Zinj

[AnonOrange]

Damn, she beat me !

60 seconds will be difficult to beat. I figure with Graham Berry, Mark Bunker, The Pope and SciSpeedo man, we can shave another 10 seconds off that time !

[AnonOrange]

BTW, in the WWP post, Lissa is looking mighty fine, about the best I've ever seen her, but I notice a ring on her finger. Did she get engaged or re-marry ? SHE WAS MINE ! MINE !

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/RonRules/Misc/IMG_4490.jpg

Not only she hates me, but she's been told that I'm actually crazy.

So, I've got my work cut out for me: Probably married, in a cult, hates me and thinks I'm crazy.

I would be so proud though.

C'mon Lissa, I'll stop buggin DCAnon if you come to me !

[therealme]

That video is awesome! :thumbsup:

[Lucretia]

Great video!!! Keep up the good fight!!

In a corner of my mind though, I can't help feeling a bit sorry for the $cns. There, but for the grace of whatever spark of sense I had left, go I. Did you notice the very controlled way the bloke took down the table? He's trying to save the universe in the face of oohhh... really nasty SP's making a fuss around his trading table. I bet they've all got colds inside that Org.

But, the protesting needs to be done. The more people prised out the better. Go you guys!!!

[Lohan2008]

Comeon AnonOrange !
You can't let that 60 Seconds stand !!!
Show ESMB how it is done !

[Opter]

Just great!:cheerleader: :happydance: :yes: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader:

Opter

[Free to shine]

Brilliant RIF! Way to go girl! :happydance:

[Patricia Curtis]

In a corner of my mind though, I can't help feeling a bit sorry for the $cns.

Lucretia, I can speak for myself and I'mGlib...we *definitely* feel sorry for them. Both of us scour this board looking for tips about things to say or do that might actually pierce through the veil. So far we've had very little success at getting through to anyone, but we haven't given up.

I don't mean to derail my own thread, but here's a video from our last Global in Tustin (April 18th) where we're trying to talk to Marie Murillo, the directer of the Orange County Org. I have to narrate most of it because the camera wasn't close enough to catch the conversation, but it's not hard to see what's going on just by watching Marie. We may be talkin', but she sure wasn't listenin'!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7EV4P6Y3Wo

Thanks for your comments, everyone! :heartbeat:

[Zinjifar]

Thanks for the good work!

and, I'm impressed that you managed it without wearing t-shirts with your names printed on them :)

Zinj

[Iknowtoomuch]

Ask them where all the books are that are supposed to be in the libraries.:D

[AnonOrange]

and, I'm impressed that you managed it without wearing t-shirts with your names printed on them :)


You want a piece of me ? !!

[parrotnutz]

Resistance is a lovely lady...both inside and out!

[parrotnutz]

BTW, in the WWP post, Lissa is looking mighty fine, about the best I've ever seen her, but I notice a ring on her finger. Did she get engaged or re-marry ? SHE WAS MINE ! MINE !

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj80/RonRules/Misc/IMG_4490.jpg

Not only she hates me, but she's been told that I'm actually crazy.

So, I've got my work cut out for me: Probably married, in a cult, hates me and thinks I'm crazy.

I would be so proud though.

C'mon Lissa, I'll stop buggin DCAnon if you come to me !
Oh, please Orange, do you really want that kind of baggage?

[Zinjifar]

You want a piece of me ? !!

I think I can survive without it :) But, have you ever noticed the irony involved in someone calling himself 'anonorange' and wearing a T-shirt with the name printed on it?

Shouldn't it be 'AttentionWhoreOrange'?

As far as I know the 'anon' theory was about *not* being a facefag

Zinj

[AnonOrange]

I think I can survive without it :) But, have you ever noticed the irony involved in someone calling himself 'anonorange' and wearing a T-shirt with the name printed on it?

Shouldn't it be 'AttentionWhoreOrange'?

As far as I know the 'anon' theory was about *not* being a facefag

Zinj

Not really. Anons routinely give out their "anon" names, but remain anonymous. I tried for as long as I could to remain anonymous.

I do wear the shirt as much as possible to piss off certain people, but that's another story.

[Zinjifar]

So, since you're not welcome on anon boards, you hang out here where people unaware of the 'office politics' of anon let you get away with taking credit for everything anon does :)

While at the same time attempting to make ESMB look like a 'scientific' refutal of not only Scientology but anything but the most mind-numbingly blindered absolutist materialism.

Sorry AO; I find you irritating. Worse, I think you're a net liability, because you have an agenda and it's only minimally involved with stopping scientology.

Every time I hear you say 'I'm off to chat with Stone...' I cringe, knowing that, if not this time, eventually you will say or do something that the 'Church' will be able to smear all its enemies with.

I don't doubt that you have done some good. I don't doubt that you *think* you're doing good. I don't doubt your 'enthusiasm' and I don't think enthusiasm is *bad*.

I do think that everything that *can* be done shouldn't necessarily be done. And, I think you know a hell of a lot less about Scientology than you do.

It's bad enough that you spend your time trying to take credit for what other people do, but, it's worse that you are so infatuated with your own 'celebrity' that you will inevitably make people who are doing things *without* waving flags with their names on them look bad too.

Just my opinion.
No insult intended :)

Zinj

[Patricia Curtis]

Um, oh hi guise. Any chance we can turn this thread back around to its original topic?

[Zinjifar]

Um, oh hi guise. Any chance we can turn this thread back around to its original topic?

It was a neat video :) And, it demonstrated well that, at least one 'handling' method used by Scientology is to 'go hide'.

Was there more to say about it?

Zinj

[Patricia Curtis]

Was there more to say about it?

Not necessarily. That was just my feeble attempt to save this little thread from being eaten up by a movie I've already seen several times.

[KnightVision]

So, since you're not welcome on anon boards, you hang out here where people unaware of the 'office politics' of anon let you get away with taking credit for everything anon does :)

While at the same time attempting to make ESMB look like a 'scientific' refutal of not only Scientology but anything but the most mind-numbingly blindered absolutist materialism.

Sorry AO; I find you irritating. Worse, I think you're a net liability, because you have an agenda and it's only minimally involved with stopping scientology.

Every time I hear you say 'I'm off to chat with Stone...' I cringe, knowing that, if not this time, eventually you will say or do something that the 'Church' will be able to smear all its enemies with.

I don't doubt that you have done some good. I don't doubt that you *think* you're doing good. I don't doubt your 'enthusiasm' and I don't think enthusiasm is *bad*.

I do think that everything that *can* be done shouldn't necessarily be done. And, I think you know a hell of a lot less about Scientology than you do.

It's bad enough that you spend your time trying to take credit for what other people do, but, it's worse that you are so infatuated with your own 'celebrity' that you will inevitably make people who are doing things *without* waving flags with their names on them look bad too.

Just my opinion.
No insult intended :)

Zinj

Well, I never thought the day would come when Zinj would offer up a *Scilon Type* statement like that... What the hell has crawled up your asshole?

Insult the shit out of a guy and then say it was not intented?

WTF?

[KnightVision]

Not necessarily. That was just my feeble attempt to save this little thread from being eaten up by a movie I've already seen several times.

Hi RIF!

Nice work. What you do is a blessing. God Bless.

[Lucretia]

Lucretia, I can speak for myself and I'mGlib...we *definitely* feel sorry for them. Both of us scour this board looking for tips about things to say or do that might actually pierce through the veil. So far we've had very little success at getting through to anyone, but we haven't given up.


Yes, trying to get through the veil is a conundrum. You can see who you're talking to but but they can't see you. When I was still in $cn I had a couple of people trying to convince me that the cult wasn't all it was cracked up to be. As soon as they started saying "entheta" things about $cn, my shutters went up, the dogma kicked in and I was convinced that if they weren't red hot SP's, then they had so many overts that whatever they said was just a motivator for their crimes. How well sewn up is the tech? Brilliant - absolutely. I mean, I had been disaffected for years before this, and these well meaning people still didn't have a chance.

The thing that sprung me out was a fellow "ot", who I have a great deal of respect for, telling that he thought the ot levels were a con. Daylight entered. But I think it's different for everyone. And what you are doing is great - just keep on trying to get the truth heard. It will penetrate eventually, little by little until it eventually gels. I am consumed with frustration that I can't do the same - close family is still in. I would love to picket our org........

Good on you.

[Wisened One]

Lucretia, I can speak for myself and I'mGlib...we *definitely* feel sorry for them. Both of us scour this board looking for tips about things to say or do that might actually pierce through the veil....

:hug: Resistance is Futiile and Anon. You and Us Exes have the same goal, there! :sadsigh:


Yes, trying to get through the veil is a conundrum. You can see who you're talking to but but they can't see you. When I was still in $cn I had a couple of people trying to convince me that the cult wasn't all it was cracked up to be. As soon as they started saying "entheta" things about $cn, my shutters went up, the dogma kicked in and I was convinced that if they weren't red hot SP's, then they had so many overts that whatever they said was just a motivator for their crimes.

LOVE the way you've articulated that. Lucretia! :clap: Sooooo TRUE! I'll never forget when we were selling books at the local Flea Market, how this very intelligent young man who was operating a booth, after I'd unsuccessfully tried to sell him a Dn book, he explained in detail and in simple terms how scn takes the new person in and proceeds to dismantle 'what they already know/learned from life' then replaces it with scn's 'tech'. He sorta gave a reverse (non-scn) explanation of 8-8008. It actually floored me at the time and I could say nothing back to him. I just walked away and told Dean (who was my Snr at the time and there selling books too). He just chuckled and said something like well, that's what 'they' think, 'they' just don't know what scn REALLY is. :eyeroll: :duh: I agreed and went on. But I never forgot that young man's explanation, even tho I stayed on Staff for a few more years...but HE DID poke a hole of daylight thru my wall, even then. :yes:





How well sewn up is the tech? Brilliant - absolutely. I mean, I had been disaffected for years before this, and these well meaning people still didn't have a chance.

Another well-said part! 'How well-sewn up is the tech?'
Seems to me, pretty tightly till the OT levels when it then hits them perhaps...or after something breaks the overworked-underfed-sleep-deprived Staff/SO!




The thing that sprung me out was a fellow "ot", who I have a great deal of respect for, telling that he thought the ot levels were a con. Daylight entered. But I think it's different for everyone. And what you are doing is great - just keep on trying to get the truth heard. It will penetrate eventually, little by little until it eventually gels. I am consumed with frustration that I can't do the same - close family is still in. I would love to picket our org........Good on you.

And therein lies one of the ways....someone the scn trusted, respected speaks out and plants that seed, gets them thinking...:think: :thumbsup:

Unfortunately, even then, the scn will justify that 'well that person has run into Case, MU's, O/W's or all three', blablablaaaa! :sadsigh: :no: :grouch:

But I too am NOT gonna give up! :nope: I'm gonna remain steadfast with others in dismantling this sham, this con! :handinhand:

[Telepathetic]

Great video and way to go on your record setting shut down! In Scilon speak this would be called,"effortless competance!:thumbsup:

TP

[Lucretia]

I'll never forget when we were selling books at the local Flea Market, how this very intelligent young man who was operating a booth, after I'd unsuccessfully tried to sell him a Dn book, he explained in detail and in simple terms how scn takes the new person in and proceeds to dismantle 'what they already know/learned from life' then replaces it with scn's 'tech'. He sorta gave a reverse (non-scn) explanation of 8-8008. It actually floored me at the time and I could say nothing back to him.


I really think this is the key. Maybe you won't be present at the collapse of the construct, but every little piece of truth will sit there, in the $cns mind, just waiting to undermine the totality of the brainwash.

I have been out for two years now, and I am still overjoyed at my escape. Overjoyed!!! I can't begin to say!!

[Lucretia]

I have been out for two years now, and I am still overjoyed at my escape. Overjoyed!!! I can't begin to say!!

I have been thinking - no win in $cn ever lasted this long!

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

I really think this is the key. Maybe you won't be present at the collapse of the construct, but every little piece of truth will sit there, in the $cns mind, just waiting to undermine the totality of the brainwash.

I have been out for two years now, and I am still overjoyed at my escape. Overjoyed!!! I can't begin to say!!

Yes! Yes! Yes! :happydance:

Despite all the fairgaming, it's a thousand times better than being In.

Lynn

[Opter]

Lucretia

I know exactly how you feel.:yes:

I've been for over 5 years and I still "bless" the day I left.:happydance:

Opter

[Carmel]

Lucretia, I can speak for myself and I'mGlib...we *definitely* feel sorry for them. Both of us scour this board looking for tips about things to say or do that might actually pierce through the veil. So far we've had very little success at getting through to anyone, but we haven't given up.
<snip>

What you're doing out there is appreciated by many and is certainly making a difference - good on you for all that ya do! :thumbsup:

In regard to tips on piercing through the veil of the staff or scios you encounter, it's a tough one for sure, but at times when you're directing your protest to them (as opposed to non-scio public), then I reckon there is something ya 'can' do to make your impingement on them more effective.

Rather than knock their 'beliefs' (like Xenu, BT's etc - which will probably result in rejection of anything and everything you're saying), use their 'beliefs' to get them to start looking and questioning.

For example (and just as an 'example') the following violates the tenets that they themselves are promoting:

- Scn preaches about freedom of thought, but it's staff and followers are being told what to think.

- Scn preaches about freedom of speech, yet their staff and followers are denied it.

- The Church of Scn professes to be an advocate of human rights, yet it's full time crew are denied the most basic of human rights.

- Sea Org members are denied routine and necessary health care.

- Scn staff and sea org are deprived of sleep. They are forced to work when they should be sleeping.

- Scn staff are deprived of annual leave, and any and all of the comforts of life.

- Full time Scn staff in scn's Sea Org are not allowed children, and if they become pregnant, they are forced to have abortions."

- The Church of Scn enforces their staff and followers to dis-connect from family members, if those family members are not in favour with the church.

- Scn followers are pressured very heavily to donate more than they can afford.

- Scn is not expanding yet the church lies to its staff and public, and tells them that it is.

- Scn promotes freedom, yet the church denies freedom to its staff and followers.

- Scn staff and followers are dominated by a suppressive regime, which they are not free to question.

etc, etc, etc.

I don't believe ya can get scios to open their eyes to the real scoop with scn, by mocking or attacking their beliefs. I think though, that putting their attention on the abuses by their church and/or mgt (which they themselves cop), can and does start the process for them.

Anyways, the above is just a suggestion. Whatever way ya tackle it, you're having an impingement on several fronts, and that's all good! - thanks! :)

[Tiger Lily]

I don't believe ya can get scios to open their eyes to the real scoop with scn, by mocking or attacking their beliefs. I think though, that putting their attention on the abuses by their church and/or mgt (which they themselves cop), can and does start the process for them.

Anyways, the above is just a suggestion. Whatever way ya tackle it, you're having an impingement on several fronts, and that's all good! - thanks! :)


Great post Carmel! :thumbsup:
-TL

[Carnivale]

Not really. Anons routinely give out their "anon" names, but remain anonymous. I tried for as long as I could to remain anonymous.

I do wear the shirt as much as possible to piss off certain people, but that's another story.

AO, most anons in SoCal have received C & D letters from the cult lawyers and many have been "face-fagged".
Most still cover their faces. And most do not yell out their nicks anywhere near the handlers at protests. You could have remained "anonymous" long after your C & D arrived. It was a personal choice. Just acknowledge that and move on. Wearing a shirt just to piss off other critics seems a bit counter productive


As far as the stress test raid, that was so fast! The stress test table outside of the testing center by HGB was the only visible sign I saw that day on Hollywood of scientologists trying to interact with the public. (I drove by after leaving UCLA, and saw you guys in front of HGB. Quite a surprise!) Long sign was closed and the Volunteer Minister tents were not out. There were some scientologists at the UCLA Festival of Books (They had 3 booths), but they were mainly people not seen by most protesters before.
That weekend had wonderful weather, yet no one by Longsign, which had so much foot traffic.
You would think the world's fastest growing religion could spare a few people man the tables.

[AnonOrange]

I really think this is the key. Maybe you won't be present at the collapse of the construct, but every little piece of truth will sit there, in the $cns mind, just waiting to undermine the totality of the brainwash.

I have been out for two years now, and I am still overjoyed at my escape. Overjoyed!!! I can't begin to say!!


I'm particularly impressed at YOUR courage. Pope and I went by your hair salon a couple of nights ago during a flash raid. (It's a block west of Big Blue on fountain for those of you who don't know).

We saw the Xenu.net in the window. We were impressed and did a little film.

May I suggest that all Anons, OG's and ExSci in the area go get your hair done there. I presume you're open on Saturdays, and I'll go get my hair cut before the next raid at Big Blue !

[Wisened One]

What you're doing out there is appreciated by many and is certainly making a difference - good on you for all that ya do! :thumbsup:

In regard to tips on piercing through the veil of the staff or scios you encounter, it's a tough one for sure, but at times when you're directing your protest to them (as opposed to non-scio public), then I reckon there is something ya 'can' do to make your impingement on them more effective.

Rather than knock their 'beliefs' (like Xenu, BT's etc - which will probably result in rejection of anything and everything you're saying), use their 'beliefs' to get them to start looking and questioning.

For example (and just as an 'example') the following violates the tenets that they themselves are promoting:

- Scn preaches about freedom of thought, but it's staff and followers are being told what to think.

- Scn preaches about freedom of speech, yet their staff and followers are denied it.

- The Church of Scn professes to be an advocate of human rights, yet it's full time crew are denied the most basic of human rights.

- Sea Org members are denied routine and necessary health care.

- Scn staff and sea org are deprived of sleep. They are forced to work when they should be sleeping.

- Scn staff are deprived of annual leave, and any and all of the comforts of life.

- Full time Scn staff in scn's Sea Org are not allowed children, and if they become pregnant, they are forced to have abortions."

- The Church of Scn enforces their staff and followers to dis-connect from family members, if those family members are not in favour with the church.

- Scn followers are pressured very heavily to donate more than they can afford.

- Scn is not expanding yet the church lies to its staff and public, and tells them that it is.

- Scn promotes freedom, yet the church denies freedom to its staff and followers.

- Scn staff and followers are dominated by a suppressive regime, which they are not free to question.

etc, etc, etc.

I don't believe ya can get scios to open their eyes to the real scoop with scn, by mocking or attacking their beliefs. I think though, that putting their attention on the abuses by their church and/or mgt (which they themselves cop), can and does start the process for them.

Anyways, the above is just a suggestion. Whatever way ya tackle it, you're having an impingement on several fronts, and that's all good! - thanks! :)

:goodposting: And I agree! (especially with the part I bolded).

[Patricia Curtis]

Carmel, thanks for the great post. I've been mulling it for the past couple of days. I too agree that mocking or attacking their beliefs is not going to penetrate the veil (although I'm guilty of a little of that when protesting on the public awareness side). In my experience, whenever mocking and attacking methods are used on Scientologists it only serves to validate the image of the wog world they have been indoctrinated to believe. It is completely counter productive to portray the very image of an SP to them, IMO. I would rather they be 'surprised' that wogs can be intelligent and compassionate and willing to work with them. Every person is entitled to participate in the movement in their own unique way, and my way is as a peaceful and non-combative advocate for the abused. An activist versus a critic or Anonymous. I appreciate the bulletpoints you provided to that end and will definitely be working some of your ideas into my protest style.

[AnonOrange]

Nobody like to be ridiculed and laughed at. The more we do it, the more frustrated they become, the more they doubt, the more they screw up, the more they get sec checked, the more they get abused by the cult, the more they are likely to blow.

I see a radical change in their behavior during the last 12 months. They used to bullbait us, now they stay silent or hide.
Would have they changed their behavior if we just stood there smiling and trying to calmly talk to them? No, Anonymous has caused them fear and has caused doubt in their minds. They know they're on the losing side.

Ada Lovelace centuries ago said: "Well behaved women rarely make history". The same goes for protests. The recent anti-scientology protest in Russia is how I think it should be done.

I appreciate what everybody else is doing and you may be more right than I am. We need different methods, randomness, love, shock, humor, dialogue and enturbulation.

The idea is to break their cognitive dissonance wall as I have been told by a prominent psychologist. What works for one person may not work for someone else. You could spend years talking to Muriel and you won't get anywhere. Throw her in jail for 3 months and that may work. You need a pretty sharp jolt to do break the cognitive dissonance wall. It took 20 punches in the face for BFG to realize what was going on. Of course, I don't advocate any of that; all we have is speech. Let's make use of it, with all the different ways we have.

I have a feeling the John Travolta is going through that right now. Look at his latest pictures and isolation trips to Argentina and Fiji. He should be at Gold Base if he believed in the cult. He's had a sharp blow to the mental barrier that separates the common sense with the nonsense due to the death of his son. That event was of course very unfortunate, but I really think that will cause him to blow shortly. I give him about 3 months and we'll get an announcement.

Whatever works. I use funny costumes.