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Reasonable
22nd July 2009, 11:38 AM
A month ago there was a webiste called
FriendsOFlrh.org

i really liked it. It showed point by point the difference between policy and DM.

It is no longer there.

If anyone copied the data from it or knows where this web site it or why it is gone pease let me know

thank you

AnonOrange
22nd July 2009, 12:34 PM
Others have tried to look for it. Did you try the Google cache or the "way back machine"?

Meanwhile enjoy this new site:
http://www.scientology-cult.com/

anon2487
22nd July 2009, 09:11 PM
Others have tried to look for it. Did you try the Google cache or the "way back machine"?
Unfortunately, partly because of the way the site was formatted, there's very little of it that's been captured by any of the caches.

I did a quick check of Coral CDN, Google, Yahoo, Live Search (MSN), Gigablast, and WebCite. [The Internet Archive/Wayback Machine only kicks in after 6 months.]

I've posted the only usable parts that I was able to find in the next post.

If anyone has bits of this site saved, I've heard a number of people request info from it now, so it would be good if you were able to post them.

Thanks.

anon2487
22nd July 2009, 09:18 PM
www.friendsoflrh.org/Section2/topics.htm (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:PyKs9nQS7KwJ:www.friendsoflrh.org/Section2/topics.htm+site:friendsoflrh.org&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

"The public stays away from orgs in droves which alter technology."

HCO Executive Letter of 1 September 1964
Technical Lectures by Other Personnel
(OEC Vol. 7, p. 1191)



www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH/Summary.htm (http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:KmhFwlJjIM8J:www.friendsoflrh.org/COBvsLRH/Summary.htm+site:friendsoflrh.org&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

1. We no longer need dictionaries.
2. The Primary Rundown is no longer available.
3. Orgs must buy new buildings, whether they can afford them or not.
4. Management no longer manages by statistics.
5. The statistics which are featured were made up.
6. COB introduced us to potential, or future, stats.
7. Saint Hill size orgs are nowhere near the size of Old Saint Hill.
8. Ideal Orgs are far from ideal.
9. COB's DVD is our primary dissemination tool.
10. The drills now used to train auditors are forbidden by LRH.
11. Training is now a matter of "just add water and mix".
12. Current Academy checksheets are the longest in history.
13. The product of Academy training has been upgraded from competence to perfection.
14. Class VIII standards are now applied to the Academy.
15. Internship standards are now applied to the Academy.
16. COB developed a way to complete Internships in two weeks; as a result, Internships now take longer than ever.
17. For the first time ever, the Pro TRs Course is a prerequisite to Academy training.
18. For the first time ever, the Upper Indocs Course is a prerequisite to Academy training.
19. For the first time ever, the Pro Metering Course is a prerequisite to Academy training.
20. For the first time ever, a course with 18 books and 280 tapes is a prerequisite to Academy training.
21. Memorization is now an essential part of training.
22. Paraphrasing is now an essential part of training.
23. COB invented a new way to memorize.
24. Auditors have to retread and retrain, even when they've done nothing wrong.
25. The co-audit route to Dianetic Case Completion or Clear is all but dead.
26. Field auditors are monitored like never before.
27. HCO Confessionals are mandatory on upstats.
28. Auditing and training are mandatory.
29. Super Power is behind target by 30 years.
30. F/Ns have been redefined.
31. Ruds take longer than ever.
32. As soon as a pc goes Clear, he needs a repair list to handle his resistiveness.
33. Most people who went Clear when LRH was on the line didn't really go Clear.
34. Once complete on New OT 7, pre-OTs need Ethics and Repair.
35. A sentence taken from a reference is the reference.
36. Word-clearing of LRH books doesn't work.
37. Confused ideas can come from someone else's MUs.
38. Point 1 of KSW, originally done by LRH in 1965, was really done by COB in 2007.
39. One can achieve full conceptual understanding without word-clearing.
40. Personal ethics is achieved largely through orders and threats.
41. Church donations are mostly charity, not exchange for org services.
42. Fundraising has replaced training and processing as the primary source of org income.
43. More money is taken in from processing than training.
44. Every staff member is a reg.
45. The second longest course in the history of Scientology teaches no auditing or other specific skills.
46. The Class VIII Course was closed for four years.
47. For every 100 Class VIIIs produced in the past, the church now produces one.


Google's full cache of the site. (http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.friendsoflrh.org&hl=en&filter=0) [To view individual pages, click on the "cache" link next to each search result.]
Unfortunately the 2 that I've quoted above, are the only usable bits that have been cached AFAICT.

Veda
22nd July 2009, 11:21 PM
Some more LRH quotes, from the same time period (early 1960s), about the same general theme:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=248385&postcount=35

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=248392&postcount=36

My favorite part of the "Friends of LRH" site is where it states that Hubbard's unpopularity (among the humanoids) was caused by "infiltrators." After all, it makes no sense that LRH would be unpopular, having "saved millions of lives," etc.

anon2487
23rd July 2009, 01:02 AM
Also not from the site, but a well put together comparison of DM and LRH nonetheless:


rebel008 (http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/scientologys-most-dangerous-enemy/)

Scientology’s most dangerous enemy

No, it’s not Anonymous. Or the Psychs. Or the Drug Companies. Or the St. Petersburg Times.

In fact, it’s an inside job.

A man who’s been working to dismantle Scientology from within for 20 years.

He first seized power by forcibly removing four senior Scientology executives who had been appointed by LRH. Through strong arm tactics, bullying, and intimidation, he gradually removed any threat to his power and assumed a self-created position that is found nowhere in LRH Policy. He accomplished his coup by taking over the only comm line to LRH during the last 5 years of his life, and flooding the line with false reports and 3rd Party to justify removing his rivals.

He solidified his power by systematically removing and de-powering anyone who personally knew and had worked with LRH, including the Hubbard family.

He single-handedly dismantled the Mission network and declared every key Mission Holder. Missions used to be huge, rivaling Orgs in their size. These days they are tiny.

He took over the Church’s movie production facility, Golden Era Productions, and began to use it almost exclusively for his own aggrandizement, producing six elaborate and expensive international events every year (a practice LRH had forbidden). For these events, videos are produced filled with lies and staged events to make it appear that Scientology is expanding, when in fact is it has been steadily shrinking since this individual took power.

He has turned Scientology’s International Base in San Jacinto, California, into a virtual slave camp, with razor wire fences, motion detectors and security guards. Staff letters and phone calls are monitored and censored, they cannot watch television, listen to the radio, or access the internet. They live in a nightmare world of sleep deprivation, intimidation, threats, and even physical abuse. Leading by example, this individual has physically attacked and beaten up scores of top Scientology executives and staff. He has forbidden staff to have children, and any woman who becomes pregnant is ordered to have an abortion. He has directly ordered scores of couples to divorce each other.

He has persuaded those under his thumb to never reveal the details of his abuse, lies and deception, as to do so would “harm Scientology.” He keeps staff and executives in line by frequent Security Checks, threatening to publicly reveal the contents of their confessions if they step out of line.

Anyone who challenges or questions his methods, or who even appears to be a power threat, is removed, de-powered, RPFed, or offloaded from the Sea Org. The Base has gone from 1,000 staff to under 400.

Since 2003, he has systematically removed all key RTC, CMO Int and Executive Strata executives, declared them “SP” and confined them to a building on the Int Base, now called “The Hole” or “The SP Hall.” RTC now consists only of this individual and his personal support staff.

This individual pays himself a six-figure salary, while Sea Org members (slaves) do his cleaning, laundry and cooking for 40 cents an hour. He enjoys $5000 suits, $500 Egyptian cotton shirts, motorcycles and cars provided by Scientology, and luxurious living quarters at the Int Base, in Los Angeles and in Clearwater. He built a huge, 70 million dollar office building for himself and his personal staff at the Int Base. He flies exclusively in private jets, and travels with his own chef, chiropracter and hairdresser.

He abandoned the LRH program of “Saint Hill Size Orgs” and instead substituted his own program of “Ideal Orgs.” This was done to cover up the fact that the “Saint Hill Size Orgs” he had created were actually frauds, artificially pumped up for the purposes of an event video, then abandoned. In fact, orgs are and have been shrinking for years.

Although LRH forbade soliciting public for donations for buildings, this individual has made that the primary push of modern Scientology, pressuring Scientologists to make huge donations, then buying up huge buildings. Many of these stand empty, some have been renovated and opened, but are largely empty of public. Staged videos (which fly in staff to make the org seem full), elaborate 3D graphic fly-throughs and glossy magazines create the impression that “Scientology is expanding,” masking the actual decline of the Church.

He has convinced Scientologists that they are incapable of disseminating, and has knocked out all public dissemination and intro lectures. Instead, he advocated that all dissemination must be done by video flat screen TVs.

He cross-ordered and destroyed the huge book campaigns that were running in the 1980’s, the campaigns that were selling millions of books and which got Dianetics on the New York Times bestseller list. He disbanded the unit responsible, and made sure no such campaign was ever run again. While LRH forbids broad public campaigns that do not sell a book, current campaigns are pure “PR.” One can no longer find LRH books in public bookstores.

He took the Church’s International Marketing Unit from 50 staff to under a dozen, removing and declaring all of the top artists, writers and designers working for the Church. Now, campaigns have to be done by outside companies.

While LRH forbade soliciting donations for anything but training and processing, this individual has set up a huge “IAS” slush fund, which uses entheta and scare tactics to pressure Scientologists to donate huge amounts to “defend Scientology.” He also convinces Scientologists to donate huge amounts for “Dissemination Campaigns” by showing them glossy ads, then runs the campaign for a few weeks and abandons it. Meanwhile the IAS has shelled out large amounts for Miscavige’s Caribbean vacations and a five-star trip to Scotland.

He has sabotaged the top of the Bridge by requiring extensive and repeated Security Checks of OTs, then using the results to blackmail them into increased donations, participation and vocal support of his programs. OTs are tightly controlled as to what they can do, think, read, and who they can associate with, practices which are completely at odds with the stated goals of “Total Freedom.”

You guessed it, Scientology’s most dangerous enemy is – its own leader, David Miscavige.

And someday, he may well go down in history as “the man who destroyed Scientology.”

Reasonable
23rd July 2009, 05:13 AM
anyone know why it was taken down?

Veda
23rd July 2009, 06:25 AM
Also not from the site, but a well put together comparison of DM and LRH nonetheless:

This is Marty Rathbun stuff. Thanks for the half truths, but Rathbun's LRH-fan-club revisionist history becomes tedious after a while. Marty only quit being Miscavige's right hand man because - by his own account, now, I think, removed from his site - he thought he couldn't get his OT levels beyond OT 8.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=263633&postcount=23

skollie
23rd July 2009, 06:41 AM
www.friendsoflrh.org is still registered so maybe it's temporarily down?


Domain Name:FRIENDSOFLRH.ORG
Created On:04-Apr-2008 09:52:00 UTC
Last Updated On:21-Jan-2009 19:32:43 UTC
Expiration Date:04-Apr-2010 09:52:00 UTC

freet43
24th July 2009, 06:02 AM
www.friendsoflrh.org is still registered so maybe it's temporarily down?

the site will be back....

in the meantime, I had previously downloaded all the pages of the training changes, and would be happy to email them to anyone who wants them

just send me your email addy by private message.

Marina

Fancy
25th July 2009, 04:45 AM
The church attacked the site's host and they were dumped.

They are supposed to be back by what I read in the freezone as was posted above.

OSA did a scare tactic to the owners of the server.

Barb

Kookaburra
26th July 2009, 03:45 PM
The church attacked the site's host and they were dumped.

They are supposed to be back by what I read in the freezone as was posted above.

OSA did a scare tactic to the owners of the server.

Barb

Well, I'm glad to know that that is all that happened. Signs of Success! DM would have hated that site.

And it was the perfect thing to make some cracks in the armor. I wish them well with finding another host quickly. It would be a good idea this time to make mirrors of the site and have them available immediately if this happens again (which it probably will, the CoS being such advocates of free speech and all).

Fancy
27th July 2009, 04:51 AM
I agree and they are supposed to be back.

Have more than one site with that data.

Barb