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[AnonOrange]

CBS's 60 minutes will show a segment on mind reading (with what appears to be an MRI maching).

Starts right now!

[AnonOrange]

Holly Xenu, this show is amazing.

You guys have to watch this. Scary chit like I've never seen.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5119805n&tag=contentMain;cbsCarousel


I really hope some new Hubbard doesn't start using this. Unfortunately it's inevitable.

There's already a company offering the service:
http://noliemri.com/

Coming soon at your church !

[Div6]

A 3 Tesla MRI generates a magnetic field 60,000 times stringer than earths, and runs about 3 mill.......its a solution lokking for problems. Just as "lie detector" tests are inadmissable as evidence, these will be too.

[Tim Skog]

Beware the thought police.

[AnonOrange]

A 3 Tesla MRI generates a magnetic field 60,000 times stringer than earths, and runs about 3 mill.......its a solution lokking for problems. Just as "lie detector" tests are inadmissable as evidence, these will be too.

Lie detectors are presently used to issue high level security clearances. They are also used in police investigations, privately and by the Military.

And of course the only church that uses one is Scientology!

This MRI machine is no e-meter. I believe in most of what they said in the show.

[Zinjifar]

I've watched quite a bit on MRI usage for 'lie detectors', but, while it's a hell of a lot more accurate than GSR, it's also *very* prone to failure, thanks to the fact that humans are quite capable of 'false memory'. We *can* and do 'mock up' reality.

As a law enforcement device, I'd give it a 10 for intrusiveness and a '2' for 'reliability'.

Better than an e-meter? Sure. But, the US constitution guarantees a 5th amendment right against 'self-incrimination'.

Zinj

[programmer_guy]

CBS's 60 minutes will show a segment on mind reading (with what appears to be an MRI maching).

Starts right now!

Thanks for the link. That was very interesting.
I would guess that aero-space secret clearances might use this some day.
This is in the future and there will be some arguments over this.
For now, they use a life background checks as the best they can do (I got one many years ago.)

Also, MRI is nothing new. I've had an MRI for my sports back injury some years ago.

This brain scan stuff is definitely a new thing that I hadn't seen before. However, just because a person has a thought doesn't mean that it automatically translates into an action. People have mental "filters" to guard their own behavior. This stuff does not measure this at all.

[La La Lou Lou]

Dont think Scn will ever use MRI's, well except for sec checking.

You see thetans dont have brains. Brains actually dont exist.

However it would be brilliant for people who are paralised, their thoughts could still be read! This tech could make peoples lives better. It could free people trapped in bodies that dont work so they cant communicate.

On the other side I could see this being used in all kinds of scenarios to do with governments and guantanamo bays.

Scary stuff indeed!:omg:

[Dulloldfart]

It would be interesting to have a good auditor work with these guys. I assume that things that read well on a meter would show up easily on an MRI. Rather than going wow over the machine being able to distinguish between thinking of a house and a hammer, they might go JESUS CHRIST!!! over having some big withholds missed. :)

"Have you ever misused project funding?" rather than "Think of an igloo."

Paul

[AnonOrange]

I've watched quite a bit on MRI usage for 'lie detectors', but, while it's a hell of a lot more accurate than GSR, it's also *very* prone to failure, thanks to the fact that humans are quite capable of 'false memory'. We *can* and do 'mock up' reality.

As a law enforcement device, I'd give it a 10 for intrusiveness and a '2' for 'reliability'.

Better than an e-meter? Sure. But, the US constitution guarantees a 5th amendment right against 'self-incrimination'.

Zinj

The area where I think MRI Lie Checks would be accurate is to see if you've been somewhere before. When I see an online picture of a building or a room I've been in before, I definitely have this "ah" moment, which would register in the MRI. That would certainly incriminate theives and bank robbers. Constituionally, I understand they can't use it in court, but they certainly will use it to get confessions.

The one little bit I was skeptical about what when they tested the young girl. Was that the first time she went in the machine or was there baseline data established prior. Specifically was she shown these images before, while in the MRI so the computer could record the patterns and then she went in again to see if the computer could match the existing patterens in it's database? That would be much easier to do.

If the computer got 10/10 on the first shot with a random person, that's amazing. The private company they mentionned claims a 90% success rate and they expect 99% in the near future.

We're a long way from the Catholic confessionals !

PS: Zinj, if you give this machine a 2 for reliability, what do you give the e-meter ?

[Zinjifar]

PS: Zinj, if you give this machine a 2 for reliability, what do you give the e-meter ?

The '2' I'd give it would be for *courtroom* reliability. The potential for false positives is probably enough to make it unusable as 'evidence' even if it's 90% accurate. The scarier part is if cops were allowed to use it to 'build' a case, as in screening.

The e-meter's worthless in that sense too, and, certainly not as 'reliable' as the MRI, but, everything is in context too. An e-meter is most effective on somebody who *believes* it works. But, mostly, even when it's used as a 'lie detector' on Scientologists, the actual point is to scare the target into telling the truth more than in 'detecting' lies.

Zinj