LRH Now

[La La Lou Lou]

I just wondered....

Has anyone heard from Ron since he's been busy working on the upper Goaty levels?

If so how?

If not, why not? surely he didnt just die after all.:buzzin:





La La Lou Lou

[JustanotherEX]

Why yes, I just heard from dear old Ron!

Oh.... wait a sec.... That smells bad....

Just a bit of flatulence I'm afraid. Sorry to get your hopes up.

(Sorry, it's a subject I can't treat seriously. Apologies to the true believers roaming the board.)

[La La Lou Lou]

No need for an appology, Justin, it was probably me, that lentil biriyani I made yesterday!

You don't think he's abandoned us do you, he might be busy on mars closing down the implant stations. Or starting some up, implant everyone to get into scientology next time round. That'd work. Hope he doesnt read this this!





La la

[uniquemand]

Virginia and Mike McClaughrey have heard from Ron. They are, according their own pronouncement, his current mouthpieces on Earth. I think this makes them Popes of Scientology.

Ewige! Blumenkraft!

[NeXTep]

Well the best way to ruin your life if you're born after 1986 would be to tell around and provide some evidence that you have been LRH. :omg:

If that entity came back already then my guess is, that he has buried that past life identity deep in his unconscious mind and will definitely not try to get near any Scientology activity.

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Virginia and Mike McClaughrey have heard from Ron.
I googled "Mike McClaughrey" and found ex GO/OSA.
Do you have a better link on this or was this just a joke :duh:
which I didn't get? :bigcry:

[Zinjifar]

I googled "Mike McClaughrey" and found ex GO/OSA.
Do you have a better link on this or was this just a joke :duh:
which I didn't get? :bigcry:

it's no joke. Although, it does involve a bunch of Freezone drama. Mike is convinced he's channeling Ron and Virginia is his prophet. Last bit I'd heard was when Ron helped Virginia get a bargain price on a used piano.

Apparently they 'took over' some freezone sites/organizations and threw everybody out. David somebody or other is convinced that he's a turncoat Marcabian and was their right hand man. Lots of amusement on ARS/ACT at the time, but, this is years ago now.

Zinj

[La La Lou Lou]

OMG, Im now worried that Wrong Cubbard's now my body thetan!

No that can't be, he's in the clouds, writing up the procedure for OT96.

Must find these scottish people channeling Wrong's latest orders.







La La La La

[uniquemand]

I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for, but this might help. Hey, our very own fluffernutter is even quoted!

http://gathering-minds.net/intelligence/fallingintoagreement

[La La Lou Lou]

Interesting fluff.

There seem to have been a couple of nutters on the loose in the freezone.

Still wonder if DM doesnt go all blank around the eyes and start talking like a an older american man with a deep voice that rattles the microphones.

The absense of a mainstream church sighting of him is interesting though. Its an admission that it was bollocks, or that the geezers's just plain dead. Which would mean that it was just bollocks. Big ginger, hairy, tooth marked, bollocks.





La La

[Terril park]

I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for, but this might help. Hey, our very own fluffernutter is even quoted!

http://gathering-minds.net/intelligence/fallingintoagreement

Mike did a series of interviews with Stacey brooks, stating among other things that he tried to put LSD on the toothbrush of a speaker at a psychology convention. He actually put it on the toothbrush of his pregnant
wife! This link below I believe gives these videos


http://www.xenutv.com/mike/

[La La Lou Lou]

Did he ever sign a sea org contract?

If he did he's had more than a 21 year leave of absence!

Bleedin dilletante!:dieslaughing:








La La Lou Lou RPF (failed)

[uniquemand]

Mike did a series of interviews with Stacey brooks, stating among other things that he tried to put LSD on the toothbrush of a speaker at a psychology convention. He actually put it on the toothbrush of his pregnant
wife! This link below I believe gives these videos


http://www.xenutv.com/mike/

Yes, Terril, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he claimed he had been channeling LRH and he and Virginia had gotten a good deal on a piano because of it. (LRH really is the best friend of mankind!)

[uniquemand]

Did he ever sign a sea org contract?

If he did he's had more than a 21 year leave of absence!

Bleedin dilletante!:dieslaughing:


La La Lou Lou RPF (failed)

Or HAS he! Hubbard returned as Revenius! (http://www.freezoneamerica.org/LRH2/OTCOB%2020042000.html)

[La La Lou Lou]

Maybe not, but it's funny!

What was that thing about thetans and making it go right!:no:

[La La Lou Lou]

Revienimus?

Could you imagine him, even with a new body accepting the kind of crap you get in the SO, from anyone?

[uniquemand]

Revienimus?

Could you imagine him, even with a new body accepting the kind of crap you get in the SO, from anyone?

He's the Founder. He wouldn't tolerate it. Anyway, he doesn't want to.

http://www.freezoneamerica.org/LRH2/Revenimus.txt

[Dulloldfart]

Revienimus?

Could you imagine him, even with a new body accepting the kind of crap you get in the SO, from anyone?

Reveni(m)us is Ralph. No secret.

Paul

[uniquemand]

Revenius is Ralph. No secret.

Paul

Oh, thanks Paul, ruin my game why don't'cha.

[La La Lou Lou]

Interresting link Uniquemand, appolologies for not believing a word of it.


Who's Ralf?

[JustanotherEX]

No need for an appology, Justin, it was probably me, that lentil biriyani I made yesterday!

You don't think he's abandoned us do you, he might be busy on mars closing down the implant stations. Or starting some up, implant everyone to get into scientology next time round. That'd work. Hope he doesnt read this this!





La la

I'm thinking that the most productive result that may come from this thread could be the recipe for that biryani.

Feel like sharing???

I love indian food!

[uniquemand]

Interresting link Uniquemand, appolologies for not believing a word of it.


Who's Ralf?

Ralph Hilton. Freezone International. Good guy. Straight shooter. This was his idea of a practical joke.

[La La Lou Lou]

Thanks Uniquemand.

Sorry the reciepe is stricly guarded secret, in fact I couldnt even remember what I put in it. Lentils, bastmathi rice, scotch bonnet chile, garlic, onions, and stuff. Served up with red onions thinly sliced, tomates thinly sliced, spring onions sliced, pink rose petals shredded, and lemon juice freshly squeezed. Oh and a packet of Biryani mix from the subcontinent itself. Oh and served with curried spinach....mmmmmmm!:thumbsup:

To think I spent years hating beans and rice, only to discover how good they really are!


La la

[Dulloldfart]

Here are some ideas based on Dr. Michael Newton's Life-Between-Lives research. Remember Newton's reports are mainly the commonalities found in his deep hypnosis regression of 7,000 people over decades. They are not about his personal wondering and conjecture on how things might be based on his self-auditing or drug trips.

When a soul comes to Earth for a lifetime he joins up with a body, a sort of partnership. One soul, one body. It takes months, years, for the soul to integrate with the body so it can operate the body properly. The idea of another soul just grabbing one and taking it over is absurd. The body has its own life and consciousness, but at a more basic level than the eternal soul. This is not the same as Hubbard's GE concept. The eternal soul has split its energy — part of it always stays in the spirit world, what percentage depending on the individual pre-life plan this time. There is communication possible from one to the other, although no permanent further transfer of energy is possible. If you brought down too much of your soul energy or not enough, tough, you're stuck with that decision for this entire life.

The linear time between lives, as would be measured from someone on Earth with a calendar, is several years. The time is used for straightening oneself out, but with a lot of help from specialized others in the spirit world. This LBL time and activity is highly structured, not the sort of hazy limbo that one might imagine. In other words:

1. The being that we knew as Hubbard is accessible to anyone who can reach him in the spirit world, even if he has reincarnated. This is how come when one dies one can still meet up with one's eternal primary soulmate, even if that being is still inhabiting the body of the recently-bereaved widow(er). The discarnate spirit-world part would be far more accessible than the reincarnated part, which would be very much involved with the far noisier life on Earth.

2. The eternal soul in the spirit world has long-term memory available. When the split part of the eternal soul has reincarnated for the next life, there is a self-imposed amnesia block that operates to a large extent shortly after birth. It's not a complete block, as those who have experienced past life activities with some degree of certainty will know. But the Hubbard-soul, if he's in another body, isn't likely to have a good recall of his prior life.

3. The Hubbard-soul is subject to the same spirit-world rules as the rest of us. Whatever his positive qualities, that he isn't a highly-advanced soul is obvious from the shenanigans he got up to in trying to blast his name into history. Karma applies. If he's back, he will be living a life designed to learn valuable lessons from his last effort. This will be with his understanding and agreement, so if he is currently a crippled beggar in Mumbai (say), this would be by his decision and not something handed down as a punishment.

So it is not impossible that the Hubbard-soul has been in communication with people on Earth, and may be right now. Unfortunately — as I would hate to in some way validate and encourage some of the nuts who make such claims. :)

Paul

P.S. I'm copying this post into the LBL thread.

[Dulloldfart]

This was his idea of a practical joke.

Not necessarily. The tech he wrote here seems useful. Have you tried auditing any of it? I have.

Paul

[JustanotherEX]

Thanks Uniquemand.

Sorry the reciepe is stricly guarded secret, in fact I couldnt even remember what I put in it. Lentils, bastmathi rice, scotch bonnet chile, garlic, onions, and stuff. Served up with red onions thinly sliced, tomates thinly sliced, spring onions sliced, pink rose petals shredded, and lemon juice freshly squeezed. Oh and a packet of Biryani mix from the subcontinent itself. Oh and served with curried spinach....mmmmmmm!:thumbsup:

To think I spent years hating beans and rice, only to discover how good they really are!


La la

The description is so beautiful that it literally brings tears to me eyes! Naturally, I will be making something quite similar in the next day or so. I thank you kindly for the inspiration!

@ Paul: Interesting reading, that. Makes as much sense as the space opera anyway. My complimants on an interesting find.

[Terril park]

Yes, Terril, but that has nothing to do with the fact that he claimed he had been channeling LRH and he and Virginia had gotten a good deal on a piano because of it. (LRH really is the best friend of mankind!)

Just telling people a good link.

I knew Mike and Virginia very well re the net. Was me who taunted her with her explanation that a forum going from 123 down to 17 was a plus stat.

She said something like less marcabians was upstat or something like that.

Then her and Hubby watched space battles from their back porch.

To cap it all she claimed they were the only two " standard tech" auditors
on the planet. Efforts to persuade them to audit were considered 'enemy line"
as it prevented the world knowing about pianos, or space battles or....?
Whatever.

She made a covert effort to Out me back when I was anon and only she knew my real name. Jontu was her sidekick. Below from ARS:-


==============
Cerridwen
More options Jan 22 2002, 9:53 pm



Re: DANGER and threats from FZA and McClaurghys

Dear BB,

I am very sorry that Virginia did this to you. I hope you and your
family will be safe from any OSA reprisals.

Cerridwen

"basicbasic" <basicba...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:4f47a78c.0201221129.424279db@posting.google.c om...

- Show quoted text -

news:3c49f315@news2.lightlink.com...
> > Jontu,

> > A little more humor...

> > I clicked the wrong thing, and ended up here...

> > VICTORIAN LADIES' BOWLING ASSOCIATION
> > FISH CREEK INC. 5683 2283
> > Terril Park, Fish Creek.
> > S: Maudi Thomson, 12 Old Waratah Rd, Fish Creek

3959. 5683
> > 2484
> > P: Margaret Karge, Promontory Rd, Yanakie

3960. 5687
> > 1327

> > Struck me as funny, like Fish bowling anyone?

> > The concept of bowling for fish made for an interesting mockup.

> > LOL

> > Virginia

[Fancy]

Now Zinj you had to remind me how stupid I was when I found the freezone. That happened after I was accused of being a marcab spy myself. :eyeroll:

Barb


it's no joke. Although, it does involve a bunch of Freezone drama. Mike is convinced he's channeling Ron and Virginia is his prophet. Last bit I'd heard was when Ron helped Virginia get a bargain price on a used piano.

Apparently they 'took over' some freezone sites/organizations and threw everybody out. David somebody or other is convinced that he's a turncoat Marcabian and was their right hand man. Lots of amusement on ARS/ACT at the time, but, this is years ago now.

Zinj

[flashgordon]

I just wondered....

Has anyone heard from Ron since he's been busy working on the upper Goaty levels?

If so how?

If not, why not? surely he didnt just die after all.:buzzin:
La La Lou Lou

A body dies, a beingness dies, but the being themselves, no. It's impossible. This truth is something we all should be happy about. Remember, that doesn't mean you can't go to a lower level in this universe.

[La La Lou Lou]

Sorry, Flash, but that a being dies is not impossible, you dont believe it, and you wont believe it, but per definition it is possible.

Even as a toddler I believed in past lives. It doesnt mean theyre true.

Some people believe that there are three gods in one, others only one, others in whole Panthenons, and some in none. Belief is just that, belief. You have a right to believe in what you want.

Tebetan budhists find kids who they belive are reincarnated monks, they train them back up to level they belive they left. It is still belief, not scientifically proven fact.

I personally belive that LRH died, a lonely sad man, if he belived in what he said he must have been feeling bad for goofing off on his ranch for so long. If he didnt then he might have felt bad for ripping everyone off. I dont think he was in great shape and certainly not the cause point he'd have to be to just come back and carry on. I may be totally wrong, SO members are expected to have 21 years off and then be back on post, so why not him?


La La

[La La Lou Lou]

Hi Justin, well theres a secret to avoiding the tears in the eyes thing, dont scratch your eyes after chopping onions and chilli.:bigcry:







La La

[flashgordon]

Sorry, Flash, but that a being dies is not impossible, you dont believe it, and you wont believe it, but per definition it is possible.

See this is what happens. I being goes into a agreement with a body and since the body can die ( is effected by the cycle of action ) he mistakenly believes that he can too.

That is what causes this "I'm going to die" thinking when the body starts dying. "L. Ron Hubbard" was a homo sapien beingness that some being was creating. "L. Ron Hubbard" was a character that the being was playing, then he dropped that beingness and did something else. "L. Ron Hubbard" wasn't that beings real name it was a homo sapien character he was playing and then when the body cycled out, he stopped being that character.

When the body died ( cycled out ) so did that beingness. But the actual being ( which is not male or female, male and female are human body things ) persists. It's true that a being can go to a lower level of beingness but not cease to exist. Again, it's impossible. Death is really only a manifistation of the cycle of action and only MEST can be affected by that. If you can't be external to a body you can't see someone else who is, you can only see someone who is like you, a being that is operating through a body.

[uniquemand]

Yes, that's the mystical line of thought, but there are others, Flash. I don't think that the "being" survives body death. I do think it lives an epiphenomenal existence, perhaps even a completely independent existence of the body, but that it is projected by the body, and that it cannot exist when the body is dead.

That's my belief, at present. I don't say you have to believe that, also, but I don't see why the belief in an immortal spirit would be seen as any more valid.

[La La Lou Lou]

Hi, Flash, you are very welcome, even if Im argumentative. I mean that, glad youre here.:yes:




So back to the argument, call me a thick old cow if you like, but that only proves that thats what you believe, it's not proof.

I actually do believe that I am a spiritual being. However, I have no proof, its all very subjective. And thats not proof.

I have no sexual identity as a spirit, but I do as composite of flesh and soul. I have heard it all before, it doesnt make it true, or false. All I know is what I feel, and that can be wrong, a feeling of certainty is not proof. I believe Im young and gorgeous, then I look in the mirror!

Men blow themselves up in planes believing that they are spirits who will go to heaven where rivers of milk and honey will flow. I know this is harsh, but I dont have anything but accademic interest in someones belief system, I believe the suicide bomber is wrong, I believe there are no rivers of milk, but thats belief not fact.

I have not seen the body that was once called Ron, and Ive not seen the death certificate, or the test that showed what drugs he was taking or any proof that DM is on post because he was chosen.

If something is a fact then proove it, if you believe it then fine, it's what you believe, it doesnt proove that angels sit on clouds playing harps. History of art will explain why the images are used by different groups to illustrate abstract thoughts, but the metaphors have taken over the assylum, people expect to see angels with wings, all white and no genitals. You cant draw a spirit, people cant grasp abstract things, so illustrators invented a way to get the concepts accross. Spirits dont have wings, gods are not blue, spirits after death dont need milk and honey, they would have no mouth. Look at it again, dont just accept what youve been told.


la
la

[flashgordon]

Yes, that's the mystical line of thought, but there are others, Flash. I don't think that the "being" survives body death.

Why would the being not survive body death when the body and the being are two different things?

The body is dying yes, but you and I are not a body.

You have to define what death is. It's MEST cycling out, either normally or with some help and only MEST can cycle out. How can a being that is a static with no MEST cycle out?

When you speak of something "dying" you speaking of MEST ( mock ups ) cycling out and only MEST can cycle out not beings themselves. MEST is what beings create it's not them.

[uniquemand]

I don't accept your definition.

A program on a computer is not the computer. However, if the computer is not networked, when the computer ceases to have power, the program stops running.

I see the "self" as a program, or a large number of programs, running in a virtual reality created by the biological computer we call a nervous system. When the nervous system is defunct, the virtual reality isn't being created, and the programs have nowhere to run.

[flashgordon]

So back to the argument, call me a thick old cow if you like, but that only proves that thats what you believe, it's not proof.

I actually do believe that I am a spiritual being. However, I have no proof, its all very subjective. And thats not proof.

Well then it depends on what you call "proof". It's different from person to person. What would you consider to be proof?

[La La Lou Lou]

OK we can put bodies to chemical tests, we can proove they have weight, resist electricity etc etc.

The only thing I can proove about you is that you feel your own existance. Through experience orl earning you say this is spiritual and seperate from your body.

Can you remove the power to compute from the physical computer?

Maybe the self awareness we subjectively experience is just like the computer's 'thoughts', and turn off when unplugged.


La
la
lou
lou

[flashgordon]

I don't accept your definition.

I see the "self" as a program, or a large number of programs, running in a virtual reality created by the biological computer we call a nervous system. When the nervous system is defunct, the virtual reality isn't being created, and the programs have nowhere to run.
My defintion of what?

What you may be referring to with "self" is your mind. The mind is a creation ( like a computer ) of the being to solve the problems of survival. ( of the body ). So in essense, it a homo sapien phenomena. When a being is trying to keep something surviving, like a body, the being creates a mind to solve the problems of survival of the body.

The mind is really a machine designed to keep the body persisting. Above the mind there is the being themselves. Like a computer operator, the being runs the mind, brain and the body. It goes body-brain-mind-spirit in the chain up.

[La La Lou Lou]

Flash,
All belief systems work on their own, if you accept that god will send you to heaven if youre good then it makes sense that youde find your gran in heaven when you die. That doesnt proove it.

Its only if you die, you go to heaven and the door get slammed in your face because you wore your sisters knickers when you were 13, or because you went to a baptist church, then youll find out who the right belief system was, theres no proof before then.

Its all conjecture, theres no proof. Near death experiences have shown that Muslims tend to see what they expect to see, as do Hindus and Christians.

[Winston Smith]

I do not know if anyone here will believe me, but that is beside the point. I have had open heart surgery (aortic valve replacement & double bypass) and while I felt nothing until revived I was conscious that I was still alive. I also had a ventricular fibrillation during a concert wherein I dropped my bow and instrument and had no consciousness at all...absolute nothing. My heart stopped for 8 minutes I was told, and through our great American health system my life was saved. I remember absolutely nothing...not getting ready for the concert, not playing a note of it.

This experience makes me wonder...if I had died, right now my feeling is that is the end. I would not say that under any circumstances had I not been through this.

[flashgordon]

OK we can put bodies to chemical tests, we can proove they have weight, resist electricity etc etc.

The only thing I can proove about you is that you feel your own existance. Through experience orl earning you say this is spiritual and seperate from your body.

Can you remove the power to compute from the physical computer?

Maybe the self awareness we subjectively experience is just like the computer's 'thoughts', and turn off when unplugged.


La
la
lou
lou

I'm still not clear as to what you consider to be proof of a spirit separate from the body.

I can tell you this is something that happened. A doctor took note and wieghed a patient that was about to die, bed and all just before body death and then just after. The wieght dropped just after body death.

Why? because there was no being inhabiting the body pressing down on it and so the effect in the MEST universe changed (wieght).

[uniquemand]

That makes no sense by scientology definitions. Thetans, by definition, have no mass. Restudy.

[La La Lou Lou]

Well Wince, I dont think its off at all, I think youde have to be officially dead for about 36 hours to really proove that the pearly gates are not there. I guess the same goes for implant stations, and rivers of milk. Next time it happens Id like you to check something for me, if you do get taken to the gardens with milk and honey, Id like to know if the black eyed houris serving the intoxicating liquids are male or female.

I hope it's not soon though!


La La Lou Lou

[uniquemand]

I do not know if anyone here will believe me, but that is beside the point. I have had open heart surgery (aortic valve replacement & double bypass) and while I felt nothing until revived I was conscious that I was still alive. I also had a ventricular fibrillation during a concert wherein I dropped my bow and instrument and had no consciousness at all...absolute nothing. My heart stopped for 8 minutes I was told, and through our great American health system my life was saved. I remember absolutely nothing...not getting ready for the concert, not playing a note of it.

This experience makes me wonder...if I had died, right now my feeling is that is the end. I would not say that under any circumstances had I not been through this.


I've been there, actually, Winston. The problem is, you weren't dead. If you were, you wouldn't be alive. :( So, you didn't experience death. You experience heart failure, and what sounds to be a radical alteration of consciousness. I experienced this, as well, along with sepsis and coma. My feeling, though, is just what you say. When the body dies, lights out.

[flashgordon]

Flash,
All belief systems work on their own, if you accept that god will send you to heaven if youre good then it makes sense that youde find your gran in heaven when you die. That doesnt proove it.

How can anyone prove something to you unless first and foremost you clearyl define what you consider to be proof?

[La La Lou Lou]

Maybe the dying person breathed out, how much weight was lost? How heavy is a couple of lungfulls of air. Maybe he farted. I dont know, if its a real experiment it can be repeated, and it'll work every time. Maybe he pissed himself, dead people can be so inconsiderate!

In Scientology terms the mind has mass, though not the being himself its dragged around by the being.

Show me the experiment, but dont forget that it would only proove that the weight went down, reading anything into the result is conjecture. Any obvious physical things like air gasses and liquids would have to be measured.
Sweat evaporates, breath and stomache gasses will be released. We surely aretalking about a very small weight.

How many dead people were weighed?

[flashgordon]

I've been there, actually, Winston. The problem is, you weren't dead. If you were, you wouldn't be alive. :( So, you didn't experience death. You experience heart failure, and what sounds to be a radical alteration of consciousness. I experienced this, as well, along with sepsis and coma. My feeling, though, is just what you say. When the body dies, lights out.
Just because someone at this point, cant remember what was going on at the time of his body dying does not mean he was actually dead. Maybe he doesn't remember it now but one day it may come back to him what was happening in those 8 minutes.

The reason why a person can't remember something in a tramatic experience is because he's not up to confronting it, at this time. A girl gets brutally raped and the doctor says "do you remember what happened?" and she says "No". Does that mean she was dead or that it didn't happen?

When a being can't confront the force in an incident, the being paints it black and says "I can't remember".

[flashgordon]

That makes no sense by scientology definitions. Thetans, by definition, have no mass. Restudy.
Yes, they don't have to mass but they can press down on the body with the same forces that cause a Thetan to be able to move the body around. With that not happening anymore, the scale changes.

Yes "Thetans" don't have mass so how can they die? Death is the cycling out of MEST and can only happen to MEST, so if a Thetan has no mass how can they die? "Death" is just "end cycle" of MEST, it is just something that happens to MEST only. Since a Thetan is not MEST and has no mass how can a Thetan die?

Death ( end cycle ) is something that happens to MEST and only MEST and since a thetan is not MEST and has no mass, it can not happen to it.

[La La Lou Lou]

Flash, sorry to be boneheaded, proof is something that can be undisputably used to show that something is the way it is thought to be. It has to be repeatable. One and One can be seen to be two and they always will. You have a brick, put another on top, count them and it's two. Proof. You Mix the same amount of yellow and red and every time it comes up as orange.

Death isnt like that.

Its possible to live with uncertainty, you will definately find out if you are consious after death, however if its just the lights go off and existance stops, then you wont.

Enjoy right now, look for the future, be a good person and do what you can for your kids and friends, if you find a way of stopping war and poverty then go for it. There are things we dont know, we dont have to know everything.

[flashgordon]

Here's another interesting example. Lets say you walk up to someone sitting in a corner of a room and hold them by the arm and say "is this you?" he might responds with "yes, that is me".

If then, a surgeon cuts off both of this arms and his legs and then places them in the other corner of the room would he then be in the corner of the room where the doctor placed his amputated arms and legs?

You will hear people talk about "my body" just like "my car" and "my house" as if it's a possession, that's because it is a possession just like his car and house. Are you your possesions? He's no more his body than he is his car or house, they are possessions that he owns, but it is not him. When the body dies, he goes and gets another one just like he does when his car dies.

[Vinaire]

See this is what happens. I being goes into a agreement with a body and since the body can die ( is effected by the cycle of action ) he mistakenly believes that he can too.

That is what causes this "I'm going to die" thinking when the body starts dying. "L. Ron Hubbard" was a homo sapien beingness that some being was creating. "L. Ron Hubbard" was a character that the being was playing, then he dropped that beingness and did something else. "L. Ron Hubbard" wasn't that beings real name it was a homo sapien character he was playing and then when the body cycled out, he stopped being that character.

When the body died ( cycled out ) so did that beingness. But the actual being ( which is not male or female, male and female are human body things ) persists. It's true that a being can go to a lower level of beingness but not cease to exist. Again, it's impossible. Death is really only a manifistation of the cycle of action and only MEST can be affected by that. If you can't be external to a body you can't see someone else who is, you can only see someone who is like you, a being that is operating through a body.


Not just beingness, but also the being (per my understanding) ultimately dissolves, the way a drop of water dissolves into the sea.

.

[flashgordon]

Maybe the dying person breathed out, how much weight was lost? How heavy is a couple of lungfulls of air. Maybe he farted. I dont know, if its a real experiment it can be repeated, and it'll work every time. Maybe he pissed himself, dead people can be so inconsiderate!


I'm not talking about a milligram of wieght change but like a pound. Not the wieght of a fart. :eyeroll:

[flashgordon]

Please remember, the bed and all was wieght, so if he did piss himself, it would still be in the bed and still on the wieght scales.

[Winston Smith]

Whew! What Scientologese we have here. UM said he had experienced coma and sepsis, and was inclined to agree with me about what I took away from my experience. This will come as a shock to every OT and clear here, but I actually believe in God. It is a deeply personal thing that I expect no one to understand. For me there is no reason to debate it with anyone. I don't even bring up my Godism to anyone other than a few close friends. (however I suppose I just spilled the beans to thousands...)

It is true that 8 minutes is not long enough to know anything, but the experience just makes me ponder. No one on this earth, inhabitants of this site included, knows what will happen after death is confirmed. Yes there are untold thousands of near-death experiences like I had, but I think science will never be able to say, "This is what happens when the body ceases to function." Except obviously cataloguing the decay.

[flashgordon]

Flash, sorry to be boneheaded, proof is something that can be undisputably used to show that something is the way it is thought to be. It has to be repeatable. One and One can be seen to be two and they always will. You have a brick, put another on top, count them and it's two. Proof. You Mix the same amount of yellow and red and every time it comes up as orange.

You still have not told me what you consider to be proof that a being is not his body?

[Vinaire]

Flash, sorry to be boneheaded, proof is something that can be undisputably used to show that something is the way it is thought to be. It has to be repeatable. One and One can be seen to be two and they always will. You have a brick, put another on top, count them and it's two. Proof. You Mix the same amount of yellow and red and every time it comes up as orange.

Death isnt like that.

Its possible to live with uncertainty, you will definately find out if you are consious after death, however if its just the lights go off and existance stops, then you wont.

Enjoy right now, look for the future, be a good person and do what you can for your kids and friends, if you find a way of stopping war and poverty then go for it. There are things we dont know, we dont have to know everything.


I like this!

.

[Vinaire]

I'm not talking about a milligram of wieght change but like a pound. Not the wieght of a fart. :eyeroll:


Are you just repeating what you read in FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT?

.

[Dulloldfart]

I'm still not clear as to what you consider to be proof of a spirit separate from the body.

I can tell you this is something that happened. A doctor took note and wieghed a patient that was about to die, bed and all just before body death and then just after. The wieght dropped just after body death.

Why? because there was no being inhabiting the body pressing down on it and so the effect in the MEST universe changed (wieght).

http://www.ghostweb.com/soul.html

Write-up from the doctor here.

Paul

[Björkist]

Virginia and Mike McClaughrey have heard from Ron. They are, according their own pronouncement, his current mouthpieces on Earth. I think this makes them Popes of Scientology.

Ewige! Blumenkraft!

Don't scoff; Popes are amazing things!

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/satanic_pope.jpg



Revienimus?

Could you imagine him, even with a new body accepting the kind of crap you get in the SO, from anyone?

Tru dat!

[Vinaire]

Whew! What Scientologese we have here. UM said he had experienced coma and sepsis, and was inclined to agree with me about what I took away from my experience. This will come as a shock to every OT and clear here, but I actually believe in God. It is a deeply personal thing that I expect no one to understand. For me there is no reason to debate it with anyone. I don't even bring up my Godism to anyone other than a few close friends. (however I suppose I just spilled the beans to thousands...)

It is true that 8 minutes is not long enough to know anything, but the experience just makes me ponder. No one on this earth, inhabitants of this site included, knows what will happen after death is confirmed. Yes there are untold thousands of near-death experiences like I had, but I think science will never be able to say, "This is what happens when the body ceases to function." Except obviously cataloguing the decay.


Is there a sense of time when one is "out"?

According to my experience there is no sense of time.

.

[Dulloldfart]

Don't scoff; Popes are amazing things!

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/satanic_pope.jpg

Man, this one always looks so EVIL. The previous ones mostly looked the part, whatever their actual history, but this one....

Paul

[flashgordon]

Whew! What Scientologese we have here. UM said he had experienced coma and sepsis, and was inclined to agree with me about what I took away from my experience. This will come as a shock to every OT and clear here, but I actually believe in God. It is a deeply personal thing that I expect no one to understand. For me there is no reason to debate it with anyone. I don't even bring up my Godism to anyone other than a few close friends. (however I suppose I just spilled the beans to thousands...)

It is true that 8 minutes is not long enough to know anything, but the experience just makes me ponder. No one on this earth, inhabitants of this site included, knows what will happen after death is confirmed. Yes there are untold thousands of near-death experiences like I had, but I think science will never be able to say, "This is what happens when the body ceases to function." Except obviously cataloguing the decay.

Is it normal to fear something that you have never experienced before?

If we all have never experienced death before why do we all fear it?

Could it be that the reason we fear death be because we have been throught it before and know on some level what an unpleasant experience it is?

[flashgordon]

Is there a sense of time when one is "out"?

According to my experience there is no sense of time.

.

If you go out of the agreement with the MEST universe and the MEST universe is only where time exists, one would have no sense of time. Time is a MEST universe thing.

[flashgordon]

Are you just repeating what you read in FUNDAMENTALS OF THOUGHT?

.

No.

Actually, I never did get around to reading that book. Just watered down info of what's contained in the highier books.

[Vinaire]

Is it normal to fear something that you have never experienced before?

If we all have never experienced death before why do we all fear it?

Could it be that the reason we fear death be because we have been throught it before and know on some level what an unpleasant experience it is?


One only has to experience loss, and not necessarily death, to be afraid of death. Death is a loss of the body and all the comm lines through the body.

I am not personally aware of comm lines that do not use the body.

.

[Vinaire]

If you go out of the agreement with the MEST universe and the MEST universe is only where time exists, one would have no sense of time. Time is a MEST universe thing.


The following is my understanding:

(1) MEST is manifestation of THAT which cannot be described in MEST terms simply because it is beyond MEST.

(2) Anything that is sensed or perceived in any manner would be part of MEST, because "sense" and "perception" are properties confined to the domain of MEST as far as anyone can demonstrate.

(3) If one is sensing anything after the death of the body, then one is still occupying some MEST identity that may be finer than gross body.

(4) Any mock ups, between-lives-areas, if sensed would be part of the MEST universe, though they may be assigned to a different dimension.

(5) The "spiritual world" is simply some other dimension of the MEST universe. The MEST particles being manipulated in the spiritual world are simply much finer than the MEST particles being manipulated in the physical world.

(6) Thus, the gradients of MEST are: spirit --> mind --> body.

(7) Underlying "spirit --> mind --> body" is THAT, which cannot be described. THAT is manifesting as spirit. THAT is manifesting as mind. THAT is manifesting as body.

(8) THAT may withdraw from the body, but may still be manifested as "spirit and mind," or it may withdraw from the mind too, and simply be manifested as "spirit."

(9) In case of manifestation as "spirit and mind" one may expect there to be some kind of "body."

(10) In case of manifestation as "spirit" one may expect there to be some kind of "mind and body."

(11) All MEST would exhibit the property of mass (intertial and gravitational). "Thetan" looked upon as a manifestation at the spirit level, would be a MEST entity with the property of mass.

.

[Pepin]

You don't seem to think much of us spirits.

Spirits are not in time.
Space/Time is a physical property. Spirits are not.

Even sub atomic particles sliced thin enough will lose location. "planck scale"
Once they have lost location, they too also have "no time"



The following is my understanding:

(1) MEST is manifestation of THAT which cannot be described in MEST terms simply because it is beyond MEST.

(2) Anything that is sensed or perceived in any manner would be part of MEST, because "sense" and "perception" are properties confined to the domain of MEST as far as anyone can demonstrate.

(3) If one is sensing anything after the death of the body, then one is still occupying some MEST identity that may be finer than gross body.

(4) Any mock ups, between-lives-areas, if sensed would be part of the MEST universe, though they may be assigned to a different dimension.

(5) The "spiritual world" is simply some other dimension of the MEST universe. The MEST particles being manipulated in the spiritual world are simply much finer than the MEST particles being manipulated in the physical world.

(6) Thus, the gradients of MEST are: spirit --> mind --> body.

(7) Underlying "spirit --> mind --> body" is THAT, which cannot be described. THAT is manifesting as spirit. THAT is manifesting as mind. THAT is manifesting as body.

(8) THAT may withdraw from the body, but may still be manifested as "spirit and mind," or it may withdraw from the mind too, and simply be manifested as "spirit."

(9) In case of manifestation as "spirit and mind" one may expect there to be some kind of "body."

(10) In case of manifestation as "spirit" one may expect there to be some kind of "mind and body."

(11) All MEST would exhibit the property of mass (intertial and gravitational). "Thetan" looked upon as a manifestation at the spirit level, would be a MEST entity with the property of mass.

.

[flashgordon]

One only has to experience loss, and not necessarily death, to be afraid of death.

How do you know that death incorpotates loss?

How do you know it's not a happy joyfull experience?

How would you know you would experience loss unless you have been through it before? And for that matter, loss of what?

[flashgordon]

The following is my understanding:

(1) MEST is manifestation of THAT which cannot be described in MEST terms simply because it is beyond MEST.

MEST can be proven by MEST, It's the spirit that can't be defined in MEST terms because the spirit is not of the MEST universe. That is why it is so hard to "prove" the spirit. Invarably, they will ask you to prove the spirit in MEST terms which is next to impossible to do.

Maybe if you replaced the world "Thetan" over the word "MEST" in the above it would be closer.

[uniquemand]

There was a sense of waiting, which infers time, Vinaire, in my case. There were consecutive events. I didn't have a sense of a "quantity" of time passing. But I knew one thing followed another.

[FrankBooth]

When the body dies, lights out.

:thumbsup:

It's either fortunate or unfortunate, that we as human beings have evolved to the point that we can even conceive things that might be different.

As the animal kingdom discovered long before LRH, the driving cause of life is survival. We have the brains that allow us to not only survive but come up with wild theories and conjecture about continuing our existence beyond death. It's in our nature to attempt to come up with an excuse to cheat death. Instead of trying to avoid predators, our excuse to cheat death is to create any one of a number of scenarios where there's some sort of "essence" inside of us that will "carry on" our consciousness.

No human being should sell themselves short by writing themselves off as a shell of some other "being" that's at the controls. It would be tragic to try and imagine that I am not me, but merely a meat body being controlled by some other being that is truly "me" and that "I" am not "me", but merely a vehicle being operated by some sort of contrived essence. I for one, choose to embrace my humanity and make the best of it, for myself and those I interact with.

Not to sidetrack, but that's what I never really understood about the "believers" vs "atheist" argument. Regardless of your chosen spirituality, the constant argument is "Well, if we didn't have religion, why would you not just go out and rape, pillage and plunder". Total red herring, because it's peoples spirituality that causes them to kill themselves and/or others to achieve their given brand of "heaven". Had they taken a second to think that this is all there is, then maybe they would have thought twice before blowing themselves up in front of a crowd of innocent people, or invading a country that believed differently.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, and I apologize if it doesn't, but blind faith in some arbitrary, unproven claims into the human condition ( be it the Bible, The Torah, or a Science Fiction author turned savior of the human race) allow people to do crazy shit because they think that their essence will continue on beyond their petty existence here on Earth. I for one treasure every moment of my existence here on Earth, because my ability to even have this conversation is extremely special. No other life as we know it even has the ability to even comprehend such things, let alone have a civil discourse about it. We are unique like that in our little backwoods planet in our little backwoods solar system in our little fringe of the Milky Way. And I treasure every little scrap of knowledge I can devour, but in the scope of our gigantic universe, my gaining knowledge based upon what little we as peon human beings can actually know about the order of the universe is infantesimally small.

If people gain comfort thinking that anyone on the planet Earth can actually come to solid conclusions about the workings of the cosmos, more power to them, but that only goes as far as helping people sleep at night.

The universe is a huge place, and Homo Sapiens Sapiens will never know the answer because the earth will be swallowed up by the Sun long before we have the ability to work it all out scientifically.

And like LRH, I will make a proclaimation of a great discovery right now. I have researched and discovered for the first time that in order for humanity to live well, that the primary harmony of the human race is to treat others as you want to be treated. Hell, that's pretty much akin to his "discovery" that beings want to survive right?

[flashgordon]

When the body dies it's lights out......for the body. Since you and I are not a body, you go on.

The body is just a way and means of operating in the MEST universe ( the universe of agreement ), if that window becomes dark or broken ( dead body ), you go to another one.

Teaching people that they are one lifers and will be dead forever only promotes irresponsible behavior and irresponsible behavior is what is causing this planet to get to a point where it will no longer support human beings anymore.

[FrankBooth]

Teaching people that they are one lifers and will be dead forever only promotes irresponsible behavior and irresponsible behavior is what is causing this planet to get to a point where it will no longer support human beings anymore.

Well, if the Earth is only a prison and dumping ground according to LRH then I don't think that would be of major concern.

However I would seriously disagree with your notion that believing that one is a "one lifer" would promote irresponsible behavior, and therefore, would destroy themselves. I would see it the other way around. I would be much more irresponsible if I felt that I would be granted a "do over" once I died. Animals don't do that because the food chain works in harmony, naturally, without wild theories, to keep a balance of life. The only imbalance occurred when human beings gained the ability to think beyond the here and now.

If I really believed that my current existence was just a blip on the radar of billions (or according to LRH, which goes against all science, trillions) of years, I totally wouldn't care at all.....what's a few decades when I've been around for trillions of years, and will continue to be around for trillions of years? The best that belief would do would be to allow myself to be enslaved into service into something like the Sea Org.

And if the belief in being a "one lifer" only promotes irresponsibility and destroy the planet, then why do all of the animals on the planet continue to thrive. It's the human belief in hocus pocus that is causing the downfall of the planet.

If what you're talking about was true, every species of animal on this planet would not exist because they can't even think about this concept, and therefore are "one lifers", and would destroy themselves. Unfortunately, the planet only got F'ed up when human beings were able to try to cheat death.

Death is Homo Sapien Sapiens only natural predator, so naturally, we have to come up with ways to try and wriggle around it. Just as the buffalo form herds to stave off their natural predators, humans form afterlives to stave off our predators.

(Edit: Total sidebar - If anyone was really at cause over MEST, don't you think they'd take the 2 seconds (I know, MEST term, with the use of the term "seconds") to open it up to everyone else? Wouldn't someone like that be able to clear the planet instantaneously?

The only thing that's putting this planet in the pooper is the scores of well intentioned, dedicated, good hearted people that are wasting away because of some hack sci-fi writer turned savior. The planet going to hell? Imagine how much positive impact a lot of wonderful people could have had on the world that spent the best years of their life regging people into the org.

[Vinaire]

You don't seem to think much of us spirits.

Spirits are not in time.
Space/Time is a physical property. Spirits are not.

Even sub atomic particles sliced thin enough will lose location. "planck scale"
Once they have lost location, they too also have "no time"


Please note that this is just my understanding. It may not be yours. I feel that if one is aware as spirit then there is time. That awareness denotes time. If awareness is persisting, that is a characteristic of time.

.

[Vinaire]

MEST can be proven by MEST, It's the spirit that can't be defined in MEST terms because the spirit is not of the MEST universe. That is why it is so hard to "prove" the spirit. Invarably, they will ask you to prove the spirit in MEST terms which is next to impossible to do.

Maybe if you replaced the world "Thetan" over the word "MEST" in the above it would be closer.


As long as one looks at "spirit" as some kind of an identity or beingness, that "spirit" is still very much part of MEST.

By identifying, one is claiming a boundary to the thing being identified, and its separation from its surroundings.

Separation is the characteristic of space.

.

[Vinaire]

There was a sense of waiting, which infers time, Vinaire, in my case. There were consecutive events. I didn't have a sense of a "quantity" of time passing. But I knew one thing followed another.

To me, that awareness is part of the MEST universe, even though MEST has become much rarer.

.

[Vinaire]

:thumbsup:

It's either fortunate or unfortunate, that we as human beings have evolved to the point that we can even conceive things that might be different.

As the animal kingdom discovered long before LRH, the driving cause of life is survival. We have the brains that allow us to not only survive but come up with wild theories and conjecture about continuing our existence beyond death. It's in our nature to attempt to come up with an excuse to cheat death. Instead of trying to avoid predators, our excuse to cheat death is to create any one of a number of scenarios where there's some sort of "essence" inside of us that will "carry on" our consciousness.

No human being should sell themselves short by writing themselves off as a shell of some other "being" that's at the controls. It would be tragic to try and imagine that I am not me, but merely a meat body being controlled by some other being that is truly "me" and that "I" am not "me", but merely a vehicle being operated by some sort of contrived essence. I for one, choose to embrace my humanity and make the best of it, for myself and those I interact with.

Not to sidetrack, but that's what I never really understood about the "believers" vs "atheist" argument. Regardless of your chosen spirituality, the constant argument is "Well, if we didn't have religion, why would you not just go out and rape, pillage and plunder". Total red herring, because it's peoples spirituality that causes them to kill themselves and/or others to achieve their given brand of "heaven". Had they taken a second to think that this is all there is, then maybe they would have thought twice before blowing themselves up in front of a crowd of innocent people, or invading a country that believed differently.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, and I apologize if it doesn't, but blind faith in some arbitrary, unproven claims into the human condition ( be it the Bible, The Torah, or a Science Fiction author turned savior of the human race) allow people to do crazy shit because they think that their essence will continue on beyond their petty existence here on Earth. I for one treasure every moment of my existence here on Earth, because my ability to even have this conversation is extremely special. No other life as we know it even has the ability to even comprehend such things, let alone have a civil discourse about it. We are unique like that in our little backwoods planet in our little backwoods solar system in our little fringe of the Milky Way. And I treasure every little scrap of knowledge I can devour, but in the scope of our gigantic universe, my gaining knowledge based upon what little we as peon human beings can actually know about the order of the universe is infantesimally small.

If people gain comfort thinking that anyone on the planet Earth can actually come to solid conclusions about the workings of the cosmos, more power to them, but that only goes as far as helping people sleep at night.

The universe is a huge place, and Homo Sapiens Sapiens will never know the answer because the earth will be swallowed up by the Sun long before we have the ability to work it all out scientifically.

And like LRH, I will make a proclaimation of a great discovery right now. I have researched and discovered for the first time that in order for humanity to live well, that the primary harmony of the human race is to treat others as you want to be treated. Hell, that's pretty much akin to his "discovery" that beings want to survive right?


Right!

Survival is simply the desire to continue one’s manifestation. By “manifestation” I mean the transformation from potential to actual. The “actual” form has characteristics recognized as MEST.

It is this desire to survive that brings about all emotions, sensations, etc. It is this desire that prompts our maneuverings to cheat death. Without this desire there is simply desireless conception and perception.

“God” and "heaven" is just another mechanism brought into play in one’s effort to cheat death. A sense of ethics and morality can exist independent of a religion connected with the idea of some supreme being called “God.” One does not really need such a conception of “God.” The conception of BRAHMA is very different. It is the conception of the potential prior to the transformation to “actual.”

To me, the best scenario is living one’s life ethically without conceiving any attachment to it.

.

[Vinaire]

When the body dies it's lights out......for the body. Since you and I are not a body, you go on.

The body is just a way and means of operating in the MEST universe ( the universe of agreement ), if that window becomes dark or broken ( dead body ), you go to another one.

Teaching people that they are one lifers and will be dead forever only promotes irresponsible behavior and irresponsible behavior is what is causing this planet to get to a point where it will no longer support human beings anymore.


Body is simply a heavier manifestation as MEST. As "spirit" one is still manifesting as MEST. MEST is not something separate from you, or an adversary, as presented by Hubbard.

MEST is your manifested from. You may add to it by acquiring another body, or simply let go of it entirely.

It is attachment to this MEST form that creates all attitudes, emotions, sensations and pains.

.

[Ted]

Is there a sense of time when one is "out"?

According to my experience there is no sense of time.

.


Being "out," so far out that there is absolutely no attention on Earth or MEST, there is no sense of Earth or MEST time.

Although, I see no reason a 2-year hiatus would be unreasonable. The preclears I have audited who had an opinion on this matter gave themselves a 1- to 2-year break returning with little or no knowledge, or perhaps no-interest, in the between lives area.

As for me, I can dig it. Have been out, have returned in one lifetime. The experience is exactly what I needed at the time. YMMV? Yes. I suspect each being will have the exact experience they need to have. So, all opinions on the matter are correct. I returned completely refreshed. :D

[La La Lou Lou]

WOW, I am impressed, you ask a simple little question and look at all the wonderful intelligent philosophical responses!

If only I had had an intelligent conversation with you guys when I was dumbly accepting all the over simplified bollocks I was fed in there!

Please carry on, doubting, thinking, working it all out for yourselves, you guys rock!




La La

[NeXTep]

WOW, I am impressed, you ask a simple little question and look at all the wonderful intelligent philosophical responses!

If only I had had an intelligent conversation with you guys when I was dumbly accepting all the over simplified bollocks I was fed in there!

Please carry on, doubting, thinking, working it all out for yourselves, you guys rock!

La La

Well you're right, however if you hadn't been in you probably would not have been attracted to this place and even if you'd found it you probably would not understand what is being said.

[La La Lou Lou]

Nextstep, thats true, thanks to Ron I am no longer a shyentologist.:yes:

[Zinjifar]

Nextstep, thats true, thanks to Ron I am no longer a shyentologist.:yes:

And, thanks to ESMB you are no longer a silentologist :)

Zinj

[La La Lou Lou]

Thanks Zinj, so true, Ive become a Thai Die-ntologist.

[ScudMuffin]

Yestserday on protest we saw a Ron Lookalike! Seriously, I'm scanning through vids to see if I can find him, if so I'll stick a shot up. It was so freaky.

[La La Lou Lou]

OMG Scuddy, Wrongalike, what a horrid job to have.

What a fright to come accross such a thing, great for Anon protests though!:dieslaughing:

[La La Lou Lou]

Lookalikes can earn good money, dont think there would be much call for this one though!

Psychiatric conventions, Anon rallies, tomato growing associations, and 2nd world war hero conventions of course.






La la

[Dulloldfart]

woops the word protests would have been better. lol

You can edit your own posts for up to 24 hours. :)

Paul

[La La Lou Lou]

Thanks Dully, (hope thats not too informal).

It's terrible being a technophobe, but Im getting there.



La'y

[Dulloldfart]

Thanks Dully, (hope thants not too informal).


It's fine. Better than Farty.

Paul

[flashgordon]

Well, if the Earth is only a prison and dumping ground according to LRH then I don't think that would be of major concern.

If it is a prison how would it be good to make it a worse prison?

[flashgordon]

:thumbsup:

It's either fortunate or unfortunate, that we as human beings have evolved to the point that we can even conceive things that might be different.

It's the body that has evolved and move up the line on earth not the beings running them. Evolution is a body thing.

on a different note, it's been said that the human body is nothing more than a theta trap.

[Alanzo]

It's the body that has evolved and move up the line on earth not the beings running them. Evolution is a body thing.

on a different note, it's been said that the human body is nothing more than a theta trap.
Wow.

You don't say.

Who said that?

[La La Lou Lou]

I believe Ron said 'a female body was like the best theta trap evva, man.'
(not an exact quote).

All I can say is he'd never seen gay porn. :yes: Though I cant proove it.






La La La La La

[clamicide]

Wow.

You don't say.

Who said that?


I'd have no idea. See, I'm only an EX-Scientologist because I didn't read the books and had mu's on the stuff I did manage to read. :faceslap: Huh....maybe I need to go restudy and give it all another chance.:eyeroll:

[La La Lou Lou]

OOOOOOO Alanz0, what a lot of stars!

[uniquemand]

Please, if you have MUs, do get them cleared up. Ignorant critics are useless except as pawns.

[clamicide]

Please, if you have MUs, do get them cleared up. Ignorant critics are useless except as pawns.

If you mean me, does the :faceslap: help? I thought the :eyeroll: at the end gave my intent....hard to capture that snarky voice on a board some days. My sarcasm font is missing. Nope. I was damned good at study and you could spot-check the living hell out of me.

Just reacting because posts like the particular one Alanzo reacted to make me think that some assume we're Exes just because we didn't "get it" or something. I like reading the debates and original thoughts or evolving of tech folks have come to--rehash of Ron's tech, not so much. Spent enough time studying the "party line".

[Vinaire]

It's the body that has evolved and move up the line on earth not the beings running them. Evolution is a body thing.

on a different note, it's been said that the human body is nothing more than a theta trap.


I think that thetan evolve too. A lot of them have evolved out of Scientology.

.

[uniquemand]

If you mean me, does the :faceslap: help? I thought the :eyeroll: at the end gave my intent....hard to capture that snarky voice on a board some days. My sarcasm font is missing. Nope. I was damned good at study and you could spot-check the living hell out of me.

Just reacting because posts like the particular one Alanzo reacted to make me think that some assume we're Exes just because we didn't "get it" or something. I like reading the debates and original thoughts or evolving of tech folks have come to--rehash of Ron's tech, not so much. Spent enough time studying the "party line".

I was talking to you. I was also being rather facetious. My facetious font doesn't translate well to html.

[clamicide]

I was talking to you. I was also being rather facetious. My facetious font doesn't translate well to html.

Oops! :redface:
OK--Calling Emma! Universal facetious/snarky/tounge-in-cheek font needed. (or, I just need to be less clueless :p )

[Alanzo]

I was talking to you. I was also being rather facetious. My facetious font doesn't translate well to html.

You were being sarcastic AND facetious?

At the same time?

Can you walk and chew gum, too?

[Alanzo]

OOOOOOO Alanz0, what a lot of stars!

They're quite attractive, aren't they?

They're like a pair of huge tits.

[clamicide]

They're quite attractive, aren't they?

They're like a pair of huge tits.


Wow.....:sits waiting for Alanzo's stars to start drooping:

[cantsay]

You should see them when he goes for a run. Damn near knocks himself out.

[Dulloldfart]

Wow.....:sits waiting for Alanzo's stars to start drooping:

Maybe you'll just have to settle for the neese swinging to and fro.

Paul

[La La Lou Lou]

Sorry Alanzo, not exactly a pair of tits, more like a row of sow's mammeries.

But very nice they are, very pert, and they suit you, down to the ground!






La La

[Voltaire's Child]

I couldn't find exactly what I was looking for, but this might help. Hey, our very own fluffernutter is even quoted!

http://gathering-minds.net/intelligence/fallingintoagreement

I've incurred the McLaughrey's wrath on a number of occasions. One would think that with their penchant for intel, that they'd have figured out who I am and what forums I'm referring to. They're the ones who decimated the forums after all and not like I've never exchanged posts and emails with them.

It's not unlike looking at Gerry Armstrong's webpages about various people of whom he disapproves, IMO.

I was on the yahoo list they used to moderate- it used to be that Confront23 was the list admin/owner, he bowed out and willed it to Virginia. She immediately started creating sublists and putting people on them instead of that one, according to her dictates. Sort of like a psychotic CS on steroids. Prior to that, she also threatened a few people including myself with banning just for disagreeing with her. The only other person I've ever seen do that is Arnie, of course. Heh. Soooo...eventually that list was gone, baby, gone. Then she went onto Paul Misunias' FZ msg board and got Paul into all this conspiracy think, took over, and that board is gone, too.

It ain't rocket science- either the events happened or they didn't. And they did.

[Voltaire's Child]

Interesting fluff.

There seem to have been a couple of nutters on the loose in the freezone.

Still wonder if DM doesnt go all blank around the eyes and start talking like a an older american man with a deep voice that rattles the microphones.

The absense of a mainstream church sighting of him is interesting though. Its an admission that it was bollocks, or that the geezers's just plain dead. Which would mean that it was just bollocks. Big ginger, hairy, tooth marked, bollocks.


La La


Oh, they were nuts before they got to the FZ, believe me. One can find crazies in all walks of life as in the examples I give in my preceding answer to the person who referred to me as a fluffernutter.

[uniquemand]

Oh, they were nuts before they got to the FZ, believe me. One can find crazies in all walks of life as in the examples I give in my preceding answer to the person who referred to me as a fluffernutter.

Lol. No offense, Fluff. You might not know this, but a fluffer-nutter was a sandwich that was described on the side of containers of "Fluff" in the 80's. Marshmallow fluff on toasted bread with peanut butter. I find it slightly humorous that it also contains the concept of "nutter", but not because I necessarily find you crazy (other than republicanism). It's mean as a joke, not as a dig.

[La La Lou Lou]

Dont worry Fluffy-one, I wasnt saying that the FZ was full of nutters, or that the FZ made them as they are.

I fully believe they were off with the fairies from the start.








La La

[Voltaire's Child]

Lol. No offense, Fluff. You might not know this, but a fluffer-nutter was a sandwich that was described on the side of containers of "Fluff" in the 80's. Marshmallow fluff on toasted bread with peanut butter. I find it slightly humorous that it also contains the concept of "nutter", but not because I necessarily find you crazy (other than republicanism). It's mean as a joke, not as a dig.

Oh, it's fine, hon- but those things taste SOOO awful. John likes them so I tried one...bleah!!!

Ah well!

[uniquemand]

Oh, it's fine, hon- but those things taste SOOO awful. John likes them so I tried one...bleah!!!

Ah well!

When I was in college, my diet consisted of fluffernutters at lunch (no breakfast, too early) along with about five cokes. Chopped suey for dinner, or lasagna or some such, along with a bunch of cokes. Then, latenight ramen noodles, along with tons of coffee. I wondered why I had nosebleeds!

[La La Lou Lou]

With a diet like that Im surprised you had blood!

Hope youre eating your greens now.

[Voltaire's Child]

Eat your veggies!

[uniquemand]

Let's see, today I had a bowl of chickarina soup, three cokes, and a vat of heavily salted popcorn. My plan is to have some coffee ice cream for dinner, and then some more soup right before I go to bed. Oh, and tons more cokes.

[Voltaire's Child]

Ah! Bachelor chow!

[Nomad]

Lol. No offense, Fluff. You might not know this, but a fluffer-nutter was a sandwich that was described on the side of containers of "Fluff" in the 80's. Marshmallow fluff on toasted bread with peanut butter. I find it slightly humorous that it also contains the concept of "nutter", but not because I necessarily find you crazy (other than republicanism). It's mean as a joke, not as a dig.

I remember a restaurant when I was in college that had a BIG list of sandwiches they made (and there were many more not listed), which included at least 4 variations of the Fluffernutter sandwich. I think they figured as long as they had the fluff for the basic Fluffernutter, they might as well list some variants too.

[uniquemand]

I remember a restaurant when I was in college that had a BIG list of sandwiches they made (and there were many more not listed), which included at least 4 variations of the Fluffernutter sandwich. I think they figured as long as they had the fluff for the basic Fluffernutter, they might as well list some variants too.

Wow! Gourmet Fluff!

[La La Lou Lou]

mmmmm Lentil and fluffnutter bake with anchovy sauce!

[Voltaire's Child]

mmmmm Lentil and fluffnutter bake with anchovy sauce!


OMG! That's just wrong somehow!

[La La Lou Lou]

Well it seems no different to the kind of stuff some people around here, except for the lentils.

Never really got marshmallows.

Give me a firey curry any day, without the marshmallos!

I'll eat a crunchy peanut butter sarnie with cheese and jam though, wholegrain bread of course, preferably whole barley sour dough from my local polish baker!

[JustanotherEX]

Well it seems no different to the kind of stuff some people around here, except for the lentils.

Never really got marshmallows.

Give me a firey curry any day, without the marshmallos!

I'll eat a crunchy peanut butter sarnie with cheese and jam though, wholegrain bread of course, preferably whole barley sour dough from my local polish baker!

Speaking of fiery curry... You inspired me to make some fine, and quite incendiary, beef curry! The biryani has yet to be assembled tho. Happily, it IS on the schedule.

Ahhhh, food.... a necessity for operating a body and an art if done well.

Thanks again for the inspiration.

[La La Lou Lou]

Justin, glad to have inspired you!

Feed those Blobby Thetans!

Do you think we like curry because it reminds us of the wall of fire?







La La (Biriyani) Lou Lou

[Panda Termint]

La La, Shouldn't that be Ring Of Fire?

[Zinjifar]

La La, Shouldn't that be Ring Of Fire?

http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/JPEG%27S/Images,%20General/PreparationH.jpg

Zinj

[Panda Termint]

Are you following me, Zinj?

[La La Lou Lou]

I have eaten many a curry and never expirienced the ring of fire, I think it's just a superstitious belief.

Whereas the wall of fire is a known scientifically proven fact.

[La La Lou Lou]

By the way Ive heard that preperation H is really good to put on your face to tighten the skin, and thus remove wrinkles.

If the ring of fire was a true phenomena then a bath in milk would be the best thing. Yoghurt would do. Milk fat somehow counters the effect of the chilli burn. However it might be expensive, and make a really funny video.:blush:

[Zinjifar]

By the way Ive heard that preperation H is really good to put on your face to tighten the skin, and thus remove wrinkles.

Isn't that called 'salad tossing'?

Zinj

[elwood]

I have eaten many a curry and never expirienced the ring of fire, I think it's just a superstitious belief.

Whereas the wall of fire is a known scientifically proven fact.

A mango pickle will do the trick.

[La La Lou Lou]

Oh dear Zinji and Elwood I got things muddled up and rubbed Mango Chutney on my wrinkles, the Turmeric has left nasty stains on my crows feet, any idea what I should do?

By the way the chillies do tend to sting when the mustard seed oil dribbles around the eyes.




La La