Australians in Scientology

[haiqu]

Hi,

My intro to Scientology was at Lee St. org in Sydney, 1975. Have also known people in ACT and Melbourne orgs, and many SO crew. I'm always happy to hear from anyone in Australia who is or was a Scientologist, regardless of current status. I regard almost all the guys I met as worth knowing over the long term.

My purposes in making myself available in this manner are:

1. To renew old friendships.
2. To make myself available as a terminal, should you need one.
3. To advise on available avenues for privately continuing your case progress.

Note that I have some auditor training, but am not offering to audit anyone personally here. However, having been in the position of needing to make some progress, and having done so successfully on my own, perhaps there's some useful data I can share to facilitate that for others.

Initial contact: PM me on this board, using any name you like. I'll provide an anonymous email address until I either get to know you, or it becomes obvious that we have met previously and trust each other. I'm not interested in getting involved in a games condition with terminals within the organisation.

All the best,

haiqu

[blondy]

I joined at Lee St in 1975 and went every weekday evening and all day Saturdays studing as an auditor up to Level 4 and had my auditing as a public member.
I met and made friends with a great bunch of guys both on and off staff.
I then went to St Hill for 7 months and went clear and up to Full OT7.
On my return I did the Dianetics C/S course which as soon as I finished became obsolete with the intro of NED. My then husband who had been in the SO years previously but had blown did his ethics thing and came on course too but after a clean ethics record I always seemed to be in Ethics with him. :confused: Of course time proved what a naughty boy he was and he was the real ethics problem. :duh:
After a few years off I returned when I moved back to Sydney in 84 and started studying in the evenings again in Castlereagh St. I did the Purif in Castlereagh St and a few other things there.
I was in a 2D with another student who only was interested in getting commisions for whatever I bought and when I stopped so did he and I. Well from there things went from bad to worse. It was at this time all the sevices increased by 10% each month and it was nigh on impossible saving for anything. Strange goings on were happening and it was at this time when rumours were rife about whether Ron was dead or not. I was also invited to a couples house who had been to the US to see for themselves stories they had heard and returned with video footage and stories to tell of what was happening in the desert. That has all been proven to be true What in fact it was was the beginning of the DM era and at that time the ship was being built in the desert and when I was being told about it and could see the video it seemed surreal. Apparently when these people were filming it heavies came out and were shooing them away.It all looked insane but sadly it was true.
The org in Sydney were desperatly getting people to take out loans they couldn't afford, for courses or auditing. Other Scios lied to enable the banks to believe the person applying could service the loan,and I should know I was one of them foolish enough to attempt to get a loan.
What a bad scene it was and so against my principles I was mad at myself for going along with it.
After that, word was out that senior staffers from St Hill were being expelled etc, a lot of them I had known when I was there and that all seemed fairytale too but yes it was true.
2 superb auditors from St Hill made their way to Sydney and I have to say I was fortunate to meet them, and after being knocked back for an $8,000 loan to do New OT4 I did it with one of these two auditors for $72 and completed it within and hour. Mmmmmmmm it could have been $8,000 an hour.
Now I was a Squirrell . At this point I wrote my resignation out from the Church. From what I hear and see now, it is not as it was and not the place I would ever want to be.
What I learnt can never be taken away. I don't regret any of it and I have made a very successful life for myself. I treat others as I would like to be treated. I keep my nose clean so to speak and just get on with enjoying my life.

[Alanzo]

Well from there things went from bad to worse. It was at this time all the sevices increased by 10% each month and it was nigh on impossible saving for anything.

Increasing 10% per month!

Tell him he's dreamin'!

[Emma]

Increasing 10% per month!

Tell him he's dreamin'!

Hmmmm..Someone has been watching "The Castle" ;)

"Suffer in ya jocks!"

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/01/28/castle_wideweb__430x293.jpg

[Alanzo]

When I saw a thread named "Australians in Scientology" I just couldn't help myself.

It might be the perfect cinematic allusion!

[Bea Kiddo]

That avatar is disturbing. ANyone else see it? (If you cant figure out what I am talking about, I am not going to explain it)

[Alanzo]

That avatar is disturbing. ANyone else see it? (If you cant figure out what I am talking about, I am not going to explain it)

I think it's a "I fart in your general direction" kind of avatar.

[Zinjifar]

I think it's a "I fart in your general direction" kind of avatar.

More like queef, if I'm seeing what Bea is...

Zinj

[Emma]

OOh jeez Zinj, I had to look that up...I wish I hadn't.

[haiqu]

Hi Blondy,


I joined at Lee St in 1975 and went every weekday evening and all day Saturdays studing as an auditor up to Level 4 and had my auditing as a public member.
I met and made friends with a great bunch of guys both on and off staff.
I then went to St Hill for 7 months and went clear and up to Full OT7.

VWD!!


On my return I did the Dianetics C/S course which as soon as I finished became obsolete with the intro of NED. My then husband who had been in the SO years previously but had blown did his ethics thing and came on course too but after a clean ethics record I always seemed to be in Ethics with him. :confused: Of course time proved what a naughty boy he was and he was the real ethics problem. :duh:

Yes, I was doing the HSDC when NED arrived. And 2D problems were fairly common. Hope your ex eventually got sorted out.


2 superb auditors from St Hill made their way to Sydney and I have to say I was fortunate to meet them, and after being knocked back for an $8,000 loan to do New OT4 I did it with one of these two auditors for $72 and completed it within and hour. Mmmmmmmm it could have been $8,000 an hour.

Damn, that's good value. :D


Now I was a Squirrell . At this point I wrote my resignation out from the Church. From what I hear and see now, it is not as it was and not the place I would ever want to be.

What I learnt can never be taken away. I don't regret any of it and I have made a very successful life for myself. I treat others as I would like to be treated. I keep my nose clean so to speak and just get on with enjoying my life.

You're absolutely right, no-one can take away your gains. You can't "have your thetan cancelled" or anything.

Good to hear from you! I was trying to guess at your identity, but couldn't from the above. But if you were around in 1975 I would almost certainly know you. PM (private message) me if you want to get in further contact.

I don't bite, much.

haiqu

[Vinaire]

I don't bite, much.

Haiqu, are you a boy or a girl?

.

[haiqu]

Haiqu, are you a boy or a girl?

.

Thetans have gender? :eyeroll:

haiqu

[Alan]

Thetans have gender? :eyeroll:

haiqu

The Avatar says haiqu is a female body part! :)

[haiqu]

The Avatar says haiqu is a female body part! :)

I can tell we're going to get along fine!

BTW, I've had a recent visit from an old friend of yours who may get in contact once he arrives home. Clue: He was on setups of the academy space while you were doing the Class VIII course.

Cheers 'n' beers,

haiqu

[Alan]

I can tell we're going to get along fine!

BTW, I've had a recent visit from an old friend of yours who may get in contact once he arrives home. Clue: He was on setups of the academy space while you were doing the Class VIII course.

Cheers 'n' beers,

haiqu



You projected his image when I read your earlier post! :)

Ozzie! Ozzie! Ozzie! Oy! Oy! Oy!

:)

Alan

[haiqu]

You projected his image when I read your earlier post! :)

Ozzie! Ozzie! Ozzie! Oy! Oy! Oy!

:)

Alan

Geez, no need to post any more messages to YOU. :)

haiqu

[blondy]

Haiqu I see made a mistake. I actually joined in 1974 not 75.
Oh well whats a year.
How do I PM you

[blondy]

AGRHHHH got it wrong. I meant, I got it wrong 74 not 75

[haiqu]

Haiqu I see made a mistake. I actually joined in 1974 not 75.
Oh well whats a year.
How do I PM you

Just click the name HAIQU in any message, there's an option to send private messages on the drop down box

Cheers,

haiqu

[blondy]

Sorry I have not been around as my harddrive crashed and I lost everything forever.
I clicked on your name but it only drops down and there is a choice of viewing your profile or seeing your posts but no way to pm you so please once again help me out here.

[blondy]

It has just made a liar of me and is now working so I will pm you

[haiqu]

Sorry I have not been around as my harddrive crashed and I lost everything forever.
I clicked on your name but it only drops down and there is a choice of viewing your profile or seeing your posts but no way to pm you so please once again help me out here.

You weren't logged in. Just for future reference!

haiqu

[mysterysandwich]

Hi,

My intro to Scientology was at Lee St. org in Sydney, 1975. Have also known people in ACT and Melbourne orgs, and many SO crew. I'm always happy to hear from anyone in Australia who is or was a Scientologist, regardless of current status. I regard almost all the guys I met as worth knowing over the long term.

My purposes in making myself available in this manner are:

1. To renew old friendships.
2. To make myself available as a terminal, should you need one.
3. To advise on available avenues for privately continuing your case progress.

Note that I have some auditor training, but am not offering to audit anyone personally here. However, having been in the position of needing to make some progress, and having done so successfully on my own, perhaps there's some useful data I can share to facilitate that for others.

Initial contact: PM me on this board, using any name you like. I'll provide an anonymous email address until I either get to know you, or it becomes obvious that we have met previously and trust each other. I'm not interested in getting involved in a games condition with terminals within the organisation.

All the best,

haiqu
I spent almost 7 years in Sydney Org in the 70's as an auditor. Fortunately. Means I was in seclusion in my room for the most part, away from the insanity of the administration. Started when the org was still in Bondi Junction, then we moved to Lee Street in the city. Was gone before the move to Castleraegh St. Lots of stories to tell:)

[haiqu]

I spent almost 7 years in Sydney Org in the 70's as an auditor. Fortunately. Means I was in seclusion in my room for the most part, away from the insanity of the administration. Started when the org was still in Bondi Junction, then we moved to Lee Street in the city. Was gone before the move to Castleraegh St. Lots of stories to tell:)

In that case, get in contact with user 'mate' on this board. He's yer ol' mate, David Graham.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=338

haiqu

[Dulloldfart]

Lots of stories to tell:)

Welcome! Start telling.... :)

Paul

[Feral]

You're on the "same page" as me Paul....literally.

Yeah mystery sandwich! I too would likie to here about you're story!

[Panda Termint]

I spent almost 7 years in Sydney Org in the 70's as an auditor. Fortunately. Means I was in seclusion in my room for the most part, away from the insanity of the administration. Started when the org was still in Bondi Junction, then we moved to Lee Street in the city. Was gone before the move to Castleraegh St. Lots of stories to tell:)
Well, I for one, recognised you straight away even without that flaming beard! Glad to see you here, mate.

[DartSmohen]

I spent almost 7 years in Sydney Org in the 70's as an auditor. Fortunately. Means I was in seclusion in my room for the most part, away from the insanity of the administration. Started when the org was still in Bondi Junction, then we moved to Lee Street in the city. Was gone before the move to Castleraegh St. Lots of stories to tell:)

I remember Bondi Junction well. The FOLO crew had a house up in Bondi , we used to eat at Pete's Bar. Pete was a raving gay with brass blond hair. The food was good. John Parselle was in charge at that time.I remember Sandy, being completely drunk, trying to order a toasted mushroom sandwich. :roflmao:

Dart

[Carmel]

Well, three Sydney exes arriving here in one hit :omg: :happydance:

Welcome people! :thumbsup:

Looking forward to hearing all the scoop. :D

[Alanzo]

The original posts in this thread are from 2007, guys.

[Panda Termint]

Ooops! I guess we missed 'em then! :D
Let's all blame Paul!

[Dulloldfart]

The original posts in this thread are from 2007, guys.

Yeah, but he just posted on the "Hi I'm Marty" thread:

I took some photos after midnight one summer, in the month of August, in a location well above the Arctic Circle.<snip>

Which you might have noticed if.... :)

Paul

[Panda Termint]

Curious and curioser! :)

[Dulloldfart]

Ooops! I guess we missed 'em then! :D
Let's all blame Paul!

I didn't want to derail Marty's thread by responding to the man there, and this was his only other post. But I admit I didn't notice the date, so Alanzo is partially correct, I hate to admit. :)

Paul

[Panda Termint]

You are one VERY smart hombre, Paul. :)
I withdraw my suggestion of blaming you for anything.

[Alanzo]

I didn't want to derail Marty's thread by responding to the man there, and this was his only other post. But I admit I didn't notice the date, so Alanzo is partially correct, I hate to admit. :)

Paul

Marty's got you in such a flitter, I understand your temporary fall from perfection.

[mysterysandwich]

I didn't want to derail Marty's thread by responding to the man there, and this was his only other post. But I admit I didn't notice the date, so Alanzo is partially correct, I hate to admit. :)

Paul

Ah yes.....my apologies for just not doing as I said. There are so many names of people to whom I am forever indebted. People whose names would mean nothing to those who were not there or to those who arrived later, but people who made huge impacts in my life during my time in Sydney in the '70's. I realized in writing to someone earlier tonight that if I do not tell their stories perhaps no one else will either. And their stories need to be told-if for no other reason than they are INTERESTING and even funny:)

Please bear with me in this. My schedule is a psychotic one.

[scooter]

Goddamn - 1979 was the year I was walked into Lee Street :D

Glad you're here and posting whenever your schedule allows - would love to hear your stories.

[Carmel]

Goddamn - 1979 was the year I was walked into Lee Street :D

Glad you're here and posting whenever your schedule allows - would love to hear your stories.

And just for the record Scoots, I'm glad that you are here and posting! :whistling:

Love from,
One of the mother hens, who loves ya the most :coolwink:

[Panda Termint]

Ah yes.....my apologies for just not doing as I said. There are so many names of people to whom I am forever indebted. People whose names would mean nothing to those who were not there or to those who arrived later, but people who made huge impacts in my life during my time in Sydney in the '70's. I realized in writing to someone earlier tonight that if I do not tell their stories perhaps no one else will either. And their stories need to be told-if for no other reason than they are INTERESTING and even funny:)

Please bear with me in this. My schedule is a psychotic one.
OK, let me throw just a few names at you;

Jan Hill
Peter Sparshott
Martin Bentley
Linnah and Kevin McPherrin
Harry Mason
Nick Cramey
Henry Vains
(I've left out the overly restimulative ones (lol) and I'll save the rest for later.)

Start talking! :D

[ttamaad]

Well, I for one, recognised you straight away even without that flaming beard! Glad to see you here, mate.

haha, I was going to say exactly the same thing... amzing how some things stay in the memory banks!!!

Good to see ya here!!!

Although I was just a newby back then, the face sticks out like dogsballs

[Once bitten]

Here are some more names:

Odette Lopes
Russell Stockdale
Luigi Paneta
Sue Cartwright
Colm O'leary
Shobes
Rob Ilich
???? Miller .... married Liia
Paul Sarkany (pronounced Sharken) & his girlfriend Tanya ???

[scooter]

Les Miller - Carmel or Grego (Supra) can fill you in on his current whereabouts.

Russel Stockdale actually came back onto Fdn staff in the 90s(?) for a few years then disappeared again.

[Alan]

The original posts in this thread are from 2007, guys.



Its called a lag or lag time Alanzo! :)

Its a business term.

As I was one of the original founders (slightly late on the chain) of the Sydney Org - you need to get the other original Oz Techies who were willing to admit to the fact they occupied a whore house about 1/2 a block from Kings Cross.

Yes the original Sydney Org was a just vacated Whore House - that was in 1961 - :)

Alan

[Panda Termint]

Here are some more names:
<...snip>

Hi OB1, It's not actually a complete list of names that I was using to lure Mystery Sandwich (though that would be a lot of fun to re-compile) into telling all. The particular names I mentioned are intended to elicit specific stories that will enthrall and electrify the ESMB audience! :D
C'mon MS, start talking.

[Panda Termint]

<...snip>
Yes the original Sydney Org was a just vacated Whore House - that was in 1961 - :)

Alan
Thriving Whorehouse > vacated Whorehouse > thriving Org > vacated Org.

That's probably as good a demonstration of the dwindling spiral in the physical universe as you'll ever see! :D

[Wisened One]

:welcome: blondy.

And....which Avatar are ya'll talkin about?! I done enabled me Avatars, and I see nuthin! :unsure:

"Queef!" :faceslap: Oh brother!....:no: :eyeroll:

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Hmm.. Disturbing avatar that is a queef in your general direction?

I feel like I missed out on sumthin'..

:screwy:

[Alan]

Hmm.. Disturbing avatar that is a queef in your general direction?

I feel like I missed out on sumthin'..

:screwy:

Dear Herr SchwinnPuck,

Talking of Avatars - I bought one of your hats today - but I can't get it to wiggle properly! :nervous:

[mysterysandwich]

ok...so how can I refuse?:)
Jan Hill

Ok…..In my opinion, Jan’s arrival and continued presence in Sydney is probably the single-most important and influencing factor behind the flourishing of the org there during the mid to late ‘70’s.
Originally on a Flag Mission to bring the then newly released Expanded Dianetics Course to Australia where she was to Supervise the first course, Jan ended up petitioning to stay on (probably because she and Steve Stevens were/became an item at the time) becoming the Senior C/S.

This was early in ’73 when the org was still in Bondi Junction in an old 2-storey house right at the “Y” between New and Old South Head Roads, across the street from the old (new at the time) Whale Car Wash. Peter Sparshott was the C/S then, William Holman the Tech Sec and course supervisor, Helen Shelton (later to become Helen Parselle) the ED (no…Rudi Eder was the ED right about then and Helen took over after he blew), Vivienne Deyes in Dissem, Margaret Tidy in HCO, Audrey Devlin the AG Sydney, Vicki Alpe in reception, Norma Carrington in Qual.

Maureen Sparshott, Peter’s wife, was in the GO so we saw little of her around the org.
Ken Smythe and Jack Smart were kind of jacks-of-all-trades. Ken seemed to live there night and day doing all of the mimeograph work. Helen Zacharuk (sp?) later to become Helen Pickett was doing her Dianetic Interneship around that time but was not on staff as far as I know-at least not then. She went off to England after marrying Frank (who had been in England at the time I arrived in Sydney in July ’72), then later was on GO staff in Sydney.

Linnah and Kevin McPherrin were arriving about this time as well (now there’s a story…later),

Cathy Daley was there (not sure what post she had) but she blew close to that time as well. She was Bevan Berry’s girlfriend at the time, I believe.

Peter Shead was in during the evenings. There was another girl there briefly whose name I cannot recall. Strange that is, because she was the one who got me to sign up to join staff(!)


Noel and Sue O’Donnell had been in Saint Hill and arrived back after the course started and Noel wound up doing the course too. Not sure about Sue, though I am quite sure she did the course at some point.

I was just finishing up my Class IV so the timing for me was perfect.
Peter and Mike Zimmatore (both on staff in Auckland) were over for the course.
Ian Lazenby was there is some capacity (not sure what) and Bill Paul was one of the auditors on staff. Cyril Holman (William’s father) was there in the evenings.
A lot of people basically did numerous posts in spite of their official positions.

Elfreide Baj-Jespersen was not on staff but audited for the org on occasion as did Jim Doone.

Those were some of the main people around at the time-at least insofar as staff members go.

Martin and Liia Bentley were still in St Hill.
Saima Gallop (Liia’s sister) and Peter Gallop along with their two children Lindy and George were around. Irenie Sanderson, Dick Backhouse, Bernie Tate….we’d see a lot of them as public PCs online.
Gerry Terpstra from Melbourne staff was doing an internship.
More names…Allen Wright, Erin Wright (Noel’s sister), Rowland Barkley, Jon Martinsen, David Broughton, Bryan and Margaret Leahy, Paul Robson, Ashley Schwartz, Michael and Ruth Groffmann.

Yeah. I have stories for every one of these people!
So that was the scene then. I know I am forgetting some names here! There were a lot of others, old-timers then and such whom I just did not see that much of at the time. Met a lot more later.






OK, let me throw just a few names at you;

Jan Hill
Peter Sparshott
Martin Bentley
Linnah and Kevin McPherrin
Harry Mason
Nick Cramey
Henry Vains
(I've left out the overly restimulative ones (lol) and I'll save the rest for later.)

Start talking! :D

[mysterysandwich]

Jan (nee Maunder) was originally from New Zealand. I don’t think we ever saw her husband (he must have been ex-husband then) as he was at Flag.

Jan had a black and white framed photo in her office of her with about two or three other students posed by and taken with L Ron himself at Flag. You can see her there quite clearly in profile –cute, small, rounded, pixie-ish, with short hair (well, near shoulder-length) and a small, slightly hooked nose, looking intently at the man himself.

What the picture doesn’t show is the color of her hair-dark brown and very straight. Or her feet and hands-small and tidy.

Though I never asked her, I was always curious as to whether she might have some Maori bloodlines. Her face was quite square seen frontally, and tending to flat like that of an islander’s and either perpetually tanned or just naturally dark.

She needed glasses. Without them, she would squint up her eyes to see things at a distance, her entire face following suit.
Wonderful, wonderful engaging laugh. Astute, puckish, perceptive, kind, generous, giving, direct, firm, intelligent, quick, witty, appreciative, determined, powerful, strong, quick-tempered, expressive, neat, bright.

She owned the tech. Had a natural grasp of how this worked. Great C/S, even brilliant at times. A great teacher in that sense. She could correct without condescension, point out specifics without being patronizing.
Oh, her temper was legendary too, however! J

I didn’t have to face it directly owing to the Ivory Tower rules and all that, but when she screamed you could hear it all over the building. And she was a terrific door-slammer. Door slam noise levels corresponded directly with her mood.

There was a time where she was particularly difficult. (I am guessing that it had a lot to do with her personal situation at the time.) Steve Stevens ended up ditching her for an attractive-and much younger girl-from New Zealand, whom he eventually married. Must have been rough for Jan for, in my memory at least, it happened quite suddenly.

The org moved in mid ’73 to an old building on Lee Street (shortest street in the city) near the Central Railway Station where we audited in a row of rooms thrown together along one wall on the second floor. Some years later, we ended up leasing the upper floors and moved the HGC there where the sound of jackhammers in the alleyway was not so distracting. By that time we could afford much improved carpet- and decent rooms- but for more than a few years we had to contend with pretty basic digs.

[mysterysandwich]

The cheap carpet was a dead give-away. That is, being utilitarian and rough, it didn’t muffle the sound of footsteps very well. We always knew when Jan was angry just by the sound of her footsteps.
You see, in order to reach the office of the C/S, one had to walk the length of the floor in a line leading directly past the door of every auditing room. Jan usually wore those Birkenstock-type sandals and hers would flop, the heels clomping to the floor with each step. The angrier she was, the louder they would flop-a near-perfect barometer of her mood. Without knowing who they belonged to, one would swear hers were the footsteps of some recalcitrant child. The speed or patter of her walk did not change significantly, only the degree of noise-the loudest clomp, clomp, clomps nearly always followed by the slamming of the door to the C/S office.

Quite a funny picture really, every one of the auditors in their respective rooms suddenly having their TRs go out, their ears now attuned to that ominous sound. Someone had managed to piss her off and you hoped to god you were not the culprit!


Did I say she could be witty too?
Standard admin practice included filling out an auditors report for each session. In the days before photocopying, all our forms were mimeographed in red or green. Often the result would be imperfect-lettering and lines smudged or double-printed, printing not square with the sheet, that sort of thing.
A form I grabbed one day had every line and every word double-printed. Instead of discarding it, on a lark, I filled everything, every line, in twiceJ
I mean everything. It just struck me as a funny thing to do.

Jan’s response….? Two written words: “Ha Ha”
I remember David Graham telling me about coming across this exchange in a folder study later and how it made him double over in laughter. J

One time while auditing a PC, I pulled up short on a process. That is to say, for whatever reason, I didn’t take it to completion. The term is called “rabbiting”……getting scared and taking off like a rabbit instead of following through.

Jan drew a full-page caricature of a rabbit on the C/S form(!) J
I didn’t forget that lesson.

Nuff said.

We got comm. eved together about 1975 in an action that nearly shut down the org for a time. But that’s another story.

And much later, auditing for a brief time in Johannesburg under a C/S whose approach was mean, dispiriting, rote, partisan, and bordering on vicious, I learned to appreciate Jan’s confident former guidance and encouragement even more. Again, another story.

Jan married Noel Mullane sometime after my stint in Sydney was completed. I read glimmerings of the circumstances of her/their departures only recently. Thankfully, I hear also that they are doing well.

So Jan…wherever you are….. thank you again for all your help. You are much appreciated and most certainly not forgotten.

[Human Again]

Steve Stevens ended up ditching her for an attractive-and much younger girl-from New Zealand, whom he eventually married.

Steve married Fleur right? Then she went off to Gold and he waited for a bit before divorcing her and marrying Julie (can't recall her previous name) whose mother was American.

[Carmel]

The original posts in this thread are from 2007, guys.

Yep, and as it turns out Mr Sweet, due to some of us being that bit out of PT (due to fires or whatever), an old ANZO-ite has come back!

All good I reckon - that's the theta universe for ya! :coolwink:

[mysterysandwich]

Steve married Fleur right? Then she went off to Gold and he waited for a bit before divorcing her and marrying Julie (can't recall her previous name) whose mother was American.

Ya. Now I remember. Her name was Fleur.
What about his first wife? Can't remember her name either.
Sandy Stevens was Steve's twin(?)
And there was another sister.
Steve Stevens Senior (Steve's father)was around the same time as Phyll Stevens (Steve Jnr's mother).

Could not imagine two more unalike individuals as Phyll and spouse. He would be in his office each morning reading the daily rag newspaper. Never actually saw him doin ganything else. Phyll on the other hand was a power house. (Man, we disliked each other!)

[Carmel]

I don't know you from a bar of soap (I came in, in early '80), but you are talking about a mentor of mine, so I'll put in my 2 cents worth.


[QUOTE=mysterysandwich;204101]ok...so how can I refuse?:)
Jan Hill

Ok…..In my opinion, Jan’s arrival and continued presence in Sydney is probably the single-most important and influencing factor behind the flourishing of the org there during the mid to late ‘70’s.
Totally real to me. :)


Peter Shead was in during the evenings. There was another girl there briefly whose name I cannot recall. Strange that is, because she was the one who got me to sign up to join staff(!)

Peter Shead was "off lines" for years. I (like a git) recovered him, after he was "off lines" for years. He is still the darling man that he was - but won't comm to us now. He doesn't see or know the scene - my heart bleeds for him now. Shit! On the other side of the coin, he is happily married to Hilary, has two kids - Lorna Jean and Oliver and is happy from all reports.


Martin and Liia Bentley were still in St Hill.
Liia and Martin split - Martin is still around, but not on lines particularly. Liia married Les Miller in the early '80's - she and he are doing well, as are their two gorgeous boys, Brendon and Angus.


Saima Gallop (Liia’s sister) and Peter Gallop along with their two children Lindy and George were around. Irenie Sanderson, Dick Backhouse, Bernie Tate….we’d see a lot of them as public PCs online.

I don't know what George is up to now, but Lindy is still on lines (a great chick) and back in Aussie now.


Gerry Terpstra from Melbourne staff was doing an internship.
More names…Allen Wright, Erin Wright (Noel’s sister), Rowland Barkley, Jon Martinsen, David Broughton, Bryan and Margaret Leahy, Paul Robson, Ashley Schwartz, Michael and Ruth Groffmann.

Erin is still in the fold - her daughter Virginia is in OSA ANZO, and Erin is right behind her.

Will look at your next posts now.

Cheers,
Carmel

[Carmel]

Jan (nee Maunder) was originally from New Zealand. I don’t think we ever saw her husband (he must have been ex-husband then) as he was at Flag.

Jan had a black and white framed photo in her office of her with about two or three other students posed by and taken with L Ron himself at Flag. You can see her there quite clearly in profile –cute, small, rounded, pixie-ish, with short hair (well, near shoulder-length) and a small, slightly hooked nose, looking intently at the man himself.

What the picture doesn’t show is the color of her hair-dark brown and very straight. Or her feet and hands-small and tidy.

Though I never asked her, I was always curious as to whether she might have some Maori bloodlines. Her face was quite square seen frontally, and tending to flat like that of an islander’s and either perpetually tanned or just naturally dark.

She needed glasses. Without them, she would squint up her eyes to see things at a distance, her entire face following suit.
Wonderful, wonderful engaging laugh. Astute, puckish, perceptive, kind, generous, giving, direct, firm, intelligent, quick, witty, appreciative, determined, powerful, strong, quick-tempered, expressive, neat, bright.

She owned the tech. Had a natural grasp of how this worked. Great C/S, even brilliant at times. A great teacher in that sense. She could correct without condescension, point out specifics without being patronizing.
Oh, her temper was legendary too, however! J

I didn’t have to face it directly owing to the Ivory Tower rules and all that, but when she screamed you could hear it all over the building. And she was a terrific door-slammer. Door slam noise levels corresponded directly with her mood.

There was a time where she was particularly difficult. (I am guessing that it had a lot to do with her personal situation at the time.) Steve Stevens ended up ditching her for an attractive-and much younger girl-from New Zealand, whom he eventually married. Must have been rough for Jan for, in my memory at least, it happened quite suddenly.

The org moved in mid ’73 to an old building on Lee Street (shortest street in the city) near the Central Railway Station where we audited in a row of rooms thrown together along one wall on the second floor. Some years later, we ended up leasing the upper floors and moved the HGC there where the sound of jackhammers in the alleyway was not so distracting. By that time we could afford much improved carpet- and decent rooms- but for more than a few years we had to contend with pretty basic digs.

Jan was a darling - and one of the most sanest, loving and personable people, that I have ever had the pleasure and fortune of knowing.

She didn't overpower with control that she could have used. She got ya to question, by asking ya ta question, and getting ya ta look! A fucking doll! Thank God for Jan!

[Carmel]

Ya. Now I remember. Her name was Fleur.
What about his first wife? Can't remember her name either.
Sandy Stevens was Steve's twin(?)
And there was another sister.
Steve Stevens Senior (Steve's father)was around the same time as Phyll Stevens (Steve Jnr's mother).

Could not imagine two more unalike individuals as Phyll and spouse. He would be in his office each morning reading the daily rag newspaper. Never actually saw him doin ganything else. Phyll on the other hand was a power house. (Man, we disliked each other!)

Sandy was Steve's step sister. Chris was Steve's twin. The three of them all grew up together as sibblings.

[scooter]

Steve married Fleur right? Then she went off to Gold and he waited for a bit before divorcing her and marrying Julie (can't recall her previous name) whose mother was American.

Julie Wendell - who later married someone else and became Julie Bazarzah (?) and then got Declared - I think from either FSO or Int.

Last time I saw Steve Stevens he was in the NOTs lounge at AOSH ANZO and his preferred companion was a Boxer dog. Good looking girl she was too ! :D Very tidy.

Allen Wright's on this board (hi Al :)).

[ttamaad]

There was also Mary Wigzell/Eade/whoever... she was married to Trevor at the time she was auditing in Lee Street.

They both came over from the mission in Christchurch and ended up on staff. Last I heard Mary was back in New Zealand being Mary.

[Human Again]

Julie Wendell - who later married someone else and became Julie Bazarzah (?) and then got Declared - I think from either FSO or Int.

Last time I saw Steve Stevens he was in the NOTs lounge at AOSH ANZO and his preferred companion was a Boxer dog. Good looking girl she was too ! :D Very tidy.

Allen Wright's on this board (hi Al :)).

Yes, Wendell! :thumbsup: They had just got married when I joined Tours. She gained so much kudos from that 2D that she was like the D/CO Tours even though she was a fairly new Reg herself. Mind you, to be fair, she was pretty good at making GI I seem to recall. But she was so much higher ont eh totem pole than long term reges like Sue McClintoch, her hubby, John Dunstan, Michelle etc. It was really clear she used her connection 100% of the time.

Julie and I never exactly got on, it seems Steve's taste hasn't changed much (ooh, ow, that is so bitchy myself I can't believe it, obviously still got some upset with Julie.) Oh, and I only met Fleur a couple of times and I have no idea if she was a bitch or not.

And Julie, since you're out now, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the environment.

[ttamaad]

Bloody Tours Org... what a hassle they were every Thursday on the Academy in Castleraegh St.

Every Thursday, they would rip students off course (in their lunch break) and hold them in the "cell" (the tours org office) trying to pry money out of them and then release them after the two oclock deadline.

Man, it was a battle... the amount of times I'd have a ... let me see... an altercation with that lot isn't worth counting... Then I'd get hit for allowing WIAC policy to be broken or my points would be down due to three students not turning up after lunch on Thursday due to the Tours Org

and now... aint it great. No more Thursday stats or altercations. Being in is a great reason for being out

[Carmel]

Yes, Wendell! :thumbsup: They had just got married when I joined Tours. She gained so much kudos from that 2D that she was like the D/CO Tours even though she was a fairly new Reg herself. Mind you, to be fair, she was pretty good at making GI I seem to recall. But she was so much higher ont eh totem pole than long term reges like Sue McClintoch, her hubby, John Dunstan, Michelle etc. It was really clear she used her connection 100% of the time.

Julie and I never exactly got on, it seems Steve's taste hasn't changed much (ooh, ow, that is so bitchy myself I can't believe it, obviously still got some upset with Julie.) Oh, and I only met Fleur a couple of times and I have no idea if she was a bitch or not.

And Julie, since you're out now, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the environment.
From my recall, Julie was a sweet enough chick. I liked her. She got caught up in the whirl wind, yes, but by the same token, Steve played the game, and he played it well. Julie wasn't the manipulator, in my books.

Fleur was an ok chick in my books too. I liked both Fleur and Julie - as I did Trish (Steve's next 2D). I liked Steve too - however (whether you are lurking here or not Steve - and I love ya all the same), I reckon Steve has a few things to answer for. Don't blame the girls - when it came to Steve, the girls weren't the one's in control.

[Human Again]

From my recall, Julie was a sweet enough chick. I liked her. She got caught up in the whirl wind, yes, but by the same token, Steve played the game, and he played it well. Julie wasn't the manipulator, in my books.



I'm sure she was fine with many people. Especially tech terminals who are the best "tags" for regging.

She was my immediate senior when I first graduated the EPF and a more traumatic time I cannot imagine. "Rightness of a being?" "ARC?" "Gradients?" None applied to juniors as far as Julie was concerned. She ripped off my face so often, I ended up with velcro to make it easier to get back on.

And I know Steve was much loved, but again, I cannot say I benefited from my association with him in any way. His laughter following me out the door after Julie had ripped into me for some non-understood violation is all too easy to recall. Shudder.

Steve and Julie were great at presenting the soft side and I saw it with others of course. But they never felt the need to be that way with me. I also got to see them cajole and laugh with staff and public while they were int he office and then disparage and tear them down when they had left. I watched them plan extact routes of conversation that would help guide someone into a reg cycle, they acted as if they saw affection as a tool to get what they needed. I am sure, if they find their way to this board, they would have nothing but derision and disgust on their face, seeing me here.

Carmel, I have no no doubt you enjoyed their company and that they were never less than fine with you. It just wasn't that way with me and you know the environment, one could never, ever say anything negative about an "upstat" senior. I was brand new SO and after the first time I went to ethics to complain about how I was treated... well I can tell you I never spoke up about them again.

[Panda Termint]

And, of course, dear old Gerry T is still plugging away as a member of the SO crew at AOSHANZO.
He remains one of my favourite people. :)

[ULRC/S]

I'd like to set the record straight on Steve Stevens (jnr).

In the early 80's he was prancing around in Armini suits and driving a obscenely expensive Porsche Turbo when the staff that were doing the real work and delivering the tech to the paying public were getting between zip and $2 a week. I used to let my pay build up for 6 weeks or so until I had enough to take some babe to the movies, and that would cover the movie tickets, no dinner and not even coffee afterwards. That had to come from my other income.

And he was also a crook, my admin is normally abismal but I was smart enough to demand full receipts for all my payments to his Tours Office for my OT Package, which is just as well because when I arrived at AOLA to do the services, not one penny had arrived from Australia, across the two years i had been paying in.

The guys at AOLA were tops, acting on the "We deliver what we promise" policy,and I got my services all OK, but they were swearing, and mine wasn't the first time this had happened either!

Regards, Allen

PS Scooter - we found what were were looking for!

[Once bitten]

I'd like to set the record straight on Steve Stevens (jnr).

In the early 80's he was prancing around in Armini suits and driving a obscenely expensive Porsche Turbo when the staff that were doing the real work and delivering the tech to the paying public were getting between zip and $2 a week. I used to let my pay build up for 6 weeks or so until I had enough to take some babe to the movies, and that would cover the movie tickets, no dinner and not even coffee afterwards. That had to come from my other income.

And he was also a crook, my admin is normally abismal but I was smart enough to demand full receipts for all my payments to his Tours Office for my OT Package, which is just as well because when I arrived at AOLA to do the services, not one penny had arrived from Australia, across the two years i had been paying in.

The guys at AOLA were tops, acting on the "We deliver what we promise" policy,and I got my services all OK, but they were swearing, and mine wasn't the first time this had happened either!

Regards, Allen

PS Scooter - we found what were were looking for!

I also would like to ack that people might have liked Steve, but I thought he was an egotistical, arrogant dictator. Billy & I worked really hard at our 'wog jobs' and we managed to save up for a stereo. (Which still goes btw, not like this imported crap). When Steve heard that we had bought a stereo Billy was hauled into his office and had his face ripped off because we didn't own a set of books. It was truly horrible. I do remember his suits and his car, and where everyone else was struggling, he acted like a complete bastard poncing around.

I've told this story before, but there was another fellow down in mimeo who accidentally left his bank book lying around and it was taken up to Steve who called for him and forced him to spend his whole bank balance on books.

Here's something funny too - Steve was raging one morning during muster, tearing strips off us all for some minor thing that had upset him, and during the rant, he was holding a clip board. His new wife, (Julie? maybe it was Fleur) had written on the back of a piece of paper on his clip board which he had now turned over to face us as he read off the next sheet, she had written 'NICE CUDDLES THIS MORNING XXXXX' in huge writing. Everyone saw. We all stood there trying to use our best TRs so as not to burst into hysterics, but as soon as he left the room everyone just gaffawed all over the floor. That kept us going for days. I don't know if anyone ever told him.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[ULRC/S]

Good one Genny. I have another funny story regarding Steve Stevens.

The deadline to get my OT package paid before the price was to rise some major amount was drawing close very fast. I had raised all I could find and couldn't see the task being achieved, So I decided to sell something I treasured to a collector who had always wanted it. I called him up and said he could have it, but I had to have cash, and I had to have it on or before Thursday morning.

He said OK, and Thursday morning he arrived with a bundle of notes, and a HUGE bag of 20 cent coins. This guy owned a couple of hamburger stands and each one had several pin ball/video games, so he had raided them to make the amount needed for the deal.

I got to Steve Steven's Tours office a couple of minutes before 2PM, and poured this huge amount of coins on his desk, saying "It's all there - trust me!"

It was and I met the deadline, but he was well put out!

Regards, Allen

[Carmel]

I get it all in regard to Steve and Julie. I saw and know well what you are talking about. In those days I felt like bopping Steve a couple of times myself(but I didn't, I just cursed at him instead). In saying that though, I saw another side too.

When Steve was out of the SO, he was a very different man. Hopefully when Julie got out, she regained what she was too.....the bright sweet thing who came into the org as a new public.

It's good for all to face up to unsavoury things that they have done. Rightly or wrongly, I think it's better that any "bashing up" over it, is left to the people themselves, although it's fair enough to state one's stance and I understand the angst in regard to these guys.

[ttamaad]

<snip>
It's good for all to face up to unsavoury things that they have done. Rightly or wrongly, I think it's better that any "bashing up" over it, is left to the people themselves, although it's fair enough to state one's stance and I understand the angst in regard to these guys.

My take on all this is.... The choice to treat anyone with disrespect is entirely up to each individual.

Scientology appears to have created a plethora of shouting maniacs who seem to think that they will be obeyed whatever the circumstance.

The trouble with this is that while it is easy to blame Scn for their outbursts and let the perpetrators themselves off, we all should be reminded that each of us has a choice as to whether we scream and shout or not.

These people chose to shout, cause upset and jump on people. I saw it happen... It happened to me. Acceptable?... No not under any circumstance, including being in scn

Maybe they are nice people now...
They still ripped people up back then....
...and some of those people now have the support to talk about what happened... should they be quiet... hell no, quietness allowed scn to become what it is now

[ttamaad]

but then again... I just recieved this in an email

Maybe someone is trying to tell me something....

Again, it shows that each choice is ours and ours alone


We all know or knew someone like this!!

One day, when I was a freshman in high school,
I saw a kid from my class was walking home from school.
His name was Kyle.
It looked like he was carrying all of his books.

I thought to myself, 'Why would anyone bring home all his books on a Friday?
He must really be a nerd.'

I had quite a weekend planned (parties and a football game with my friends tomorrow afternoon), so I shrugged my shoulders and went on.
As I was walking, I saw a bunch of kids running toward him.

They ran at him, knocking all his books out of his arms and tripping him so he landed in the dirt.
His glasses went flying, and I saw them land in the grass about ten feet from him...

He looked up and I saw this terrible sadness in his eyes

My heart went out to him. So, I jogged over to him as he crawled around looking for his glasses, and I saw a tear in his eye.

As I handed him his glasses, I said, 'Those guys are jerks.'
They really should get lives.
He looked at me and said, 'Hey thanks!'

There was a big smile on his face.
It was one of those smiles that showed real gratitude.
I helped him pick up his books, and asked him where he lived.

As it turned out, he lived near me, so I asked him why I had never seen him before..
He said he had gone to private school before now.
I would have never hung out with a private school kid before.

We talked all the way home, and I carried some of his books.
He turned out to be a pretty cool kid.
I asked him if he wanted to play a little football
with my friends
He said yes.

We hung out all weekend and the more I got to know Kyle, the more I liked him, and my friends thought the same of him.
Monday morning came, and there was Kyle with the huge stack of books again.

I stopped him and said, 'Boy, you are gonna really build some serious muscles with this pile of books everyday!
He just laughed and handed me half the books.

Over the next four years, Kyle and I became best friends..
When we were seniors we began to think about college.
Kyle decided on Georgetown and I was going to Duke.

I knew that we would always be friends, that the miles would never
be a problem.

He was going to be a doctor and I was going for business on a football scholarship..
Kyle was valedictorian of our class.
I teased him all the time about being a nerd.

He had to prepare a speech for graduation.
I was so glad it wasn't me having to get up there and speak
Graduation day, I saw Kyle.
He looked great.
He was one of those guys that really found himself during high school.
He filled out and actually looked good in glasses.
He had more dates than I had and all the girls loved him.
Boy, sometimes I was jealous!

Today was one of those days.
I could see that he was nervous about his speech.
So, I smacked him on the back and said, 'Hey, big guy, you'll be great!'
He looked at me with one of those looks (the really grateful one) and smiled.
' Thanks,' he said...

As he started his speech, he cleared his throat, and began
'Graduation is a time to thank those who helped you make it through those tough years.
Your parents, your teachers, your siblings, maybe a coach...but mostly your friends......
I am here to tell all of you that being a friend to someone is the best gift you can give them.
I am going to tell you a story.'

I just looked at my friend with disbelief as he told the
first day we met.
He had planned to kill himself over the weekend.
He talked of how he had cleaned out his locker so his Mom wouldn't have to do it later and was carrying his stuff home.
He looked hard at me and gave me a little smile.
Thankfully, I was saved.

My friend saved me from doing the unspeakable..'
I heard the gasp go through the crowd as this handsome, popular boy told us all about his weakest moment.
I saw his Mom and dad looking at me and smiling that same grateful smile.
Not until that moment did I realize it's depth.
Never underestimate the power of your actions..

With one small gesture you can change a person's life.
For better or for worse.
God puts us all in each others lives to impact one another in some way.
Look for God in others.

[mysterysandwich]

Lieutenant Commander Phyll Stevens

We did not get along at all-though she did at one point grant me Kha Khan status. Not that it did any good in the end.

I recall our first meeting. At Lee St around 1973 or 74.

Was talking with the then ED Helen Shelton (later to marry John Parselle) down in her office near reception. She indicated I should go over and meet Phyll, a “top SO exec” who had just arrived in Sydney on a mission.

So I walked over to introduce myself, offered my hand and she simply looked me up and down rather dismissively, without saying anything. I thought, “Wow. I really do not LIKE this woman.”

I was struck then by the immediacy and forcefulness of that thought.
There was little doubt in my mind that I had been viewed, assessed and rejected, so well could she project. Ya didn’t hafta be psychic to feel that wrath.

That pretty much set the tone for all future interaction between us.

Though she left me alone for the most part and we had no screaming matches to speak of (was pretty one-sided), I learned early on to be very wary of her.

Our first confrontation came not long after our first meeting. I was in the exec office trying to deal with some issue I had with Brian Rackham(Tech Sec-and there’s another fine piece of nasty work. See? I can judge harshly too! J) and suddenly Phyll is shouting at me “How dare you come in here and attack my upstat execs!!”.

Quite stunned, I turned to look at her and she shouts “DON’T TR-0 ME!”

That pretty much sealed things for me, in my own mind.

For one thing, I was not attacking at all. For another, Brian Rackham was a total prick and part of my surprise was the sudden realization that Phyll could not even see that! I thought, “holy shit! If she is so blind she can’t even see where that man is coming from, it really is going to be a me- versus-them scenario.”

And it certainly became that and remained so for the remainder of my time there.


I just hated being there so much.

To her credit, I believe Phyll did a lot of good work and was quite instrumental in “making” that org successful. But I hated never knowing from one time to the next what to expect in terms of her moods.

That’s the org “think”-that it is a positive thing to be able to express one’s current emotions without restraint or concern about repercussions. In other words, if you feel like shitting all over someone, it’s ok to do that. If they can’t deal with it, that’s their problem.

She could be positively vicious-fanaticism taken to the extreme.

Writing this, I am amazed at the sheer number of instances of abuse that come to mind. It’s almost like the attitude first exists and thereafter any action, thought, conduct, projection verbalization, etc in alignment with that attitude is somehow deemed “acceptable”. And the prevailing attitude must surely be no less than that of absolute contempt given the nature and prevalence of those abuses. This was/is endemic in the organization.

How truly bizarre.

(Pardon me. I wanted this to be a rant and instead, I am philosophizing. J)

But seriously, I think that to me, Phyll epitomized the sheer idiocy and irony of the situation. I was witness to an organization dedicated to freedom and truth being taken over by a draconian military regime! I didn’t sign up for that.


Probably Phyll’s greatest disdain was reserved not for those who left but for those even WANTING to leave. (How does that work? You treat them as slaves and when they object and want to leave you are completely indignant! Huh?)

But it’s true. It became a crime-written in policy- to even SPEAK to anyone about wanting to leave.

Forget about the terms of your contract.
You signed up for 5 years but at the end of that time could not leave unless you had a replacement.
A real catch-22.

As the only acceptable replacement could be someone with the same amount of training and experience as you, you were limited to those who had been in as long or longer than you.
You were trapped.

That happened to Noel O’Donnell. He did his 5 years after which he dared to leave in spite of her objections. His reward for those years of faithful service…? A Committee of Evidence, denial of further OT levels, etc. We slammed him. I know because I was on that Committee. To my everlasting shame, I went along with the findings mostly because I was in fear of the same thing happening to me as my time was also almost up.

You didn’t cross Phyll.




OK, let me throw just a few names at you;

Jan Hill
Peter Sparshott
Martin Bentley
Linnah and Kevin McPherrin
Harry Mason
Nick Cramey
Henry Vains
(I've left out the overly restimulative ones (lol) and I'll save the rest for later.)

Start talking! :D

[Panda Termint]

Gawd, mate, I thought you'd leave people like Phyll Stevens until much later in the unburdening process!
Thanks for the story, I agree with your opinions.
I think it was Dart who used Pol Pot in an analogy about Phyll elsewhere on the Board.

[Leon]

Interesting stories.

I knew Helen Shelton, Audrey Devlin and Rudi Eder. But where is the name of my mate Mick Parkee??? What ever happened to him? Please tell.

[mysterysandwich]

Gee....if you knew Rudi you must go back a long ways. He left/blew back in '72 and I never saw him again.
As far as Mick Parkee goes, I am afraid I don't recall the name. Was he around earlier/later? Possible he was gone when I got in in July of '72.


Interesting stories.

I knew Helen Shelton, Audrey Devlin and Rudi Eder. But where is the name of my mate Mick Parkee??? What ever happened to him? Please tell.

[mysterysandwich]

Ha! One always processes what the pc's attention is on. :)
Seriously, I am having a hard time deciding where and about whom to start with. Also, this could be turning into stories perhaps more appropriate to another thread. But whatever....it's still "Australians in Scientology" as far as I am concerned. I will probably post here until someone tells me otherwise.

One funny thing...I am not myself Australian. It's just that my scio time track takes place for the most part down under. And of course, I DO consider OZ to be my home. One of my biggest regrets is not taking out dual citizenship when I could have. That and allowing my permanent residency to expire.

Interesting to me how writing about all this IS a valid unburdening process. Or is turning out to be.
Just glad for the opportunity.


Gawd, mate, I thought you'd leave people like Phyll Stevens until much later in the unburdening process!
Thanks for the story, I agree with your opinions.
I think it was Dart who used Pol Pot in an analogy about Phyll elsewhere on the Board.

[mysterysandwich]

hmmm....now we have a thread on St Stevens:)
I didn't have any kind of run-ins with him myself. But did not really interact with him either. It did bother me that the disparity of wealth was so great, the tours guys reaping big commissions and the remaining staff virtually penniless.
And there were instances of unethical regging that I am aware of. One guy I audited from Western Australia (Geraldton) had been sold 50 hours of XDN with the promise that that would "handle his whole case". Think we spent a lot of time doing word clearing and handling his upset in discovering that he had been sold a load of goods. That really pissed me off.

One time in a meeting Phyll announced that henceforth it would be policy that all prospects were to be told about how many hours of auditing would be required to get specific results. That is, they were to be told honestly what it would realistically cost them to go up the bridge. I let out a spontaneous yelp of appreciation and she glared at me and abruptly shushed me with a "THANK YOU!" So I could see that this policy was not entirely to her liking. Hmmm..wonder what I missed on her with that one.



Yes, Wendell! :thumbsup: They had just got married when I joined Tours. She gained so much kudos from that 2D that she was like the D/CO Tours even though she was a fairly new Reg herself. Mind you, to be fair, she was pretty good at making GI I seem to recall. But she was so much higher ont eh totem pole than long term reges like Sue McClintoch, her hubby, John Dunstan, Michelle etc. It was really clear she used her connection 100% of the time.

Julie and I never exactly got on, it seems Steve's taste hasn't changed much (ooh, ow, that is so bitchy myself I can't believe it, obviously still got some upset with Julie.) Oh, and I only met Fleur a couple of times and I have no idea if she was a bitch or not.

And Julie, since you're out now, maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was the environment.

[Human Again]

I get it all in regard to Steve and Julie. I saw and know well what you are talking about. In those days I felt like bopping Steve a couple of times myself(but I didn't, I just cursed at him instead). In saying that though, I saw another side too.

When Steve was out of the SO, he was a very different man. Hopefully when Julie got out, she regained what she was too.....the bright sweet thing who came into the org as a new public.

It's good for all to face up to unsavoury things that they have done. Rightly or wrongly, I think it's better that any "bashing up" over it, is left to the people themselves, although it's fair enough to state one's stance and I understand the angst in regard to these guys.

Do you consider my post to be "bashing up" of Julie and Steve?

Perhaps I need to be more specific with my incident recall.

[sallydannce]

From my recall, Julie was a sweet enough chick. I liked her. She got caught up in the whirl wind, yes, but by the same token, Steve played the game, and he played it well. Julie wasn't the manipulator, in my books.

Fleur was an ok chick in my books too. I liked both Fleur and Julie - as I did Trish (Steve's next 2D). I liked Steve too - however (whether you are lurking here or not Steve - and I love ya all the same), I reckon Steve has a few things to answer for. Don't blame the girls - when it came to Steve, the girls weren't the one's in control.

I did not know Julie but I have been told by someone that knew her that she is now married to professional golfer Michael Campbell.

Perhaps someone would be so kind to let me know if this is the right Julie. "My person" was a bit unsure from these photos as apparently when he knew her she had dark hair.

Link to Campbell's official site: (has other photos of Julie in gallery)

http://www.cambogolf.com/gallery.cfm?pageid=cambo-pics&pic=81

[Human Again]

I did not know Julie but I have been told by someone that knew her that she is now married to professional golfer Michael Campbell.

Perhaps someone would be so kind to let me know if this is the right Julie. "My person" was a bit unsure from these photos as apparently when he knew her she had dark hair.

Link to Campbell's official site: (has other photos of Julie in gallery)

http://www.cambogolf.com/gallery.cfm?pageid=cambo-pics&pic=81


Yes. This is Julie who was Stevens who was Wendell. Her natural hair color is light brown. In this photo she is a little more recognisable to me:
http://www.cambogolf.com/gallery.cfm?pageid=cambo-pics&pic=59


Julie, Wherever you are, I wish you well. You were a cow to me but I'm over it and hold no grudges, even if memories of you can bring old hurts to the surface.

[Panda Termint]

Hi HA, re: "Do you consider my post to be "bashing up" of Julie and Steve?"
Probably not but one probably should take care with any criticism of others' actions in CofS; you never know, he/she might just be one of your favourite ESMBers.

[sallydannce]

Yes. This is Julie who was Stevens who was Wendell. Her natural hair color is light brown. In this photo she is a little more recognisable to me:
http://www.cambogolf.com/gallery.cfm?pageid=cambo-pics&pic=59


Julie, Wherever you are, I wish you well. You were a cow to me but I'm over it and hold no grudges, even if memories of you can bring old hurts to the surface.

Thanks for that Human Again - I'll tell my person.

[Human Again]

Lieutenant Commander Phyll Stevens

You didn’t cross Phyll.

Phyll was my first CO ANZO. Steve was CO TOURS, and I was recruited by Tours.. I was very surprised to find that new EPF graduates and SO members were looked at with disdain by the leaders of Scientology in ANZO. I was amazed that they didn't have a calm and assured space but seemed perpetually "under pressure", angry and looking for someone to blame. I never saw Phyll smile. Steve knew how to have a good time and joked around with public ans those staff and crew he liked. If someone got on his bad side, they were immediately on everyone's blacklist and could get brownie points by writing Krs on that person, or making a joke at their expense etc.

I never asked Steve Rule or Darnelle Bloomberg, who recuited me, why they did but I often wondered. It seemed to me that once I was there, I was unappriciated and disliked. Even when my stats were good I was never, ever "good enough". At 16/17 that is quite damaging psychologically. You'd think adults would be a llittle more mature. Today I realise it is the culture of the orgs, the COS that encouraged this disparaging, incompassionate, unforgiving attitude. People who might otherwise be quite easy to get along with had to protect themselves. That means going with the flavor of the day of the current leader. People who have a tendency to be cruel, dismissive and arrogant were patted on the back and rewarded.

[Human Again]

Hi HA, re: "Do you consider my post to be "bashing up" of Julie and Steve?"
Probably not but one probably should take care with any criticism of others' actions in CofS; you never know, he/she might just be one of your favourite ESMBers.


:yes: Ironically, that would be realy cool.

On this side of that particular interaction - I would be very ready to hear from anyone I mistreated while in the SO. If there is anyone on the board who had a bad deal from me, please let me know, I'd love the chance to apologuise. I delivered several "face rippings" and I am 100% sure all were motivated by my own insecurities, relish of power and fear of not upholding standards. Standards that I now see as false. So, it would be great to be able to converse with anone I hurt. Oh and anyone I recruited, if you're on the board and you want to have a piece of me for it, please let me know.

[Panda Termint]

Just sayin'.

[I told you I was trouble]

Interesting stories.

I knew Helen Shelton, Audrey Devlin and Rudi Eder. But where is the name of my mate Mick Parkee??? What ever happened to him? Please tell.




Originally posted by La La Lou Lou ...
Sorry to say, but I found out Phil Stannard died last year, a real shame, he was London staff then RPF and became CO Estates, lovely chap, one leg, could run twice as fast as anyone else with his crutches. Wicked sense of humour, hope he's gone on to another body, he deserved it. He was there though in the seventies if anyone could remember that far back. He was on the RPF with Mick Parkee, another human being. I think Mick's still around. keeping his head down I imagine, he always did.

...

[Alan]

Lieutenant Commander Phyll Stevens

We did not get along at all-though she did at one point grant me Kha Khan status. Not that it did any good in the end.

I recall our first meeting. At Lee St around 1973 or 74.

Was talking with the then ED Helen Shelton (later to marry John Parselle) down in her office near reception. She indicated I should go over and meet Phyll, a “top SO exec” who had just arrived in Sydney on a mission.

So I walked over to introduce myself, offered my hand and she simply looked me up and down rather dismissively, without saying anything. I thought, “Wow. I really do not LIKE this woman.”

I was struck then by the immediacy and forcefulness of that thought.
There was little doubt in my mind that I had been viewed, assessed and rejected, so well could she project. Ya didn’t hafta be psychic to feel that wrath.

That pretty much set the tone for all future interaction between us.

Though she left me alone for the most part and we had no screaming matches to speak of (was pretty one-sided), I learned early on to be very wary of her.

Our first confrontation came not long after our first meeting. I was in the exec office trying to deal with some issue I had with Brian Rackham(Tech Sec-and there’s another fine piece of nasty work. See? I can judge harshly too! J) and suddenly Phyll is shouting at me “How dare you come in here and attack my upstat execs!!”.

Quite stunned, I turned to look at her and she shouts “DON’T TR-0 ME!”

That pretty much sealed things for me, in my own mind.

For one thing, I was not attacking at all. For another, Brian Rackham was a total prick and part of my surprise was the sudden realization that Phyll could not even see that! I thought, “holy shit! If she is so blind she can’t even see where that man is coming from, it really is going to be a me- versus-them scenario.”

And it certainly became that and remained so for the remainder of my time there.


I just hated being there so much.

To her credit, I believe Phyll did a lot of good work and was quite instrumental in “making” that org successful. But I hated never knowing from one time to the next what to expect in terms of her moods.

That’s the org “think”-that it is a positive thing to be able to express one’s current emotions without restraint or concern about repercussions. In other words, if you feel like shitting all over someone, it’s ok to do that. If they can’t deal with it, that’s their problem.

She could be positively vicious-fanaticism taken to the extreme.

Writing this, I am amazed at the sheer number of instances of abuse that come to mind. It’s almost like the attitude first exists and thereafter any action, thought, conduct, projection verbalization, etc in alignment with that attitude is somehow deemed “acceptable”. And the prevailing attitude must surely be no less than that of absolute contempt given the nature and prevalence of those abuses. This was/is endemic in the organization.

How truly bizarre.

(Pardon me. I wanted this to be a rant and instead, I am philosophizing. J)

But seriously, I think that to me, Phyll epitomized the sheer idiocy and irony of the situation. I was witness to an organization dedicated to freedom and truth being taken over by a draconian military regime! I didn’t sign up for that.


Probably Phyll’s greatest disdain was reserved not for those who left but for those even WANTING to leave. (How does that work? You treat them as slaves and when they object and want to leave you are completely indignant! Huh?)

But it’s true. It became a crime-written in policy- to even SPEAK to anyone about wanting to leave.

Forget about the terms of your contract.
You signed up for 5 years but at the end of that time could not leave unless you had a replacement.
A real catch-22.

As the only acceptable replacement could be someone with the same amount of training and experience as you, you were limited to those who had been in as long or longer than you.
You were trapped.

That happened to Noel O’Donnell. He did his 5 years after which he dared to leave in spite of her objections. His reward for those years of faithful service…? A Committee of Evidence, denial of further OT levels, etc. We slammed him. I know because I was on that Committee. To my everlasting shame, I went along with the findings mostly because I was in fear of the same thing happening to me as my time was also almost up.

You didn’t cross Phyll.

Phyll and I were on the original BC Course together: I used to get Phyll Stevens to laugh every day - I would say - "Hi Phyll - well what's the latest family disaster?" - she would crack-up every time :)

[nexus100]

Hi HA, re: "Do you consider my post to be "bashing up" of Julie and Steve?"
Probably not but one probably should take care with any criticism of others' actions in CofS; you never know, he/she might just be one of your favourite ESMBers.

No you should not "take care" here. That's one of the points of the place. If someone wants to defend themselves or another they shouldn't take care, either. State what you feel within the confines of the rules of the board. The demand of writing helps sort things out. It is in and of itself a very useful process. But only if one approaches it from one's true viewpoint.

Say what you want here. If that is screw the bastards, so be it.

[Panda Termint]

Maybe I should have said "be aware that" rather than "take care". That's what I meant! :confused2:

[nexus100]

Maybe I should have said "be aware that" rather than "take care". That's what I meant! :confused2:

Honestly I don't want to seem to be attacking you. The idea of the board is one can say what one feels. I don't want any qualifiers on that freedom. Viewpoints are not always easy to digest. But one understands from doing so. A main feature of the COS was a stop on understanding other viewpoints, obviously.

One is always entitled to express personal disagreement with someone's viewpoint but any general statement about what one should or shouldn't say might give a newbie the idea that they shouldn't say something. As you stated that was not what you meant. But even the further qualifier above I disagree with. One must liive within the rules of the board, but don't be careful because someone who treated you like dirt might be reading it. My opinion.

[Panda Termint]

Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to hold to different views on this. Mine is that what's done is done. :)

[Leon]

...

Thanks. I think I was one of the few FEBC grads who managed to survive in the Orgs. Though I was kicked out for a while in '72 and '73. We were so poor at the time that a few nights I was a homeless waif. So, having a key to the Org, I slept on some cushions on the floor. I got booted out for that and some dumb other reasons - told to go and handle my situation. Came back onto the DofP post a year and a half later.

[nexus100]

Fair enough, we'll just have to agree to hold to different views on this. Mine is that what's done is done. :)

If you mean one is to forget the past this board is proof that is not a viable option for many. That may mean some redressing takes place. One has perspective when one has it, not before. If you want the last word, be my guest.

[Carmel]

Honestly I don't want to seem to be attacking you. The idea of the board is one can say what one feels. I don't want any qualifiers on that freedom. Viewpoints are not always easy to digest. But one understands from doing so. A main feature of the COS was a stop on understanding other viewpoints, obviously.

One is always entitled to express personal disagreement with someone's viewpoint but any general statement about what one should or shouldn't say might give a newbie the idea that they shouldn't say something. As you stated that was not what you meant. But even the further qualifier above I disagree with. One must liive within the rules of the board, but don't be careful because someone who treated you like dirt might be reading it. My opinion.

I agree with what you have said here, but with a qualifier.

Chat gets deleted after 12 hours, but posts remain - if one is somewhat aware of potential audiences on the board, then one is less likely to post something that they may later regret posting. Yes, we live within the rules of the board, but we also have our own perameters in regard to what effects we are willing to create and experience. Awareness of potential effects, can't be a bad thing IMO.

[ozzie]

Some info for those who might care - Steve was originally married to my sister Liz, they married at FOLO UK shortly after joining the SO there and then they were transferred to ANZO on a command team type mission. Liz became the CO FOLO ANZO and Steve did Tours.

Liz went to Flag for some handling and some training and received a letter from Steve with his wedding ring in it. That was the first she knew that he had started another relationship and this was with Fleur. Both Steve and Fleur were called to Flag to get handled. Needless to say Liz and Steve divorced and Liz spent the next so many years in a relationship with Brian Rackham.

I always thought Steve was a dip shit - sorry! But he struck me as being a bit of an arrogant SOB! He sure loved the ladies.

What a twat!

Ozzie:yes:

[nexus100]

I agree with what you have said here, but with a qualifier.

Chat gets deleted after 12 hours, but posts remain - if one is somewhat aware of potential audiences on the board, then one is less likely to post something that they may later regret posting. Yes, we live within the rules of the board, but we also have our own perameters in regard to what effects we are willing to create and experience. Awareness of potential effects, can't be a bad thing IMO.

I agree! That censorship is self directed. I am only concerned that new people to the board don't get muzzled except as they themselves, or moderators, choose to. As you well know there is a sledgehammer effect on communication in the COS, but the after effects can be subtle.

PS: Ozzie's post above is a shining example of freedom of communicaiton

[Feral]

Some info for those who might care - Steve was originally married to my sister Liz, they married at FOLO UK shortly after joining the SO there and then they were transferred to ANZO on a command team type mission. Liz became the CO FOLO ANZO and Steve did Tours.

Liz went to Flag for some handling and some training and received a letter from Steve with his wedding ring in it. That was the first she knew that he had started another relationship and this was with Fleur. Both Steve and Fleur were called to Flag to get handled. Needless to say Liz and Steve divorced and Liz spent the next so many years in a relationship with Brian Rackham.

I always thought Steve was a dip shit - sorry! But he struck me as being a bit of an arrogant SOB! He sure loved the ladies.

What a twat!

Ozzie:yes:

Geez Ozzie, Your poor sis has had a crap run with the blokes, doesn't that make it three duds? That's a trifecta!

[Panda Termint]

If you mean one is to forget the past this board is proof that is not a viable option for many. That may mean some redressing takes place. One has perspective when one has it, not before. If you want the last word, be my guest.
OK. thanks Nex.

You seem to be reading something into my post to Human Again that isn't there.

Nobody is talking about censorship except you, at least I'm not. I'm giving friendly advice to a girl I care much about. When I advise her to "take care" in what she says about individuals I'm pointing to the fact that she could well be talking about someone who is already here at ESMB and in the midst of their own healing from scn process.

I don't think any of us would wish to deliberately hurt others nor make their journey out of scn any more painful than it has to be. Human Again is a caring individual. You also strike me as a caring individual.

As to my statement, "what's done is done"; again, you seem to be assigning it a meaning different from mine. I don't mean "forget the past", if I'd meant that I would have said that.
What I mean is, accept it as having occurred. Nothing you do, here and now, will make it unhappen, you can only choose to accept it and move on or continue to wear it and suffer further. This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others.

Feel free to respond, I don't believe in last words. :)

[ttamaad]

<snip>
As to my statement, "what's done is done"; again, you seem to be assigning it a meaning different from mine. I don't mean "forget the past", if I'd meant that I would have said that.
What I mean is, accept it as having occurred. Nothing you do, here and now, will make it unhappen, you can only choose to accept it and move on or continue to wear it and suffer further. This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others.


I agree that what has happened aint going to unhappen... I would add that part of the "healing" process (if thats the right word) is stating and talking about what happened.

You, and many others, myself included, have encouraged people to tell their story and many times the story of actual events have mentioned people who were involved. Its part and parcel of the process. If those people involved are now here (for example) and going through their own process, then they have the chance to also talk about their experience and I am sure that everyone will do their utmost to support and encourage.

On a personal note... and nothing to do with any posts particularly but because this is in the Australians in Scn thread... My old man, isn't the man I once knew.. he has become a cold heartless bastard where he has tried to decimate my own (and his) family with lies and innuendos yet he feels he is right as he is in scn

He has called members of my (and his) family "Criminals" and many other derogatory statements... all untrue.

...and scn can drive a man to believe this about his own family with no actual events or reasoning, but the man himself also makes a choice. Despite it all, we are responsible for our own actions whether they be now or in the past.

*edited to add* The reason I post this is that I feel it is important for people to know about. The more people the better... if we can stop just one more person becoming involved in scn then, it is my belief that, the story is worth it. */edit*

[Panda Termint]

Yes, we each approach the journey in our own way.
We each choose our own path to wherever we're going.
That's as it should be.
As I said, "This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others."

[Free to shine]

I agree that what has happened aint going to unhappen... I would add that part of the "healing" process (if thats the right word) is stating and talking about what happened.

You, and many others, myself included, have encouraged people to tell their story and many times the story of actual events have mentioned people who were involved. Its part and parcel of the process. If those people involved are now here (for example) and going through their own process, then they have the chance to also talk about their experience and I am sure that everyone will do their utmost to support and encourage.


<snip>

*edited to add* The reason I post this is that I feel it is important for people to know about. The more people the better... if we can stop just one more person becoming involved in scn then, it is my belief that, the story is worth it. */edit*

Couldn't agree more. Not only do stories help others, they help the writer. As you put into words what happened, amazing insights and changes of viewpoint can happen. You can find yourself explaining something "on automatic" and realising that is in itself terrific progress. IMO it's the most healing thing of all to write our experiences. If they involve other people who may read them here, so much the better as the door is then open to put things into perspective and maybe sort out past events previously viewed through the scn filter.

[Carmel]

I agree! That censorship is self directed. I am only concerned that new people to the board don't get muzzled except as they themselves, or moderators, choose to. As you well know there is a sledgehammer effect on communication in the COS, but the after effects can be subtle.

PS: Ozzie's post above is a shining example of freedom of communicaiton
Yeah, fair enough. :)


<snip>
You, and many others, myself included, have encouraged people to tell their story and many times the story of actual events have mentioned people who were involved. Its part and parcel of the process. If those people involved are now here (for example) and going through their own process, then they have the chance to also talk about their experience and I am sure that everyone will do their utmost to support and encourage.
<snip>


We can all say what we want to say on this board (providing it's within the boundaries set by the rules).

Personally, I have no back off on mentioning names and telling it how it was and I like to see others doing that too (especially when those being spoken about are still "in" and doing harm - it can serve as a warning). On the other hand though, I won't always let fly on a rant that I might have with another in private, 'cause I believe I could or would find the consequences of doing so, regrettable. I think there's a difference between the two.

As I've already stated, each to their own - whatever one is comfortable with - it's all understandable.

[Free to shine]

Yes, we each approach the journey in our own way.
We each choose our own path to wherever we're going.
That's as it should be.
As I said, "This was stated simply as my personal belief, not as advice to others."

I hope one day you will share your stories.

[Free to shine]

Interesting stories.

I knew Helen Shelton, Audrey Devlin and Rudi Eder. But where is the name of my mate Mick Parkee??? What ever happened to him? Please tell.

I remember Rudi too. I think Mick ended up at SH, I was so young at the time but my memories of him include lots of laughs. DOF may know.

[Panda Termint]

I hope one day you will share your stories.
I'm sure I will. :)

[scooter]

Noel O'Donnell is running his own cleaning company in Sydney and doing fine the last I saw of him.

He was auditing OSA staff every so often and his son was on Syd F staff a few years back

Brian Rackam got Declared late 70s/early 80 and took himself off to Melbourne - I heard he's still here and back in good standing as of a few years ago.

[Emma]

Noel O'Donnell is running his own cleaning company in Sydney and doing fine the last I saw of him.

He was auditing OSA staff every so often and his son was on Syd F staff a few years back

Brian Rackam got Declared late 70s/early 80 and took himself off to Melbourne - I heard he's still here and back in good standing as of a few years ago.

A few years ago he and his wife left Melbourne to join the SO in Sydney where his son and daughter already were. But the last I heard they were all out (of the SO at least). Not sure about where they stand regarding Scio.

[Feral]

Noel O'Donnell is running his own cleaning company in Sydney and doing fine the last I saw of him.

He was auditing OSA staff every so often and his son was on Syd F staff a few years back

Brian Rackam got Declared late 70s/early 80 and took himself off to Melbourne - I heard he's still here and back in good standing as of a few years ago.

Wasn't Brian Rackham SO at AOSH ANZO around 2000?

[Feral]

Sorry Em,didn't see your post. :)

[Panda Termint]

Yes, he was, Feral.
That was probably what "getting back into good standing" entailed during the ANZO Recruiting Crusade. :D

[Emma]

Brian was back in good standing for years before he went back to the SO in around 2000. I sup'd him through some courses in the years prior to that.

He could be a standoffish sorta bloke but I quite liked him once you got passed the surly facade.

[Dulloldfart]

I remember Rudi too. I think Mick ended up at SH, I was so young at the time but my memories of him include lots of laughs. DOF may know.

Mick was the first person I spoke to when returning to SH after signing my SO contract. I signed it around lunchtime and the recruiter (Tony Bonning) said "When can you start?" I said, "Well I have to pick up some things in London so it won't be until about 6pm, is that OK?" He said it was, probably trying to keep a straight face. So I got back to Saint Hill about 7pm and apologized to Mick for being late, but he was OK about it. I was a real wimp then. I liked Mick - he was always real.

I believe he is still at SH. If you search for "Parkee" here on ESMB you'll find various mentions of him.

Paul

[degraded being]

About 2 cents worth.

I remember Phyll Stevens on tour in AK. She was scary.
Steve Stevens, (earlier with John Parselle but later with his own minions including Fleur) .....They had worked out how to suck money out of people like a high pressure vacuum cleaner. Steve S. and John Parselle seemed to have "in people" and "out people".

The cool and the uncool. The uncool were regarded with contempt even as they coughed up their dollars (or as they left the Reg office).

That is what has been in my mind as I read this thread and other threads.
The ego rubbing that came from being in someone's "in group".
And the fact that whoever we personally like, or wanted to like us, that person may have been an absolute C*** to others that they thought were worthy only of contempt.
Seems to be a common thing in the cult. Although there were some who were genuinely above that sort of thing.

[DartSmohen]

Some info for those who might care - Steve was originally married to my sister Liz, they married at FOLO UK shortly after joining the SO there and then they were transferred to ANZO on a command team type mission. Liz became the CO FOLO ANZO and Steve did Tours.

Liz went to Flag for some handling and some training and received a letter from Steve with his wedding ring in it. That was the first she knew that he had started another relationship and this was with Fleur. Both Steve and Fleur were called to Flag to get handled. Needless to say Liz and Steve divorced and Liz spent the next so many years in a relationship with Brian Rackham.

I always thought Steve was a dip shit - sorry! But he struck me as being a bit of an arrogant SOB! He sure loved the ladies.

What a twat!

Ozzie:yes:

I remember their wedding. Didn't Liz have a sister, Marion, who married one of the Allcock brothers?

Dart

[DartSmohen]

Sandy was Steve's step sister. Chris was Steve's twin. The three of them all grew up together as sibblings.

There was a fourth one, Robert, who was in the GO Finance dept.

Dart

[Carmel]

There was a fourth one, Robert, who was in the GO Finance dept.

Dart
Crikey - I never knew that, nor had ever heard of him. :confused2:

Thanks for info. :)

[ozzie]

I remember their wedding. Didn't Liz have a sister, Marion, who married one of the Allcock brothers?

Dart



Ummmm no Nettie married one of the Allcocks and she still is in - means I am Marion - how are ya? Guess I must know you then.


Ozzie:yes:

[ttamaad]

Ummmm no Nettie married one of the Allcocks and she still is in - means I am Marion - how are ya? Guess I must know you then.


Ozzie:yes:

I love it when it all comes together :happydance:

[mate]

I must be the odd man out. I knew that Mystery Sandwich had the occasional run in with Phyll, but I never had a problem with her at any time. Except of course, the time when she and Jan Mullane conspired and succeeded in trapping me into signing a Sea Org billion year contract.

Phyll, BTW, was a full commander and the last I had heard, from a posting on OCMB, she was shipped off from FSO, or more accurately dumped, in a retirement home in southern Florida, without any scientology materials or contact with the CofS.

Regards, David.

[ttamaad]

I must be the odd man out. I knew that Mystery Sandwich had the occasional run in with Phyll, but I never had a problem with her at any time.
Regards, David.

Not quite, Phyll recruited me for syd day staff when she was CO there. Then she looked after me the whole time she stayed at Syd Day and later on when she was CO ANZO... It was her idea that got the Cont TTC going and she made sure I got paid the equivilent of what I was earning in my wog job so I could supervise the Cont TTC full time.

If anything, she would go out of her way to make sure I was doing fine

[Carmel]

I must be the odd man out. I knew that Mystery Sandwich had the occasional run in with Phyll, but I never had a problem with her at any time. Except of course, the time when she and Jan Mullane conspired and succeeded in trapping me into signing a Sea Org billion year contract.

Phyll, BTW, was a full commander and the last I had heard, from a posting on OCMB, she was shipped off from FSO, or more accurately dumped, in a retirement home in southern Florida, without any scientology materials or contact with the CofS.

Regards, David.


Not quite, Phyll recruited me for syd day staff when she was CO there. Then she looked after me the whole time she stayed at Syd Day and later on when she was CO ANZO... It was her idea that got the Cont TTC going and she made sure I got paid the equivilent of what I was earning in my wog job so I could supervise the Cont TTC full time.

If anything, she would go out of her way to make sure I was doing fine

Well, when it came to Phyll, it obviously paid being a charming pretty boy. :coolwink:

Sadly, being a timid Kiwi chick certainly had its consequences. :hide:

[ULRC/S]

I never had any problems with Phyll, and I would never consider myself to be a pretty boy.

But she sure was one "on purpose" lady, like her or not. One story I heard was that in the early 70's when the 2 hour blinkless TR0 requirement came out (new newcomers, you think you got it hard?) she was ordered to TRs.

Her attitude was apparently "Fuck this Dev-T" and she just sat down for two hours, did it perfectly, said "OK?" and went back on post!

Change of subject. Anyone have recent info on Virginia Stewart? She is/was ANZO PR but recently that seems to have been covered/footbulleted by others?

Regards, Allen

[DartSmohen]

Ummmm no Nettie married one of the Allcocks and she still is in - means I am Marion - how are ya? Guess I must know you then.


Ozzie:yes:

Yes, you do.

I remember you in the Stables. You used to "model" turquoise underwear and had long blond hair.

Dart:yes: :clap:

[ozzie]

Yes, you do.

I remember you in the Stables. You used to "model" turquoise underwear and had long blond hair.

Dart:yes: :clap:

Oh my!!!! :ohmy: I certainly don't remember modeling underwear at any time - but yes I have long blonde hair then and now.

Hmmmmm now I'm really curious as to who you are!
How bout a clue?

Ozzie

[Dulloldfart]

Oh my!!!! :ohmy: I certainly don't remember modeling underwear at any time - but yes I have long blonde hair then and now.

Hmmmmm now I'm really curious as to who you are!
How bout a clue?

Ozzie

Maybe you were "modelling it" in the privacy of your room.

Some of us know who Dart is. I'm sure he will reveal himself to you by PM.

He might say who he is too. :)

Paul

[ozzie]

HAHA! Yep he did!

As far as modeling underwear - sure don't remember it - not in front of any dudes anyway.

Now I'm stuck on trying to remember my turquoise underwear..........


:confused2:

[Dulloldfart]

HAHA! Yep he did!

As far as modeling underwear - sure don't remember it - not in front of any dudes anyway.

Now I'm stuck on trying to remember my turquoise underwear..........


:confused2:

He didn't say it was YOUR turquoise underwear you were wearing. Maybe it was his.

Paul

[Human Again]

About 2 cents worth.

I remember Phyll Stevens on tour in AK. She was scary.
Steve Stevens, (earlier with John Parselle but later with his own minions including Fleur) .....They had worked out how to suck money out of people like a high pressure vacuum cleaner. Steve S. and John Parselle seemed to have "in people" and "out people".

The cool and the uncool. The uncool were regarded with contempt even as they coughed up their dollars (or as they left the Reg office).

That is what has been in my mind as I read this thread and other threads.
The ego rubbing that came from being in someone's "in group".
And the fact that whoever we personally like, or wanted to like us, that person may have been an absolute C*** to others that they thought were worthy only of contempt.
Seems to be a common thing in the cult. Although there were some who were genuinely above that sort of thing.


Oh yeah, and I have seen this in other groups too, as soon as it became aparent I absconded, the smell of "cult" being like mortien to a mozzie.

And this was with staff, public and crew. Me, well, I've never ever managed to be one of the cool ones. Guess I am just too sincere. LOL!

[Carmel]

Oh yeah, and I have seen this in other groups too, as soon as it became aparent I absconded, the smell of "cult" being like mortien to a mozzie.

And this was with staff, public and crew. Me, well, I've never ever managed to be one of the cool ones. Guess I am just too sincere. LOL!

It's funny/sad how we can sometimes get the wrong idea......when you and I first met on chat some months back (and we found out who eachother was), I wasn't sure if you'd wanna talk to me particularly or not, considering that I thought you were part of the 'cool' group, and that I wasn't. That false concept I had, got blown outta the water though, in very short order :duh:

I don't think I ever really considered that there was a "cool group" in real terms, but certainly many in the Tours Org thought they were cool, and seemed to find it difficult to 'stoop' to our level. There were exceptions of course - you being one, and Steve Rule being another for example.

All good now, but dear oh dear! After those first couple of years for me, with us lot on staff (when we were all young and broke, and an inclusive lot), things changed and there was nothing cool about anything much anymore - it was just a battle to survive it seemed. :melodramatic:

[Human Again]

It's funny/sad how we can sometimes get the wrong idea......when you and I first met on chat some months back (and we found out who eachother was), I wasn't sure if you'd wanna talk to me particularly or not, considering that I thought you were part of the 'cool' group, and that I wasn't. That false concept I had, got blown outta the water though, in very short order :duh:

I don't think I ever really considered that there was a "cool group" in real terms, but certainly many in the Tours Org thought they were cool, and seemed to find it difficult to 'stoop' to our level. There were exceptions of course - you being one, and Steve Rule being another for example.

All good now, but dear oh dear! After those first couple of years for me, with us lot on staff (when we were all young and broke, and an inclusive lot), things changed and there was nothing cool about anything much anymore - it was just a battle to survive it seemed. :melodramatic:

LOL!! Oh Carmel, you were always "cool" in my eyes and you still are! :bighug:

Tours was very elitist and you're right about Steve Rule - he was one sincere sweetheart. Sue Bloomberg - McIntosh was "cool" all the Bloomberg's were "cool" as was anyone with the surname Stevens or Denness. - and funny, other than Steve and myself everyone was so tall!

Other not so cool people were Michelle (who became Dunstan) Johnny Dunstan himself, who always had that "over my head" look when one of the cool guys took a pot shot at him, Sue's husband ( name escapes me right now but he was a very nice man). You know what... I can't think of anyone joining Tours after me. Funny that.

All that elitism had a purpose - enough "ethics presence" and you'd say "hand over your money" and they would. :omg:

[mysterysandwich]

In my Canadian High School yearbook (circa 1969), I wrote under “future plans” that I am going to Australia.

True.

So I am not an Australian. Or at least not by birth.

But in 1972, one could walk off a ship at any port in Australia, have their passport stamped-good for one year-then have it stamped again twelve months later, and twelve months later again. After the second or third time, you got an automatic permanent residency visa, good for life, provided you didn’t leave the country at any time for a period of more than 3 consecutive years.

Well, that’s how I entered the country and managed to stay on-for a period of nearly 7 years.

And though I reckon I can claim the privilege of citizenship now in my heart, alas, I failed to seek to make that status official while it was still possible for me to do so. Sadly, I allowed my permanent residency visa to expire AND didn’t act to obtain dual citizenship while that visa was still valid. Those things rank right up there as two of my biggest regrets.

So I was little more than a kid at the time of my arrival in Sydney-just 20 years old in July of ’72. I had been on my own for some time by then, having sailed for the South Pacific out of Vancouver some 6 months earlier, in the dead of winter. Had bummed around in Hawaii and Fiji for a bit, then hitch-hiked and worked all over New Zealand. But it was winter in the southern hemispheres by this time and I had had enough of the cold and wet in Wellington.

Thumbed some rides back up to Auckland where I managed to get a berthing on a ship headed to Sydney. We pulled out of port shortly after dark in the evening and I was on my way on the final leg of my journey.

The tale of my trip up to that point is a whole story in itself, but I’ll leave that for another thread.

My Scio track for the most part both begins and plays out in Sydney. And a pretty intense time that was. Basically, I walked into the Org there off the street, of my own volition, no more than a few days after arriving in Sydney. Never heard of Scientology before, bought Dianetics, read it, and two days later was asking to do a course. Called home to Canada to have all my reserve funds sent to me so I could buy the training package, did my Levels, joined staff and stayed on as an auditor in Sydney Org for over 6 years. I estimate I audited around 12,000 hours while there, in total. And that’s another story in itself too. But also one for another thread.J

I'd like to say why I love Australians(!)

Now this could be a long post. Ahem.
So….more to follow. But for now, I think a friend of mine said it best.

He says, “You know how when you are on a flight and the plane hits some major turbulence? You can always tell who on board are the Australians and who are not-especially when the turbulence is exceptionally rough. Everyone else is gasping and there’s the odd scream here and there, and even some crying, but it’s the Australians who are all going “YEE HAA!! !” :happydance:

[Zinjifar]

Heh. by the time I wanted to emigrate, the friggin Ozzies had a bunch of numerical quota things I couldn't possibly hit.

But, I still like Ozzies. I'd let one sleeep in my water-heater-closet any day, if they promised to change socks once a week.

Zinj

[Tim Skog]

Heh. by the time I wanted to emigrate, the friggin Ozzies had a bunch of numerical quota things I couldn't possibly hit.

But, I still like Ozzies. I'd let one sleeep in my water-heater-closet any day, if they promised to change socks once a week.

Zinj

Do they wear socks?

[woke up]

Anybody have stories about Linnah or Kevin McPherrin back in the 70's at Sydney Org?

[Panda Termint]

Anybody have stories about Linnah or Kevin McPherrin back in the 70's at Sydney Org?
I liked them both VERY much.

Linnah was the my Course Supe and made study an adventure and pleasure.

Kevin was "cool" (as in very with-it) to these eyes and made life interesting.
I can't recall much else about him right now except for the infamous "illegal-importation" of a Porsche (or was it a TransAM?) incident and its unfortunate consequences.

Why do you ask?

[mysterysandwich]

Anybody have stories about Linnah or Kevin McPherrin back in the 70's at Sydney Org?

I have a few :)
Summer of ’72. Well, summer in Sydney, that is. That’s when they arrived at the org there.
First thing I remember hearing about Linnah and Kevin was that a couple from the US were on their way to Sydney to take the course, so we were all excited at the prospect of these two showing up.

Both young college grads from Chicago and recently married, Kevin and Linnah had flown to Japan, planning to make their way down through South East Asia to Australia. At some point in their journey (I seem to recall) they found the book Dianetics, liked what they read, and arranged to do the course in Sydney, their intended destination.

That journey was an adventure in itself! They were such a cool couple!

Linnah arrived first actually, having hitch-hiked across Australia all the way from Perth, even managing to snag a flight in a private plane at one point. Quite a feat for a young woman alone (and pregnant!)

Kevin was still in Kupang, in Portuguese Timor, trying to sell their boat-a diesel-powered fishing vessel they bought in Singapore and sailed in (or rather, had motored in) all the way south and east through Indonesia along the Sumatran and Javanese coasts, to Bali and beyond.

They were the proverbial hippie couple. Both tanned, young and striking. Attractive, though not in a conventional sense.

Linnah was sort of a cross between a sun-bleached blonde girl-next-door and…..well, a native American or cave woman. Darryll Hannah comes to mind especially in her role in Clan of the Cave Bear. Linnah was virtually silent-very, very soft-spoken when she spoke at all. And her mode of dress was primarily arcadian. She preferred rustic adornment such as a short leather strip beaded at the end in her hair, a feather or feathers, a handmade leather, beaded pouch, that sort of thing. Though blonde, her hair was quite thick, bordering on curly, uncut and long, parted in the middle. There was nothing “Chicago” about her at all. She was not coy or seductive in any way. Just very basic, straight, sincere, and completely unsophisticated. Capable and enduring.

She rarely, if ever, wore pants. It was a dress or shorts. And she looked like she would much prefer to go barefoot at every opportunity if she could. If not that, then sandals.
I don’t know how she did it, but somehow she managed to stay perpetually tanned.

She looked like she could be quite comfortable in the absence of modern conveniences of any kind whatsoever. While pregnant, for instance, she carried the baby high and it showed no more than a round, volleyball-sized bump. You read these stories of native women leaving to go into the forest alone to give birth, then reappearing later in the day, babe in arms, quite prepared to return directly to their work. That was Linnah.

I remember Kevin the day he arrived also. He had extremely long hair, down to his waist. Fairly tall, with a big, quite distinctive nose that on anyone else would look obtrusive but on him, not.
Kevin was a swimmer in college and had the broad chest and shoulders and narrow waist and hips to show for it.
Kevin was like a cool version of the Fonze. Seriously. His laugh, his body motions…. his “look” was just cool, but somehow unaffected. There was just something about him you could not dislike.

Later on he cut his hair but it was still shoulder-length. And he was an artist of sorts. (more on that later).

A very physical guy. Big arms, always kept himself in good shape.

His is a classic rags to riches story. More on that later too.
Yeah. I have a ton of stories about them.

Very interesting lives.
Kevin later was to become quite instrumental in the exposing in court of some of the more unsavory aspects of the organization. But that was some years later.

Want to hear more?:)

[Panda Termint]

Nice description, mate, I found myself grinning all through the reading... spot on! :)
And, yes, I want to hear more!

[RogerB]

Its called a lag or lag time Alanzo! :)

Its a business term.

As I was one of the original founders (slightly late on the chain) of the Sydney Org - you need to get the other original Oz Techies who were willing to admit to the fact they occupied a whore house about 1/2 a block from Kings Cross.

Yes the original Sydney Org was a just vacated Whore House - that was in 1961 - :)

Alan

Nah . . . the original Sydney Org was in 110 Bathurst Street. HCO was set up there in around February/March 1960, and the HASI formally installed in April. I forget the name of the ol' gal who was the HCO Sec. but the first two HASI tech execs were Ross Turnbull and Ivis Lampert (later Bolger) These guys came up from Melbourne while I (with Carola and Saima below) were in Melbourne doing our HPA.

Cable Hill, Carola Veber, Saima Illison (later married Peter Gallop) and myself were the gang who began the center (late 1958 early 1959) that morphed into the org. The original location of the activity was Palings Studios (down by Martin Place and George St.)

RogerB

[skollie]

More please!

[ULRC/S]

I knew the McPherrin's but never directly worked with them as I was Fdn (evening/WE) staff and they were Day staff. But they used to throw HUGE fancy dress parties, with the theme:

"Come in your favorite valence"

WOW, did that ever get some action, there were princesses, warriors, insects, etc etc etc - all 100% "in valence".

And one party was suddenly changed in venue, I later found out because their big waterbed had sprung a major leak and flooded the apartment below, and they had to change apartments rapidly...

Great fun!

Regards, Allen

[woke up]

Wonderful! Love it. More!

[Carmel]

Wonderful! Love it. More!

I think it's wonderful too. I wasn't around in Sydney in the "Lee St" days (I first walked in to the org at Castlereagh St, the day they were moving in), but when I've heard the odd story about those old days, they've made me smile, just like this one from mysterysandwich.

Welcome to ESMB, woke up. :)

[mysterysandwich]

Nice description, mate, I found myself grinning all through the reading... spot on! :)
And, yes, I want to hear more!

….. trying to recall the opening lines in a lecture given by Ron…one I heard somewhere on the Levels where he says to the audience something like:

”None of you have communicated to more than two people in your entire lifetime……..Now, I am not saying it’s that many (general laughter), but no more than two.
The way to tell if you have really communicated with someone, is you remember them with affection.”

You’re grinning while reading? Well, I’m smiling while writing :)-surprised at just how fond my memories of those two are turning out to be.

Just the fact they chose to embark on the journey they did, for instance-taking a fishing boat down the length of Indonesia…..well, I think it is important to not gloss over it. How many people are game enough to do that? Not many, I know.

Yep. They were quite the couple.

Incidentally, Kevin now has a studio in Boca Raton, Florida.

http://www.kevinmcpherrin.com/about.htm

[mysterysandwich]

Nah . . . the original Sydney Org was in 110 Bathurst Street. HCO was set up there in around February/March 1960, and the HASI formally installed in April. I forget the name of the ol' gal who was the HCO Sec. but the first two HASI tech execs were Ross Turnbull and Ivis Lampert (later Bolger) These guys came up from Melbourne while I (with Carola and Saima below) were in Melbourne doing our HPA.

Cable Hill, Carola Veber, Saima Illison (later married Peter Gallop) and myself were the gang who began the center (late 1958 early 1959) that morphed into the org. The original location of the activity was Palings Studios (down by Martin Place and George St.)

RogerB

Carola Veber? Later to become Carola Heins (sp?)

[mysterysandwich]

I knew the McPherrin's but never directly worked with them as I was Fdn (evening/WE) staff and they were Day staff. But they used to throw HUGE fancy dress parties, with the theme:

"Come in your favorite valence"

WOW, did that ever get some action, there were princesses, warriors, insects, etc etc etc - all 100% "in valence".

And one party was suddenly changed in venue, I later found out because their big waterbed had sprung a major leak and flooded the apartment below, and they had to change apartments rapidly...

Great fun!

Regards, Allen

Yep! we all had a lot of fun at those!

[Panda Termint]

Yep! we all had a lot of fun at those!
If memory serves me correctly, Martin B always did a rather credible "Satan". :D

[Carmel]

If memory serves me correctly, Martin B always did a rather credible "Satan". :D
He looked like a bit like "Satan" without even having ta dress up, I reckon. :coolwink:

[scooter]

It didn't ALL stop in the seventies - some here will remember Dave Drake from Syd Day in the eighties.

Dave became a scio then did the trans-Siberia railway to Europe then went to the US and managed to "wander" into somewhere in LA and look at the then-unreleased KTL, LOC and various other things before being found and bonded for (I think) $1/2 million.

Dave and I had a credible plan to crash the Prime Minister's New Years Eve party on the shores of Sydney Harbour - we probably would've gotten away with it too as Dave had that ability to go somewhere and appear he really belonged there - when he did his Sunshine Rundown he had been walking the streets of Sydney and wound up a long way from the org and an off-duty limo stopped and offered him a lift back to the org. Dave of course accepted the lift from this total stranger.:D

We ended up putting it off the first year and, when the second year came, he'd left Sydney. Last time I saw him he was in Tokyo then he got declared there for trying to get money back from staff he'd helped out with their rent. Hope you make it here sometime, mate.:thumbsup:

We did a few parties in our time and had lots of fun - there were a lot in the very early eighties.:happydance:

[Carmel]

[QUOTE=scooter;308466]<snip>
Hope you make it here sometime, mate.:thumbsup:

Hear, hear! :)


We did a few parties in our time and had lots of fun - there were a lot in the very early eighties.:happydance:

We sure did, and what a great bunch of people we all had around us back then.

[RogerB]

Carola Veber? Later to become Carola Heins (sp?)

Yeh, that name seems to ring a bell. Her husband was a printing ink salesman.

Carola and I were an "item" during our time doing the Sydney center thing and in Melbourne for our HPA. Very pretty kid with lovely dark, very present eyes . . . when she looked at you, you really knew she was there. Her parents were German immigrants, and it is possible she was born in Germany.

She had been the secretary/personal assistant to the infamous Ken Dyer (or is it Dwyer) when I met her in 1958.

After the HPA, she audited in Melbourne and at one time became an H. Area Sec., not sure now whether it was Syd or Mel. When I was in Mel from around 1962 onwards, she was in Syd and holding the show on the road almost single-handedly.

She was/is quite a girl. Quite a powerhouse, lovely person. The sort of person that made the old days so wonderful, so fun, and so much a benefit to folks.

Rog

[mysterysandwich]

Wonderful! Love it. More!

Think their first place was in an apartment in Coogee, practically on the beach. Probably that was one of their main criteria for livability-proximity to the sand and water-which is not that difficult (or at least it wasn’t then) in Sydney.

The Org was in Bondi Junction at the time, in an old house right at the junction of New and Old South Head Roads. That’s a little ways from the nearest beach at Bondi but a great location nevertheless. Still, Coogee was a fair hike.

Later they rented a big house just a block from Clovelly Beach, up above just behind the cliffs. That became the destination of choice for all-in part because it was a big house and lots of people shared rooms there at one time or another-but probably more because the atmosphere was so laid-back. You just dropped in either to visit or to go to the beach, or to party. There was ALWAYS somebody there.

Kevin made prints and there were some framed, hanging on the wall. I remember one especially, done in the old Japanese style depicting waves and yin and yang symbology.
And Linnah would do a lot of tie-dyes. The kitchen was sort of a workplace on weekends for creations. Apart from a chesterfield couch and beanbag chairs, the living room was pretty much devoid of furniture. Just a big, carpeted space opening out onto a deck.

The beach was great too. Just a short walk down the street, around the corner and down along a footpath right to the sand. Clovelly is a small beach too and was quite private.

They kept the house in Clovelly even after the org moved to Lee Street in the city. That made the commute a long one but the beach was the thing. Kevin had a small Honda motorcycle to make the trip. A lot of us had something similar too. We didn’t need a car in Australia because we could ride practically every day of the year. Besides, we would never have found a place to park in the city back then.

More than a few times, when we weren’t riding and especially if we left the org late, we would walk all the way back home, taking a short cut through Centennial Park. Not as a group necessarily, just on our own or with another. It just seemed quite safe then. It was a walk of more than an hour or even two but the park was huge and there was NO ONE else about at that time of night as the park was officially closed after sunset.

I lived in that house for a short while about in 1975 during the winter in a room that housed no fewer than three other guys. No kidding. That’s another story in itself.

Linnah was the course sup at Lee Street and Kevin a reg. I think Tours got all the commissions though. If not, then most of it.

Kevin and Linnah, like the rest of us, existed way below the poverty line.

Moksha was born, as far as I know, in true Dianetic form-silently. Or at least as much as was possible. And she had a lot of barley water-just like Ron wrote about for his own kids. I can’t say how much she benefited from this but probably a lot. I know she was not a fussy baby or toddler at all. Very quiet, like her mother. Come to think of it, I don’t recall Moksha crying at all Google her now and you’ll see she turned out very beautiful-with her mother’s eyes and remnants of her father’s nose. Striking.

Linnah didn’t bother with things like strollers but opted for a papoose-like sling, carrying the baby in front. A papoose may not be an inaccurate description either because I found her/their approach to child-rearing very reminiscent of the native way-without interference of any kind. And not to say that Moksha was “raised” by an extended family as such, but she had a lot of adults around her very early in life, sharing space and activities. I was always curious as to how she might have turned out with this influence in her early life.

[mysterysandwich]

Wonderful! Love it. More!


The old YMCA used to be on Castlereagh St in the city, close to where the org is now. I found out they had a fitness class three nights a week and mentioned it to Kevin. The two of us ended up going down there at 5:30 those days after work and we got into pretty good shape. There was a half hour or so or running and calisthenics and a half hour of basketball. We couldn’t convince anyone else to come along which was a shame because almost every post in the org was a sedentary one and a lot of people smoked. Sitting in an auditing chair day after day with no exercise took its toll.


Poverty kind of catches up to you eventually. Or at least it did for Kevin and Linnah.
Kevin got arrested one day for unpaid parking fines and Linnah had to do the rounds with a hat trying to collect enough money from the other staff to bail him out. Phyll Stevens decided it was such a bad PR scene that she had him routed off staff until he could get his situation in order. That was probably the best thing that could have happened, as it turned out.

You have to understand that we in the org had gotten pretty used to living on virtually no income to speak of so just being able to go out and get a regular minimum wage job would be viewed as a huge bonus. And I suppose Kevin could have done just that, but he chose to go out on his own. He had an idea and ran with it.
This was back when T shirts were the rage and Kevin, being an artist with experience in silkscreening, figured he could silkscreen designs on t shirts and sell them on the street or in the park. He would do his own designs, build the screen and print the tshirts himself.

And it worked. They sold well.
But that was just the start.

In the course of all this, Kevin got the idea of marketing Tshirts to businesses such as boutiques and restaurants. The angle was he would use theirs or design a new logo for a business and sell them on the idea of buying a quantity of tshirts with that same logo that they could either sell or give away. Advertising for them.
He got some clients but didn’t have enough money to buy enough tshirts in bulk.
He approached me for $100 (and a number of other people), saying he needed it only for a short time, like a week or so, and would promptly pay it back. So I and I don’t know how many others lent him what we could and….true to his word, he paid us all back in full and on time. And the idea took off.

Soon he was taking minimum orders for 100 t shirts at a time and their kitchen turned into a mini factory. Linnah was screening shirt after shirt, piles and piles of them, screening each, placing each in front of an electric heater to dry briefly, then doing the next one.
The money started rolling in.
Of course, their living expenses did not change significantly and as they were accustomed to living on so little then, so it didn’t take long until……
Kevin had paid up in advance to Full OTVII for himself and Linnah, put aside enough for the trip to England AND paid for (in cash) a Porsche to be picked up at the factory in Germany when they arrived!

Kevin tells the story of going to the Auto show in Sydney shortly after finalizing the deal on his own car, and, seeing on display the same model he had just bought, climbed over the barrier to sit inside it.

You don’t do that at an auto show. Especially not if you are dressed rather non-descriptly as Kevin was at the time.
Salesmen take great offense to that.
One hustled over to chase him out but Kevin kept his cool, choosing to remain inside in spite of the man’s protests.
“I just bought one or these,” he says.

Of course the salesman didn’t believe him, threatening to make a scene. But another salesman, recognizing Kevin by this time, came over to greet him, thereby confirming his assertion of ownership.

“You can sit in there as long as you want”, he says.
Kevin says you never saw anyone change their attitude so fast as that first guy-from snobbery to servility. Or words to that effect. You get the picture.

That sure felt good, he says! :)
And I believe him.

[woke up]

Mystery Sandwich,
Your recall is superb! It brings to light those memories that are there but hidden from view then voila! Oh, yeah! I remember that!
Thank you, and please don't stop :D

[Carmel]

I'm thinking that the house you mentioned in Clovelly was the same one I lived in, in the early 80's. Was it Melrose Pde? If so, then that same house was a haven for staff members for years. :)

A lot of us had bikes then too, so the commute to Castlereagh St wasn't too bad....and besides, a couple of us worked at the Clovelly pub as a moonlight job, so that was handy, as was the beach......a great place to "chill", even though the only time for "chilling" just about, was in the early hours of the morning.

I'm enjoying all the scoop, thanks. :thumbsup:

[Panda Termint]

Mystery Sandwich,
Your recall is superb! It brings to light those memories that are there but hidden from view then voila! Oh, yeah! I remember that!
Thank you, and please don't stop :D
Yes, I agree!
I'd forgotten all about those hours spent sweating over silk-screened T-shirts! :D

[scooter]

There were a few staff who did that for living expenses on Sydney Foundation org too, although I wasn't one of them.

Brings back memories.:)

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Increasing 10% per month!

Tell him he's dreamin'!

I well remember when all the "basics" had to be repriced because the regular price hikes had made the prices so unreal that even innies wouldn't pay the price, let alone a raw public.

[mysterysandwich]

I'm thinking that the house you mentioned in Clovelly was the same one I lived in, in the early 80's. Was it Melrose Pde? If so, then that same house was a haven for staff members for years. :)

A lot of us had bikes then too, so the commute to Castlereagh St wasn't too bad....and besides, a couple of us worked at the Clovelly pub as a moonlight job, so that was handy, as was the beach......a great place to "chill", even though the only time for "chilling" just about, was in the early hours of the morning.

I'm enjoying all the scoop, thanks. :thumbsup:

Say....almost certainly it would be the same house. It WAS on Melrose Parade (if I can just recall the number....hmmm...)
Makes sense that the house would have been turned over to or taken over by others who were still living there when the McPherrins left.

If walls could talk.....
And why is any of this interesting or important? Well, to me it makes it real that the people-individuals and their relationships with other individuals-and the fact that they have lives and experiences and basically are doing the best they can with what they have regardless of their successes or failures or achievements or lack thereof, are what makes or what IS the organization.

Scientology to me is no more or no less than the sum total of the individuals in it-whether they came before or after us.
My "favorite" pcs were those (then)old-timers. People from the 50's and '60's who were brought up the hard way in the early days, those who pioneered the processes and the building of the organizations. Most had dedicated their lives to doing this but most were also used up, burnt out and spit out by the time I came in.

In my naivety, I wanted to salvage them, thinking that if they just got their cases handled with the “new” standard tech, then all would be well. And sure, we audited many, and they got wins, but they still remained on the outside looking in. Just as so many of us did from the ‘70’s. And the ‘80’s, etc, etc

It doesn’t say much for a philosophy intent on saving the planet when they cannot salvage their own members.

What I have witnessed so much is the complete failure to recognize individuals and their contributions. Worse, both they and their contributions were rejected, disparaged, made nothing of.
The simplest concept that all auditing is for the pc, for instance, got lost somehow.

Scientology tried to manage the forest by ignoring and/or destroying all the trees in it.

I thought on this a lot.
But I am not trying to resurrect the organization here. Or the past.

I am just sharing stories about people I like and knew back then-sharing the fact that they were and are important to me. And discovering in the process examples of the threads that somehow connect us all.

[RogerB]

Say....almost certainly it would be the same house. It WAS on Melrose Parade (if I can just recall the number....hmmm...)
Makes sense that the house would have been turned over to or taken over by others who were still living there when the McPherrins left.

If walls could talk.....
And why is any of this interesting or important? Well, to me it makes it real that the people-individuals and their relationships with other individuals-and the fact that they have lives and experiences and basically are doing the best they can with what they have regardless of their successes or failures or achievements or lack thereof, are what makes or what IS the organization.

Scientology to me is no more or no less than the sum total of the individuals in it-whether they came before or after us.
My "favorite" pcs were those (then)old-timers. People from the 50's and '60's who were brought up the hard way in the early days, those who pioneered the processes and the building of the organizations. Most had dedicated their lives to doing this but most were also used up, burnt out and spit out by the time I came in.

In my naivety, I wanted to salvage them, thinking that if they just got their cases handled with the “new” standard tech, then all would be well. And sure, we audited many, and they got wins, but they still remained on the outside looking in. Just as so many of us did from the ‘70’s. And the ‘80’s, etc, etc

It doesn’t say much for a philosophy intent on saving the planet when they cannot salvage their own members.

What I have witnessed so much is the complete failure to recognize individuals and their contributions. Worse, both they and their contributions were rejected, disparaged, made nothing of.
The simplest concept that all auditing is for the pc, for instance, got lost somehow.

Scientology tried to manage the forest by ignoring and/or destroying all the trees in it.

I thought on this a lot.
But I am not trying to resurrect the organization here. Or the past.

I am just sharing stories about people I like and knew back then-sharing the fact that they were and are important to me. And discovering in the process examples of the threads that somehow connect us all.

Nice post, John.

It really conveys the sentiments of the good guys who made the show worthwhile, while pointing out why the exercise was ultimately futile in the face of the way the organization is run.

It was good to read.

RogerB

[woke up]

I am so moved and really loving this thread. We seem to have enhanced one another's lives more than we knew. Thank you all :D

[mysterysandwich]

Anybody have stories about Linnah or Kevin McPherrin back in the 70's at Sydney Org?

Linnah and I co-audited up the grades and to Dianetic Completion. Or rather Expanded Dianetic Completion. This was about 1976 or so but certainly before the data about Dianetic Clear came out. Had it been after, we would not have been running any Dianetics at all.

You run Dianetics on Clear and it doesn’t run right.
We sure found that out.
Interestingly, in my case at least, the phenomena was classic. I had had huge wins in early Dianetics and things ran like a dream. Not so later on and especially not so when we tackled XDN.

Bizarre as it seems, it got to the point where, upon hearing the very first words of the first command (“Locate an incident….), I would promptly and rapidly begin going unconscious. My head would droop, and, while I could hear and be aware of what was being said, I would nevertheless become and remain completely unresponsive. And that condition persisted until Linnah would pull out the ole L3RD correction list and start assessing. The instant she got to Line 6 (“...was an implant restimulated?”), I would immediately “come to”.
And the same thing happened for every flow, for every item.
Truly bizarre.

But that was part of the problem too. The items.
Basically they were uncharged.

You see, generally the first the main process on XDN consisted of running Evil Purposes. Someone would cull all your folders for all the times when you voiced some that you had and they would be put on a list to be run later.
Problem was you were kind of at the mercy of whoever it was who did the culling. And whichever auditor it was who recorded your utterances.
A lot of times infinitive phrases were mistaken for stated intentions, auditors would misread or fail to note reads or simply misduplicate the wordings. In other words, you could later be asked to run EvPurps that weren’t even purposes, or that weren’t yours, or that were simply uncharged (never read in the first place).

As with Drug Items, EvPurps were not checked for interest before running. Normally, if an item is uncharged, one is not interested in running it. So failing to check for interest meant that a lot of items were taken up that the pc had no interest in at all. Made for hard slogging.

And in my case, the same situation persisted into the grades. I would hear the command and start going inconscious.

Of course, it all seems simple and logical in retrospect, but at the time, it must have been very frustrating for Linnah.

In fact I had this sorted out and confirmed later, in subsequent auditing.

So Linnah…..wherever you are…..I want you to know….this was NOT YOUR FAULT!!

[mysterysandwich]

Anybody have stories about Linnah or Kevin McPherrin back in the 70's at Sydney Org?

There was some magazine that came out in the 60’s in the US modeled on Mad Magazine, and in one issue they had a really funny article about made-up names, many with sexual innuendoes. You know…. like the old joke about book titles (“I Fell Off Mt Everest by Eileen Dover), but with a sexual twist.
Like:
Harry P. Ness
Hugh G. Reckshun
Zeke Steenine
Wilma Fingerdu
Mike Hunt
Connie Lingus
Phil Attio
Omar Balzache
Dick Gozinya
Bob Dwyer
Rufus Leakey
Bertha de Blues
Stu Pendasdork
Peter Gozupya

You get the picture.:eyeroll:
Kevin and I discovered we had read the same article in our respective countries some years before and had both found it to be hilarious. So we would bring these names up every now and again and have our chuckles.

Well, one time I was auditing Linnah, assessing a list of terminals (probably a Grade Zero Process), and somehow, some way, I made a Freudian slip and blurted out a name that was not even on the list: “Mike Hunt” (!) :duh:

Seriously!
The name just came out of my mouth.

It was a terminal definitely NOT on the list and I have NO idea why I said it aloud (apart from the obvious, above), and it was NOT deliberate.

Of course Linnah erupted into surprised laughter and I was stunned at what I had just done! :duh:
There we were. Her laughing and me trying to “keep my TRs in” (and frankly, knowing what I know now I would have gladly howled right along with her :) ), but I struggled not to.

To this day I can never recall that moment again without laughing out loud at the thought at the thought of it.:yes:

[mysterysandwich]

I am so moved and really loving this thread. We seem to have enhanced one another's lives more than we knew. Thank you all :D

:yes:

[mysterysandwich]

Nice post, John.

It really conveys the sentiments of the good guys who made the show worthwhile, while pointing out why the exercise was ultimately futile in the face of the way the organization is run.

It was good to read.

RogerB

Thank you Roger. And yes. You said it well, in a nutshell here.

[woke up]

There was some magazine that came out in the 60’s in the US modeled on Mad Magazine, and in one issue they had a really funny article about made-up names, many with sexual innuendoes. You know…. like the old joke about book titles (“I Fell Off Mt Everest by Eileen Dover), but with a sexual twist.
Like:
Harry P. Ness
Hugh G. Reckshun
Zeke Steenine
Wilma Fingerdu
Mike Hunt
Connie Lingus
Phil Attio
Omar Balzache
Dick Gozinya
Bob Dwyer
Rufus Leakey
Bertha de Blues
Stu Pendasdork
Peter Gozupya

You get the picture.:eyeroll:
Kevin and I discovered we had read the same article in our respective countries some years before and had both found it to be hilarious. So we would bring these names up every now and again and have our chuckles.

Well, one time I was auditing Linnah, assessing a list of terminals (probably a Grade Zero Process), and somehow, some way, I made a Freudian slip and blurted out a name that was not even on the list: “Mike Hunt” (!) :duh:

Seriously!
The name just came out of my mouth.

It was a terminal definitely NOT on the list and I have NO idea why I said it aloud (apart from the obvious, above), and it was NOT deliberate.

Of course Linnah erupted into surprised laughter and I was stunned at what I had just done! :duh:
There we were. Her laughing and me trying to “keep my TRs in” (and frankly, knowing what I know now I would have gladly howled right along with her :) ), but I struggled not to.

To this day I can never recall that moment again without laughing out loud at the thought at the thought of it.:yes:

Omigod, that is HILARIOUS! Wouldn't it have been awesome if auditors had been allowed to be in TOTAL ARC with their PC and just yuck it up for a couple minutes?!

[woke up]

Well that would explain a whole lot! And it is super:happydance: that it got sorted out later.

[RogerB]

Linnah and I co-audited up the grades and to Dianetic Completion. Or rather Expanded Dianetic Completion. This was about 1976 or so but certainly before the data about Dianetic Clear came out. Had it been after, we would not have been running any Dianetics at all.

You run Dianetics on Clear and it doesn’t run right.
We sure found that out.
Interestingly, in my case at least, the phenomena was classic. I had had huge wins in early Dianetics and things ran like a dream. Not so later on and especially not so when we tackled XDN.

Bizarre as it seems, it got to the point where, upon hearing the very first words of the first command (“Locate an incident….), I would promptly and rapidly begin going unconscious. My head would droop, and, while I could hear and be aware of what was being said, I would nevertheless become and remain completely unresponsive. And that condition persisted until Linnah would pull out the ole L3RD correction list and start assessing. The instant she got to Line 6 (“...was an implant restimulated?”), I would immediately “come to”.
And the same thing happened for every flow, for every item.
Truly bizarre.

But that was part of the problem too. The items.
Basically they were uncharged.

You see, generally the first the main process on XDN consisted of running Evil Purposes. Someone would cull all your folders for all the times when you voiced some that you had and they would be put on a list to be run later.
Problem was you were kind of at the mercy of whoever it was who did the culling. And whichever auditor it was who recorded your utterances.
A lot of times infinitive phrases were mistaken for stated intentions, auditors would misread or fail to note reads or simply misduplicate the wordings. In other words, you could later be asked to run EvPurps that weren’t even purposes, or that weren’t yours, or that were simply uncharged (never read in the first place).

As with Drug Items, EvPurps were not checked for interest before running. Normally, if an item is uncharged, one is not interested in running it. So failing to check for interest meant that a lot of items were taken up that the pc had no interest in at all. Made for hard slogging.

And in my case, the same situation persisted into the grades. I would hear the command and start going inconscious.

Of course, it all seems simple and logical in retrospect, but at the time, it must have been very frustrating for Linnah.

In fact I had this sorted out and confirmed later, in subsequent auditing.

So Linnah…..wherever you are…..I want you to know….this was NOT YOUR FAULT!!

John,

This spoke volumes to me and, I suspect, it might to many others on the board. (And I now know why you were so interested in "line-plots" when Alan was last on his "Opening Pandora's Box" thread :yes: )

The presentation I did in Pasadena might give you an insight or two when it is up. We should talk after you've seen it.

Rog

[nw2394]

The presentation I did in Pasadena might give you an insight or two when it is up. We should talk after you've seen it.


That would be good to see.

Nick

[mysterysandwich]

He looked like a bit like "Satan" without even having ta dress up, I reckon. :coolwink:

During the Melbourne Inquiry in the '60's when Scientology got banned, a number of people were protesting outside the court house and Martin made the headlines in a major newspaper with a closeup, full frontal photo of his face, glaring at the camera. The headline?
"THIS IS THE FACE OF SCIENTOLOGY!"

I have never seen it myself (Martin told me the story). But I can imagine!
Those dark, baleful, glowering eyes, tidy black bearded chin, thin face and gaunt features....the editor must have LOVED it! :)

[mysterysandwich]

John,

This spoke volumes to me and, I suspect, it might to many others on the board. (And I now know why you were so interested in "line-plots" when Alan was last on his "Opening Pandora's Box" thread :yes: )

The presentation I did in Pasadena might give you an insight or two when it is up. We should talk after you've seen it.

Rog

Sure.
This following may be a topic for a different thread, but it does involve Kevin.
You see, he was never able to successfully run Dianetics-which is probably significant in his later public disaffection with it that I have yet to write about-but I thought his situation differed from the usual in that he had difficulty from the outset.

In my experience, most problems in running Dianetics came as a result of people being overrun. That is, being run on Dn after going clear, or certainly after having had major wins. It was unusual for people to never have good luck with it. Well, unless they were overwhelm cases in which they needed a lot of Objectives and lighter processes like ARC Straightwire, recalls, etc.

But Kevin did not fit this latter category.

I have found that some people, artists in particular, do not necessarily view time as a linear concept. This was first brought to my attention in NLP Time Line Therapy where they in fact establish first of all how each client DOES view time.

It could be that Dn ceases to work after Clear simply because, or in part at least , one then gets out of the time stream. As such, Dianetic procedure would no longer parallel the client’s constructs.

Alan refers to this also, I believe, in his definition of Presence Time. One does not “go back” in time. Everything is here now, in the present, and we access it, or not. And one being fully present simply has a “present time” that expands to include a larger and larger spectrum.

Just musing.

[woke up]

[QUOTE=mysterysandwich;314139]Sure.
This following may be a topic for a different thread, but it does involve Kevin.
You see, he was never able to successfully run Dianetics-which is probably significant in his later public disaffection with it that I have yet to write about-but I thought his situation differed from the usual in that he had difficulty from the outset.

That's interesting. Didn't know Kevin had such a hard time in session; wondered why he never got around to doing the SHSBC or upper levels either. He remained pretty much the same high-energy artistic type that he was in college, pre-Scn.

[mysterysandwich]

(Trying to attach a file here of the old house)


I'm thinking that the house you mentioned in Clovelly was the same one I lived in, in the early 80's. Was it Melrose Pde? If so, then that same house was a haven for staff members for years. :)

A lot of us had bikes then too, so the commute to Castlereagh St wasn't too bad....and besides, a couple of us worked at the Clovelly pub as a moonlight job, so that was handy, as was the beach......a great place to "chill", even though the only time for "chilling" just about, was in the early hours of the morning.

I'm enjoying all the scoop, thanks. :thumbsup:

[mysterysandwich]

This one?
4369

I'm thinking that the house you mentioned in Clovelly was the same one I lived in, in the early 80's. Was it Melrose Pde? If so, then that same house was a haven for staff members for years. :)

A lot of us had bikes then too, so the commute to Castlereagh St wasn't too bad....and besides, a couple of us worked at the Clovelly pub as a moonlight job, so that was handy, as was the beach......a great place to "chill", even though the only time for "chilling" just about, was in the early hours of the morning.

I'm enjoying all the scoop, thanks. :thumbsup:

[woke up]

Oh yes, the old Clovelly house. As the original tenant, I am appalled at its transformation into a dump. Yuck.

[RogerB]

Mysterysandwich,

Good to see you posting again.

Seeing this thread come up this morning, and seeing I had posted to it earlier on without remembering what, I decided to read through it . . . being an Oz and having been there back when.

I note in posts #72 and #73, comment about Phyll Stevens :biggrin:

I knew Phyll in the early '60's ('63-'64).

At that time she was a rather gracious lady, if somewhat intense. This obviously before she'd been to Flag to get all that "wonderful" training on how to be a $cn Executive and "handle" people :duh::duh:

It is interesting how the SO Exec thing seems to change people. I've seen it in others :yes:

It is, it seems, one of those examples of the insanity of the system that is now $cn.

RogerB

[Phoenix Rising]

Oh yes, the old Clovelly house. As the original tenant, I am appalled at its transformation into a dump. Yuck.

I remember going to that "come in your own valence" party.... if I remember correctly Linnah was wearing an American Indian outfit and had her hair braided... :party:

All these names are bringing back such memories...

Love reading all the stories, keep them coming...:thumbsup:

[degraded being]

Mysterysandwich,

Good to see you posting again.

Seeing this thread come up this morning, and seeing I had posted to it earlier on without remembering what, I decided to read through it . . . being an Oz and having been there back when.

I note in posts #72 and #73, comment about Phyll Stevens :biggrin:

I knew Phyll in the early '60's ('63-'64).

At that time she was a rather gracious lady, if somewhat intense. This obviously before she'd been to Flag to get all that "wonderful" training on how to be a $cn Executive and "handle" people :duh::duh:

It is interesting how the SO Exec thing seems to change people. I've seen it in others :yes:

It is, it seems, one of those examples of the insanity of the system that is now $cn.

RogerB

She was once "gracious"? Must have been an engram that got audited out. Not meant to be a personal criticism of her...I didn't know her very well...just say'n "gracious"........

[Panda Termint]

I remember going to that "come in your own valence" party.... if I remember correctly Linnah was wearing an American Indian outfit and had her hair braided... :party:

All these names are bringing back such memories...

Love reading all the stories, keep them coming...:thumbsup:
LOL, is that the one where Martin came as The Devil ?!

[Phoenix Rising]

LOL, is that the one where Martin came as The Devil ?!

OMG:omg: I think your right... he did... I only remember snippets about the party. My kids were real small then and I didn't stay long, I was also rather overwhelmed by the whole thing as I really wasn't part of the "in crowd" but it certainly left an impression on me and I've thought about it over the years... I somehow felt like I was always looking in and wanting more of what they had....:window: remember that song, about having "my nose pressed up against the window pane"....

[Petey C]

Mysterysandwich,

Good to see you posting again.


I note in posts #72 and #73, comment about Phyll Stevens :biggrin:

I knew Phyll in the early '60's ('63-'64).

At that time she was a rather gracious lady, if somewhat intense. This obviously before she'd been to Flag to get all that "wonderful" training on how to be a $cn Executive and "handle" people :duh::duh:

It is interesting how the SO Exec thing seems to change people. I've seen it in others :yes:

It is, it seems, one of those examples of the insanity of the system that is now $cn.

RogerB

Roger, you clearly never worked for Phyll Stevens! I did, and frankly I'd rather stand on my head in a bucket of shit than do that again. I had more or less the same experiences as Mystery Sanger did. And just the other day I was talking to an ex who is now a highly successful businessman who told me Phyll had said to him that he would NEVER be successful. IMO Phyll was vindictive, arrogant, defensive, very impressed with herself and basically a ball-buster. She had very limited real world experience. She was the sort of "data series evaluator" who came up with a who and a why and then proceeded to write an eval backwards from there. The time I spent working under her (and I use that term advisedly, I still have the boot imprint on my cheek) was sheer bloody hell. I got regularly punished for things I did as well as things I couldn't possibly have done. And yes, it was after her returned from Flag. I suspect she got demoted to ANZO after Flag, though we would never have known it then. And boy she sure made a lot of innocent people pay for that.

[Panda Termint]

Agreed, Petey.

You may remember that I was the unlucky soul who got to pick Phyll up at the airport upon her return to ANZO in 80/81 (thanks a bunch, Mike! :omg:).

I got to experience first-hand her displeasure at being "home" in the ANZO backwater. She never forgave me for being there and communicating. I left the SO forever within months of her return.

Dart Smohen once commented to me that they may just as well have posted Pol Pot as CO ANZO, it would've been less traumatic for all concerned. :yes:

[the-ghostwhowalks]

I will never forget Phyll Stevens as long as I live - ALL of of her operating basis was just plain nuts - One of them that comes to mind was "Audit the public !" - bullshit - AUDIT AND TRAIN YOUR STAFF ! - they are the ones who are willing to be there and help ! - they have the most faith - ( or delusion ) - or is there a little side matter called " Gross Income " ? - or a full blown dramatization of hubbards real personality ? - I will NEVER forget her , and I suspect she was a party to covering up a staff members suicide - I have more to say , but enough for now :angry:

[Petey C]

Agreed, Petey.

You may remember that I was the unlucky soul who got to pick Phyll up at the airport upon her return to ANZO in 80/81 (thanks a bunch, Mike! :omg:).

I got to experience first-hand her displeasure at being "home" in the ANZO backwater. She never forgave me for being there and communicating. I left the SO forever within months of her return.

Dart Smohem once commented to me that they may just as well have posted Pol Pot as CO ANZO, it would've been less traumatic for all concerned. :yes:

That would have been her second go-round, as she first came around 75 to be CO Sydney Day after Helen and John Parselle hotfooted it out. (John recruited me. Thanks a bunch.) Then she was "called to Flag" as it was euphemistically known, and ended up at my desk at the dag end of her routing form on her way home. I believe a short stint being "handled" came before it. By the time she got to me, she was pretty shitty, specially at the idea of being received by me. I debated for a while about how to deal with her. In the end I thought I'd kill her with kindness, that being what she would hate the most. So I gushed all over her and she loathed it but couldn't complain, and I was pretty tickled. Then she went home and you would have copped it, poor Panda.

I love what Dart Smohen said. Very apt!

[Panda Termint]

Lol, yes, it was Round Two. Of course I was also there for Round One but, in my mind, Phyll as CO Syd Day was a walk-in-the-park compared to Phyll as CO ANZO. :nervous:

[Petey C]

Lol, yes, it was Round Two. Of course I was also there for Round One but, in my mind, Phyll as CO Syd Day was a walk-in-the-park compared to Phyll as CO ANZO. :nervous:

Yes I can see she would be!

[RogerB]

Ya, I can well see Phyll doing a full blown "dark-side" thing. As I said, she was "intense" when I knew her . . . and maybe that was her sitting on the powder-keg of charge and hate that later became dramatized.

It's another example of the screwy, flawed "tech" of $cn product.

It's also true that she didn't have any executive power when I knew her. She was just one of the rest of us.

But give these "intense" types power, and certainly when coupled with screwed up case and the monster is let loose. Add to this a threat of displeasure from above as a consequences of "failure" to get results . . . . and :angry::angry:

I actually wonder if Phyll has any idea of how much $cn failed her :ohmy:

Rog

[I told you I was trouble]

Ya, I can well see Phyll doing a full blown "dark-side" thing. As I said, she was "intense" when I knew her . . . and maybe that was her sitting on the powder-keg of charge and hate that later became dramatized.

It's another example of the screwy, flawed "tech" of $cn product.

It's also true that she didn't have any executive power when I knew her. She was just one of the rest of us.

But give these "intense" types power, and certainly when coupled with screwed up case and the monster is let loose. Add to this a threat of displeasure from above as a consequences of "failure" to get results . . . . and :angry::angry:

I actually wonder if Phyll has any idea of how much $cn failed her :ohmy:

Rog



What is this 'case' of which you speak?

:whistling:

There is no 'case' just people in differing stages of growth.

Phyll had a deep sadness in her ever alert eyes and I believe she did know that scio failed her, I hope she now rests in peace, I really liked her (though I didn't work under her, thank goodness).

:yes:

[I told you I was trouble]

Deleted (dopey double post).

[degraded being]

What is this 'case' of which you speak?

:whistling:

There is no 'case' just people in differing stages of growth.

Phyll had a deep sadness in her ever alert eyes and I believe she did know that scio failed her, I hope she now rests in peace, I really liked her (though I didn't work under her, thank goodness).

:yes:

She didn't have "case" she had "grace". She had it audited out and it toined her inta a monster. It was horrible!! The Senior C/s said to the poor intern:
"You F*$&ing BT ridden piece of s%?*!!!. NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE. I said CASE! Audit out her F%*=ing CASE! NOT her F@%&ing GRACE!. And as you can see from the many anecdotes told here, the results were not priddy. BTW, that intern hasn't seen the outside of the rpf from that day to this. P was once sent to Auckland Org to torment poor Div 6ers there because, well, that's the scientology point on the planet that was as far away from FLAG and ANSO CLO that you could possibly get. This is true.

[Free to shine]

I just came across this list of aussie scientologists - lots of familiar names there, including mine. :) Note this list is obviously from the 70's - 80's.....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/9f15fa63dc286906/f8f17d452d3384b9%3Fq%3D%2522John%2BSowerby%2522%23 f8f17d452d3384b9&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNFSFkbEq5B49MXQgu8UKeU2_9txkw?pli=1

I decided to paste it in:

Grayson Agnew
Dot Ainsworth
Cameron Airey
Janessa Allan
Barbara Allsop
Bill Allsop
Cassandra Allsop
Derryn Allsop
Peter Altmeier-Mort
Emma Anastasi
Dale Anderson
Gordon R. Anderson
Lindsay Anderson
Liz Anderson
Perry Anderson
Tahnee Anderson
Frank Andre-Wartha
Jennifer Annoki-Chan
Lindy Appleford
Louis Arcoraci
Raphael J. Arnold
Douglas Atcheson
Kama Atcheson
Kimberli Ayers
Richard Ayers
Joe Azzopardi
Lisa Azzopardi

Caroline Badnall
Ben Balfour
Michal Balint
Phil Bamford
Keith Banham
Bianca Baptista
Phil Barden
M. Fred Barei
Judith Barnes
Rory Barnes
Rodney G. Barnett
Terri Barnett
Guy Barton
Renate Barton
Vilko Barudzija
Daniel Bautista
Jane Bautista
Amanda Beats
Shane Beats
David Beck
Hilton Bell
Max Beniamini
Cass Bennett
Ian Bennett
Jan Bennett
Georgina Berry
Geoffrey Blake
John Blom
Henry Blumenthal
Dan Blumewthal
Scott Bolland
Margret Borg
Gladys Bowen
Paul Boyle
Steve Bozanich
Greg Bradley
Ruthie Bradley
Laurie Brazell
Patricia Briggs
Janice Bromley
Dave Bromwell
Gary Bromwell
Karolyn Bromwell
Trish Bromwell
Robert Broughton
Susan Broughton
Barry Brown
Ursula Bruce
Aaron Brumley
George Bryce
Kamalia Bryce
Louise Bryce
Quintin Bryce
June Budgeon
Ron Budgeon
Glenys Bugeja
Richard Burnell
Michael Burns
Darryl Burnside
Betty Butler
Ted Butler
Wayne D Byrne
Wayne Byrne
Glen Byrnes

Jenny Caccamo
Michael Caccamo
Glenn Caldwell
Claudio Caligiuri
Elia Caligiuri
Horacio Caligiuri
Linda Caligiuri
Lucy Caligiuri
Mirella Caligiuri
Mark Caliguiri
Tim Cameron
Magali Cammarata
Sam Cammarata
Tony Cammarata
Chris Campbell
Zina Caraci
Mario Cardile
Remo Cardosi
Alycia Cardy
Alan Carlisle
Megan Carlisle
Ron Carlisle
Glen Carpenter
Lance Carr
Terri Carr
Lana Carter
Cherie Ceberano
Paul Ceberano
Andy Chang
Jennifer Chang
Les Chapman
Martine Chapman
Paul Chapman
Jennifer Chen
Pinky Chen
Jean Chien
Christine Childs
Edwin Chou
Kitty Chou
Renate Christie
Rowan Christie
Diana Chuang
Trish Ciuffetelli
Glenn Clark
Ross Clark
Evelyne Clarke
Sandra Clarkson
Martin Coffey
Mardi Cole
Nigel Cole
Matthew Coleman
Caroline Collen
Leonard Collen
Lyn Collie
Paul Coltman
Flavio Comacchio
Gina Comacchio
Flavio Commachio
Peter Conroy
Robert Constable
Tarran Constable
Fabian Conti
Amanda Cornes
Greg Costello
Jennifer Costello
Al Cox
Duncan Cox
David Coxhill
Rose Coxhill
David A. Craven
Debi Craven
James Craven
Sarah Craven
Simon Craven
Wendy Craven
Harry Crawford
Gaye Cray
David Crooks
Melissa Crooks
Tracey Cullen
Gino Cuomo
Connie Curato
Joe Curato
Barbara Currie
Colette Currie
James Currie
Gloria Cust

Ida D'amica
Tony Daly
James Davey
Patricia Davey
John Wayne Davies
Peter Jb Davies
Doug Dawes
Catriona Dawson
Geoff Dawson
Di Deering
Sandy Deitch
Dinah Denness
Russell Denton
John Devine
Lorraine Devine
Helen Dickenson
Mark Dickson
Sylvia Dickson
Maria Dilello
Krystyna Dixon
Eunice Donato
Lynette Doucas
John Dowdall
Mette Doyle
Lucretia Draper
Andrea Drew
Peter Drewer
Georgina Drivas
John Drivas
Wei Wen Duan
Bernie Duane
Simone Duane
Royce Dunn
Greg Dunsmore

Trevor Eade
Steven Eldridge
Maria Erai
Rose Evans

Kerry Ann Fairclough
Andrew Fairlie
Anne Falkinder
Mark Farrelly
Chris Farrier
Fred Field
Walter Fiorito
Tim P. Fitzgerald
Siobhan Fitzpatrick
Tim Forrester
Tracey Forrester
Truls Foshaug
Mike Foster
Lynne Fox
Russell Fox
John Franzi
Roslyn Franzi
Irene Fraser
Karen Fraser
Peter Fraser
Warwick Fraser
Lisa Freebury
Adam Frost
Mariko Fukada

Sally Garden
Bruno Gelonese
David Gibbons
Jenny Gibbons
Bruce Gibson
Marlene Gibson
Mark Giffin
Reg Gilroy
Kevin Ginbey
Sue Ginbey
Sylvia Gleeson
Kingsley Gock
Mickey Goldzweig
Jamie Gordon
Sibel Goren
Jocelyn Goss
Ina Gourley
Peter Govers-Ballard
Gina Graham
Jessie Gray
Phil Greenhalgh
David R. Griffiths
Jarrod Grimshaw
Tom Grimshaw

Carol Hallett
Paul Hamilton
Steve Hancock
Scarlett Hanna
Lidia Hannah
Brett Hansell
Bruce Hardie Neil
Kevin Harris
Shimmy Harris
Shaun Hart
Yuka Hasegawa
Rhonda Hatzirodos
Derek Hayward
Richie Hayward
Susan Hayward
Louise Henderson
Frank Hercus
Michael Herson
Ronda Herson
Robyn Hess
Muriel A. Higgins
Benjamin Hill
Kelly Hirst
Roger Hjorleifson
Beate Hohl
Claire Holbrook
Shane Hollindale
Cyril H. Holman
Harry Honnor
Wendy Honnor
Lili Hsieh
Cathy Hsu
Anna Huang
Peter Hubble
Jan Hudson
Gareth William Hughes
Justin Hughes
Martha Philippa Hughes
Aisling M. Hume
Joanne Hunter
Cathy Hurst
Caeylinh Huynh

Ian Ingram
Kryoung Bin In
Michael Irvine

Doug Jack
Afrika James
Nerida James
Tammy James
Trinidad James
Laurent Jang
Pat Jarvis
Daphne Jefford
Kim Jefford
Samantha Jefford
Gloria Jen
Caron Jenkins
Steve Jenkins
Ian Jennings
Joe Jia
Gay Johnson
Jo Johnson
Martin Johnson
Stephanie Jones
Kathleen Joyce

Marie Kable
Jacqueline Kalab
Rudy Kalab
Jim Kalaitzis
Anne Kannar
Andrew Kay
Jim Keating
Sue Keating
Nella Kerr
Michelle Keys
Nick Keys
Jenny Kiggins
Wendy Kingdon
Michael King
Sue Kinnear
Ken Klaebe
Fred Klemick
Margaret Klemick
Maia Knaggs
Kwan Woong Koo
Robert Koshemakin
Gabriella Kovacevic
James Kovacevic
Carolyn Kyle

Charles Lander
Win Lander
Jenny Lane
Peter Mart Lardelli
Cindy Law
Richard Law
Jay Lawrence
Brad Lawson
Eva Lawson
Nick Lee
Tom Lee
Alexander Lemon
Angie Paice & Neil Lemon
Aran Levin
Erik Levin
Rita Levin
Yen Shen Li
Yueh-Chan Lin
Zhuangling Lin
Roslyn Lind
Doug Lindsay
Jacinta Lindsay
Emily Liu
Megan Liu
Wendy Liu
Diego Llisebir
Vanessa Llisebir
Steve Lovrinovic
Margaret Lowe
Lynne Lowenstein
Nijole Lowes
Peter Joseph Lubychij
Gaetono De Luca
Elvira Luchini

Jenny Maartens
Robert MacDonald
Yvonne MacDonald
Kevin Mackey
Vicky Mackey
Terry Macnee
Joe Malesic
Tracey Marashian
Rudi Marashlian
Tracey Marashlian
Felix Marci
Damon Markopoulos
Melissa Marks
George Noel Marston
Denis John Martin
Lyssandra Martin
Pauline Maszlagi
Rae Maxwell
Julie Mayhew
Mike McAuliffe
Gregory McCarthy
Fiona McClintock
Julie Wynne McClintock
Patrick McColl
Kathy McCurdy-Zagame
Alan McLoughlin
Tracey McNamara
Rogan McNeil
Julie McSweeny
Albert Megraw
Francis Mei
Simon Meney
Ian Merchant
Joan Merchant
Angelo Mesiti
Brian Micallef
Helen Micallef
Viorica Mihalcea
Bev Mihalic
Elena Maria Milkovitsch
Joel Miranda
Peter Miranda
Claire Monaghan
Sergio Morello
Shorne Morris
Joseph Morrison
Joan Mort
Gerhard Mottl
Pertti Muhli
Peter Mulder
Rev. Ronald Munn
Tarryn Munro
Diana Murphy
Peter Murphy
Terry Murphy
Garry Murrin

Glenys Nall
Bruce Hardie Neil
Karen Neil
Mark Newman
Matthew Newman
Nick Newman
Mary Newman-Martin
Phil Newman-Martin
David Ni
Ross Nichols
Eleanor Nitche
Katrina Nitsche
Leanne Nobrega
Rochelle North

Paul O'Connor
Akiko O'Connor-Suganuma
David O'Donnel
Ross O'Donoghue
Shuawn O'Meara
Coby O'Sullivan
Donna O'Sullivan
Chrystyna Offenbuame
Tony Oliver
Manfred Onder
Carmel Ovseev

Norman Pakes
Helen Panayi
Stewart Payne
Wayne Peachey
George Pearson
Alistair Percy
Thomas Phillips
Derek R. Phillips
Chris Phillips
Ken Pilkington
Mr. David Plaister
Johnny Plustwik
Ron Pollard
Fay Pollard
John Poulakis
Chris Power
Rod Prater
Leigh Price
Kimberley Prickett
Cheryl Puethe

Conny Quintal
Steve Quintal

Brian W. Rackham
Carmen Isabell Rainer
Andrew Randell
Jason Rayner
Arthur Redi
Jo Reid
Thomas Reid
Maree Reily
Paul Rendall
Archie Riddell
Bet Riddell
Mark Riddell
Andrew F. Rinder
Barbara J. Rinder
Patricia Rinder
Carol Robins
Nick Robins
Robert Robins
Rosalind Robins
Peter Robinson
Rick Robjent
Melanie Robson
Sarah Robson
Serena Robson
Maria M. Rojas
Eva Ross
Heidi Ross
Garnet Rottcher
Janine Rowlands
Maryanne Ryland

Elizabeth Safra
Myrna Louise Safra
Roger Safra
Gina Salmon
Peter Salmon
Woodie Sampson
Christine Margaret Sanderson
Jennifer Schelbert
Enzo Schiliro
Nerina Schiliro
Alan Schneider
Mark Scupham
Kay Seabrook
Ron Segal
Pelite Sei
John Sellers
Anna Serra
Geoff Serra
Carlo Sferco
Hilary Shead
Ted Shelly
Colin Sherman
Chris Shipman
Richie Shiu
Anita Shyee
Amy Silva
Maria Silva
Elenor Simpson
Peter Simpson
Robin Sinclair
Ravi Singh
Vilmer Skov
Vanessa Smit
Ailee Smith
Carla Smith
Dorreen Smith
Rose Whelan Smith
Barbara Smyth
Paul Snodgrass
Keith Soanes
Fabrizio Soncin
Frances Sowerby
John Sowerby
Steve Spargo
Graeme Sprigge
Jason Standford
Noriko Stanford
Giles Stapleton
Kelly Stauffer
Isaac Steele
Stevan Steele
Tessa Steele
George Sterling
Carol Stewart
Erin Stewart
James Stivey
John J Stivey
Rick Stoker
Ivan Stone
Mark Stone
Katie Strahan
Mr. Roy Strahan
Ray Streeter
Ben Strong
Coby Sullivan
Flora Sullivan
John Sullivan
Olivia Sullivan
Jeanine Summers
Robin Sunol
Maggie Sweeney
Paul Sweeney
Mary Szental

Tatiana Talei
Judy Tampion
Dale Tangiora
Guy Taylor
Helen Taylor
Irma Taylor
Lynette Thom
Neil Thomas
Sue Thompson
Roy Thomson
David Thor
Sandy Thurston
John Tidswell
Tony Timms
Chris Tingley
Chad Tippapart
Valerie Tivan
Johanes Tjuatja
Henrik Tkacz
Michael Tomblin
Michael Trethowanf
Mario Treu
Annie Turner
Cheryl Turner
Grahame Turner
Pauline Turner
Tony Tzouvelis

Ken Vac
Lucas Van Berkel
Suzanna Van Berkel
Vincent Van Berkel
Pat Van Der Voorden
Pieter Van der Wal
Son Van Vu
John Vardis
Andras Vermes-Gabos
Cecile Vowles
Colston Vowles

Matt Waite
Clive J. Wakeham
Angela Wang
Jessica Wang
Yvonne Wang
Audrey Warren
Garry Watkins
Graeme Watson
Denise Webb
Irene Wei
Billy Weir
Diana Welbourne
Merryn Weston
Jody Whelan
Samantha Rose Smith Whelan
Derek White
Geoffrey White
Grant White
Marion Whiteside
Andrew Whyte
Kim van Wichen
Hans-Peter Wiederkehr
Benji Wijitpun
Ian Wilde
Paul Wilkinson
Greg Williams
Jeremy Williams
Lisa Williams
Lizzy Williams
Ben Willows
Jason Willows
Jenny Willows
Steve Willows
Joe Wills
Bill Wilson
James Wilson
Gerhart Wittwer
Marian Wittwer
Claudette Woodley
Michael Woods
Trevor Woods
Richard Wright
Eve Wu

Monique Xenophontas

Ja Ja Yang
Simon Young

Assunta Zaghet
Jason Zani
Laurence Zani
Pauline Zani
Werner Zimmer

NEW ZEALAND

Mark Allison
Vickey Alpe
Antionette Anderson
Mike Avery
Christopher Barnett
George Bell
Pearl Bennett
Bruce Berntsen
Ken Boyd
Nola Boyd
Colleen Bray
Karina Casement
Melva Collins
Michelle Conole
Paul Conole
Dave D'audney
Win Dickey
Rob Dickie
Julie Dockerty
Tony Dowling
John H Duncan
Phillip Evans
James Ferriss
Alana Foai
Manase Foai
Mira Forrest
Denny Frater
Penese Gason
Glynis Gillott
Ian Gillott
Laurie Bingham
Robin Bin Han
Arampamo Haran
Jude Harrod
Charlie Hobbs
Varina Horne
Elaine Jack
Jimmy Jackson
Tony Johnson
Kororia Kahui-Ariki
Matt Kiely
Gail Laing
Anh Le Ngoc
Dana Lee
Simon Lee
Johnathin Littler
Lynnaire Liversedge
Neil Liversedge
Dane Luxford
Paul Maunder
Campbell McCorquodale
Heather McLeary
Mo McLeary
Robert McMullen
Shane Millar
Claude Moffat
Dianne Monk
Judith Moore
Brian Murray
Eve Owen
Kevin Owen
Michelle Owen
Pastor Puke Parai
Nigel Patterson
Dick Peters
Irene Pook
Warren Portsmouth
Tim Pringle
Yure Radojkovich
Travel Rakoia
Stephan Rawles
Andy Redfern
Debbie Rose
Anton Royce
David Rule
Tim Saunders
Kay Sawyer
John Scott
Rebecca Simons
Alison Slade-Baker
Helen Smith
Karyn Smits
Patrick Anthony Spencer-Smith
Harvey Stapleton
Karen Stephenson
Mary Stevens
Luke Stock
Ian Sugden
Kathy Swords
Mark Swords
Mana Tewhata
Ena Tito
Marisha Turol
Ben Van Den Berg
Shelley Van Den Berg
Geoff White
Keitha Wilcox
Tony Williams
Anita Wiseman

[Petey C]

Interesting list, thanks for posting! I recognised a few people there including "Quintin Bryce" -- surely not this one?

http://www.gg.gov.au/

[degraded being]

Interesting list, thanks for posting! I recognised a few people there including "Quintin Bryce" -- surely not this one?

http://www.gg.gov.au/


From one of those "I am a Scientologist" pages. (BTW, these days, those pages are like taking your clothes off in public aren't they?)

http://www.myhomepage.org/brycequintin/myself.htm

"...Hello, my name is Quintin Bryce, and here is a little bit about myself:
I was born in London, England and lived there for 7 years. We then moved to East Grinstead in West Sussex which is in the Southern part of England. Saint Hill Manor, which is established in East Grinstead, was where L. Ron Hubbard did a lot of his work. I went to Greenfields School (a Scientology school) for 6 years until moving out to Australia in 1992. In 1997 I finished my schooling and now I study courses at the Advanced Organization of Saint Hill...."

[freethinker]

Austrailians Rock.:cheers:

[Panda Termint]

LOL'd at the list of Aussie "scios", FTS.
Maybe we should do a table with a "whatever happened to so-and-so?" addendum.

[Free to shine]

LOL'd at the list of Aussie "scios", FTS.
Maybe we should do a table with a "whatever happened to so-and-so?" addendum.

I just added to my post that this is a very old list.

I would LOVE to know where some of these people are! Can we do it? :biggrin:

[Panda Termint]

From one of those "I am a Scientologist" pages. (BTW, these days, those pages are like taking your clothes off in public aren't they?)
<...snip>
You say that as if you think it's a bad thing! :biggrin:

[Panda Termint]

I just added to my post that this is a very old list.

I would LOVE to know where some of these people are! Can we do it? :biggrin:
We should do it, we'd probably need a get-together to compare notes.
There are a lot of "gone" people on that list; some speaking out, some who would probably prefer to just remain "quietly gone".

[Miss Pert]

[QUOTE=Free to shine;599915]I just came across this list of aussie scientologists - lots of familiar names there, including mine. :) Note this list is obviously from the 70's - 80's.....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/9f15fa63dc286906/f8f17d452d3384b9%3Fq%3D%2522John%2BSowerby%2522%23 f8f17d452d3384b9&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNFSFkbEq5B49MXQgu8UKeU2_9txkw?pli=1

Not necessarily. I didn't get in until the mid 90's and my name is there, the same goes for another friend mentioned.

[Panda Termint]

Yes, it's the list of Aussies and Kiwis who were on the "On-Line Scientologists" website as of the year 2000. A lot of the old names (pre-Online era) are missing.

[degraded being]

We should do it, we'd probably need a get-together to compare notes.
There are a lot of "gone" people on that list; some speaking out, some who would probably prefer to just remain "quietly gone".

What about the list reposted with those no longer in, in "crossed out" format. That would be nice.

[Free to shine]

Yes, it's the list of Aussies and Kiwis who were on the "On-Line Scientologists" website as of the year 2000. A lot of the old names (pre-Online era) are missing.

That explains it. They won't take my page down! :omg:

[Panda Termint]

What about the list reposted with those no longer in, in "crossed out" format. That would be nice.

Yes, that'd do it. Now we just need someone with time on their hands. :biggrin:

[degraded being]

Yes, that'd do it. Now we just need someone with time on their hands. :biggrin:

the little problem with it is that different ESMBers would know different ones on the list who were deceased, out etc, so the list might have to get reposted a couple of times. But it would be fun to see repostings with more and more cross-outs.

[Free to shine]

the little problem with it is that different ESMBers would know different ones on the list who were deceased, out etc, so the list might have to get reposted a couple of times. But it would be fun to see repostings with more and more cross-outs.

I have the time to do it, just not the info. I wouldn't want to out anyone who didn't want to be either. I can edit it with the few I know are well out though?

[degraded being]

Deleted.
See latest list further on the thread.

[Panda Termint]

I have the time to do it, just not the info. I wouldn't want to out anyone who didn't want to be either. I can edit it with the few I know are well out though?
Yes, that's kinda the problem. Probably more than half that list are out/deceased but, apart from the names on the Big List Of Exes Who Have Spoken Out, I'd be guessing as to how happy they'd be about being named as "out" (the dead ones probably won't hold it against us).

Note: If we're going to do it, it's probably best to have one main list which keeps getting updated, my scrolling finger abhors walls of repeat-text. Maybe we can drop the names on this thread and you can do the strikeout on the main list?

[degraded being]

I have the time to do it, just not the info. I wouldn't want to out anyone who didn't want to be either. I can edit it with the few I know are well out though?

It would be fun if you crossed someone out who was still in and they had to come here to tell you they are still in. Then we could kidnap them and deprogram them!

EDIT For Zombies. This is a humourous post and is meant entirely to motivate a few people to open their mouths and laugh. It is not to be taken literally. I do not and have never condoned any illegal acts including, but not restricted to kidnapping, nor have I ever suggested that anyone actually carry out such an act. Deprogramming is not a favorite of mine neither.

[Free to shine]

...

Grayson Agnew
Dot Ainsworth
Cameron Airey
Janessa Allan
Barbara Allsop
Bill Allsop
Cassandra Allsop
Derryn Allsop
Peter Altmeier-Mort
Emma Anastasi
Dale Anderson
Gordon R. Anderson
Lindsay Anderson
Liz Anderson
Perry Anderson
Tahnee Anderson
Frank Andre-Wartha
Jennifer Annoki-Chan
Lindy Appleford
Louis Arcoraci
Raphael J. Arnold
Douglas Atcheson
Kama Atcheson
Kimberli Ayers
Richard Ayers
Joe Azzopardi
Lisa Azzopardi

Caroline Badnall
Ben Balfour
Michal Balint
Phil Bamford
Keith Banham
Bianca Baptista
Phil Barden
M. Fred Barei
Judith Barnes
Rory Barnes
Rodney G. Barnett
Terri Barnett
Guy Barton
Renate Barton
Vilko Barudzija
Daniel Bautista
Jane Bautista
Amanda Beats
Shane Beats
David Beck
Hilton Bell
Max Beniamini
Cass Bennett
Ian Bennett
Jan Bennett
Georgina Berry
Geoffrey Blake
John Blom
Henry Blumenthal
Dan Blumewthal
Scott Bolland
Margret Borg
Gladys Bowen
Paul Boyle
Steve Bozanich
Greg Bradley
Ruthie Bradley
Laurie Brazell
Patricia Briggs
Janice Bromley
Dave Bromwell
Gary Bromwell
Karolyn Bromwell
Trish Bromwell
Robert Broughton
Susan Broughton
Barry Brown
Ursula Bruce
Aaron Brumley
George Bryce
Kamalia Bryce
Louise Bryce
Quintin Bryce
June Budgeon
Ron Budgeon Deceased
Glenys Bugeja
Richard Burnell
Michael Burns
Darryl Burnside
Betty Butler
Ted Butler
Wayne D Byrne
Wayne Byrne
Glen Byrnes

Jenny Caccamo
Michael Caccamo
Glenn Caldwell
Claudio Caligiuri
Elia Caligiuri
Horacio Caligiuri
Linda Caligiuri
Lucy Caligiuri
Mirella Caligiuri
Mark Caliguiri
Tim Cameron
Magali Cammarata
Sam Cammarata
Tony Cammarata
Chris Campbell
Zina Caraci
Mario Cardile
Remo Cardosi
Alycia Cardy
Alan Carlisle
Megan Carlisle
Ron Carlisle
Glen Carpenter
Lance Carr
Terri Carr
Lana Carter
Cherie Ceberano
Paul Ceberano
Andy Chang
Jennifer Chang
Les Chapman
Martine Chapman
Paul Chapman
Jennifer Chen
Pinky Chen
Jean Chien
Christine Childs
Edwin Chou
Kitty Chou
Renate Christie
Rowan Christie
Diana Chuang
Trish Ciuffetelli
Glenn Clark
Ross Clark
Evelyne Clarke
Sandra Clarkson
Martin Coffey
Mardi Cole
Nigel Cole
Matthew Coleman
Caroline Collen
Leonard Collen
Lyn Collie
Paul Coltman
Flavio Comacchio
Gina Comacchio
Flavio Commachio
Peter Conroy
Robert Constable
Tarran Constable
Fabian Conti
Amanda Cornes
Greg Costello
Jennifer Costello
Al Cox
Duncan Cox
David Coxhill
Rose Coxhill
David A. Craven
Debi Craven
James Craven
Sarah Craven
Simon Craven
Wendy Craven
Harry Crawford
Gaye Cray
David Crooks
Melissa Crooks
Tracey Cullen
Gino Cuomo
Connie Curato
Joe Curato
Barbara Currie
Colette Currie
James Currie
Gloria Cust

Ida D'amica
Tony Daly
James Davey
Patricia Davey
John Wayne Davies
Peter Jb Davies
Doug Dawes
Catriona Dawson
Geoff Dawson
Di Deering
Sandy Deitch
Dinah Denness
Russell Denton
John Devine
Lorraine Devine
Helen Dickenson
Mark Dickson
Sylvia Dickson
Maria Dilello
Krystyna Dixon
Eunice Donato
Lynette Doucas
John Dowdall
Mette Doyle
Lucretia Draper
Andrea Drew
Peter Drewer
Georgina Drivas
John Drivas
Wei Wen Duan
Bernie Duane
Simone Duane
Royce Dunn
Greg Dunsmore

Trevor Eade
Steven Eldridge
Maria Erai
Rose Evans

Kerry Ann Fairclough
Andrew Fairlie
Anne Falkinder
Mark Farrelly
Chris Farrier
Fred Field
Walter Fiorito
Tim P. Fitzgerald
Siobhan Fitzpatrick
Tim Forrester
Tracey Forrester
Truls Foshaug
Mike Foster
Lynne Fox
Russell Fox
John Franzi
Roslyn Franzi
Irene Fraser
Karen Fraser
Peter Fraser
Warwick Fraser
Lisa Freebury
Adam Frost
Mariko Fukada

Sally Garden
Bruno Gelonese
David Gibbons
Jenny Gibbons
Bruce Gibson
Marlene Gibson
Mark Giffin
Reg Gilroy
Kevin Ginbey
Sue Ginbey
Sylvia Gleeson
Kingsley Gock
Mickey Goldzweig
Jamie Gordon
Sibel Goren
Jocelyn Goss
Ina Gourley
Peter Govers-Ballard
Gina Graham
Jessie Gray
Phil Greenhalgh
David R. Griffiths
Jarrod Grimshaw
Tom Grimshaw

Carol Hallett
Paul Hamilton
Steve Hancock
Scarlett Hanna
Lidia Hannah
Brett Hansell
Bruce Hardie Neil
Kevin Harris
Shimmy Harris
Shaun Hart
Yuka Hasegawa
Rhonda Hatzirodos
Derek Hayward
Richie Hayward
Susan Hayward
Louise Henderson
Frank Hercus
Michael Herson
Ronda Herson
Robyn Hess
Muriel A. Higgins
Benjamin Hill
Kelly Hirst
Roger Hjorleifson
Beate Hohl
Claire Holbrook
Shane Hollindale
Cyril H. Holman
Harry Honnor
Wendy Honnor
Lili Hsieh
Cathy Hsu
Anna Huang
Peter Hubble
Jan Hudson
Gareth William Hughes
Justin Hughes
Martha Philippa Hughes
Aisling M. Hume
Joanne Hunter
Cathy Hurst
Caeylinh Huynh

Ian Ingram
Kryoung Bin In
Michael Irvine

Doug Jack
Afrika James
Nerida James
Tammy James
Trinidad James
Laurent Jang
Pat Jarvis
Daphne Jefford Deceased
Kim Jefford
Samantha Jefford
Gloria Jen
Caron Jenkins
Steve Jenkins
Ian Jennings
Joe Jia
Gay Johnson
Jo Johnson
Martin Johnson
Stephanie Jones
Kathleen Joyce Deceased

Marie Kable
Jacqueline Kalab
Rudy Kalab
Jim Kalaitzis
Anne Kannar
Andrew Kay
Jim Keating
Sue Keating
Nella Kerr
Michelle Keys
Nick Keys
Jenny Kiggins
Wendy Kingdon
Michael King
Sue Kinnear
Ken Klaebe
Fred Klemick
Margaret Klemick
Maia Knaggs
Kwan Woong Koo
Robert Koshemakin
Gabriella Kovacevic
James Kovacevic
Carolyn Kyle

Charles Lander
Win Lander
Jenny Lane
Peter Mart Lardelli
Cindy Law
Richard Law
Jay Lawrence
Brad Lawson
Eva Lawson
Nick Lee
Tom Lee
Alexander Lemon
Angie Paice & Neil Lemon
Aran Levin
Erik Levin
Rita Levin
Yen Shen Li
Yueh-Chan Lin
Zhuangling Lin
Roslyn Lind
Doug Lindsay
Jacinta Lindsay
Emily Liu
Megan Liu
Wendy Liu
Diego Llisebir
Vanessa Llisebir
Steve Lovrinovic
Margaret Lowe
Lynne Lowenstein
Nijole Lowes
Peter Joseph Lubychij
Gaetono De Luca
Elvira Luchini

Jenny Maartens
Robert MacDonald
Yvonne MacDonald
Kevin Mackey
Vicky Mackey
Terry Macnee
Joe Malesic
Tracey Marashian
Rudi Marashlian
Tracey Marashlian
Felix Marci
Damon Markopoulos
Melissa Marks
George Noel Marston
Denis John Martin
Lyssandra Martin
Pauline Maszlagi
Rae Maxwell
Julie Mayhew
Mike McAuliffe
Gregory McCarthy
Fiona McClintock
Julie Wynne McClintock
Patrick McColl
Kathy McCurdy-Zagame
Alan McLoughlin
Tracey McNamara
Rogan McNeil
Julie McSweeny
Albert Megraw
Francis Mei
Simon Meney
Ian Merchant
Joan Merchant
Angelo Mesiti
Brian Micallef
Helen Micallef
Viorica Mihalcea
Bev Mihalic
Elena Maria Milkovitsch
Joel Miranda
Peter Miranda
Claire Monaghan
Sergio Morello
Shorne Morris
Joseph Morrison
Joan Mort
Gerhard Mottl
Pertti Muhli
Peter Mulder
Rev. Ronald Munn
Tarryn Munro
Diana Murphy
Peter Murphy
Terry Murphy
Garry Murrin

Glenys Nall
Bruce Hardie Neil
Karen Neil
Mark Newman
Matthew Newman
Nick Newman
Mary Newman-Martin
Phil Newman-Martin
David Ni
Ross Nichols
Eleanor Nitche
Katrina Nitsche
Leanne Nobrega
Rochelle North

Paul O'Connor
Akiko O'Connor-Suganuma
David O'Donnel
Ross O'Donoghue
Shuawn O'Meara
Coby O'Sullivan
Donna O'Sullivan
Chrystyna Offenbuame
Tony Oliver
Manfred Onder
Carmel Ovseev

Norman Pakes
Helen Panayi
Stewart Payne
Wayne Peachey
George Pearson
Alistair Percy
Thomas Phillips
Derek R. Phillips
Chris Phillips
Ken Pilkington
Mr. David Plaister
Johnny Plustwik
Ron Pollard
Fay Pollard
John Poulakis
Chris Power
Rod Prater
Leigh Price
Kimberley Prickett
Cheryl Puethe

Conny Quintal
Steve Quintal

Brian W. Rackham
Carmen Isabell Rainer
Andrew Randell
Jason Rayner
Arthur Redi
Jo Reid
Thomas Reid
Maree Reily
Paul Rendall
Archie Riddell
Bet Riddell
Mark Riddell
Andrew F. Rinder
Barbara J. Rinder
Patricia Rinder
Carol Robins
Nick Robins
Robert Robins
Rosalind Robins
Peter Robinson
Rick Robjent
Melanie Robson
Sarah Robson
Serena Robson
Maria M. Rojas
Eva Ross
Heidi Ross
Garnet Rottcher
Janine Rowlands
Maryanne Ryland

Elizabeth Safra
Myrna Louise Safra
Roger Safra
Gina Salmon
Peter Salmon
Woodie Sampson
Christine Margaret Sanderson
Jennifer Schelbert
Enzo Schiliro
Nerina Schiliro
Alan Schneider
Mark Scupham
Kay Seabrook
Ron Segal
Pelite Sei
John Sellers
Anna Serra
Geoff Serra
Carlo Sferco
Hilary Shead
Ted Shelly
Colin Sherman
Chris Shipman
Richie Shiu
Anita Shyee
Amy Silva
Maria Silva
Elenor Simpson
Peter Simpson
Robin Sinclair
Ravi Singh
Vilmer Skov
Vanessa Smit
Ailee Smith
Carla Smith
Dorreen Smith
Rose Whelan Smith
Barbara Smyth
Paul Snodgrass
Keith Soanes
Fabrizio Soncin
Frances Sowerby
John Sowerby
Steve Spargo
Graeme Sprigge
Jason Standford
Noriko Stanford
Giles Stapleton
Kelly Stauffer
Isaac Steele
Stevan Steele
Tessa Steele
George Sterling
Carol Stewart
Erin Stewart
James Stivey
John J Stivey
Rick Stoker
Ivan Stone
Mark Stone
Katie Strahan
Mr. Roy Strahan
Ray Streeter
Ben Strong
Coby Sullivan
Flora Sullivan
John Sullivan
Olivia Sullivan
Jeanine Summers
Robin Sunol
Maggie Sweeney
Paul Sweeney
Mary Szental

Tatiana Talei
Judy Tampion
Dale Tangiora
Guy Taylor
Helen Taylor
Irma Taylor
Lynette Thom
Neil Thomas
Sue Thompson
Roy Thomson
David Thor
Sandy Thurston
John Tidswell
Tony Timms
Chris Tingley
Chad Tippapart
Valerie Tivan
Johanes Tjuatja
Henrik Tkacz
Michael Tomblin
Michael Trethowanf
Mario Treu
Annie Turner
Cheryl Turner
Grahame Turner
Pauline Turner
Tony Tzouvelis

Ken Vac
Lucas Van Berkel
Suzanna Van Berkel
Vincent Van Berkel
Pat Van Der Voorden
Pieter Van der Wal
Son Van Vu
John Vardis
Andras Vermes-Gabos
Cecile Vowles
Colston Vowles

Matt Waite
Clive J. Wakeham
Angela Wang
Jessica Wang
Yvonne Wang
Audrey Warren
Garry Watkins
Graeme Watson
Denise Webb
Irene Wei
Billy Weir
Diana Welbourne
Merryn Weston
Jody Whelan
Samantha Rose Smith Whelan
Derek White
Geoffrey White
Grant White
Marion Whiteside
Andrew Whyte
Kim van Wichen
Hans-Peter Wiederkehr
Benji Wijitpun
Ian Wilde
Paul Wilkinson
Greg Williams
Jeremy Williams
Lisa Williams
Lizzy Williams
Ben Willows
Jason Willows
Jenny Willows
Steve Willows
Joe Wills
Bill Wilson
James Wilson
Gerhart Wittwer
Marian Wittwer
Claudette Woodley
Michael Woods
Trevor Woods
Richard Wright
Eve Wu

Monique Xenophontas

Ja Ja Yang
Simon Young

Assunta Zaghet
Jason Zani
Laurence Zani
Pauline Zani
Werner Zimmer

NEW ZEALAND

Mark Allison
Vickey Alpe
Antionette Anderson
Mike Avery
Christopher Barnett
George Bell
Pearl Bennett
Bruce Berntsen
Ken Boyd
Nola Boyd
Colleen Bray
Karina Casement
Melva Collins
Michelle Conole
Paul Conole
Dave D'audney
Win Dickey
Rob Dickie
Julie Dockerty
Tony Dowling
John H Duncan
Phillip Evans
James Ferriss
Alana Foai
Manase Foai
Mira Forrest
Denny Frater
Penese Gason
Glynis Gillott
Ian Gillott
Laurie Bingham
Robin Bin Han
Arampamo Haran
Jude Harrod
Charlie Hobbs
Varina Horne
Elaine Jack
Jimmy Jackson
Tony Johnson
Kororia Kahui-Ariki
Matt Kiely
Gail Laing
Anh Le Ngoc
Dana Lee
Simon Lee
Johnathin Littler
Lynnaire Liversedge
Neil Liversedge
Dane Luxford
Paul Maunder
Campbell McCorquodale
Heather McLeary
Mo McLeary
Robert McMullen
Shane Millar
Claude Moffat
Dianne Monk
Judith Moore
Brian Murray
Eve Owen
Kevin Owen
Michelle Owen
Pastor Puke Parai
Nigel Patterson
Dick Peters
Irene Pook
Warren Portsmouth
Tim Pringle
Yure Radojkovich
Travel Rakoia
Stephan Rawles
Andy Redfern
Debbie Rose
Anton Royce
David Rule
Tim Saunders
Kay Sawyer
John Scott
Rebecca Simons
Alison Slade-Baker
Helen Smith
Karyn Smits
Patrick Anthony Spencer-Smith
Harvey Stapleton
Karen Stephenson
Mary Stevens


Luke Stock
Ian Sugden
Kathy Swords
Mark Swords
Mana Tewhata
Ena Tito
Marisha Turol
Ben Van Den Berg
Shelley Van Den Berg
Geoff White
Keitha Wilcox
Tony Williams
Anita Wiseman

[Miss Pert]

I don't know how to cross stuff out so the next person to change stuff can take me off, Cheryl Turner, and Daphne Jefford is deceased. Thanks!

[degraded being]

Yes, that's kinda the problem. Probably more than half that list are out/deceased but, apart from the names on the Big List Of Exes Who Have Spoken Out, I'd be guessing as to how happy they'd be about being named as "out" (the dead ones probably won't hold it against us).

Note: If we're going to do it, it's probably best to have one main list which keeps getting updated, my scrolling finger abhors walls of repeat-text. Maybe we can drop the names on this thread and you can do the strikeout on the main list?

I only knew 3 or 4. I am assuming someone in OZ knows quite a few. If I see a more up to date version go up. I'll delete mine to reduce clutter.

[Petey C]

I suppose there's no list of anyone who's ever been in Scn in Oz. I see very few of my vintage, which I hope means they've mostly buggered off. But I also don't see some names of people I knew to have been in and are still. Well, exaggeration, one couple and their son. This list also doesn't include people in the SO, with a few exceptions (eg Vicky Alpe in the NZ list though she married Larry Lester at one stage).

It would be GREAT to have a really big list. FTS, if you're doing it, I'll send you some names.

[Panda Termint]

Yes, there are literally hundreds of names of "came and went" former scios not included.

I've commented before that it'd be a hell of a lot less work to just list those remaining than trying to list out who has left! :biggrin:

And, yes, Petey most of the guys from those days HAVE buggered off (one way or another).

[Free to shine]

I don't know how to cross stuff out so the next person to change stuff can take me off, Cheryl Turner, and Daphne Jefford is deceased. Thanks!

Changed it on my post.
You just highlight the text to be crossed out and click the T with a strike though it.

[Happy Days]

I just came across this list of aussie scientologists - lots of familiar names there, including mine. :) Note this list is obviously from the 70's - 80's.....

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/9f15fa63dc286906/f8f17d452d3384b9%3Fq%3D%2522John%2BSowerby%2522%23 f8f17d452d3384b9&ei=iGwTS6eaOpW8Qpmqic0O&sa=t&ct=res&cd=3&source=groups&usg=AFQjCNFSFkbEq5B49MXQgu8UKeU2_9txkw?pli=1

I decided to paste it in:

Grayson Agnew
Dot Ainsworth
Cameron Airey
Janessa Allan
Barbara Allsop
Bill Allsop
Cassandra Allsop
Derryn Allsop
Peter Altmeier-Mort
Emma Anastasi
Dale Anderson
Gordon R. Anderson
Lindsay Anderson
Liz Anderson
James Anderson - added to list
Jordan Anderson - added to list
Perry Anderson
Tahnee Anderson
Frank Andre-Wartha
Jennifer Annoki-Chan
Lindy Appleford
Louis Arcoraci
Raphael J. Arnold
Douglas Atcheson
Kama Atcheson
Kimberli Ayers
Richard Ayers
Joe Azzopardi
Lisa Azzopardi

Caroline Badnall
Ben Balfour
Michal Balint
Phil Bamford
Keith Banham
Bianca Baptista
Phil Barden
M. Fred Barei
Judith Barnes
Rory Barnes
Rodney G. Barnett
Terri Barnett
Guy Barton
Renate Barton
Vilko Barudzija
Daniel Bautista
Jane Bautista
Amanda Beats
Shane Beats
David Beck
Hilton Bell
Max Beniamini
Cass Bennett
Ian Bennett
Jan Bennett
Georgina Berry
Geoffrey Blake
John Blom
Henry Blumenthal
Dan Blumewthal
Scott Bolland
Margret Borg
Gladys Bowen
Paul Boyle
Steve Bozanich
Greg Bradley
Ruthie Bradley
Laurie Brazell
Patricia Briggs
Janice Bromley
Dave Bromwell
Gary Bromwell
Karolyn Bromwell
Trish Bromwell
Robert Broughton
Susan Broughton
Barry Brown
Ursula Bruce
Aaron Brumley
George Bryce
Kamalia Bryce
Louise Bryce
Quintin Bryce
June Budgeon
Ron Budgeon
Glenys Bugeja
Richard Burnell
Michael Burns
Darryl Burnside
Betty Butler
Ted Butler
Wayne D Byrne
Wayne Byrne
Glen Byrnes

Jenny Caccamo
Michael Caccamo
Glenn Caldwell
Claudio Caligiuri
Elia Caligiuri
Horacio Caligiuri
Linda Caligiuri
Lucy Caligiuri
Mirella Caligiuri
Mark Caliguiri
Tim Cameron
Magali Cammarata
Sam Cammarata
Tony Cammarata
Chris Campbell
Zina Caraci
Mario Cardile
Remo Cardosi
Alycia Cardy
Alan Carlisle
Megan Carlisle
Ron Carlisle
Glen Carpenter
Lance Carr
Terri Carr
Lana Carter
Cherie Ceberano
Paul Ceberano
Andy Chang
Jennifer Chang
Les Chapman
Martine Chapman
Paul Chapman
Jennifer Chen
Pinky Chen
Jean Chien
Christine Childs
Edwin Chou
Kitty Chou
Renate Christie
Rowan Christie
Diana Chuang
Trish Ciuffetelli
Glenn Clark
Ross Clark
Evelyne Clarke
Sandra Clarkson
Martin Coffey
Mardi Cole
Nigel Cole
Matthew Coleman
Caroline Collen
Leonard Collen
Lyn Collie
Paul Coltman
Flavio Comacchio
Gina Comacchio
Flavio Commachio
Peter Conroy
Robert Constable
Tarran Constable
Fabian Conti
Amanda Cornes
Greg Costello
Jennifer Costello
Al Cox
Duncan Cox
David Coxhill
Rose Coxhill
David A. Craven
Debi Craven
James Craven
Sarah Craven
Simon Craven
Wendy Craven
Harry Crawford
Gaye Cray
David Crooks
Melissa Crooks
Tracey Cullen
Gino Cuomo
Connie Curato
Joe Curato
Barbara Currie
Colette Currie
James Currie
Gloria Cust

Ida D'amica
Tony Daly
James Davey
Patricia Davey
John Wayne Davies
Peter Jb Davies
Doug Dawes
Catriona Dawson
Geoff Dawson
Di Deering
Sandy Deitch
Dinah Denness
Russell Denton
John Devine
Lorraine Devine
Helen Dickenson
Mark Dickson
Sylvia Dickson
Maria Dilello
Krystyna Dixon
Eunice Donato
Lynette Doucas
John Dowdall
Mette Doyle
Lucretia Draper
Andrea Drew
Peter Drewer
Georgina Drivas
John Drivas
Wei Wen Duan
Bernie Duane
Simone Duane
Royce Dunn
Greg Dunsmore

Trevor Eade
Steven Eldridge
Maria Erai
Rose Evans

Kerry Ann Fairclough
Andrew Fairlie
Anne Falkinder
Mark Farrelly
Chris Farrier
Fred Field
Walter Fiorito
Tim P. Fitzgerald
Siobhan Fitzpatrick
Tim Forrester
Tracey Forrester
Truls Foshaug
Mike Foster
Lynne Fox
Russell Fox
John Franzi
Roslyn Franzi
Irene Fraser
Karen Fraser
Peter Fraser
Warwick Fraser
Lisa Freebury
Adam Frost
Mariko Fukada

Sally Garden
Bruno Gelonese
David Gibbons
Jenny Gibbons
Bruce Gibson
Marlene Gibson
Mark Giffin
Reg Gilroy
Kevin Ginbey
Sue Ginbey
Sylvia Gleeson
Kingsley Gock
Mickey Goldzweig
Jamie Gordon
Sibel Goren
Jocelyn Goss
Ina Gourley
Peter Govers-Ballard
Gina Graham
Jessie Gray
Phil Greenhalgh
David R. Griffiths
Jarrod Grimshaw
Tom Grimshaw

Carol Hallett
Paul Hamilton
Steve Hancock
Scarlett Hanna - she went public and recently got married to Will Fry so I'd say yes she's out
Lidia Hannah
Brett Hansell
Bruce Hardie Neil
Kevin Harris
Shimmy Harris
Shaun Hart
Yuka Hasegawa
Rhonda Hatzirodos
Derek Hayward
Richie Hayward
Susan Hayward
Louise Henderson
Frank Hercus
Michael Herson
Ronda Herson
Robyn Hess
Muriel A. Higgins
Benjamin Hill
Kelly Hirst
Roger Hjorleifson
Beate Hohl
Claire Holbrook
Shane Hollindale
Cyril H. Holman deceased
Harry Honnor
Wendy Honnor
Lili Hsieh
Cathy Hsu
Anna Huang
Peter Hubble
Jan Hudson
Gareth William Hughes
Justin Hughes
Martha Philippa Hughes
Aisling M. Hume
Joanne Hunter
Cathy Hurst
Caeylinh Huynh

Ian Ingram
Kryoung Bin In
Michael Irvine

Doug Jack
Afrika James
Nerida James
Tammy James
Trinidad James
Laurent Jang
Pat Jarvis
Daphne Jefford - deceased
Kim Jefford
Samantha Jefford
Gloria Jen
Caron Jenkins
Steve Jenkins
Ian Jennings
Joe Jia
Gay Johnson
Jo Johnson
Martin Johnson
Stephanie Jones
Kathleen Joyce

Marie Kable
Jacqueline Kalab
Rudy Kalab
Jim Kalaitzis
Anne Kannar
Andrew Kay
Jim Keating
Sue Keating
Nella Kerr
Michelle Keys
Nick Keys
Jenny Kiggins
Wendy Kingdon
Michael King
Sue Kinnear
Ken Klaebe
Fred Klemick
Margaret Klemick
Maia Knaggs
Kwan Woong Koo
Robert Koshemakin
Gabriella Kovacevic
James Kovacevic
Carolyn Kyle

Charles Lander
Win Lander
Jenny Lane
Peter Mart Lardelli
Cindy Law
Richard Law
Jay Lawrence
Brad Lawson
Eva Lawson
Nick Lee
Tom Lee
Alexander Lemon
Angie Paice & Neil Lemon
Aran Levin
Erik Levin
Rita Levin
Yen Shen Li
Yueh-Chan Lin
Zhuangling Lin
Roslyn Lind
Doug Lindsay
Jacinta Lindsay
Emily Liu
Megan Liu
Wendy Liu
Diego Llisebir
Vanessa Llisebir
Steve Lovrinovic
Margaret Lowe
Lynne Lowenstein
Nijole Lowes
Peter Joseph Lubychij
Gaetono De Luca
Elvira Luchini

Jenny Maartens
Robert MacDonald
Yvonne MacDonald
Kevin Mackey
Vicky Mackey
Terry Macnee
Joe Malesic
Tracey Marashian
Rudi Marashlian
Tracey Marashlian
Felix Marci
Damon Markopoulos
Melissa Marks
George Noel Marston
Denis John Martin
Lyssandra Martin
Pauline Maszlagi
Rae Maxwell
Julie Mayhew
Mike McAuliffe
Gregory McCarthy
Fiona McClintock
Julie Wynne McClintock
Patrick McColl
Kathy McCurdy-Zagame
Alan McLoughlin
Tracey McNamara
Rogan McNeil
Julie McSweeny
Albert Megraw
Francis Mei
Simon Meney - deceased
Ian Merchant
Joan Merchant
Angelo Mesiti
Brian Micallef
Helen Micallef
Viorica Mihalcea
Bev Mihalic
Elena Maria Milkovitsch
Joel Miranda
Peter Miranda
Claire Monaghan
Sergio Morello
Shorne Morris
Joseph Morrison
Joan Mort
Gerhard Mottl
Pertti Muhli
Peter Mulder
Rev. Ronald Munn
Tarryn Munro
Diana Murphy
Peter Murphy
Terry Murphy
Garry Murrin

Glenys Nall
Bruce Hardie Neil
Karen Neil
Mark Newman
Matthew Newman
Nick Newman
Mary Newman-Martin
Phil Newman-Martin
David Ni
Ross Nichols
Eleanor Nitche
Katrina Nitsche
Leanne Nobrega
Rochelle North

Paul O'Connor
Akiko O'Connor-Suganuma
David O'Donnel
Ross O'Donoghue - deceased
Shuawn O'Meara
Coby O'Sullivan
Donna O'Sullivan
Chrystyna Offenbuame
Tony Oliver
Manfred Onder
Carmel Ovseev

Norman Pakes
Helen Panayi
Stewart Payne
Wayne Peachey
George Pearson
Alistair Percy
Thomas Phillips
Derek R. Phillips
Chris Phillips
Ken Pilkington
Mr. David Plaister
Johnny Plustwik
Ron Pollard - deceased
Fay Pollard
John Poulakis
Chris Power
Rod Prater
Leigh Price
Kimberley Prickett
Cheryl Puethe

Conny Quintal
Steve Quintal

Brian W. Rackham
Carmen Isabell Rainer
Andrew Randell
Jason Rayner
Arthur Redi
Jo Reid
Thomas Reid
Maree Reily
Paul Rendall - deceased
Archie Riddell
Bet Riddell
Mark Riddell
Andrew F. Rinder
Barbara J. Rinder
Patricia Rinder
Carol Robins
Nick Robins
Robert Robins
Rosalind Robins
Peter Robinson
Rick Robjent
Melanie Robson
Sarah Robson
Serena Robson
Maria M. Rojas
Eva Ross
Heidi Ross
Garnet Rottcher
Janine Rowlands
Maryanne Ryland

Elizabeth Safra
Myrna Louise Safra
Roger Safra
Gina Salmon
Peter Salmon
Woodie Sampson
Christine Margaret Sanderson
Jennifer Schelbert
Enzo Schiliro
Nerina Schiliro
Alan Schneider
Mark Scupham
Kay Seabrook
Ron Segal
Pelite Sei
John Sellers
Anna Serra
Geoff Serra
Carlo Sferco
Hilary Shead
Ted Shelly
Colin Sherman
Chris Shipman
Richie Shiu
Anita Shyee
Amy Silva
Maria Silva
Elenor Simpson
Peter Simpson
Robin Sinclair
Ravi Singh
Vilmer Skov
Vanessa Smit
Ailee Smith
Carla Smith
Dorreen Smith
Rose Whelan Smith
Barbara Smyth
Paul Snodgrass
Keith Soanes
Fabrizio Soncin
Frances Sowerby
John Sowerby
Steve Spargo
Graeme Sprigge
Jason Standford
Noriko Stanford
Giles Stapleton
Kelly Stauffer
Isaac Steele
Stevan Steele
Tessa Steele
George Sterling
Carol Stewart
Erin Stewart
James Stivey
John J Stivey
Rick Stoker
Ivan Stone
Mark Stone
Katie Strahan
Mr. Roy Strahan
Ray Streeter
Ben Strong
Coby Sullivan
Flora Sullivan
John Sullivan
Olivia Sullivan
Jeanine Summers
Robin Sunol
Maggie Sweeney
Paul Sweeney
Mary Szental

Tatiana Talei
Judy Tampion
Dale Tangiora
Guy Taylor
Helen Taylor
Irma Taylor
Lynette Thom
Neil Thomas
Sue Thompson
Roy Thomson
David Thor
Sandy Thurston
John Tidswell
Tony Timms
Chris Tingley
Chad Tippapart
Valerie Tivan
Johanes Tjuatja
Henrik Tkacz
Michael Tomblin
Michael Trethowanf
Mario Treu
Annie Turner
Cheryl Turner
Grahame Turner
Pauline Turner
Tony Tzouvelis

Ken Vac
Lucas Van Berkel
Suzanna Van Berkel
Vincent Van Berkel
Pat Van Der Voorden
Pieter Van der Wal
Son Van Vu
John Vardis
Andras Vermes-Gabos
Cecile Vowles
Colston Vowles

Matt Waite
Clive J. Wakeham
Angela Wang
Jessica Wang
Yvonne Wang
Audrey Warren
Garry Watkins
Graeme Watson
Denise Webb
Irene Wei
Billy Weir
Diana Welbourne
Merryn Weston
Jody Whelan
Samantha Rose Smith Whelan
Derek White
Geoffrey White
Grant White
Marion Whiteside
Andrew Whyte
Kim van Wichen
Hans-Peter Wiederkehr
Benji Wijitpun
Ian Wilde
Paul Wilkinson
Greg Williams
Jeremy Williams
Lisa Williams
Lizzy Williams
Ben Willows
Jason Willows
Jenny Willows
Steve Willows
Joe Wills
Bill Wilson
James Wilson
Gerhart Wittwer
Marian Wittwer
Claudette Woodley
Michael Woods
Trevor Woods
Richard Wright
Eve Wu

Monique Xenophontas

Ja Ja Yang
Simon Young

Assunta Zaghet
Jason Zani
Laurence Zani
Pauline Zani
Werner Zimmer

NEW ZEALAND

Mark Allison
Vickey Alpe
Antionette Anderson
Mike Avery
Christopher Barnett
George Bell
Pearl Bennett
Bruce Berntsen
Ken Boyd
Nola Boyd
Colleen Bray
Karina Casement
Melva Collins
Michelle Conole
Paul Conole
Dave D'audney
Win Dickey
Rob Dickie
Julie Dockerty
Tony Dowling
John H Duncan
Phillip Evans
James Ferriss
Alana Foai
Manase Foai
Mira Forrest
Denny Frater
Penese Gason
Glynis Gillott
Ian Gillott
Laurie Bingham
Robin Bin Han
Arampamo Haran
Jude Harrod
Charlie Hobbs
Varina Horne
Elaine Jack
Jimmy Jackson
Tony Johnson
Kororia Kahui-Ariki
Matt Kiely
Gail Laing
Anh Le Ngoc
Dana Lee
Simon Lee
Johnathin Littler
Lynnaire Liversedge
Neil Liversedge
Dane Luxford
Paul Maunder
Campbell McCorquodale
Heather McLeary
Mo McLeary
Robert McMullen
Shane Millar
Claude Moffat
Dianne Monk
Judith Moore
Brian Murray
Eve Owen
Kevin Owen
Michelle Owen
Pastor Puke Parai
Nigel Patterson
Dick Peters
Irene Pook
Warren Portsmouth
Tim Pringle
Yure Radojkovich
Travel Rakoia
Stephan Rawles
Andy Redfern
Debbie Rose
Anton Royce
David Rule
Tim Saunders
Kay Sawyer
John Scott
Rebecca Simons
Alison Slade-Baker
Helen Smith
Karyn Smits
Patrick Anthony Spencer-Smith
Harvey Stapleton
Karen Stephenson
Mary Stevens
Luke Stock
Ian Sugden
Kathy Swords
Mark Swords
Mana Tewhata
Ena Tito
Marisha Turol
Ben Van Den Berg
Shelley Van Den Berg
Geoff White
Keitha Wilcox
Tony Williams
Anita Wiseman

I've put a strike through for one's I know are out and of course indicated if they are deceased.

This list is about the year 2000 and has public listed from orgs and not just Sydney public so not too sure where the list was generated.

[RogerB]

June Budgeon (wife of Ron) is deceased. Died in about 1970-1.... Ron Budgeon was my partner in business at the time.

The scilons were really trying to boost up their numbers with this list!

R

[Panda Termint]

June Budgeon (wife of Ron) is deceased. Died in about 1970-1.... Ron Budgeon was my partner in business at the time.

The scilons were really trying to boost up their numbers with this list!

R
Nah, June Budgeon (formerly June Turner) is still with us, Roger. You must be thinking of an earlier-similar Mrs Budgeon.

For some recent info on June, see this Feral post http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21537-Any-Aussies-know-this-woman&p=573310&viewfull=1#post573310

[RogerB]

Nah, June Budgeon (formerly June Turner) is still with us, Roger. You must be thinking of an earlier-similar Mrs Budgeon.

For some recent info on June, see this Feral post http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21537-Any-Aussies-know-this-woman&p=573310&viewfull=1#post573310

Ahh, OK. Both his wives were named June :melodramatic:(the man was a sucker for it :eyeroll: bless his heart.)

But I recall you are right. June #2 was actually a staffer, either St Hill or LA . . . and I think ex SO.

Budge was a good man. Quite decent and well meaning. His death would have been rather recent, in the scheme of things, in the last few years, and he would have been quite old, into his 90's if he were still alive today.

I see Jessie Gray on the list . . . if she's still alive :melodramatic: she might be a hundred-plus! She was a real trooper. She was Wally Burgess's ex 2D when he lived in Oz, and she did around 100 hours of CCH1 on me in around 1961.

In 1981 she told Wally to tell me I could have my bloody hand back! :yes: :hysterical: :hysterical: :thankyou: :thankyou:

Rog

[Mick Wenlock]

Nah, June Budgeon (formerly June Turner) is still with us, Roger. You must be thinking of an earlier-similar Mrs Budgeon.

For some recent info on June, see this Feral post http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21537-Any-Aussies-know-this-woman&p=573310&viewfull=1#post573310

I worked with June at Saint HIll when I first got into the SO, she is from Hawick in Scotland. Glad to kn ow she is still going!

[Petey C]

When I was reading a post by Rene Descartes the other day I burst out laughing remembering a guy I regged at Sydney Day years ago. He said his name was Soren Kierkegaard. Innocent that I was, I said oh, like the famous philosopher. I think this Soren was a bit taken aback but he said yes, he had the same name. At the time I thought this was a wonderful coincidence. Now I know he was using a pseudonym that most of the org (including me) was too stupid to see through.

Anyone know what happened to "Soren Kierkegaard"? He did a Comm Course and some auditing, I believe.

[Panda Termint]

LOL. Soren is still around, Petey. That's his real name. He stuck it out and got up to OT5, methinks.

I like him a lot. We've been casual friends for all that time but seldom see each other. He keeps a pretty low profile these days but is a good guy as far as I'm concerned, I wish him well.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

When I was reading a post by Rene Descartes the other day I burst out laughing remembering a guy I regged at Sydney Day years ago. He said his name was Soren Kierkegaard. Innocent that I was, I said oh, like the famous philosopher. I think this Soren was a bit taken aback but he said yes, he had the same name. At the time I thought this was a wonderful coincidence. Now I know he was using a pseudonym that most of the org (including me) was too stupid to see through.

Anyone know what happened to "Soren Kierkegaard"? He did a Comm Course and some auditing, I believe.

Yes, Soren Kierkegaard was a real person although I never met him. His wife, Sue, audited me on several occasions and I thought she was a wonderful person. I know not whether Sue and Soren are still a couple.

[Petey C]

Amazing. His name is really Soren Kierkegaard? Hard to believe. But I suppose it would be hard to maintain a pseudonym for all those years. Anyway, if you're reading this, Soren, sorry for getting you in!

[scooter]

His original name was something else then someone told him he looked like the famous philosopher and he eventually changed his name to that.

Then later in session he "discovered" he had been Kierkegaard.

Nice fella and his missus was a great person too. Both originally Kiwis who made their way over the ditch and unfortunately fell into the bigger ditch called $ilontology.

[Emma]

Roger, you clearly never worked for Phyll Stevens! I did, and frankly I'd rather stand on my head in a bucket of shit than do that again. I had more or less the same experiences as Mystery Sanger did. And just the other day I was talking to an ex who is now a highly successful businessman who told me Phyll had said to him that he would NEVER be successful. IMO Phyll was vindictive, arrogant, defensive, very impressed with herself and basically a ball-buster. She had very limited real world experience. She was the sort of "data series evaluator" who came up with a who and a why and then proceeded to write an eval backwards from there. The time I spent working under her (and I use that term advisedly, I still have the boot imprint on my cheek) was sheer bloody hell. I got regularly punished for things I did as well as things I couldn't possibly have done. And yes, it was after her returned from Flag. I suspect she got demoted to ANZO after Flag, though we would never have known it then. And boy she sure made a lot of innocent people pay for that.

Sounds like Cheryl Wickens. Maybe Cheryl learned her "craft" from Phyll.

[Petey C]

Anyone know what happened to Andy Youngman, formerly in the GO ANZO?

[degraded being]

Anyone know what happened to Andy Youngman, formerly in the GO ANZO?

Is this him?

http://greypath.com/node/20050

and
http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Andrew+%22Andy%22+Youngman

[Panda Termint]

Anyone know what happened to Andy Youngman, formerly in the GO ANZO?
Andy is still around and still-in (kinda) as far as I know.

[Petey C]

Is this him?

http://greypath.com/node/20050

and
http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=Andrew+%22Andy%22+Youngman

Sure is. It sounds like he's still drinking the Kool-aid, though. Pity. I always kind of liked him. Thanks for the links, DB -- I shoulda done that meself.

[mysterysandwich]

Dug up some old photos of some friends from back in Sydney.
Back row Left to right: William Holman with Vivienne Deyes (Later Vivienne Lowe),Margaret Tidy, Noel O'Donnell, Sue O'Donnell, Andy Milne, Irenie Sanderson, Peter Zimmatore, (can't remember), Cyril Holman, (Cyril's wife), Alan Wright and child.

Front Row Left to Right: Ian Lazenby, Natasha Cramey, John Brownlee (me), Erin Wright (nee O'Donnell then later Milne) and child

[mysterysandwich]

Back row left to right: Julie Cramey, Sue Easley (later Cartwright), Joan Broughton (later Duffy), (unknown friend of Kevin and Linnah McPherrin), (forgotten his name).

Middle row: Me(John Brownlee), John Forrest, Lynn Hyman (later Greenslade).

Front Row: Paul Hart (the golfer), Joan Brownlee (my sister-later Treasure), (friend of Kevin's), Kevin McPherrin (holding Moksha), Linnah McPherrin.

[mysterysandwich]

David Graham in about 1977(?)

[mysterysandwich]

THE Martin Bentley

[mysterysandwich]

Photo on left: Peter Zimmatore, Vivienne Deyes (later Lowe), John Brownlee, (?), Mike Zimmatore
Photo on right: Peter Z, me, Mike Z

[Karen#1]

Are there any Aussies or Kiwis ...

who would be kind and gentle to

A NEW NEW veteran Aussie of 35 years...just leaving the Cult ?

Even though he will be an Indie ?

Anyone willing to write him an Email of congratulations and support ? Willing to invite him to post here ?

It is HUGE life changing step for him.....
support needed.

Let me know, and I will post the info...

[mysterysandwich]

Left to Right: Sue O'Donnell(I think), me, Jan Hill (nee Maunder, later Mullane), Phyll Stevens, Andy Milne (in back)

[mysterysandwich]

Noel and Sue O'Donnell and sons (Stephen and....?), Andy Milne, Fiona Milne

[Free to shine]

Are there any Aussies or Kiwis ...

who would be kind and gentle to

A NEW NEW veteran Aussie of 35 years...just leaving the Cult ?

Even though he will be an Indie ?

Anyone willing to write him an Email of congratulations and support ? Willing to invite him to post here ?

It is HUGE life changing step for him.....
support needed.

Let me know, and I will post the info...

Count me in Karen. :)

[Free to shine]

Noel and Sue O'Donnell and sons (Stephen and....?), Andy Milne, Fiona Milne

Thanks for the photos Mr Sandwich. What years are the photos? About the only one I recognise is Phyll Stevens, so it must be before my time, (67ish)?

[mysterysandwich]

Left to Right: Natasha Cramey, Vivienne Deyes (later Lowe), Linnah McPherrin, Noel O'Donnell, Kevin McPherrin, Sue O'Donnell, Andy Milne

[mysterysandwich]

No, not that early. All are from the 70's. Earliest are about 1973 I think and latest about 1977 or '78.


Thanks for the photos Mr Sandwich. What years are the photos? About the only one I recognise is Phyll Stevens, so it must be before my time, (67ish)?

[mysterysandwich]

(double post)

[mysterysandwich]

Have to use your imagination here. This was one of the photos used in a blurb for the org about 1975, I think. This was taken at Lee street on the second floor when the HGC and Qual were still there. (later moved to Fourth floor). The door at the back next to the 100% standard tech sign is to the CS office and the door at the back on the right is to one of the auditing rooms.


Left to right: Gwen Matthews (back to camera), Kevin McPherrin, (unknown), Edith Nietsche, Julie Cramey, Vivienne Deyes (later Lowe), Martin Bentley

[mysterysandwich]

Noel and Sue O'Donnell with Alan Wright and Vivienne Deyes (later Lowe) in the background

[mysterysandwich]

This one is of Jan Matthews on her wedding day. Jan married Paul Schoble. With her is Jan Eastgate and her father.

[Emma]

WOW! Thanks for posting these. :biggrin:

[The_Fixer]

Are there any Aussies or Kiwis ...

who would be kind and gentle to

A NEW NEW veteran Aussie of 35 years...just leaving the Cult ?

Even though he will be an Indie ?

Anyone willing to write him an Email of congratulations and support ? Willing to invite him to post here ?



It is HUGE life changing step for him.....
support needed.

Let me know, and I will post the info...

Me three. PM me if you like. Sometimes tkes me a little while to catch up with some threads.

[mysterysandwich]

That's Joe Cartwright (GO) in the bra. And his wife Sue (nee Easley)

[mysterysandwich]

This was taken in LA at the CCHR conference (1976?) there. My sister went with a contingent of Aussies including Elaine

[Free to shine]

Yes, after my Sydney time.

Wow ... Elaine, Martin ... I only met Joe Cartwright once I think but was a good friend of his brother Alan, who has gone on to bigger and more destructive things. I think I met Julie ... I went out with her son Chris who died after I had left for Saint Hill. And Martin Bentley played a huge part in my story. Brings back a lot of memories.

[Panda Termint]

Thanks for posting those, John, they made me smile. :)
Lotsa familiar (and hairy) faces. :biggrin: