PDH

[Kha Khan]

Just curious re: PDH (http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_p.htm#PDH).

Were you PDHed?

Do you personally know a person who was PDHed?

Were you ever personally told that another, specific, identifiable person was PDHed? Did you believe what you were told at the time? If so, do you still believe what you were told -- i.e., that the person was PDHed?

Were you ever told that in contemporary American society people are PDHed? Did you believe what you were told at the time? If so, do you still believe what you were told -- i.e., that in contemporary American society people are PDHed?

Do you believe that in contemporary American society individuals are PDHed? If so, why?

[The Clam]

Check out MK Ultra. But yes I was PDHed when I was 5 yrs old along with my dad who worked for Raytheon at the time.

[uniquemand]

I was PDed, but the H I'm not so sure about, and it wasn't on purpose, as far as I know. Then again, that's what I think NOW! (cue spooky music)

[Kha Khan]

But yes I was PDHed when I was 5 yrs old along with my dad who worked for Raytheon at the time.How do you know?

And why would "they" PDH a 5 year-old? Did they make you a Manchurian Candidate?

Oh, and did you believe, or have any reason to believe, you had been PDHed prior to your involvement in Scientology?

[Kha Khan]

I was PDed, but the H I'm not so sure about, and it wasn't on purpose, as far as I know. Then again, that's what I think NOW! (cue spooky music)Why do you believe you were PDed, or PDHed? How do you know?

And what do you mean when you say, "it wasn't on purpose, as far as I know?" How could it be accidental?

Oh, and did you believe, or have any reason to believe, you had been PDed or PDHed prior to your involvement in Scientology?

[uniquemand]

Well, I was in pain, and I was drugged, but I wasn't technically hypnotized. How do I know? Well, that is my memory. It wasn't on purpose, because I fell ill and was hospitalized, whereupon I was drugged. Likely the drugs save my life. I recommend being PDHed to all my friends. It's a way of life.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I think attempts were made to develop such a thing as PDH. There was a book back in the 1970s-1980s that documenting supposed cases. I forget the books name (maybe I've been PDHed), but the introduction was by the guy who wrote the book "The Manchurian Candidate." And in the book the guy made reference to LRH has a naval intelligence officer and quoted what he said about it in Science of Survival.

The way the guy found out the people were PDHed was through hypnotism. He claims to have found many soldiers who had intelligence-sensitive jobs in Vietnam and other military posts. He discoverd something suspicious when a friend he had known in Vietnam didn't remember him or his own Vietnam service.

I think the mind is still a mysterious thing, and while they may have been secret programs to develop such a thing, for the most part I think these stories are like space alien abduction stories in the sense that they are imagined.

But I know the Church heavily promoted such a thing as PDH existed.

I know there was an FCDC staff member who many years later told me he had been PDH. But he was a street person at the time and a little crazy.

I think he was accused of this by the GO. Supposedly he nattered about LRH around a Sea Org member and that started the investigation and he was routed off staff. He was interogated and routed off right away after nattering and the so called investigation came after he was gone. Needless to say he was a very good-hearted guy.

I don't know if this is true, but this is what the rumour was. But like I said years later the guy told me he had been PDHed. But how would one know unless someone later convinced them that they were.

From what I've read I don't think the stuff is reliable, but the Church jumped on the concept of it to show that they are up against bad guys and to have a convient charge against the latest "who." And the fact that the entire paradigm of PDH is from Hubbard makes it al the more suspicious.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Kha Khan]

Well, I was in pain, and I was drugged, but I wasn't technically hypnotized. How do I know? Well, that is my memory. It wasn't on purpose, because I fell ill and was hospitalized, whereupon I was drugged. Likely the drugs save my life. I recommend being PDHed to all my friends. It's a way of life.OK, I understand. That wasn't what I was trying to get at. What I was trying to get at was the COS concern about "psychs" using PDH to implant and/or control people. If there was no effort to implant or control you, it doesn't really count.

Yeah, I had a car accident, was banged up pretty good, and was in an enormous amount of pain. They gave me drugs for the pain. I really don't worry about having been PDHed or even PDed.

[Tiger Lily]

When I was getting auditing I was running slowly and the auditor asked "were you PDHed?" Apparently it indicated because he took it up. The incident that I ran was past life, 1952 in LA. It involved an IV needle, some painful drug, and verbal references to staying away from Scientology, personal insults and even a coat hanger abortion. (?! :confused2: ) After that session I was shown references about the US government PDH'ing Scientologists in 1952 because LRH was such a powerful being. I was told I needed to go to Flag for some PDH handling. I never did.

This was vague, and I don't take much stock in it, because I really felt like I was "led" to it in session. Certainly afterwards I was shown references that led me to that conclusion. So I don't consider it valid. But I thought I'd mention it because you asked about PDH and it was a huge focus of my auditing for a while.

-TL

[Pooks]

The evil psychs pdh'd me when I was 6 years old. They hypnotized me to join Scn, become a full fledged cultist, infiltrate and then leave and expose them.

At least that's what the crazy scios think.

[WrongPlaceRightTime]

My father thought he was PDHed. The very suggestion that he might be created a spiraling implosion of his mental health. He was already on shaky ground thinking that he might be the SP in his life but when the order came for him to get a PDH check he really started to change. According to my mother, he received the letter one week before Thanksgiving 2000. I was away at my first year of university and when I came home for the holiday I noticed that something was going on with my dad. He was wringing his hands and looking off pensively. The close proximity of these events later led me to believe that the PDH suggestion is what triggered the sudden lurch into darkness.

Most of you know what happened in May the following year but did I tell you about his first attempt to end his life on the day before New Year's Eve 2000?

My mother had been trying to get him on the cell phone all day long and he finally answered around 10:30 p.m. (he was expected home around 6:30). Apparently he had sat in his car all day in a parking lot. Must have been roughly 15-17 hours just sitting in the car with the engine turned off trying to freeze to death on the coldest day of the year. There has also been some mention of an attempt to cut himself but this is unclear.

Three days after my dad died I went out with some friends to get away from my mom for an evening. When I came back the dome light in my car was on and my passenger's door was slightly ajar. I had been smoking some grass so I flipped out a bit thinking spooky thoughts which prompted me to go into my mother's room to chat a bit.

We got to talking and the subject of PDH came up. This was the first I had heard of it. She said that in an auditing session my father had recalled a past life where he was either Russian or German and a member of the Secret Police. In that life time he was programed to hang himself if he "ever told" and thus she believes this recall to be the reason why he knew the "technical data" needed to carry out suicide by hanging which he accomplished on May 5, 2001. I asked my mom about this past life recall that my father had just a few months later and she had no idea what I as talking about. It really makes me wonder just how much hypnotism is going on while in session.

[uniquemand]

According to Dianetics theory, if you are in pain, and drugged, then all verbal and environmental content is recorded and acts as one long, powerful engram, whether or not there was any deliberate attempt to implant you.

[Zinjifar]

According to Dianetics theory, if you are in pain, and drugged, then all verbal and environmental content is recorded and acts as one long, powerful engram, whether or not there was any deliberate attempt to implant you.

Whatcher point? First though, it's not a 'theory'; it's a baseless assertion lacking any substantiation. But, second, the point to 'PDH' is that it's an *enemy* action; not an 'accident'.

Zinj

[Terril park]

When I was getting auditing I was running slowly and the auditor asked "were you PDHed?" Apparently it indicated because he took it up. The incident that I ran was past life, 1952 in LA. It involved an IV needle, some painful drug, and verbal references to staying away from Scientology, personal insults and even a coat hanger abortion. (?! :confused2: ) After that session I was shown references about the US government PDH'ing Scientologists in 1952 because LRH was such a powerful being. I was told I needed to go to Flag for some PDH handling. I never did.

This was vague, and I don't take much stock in it, because I really felt like I was "led" to it in session. Certainly afterwards I was shown references that led me to that conclusion. So I don't consider it valid. But I thought I'd mention it because you asked about PDH and it was a huge focus of my auditing for a while.

-TL

Told this a few times over the years.

My last auditing was what caused me to leave. A couple of intensives
that were the most traumatic experiences in god knows how many lifetimes.
On a volunteered brilliant FPRD I'd expressed some doubts re clear. Went to
St Hill for a CCRD. All about saying I wasn't clear, 1991. Eventually got the
C/S to acknowledge I was clear.

Not here making any definite statements of what clear actually is, but I later did OT 2&3 with great success and without any handling/repair re clear.

Along the way at St Hill was given an A-J check. I was even back then an
"old timer". I was an ex EO. Was OEC/FEBC. So I was quite shocked.

Passed A-J no probs.

Next was asked about my experience with a child psychologist when 3 years old. This had been looked at before, and was no issue. I was lively and my mum was in a difficult situation, husband gone, she took me there. I
was naughty. A tradition I'm proud of and still uphold. :) Came up on some
form of questions sometime somewhere. " You ever see a Psyche?"

Now I was told that I may have had PHD and no longer had recall of this.

No probs on the auditing, no issue.

That St Hill could consider that a 3 year old could be PDHed by a child psychologist when 3 years old with mum in attendance I considered
beyond any reason. never returned.

It was clear in my situation that any further auditing I'd recieve would be hostile. I'd come off the FPRD, with enormous gains, and thus there was no way I could then get a sec check.

The gains were so great I nearly recovered the ability to ext at will,
and was often denied sessions re persistent F/N or being ext. This all during the hostile C/Sing.

The tech worked.

Some assholes involved in some of the teck sucked.

[Tiger Lily]

Told this a few times over the years.

My last auditing was what caused me to leave. A couple of intensives
that were the most traumatic experiences in god knows how many lifetimes.
On a volunteered brilliant FPRD I'd expressed some doubts re clear. Went to
St Hill for a CCRD. All about saying I wasn't clear, 1991. Eventually got the
C/S to acknowledge I was clear.

Not here making any definite statements of what clear actually is, but I later did OT 2&3 with great success and without any handling/repair re clear.

Along the way at St Hill was given an A-J check. I was even back then an
"old timer". I was an ex EO. Was OEC/FEBC. So I was quite shocked.

Passed A-J no probs.

Next was asked about my experience with a child psychologist when 3 years old. This had been looked at before, and was no issue. I was lively and my mum was in a difficult situation, husband gone, she took me there. I
was naughty. A tradition I'm proud of and still uphold. :) Came up on some
form of questions sometime somewhere. " You ever see a Psyche?"

Now I was told that I may have had PHD and no longer had recall of this.

No probs on the auditing, no issue.

That St Hill could consider that a 3 year old could be PDHed by a child psychologist when 3 years old with mum in attendance I considered
beyond any reason. never returned.

It was clear in my situation that any further auditing I'd recieve would be hostile. I'd come off the FPRD, with enormous gains, and thus there was no way I could then get a sec check.

The gains were so great I nearly recovered the ability to ext at will,
and was often denied sessions re persistent F/N or being ext. This all during the hostile C/Sing.

The tech worked.

Some assholes involved in some of the teck sucked.

I had never heard of children being PDH'd (or rather that the CofS thought they were) until this thread. That whole PDH thing does make them seem rather paranoid. I wouldn't have had much faith in them either after that. It must have been hard to get out when you still had confidence in the tech. By the time I got out NOTHING was working for me, so it was easy to fade away and not look back.

-TL

[MAX YOUR CREDIT]

sorry, what's PDHed? :confused2:

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

sorry, what's PDHed? :confused2:

It means that you were exposed to psychiatry and or drugs that may have messed you up as bad as Hubbard was messed up.

[MAX YOUR CREDIT]

It means that you were exposed to psychiatry and or drugs that may have messed you up as bad as Hubbard was messed up.

Ooooohh. :ohmy:
Thank you.

No, I was never PHDed.

[Kha Khan]

sorry, what's PDHed? :confused2:Caroline Letkeman (http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1330):
PDH, 1. stands for pain drug hypnosis. It is known to some psychiatrists as a means of compelling obedience. They sometimes use it on psychotics. (LRH ED 2 US and 2WW Only) 2. pain drug hypnosis—a drug is administered to a person, the person is put into a trance and is told things. (5203CM05D)

— L. Ron Hubbard
Dianetics and Scientology Technical DictionaryXenu Directory (http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_p.htm#PDH):
PDH is Pain, Drugs, Hypnosis and Scientologists believe that the psychs use Pain, drugs and hypnosis and "implant people" with commands to destroy Scientology.

[Tiger Lily]

sorry, what's PDHed? :confused2:

The way it was explained to me:

Pain Drug Hypnosis

The psychs would allegedly drug you into submission, then administer pain to your body, while hypnotizing you and then giving you suggestions that would be very deeply laid down because of the pain and drugs. . . things like "destroy Scientology" or "you're worthless" or whatever . . . I was hoping someone had more on it because I got only a little and that was probably 15 years ago.

Supposedly it was done on purpose by the CIA in order to destroy Scientology because they (the government) were all SP's and Hubbard was foiling their dastardly plans to keep the human race enslaved. . . the "education" that I go on it said that this was happening in the ealy '50's in response to the success of DMSMH and subsequent introduction of Scientology. They supposedly hypnotized Scientologists to sabotage the Scientology organization, and this was how Hubbard explained anything that didn't "work". . . somebody had been PDHed and so was trying to destroy Scn.

God does this sound ridiculous when you try to put it in writing! :eyeroll: :no:

-TL

[The Clam]

I found out about it during an auditing session. Once it came up the incident was run many times because the church claimed I was a risk to the church.
After running the incidents I did not believe to be true, thought they may have been dub in. So one day I talked with my mom asking her questions about the time of the implants. I asked her about my dads job and she told me he worked for Raytheon on top secret projects and one day my dad out of the blue quite his job. About a week later my mom said that there were government type cars would follow us were ever we went and even parked closed to our home and just watched us. Then I asked her if my dad and I ever where missing for a few days. And she said yes and that she called the police to find out what happen to us. She said the police refused to file a report and told her that if we did n't show up in a week or so to give them a call. Two days later we show up disheveled and dirty with kind of blank stares. She said we didn't say mush for a few days them we kind went back to normals. Also prior to being abducted by the Gov. We had a great dane that was as big as a horse and very protected of my brother and I . The dog was always tied to the porch and never let roam unless my dad walked him. Out of the blue a crew of police and animal control officers show up and demand that they take the dog immediately. My dad protested but to no avail. Little history about my dad. He graduate from MIT during WW2 he worked in intellegents. After the war he worked at Raytheon and help develop high tech spy gear. Example he worked a lazer gun which you could point the lazer at a window and hear the noises and voices of the people inside a building this was in 1957. He also help develop optical systems for camera that would be mounted on jets that could take a picture of a golf ball from high in the sky and you would be able to read the brand name on the ball.
I could go on and on about the shit he developed but point being he knew a lot of the secret weapons that were being developed in the 50s. PDHing is not as uncommon as you would believe and LRH had alot to be paranoid of. If you do a little surfing on the net on MK Ultra, montauk kids,Brice Taylor you will find all kinds of documentation of CIA Mind Control.
After the second world war the US government under operation paper clip enlisted the top Nazi scientist , the ones who cared out experiments in the death camps ,and SS officers to run the mind control projects in the CIA.

[Veda]

The way it was explained to me:

Pain Drug Hypnosis

The psychs would allegedly drug you into submission, then administer pain to your body, while hypnotizing you and then giving you suggestions that would be very deeply laid down because of the pain and drugs. . . things like "destroy Scientology" or "you're worthless" or whatever . . . I was hoping someone had more on it because I got only a little and that was probably 15 years ago.

Supposedly it was done on purpose by the CIA in order to destroy Scientology because they (the government) were all SP's and Hubbard was foiling their dastardly plans to keep the human race enslaved. . . the "education" that I go on it said that this was happening in the early '50's in response to the success of DMSMH and subsequent introduction of Scientology. They supposedly hypnotized Scientologists to sabotage the Scientology organization, and this was how Hubbard explained anything that didn't "work". . . somebody had been PDHed and so was trying to destroy Scn.

God does this sound ridiculous when you try to put it in writing! :eyeroll: :no:

-TL

From confidential policy of 29 June 1971, titled only 'Confidential':

"Policy is that we assign any case or upset in Scientology to past damage and interference with the person by medicine or psychiatry."

This had been Hubbard's personal policy since the 1950s. In 1971, it became official - albeit confidential - policy.

A little more info on 'PDH':

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=54811&postcount=9

[OTBT]

Just curious re: PDH (http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_p.htm#PDH).

Were you PDHed?

Do you personally know a person who was PDHed?

Were you ever personally told that another, specific, identifiable person was PDHed? Did you believe what you were told at the time? If so, do you still believe what you were told -- i.e., that the person was PDHed?

Were you ever told that in contemporary American society people are PDHed? Did you believe what you were told at the time? If so, do you still believe what you were told -- i.e., that in contemporary American society people are PDHed?

Do you believe that in contemporary American society individuals are PDHed? If so, why?

Were you aware there was a "PDH Rundown"? I received it. About 20 years ago. Turns out I was not PDHed this lifetime. I don't remember the specific questions, but the process was run similar to a Sec Check.

DSA (who specified that I must receive this R/D and also do the PTS/PS course to F/N VGIs ) was satisfied that I was not PDHed this lifetime. Previous life PDHes were disregarded.

Hope this helps.

No, I will not discuss this further publicly. Kindly PM me if you need more info. I'll be away for a few days, should be back online by Monday.

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

The way it was explained to me:

Pain Drug Hypnosis

The psychs would allegedly drug you into submission, then administer pain to your body, while hypnotizing you and then giving you suggestions that would be very deeply laid down because of the pain and drugs. . . things like "destroy Scientology" or "you're worthless" or whatever . . . I was hoping someone had more on it because I got only a little and that was probably 15 years ago.

Supposedly it was done on purpose by the CIA in order to destroy Scientology because they (the government) were all SP's and Hubbard was foiling their dastardly plans to keep the human race enslaved. . . the "education" that I go on it said that this was happening in the ealy '50's in response to the success of DMSMH and subsequent introduction of Scientology. They supposedly hypnotized Scientologists to sabotage the Scientology organization, and this was how Hubbard explained anything that didn't "work". . . somebody had been PDHed and so was trying to destroy Scn.

God does this sound ridiculous when you try to put it in writing! :eyeroll: :no:

-TL

Yep Hubbard was worried that someone else already scrabbled your brain before his tech had a chance to do it.

[Tiger Lily]

Yep Hubbard was worried that someone else already scrabbled your brain before his tech had a chance to do it.

:roflmao: good one!

[Tiger Lily]

From confidential policy of 29 June 1971, titled only 'Confidential':

"Policy is that we assign any case or upset in Scientology to past damage and interference with the person by medicine or psychiatry."

This had been Hubbard's personal policy since the 1950s. In 1971, it became official - albeit confidential - policy.

A little more info on 'PDH':

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=54811&postcount=9

Thanks Veda -- that's great information and aligns a whole bunch of stuff for me! :)

-TL