Smurf gets assaulted at Big Blue.

[AnonOrange]

Another assault, this time with blood:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/121-flash-raids/stats-day-raid-hgb-06-25-09-a-48222/

I'm disapointed with the response of the first few posters. It's like: No big deal, another critic gets beat up, same shit different day.

This is VERY serious. It appears that AGAIN scientology will not provide the video footage to the LAPD.

Again, for the 1000'th time, don't raid alone, raid with your video cam on your chest for quick access.

[EP - Ethics Particle]

As the ranks of "in" Scientologists thin out, the remainder is more composed of the "lunatic fringe" - and caution should be the order of the day...at least that is the way I see it.

EP

[Free to shine]

From the thread:


Stats Day Raid at HGB, 06/25/09
Casper, Hombre, Graham Berry & myself decided to raid the HGB today as the Scilons scurried about getting the productions stats in & posted before the 2 pm deadline.

Being the old fuck that I am, I misread the email and went to LRH Way & protested on my own, choosing to leave my camera in my car until others showed up. An hour into my protest, I was approached by a public Scilon unhappy with my sign, "Slappy Miscavige beats & kicks his staff," who proceeded to grab my poster, and in the melee, got pushed backwards into the bushes.

Sustained minor bruises & bloodied lip and when I realized I made a mistake to location, went to the HGB with bloody face & shirt after I filed a report with the LAPD. Was the incident filmed? Yes, by the Scilons. Figure what happens next.

When I arrived at the HGB, Graham Berry was conversing the Ukranian guard Alex, who, for the first time in nearly a year, love-bombed Graham in conversation (and oodles of bullshit). Later, Alex agreed to speak with me if I didn't stick a camera in his face.

[skollie]

It's absolutely disgusting that they would attack him, but says a lot about the state of affairs.

[Tim Skog]

It's absolutely disgusting that they would attack him, but says a lot about the state of affairs.

Yes, and thankfully it doesn't happen more often. It does worry me that some cult member will go whacko at one of these raids and do something really bad. I'm always glad to see a successful raid and breathe a sigh of relief at the same time.

[Lohan2008]

Again, for the 1000'th time, don't raid alone, raid with your video cam on your chest for quick access.

Like you did ? (oh! the iRONy)

[AnonOrange]

It does worry me that some cult member will go whacko at one of these raids and do something really bad. I'm always glad to see a successful raid and breathe a sigh of relief at the same time.

If you listen to the video of my attack at Gold Base, you can clearly hear the sound of a gun shot. I know guns and several other gun owners that listened to that sound agree it is some kind of a high powered rifle. We think a sniper monitoring the situation may have inadverntently touched the hair trigger on the rifle.

After the Gold attack, I posted several times to warn people not to go to Gold. (there were other reasons, yet to be divulged). Regardless, people still went there.

Johnn Duigan (Irish ExSea org that wrote the book) said he would have killed for scientology. He's one that was open minded enought to get out. Imagine those that can't be reasoned. There's an arsenal of guns and whackos at Gold Base.

This won't end well...

[AnonOrange]

Like you did ? (oh! the iRONy)

I never raid alone, but sometimes nobody shows up to help. I always have my camera on my chest rolling though.

[Kha Khan]

After the Gold attack, I posted several times to warn people not to go to Gold. (there were other reasons, yet to be divulged).I don't want to give you a hard time, but if you don't want, or aren't able, to divulge your reasons for not wanting people to do something, you can't be surprised when they go ahead and do it.

[3rdman]

I've noticed during these recent attacks, its against protesters without cameras. Smurf said he chose not to bring his camera with him while going into the lion's den. I'm upset another protester got attacked, but at the same time not surprised when one goes without protection.

[Ladybird]

Seriously, don't even go anywhere near the cult without a camera and a buddy. Push is coming to shove, and these culties believe in more than 72 virgins if they die honorably. Scientologists don't even believe in death!

[AnonOrange]

I don't want to give you a hard time, but if you don't want, or aren't able, to divulge your reasons for not wanting people to do something, you can't be surprised when they go ahead and do it.

The gun shot was discussed at length. That alone should be enough.

[Lee_from_phx]

If the ronbots attack people who protest alone without (visible) cameras, then that sounds like the perfect formula to catch them on camera attacking peaceful protesters.

A predictable enemy is sometimes the best ally.

[RolandRB]

The gun shot was discussed at length. That alone should be enough.

The gunshot seemed to be loud in the video so I wonder how far away it must have been fired from. Hw far can the sound from one of those things carry.

[uniquemand]

Yup. Study history.

[Feral]

The gunshot seemed to be loud in the video so I wonder how far away it must have been fired from. Hw far can the sound from one of those things carry.

Depending on the rifle and conditions a gun shot can be heard over a couple of miles.

At int there is a busy highway, so, the sound would carry no where near that distance, being drowned out by the ambient noise, it depends on the type and power of the gun. But at least it would be loud up to 500 yds

I'm a grazier (rancher) and often carry a rifle at work. I occasionally use my scope to look a long distance, but it is basic fire arm safety to not chamber a round when not about to take a shot. Some rifles and amo are deadly over MANY miles.

I'm surprised you didn't hear the zing or thud of a bullet hitting the ground nearby.

How far from 'eagle' were you AO? Were you in a direct line of sight?

[British Mom]

Another assault, this time with blood:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/121-flash-raids/stats-day-raid-hgb-06-25-09-a-48222/

I'm disapointed with the response of the first few posters. It's like: No big deal, another critic gets beat up, same shit different day.

This is VERY serious. It appears that AGAIN scientology will not provide the video footage to the LAPD.

Again, for the 1000'th time, don't raid alone, raid with your video cam on your chest for quick access.

This is not OK, how dare they knock Smurf, I have seen more violence from the Scienos than Anons, in fact I have not seen any violence from the Anons at all.

I am :angry: really :angry: it just goes to show how Scieno's operate:angry: & it does prove a point that the Scieno's lie as they are call Anons a Hate Group, which is an utter lie, now you can see how they behave in the Sea Org, shouting, pushing & hitting their dedicated members.

Anons, I love you all & thank you for what you are doing, you are making a BIG difference stopping people from getting conned & getting involved :clap: :clap: :clap:

[RolandRB]

Depending on the rifle and conditions a gun shot can be heard over a couple of miles.

At int there is a busy highway, so, the sound would carry no where near that distance, being drowned out by the ambient noise, it depends on the type and power of the gun. But at least it would be loud up to 500 yds

I'm a grazier (rancher) and often carry a rifle at work. I occasionally use my scope to look a long distance, but it is basic fire arm safety to not chamber a round when not about to take a shot. Some rifles and amo are deadly over MANY miles.

I'm surprised you didn't hear the zing or thud of a bullet hitting the ground nearby.

How far from 'eagle' were you AO? Were you in a direct line of sight?

Could this be a sound clip they play to make critics flinch? I didn't see any reaction to the gunshot sound so it is like there was no shock wave associated with it so it might have been a recording.

[Feral]

Could this be a sound clip they play to make critics flinch? I didn't see any reaction to the gunshot sound so it is like there was no shock wave associated with it so it might have been a recording.

Dunno, maybe. It's a pretty dumb tactic though, it'd only work once.

Another thing, I would never use a rifle scope to observe a human. It follows the rule that you don't point a gun at any one, loaded or not.

I'm sure eagle has binoculars up there too.

[RolandRB]

Dunno, maybe. It's a pretty dumb tactic though, it'd only work once.

Another thing, I would never use a rifle scope to observe a human. It follows the rule that you don't point a gun at any one, loaded or not.

I'm sure eagle has binoculars up there too.

The more I think of it the more I doubt that it was a real gunshot.

[AnonOrange]

I'm surprised you didn't hear the zing or thud of a bullet hitting the ground nearby.

How far from 'eagle' were you AO? Were you in a direct line of sight?

I was about 100 yards from buildings across the street and I'd say 300 yards from eagle. Note that the CoS at gold has admitted to have a single 308 sniper rifle (plus some 45 cal handguns). Those 308's are deadly for at least 500 yards. We think the sniper had his finger on the trigger, which was probably a hair trigger and shot it by mistake.

We did not hear the bullet sound at the time, because of the comotion. What's even more interesting is that most people did not hear it on the video until they were told to listen to it. When your attention is focused on looking at what's happening, you'll tune out the rest.

[Alanzo]

I've noticed during these recent attacks, its against protesters without cameras. Smurf said he chose not to bring his camera with him while going into the lion's den. I'm upset another protester got attacked, but at the same time not surprised when one goes without protection.

This gives me an idea - if someone is willing to do this.

Set up a camera in a hidden place where the Scientologists are unaware of it. Put a hidden "wire" on a lone protester, and send them out to protest alone.

Bait, if you will.

Get it fully documented with the hidden wire and the hidden camera footage and go to the police.

Then come down on the violent Scientologists with the full force of the law, being sure to investigate for conspiracies by their seniors to commit violent crimes on unarmed, and solitary protesters. Since this has happened on both sides of the US, and at other orgs around the world, there is likely to be a conspiracy to commit violence down through command channels. It may go all the way to DM.

Then publicize every inch of the trial(s).

SCIENTOLOGY = HATEFUL VIOLENT CULT

[Dulloldfart]

The lone protester and his accomplices would probably be found guilty of conspiracy to make illegal audio and video recordings without the permission of all concerned parties.

Paul

[Alanzo]

The lone protester and his accomplices would probably be found guilty of conspiracy to make illegal audio and video recordings without the permission of all concerned parties.

Paul

Then they should work with the police to do it.

I think a judge would sign a warrant for this. There is definitely enough evidence to show probably cause.

[Zinjifar]

Having private citizens playing spai or trolling the clams like a Q-ship to invite violence is fraught with peril.

Stick to exposing Scientology in a straightforward manner and, yes, have witnesses and cameras. Trust the Scientologists to act like Scientology.

And be safe.

Zinj

[HolyCow]

Having private citizens playing spai or trolling the clams like a Q-ship to invite violence is fraught with peril.

Stick to exposing Scientology in a straightforward manner and, yes, have witnesses and cameras. Trust the Scientologists to act like Scientology.

And be safe.

Zinj

What Zinj said. It's especially a volatile time right now. When push comes to shove :p slap-happy becomes trigger happy. As I think Zinj would say: "We don't need no steenkin' martyrs"

[Feral]

I was about 100 yards from buildings across the street and I'd say 300 yards from eagle. Note that the CoS at gold has admitted to have a single 308 sniper rifle (plus some 45 cal handguns). Those 308's are deadly for at least 500 yards. We think the sniper had his finger on the trigger, which was probably a hair trigger and shot it by mistake.

We did not hear the bullet sound at the time, because of the comotion. What's even more interesting is that most people did not hear it on the video until they were told to listen to it. When your attention is focused on looking at what's happening, you'll tune out the rest.

A 308 is deadly at a greater range than that, the US marines claim 1000 yds and it's a LOUD rifle.

A shooter on my place took a deer out with one at 400yds and cleft it's head in two, from memory the amo had 140 to 160 grains of powder, a .22 has up to 4.

[Div6]

The lone protester and his accomplices would probably be found guilty of conspiracy to make illegal audio and video recordings without the permission of all concerned parties.

Paul

And what are you basing this on? In the US there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places, so vids\pics are no problem. Given that you live in a surveillance society, I would expect it to be similar in the UK.

Stop dramatizing stops....:)

[RolandRB]

A 308 is deadly at a greater range than that, the US marines claim 1000 yds and it's a LOUD rifle.

A shooter on my place took a deer out with one at 400yds and cleft it's head in two, from memory the amo had 140 to 160 grains of powder, a .22 has up to 4.

If this is the rifle you mean then I have made bigger bangs with paper bags.

[Feral]

If this is the rifle you mean then I have made bigger bangs with paper bags.


Yeah, but to put it into perspective I've shot 'roos at 75 yds with a .22,....so how powerful is a .308?

That's why mentioned it, I thought a .22 would be common enough that people could draw a comparison.

I wouldn't fire a .308 without ear protection.

[Doom]

Yeah, but to put it into perspective I've shot 'roos at 75 yds with a .22,....so how powerful is a .308?

That's why mentioned it, I thought a .22 would be common enough that people could draw a comparison.

I wouldn't fire a .308 without ear protection.
I totally agree with feral on this aspect the 308 is more than able to take out a human size target with just stock ammo at or near 1000yds, and it is one hell of a noisy weapon, it can be heard from as far as 4km, in the right conditions even further, If you were 300-400yds away and it was fired just near you (10m) there would be no doubt. I have shot deer with a .270 at over 600m and even at that range the damage was nasty,and with a proper bull barrel .222-250 (much smaller bullet than the .308) and a 10X scope, I was blowing rabbits to pieces at 800m. as for the direct comparison between the two, the .22LR(long rifle) is effective on rabbits and small game out to 120m if you can shot straight, But on human or deer size targets not effective over 75 m as th bullet loses to much energy and would not penetrate effectively (lucky shots not encluded)and on penetration the .22 would go through a 1/4 inch steel plate only at point blank and only if you are lucky. As for the .308 it would be concidered effective on deer and humans out to 1000yds and smaller game even further but you would need to be one hell of a shot, as for the steel plate , 1/4" steel can be shot though at 600-700 yds depends more on the bullet weight and type but a 100 yds with the right ammo a 3/4" steel plate is no out of the question, And 1 inch at point blank.
So really if they shot at or near you, you would have no doubt and if you think that is the only rifle or equipment they have at eagle( take note these guys are NOT panty waist about this) they will have bincs and spotter scopes for obsevation and hope the dont have something crazy like a .338 magnum,.400 or even a .50 (the .50 has kills on human size targets at out to a Mile or a little more, thanks to the gulf war) So my take on this is if you want to protest(which i think is fine) dont Fu*K with them at GOLD, do it in the citys where those guys dont have sniper rifles, Please (I dont trust them not to shot) we dont want any one getting shot or killed for the cause.:no:

[Zinjifar]

I don't think anybody shot at AO. He might shoot his own feet or anyone near him, but, in this case, I don't think a sniper at Eagle gave a shit about him.

Zinj

[RolandRB]

I don't think anybody shot at AO. He might shoot his own feet or anyone near him, but, in this case, I don't think a sniper at Eagle gave a shit about him.

Zinj

But did a sniper there chamber a round and aim a gun in that direction with his finger on the trigger? Why would somebody chamber a round unless they intended to fire it?

[Dulloldfart]

And what are you basing this on?

The CofS's propensity for screwing with the legal system when they want to. For example, look at what they did with Henson.

Paulk

[Feral]

I don't think anybody shot at AO. He might shoot his own feet or anyone near him, but, in this case, I don't think a sniper at Eagle gave a shit about him.

Zinj

Sensible conclusion is sensible

[AnonOrange]

I don't think anybody shot at AO. He might shoot his own feet or anyone near him, but, in this case, I don't think a sniper at Eagle gave a shit about him.

Zinj

Please explain the gun shot then.

And to this:
"Why would somebody chamber a round unless they intended to fire it?"

Find me one sniper who thinks it's a good idea NOT to have a round in the chamber while on post. The round is always in the chamber, but the safety switch may/may not be on depending on the level of activity.

Remember, this is scientology. Not a well trained SWAT team.

[Doom]

Please explain the gun shot then.

And to this:
"Why would somebody chamber a round unless they intended to fire it?"

Find me one sniper who thinks it's a good idea NOT to have a round in the chamber while on post. The round is always in the chamber, but the safety switch may/may not be on depending on the level of activity.

Remember, this is scientology. Not a well trained SWAT team.
Well this one wont go away, So more information is needed, so to answer the first one, only a f**king nut would chamber a round (when the Target was human)but from many hours spent Hunting ( some of which could have been counted as sniping due to the ranges involved) and at those long ranges I NEVER had a round chambered and only when I had a Target would the action be racked back and then locked(and loaded) so to speak. The reasons for this are real simple when hunting at shorter ranges you would carry the rifle loaded and safe due to lack of time from the time you see a target and have to shoot( I have shot a wild pig at three feet on the run, that was real short notice).
With the longer ranges you have plenty of time to stalk and line up your target, so having the rifle loaded is not needed and its also much safer.
In the same breath no matter what any one says, a good hunter will rarely use a spotter scope (unless he is a lazy hunter) because of the time to set up the tri pod ,in other words the rifle sight will be used for spotting,and spotting with a loaded weapon is a real NO-NO.

As for the swat team thing , that they are not but they do train at the very least once a week( at least while i was around).

so you have Half trained nut cases in a snipers nest with a loaded rifle, Its possible but if so not at you(no doubt), as for the other possiblity of some in eagle shooting a hole in the roof, well rest assured he IS on the RPF now.

On a lighter note maybe he was shooting over the heads of the RPF to get them to run even faster.:nervous:

[Axiom142]

And what are you basing this on? In the US there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in public places, so vids\pics are no problem. Given that you live in a surveillance society, I would expect it to be similar in the UK.

Stop dramatizing stops....:)

In the UK, it is perfectly lawful to record video of anyone in a public place. You do not need their permission to do so. Of course there are exceptions, for example if you were pointing your camera up a Scotsman’s kilt in order to satisfy your own deviant sexual tendencies, etc. :ohmy:

What you would have to be careful of, is being seen to provoke someone into violence in order to film it. But given the desperation of Scientologists nowadays, no provocation is necessary – simply protest outside an org and tell the truth about their beloved leader.

Axiom142