Update on the Sydney Ideal Org situation

[Zhent]

I thought it was about time for an update on this, I don't think its really been discussed since they moved out to the temp org, and now we have some more data and a clearer idea of whats going on. Also I really need to write down some stuff and gather my thoughts before I forget it all.


As you probably know, the Org at 201 Castlereagh st closed down and they moved into their new (temporary) building at 4 Hercules st Surry Hills around June.
Scientology has leased the building for a year in 2x6 month blocks for $390,000 (2022 sqm gross floorspace). This lease expires on the 14th of July, 2010.

Here is a pic for reference:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2611/3914736254_0b4c84405f.jpg


Now whilst at the protest on Saturday I noticed this big sign on the side of the building:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2593/3913943339_66fa1601b5.jpg

The building is being sold off for when Scientology leaves, and actually its already been sold before the auction. There's already some approved DA's for it, and its probably going to be turned into this commercial/retail thing:
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5589/5515589gl1237270732.jpg

Also after a little digging online I found some pics of the current interior of the org that may be of interest :

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5589/5515589al1250580959.jpg
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5589/5515589bl1250580959.jpg
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5589/5515589cl1250580960.jpg
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5589/5515589el1250582928.jpg

Relavent links:
http://www.dbproperty.com.au/property.php?id=1344
http://www.realcommercial.com.au/5515589
You can find floor plans, site surveys and more at these.


Anyway getting back on track to the Ideal org, what interested me about the sale and the data I found online about it was that Scientology now has a firm (?) deadline to be out of the building of the 14th of July 2010.

Of course the problem with this is that Scientology wont have a home then!

Quick history lesson on the state of Scientology's DA for the Ideal Org:
The final submission of the upgrade was lodged in November last year, after much revision and debate it was approved in June 2009.
Whats happened since then?
Nothing.
In fact in August they filed for a deferred commencement following even more revisions to the plan! They don't even have a construction permit yet, and as of Saturday when I walked past it the building is completely empty, boarded up and untouched. (save for the doors being covered with dianetics seminar posters)

Here is a pic:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2672/3918442227_6b3d5de663.jpg


Now I'm no civil engineer, but I think the chance of completing their proposed upgrades (and they are quite major) in 10 months seems a pretty improbable task. I think they are going to try and throw even more money at it to try and expedite it, but I just don't see it happening in time. Plus I don't think they have the money to complete the upgrade anyway. According to my estimates from donation lists they have about $5Million in donations. I imagine they have been regging super hard in the last 6 months so you can probably bump that up another million. Still far short of the $12Mil needed, wheres the rest going to come from I wonder?
IAS going to bail them out? I doubt it very much, I've never seen Sydney listed as a 'IAS sponsored ideal org' in any publications, in fact I've hardly ever seen Sydney mentioned at all!



Also whilst at the protest I managed to snag a few pics of just what their upgrade is going to look like. They had some displays up in their foyer showing computer renders of what its supposedly going to look like.
Note the quality of these pics are pretty poor as I was shooting through glass from a distance (obviously they wont let me in to take pics). I'm pretty sure this is the first time these have been seen on the net though so its probably worth it.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/3913976761_cb944488b9_o.jpg
This is the Cafe

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/3913976345_7c7001ddf3_o.jpg
This looks like a courseroom

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2655/3913976041_cb69526fd8_o.jpg
Reception area (cut off) and the display stands on the first floor (front groups etc)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/3914759996_c634e951b5_o.jpg
This is their proposed exterior, if you're familiar with the current building you will know this is a fairly major face-lift. Actually I'm pretty sure most of this is NOT going to happen given the conditions of the DA and 201 being heritage listed. (one note: the tree outside has to stay and their awning can't interfere with it! :coolwink: )

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3914759556_9127027489_o.jpg
The LRH office, lol

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3913974809_e311b0e395_o.jpg
The Chapel, ughh

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2568/3914758960_bdf522eb5b_o.jpg
Not sure about this one

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3914758728_e4aa77644c_o.jpg
An auditing room


Note this is pretty standard fair for Ideal Orgs, like most of the other Ideal's or major renovations around the world its just pretty computer graphics that DM is pumping out. Quite interesting none the less.
As you can see from the pics its a pretty major overhaul (and at a cost of $12 mil remember) and like most Scientology building projects its not going to get done in time.
Only in this case Scientology is pretty screwed because they cant stay longer in the temp Org!

For reference heres what a previous concept of the exterior looked like:
http://i25.tinypic.com/1zd11za.jpg
The green glass house thing on the top has since been scaled down to 2.5 floors.

I also found this weird flyer with a rendering of the ideal, not sure when or where it came from, but its definitely from quite a while back.
http://i26.tinypic.com/k189ll.jpg


Anyway this thread is getting pretty long and rambling, I think I've summed up most of the important new data here so now I will let others speculate on whats going to happen with the Ideal (and Scientology when their lease runs out!)

I think the next year is going to be very interesting for Scientology in Sydney :coolwink:

[degraded being]

Well, when they have to move out of the temp place and they are waiting for the upgrade of that fucking old dump in Castlereagh st, they can use the new Auckland org which was bought for about 10 million god knows how long ago (1 year?) and is still empty.

Yes they would have to get there by boat. Mind you when it's time to get out of the syd temp org the Auckland org might still not be ready. Something about the foundations of that of stone historic building have to be fixed up first. I wonder how many more million that will take, that the international Assoc of Scicultist will have to pay seeing as the two hundred scicultists left in NZ don't have any dosh.

[Nurse Pinch]

When I first saw the bag full of money on the bottom picture, I thought it was a toilet. Would have made more sense if it was :whistling:

Pinchy.

[Dulloldfart]

Thanks very much for all the work, Zhent.

Paul

[Carmel]

Yeah, thanks Zhent, it's good to have the info. :thumbsup:

I gather that the 'stop' on the reno's at Castlereagh St, must be due to lack of approval from up lines (DM). Given that they got the Development Application approved, you'd think they'd be right in there with the Construction Certificate all but finalized and ready to go, but as the CC has to specify every little detail, which can't be changed, that's more than likely the hold up - Even when things weren't as nutty as they are now, it used to take an age to get approval on anything - I recall it taking an absolute age to get approval from up lines on the colour which we chose to paint the building in the early '90's.

How bizarre not having it all done, ready to go, and started in the shortest possible time. It's the public's money they're throwing down the girgler though, not theirs. That makes ya feel sick, but there ya go.

[scooter]

Thanks Zhent - great work.

Methinks the stop is that DM has spent the money already.:p

But the marks are being told something different to keep them paying up.

Just my two cents worth.:D

[Mystic]

Most excellent OP Zhent. I think the situation scifaggOTry is in there in Sydney well represents a general over-all view of the entire cult status across the world, Masters of Footbulletry.

[Wisened One]

Wow, great work gathering all that data, Zhent! :thumbsup:

And...when I saw that last promo piece, I want somebody to take that and make it say: 'Show Me The OT' then edit the following statements on it as well, THEN stand outside the temp (and new) places and hand THOSE out, :giggle:

[Zhent]

I gather that the 'stop' on the reno's at Castlereagh St, must be due to lack of approval from up lines (DM). Given that they got the Development Application approved, you'd think they'd be right in there with the Construction Certificate all but finalized and ready to go, but as the CC has to specify every little detail, which can't be changed, that's more than likely the hold up - Even when things weren't as nutty as they are now, it used to take an age to get approval on anything - I recall it taking an absolute age to get approval from up lines on the colour which we chose to paint the building in the early '90's.

I was definitely thinking this. I cant remember which one it was, but in one of DM's long rambling speeches he was talking about the Ideal org project and how they are all going to '100% standard' and perfect right down to the last detail.
I think they are all being completely designed by some big architectural firm in America that DM was rambling on about (extolling its awesomeness without ever naming them or providing details). If this is the case then its no wonder things have been slow, trying to get the city council to liaise with the firm in America would be a nightmare I imagine. And of course there's the issue of 201 being heritage listed and subject to some stringent requirements regarding the refurbishment that I bet is infuriating Davey and his plans for 100% Ideal standards.


BTW: Scientology did manage to paint the building! They filed a DA in June after they leased the place to repaint the front facade and build new steps. When I was there on Saturday I did indeed notice they had finally completed the paint job!
The additional steps however, remain non-existent :lol:

Also I'm not sure if many of you may of heard, but Scientology did not file for a DA for the redevelopment/refurbishment of the temp org at 4 Hercules st!
All that work their 'volunteer tradies' did was quite illegal, I'm not sure if this was harpoon'd though...

[Lulu Belle]

And of course there's the issue of 201 being heritage listed and subject to some stringent requirements regarding the refurbishment that I bet is infuriating Davey and his plans for 100% Ideal standards.


You'd think after going through what COS went through with the HGB DM would know better than to buy another "historical" building.

:eyeroll:

[Feral]

Thanks Zhent!

It occurred to me that if they have committed to paying nearly $400K for the year in rent, that based on my experience with Syd Day and Syd F that they've paid nearly as much for a years rent than they can sell in service.

Forget about their other delivery costs, after paying int everything they'd 'earn' would go to the rent. Bad economic sense.

So we can now suppose that the rent was paid out from 'ideal org' proceeds, if this doesn't highlight that the ideal org plan is a ruse for DM to acquire real estate I don't know what does.

Paying the rent from ideal org reserves mantains the illusion of legitimacy which facilitates the fleecing of the flock.

We've applied for our ideal org monies to be repaid. I recommend others do the same.

Consumer affairs are taking the fight on our behalf should they not be forthcoming wth the money.

[supafreak]

Thank you, Zhent. Very interesting! :coolwink:

[Outethicsofficer]

Zhent, this was a great piece of work.

I will make it a priority to get a VM Jacket to you for all of your good work on this.

Kind regards
James

[scooter]

Thanks Zhent!

It occurred to me that if they have committed to paying nearly $400K for the year in rent, that based on my experience with Syd Day and Syd F that they've paid nearly as much for a years rent than they can sell in service.

Forget about their other delivery costs, after paying int everything they'd 'earn' would go to the rent. Bad economic sense.

So we can now suppose that the rent was paid out from 'ideal org' proceeds, if this doesn't highlight that the ideal org plan is a ruse for DM to acquire real estate I don't know what does.

Paying the rent from ideal org reserves mantains the illusion of legitimacy which facilitates the fleecing of the flock.

We've applied for our ideal org monies to be repaid. I recommend others do the same.

Consumer affairs are taking the fight on our behalf should they not be forthcoming wth the money.

Count me in on the refund - will get a request off soonest.

I'm not too sure they're even getting in $400k per annum these days - I reckon it's a lot less and I'm wondering just where they'll move "temporarily" once this lease is up.

Will ask around and see what I can find out.:coolwink:

BTW OSA - you have NO idea who still talks to me these days.:D

[Cherished]

We've applied for our ideal org monies to be repaid. I recommend others do the same.

Consumer affairs are taking the fight on our behalf should they not be forthcoming wth the money.

ORLY?


More info, please?

[Carmel]

ORLY?


More info, please?
Mefinks 'es said enuff awreddy! :coolwink:

[Sir Facer]

Thanks for the great update,

I walked past the Org on Monday and the Garage door was wide open and a truck was reversed into it, so I thought there may be some movement at the station, or maybe just a pick up of left over stuff needed.

I know that they have a rat problem and if they leave the building empty too long it will become infested with rats again. (The Org has had to keep a cat for some time as having a Cat on the premisses seemed to be the only handling to keep them away, so I cannot imagine the Org keeping a cat in an empty freezzing building), so the other thought I had was the truck was a pest exterminator, however I could not see the sides of the truck for any signage.

But please keep us updated as will I when I see anything happen.:thumbsup:

[Shredder]

Thanks Zhent, for all your work putting the pics together -
it's ironic that the place for the LRH bust is outside the toilets - and quite a healthy outlook by the staff considering that this would have been an approved layout plan - maybe an undercurrent seeping through?.

[Lucretia]

I gather that the 'stop' on the reno's at Castlereagh St, must be due to lack of approval from up lines (DM).


Great info Zhent. Thank you.

When we were suckered into donating to the ideal org fund in Adelaide, we were told by the estates people that the only companies that could work on the org would be those who had signed WISE agreements. Even then I thought that this was the absolute height of stupidity. I was a $cilon back then, with my own business and I wouldn't sign up with WISE; what hope for a non-$cn company??

Anyway, is this still the policy - does anyone know? Because if they want companies to sign those stupid bloody things, they are going to have a long wait, and they'll be doing their FP meetings with the homeless in Hyde Park before they have an org to move into. I'd love to see that.

[Barbarious]

Good job Zhent.

Anyway, where did that flyer come from? More info on the flyer pls?

[Spirited]

thanks for posting zhet. i dont know how they can even afford the rent as there are only about 8 PC's on day auditing lines and a few people on course. all Taiwanese.

[Zhent]

Hello all, time for a quick update!

Anon was out in force today for a Halloween party, and conveniently enough there was an IAS world tour event on at the AO. Naturally we crashed their party but thats another story...
What I did get today was an important bit of data in the form of a sign on display inside the AO

" $2,250,000 TO GO! "

I didn't properly catch the rest of the sign but its obvious this is referring to the Ideal org fund.
This is quite interesting as it means they have raised about 10million, far more then what I previously thought.
So whats happened here is; They have been squeezing their rich members extra hard lately.
Or they have significantly lowered their targets and scaled back the Ideal.

I'm inclined to think both :coolwink:

Also of note is that renovations on 201 Castlereagh st have STILL not started yet.
The place is even more boarded up with bags over all the lower windows, however there was a crack and we managed to see a large mess in the basement like it was in the process of being torn down.
Still no real work done yet! I stand by what I said earlier in the OP, that Scientology is not going to get this done by July 2010 and they very may well be out of a home then.

[Once bitten]

Thanks for this Zhent. Great to have the updates. That money flier is grotesque! How ever the hardened scientologist could remain sucked in after seeing that is quite beyond me. What are they thinking?

[Miss Pert]

I know that they have a rat problem and if they leave the building empty too long it will become infested with rats again. (The Org has had to keep a cat for some time as having a Cat on the premisses seemed to be the only handling to keep them away, so I cannot imagine the Org keeping a cat in an empty freezzing building), so the other thought I had was the truck was a pest exterminator, however I could not see the sides of the truck for any signage.

The cat "Hobbs"is still there, or was at the time of your post, a staff member still stays at the old building every night and the staff donate any coinage from their "pay" toward feeding him. Hobbs is attention starved as he was once aloof and only came for pats if he wanted to, or was hungry, but now apparently he will even sleep with the staff member just to have company, a very sad existence for him.

[Miss Pert]

" $2,250,000 TO GO! "

I didn't properly catch the rest of the sign but its obvious this is referring to the Ideal org fund.
This is quite interesting as it means they have raised about 10million, far more then what I previously thought.
So whats happened here is; They have been squeezing their rich members extra hard lately.
Or they have significantly lowered their targets and scaled back the Ideal.

That is very interesting as when I left in September they were still promoting to the public and staff that they only needed to raise a total of 8.5mil and only had 1.8mil left to raise. Also, they may have raised 6.2 mil but only about 4mil of that has actually been collected, the rest is just pledges.

Oh, by the way, in the "ideal org" photos you took there was a space you were unsure of, that is the HGC waiting area.

[Miss Pert]

thanks for posting zhet. i dont know how they can even afford the rent as there are only about 8 PC's on day auditing lines and a few people on course. all Taiwanese.

Very true, and one less auditor

[Feral]

Very true, and one less auditor

HAHAHA!

Very good, and welome Miss Pert!:happydance:

[supafreak]

The cat "Hobbs"is still there, or was at the time of your post, a staff member still stays at the old building every night and the staff donate any coinage from their "pay" toward feeding him. Hobbs is attention starved as he was once aloof and only came for pats if he wanted to, or was hungry, but now apparently he will even sleep with the staff member just to have company, a very sad existence for him.

Poor kitty. :bigcry: Time to call the RSPCA.

[Spirited]

OH god!! thats just pathetic that the cat is treated like that. :angry:
what ever happened to Just normal old human decency?? and looking after it?

[Iknowtoomuch]

I would venture to guess they're using the donations to pay for their current rent.

[Feral]

I would venture to guess they're using the donations to pay for their current rent.

We're certain that you are quite correct. :)

[Iknowtoomuch]

We're certain that you are quite correct. :)



Do they really have a choice?!:D

[Zhent]

That is very interesting as when I left in September they were still promoting to the public and staff that they only needed to raise a total of 8.5mil and only had 1.8mil left to raise. Also, they may have raised 6.2 mil but only about 4mil of that has actually been collected, the rest is just pledges.

Oh, by the way, in the "ideal org" photos you took there was a space you were unsure of, that is the HGC waiting area.

Thank you very much for your recently-out perspective, this data is very important to me! (Perhaps I am getting a little too obsessed with Sydney's Ideal org project...)

As you probably know by now, the proposed renovations for the upgrade were going to cost ~$12 million according to the development application, so its very interesting that you say they only needed $8.5M. I guess they were trying to cut corners again, use their own free SO labour or something.
Your figure of $6.2M raised makes a lot more sense and fits in with what I had previously guessed.
I had actually forgotten about 'pledges' and I guess now most of the data I have got includes pledges, so the actual amount they have raised is even smaller!
$4Mil is quite a stretch to $12Mil :eyeroll:


Also while I'm at it, Pooks recently leaked a Sydney Ideal org email that really should be linked to in this thread:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2753/4054538529_439e847ef1_o.jpg

Note the render of the exterior, a better copy of what I took in the OP.

Also has anyone else noticed the Sydney Ideal logo has changed in the last year?

Rest of the email leak here : http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14339

[Zhent]

An Ideal org slideshow was recently leaked, and it contained a higher res render of the Sydney Ideal Org, so i'll just leave this here;

http://i47.tinypic.com/angdb7.jpg

Interestingly enough they are saying in the slideshow : "all orgs to have ideal org buildings owned by the end of 2009"
And "all orgs ideal by 2010"

Fat chance!

They also used this image of the AO which I think is hilarious, it must be at least 10 years old!

http://i46.tinypic.com/2qnm4wj.jpg

Also, I haven't been there personally, but don't think work has started on the Ideal yet :D (6 months late, oh shi-)
Anyone who is local care to provide updates here?

[Kookaburra]

I don't see the extra 1 1/2 stories in the picture. Anyone know what's up with that?

[scooter]

I noticed that too - it's just a tack-on of the fourth floor that appears in the picture.

Maybe they don't have the money nor the need for all that extra space they were originally planning?

[Feral]

I'm very suspicious that they are collecting way more to do the job than the job costs, as they did with the SP donations.

If so this is a clear breach of their fiduciary duties in the collection of funds.

You simply can't collect donations to do a specific action and then 'over collect' and use the funds for other projects.

We mean to hold them to account in their expenditure, as in the case of the Super Power project.

[Zhent]

I don't see the extra 1 1/2 stories in the picture. Anyone know what's up with that?

It is there, the whole idea of the extra stories are they are suppose to be 'unseen' from the street level, this was part of their arrangements to get the rennovation approved.

The extra floors are recessed behind that parapet thing. If you look to the side of the building you can see the extra floors sticking up (its a big glass house library).

[Zhent]

Well I was just reading the latest edition of International Scientology News (44), and of course they had the usual Ideal Org update crap...



Shown here are renderings of a sampling of newly acquired Church buildings, while the listing includes all new properties now in planning or currently in construction.
And heres the ANZO listing;


Auckland, New Zealand
Kaoshiung, Taiwan
Melbourne, Australia


OOOOHHH SNAP!
How does it feel Sydney? You have now gone backwards, its not even planned anymore! :roflmao:


Oh I cant wait to get out there this Saturday and give 'em hell over it...

[Dulloldfart]

They really have an Ideal Org planned for Taiwan called Ka-Shing?

Paul

[Daddio]

They really have an Ideal Org planned for Taiwan called Ka-Shing?

Paul

:roflmao:

Now THAT'S funny...

[Purple Rain]

It's very interesting to see the building boarded up like that, although quite sad for such a lovely old heritage building. I have only bad memories though, apart from the EPF which was fun.

The last time I walked out of CLO ANZO I thought, "I'm never setting foot in this place again."

The tone level in my org was fear towards the end - I distinctly remember pretending to be a piece of the furniture, so as not to be noticed.

But nobody wanted to go to CLO ever, and the sight of a missionaire would clutch at your heart. It was like the teacher asking who did something and you'd want to confess even though you knew you hadn't done it, and among ourselves we'd wonder who was going to be the 'why' this time - who would be the scapegoat.

We were all clay pigeons waiting to be shot. It was a miserable life.

I wonder what progress ACT is making to the Ideal Org. My idea of an ideal org is where people are treated with decency and humanity and real care. It takes a hell of a lot more than a building.

[Miss Pert]

I don't see the extra 1 1/2 stories in the picture. Anyone know what's up with that?

Yeah! They couldn't get approval for the extra floors if they were visible from street front because of the heritage listing so they are going to be set back a bit.

[Miss Pert]

They really have an Ideal Org planned for Taiwan called Ka-Shing?Paul

Very funny Dulloldfart and Daddio :roflmao: but it is pronounced "cow shoong" even if their spelling is a little different. :yes:

[Pooks]

Well I was just reading the latest edition of International Scientology News (44), and of course they had the usual Ideal Org update crap...





Any way we can get a scan of that Issue?

[Zhent]

Any way we can get a scan of that Issue?

Anonymous delivers, of course!

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/puddle-leaks-49134/17/

Check all the recent posts for new mag scans.

[suzuki t20]

My wanderings took me past the Castlereigh St building this morning & the basement car park was opened. There was lots of jackhammering going on & several constructions workers working with a small back hoe. Are they SPENDING money?

[Panda Termint]

Were the "construction workers" dressed in black T-shirts?

[Zhent]

My wanderings took me past the Castlereigh St building this morning & the basement car park was opened. There was lots of jackhammering going on & several constructions workers working with a small back hoe. Are they SPENDING money?

Interesting report.

We (anon) were outside of there today, the place was boarded up as usual and it doesn't look like anything has been done from the outside. However theres a small crack in their black sheets and I could see into the basement. Its mostly empty with lots of crap piled up against the walls, not really much different to what I have seen months ago.
Were the construction workers/backhoe actually doing work in the basement did you see?

I guess they are using the money they have to start work on the basement and work their way up? But DAMN they are going slow, at this rate the Ideal will never get done. Man its gonna be hilariously embarrassing when their lease runs out at 4 Hercules st and they can't move back in to 201!

Oh and btw, fund-raising is of course still not finished. They have even brought in Judee O'Leary to help fundraise this month, dunno who that is but they sound serious :omg:

[Dulloldfart]

Interesting report.


Perhaps false. :)

Paul

[scooter]

Dunno why they would be doing anything in the basement anyway - THAT'S puzzled me since I read the report.

There would be no need to alter anything down there as the actual structure would need to stay the same for the building and all of the "add-ons" over the years aren't put up very well at all - no need for a small back-hoe to take them down.

Very odd - the only sane reason would be repair work on maybe a broken pipe previously laid into the cement floor. But the piping for electricity/phone/gas/water from memory is all external to the structure. Maybe there is a water/gas pipe in the floor somewhere?:confused2:

[Miss Pert]

Very odd - the only sane reason would be repair work on maybe a broken pipe previously laid into the cement floor. But the piping for electricity/phone/gas/water from memory is all external to the structure. Maybe there is a water/gas pipe in the floor somewhere?:confused2:

That makes sense Scoot, as part of the reason they had to move out by the end of June last year was because ALL the old buildings in the city had to be thoroughly modified to meet fire safety regulations. That's all I think it could be. :confused2:

[Miss Pert]

Oh and btw, fund-raising is of course still not finished. They have even brought in Judee O'Leary to help fundraise this month, dunno who that is but they sound serious :omg:

Judee used to be one of the top reges for AOSH ANZO and was in the SO for a loooong time. I believe, but am not certain, she had to leave the SO because of physical problems, basicllay they kicked her out. She still had to pay her freeloaders though, even though she didn't actually want to leave the SO. She now lives in Queensland but comes down to Sydney every few months or so to help out with the fundraising.

[Zhent]

Looks like the renovations are to finally start for LRH's birthday?

Of course they are still hoping they will have raised the money by then...
With all these events lined up the pressure to donate must be astounding.

I'm keen to see what happens in the coming months.



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Here they are — totally committed to the Ideal Org project under the motto Together We Can! With only a few weeks left before we have to start the renovations on the 15th of March, events and actions are coordinated to make the target.

They will need your help to pull this off, so come to all the events, get yourself briefed up and be involved. We need everyone to participate. As soon as the money are in hand we can start.

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We are looking for people who have a passion for the Ideal Org project, who like to sing, dance, play music, act or perform in any way. We are looking for creative people who can organise, who like to help put on events, cater, etc. We need your help. Please contact the Sydney Org Fundraising Team.
Up and Coming Events
Special Briefing

Saturday 6th of February
Special Briefing to all Sydney Scientologists from the President of the Church and fundraiser combined starting at 6pm with a dinner. Call the org for details on this. Entrance Fee $ 20.00 per person - includes dinner. (Child care is provided at venue). This briefing is a must.
Polynesian Luau

Saturday 13th of February
Definition: a "luau" is a Polynesian feast.

It features delicious exotic foods and entertainment. Come join us on the Polynesian Ideal Org island. The event is being held in Sydney Org and starts at 7pm. Be there on time.
ANZO Continental Fundraising Convention & Braveheart Fun-Raiser Extravaganza Evening

Saturday 20th of February
This is a fun-raising extravaganza event. We will be visited by representatives from every organisation in ANZO who are joining us for this event. There will be special guest speakers and artists and lots of fun. We want 300 people at this outrageous event that you do not want to miss. Be part of the history. The venue will be disclosed closer to the date, but book your calendar and confirm for this event now.

The theme for this event is Braveheart, Freedom Fighter. Get your costumes ready and if you wish, come a bit earlier, get your Braveheart make-up done.




4th of February, 2010
LRH Quote

“Happiness could be said to be the overcoming of not unknown obstacles toward a known and desirable goal.”
L. Ron Hubbard
Science of Survival
Calendar of Events

Saturday 6 February
Special Briefing
Where: Call the Org for details
Time: 6pm

Saturday 13 January
Polynesian Luau
Where: Sydney Org
Time: 7pm

Saturday 20 January
Braveheart Extravaganza
Where: To be advised
Time: 6pm

Pamper Package

50 Tickets available, $50 per ticket, get it now and help your Ideal Org!

* First prize is a full make up and hair make over, with matching, gorgeous dress!
* Second prize is a Helicopter ride in Doug's famous yellow chopper!
* Third prize is a full indulgence hamper - eat your way to heaven

Call Julian on 0425 803 997 or Mandy to give your order 0411 317 526
Don't Wait!

As always, you don't have to wait for the events to donate, feel free to make your contribution to:
Name: CofS ATF Academy Building Fund
Bank: National Australia Bank
BSB: 082 080
Acct: 56 491 12

[Carmel]

Thanks for posting Zhent, it's good to know what's going on, but, oh dear! :sad:

[Mystic]

With things like this going on:

* First prize is a full make up and hair make over, with matching, gorgeous dress!
* Second prize is a Helicopter ride in Doug's famous yellow chopper!
* Third prize is a full indulgence hamper - eat your way to heaven

Hey, this just isn't "scientology" as we knew it. It's not even "scientology" any longer, only the name remains.

Seems to be just some sort of continuing kid's-game scam constantly digging for money money and then money.

We have won the battle more than we possibly realize. The "scientology" we knew just doesn't exist any longer.

Butt! ZERO TOLERANCE!!!

[jenni with an eye]

Thanks Zhent,
I've just finished reading it...:omg:
Are they serious..:roflmao::roflmao:

[Kookaburra]

Thanks Zhent,
I've just finished reading it...:omg:
Are they serious..:roflmao::roflmao:

Yes, they're serious. Their Feb 13 Luau just happens to correspond with our monthly raid, so we will be out in force to welcome all the guests. The headcount should be interesting. We might have more protesters than they have public. :D Wanna come?

[DartSmohen]

Special announcement; First prize is ONE WEEK in Adelaide.

Second Prize is TWO WEEKS in Adelaide.
:roflmao:

Dart

[jenni with an eye]

Special announcement; First prize is ONE WEEK in Adelaide.

Second Prize is TWO WEEKS in Adelaide.
:roflmao:

Dart
:omg:
:roflmao::roflmao:

[ULRC/S]

Geez Dart,
You got that wrong. The joke is meant to say:

First prize, a week in Melborne...

Who would ever want to go to Adelaide?

Regards, Allen

[purple haze]

Geez Dart,
You got that wrong. The joke is meant to say:

First prize, a week in Melborne...

Who would ever want to go to Adelaide?

Regards, Allen

I've been to Adelaide = city of churches. lol what a joke on the Church of Scn! And a luau too boot!
:hysterical:

[Lucretia]

"50 Tickets available, $50 per ticket, get it now and help your Ideal Org!

* First prize is a full make up and hair make over, with matching, gorgeous dress!
* Second prize is a Helicopter ride in Doug's famous yellow chopper!
* Third prize is a full indulgence hamper - eat your way to heaven "

First comment: 50 X $50 = $2,500???? What kind of fund raising is that?? Maybe for toilet paper for the year.

Second comment: Eat your way to heaven - a new process perhaps? Kirstie Alley is doing very well at it.

[Zhent]

Bump time. :)

It has now been a full YEAR since Sydney Org moved to 4 Hercules st, Surry Hills, and it now official - Scientology has WASTED their one year and $390,000 as ZERO construction work has been done on 201 Castlereagh st.

I managed to get up to Sydney on Saturday to see this for myself, here is a pic,
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4803945142_0e80ca8358_b.jpg

And you may note it is pretty much identical to the one in the OP.

Also if you have read the OP carefully you will note that Scientology's 1 year temporary lease of 4 Hercules St has expired. Or has it?

Certainly the 1 year is up from July 14, 2009, however I noted a distinct lack of packing at Hercules st, perhaps actually a sense of dejected permanency. Sure the Org was dead... but it always seems to be dead these days. :D

Another anon has told me that apparently Scientology had the option to purchase an additional 6 months lease with the original year. I have not been able to find confirmation of this, I even tried to contact the real-estate agent handling the buy but I never got a response back...

But anyway, it would SEEM that somehow Scientology has indeed managed to secure an additional lease on 4 Hercules St.

...But oh the shame the shame! What the public must be thinking over this ginormous flap - their flagship historical Org has lain empty for a year, and much money has been wasted to keep it that way while the public are forced to walk the 'ramp of shame' (what I call Hercules St Org's entrance ramp).

Now if Scientology only had the gift of FORESIGHT (See also: common sense), then perhaps they could of moved out when the ACTUALLY HAD THE MONEY TO UPGRADE. :duh:


So where does this leave things? Scientology is still stuck in a hole/warehouse/dump etc, 201 Castlereagh st remains a quiet monument to a foregone age of theta, and it seems there is not enough money to break the stalemate.

Even if they manage to whip up the money overnight, there is NO CHANCE they will get the org upgraded in 6 months. So now one can only hope that after another 6 months Scientology Sydney will finally run out of lifelines, be punished for their idiocy and forced to move into AOSH ANZO or something else ridiculously embarrassing.


My god, the hole Scientology Sydney have dug themselves into, it is almost unfathomable - (both their hole and the unfathomableness, both in literal and figurative senses....... oh now I've confused myself). :coolwink:

[Kookaburra]

What a pathetic mess! Someone probably had a Thursday 2pm target to get the org moved to temp premises so just pushed it through despite no DA or finds to renovate 201. Such is the way things go in Scn.

A few months ago they met their target of what was needed to start the renovations, about 6 million if I recall, and it still hasn't started. I hope the guy who threw in that last million dollar donation is righteously pissed off. I certainly would be.

Thanks for the update, Zhent. :thumbsup:

[Feral]

You know Zhent the total cost of the move and the now wasted rent could well exeed the total takings of both day and foundation orgs for the year.

It is a classic as far as bad business decisions go, but it stops being funny when you realise that it's their parishioner's idle org donations that were plundered and wasted to move the org to Hercules st. and next to a possible third location as the renovations may not come to fruition before the developer of Herculeds st. needs to start.

Maybe the CofS will crumble and start selling ideal morgues before they ever begin to renovate Castlereagh st.

[Kookaburra]

You know Zhent the total cost of the move and the now wasted rent could well exeed the total takings of both day and foundation orgs for the year.

It is a classic as far as bad business decisions go, but it stops being funny when you realise that it's their parishioner's idle org donations that were plundered and wasted to move the org to Hercules st. and next to a possible third location as the renovations may not come to fruition before the developer of Herculeds st. needs to start.

Maybe the CofS will crumble and start selling ideal morgues before they ever begin to renovate Castlereagh st.

I think the selling of this expensive real estate might be just what DM has up his sleeve. 201 is worth a bomb. Apparently also has a large mortgage on it, taken out on a fully paid for building in order to send money to DM. So they are likely still paying on the mortgage as well as the rent for Hercules St. I have a feeling that 201 will never be occupied by Scn again and all these donations will be frittered away.

Just as well. This Idle Org nonsense will sink Scn faster.

[Zhent]

I don't think its ever been mentioned online, but the land value of 201 Castlereagh st is $2,999,000. That coupled with the actual building... they could make a fair bit of money selling the place. That would allow them to buy a new building and keep Sydney Org alive for a few more years.
Only they were stupid enough to start tearing the interior apart in preparations for the upgrade, if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves. And of course theres the heritage listing, which makes refurbishment a difficult process (as the cult have themselves found out). I would be thinking all this has deffinetly lowered the value of place, as there would just be too much hassle and work for any prospective owners.

Anyone interested in spending $11? I would love to see the title deed to 201 Castlereagh from the NSW Lands and Property Management Authority.


For anyone curious, the land value for AOSH ANZO is $3,600,000
and the Dundas base - $1,280,000
Thats over $140,000 a year in land taxes.... which I don't think they pay.

[Lohan2008]

>>> if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves.

I would like to hear from former CofS memebers on the state of the electrical and construction work inside 201 Castlereagh St, I imagine "they" used RPF unqualified labour and I doubt anything would meet council specifications... :whistling:

[Panda Termint]

It's difficult to sell. I think it's Heritage listed and the real Church next door IS Heritage listed, this is a BIG problem for any re-devolpement of the site. Besides, they're not allowed to sell it per a specific Hubbard Advice (as if that Advice meant anything these days).

[Feral]

I think the selling of this expensive real estate might be just what DM has up his sleeve. 201 is worth a bomb. Apparently also has a large mortgage on it, taken out on a fully paid for building in order to send money to DM. <snip.>

When I was on staff in the late '80s we were told some int guy, since declared, mortgaged the building. We were having a flap making the annual interest payment at the time. I was since told that mortgage was gone, handled, kaput. Is this not true?


I don't think its ever been mentioned online, but the land value of 201 Castlereagh st is $2,999,000. That coupled with the actual building... they could make a fair bit of money selling the place. That would allow them to buy a new building and keep Sydney Org alive for a few more years.
<SNIP>
Anyone interested in spending $11? I would love to see the title deed to 201 Castlereagh from the NSW Lands and Property Management Authority.


For anyone curious, the land value for AOSH ANZO is $3,600,000
and the Dundas base - $1,280,000
Thats over $140,000 a year in land taxes.... which I don't think they pay.

The figure you quoted would be from the "Valuer General" would it not?

I was told the value of the site was substantially more than that on an open market. I thought it was around $7 mill back in the '80s.

[Zhent]

Yes, those figures are from the Government, who use them to calculate land taxes. I have heard actual figures on the market can be higher then the governments estimate, but how would we find this out?
Don't suppose anyone has any info on a recent independant evauluation?

[Kookaburra]

When I was on staff in the late '80s we were told some int guy, since declared, mortgaged the building. We were having a flap making the annual interest payment at the time. I was since told that mortgage was gone, handled, kaput. Is this not true?



The figure you quoted would be from the "Valuer General" would it not?

I was told the value of the site was substantially more than that on an open market. I thought it was around $7 mill back in the '80s.

I only heard about the mortgage being taken out. I never heard that it was handled. Not to say it didn't happen. Maybe someone else here knows for sure.

Land values for the purposes of taxes are generally quite a bit lower than market value.

[Zhent]

BUMP

I think I have finally figured out this Ideal Org thing, and I now I will share some new data on the progress.

Firstly, one of the things that has caused great confusion about the status (money to go etc) of the Ideal org is that it is actually split up into Phases.

There are three principal Phases:

Phase 1 : Lots of stuff (~ $6.8 million)
Phase 2 : Actual Construction (~ $3.5 million)
Phase 3 : Fixtures, Furniture and Equipment (~ $1.5 million)
Total: Still about $11.8 million, though possibly a bit less.

When previous figures of "$X to go", or "$X needed' have been mentioned they have been quoting for a specific phase (I think).

Sydney Org finally finished fundraising for Phase 1 in May this year.

They currently have ~$2.3 million to complete Phase 2.

To sum it up, they have a total of ~$3.8 million left. Or around 30%.

The following is a graph of the fundraising status over the last year:

http://i34.tinypic.com/9kpfsx.png

I also have a graph which shows data back to 2006, but the data back then wasn't very reliable. Contrary to the trend shown in the above image, before 2010 the fundraising status was mostly flat-lining, the beginning of 2010 marking the 'relaunch' of the Sydney Ideal Org Fundraising Project.
And as you can see from the graph, they have been making steady progress this year.

However the ferociousness of this fundraising must be remarked upon.
In 2010 they have had in excess of TWENTY fundraising events. These events usually have a theme, for example; the “Harry Potter and the Conquest of the Physical Universe” event, the "Braveheart" event, the "Mat Hatter Tea Party" event, the "Men in Black event", the "Biffo Footy Night" event etc. Yes, they most definitely have a taste for 'borrowing' the intellectual property from movies.
Anyway, they have been hosting these CONSTANT events, nearly every week in fact, and at every one people are regged to 'give it all they got' because the Ideal org is really the only thing that is going to save Scientology and boom the Orgs.

Quotes:
"Our future depends on the opening of our Ideal Org, to actually Clear NSW and ANZO"

"The stats say it all – those Ideal Orgs are way above 'average' org. The production from the handful of Ideal Orgs is more than all the other Class V orgs! When I was first shown these facts a couple of years ago I really wanted to support this because I could see that, finally, our goals would be achieved. Even though the target was pretty big (who would have thought of each org raising millions of dollars each a few years ago?!) at least we now had the correct order of magnitude. "

"For example – the existing 15 Ideal Organisations deliver more than twice as much as all the other Organisations put together. "

"Ideal Orgs change and save lives on a large scale. By actual stats from other Ideal Orgs the minimal average production of an Ideal Org is 14 X to 30 X an average Org, depending on the statistic."


But how many times can one person 'give it all they got' !?! Its utter insanity what they are doing, every week being broken down to give more and more and more. How are the public surviving this?

Well it seems many aren't. From what I have found there really is less then 100 active Scientologists pushing this. Usually about 40-70 people turn up to these events now, and throughout my data collecting I only have the names of about 60 people who have upgraded their donation status this year, in comparison to 150 over the last 4 years. Why haven't those other 90 donated this year? :)

Of course my data is not complete, so don't take these stats as 100% correct. :)



Anyway, so when can we expect a Sydney Ideal Org?
I can apply regression analysis to the above data, but it wouldn't be smart to try and automatically extrapolate this kind of data. I reckon they might be able to complete the fundraising by LRH's birthday in 2011, then have an opening in Mid-Late 2011.

[xseaorguk]

you can bet they will eventually get the money together for their Mc$cientology Franchise Org that looks justs like the others on the inside.
Lots of video screens and book displays and tons of staff running around in steak house uniforms.
A special corner dedicated to his majesty LRH about his adventures and how he was just perferct at everything and suuuch a professional!
Then not to forget the foreign staff members who hardly speak fluent english, but are there just to guide you to the latest video and DVD they want you to watch. (dont ask them anything as you will NOT get 'verbal tech' from them)
Then their shiny new org will have a fabulous opening where $cnists are bussed and flown in from all over the world and a huge ribbon will be placed above the org and balloons will fly up into the sky and fireworks, music and celebrations will happen. David Miscavige will hold a speech behind high walls preventing any outside eyes and coverage.
After that has died down they will go back to the usual people who worked in the other orgs, just different rooms and different uniforms.
The org will still not be producing any 'clears' and anybody thinking of looking in to $cn will Google it first and stay away because its mainly bad news on the internet to read.
Welcome to the 'Truman Show':yes:

[scooter]

We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit and the conversation turned (naturally enough) to what’s happening with Sydney’s Idle Morgue campaign. :whistling:

I leant something that I didn’t know before about the move to Hercules St. from Castlereagh St. and it’s this: :drama:

The scilons HAD to move because Castlereagh St. was basically condemned as unsafe by the Fire Dept.. This, I’m presuming, would include CLO’s move to Dundas as well as the Cl. V org move to Hercules St.. :omg:

So I asked myself “What would Ron do?” and the answer was “Find and expose the crimes of those who attack you.” :happydance:

Amazing how easy it is to get people to talk derogatorily about the cult these days. Basically the renovations at Castlereagh St. CANNOT begin until the building is OK fire-safety wise. :dieslaughing:

So if anyone sees “renovations” happening there at all, you KNOW who to call. They drive around in big red trucks with sirens blazing and everybody loves them. They’re now also CULT-BUSTERS. They were pissed when I told them that the RPF had been seen in there late at night. :hysterical:

Have a good day now, lurking OSAspawn. :p

You commit ‘em, we expose ‘em. :D

[Miss Pert]

We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit and the conversation turned (naturally enough) to what’s happening with Sydney’s Idle Morgue campaign. :whistling:

I leant something that I didn’t know before about the move to Hercules St. from Castlereagh St. and it’s this: :drama:

The scilons HAD to move because Castlereagh St. was basically condemned as unsafe by the Fire Dept.. This, I’m presuming, would include CLO’s move to Dundas as well as the Cl. V org move to Hercules St.. :omg:

Yeah Scooter, I remember I was working on reception when CLO moved out and then the Fire Dept called and said they were coming to inspect. You should have seen everyone running around moving all the stuff that blocked the exit passages. The space behind reception where the lift is was full of everything from bicycles to boxes of promo, this space was also where the fire alarm box and, I think, electrical box were and was supposed to be kept totally clear of any obstruction. The bike and other crap were put downstairs somewhere and the boxes were moved to the public waiting area where the lounge was, good thing no one ever came in to wait in the public lounge area cos it was really messy. As soon as the inspector was gone it was all moved back to where it had been originally.

[scooter]

Well I guess they're stuck at Hercules St. for a while yet as they don't seem to have done anything to get the place up to the standard the Fire Dept. want.:bigcry:

I remember those inspections too - the Fire Dept were "SPs" for doing their jobs.:lol:

I just wonder if they've ever told their public that the building is basically condemned and is going to take a shitload of work just to get it up to where they can start to do renovations on it. :roflmao:

[Feral]

Well I guess they're stuck at Hercules St. for a while yet as they don't seem to have done anything to get the place up to the standard the Fire Dept. want.:bigcry:

I remember those inspections too - the Fire Dept were "SPs" for doing their jobs.:lol:

I just wonder if they've ever told their public that the building is basically condemned and is going to take a shitload of work just to get it up to where they can start to do renovations on it. :roflmao:


They've raised $8 mill to renovate a condemned building without disclosing the actual issue to their dupes.

IF that's not fraud I'm not sure what is!

:lol:

[I told you I was trouble]

Posted by Scooter

Snipped

We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit ...



Interesting post Scoots ...

BTW, I'm finding it really hard to keep my face straight when reading that you had "Stably Exterior and Sir Facer" up at your place ... great names for Ex scio's.

:lol:

[Panda Termint]

Excerpt from the latest Sydney Ideal Org News, Nov 18th, 2010:


"An update….
So where are we at?


We have raised over $8 million!
We have a building that is all gutted and ready to go!
We have contracts and paper work all done, ready for the final signature!
We have builders ready to start!
We need a mere $665,000 into the bank account and then we start!

Now - THIS is incredibly exciting! If we all pull together, get those pledges in by some real Tone 40 intention and group effort, if we get people to their next status, if everyone was to get a ticket or a few as a bonus for making it go right… We start!
It has been 7 years in the making and we are literally hours away! So, come on Sydney – let’s take it over the line!
Did you know that for every $ 1000 donation, whether previously pledged or not, you get a ticket in the new car competition? Call Paz for the details and get your tickets before they run out."

[Outethicsofficer]

Well let's see if this eventuates...and all for a mere $660,000 or so. Thanks Panda.
James

They may have raised $8 million...but how much of that has been spent!

[Kookaburra]

I notice they are still not saying a word about their Ideal Morgue being condemned. :whistling:

[BC1]

So where are we at?

[LIST]
We have raised over $8 million!
We have a building that is all gutted and ready to go!
We have contracts and paper work all done, ready for the final signature!
We have builders ready to start!

So does this mean that they did demo work while the building was condemned? Or was it done prior to the Fire Safety issue?

The fire department might be interested to know that they were doing demo work in a condemned building if that is what happened. And what better proof than with a document they sent out themselves.

[Jachs]

On the 23rd,John f Kennedy told an audience, this time at Chicago,

"Twenty-five hundred years ago the Greek poet Alcaeus laid down the

principle which best sums up the greatness of Chicago: 'Not houses

firmly roofed,' he wrote, 'or the stones of walls well builded, nay, nor

canals and dockyards, make the city -- but men able to use their

opportunities.'"

[thefatman]

As of Tuesday, nothing new has been done on the Org. It's looking more and more abandoned everyday and is rapidly turning into the fastest growing moneysink Idle Org in the country.

[athena8]

As of Tuesday, nothing new has been done on the Org. It's looking more and more abandoned everyday and is rapidly turning into the fastest growing moneysink Idle Org in the country.

They've probably been told by uplines "$665,000? Where did you get that sum? You need to raise 4 million more." :melodramatic: This is the repetitive pattern.

[thefatman]

Did a walk past this afternoon (Sunday the 9th of Jan) and once again no activity to speak of. This is making me happier and happier, the building is looking more and more dusty and abandoned.

Only 232 days left Cyrus... This is looking more and more impossible. You're not going to finish the Idle Org, just give up and piss off back to Boston, maybe Scientology in Australia might benefit from you leaving - but we don't want that, so stay for as long as you can :).

Not having any building experience, but 232 days to do the sheer amount of things they wish to do is going to be near impossible without working 24/7 on the damn thing.

Also, if their lease was due to expire on the 31st of July, 2010, I recall them having the option to extend this by another 12 months, which would have them there till the 31st of July, 2011. Now, that's one month without an Org, which the cult can't have, so reduce their timeline down to 201 days (with the month of August taken out). Time is rapidly running out. Note, the 31st of August date comes from the expiry date on their DA for 201 Castlereagh St., which means they will have to reapply. Unfortunately, I don't know all the details regarding this but I will check with Sydney Council asap to figure out what happens when a DA lapses. Hopefully they'll have to reapply and we can go back and potentially get it rejected.

[scooter]

Did a walk past this afternoon (Sunday the 9th of Jan) and once again no activity to speak of. This is making me happier and happier, the building is looking more and more dusty and abandoned.

Only 232 days left Cyrus... This is looking more and more impossible. You're not going to finish the Idle Org, just give up and piss off back to Boston, maybe Scientology in Australia might benefit from you leaving - but we don't want that, so stay for as long as you can :).

Not having any building experience, but 232 days to do the sheer amount of things they wish to do is going to be near impossible without working 24/7 on the damn thing.

Also, if their lease was due to expire on the 31st of July, 2010, I recall them having the option to extend this by another 12 months, which would have them there till the 31st of July, 2011. Now, that's one month without an Org, which the cult can't have, so reduce their timeline down to 201 days (with the month of August taken out). Time is rapidly running out. Note, the 31st of August date comes from the expiry date on their DA for 201 Castlereagh St., which means they will have to reapply. Unfortunately, I don't know all the details regarding this but I will check with Sydney Council asap to figure out what happens when a DA lapses. Hopefully they'll have to reapply and we can go back and potentially get it rejected.

thanx mate - keep us all posted on what you come up with. :thumbsup:

[thefatman]

Quick walk past at about 9:45am this morning presented no real change to my last update. The biggest change I could see is that a piece of wood (looks like chipboard) has been screwed over the left door at the main entrance, presumably because the window was partially smashed for a number of months.

This leaves a grand total of 193 days left until the expiration of their D.A.

I'm getting excited.

[Outethicsofficer]

Thanks for your update, hmm it's wait and see..
James

[scooter]

Thanks fatman - looking promising for the cult to stay closed at Castlereagh :thumbsup:

[Free to shine]

And they must be very pissed off that Melbourne beat them to an Idle Org status and they had to fly down here to swoon at the feet of DM. :D

[Panda Termint]

They'll be even more pissed when they find out what really happened to all those dollars they donated to the Sydney Ideal Org Fund. :angry:

[Happy Days]

Next move would be to have all Aussie orgs amalgamated into Melbourne Ideal Org so that it's not so idle and conserving resources ... the possibilities... the possibilities mmmmmmmmmm ... :melodramatic:

[Mick Wenlock]

what is a D.A. ? I am assuming its not a Dead Agent, nor a District Attorney? I am guessing from the context that it is something akin to a building permit? And that their permit is set to expire in 190 or so days?

[Panda Termint]

Correct, Mick. Development Application. Council approval for changes to the existing building.

[Zhent]

This leaves a grand total of 193 days left until the expiration of their D.A.



Might want to look into whether that expiration counts if they actually START the upgrade before the DA expires. I have a suspicion that when the 193 days are up they will present some small piece of evidence to show 'the upgrade has started/is ongoing' and this will prevent their DA approval from being pulled.

Regardless of that, we can look forward to their lease of the 4 Hercules st org expiring in August I think (surely they haven't managed to squeeze ANOTHER lease out of the place!).


Speaking of the 201 DA, a new amendment was approved recently:

Section 96 modification for replacement of rotting window frames on south facade, reduced addition/retention of southwest bathroom wall, amendment to glass balustrade on existing stair.

[Opter]

Next move would be to have all Aussie orgs amalgamated into Melbourne Ideal Org so that it's not so idle and conserving resources ... the possibilities... the possibilities mmmmmmmmmm ... :melodramatic:



Brilliant idea.:omg:

Pure commonsense.:yes:


Opter

[thefatman]

Might want to look into whether that expiration counts if they actually START the upgrade before the DA expires. I have a suspicion that when the 193 days are up they will present some small piece of evidence to show 'the upgrade has started/is ongoing' and this will prevent their DA approval from being pulled.

Regardless of that, we can look forward to their lease of the 4 Hercules st org expiring in August I think (surely they haven't managed to squeeze ANOTHER lease out of the place!).

This is true. I'm not 100% sure on the details but I'll check soon with the council regarding this. It could even be different for each DA.

I doubt after being given 2 years and having such a small amount of improvement will let it get through as it's possible the residents may complain about this getting dragged on for such an extended time (after all they did claim they wanted all Orgs 'ideal' by 2010 - something miles off occurring).

As for Hercules, it's possible they have extended the lease, the building was sold to people who wished to develop, but at a few 100K a year (I think it was around 400K ?? We had dox of this at one point), they may just hold it off till the market gets better and maintain a paying customer. That is, assuming they're paying their rent. But the original I recall reading (on the realtor's site) was that it was a max 12 months with a possible additional 6 on top. That would be around now, but I'm yet to see any signs of them moving out. So I'll assume they've extended the lease.

[thefatman]

Just got an updated today. Not good news. Turns out since their application was valid as at April 2010, the DA was extended by default (as were all other ones) for an additional three years (for a total of 5). Therefore the final date they have to COMMENCE building work is August 27th, 2014.

While this is a major setback, there are a number of things within the DA that they must conform to before a Construction Certificate will be granted. One of which is that they must not have speakers that are on council land, pointed towards council land or can be heard from council land (the same goes for spruikers). This means if they do somehow manage to open the building, it will be illegal for them to set up speakers to attempt to drown us out at that specific Org. Furthermore, they must remove all grafitti within 48 hours of its application, while minor, we could easily trip them up on it.

As for the building being condemned by the fire department, this isn't entirely true. What happened was that the Fire Safety Certificate was revoked as the council deemed the building to be unsafe from a Fire Safety perspective. So that they could not commence building work until this Certificate is gained.

Furthermore, NO CONSTRUCTION can take place until they have a proper Construction Certificate, this could potentially include stripping the building for wiring, so if we have any information that could confirm that they have done building work to the building (which I'm fairly sure they have) we'll need to compile this information and hand it over to the council so that we can ensure that the cult follows every single piece of damn law and regulation they are required to follow.

[oneonewasaracecar]

You don't need to start building until 2014.

That might look good on a sign. Or as a chant. Thanks for the news Fatman.

[Panda Termint]

LOL. By 2014 they'll be an endangered species.

[Kookaburra]

LOL. By 2014 they'll be an endangered species.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[oneonewasaracecar]

Many of you have seen the curious and misunderstood behaviour of Mark Allender, Jesse Prince and others. The strange and inexplicable behaviour of the Scientologist adds to the diversity of the tree of life.

But there is a problem. Scientology has a breeding problem. The number of breeding pairs has decreased dramatically, and the habitat of the Scientology has been reduced by closing orgs.

But this is not the problem. The alpha male of Scientology, an alcoholic dwarf, has mandated forced abortions for staff. He is preventing them from breeding, necessitating a predatory strategy for recruiting staff to replenish their stocks as staff continue to escape captivity.

But preying on their parishoners is not a sustainable evolutionary strategy. If they take the parishoner's children who will give birth to the next generation of Scientologists?

To adapt, Scientology has a short term solution, to take children from poor countries and offer them a place in a wealthier nation. This has allowed Scientology to continue to maintain it's staff numbers. But as activists start to target these areas and to educate them, it appears that this strategy may fail.

[Jachs]

Many of you have seen the curious and misunderstood behaviour of Mark Allender, Jesse Prince and others. The strange and inexplicable behaviour of the Scientologist adds to the diversity of the tree of life.

But there is a problem. Scientology has a breeding problem. The number of breeding pairs has decreased dramatically, and the habitat of the Scientology has been reduced by closing orgs.

But this is not the problem. The alpha male of Scientology, an alcoholic dwarf, has mandated forced abortions for staff. He is preventing them from breeding, necessitating a predatory strategy for recruiting staff to replenish their stocks as staff continue to escape captivity.

But preying on their parishoners is not a sustainable evolutionary strategy. If they take the parishoner's children who will give birth to the next generation of Scientologists?

To adapt, Scientology has a short term solution, to take children from poor countries and offer them a place in a wealthier nation. This has allowed Scientology to continue to maintain it's staff numbers. But as activists start to target these areas and to educate them, it appears that this strategy may fail.

Yes its the flip, the tipping point, extreme emergency decisions , no reason logic, not even rational, even dare i say it off policy..

[Feral]

Many of you have seen the curious and misunderstood behaviour of Mark Allender, Jesse Prince and others. The strange and inexplicable behaviour of the Scientologist adds to the diversity of the tree of life.

But there is a problem. Scientology has a breeding problem. The number of breeding pairs has decreased dramatically, and the habitat of the Scientology has been reduced by closing orgs.

But this is not the problem. The alpha male of Scientology, an alcoholic dwarf, has mandated forced abortions for staff. He is preventing them from breeding, necessitating a predatory strategy for recruiting staff to replenish their stocks as staff continue to escape captivity.

But preying on their parishoners is not a sustainable evolutionary strategy. If they take the parishoner's children who will give birth to the next generation of Scientologists?

To adapt, Scientology has a short term solution, to take children from poor countries and offer them a place in a wealthier nation. This has allowed Scientology to continue to maintain it's staff numbers. But as activists start to target these areas and to educate them, it appears that this strategy may fail.

So due to the efforts of Anonymous to inoculate the population of earth for Scientology PR we could predict a dramatically reduced gene pool in time and the remaining progeny to be sired by an asthmatic midget, sounds like a recipe for extinction!!

Bwahaha!

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

just as a point of interest, here's what happens when a religious group starts prohibiting child birth in it's ranks:

Although there were six thousand believers at the peak of the Shaker movement, there were only twelve Shaker communities left by 1920.[47] In the United States there is one remaining active Shaker community, at Sabbathday Lake, Maine, which as of January 2011 has only three members: Sister June Carpenter, Brother Arnold Hadd, and Sister Frances Carr.[6][48][49]

Interesting article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers

While we'd all prefer a quick death (and perp walk) soon, it may end up as a fade-away, as above.

[Happy Days]

How many can I put ya down for? :D

Not really my kinda of fashion, bit tacky really but I let you be the judge :)

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l507/lizanderson1/image001.jpg

[scooter]

:puke:

[jenni with an eye]

How many can I put ya down for? :D

Not really my kinda of fashion, bit tacky really but I let you be the judge :)

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l507/lizanderson1/image001.jpg

Bloody expensive polo shirt. :ohmy:

Doesn't seem fair exchange if you ask me :D

[Zhent]

How many can I put ya down for? :D

Not really my kinda of fashion, bit tacky really but I let you be the judge :)

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l507/lizanderson1/image001.jpg


Oh dear me... :duh:


Whilst the thread is being bumped, does anyone have any info where they are up to fundraising wise?
Not that I suppose it will make a difference at this point, as they haven't started construction yet but are apparently due to be kicked out of the leased org in July...

[Dulloldfart]

Bloody expensive polo shirt. :ohmy:

Doesn't seem fair exchange if you ask me :D

Depends on your datum of comparable magnitude. Before a donor got $0 for a $500 donation; now they get a $10 shirt. That's a ratio of 10:0 = infinite expansion!

Paul

[Jump]

The only infinite expansion is Davey's nose

[haiqu]

The only infinite expansion is Davey's nose

Now THAT would look good on a polo shirt ... but I think you have an MU on the word "finocchio (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finocchio)".

[Jump]

The only infinite expansion is Davey's nose


Now THAT would look good on a polo shirt ... but I think you have an MU on the word "finocchio (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finocchio)".

bwaahaaha .. haiqu thats priceless :roflmao:

[scooter]

Now THAT would look good on a polo shirt ... but I think you have an MU on the word "finocchio (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=finocchio)".

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[thefatman]

Reports that at precisely midnight on a Saturday night (26th) a white van dropped two people off into the Org. I believe it was one male and one female.

How odd, they aren't supposed to be using that building at all. No pictures unfortunately.

[Zhent]

Reports that at precisely midnight on a Saturday night (26th) a white van dropped two people off into the Org. I believe it was one male and one female.

How odd, they aren't supposed to be using that building at all. No pictures unfortunately.

Most intriguing, yes most intriguing indeed. *strokes beard*

[Panda Termint]

Nightwatch?

[degraded being]

Depends on your datum of comparable magnitude. Before a donor got $0 for a $500 donation; now they get a $10 shirt. That's a ratio of 10:0 = infinite expansion!

Paul

Correction. They are having an Ethics action applied. For giving only
$500 they have a horrible shirt to remind others of their low condition.

[AngeloV]

I wonder if they would let me change the logo to the text:

"I just donated $500 to the ideal org fund and all I got was this F**king t-shirt!"

[Happy Days]

I wonder how it's working for them....

The Public Division would be buzzing with effective action and new people :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: and :goodluck: with that .... :D

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l507/lizanderson1/image002.jpg

[xseaorguk]

what do you get?



another identical looking "idea orgue", made is Dave Boy's factory of little helpers, just like the ones who help Santa Claus at the north pole

I can just see all the little people running around there putting the stuff together.
Would be a funny a cartoon or charicature for somebody to draw, me thinks...

[Purple Rain]

So what is happening with Castlereagh St now?

[Kookaburra]

Wow! Long time no see, Purple Rain! Good to hear from you.

I think Castlereagh is still sitting empty. They have a real dilemma with their fire permit and I think they have it shoved solidly in the too hard basket and are just hoping their public don't ask about the 11 million dollars they coughed up for the renovations. :confused2:

[Purple Rain]

Thanks, Kookaburra. I've been having a pretty intense personal journey. I'm just poking my head back out in the real world a little now, catching up with some old friends from school, that sort of thing. Life has been interesting. Glad to hear the Castlereagh thing is still a disaster. I saw what you guys did with Dundas St, and I was so impressed. I'm really proud of you all. Anyway, take care. I do hope to catch up with you one day.

Best,
Purple

[Doom]

Wow! Long time no see, Purple Rain! Good to hear from you.

I think Castlereagh is still sitting empty. They have a real dilemma with their fire permit and I think they have it shoved solidly in the too hard basket and are just hoping their public don't ask about the 11 million dollars they coughed up for the renovations. :confused2:

Went by there last week it's still empty and nothing has changed with the signs on the front door.
The stairway to nowhere is still going there.:D

[Purple Rain]

Cool! Thanks, Doom.

[Sir Facer]

Hey Purple Rain,
I was just sitting at the busstop in front of the Sydney Org & its still boarded up with the same poster explaining renovations comming soon, God I would be pissed if i'd given 100's of thousands in donos to see they have done F-All & continue to do nothing, so who knows when they will get their act together........& who cares!

[oneonewasaracecar]

Indications from behind the scenes are that the ideal org is not being built yet and there are no immediate plans to start. They are short of money to get it built. There revenue raising during the economic crisis has been seriously slowed down. I wouldn't be surprised if nothing happens at all this year.

They will have to move out of Hercules St soon and I suspect they will just keep ANZO.

Also, my guess is they will move the major RPF site out of NSW soon.

[Mystic]

Thanks for the good news re. Sydney, which is: Scientology = Zero

[Zhent]

Since the thread was bumped...

I don't have much skill in construction management, but it looks highly unlikely the Ideal Org could be done this year. I think I saw a new Ideal Org opening schedule that said Sydney was now slated for beginning 2012, can't remember where I saw that though.

As far as I am aware they have not finished Phase II fundraising which is required to start construction (An additional $1.5 Mil is required AFTER that), though my data is rather out of date. If anyone has any info on the fundraising status please post! By PM is fine if you have security concerns...


Also stay tuned this week for a special Sydney Org leak! (will be posted in the leaks forum, hopefully on Thursday :coolwink: )

[Jump]

Also stay tuned this week for a special Sydney Org leak! (will be posted in the leaks forum, hopefully on Thursday :coolwink: )

Staying tuned :drama:

[degraded being]

Since the thread was bumped...

I don't have much skill in construction management, but it looks highly unlikely the Ideal Org could be done this year. I think I saw a new Ideal Org opening schedule that said Sydney was now slated for beginning 2012, can't remember where I saw that though.

As far as I am aware they have not finished Phase II fundraising which is required to start construction (An additional $1.5 Mil is required AFTER that), though my data is rather out of date. If anyone has any info on the fundraising status please post! By PM is fine if you have security concerns...


Also stay tuned this week for a special Sydney Org leak! (will be posted in the leaks forum, hopefully on Thursday :coolwink: )


Before 2pm?:D

[Kookaburra]

Since the thread was bumped...

I don't have much skill in construction management, but it looks highly unlikely the Ideal Org could be done this year. I think I saw a new Ideal Org opening schedule that said Sydney was now slated for beginning 2012, can't remember where I saw that though.

As far as I am aware they have not finished Phase II fundraising which is required to start construction (An additional $1.5 Mil is required AFTER that), though my data is rather out of date. If anyone has any info on the fundraising status please post! By PM is fine if you have security concerns...


Also stay tuned this week for a special Sydney Org leak! (will be posted in the leaks forum, hopefully on Thursday :coolwink: )

They announced in March 2010 that they had reached the target (with a big dono from one of their public) to start renovations and would be starting within the week. Yes, folks, I said 2010. It's not a typo.


Before 2pm?:D

:lol: Meaningless to Zhent. He's not an ex, he's Anon, so has never lived the Thursday at 2 psychosis.

But I will say this.

Zhent, if you can get this posted before 2 pm, it will crash OSA's stats at a crucial time and they will be in trouble and have no time to handle it before it is reported. Maximum impact. :timebomb:
:D

[Purple Rain]

Oooh, this is getting exciting!!! I love surprises! :happydance:

I like to check every so often that they haven't gone all flourishing and prospering on me while my back has been turned. It's good to hear that things are downstat as ever. It warms the cockles of my suppressive little heart, whatever cockles are.

Exciting about running the RPF out of town, too! It's so un-Australian for one thing. I definitely consider myself anti-gulag. Hopefully the new detention centre will not be able to be spirited away altogether, though. It would be unfortunate if the inmates were shut away from all help and hope.

Anyway, can't wait to hear the news!

[Purple Rain]

Hey Purple Rain,
I was just sitting at the busstop in front of the Sydney Org & its still boarded up with the same poster explaining renovations comming soon, God I would be pissed if i'd given 100's of thousands in donos to see they have done F-All & continue to do nothing, so who knows when they will get their act together........& who cares!

Hey again, Sir Facer! What do you reckon? Do you think they have a misunderstood on "soon"? Hehehehehehe! Oh, I kill me .... boom boom!

[thefatman]

Still nothing going on as of Sunday.

[Kookaburra]

Still nothing going on as of Sunday.

I'll put my money on "still boarded up with the same sign on Sunday, this time next year".

Actually, I think they will just sell the building as they can't move back in. Stupid Scilons blew it. :laugh:

[Dulloldfart]

Actually, I think they will just sell the building as they can't move back in. Stupid Scilons blew it. :laugh:

They should just run the whole thing from a website. Much cheaper overhead.

Now, if they want some advice on how to do that . . . .

Paul

[Jump]

I'll put my money on "still boarded up with the same sign on Sunday, this time next year".

Actually, I think they will just sell the building as they can't move back in. Stupid Scilons blew it. :laugh:

Will be interesting if all the $$$ ends up going to Hemet. Who's name is on the title deeds??

[Jachs]

They should just run the whole thing from a website. Much cheaper overhead.

Now, if they want some advice on how to do that . . . .

Paul

Paul your methods are far too honest to be approved by CoS.

But secretly ive heard whispers DM wears brass sandles connected to the discharge rods and hes covertly doing Rub and Yawn already.:D

[Purple Rain]

It's actually quite a nice, old building. I hope they do sell it and it gets looked after properly. I wonder what its pre-Scientology history was.

[Miss Pert]

Here's a couple of text messages I received recently on fundraising for the Idle org.

"Hi Sydney Team, we have a new game where you can become a Spartan - one of 300. As soon as you donate $10,000.00 to the Sydney Ideal Org (all donations at this stage are tax deductable). (notice they say "at this stage" in regards to tax deduction) There will be a special recognition plaque awarded to acknowledge the great warriors that took us over the line. So become one that will be acknowledged at this Saturdays Fundraising Spartan event. Or you can flow towards becoming one this week! ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11

and then this

"Hi Syd team, to keep the team in the loop, we have $1,685,100.00 left to start the Syd renos. START! Sydney won't only be responsible for clearing Sydney but also more than 3 billion people of Asia. So your donations will influence the freedom of half the planet's population. So let's give them the best chance they could have of duplicating LRH's legacy of the tech by moving to your next status. LRH ED 102 Int. 'One could look at this ideal org and know that this was the place a new civilisation was being established for this planet.' ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11

Gee, it would be really great to have some smilies right now, though I can't decided whether it would ROFLMAO or the little smilie that throws up. Oh I just found the smilies, decisions decisions.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :puke: :puke: :puke: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Jump]

3 billion eh . . . how many clears last year was it? 3 ?

Oh well, thats a start i guess :hysterical:

[AngeloV]

Here's a couple of text messages I received recently on fundraising for the Idle org.

[snip]

and then this

"Hi Syd team, to keep the team in the loop, we have $1,685,100.00 left to start the Syd renos. START!

[snip]

Gee, it would be really great to have some smilies right now, though I can't decided whether it would ROFLMAO or the little smilie that throws up. Oh I just found the smilies, decisions decisions.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :puke: :puke: :puke: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:


LOL! Only $1.6 million to go. And they are asking for donations that get nothing in return. Just 'recognition' that they are members of 'the 300'. :duh:

[Thrak]

Here's a couple of text messages I received recently on fundraising for the Idle org.

"Hi Sydney Team, we have a new game where you can become a Spartan - one of 300. As soon as you donate $10,000.00 to the Sydney Ideal Org (all donations at this stage are tax deductable). (notice they say "at this stage" in regards to tax deduction) There will be a special recognition plaque awarded to acknowledge the great warriors that took us over the line. So become one that will be acknowledged at this Saturdays Fundraising Spartan event. Or you can flow towards becoming one this week! ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11

and then this

"Hi Syd team, to keep the team in the loop, we have $1,685,100.00 left to start the Syd renos. START! Sydney won't only be responsible for clearing Sydney but also more than 3 billion people of Asia. So your donations will influence the freedom of half the planet's population. So let's give them the best chance they could have of duplicating LRH's legacy of the tech by moving to your next status. LRH ED 102 Int. 'One could look at this ideal org and know that this was the place a new civilisation was being established for this planet.' ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11

Gee, it would be really great to have some smilies right now, though I can't decided whether it would ROFLMAO or the little smilie that throws up. Oh I just found the smilies, decisions decisions.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical: :puke: :puke: :puke: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

That's great! They should say "Whoever donates $10,000 will get a really great bed of nails"

This truly is the "church" of pain.

[scooter]

Will be interesting if all the $$$ ends up going to Hemet. Who's name is on the title deeds??

CSI owns the building AFAIK - which effectively makes it Slappy McSavage's

[Zhent]

Here's a couple of text messages I received recently on fundraising for the Idle org.

"Hi Sydney Team, we have a new game where you can become a Spartan - one of 300. As soon as you donate $10,000.00 to the Sydney Ideal Org (all donations at this stage are tax deductable). (notice they say "at this stage" in regards to tax deduction) There will be a special recognition plaque awarded to acknowledge the great warriors that took us over the line. So become one that will be acknowledged at this Saturdays Fundraising Spartan event. Or you can flow towards becoming one this week! ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11



LOL. Getting desperate much for fundrasing ideas? Honestly they must of stolen intellectual property from every major Hollywood studio by now, and yes I have been keeping notes! Of course, management is too uncreative to come up with original fundraising ideas so they just steal others IP.




"Hi Syd team, to keep the team in the loop, we have $1,685,100.00 left to start the Syd renos. START! Sydney won't only be responsible for clearing Sydney but also more than 3 billion people of Asia. So your donations will influence the freedom of half the planet's population. So let's give them the best chance they could have of duplicating LRH's legacy of the tech by moving to your next status. LRH ED 102 Int. 'One could look at this ideal org and know that this was the place a new civilisation was being established for this planet.' ML Jack Pinto" 6/5/11

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUCK

This is huge. The scope of this epic failure can only be expressed with an image. You may remember some time ago I posted a graph of Sydney Org money raised over time using data from a variety of sources (page 8), well here is a new one with the new data point from above.
http://i54.tinypic.com/24zym9f.png

THATS RIGHT IN 6 MONTHS THEY HAVE GONE BACKWARDS $1 MILLION

I will further back this up with a quote, from November 18th, 2010


We have raised over $8 million! We have a building that is all gutted and ready to go! We have contracts and paper work all done, ready for the final signature! We have builders ready to start! We need a mere $665,000 into the bank account and then we start!
It has been 7 years in the making and we are literally hours away! So, come on Sydney – let’s take it over the line!
May 6th, 2011


we have $1,685,100.00 left to start the Syd renos.


Epic Fail. If I see Jack pinto at a protest I will be sure to point out this irregularity to him.


BTW: That red line on the graph is the theoretical ejection date from their current org. The Ideal org is suppose to be COMPLETE before then ;)

[sarahinzurich]

It's good news that they are failing at the their fundraising, but I'm still amazed at the amounts of money they did get. Who are the poor soulds that gave this Org 8 million in donations? It's a giant sum of money.

[Zhent]

It's actually quite a nice, old building. I hope they do sell it and it gets looked after properly. I wonder what its pre-Scientology history was.

From the Conservation Management Plan & Statement of Heritage Impact for Scientology House, by Graham Brooks & Associates.

I can post the PDF with all the images if you want to have a proper read. It contains some nice old pictures there, and some new ones from inside the org! :coolwink:

Historical Summary

2.1 Initial Construction as Warehouse, 1908
Based on the research material contained in the 2007 Conservation
Management Plan (CMP), and material provided by the Church
of Scientology and the City of Sydney Archives, the history of the
current building can be summarised as follows:
The subject building was erected in 1908 as a four storey warehouse
and boot factory for Joseph Vickery & Co. It replaced an earlier
two storey building with workshops behind which were occupied
by Fitzgerald and Colin, Coach Builders. The subject building
was erected in the Federation Free Classical style and comprised
external masonry walls and a heavy timber internal frame with
wooden fl oors. The facade (Figure 2.2) was notable for the pattern of
two large brick pilasters and horizontal spandrel panels with timber
framed windows on the upper fl oors. The glazing and masonry
spandrel panels were replaced with full height metal framed glazing
during a later renovation phase.

2.2 Conversion to Parking Garage, 1935
In 1935 the building was converted into a multi-level parking garage
and service station. The original internal stairs were replaced and a
series of vehicle ramps inserted to permit cars to access the upper
fl oors. The upper level ramps were accessed throughout the main
facade in the northernmost bay.

2.3 Major Refurbishment, 1946
In 1945, the building was purchased by the Church of England
National Emergency Fund (C.E.N.E.F.).1 The C.E.N.E.F., founded
in 1939, assisted chaplains in administering to the spiritual needs of
servicemen and catered for the needs of servicemen and women in
Sydney. They purchased the premises with ‘a view to establishing
a permanent reminder of the work of C.E.N.E.F’. They believed that
‘henceforth this building will stand as a tribute to the patient and
tireless service of thousands of voluntary workers.’ 2
In 1946 the interior of the building was substantially remodelled to
the design of architect R. Lindsay Little.3 The internal timber structure
was entirely removed and replaced with a new concrete frame.
At the same time the former Federation warehouse style facade
was modifi ed by replacing the old timber windows with new metal
framed glazing, and modifi ying the spandrel panels to create a new
Inter War Chicagoesque architectural presentation to Castlereagh
Street. A new, well detailed, decorative concrete stair was installed
in the northeast corner to connect the street level entry with the
main ground fl oor accommodation. As this staircase rose through
the building its architectural detailing became simplified.

The new basement was fi tted out for storage and preparation areas;
and the ground fl oor was converted into a large dinning venue. An
awning was placed over the north east entry facing Castlereagh
Street, marking it as the formal entry to the building. The main area
of the ground fl oor was fi tted out as a large dining room. The fl oor
also contained a small private dining room, sizeable kitchen and
store, separated by a central snack bar. The display room from the
former garage was converted into a lounge room, and partitions
were added creating two offi ce spaces and a chaplain’s room at the
front of the building.
The fi rst fl oor was converted into an open congregational hall, which
was fi tted out to accommodate 300 seats arranged with a central
aisle to face a raised platform/stage.

The second fl oor was fi tted out for casual accommodation. A large
lounge room was located at the east end of the building and a
bathroom and cleaner’s store at the west. The remainder of the fl oor
was partitioned to house 40 single bedrooms and a slightly larger
caretaker’s bed and lounge adjacent to the eastern stair well.
The third fl oor was largely dedicated to offi ce space, partitioned into
10 offi ces with an additional boardroom. Each offi ce opened into
a central aisle and had connecting doors to the adjacent rooms. A
library and quiet room were located at the east end of the building.
Youth rooms were added as an extra storey above the third fl oor
behind the roof parapet. These were accessed via the two stairwells
and opened out onto the large fl at roof.

2.4 Conversion to Office Space, 1961
The Public Service Association of NSW (P.S.A.) purchased the
building in 1961 and was open for business on 5th June. The new
P.S.A. offi ces were located on the third fl oor, while the second fl oor
was made available for rental purposes and the fi rst fl oor contained
an auditorium that seated 550 people. In 1962 the ground fl oor was
altered for the P.S.A. social club use.4

Between 1961 and 1980 various internal modifi cations and alterations
took place. The partitions on the second fl oor of the former C.E.N.E.F.
bedrooms were removed and new partitions added for general and
individual offi ce spaces. A kitchen, changing room and area for fi ling
cabinets were also added in the west end of the building and a small
lavatory constructed directly above the new lavatories on the fi rst
fl oor below. The third fl oor largely remained as existing. The former
C.E.N.E.F. offi ce was converted into a reception area. and the former
library into a conference room. New toilets and a new offi ce were
also added into the former library area. The former C.E.N.E.F. youth
rooms on the fourth fl oor were re-fi tted into a Ladies bathroom and two
meeting rooms.

2.5 Church of Scientology, 1979
2.5.1 The Church of Scientology: Background
The Church of Scientology was founded by L Ron Hubbard (1911-
1986), who began his studies into the mind and spirit in 1923. After
intensive study over the course of his early life, his personal journey
led to the formation of the self-improvement technique Dianetics.
Publicised from late 1949, this initially found little favour with the
medical or publishing fraternities. His fi rst article on the subject was
soon followed by the book, entitled Dianetics: The Modern Science
of Mental Health; this was published in May 1950 by Hermitage
House, whose head was also on the Board of Directors of the
Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation. With Dianetics, Hubbard
introduced the concept of “auditing,” a two-person question-andanswer
therapy that focused on painful memories. According to
Hubbard, this process could eliminate emotional problems, cure
physical illnesses, and increase intelligence. Within a short space
of time, groups were formed to deliver Dianetics and Scientology
Auditing (counselling) around the world.5

By mid-1952, Hubbard had expanded Dianetics into an “applied
religious philosophy” which he called Scientology. In December
1953, Hubbard declared Scientology a religion and the fi rst Church
of Scientology was founded in Los Angeles in 1954. After the initial
establishment of the Church, Hubbard relocated to England and
spent the remainder of the 1950s in promotion of Scientology from
his London offi ce. In 1959, he bought Saint Hill Manor near the
Sussex town of East Grinstead, a Georgian manor house owned
by the Maharajah of Jaipur. This became the world headquarters of
Scientology. Activities conducted from each Church of Scientology
base included human rights campaigns, anti-drugs projects, natural
disaster response units, and other social betterment campaigns.
As early as 1955 a prominent group of Scientologists based in
Sydney opened course rooms and began delivering Auditing to
the general public from one of their offi ces on Bathurst Street.6
The group expanded rapidly and formed the fi rst Org[anisation] in
Sydney.7 Its success was such that the Church was granted tax
exemption in most states of Australia from 1970, and recognised as
a religious denomination under S.26 of the Marriage Act 1961 from
early February 1973. With pressing need for a larger headquarters,
the Org relocated from their fi rst premises in Bathurst Street to
Elizabeth Street, and subsequently to Pitt Street, Wentworth Avenue
and, from 1973-1979, Lee Street.

2.5.2 Acqusition of Scientology House, Castlereagh Street
By 1979, the Org had outgrown its early Sydney offi ces. Hubbard
instructed the group to identify a suitable building in the central
business district that would accommodate the rapid expansion of
the Sydney Church. After considering a number of options, Ron
Hubbard selected 201 Castlereagh Street as the new headquarters
of the Church for ANZO (Australia, New Zealand and Asia Pacifi c).
This base was to respond to the needs of parishioners from NSW
and external areas including China, Taiwan, Indonesia, India,
Vietnam and all of the Asia Pacifi c regions, dealing specifi cally
with the continuation and completion of counselling services. 201
Castlereagh Street also complied with the Scientology philosophy
of aquiring heritage buildings in the heart of each major city,
representing the city and its people.
In August 1979 the Church of Scientology purchased the building at
201 Castlereagh Street, renaming it Scientology House.8 Mr Hubbard
obtained the funds to purchase the building with contributions
by prominent scientologists in Sydney. Scientology House, 201
Castlereagh Street, effectively became the “Central Org” for ANZO,
servicing the whole of Australia and the Asia Pacifi c.
Once operational, 201 Castlereagh Street was internally modifi ed to
suit the needs of the Church. The Church’s external services, such
as volunteer ministers, anti-drug groups, illiteracy fi ghting groups
and other branches were relocated elsewhere in the city, on the
grounds that their role was to work among the community, which
did not require them to be based in the central business district. The
Central Org became the headquarters for religious services for both
parishioners and the public.

2.5.3 Changes to the Building
The Church of Scientology have made a number of alterations to the
building over the past 25 years.9 The ground fl oor layout remained
largely as existing. Two large meeting rooms were converted into an
introduction service room and basic course room. The ground fl oor
lavatory was converted into a sauna and purifying area. At the rear,
the chair store and attached lobby were opened into an executive
offi ce. The front rooms were converted into a lounge room and
offi ce. The reception area was relocated into the entrance hall that
had previously been altered for the PSA social club use.
The fi rst fl oor was converted into a teaching and recreational
area. The two large meeting rooms became interlinked Academy,
Practical and Theory rooms. The stage was removed, whilst offi ce
spaces were opened up into a large lounge room and parishioners’
resource centre with a tours offi ce in the north-east corner. A fi lm
room, second Academy Theory room and a course administration
room was located along the north wall.

The offi ces on the second fl oor were removed. Nineteen individual
auditing (religious counselling) rooms were built along the south
wall with an Auditors Administration room to the east. An internship,
waiting and fundraising space were located to the east end of the
fl oor. A large library and associated storage was constructed along
the north wall. To the rear (west end) of the fl oor kitchen, fi le storage
and offi ce areas were installed.
The third fl oor was partitioned into separate administration and
offi ce rooms, data and storage areas. The former PSA conference
room was converted into a mess hall/staff meeting room. On the
fourth fl oor, the former meeting rooms were converted into offi ces.
The most recent (2007) DA submission applying for expansion of the
premises was withdrawn on advice from the previous project management
company following the receipt of a letter from the City of Sydney Council
stating their concerns with the proposed development. The previous DA
proposed the extension of the fourth fl oor, addition of three storeys and
roof plant room, to accommodate the continued growth of the Church and
its activities.The withdrawal of the development application left the Church
of Scientology with few options other than the selling of the building
and relocation. This, however, was roundly rejected by the Scientology
community, given the strong identifi cation of 201 Castlereagh Street with
the Church’s presence in Sydney.
The Church is also responding to a recent Fire Safety Order that
requires extensive internal alterations to meet contemporary fi re safety
requirements. The design proposed in this new Development Application
incorporates more sophisticated and benefi cial responses to the Fire
Order than would be reasonably achieved by a limited upgrade project.
The new consultant team has taken a completely new approach to the
design in order to achieve an acceptable proposal for submission to
Sydney City Council for approval. Principal changes compared to the
previous scheme are:

1) The number of fl oors have been reduced by one storey and enclosed
plant level
2) The curved curtain wall modelling of the front elevation of the additional
fl oors, which previously related to the curved facade composition of the
adjoining high rise residential fl at building, has been simplifi ed, squared
off and given a strong symmetrical composition to refl ect the facade of
theScientology House building. The curved composition of the previous
scheme was also an unsuccessful attempt to achieve an overall average
setback while accommodating the principal stair.
3) The south facade of the addition has been stepped back by 500mm and
treated as a glazed curtain wall, in contrast to the previous extension of
the masonry character of the existing building.

[Purple Rain]

I would be quite interested to see the pictures. It makes my blood run cold actually now, thinking about what could have happened if there was a fire. I never thought of it at the time, but since 9/11 you think of the people trying to get out of the buildings, and well, I don't know how I would have gotten out of the place if there was fire in the stairwell.

[Zhent]

I would be quite interested to see the pictures.

Documents uploaded:

http://www.mediafire.com/?2vl6md49j9zworc

[Purple Rain]

Thanks, Zhent! Well, that was a blast from the past. I remember jogging around that building rooftop on the EPF - it's so ugly. Who ever thought to put gravel up there? Was it gravel? Something horrible. Quite a nice stairwell, but it still gives me the heebie jeebies. That second last step was where I decided I was NEVER going back to that building again. The building sure looked nicer in the '40s - that restaurant picture looks really ambient.

---------- Post added at 02:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:52 PM ----------

P.S. Why did nobody ever show me the flipping back stairs?? I don't remember ever doing a single fire drill, although they must have had them I suppose. Maybe there were exit signs or fire notices that just didn't register with me.

[thefatman]

It's a shame that a building with such an extensive history is not only owned by the cult but that they want to bastardize it by turning it into some over-the-top hideous architectural disaster.

Interesting turn of events on the graph Zhent, perhaps they're paying for rent with the money for the Idle Morgue? Though given that that the last leak regarding their funding was 6 months ago, I doubt they're paying $200K a month in rent (I do recall seeing a figure of around $100-120K a month. Even then, they're massively short on a few hundred thousand.

Though even with the additional $1.6 million that they're asking for that puts them well behind their original estimates of $11.8 million, though I'd assume that reduced cost is due to the scaling back of their plans as per council orders.

[Zhent]

Interesting turn of events on the graph Zhent, perhaps they're paying for rent with the money for the Idle Morgue? Though given that that the last leak regarding their funding was 6 months ago, I doubt they're paying $200K a month in rent (I do recall seeing a figure of around $100-120K a month. Even then, they're massively short on a few hundred thousand.

I did speculate in the Sydney org leaks thread that the FUNDGI was being funneled into the temp org to keep it afloat. This latest data does strengthen the theory. Where else is $1 million going to disappear to? Though in actuality it will be more then $1 million as they have been fundraising continuously over that period, yet somehow they still end up going backwards. (It could well be over $2 million disappeared!)

Building rent is less then $10000 a week, however from the stat leak we see GROSS income barely covers this at average $13000 a week. When you start adding other bills and costs... well yeah they are really fucked.




Though even with the additional $1.6 million that they're asking for that puts them well behind their original estimates of $11.8 million, though I'd assume that reduced cost is due to the scaling back of their plans as per council orders.

Don't forget, the $1.6 million figure is only to start construction - known as Phase 2 completion. There is still Phase 3 after that which is an additional $1.5 million. So currently about $3.1 million to go, and going backwards all the time...

BTW my money level datum on the graph might be wrong. Ie where its currently $8.6 million it may be above or below that - CoS keeps moving the goalposts so often its hard to know.
We can be fairly sure they are not aiming for the original $12 million now. City of Sydney DA website puts it under $11 million, but it may be different to that as well.

Lets just ignore the benchmark and stick with how much is left - the $1.6 million and $3.1 million figures.

[Purple Rain]

I did speculate in the Sydney org leaks thread that the FUNDGI was being funneled into the temp org to keep it afloat. This latest data does strengthen the theory. Where else is $1 million going to disappear to? Though in actuality it will be more then $1 million as they have been fundraising continuously over that period, yet somehow they still end up going backwards. (It could well be over $2 million disappeared!)



Haha, I think this calls for a NOISY investigation. If only we had a call-in list. Ring ... ring ... hello? Yes, I'm investigating the Church of Scientology on suspicion that one to two million dollars raised for the ideal org has gone MISSING .... Yes, that's right, MISSING!!!! When did you last see an update of the financial accounts? I do hope you haven't donated .... Well, of course there MIGHT be a logical explanation that doesn't involve FRAUD .... Anyway, thank you for your time. Do have a nice day! Fake smile.

And I've never even done the Noisy Investigations Checksheet. I think I am a natural.

[thefatman]

As of yesterday, nothing's changed.

Also, this is the 10,000th post for the Org Watch section :) I feel special.

[Cherished]

As of yesterday, nothing's changed.

Also, this is the 10,000th post for the Org Watch section :) I feel special.
10,001 GET.


You are special, fatman.

[scooter]

As of yesterday, nothing's changed.

Also, this is the 10,000th post for the Org Watch section :) I feel special.

You ARE special, my friend.:thumbsup:

Look how much admiration you get from the likes of Joe Kingi and Cyrus.:roflmao:

You MUST be doing something special to have such a dedicated fan-club.:hysterical:

You have a multi-billion dollar cult who's scared of you.:clap::clap::clap:

[thefatman]

Still nothing after having gone past everyday from Sunday last week to yesterday.

Quite sad really.

[Kookaburra]

You ARE special, my friend.:thumbsup:

Look how much admiration you get from the likes of Joe Kingi and Cyrus.:roflmao:

You MUST be doing something special to have such a dedicated fan-club.:hysterical:

You have a multi-billion dollar cult who's scared of you.:clap::clap::clap:

:lol:

How very, very true! Go fatman! :thumbsup:

[Zhent]

If anyone is bored and wants to dig further into the Sydney Ideal Org situation they can try contacting the real-estate agents handling the 4 Hercules St property. (details in the first post I think)

Would be great to get confirmation if/when they are being kicked out, and how much they are paying.


Aside from that, I believe the last reported 'scheduled completion date' was January 2012, and there is no chance for that anymore. Doubt they could even make LRH's birthday 2012 if they started tomorrow.

[thefatman]

You ARE special, my friend.:thumbsup:

Look how much admiration you get from the likes of Joe Kingi and Cyrus.:roflmao:

You MUST be doing something special to have such a dedicated fan-club.:hysterical:

You have a multi-billion dollar cult who's scared of you.:clap::clap::clap:

Not to mention everyone's favorite pedophile website owner. Though racecar is giving me some serious competition with his American lover :P

[Jump]

If anyone is bored and wants to dig further into the Sydney Ideal Org situation they can try contacting the real-estate agents handling the 4 Hercules St property. (details in the first post I think)

Would be great to get confirmation if/when they are being kicked out, and how much they are paying.


Aside from that, I believe the last reported 'scheduled completion date' was January 2012, and there is no chance for that anymore. Doubt they could even make LRH's birthday 2012 if they started tomorrow.

I guess there's some jobs going in aeronautical engineering :whistling:

[Miss Pert]

They won't be starting renos for a while cos got an email in the last couple of days saying they need just under $1million before they can do any work. :ohmy:

[Jachs]

The 3rd Route

Donation Route :ohmy:

[Free to shine]

They won't be starting renos for a while cos got an email in the last couple of days saying they need just under $1million before they can do any work. :ohmy:

I love how they "have to have before they can do". :coolwink: Isn't that "off policy"?

[Dulloldfart]

They won't be starting renos for a while cos got an email in the last couple of days saying they need just under $1million before they can do any work. :ohmy:

Sounds like a supermodel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Evangelista). The CofS has gone diva.

Superdivas explode spectacularly!

Paul

(Evangelista jokingly uttered the quote, "We don't wake up for less than $10,000 a day", [often misquoted as: "We don't get out of bed for less than..." or "I don't get out of bed for less than..."] Spoken in Vogue (1990) to Jonathan van Meter, talking about money and how she and a few other models were calling the shots and changing the game.)

[Zhent]

They won't be starting renos for a while cos got an email in the last couple of days saying they need just under $1million before they can do any work. :ohmy:

Are you able to post the exact message, and future messages? This kind of information is a highly useful indicator of whats going on inside. If you are concerned about security, being outed etc I would be happy to take it as a PM/email.

[anon2019]

An application has been filed for permission to erect new signage and exterior lighting
at Castlereagh Street. Dox can be found at http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au (http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/DAsOnExhibition/details.asp?tpk=1014286)

[Jachs]

An application has been filed for permission to erect new signage and exterior lighting
at Castlereagh Street. Dox can be found at http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au (http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/DAsOnExhibition/details.asp?tpk=1014286)

What a gradient step to appease sydney public for the never ending 'next' 1 million.

[AnonKat]

What a gradient step to appease sydney public for the never ending 'next' 1 million.

Jachs you are so much relaxter nowadays than when you first joinded congrats

[Moosejewels]

:dieslaughing::dieslaughing:
When I first saw the bag full of money on the bottom picture, I thought it was a toilet. Would have made more sense if it was :whistling:

Pinchy.

:hysterical::hysterical: Hah. I thought it was a toilet too !

[Jachs]

Jachs you are so much relaxter nowadays than when you first joinded congrats

Yeah thats what my friends say too.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRhpEH9yPhWdz382axecO9e-saozMKdkGTa_jqpA-niPwuGVDGqlg

[Kookaburra]

They won't be starting renos for a while cos got an email in the last couple of days saying they need just under $1million before they can do any work. :ohmy:

In March 2010 the were having a huge push for the money to get to the "start renos" mark. Someone make the final big donation and they announced they were starting the next week as soon as they hired a contractor. Funny that none of the scilons seem to remember that sort of thing. :confused2:

[Zhent]

An application has been filed for permission to erect new signage and exterior lighting
at Castlereagh Street. Dox can be found at http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au (http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/DAsOnExhibition/details.asp?tpk=1014286)


NICE ONE. I do occasionally check the DA's to see if anything new has changed, do you have an Alert set up for it?


Application Number D/2011/943

Location:
201 Castlereagh Street SYDNEY NSW 2000

Description:
Upgrade and provision of signage and lighting for the Church of Scientology Building

Estimated Cost of Work:
$5,000

Applicant:
WATERMARK ARCHITECTURE & INTERIORS PTY LTD

Application Lodgement Date:
23/06/2011

Exhibition Closes:
14/07/2011

Council Officer:
Bridget McNamara


Well this is an interesting development, and somewhat confusing.

After reading the dox I am assuming this is the 'interim solution' for the Ideal Org, in that they think doing the new facade will encourage the Sydney field that something IS happening and the rest of the money will soon fall in place. Of course this is also a confirmation that the actual upgrade is NOT happening. This is specifically a separate DA to the main Ideal Org DA, which suggests nothing is happening, or going to happen any time soon, with the real upgrade. This kind of upgrade work should be part of the main upgrade (might check the old dox for confirmation of this) and the fact that it has been separated out and pushed forward seems to suggest the main upgrade is really stalled.

What is really revealing about all this is the cost - $5000.

$5000!! I can hardly believe it. After so many years of fighting and regging, the grand new church of scientology will feature a paltry $5000 upgrade. This is extreme cost cutting: the massive logo you see below is just a removable vinyl decal, the rest is basically a lick of paint and a new entry way. Even at that I am scratching my head at how they plan to fit that into $5000, unless the new doors/entry is not included in this.

Here is a snippet from the pdf showing the changes:

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3521/110525scientologyherita.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/110525scientologyherita.jpg/)

Looks like they are still trying to push forward with that ridiculous glass house on the roof...

A floor plan was also posted, I will have a close look at this to see if there are any changes.

[Jachs]

your right $5,000 'Reno' is Squid Ink, the rent $ must be draining.

[Kookaburra]

They say that big cross is removable vinyl on the glass facade. But to my reccolection they do not have a glass facade, they have a lot of windows, which would not take a sign like that at all.

It is surprising that things like the sign and the front door are not part of the original DA.

So what is their motive here?

Are they trying to pull one over on their public? NO!!!! NEVER!!!!

As they MUST start renos by August on their original DA or lose their approval, are they hoping that a new sign and doorway will count as a start on that? Or are they trying to make it look like they are doing something while they lose their approval so they will have an excuse to sell the building, all the while collecting more donos, the devious little creatures?

Mind you, this is the best sign I have seen on an Ideal Org yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWUEJ2EOgnk

[oneonewasaracecar]

This is a good indicator we are getting to them. "Where is the ideal org/where is your money" is obviously hitting the mark.

I was at the ideal org recently and it looks terrible. So now they are going to tie a red ribbon around an old empty box? Ha!

I think you are right Zhent in that this is a perfect indicator that they are not really going to build the buidling.

Also Kook, I think you have the perfect slogan for the next raid - they told you the last 1 million dollars were in - do you remember that? So where is the ideal org?

[Phoenix Rising]

Documents uploaded:

http://www.mediafire.com/?2vl6md49j9zworc

I couldn't see any photo's, can you tell me how to do it?

I used to work for the Fire Brigade, was asked a number of times to have the Castlereagh St FB come and falsify the records so they wouldn't get checked for fire safety. It was a very long time ago now, but I remember trying to help them out, I think I did get them to come once to certify the building. :omg: when I think about it now and if there had been any fires there and what could have happened....:nervous:

[Zhent]

I was in Sydney today, and of course I had to go check out the new works on the Ideal Org... or rather the lack there-of.

Yes in a move that will surprise no-one, nothing has changed to 201 Castlereagh St despite assurances the fundraising was done (again, and again...) and that something would happen.

Things are so boring with the Sydney Ideal Org of late, I am dying for some juicy leaks. Someone? Anyone? :begging:


I couldn't see any photo's, can you tell me how to do it?

PM me if you still haven't been able to see the photos. *slowpoke.jpg*

[Panda Termint]

I was in Sydney today, and of course I had to go check out the new works on the Ideal Org... or rather the lack there-of.

Yes in a move that will surprise no-one, nothing has changed to 201 Castlereagh St despite assurances the fundraising was done (again, and again...) and that something would happen.

Things are so boring with the Sydney Ideal Org of late, I am dying for some juicy leaks. Someone? Anyone? :begging:



PM me if you still haven't been able to see the photos. *slowpoke.jpg*
Leaks, Zhent? OK, seeing as how you said please.

Here is a recent (2 weeks ago) message from the Fundraisingbots.

"We are currently at $250,360 for the week.
We have now 3 weeks to raise the remainder of $1,093,000 so the furniture stays on schedule. So continue to stay focused on meeting this target so we can have our Sydney Ideal Org opened on schedule next year."

It goes on, of course, tl:dr version = rah, rah, rah! etc etc etc

[Jump]

It goes on, of course, tl:dr version = ha,ha,ha,ha !!1 etc etc etc

FIFY

[Feral]

Leaks, Zhent? OK, seeing as how you said please.

Here is a recent (2 weeks ago) message from the Fundraisingbots.

"We are currently at $250,360 for the week.
We have now 3 weeks to raise the remainder of $1,093,000 so the furniture stays on schedule. So continue to stay focused on meeting this target so we can have our Sydney Ideal Org opened on schedule next year."

It goes on, of course, tl:dr version = rah, rah, rah! etc etc etc

Can we has tl dr version please?

Dox dox dox!!!

[Happy Days]

Leaks, Zhent? OK, seeing as how you said please.

Here is a recent (2 weeks ago) message from the Fundraisingbots.

"We are currently at $250,360 for the week.
We have now 3 weeks to raise the remainder of $1,093,000 so the furniture stays on schedule. So continue to stay focused on meeting this target so we can have our Sydney Ideal Org opened on schedule next year."

It goes on, of course, tl:dr version = rah, rah, rah! etc etc etc

It's like a neverending story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k

[Jachs]

Donation campaigns are big business. 250k for a week.

[Zhent]

Leaks, Zhent? OK, seeing as how you said please.

Here is a recent (2 weeks ago) message from the Fundraisingbots.

"We are currently at $250,360 for the week.
We have now 3 weeks to raise the remainder of $1,093,000 so the furniture stays on schedule. So continue to stay focused on meeting this target so we can have our Sydney Ideal Org opened on schedule next year."

It goes on, of course, tl:dr version = rah, rah, rah! etc etc etc

LOL

It just goes on and on!

And oh my the gall of them to continue this fundraising madness for furniture when they have not started any real work on the building. How can the public not see what is happening? Surely they have driven past 201 Castlereagh and seen a sad, untouched and derelict building. Have they somehow forgotten they have spent over two years in a 'temporary' warehouse in Surry Hills? Have they forgotten the endless, endless promises of completion right around the corner? (I am thinking of putting together a hard-hitting document that rounds up all these claims)

What is really extraordinary is the amount of money they are still, apparently, pulling in. $250,000 in a week? How on earth are they managing to extract these figures from their members? Its quite frankly scary, none of the Sydney scilons are 'super rich', who can just drop down a cool million, this is a continual stream of solid donations which evokes images of Sydney scilons in poverty who give their income streams straight to the church.

A scary thought. :omg:

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Donation campaigns are big business. 250k for a week.

250k for a week and they still can't afford a roll of toilet paper, but then again that's 250K in the Hubbard Numbering System and not the Decimal System

A conversion to decimal currently yields around 250

Scientology Number * (Actual Membership/Claimed Membership) = Reality

250,000 * (20,000/20,000,000) = 250

[Purple Rain]

LOL

It just goes on and on!

And oh my the gall of them to continue this fundraising madness for furniture when they have not started any real work on the building. How can the public not see what is happening? Surely they have driven past 201 Castlereagh and seen a sad, untouched and derelict building. Have they somehow forgotten they have spent over two years in a 'temporary' warehouse in Surry Hills? Have they forgotten the endless, endless promises of completion right around the corner? (I am thinking of putting together a hard-hitting document that rounds up all these claims)

What is really extraordinary is the amount of money they are still, apparently, pulling in. $250,000 in a week? How on earth are they managing to extract these figures from their members? Its quite frankly scary, none of the Sydney scilons are 'super rich', who can just drop down a cool million, this is a continual stream of solid donations which evokes images of Sydney scilons in poverty who give their income streams straight to the church.

A scary thought. :omg:

It's not as simple as that. You would think that two and two would start to add up, but that just doesn't factor in the belief and trust in the 'Church' and what they are being told. They will go through any mental hoops necessary to resolve whatever cognitive dissonance they begin to experience. To question the officers of their 'Church' would be suppressive - and so the internal wrestling begins. As long as they have fanatical believers they can continue to squeeze the money, continue to fair game others etc. etc. The 'Church' is everything - anything else comes second - spouse, kids, country, previous moral values, financial security, personal comfort - personal survival even. They will continue to fund couches for an invisible building till the cows come home. It's more than sad. It really is sad.

.:sad:

[I told you I was trouble]

It's not as simple as that. You would think that two and two would start to add up, but that just doesn't factor in the belief and trust in the 'Church' and what they are being told. They will go through any mental hoops necessary to resolve whatever cognitive dissonance they begin to experience. To question the officers of their 'Church' would be suppressive - and so the internal wrestling begins. As long as they have fanatical believers they can continue to squeeze the money, continue to fair game others etc. etc. The 'Church' is everything - anything else comes second - spouse, kids, country, previous moral values, financial security, personal comfort - personal survival even. They will continue to fund couches for an invisible building till the cows come home. It's more than sad. It really is sad.

.:sad:



How true.

There's a word for it too ... propitiation.


:yes:

[Freeminds]

It's not as simple as that. You would think that two and two would start to add up, but that just doesn't factor in the belief and trust in the 'Church' and what they are being told. They will go through any mental hoops necessary to resolve whatever cognitive dissonance they begin to experience. To question the officers of their 'Church' would be suppressive - and so the internal wrestling begins. As long as they have fanatical believers they can continue to squeeze the money, continue to fair game others etc. etc. The 'Church' is everything - anything else comes second - spouse, kids, country, previous moral values, financial security, personal comfort - personal survival even. They will continue to fund couches for an invisible building till the cows come home. It's more than sad. It really is sad.

.:sad:

For the people who still believe in the lies put out by the Church of Scientology, there's Mastercard.

For everyone else, there's ESMB.

We've always known that some people are going to take a long, long time to wake up and realise how thoroughly they have been used. Don't let that upset you; enjoy your own freedom, and be ready to help other people when they finally break out of the prison they have built inside their own minds.


God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

[degraded being]

LOL

It just goes on and on!

And oh my the gall of them to continue this fundraising madness for furniture when they have not started any real work on the building. How can the public not see what is happening? Surely they have driven past 201 Castlereagh and seen a sad, untouched and derelict building. Have they somehow forgotten they have spent over two years in a 'temporary' warehouse in Surry Hills? Have they forgotten the endless, endless promises of completion right around the corner? (I am thinking of putting together a hard-hitting document that rounds up all these claims)

What is really extraordinary is the amount of money they are still, apparently, pulling in. $250,000 in a week? How on earth are they managing to extract these figures from their members? Its quite frankly scary, none of the Sydney scilons are 'super rich', who can just drop down a cool million, this is a continual stream of solid donations which evokes images of Sydney scilons in poverty who give their income streams straight to the church.

A scary thought. :omg:

Is any of the money coming from IAS international? That was how they bought a 10 million dollar building in Auckland NZ (if I remember correctly).
Instead of slamming it down in one shot, are they making it look like they are getting payments regularly from locals - to hide the fact that they are trying to get blood from a stone? Speculation, I know, but............

[Zhent]

NEWS!

I have data from a pretty reliable source that Sydney Org still has $3.1 MILLION LEFT TO GO.

This data is from about a month ago, so is pretty up-to-date.

Whats really painful about this is that they have raised less then $1 Million THIS YEAR TOTAL. They are really struggling, costs keep blowing out, deadlines keep being missing, the opening date has now been pushed back again to Mid 2012, and I am sure next year it will be pushed back again.

Oh, and how about this juicy nugget:



Sydney Org is in its 6th decade. Yes, some say that there have been times of greater expansion in the past. But whilst we have had spurts of successful dissemination with more public coming in, it did not continue to expand. In fact, it contracted. Wonder why that was? Not to even begin to consider what we are up against in the day to day world of economic crisis, morale decay, all manner of psychiatric “remedies" for depression and drugged out kids in schools. We have never had an IDEAL org.

Wow! Did a scilon just widely admit the unstoppable church contracted? Of course they can never figure out why this is, as usual blaming the psyches etcetera.

[Purple Rain]

NEWS!

I have data from a pretty reliable source that Sydney Org still has $3.1 MILLION LEFT TO GO.

This data is from about a month ago, so is pretty up-to-date.

Whats really painful about this is that they have raised less then $1 Million THIS YEAR TOTAL. They are really struggling, costs keep blowing out, deadlines keep being missing, the opening date has now been pushed back again to Mid 2012, and I am sure next year it will be pushed back again.

Oh, and how about this juicy nugget:



Wow! Did a scilon just widely admit the unstoppable church contracted? Of course they can never figure out why this is, as usual blaming the psyches etcetera.

Joe Kingi has some money. Hopefully they will bankrupt him he will not shirk his duty as a Scientologist.

[thefatman]

NEWS!

I have data from a pretty reliable source that Sydney Org still has $3.1 MILLION LEFT TO GO.

This data is from about a month ago, so is pretty up-to-date.

Whats really painful about this is that they have raised less then $1 Million THIS YEAR TOTAL. They are really struggling, costs keep blowing out, deadlines keep being missing, the opening date has now been pushed back again to Mid 2012, and I am sure next year it will be pushed back again.

Oh, and how about this juicy nugget:



Wow! Did a scilon just widely admit the unstoppable church contracted? Of course they can never figure out why this is, as usual blaming the psyches etcetera.

#Still #Winning

That made my damn week. Cyrus must be having a cry.

[Purple Rain]

Lucky we're not in Tel Aviv. That building would be toast by now.

Edit: Sorry, that was a bad Gur Finkelstein joke. I wouldn't want anyone to take my comment the wrong way.

[Dulloldfart]

Edit: Sorry, that was a bad Gur Finkelstein joke. I wouldn't want anyone to take my comment the wrong way.

Sounds like a pantomime curse: "Grrrr. Finkelstein!"

(I do know who he is.)

Paul

[degraded being]

If it ever opens, the IDLE MORGUE's first function will be to welcome in the
NEW ERA OF TAXES.

[degraded being]

After the speech for the NEW ERA OF TAXES, they can announce the NEW BOSS OF CCHR (without mentioning the old one).

[Panda Termint]

And now a word from our Fearless Sydney Team Leader;

"There are a lot of people out there that are frustrated with how the world is going and are dying for real solutions. We have those solutions so we need to give it to them by opening our Ideal Org here in Sydney. Simply by moving up to your next status or flowing towards it we will have it DONE."

Feel free to comment or FIFY as desired, the phrase "we need to give it to them" is my favourite but I thought "dying for from real our solutions" was kinda cute too. :biggrin:

[oneonewasaracecar]

NEWS!

I have data from a pretty reliable source that Sydney Org still has $3.1 MILLION LEFT TO GO.

This data is from about a month ago, so is pretty up-to-date.

Whats really painful about this is that they have raised less then $1 Million THIS YEAR TOTAL. They are really struggling, costs keep blowing out, deadlines keep being missing, the opening date has now been pushed back again to Mid 2012, and I am sure next year it will be pushed back again.

Oh, and how about this juicy nugget:



Wow! Did a scilon just widely admit the unstoppable church contracted? Of course they can never figure out why this is, as usual blaming the psyches etcetera.
Mwaaahaaahaaaa.
Cyrus, any withholds? Any overts?

$3 mil short. Hilarious. They have been telling them and telling them and telling them it is going to get built. It is not. No fire escape, no money. Also no need for it. An ideal org is only going to get people in if people are interested in DM's Scientology.

Also, they can no longer deny contraction even to their own brainwashed culties.

Gold, Zhent. Pure gold.

[oneonewasaracecar]

After the speech for the NEW ERA OF TAXES, they can announce the NEW BOSS OF CCHR (without mentioning the old one).
What old one? She never applied Scientology to her life and also we've never heard of her.

[degraded being]

And now a word from our Fearless Sydney Team Leader;

"There are a lot of people out there that are frustrated with how the world is going and are dying for real solutions. We have those solutions so we need to give it to them by opening our Ideal Org here in Sydney. Simply by moving up to your next status or flowing towards it we will have it DONE."

Feel free to comment or FIFY as desired, the phrase "we need to give it to them" is my favourite but I thought "dying for from real our solutions" was kinda cute too. :biggrin:



When the scicultologists say the word "flow"......:omg: it's time to get outta there!

[Purple Rain]

Sounds like a pantomime curse: "Grrrr. Finkelstein!"

(I do know who he is.)

Paul

:clapping: I'm going to use that next time I need a good cuss! :pullhair:

[HeadPotter]

3 million or so to go aligns with the emails I have seen recently.

I wonder it that includes or does not include the million or so they lent to Melbourne Org for their opening... just to make it all go right.

Of course now that Melbourne is bursting at the seams and already scouting for a more ideal, ideal Org (Not!) they probably have that mill. lying around in petty cash ready to pay back any time... soon... maybe... sorta... kinda.

[Dulloldfart]

I wonder it that includes or does not include the million or so they lent to Melbourne Org for their opening... just to make it all go right.


That sounds like it will make for some interesting forensic accounting in the future. I wonder what the legal ramifications are of soliciting donations for a specific purpose and then loaning them to a separate corporation?

Paul

[Zhent]

In some other related news:

I have learnt that in the first 6 months this year Sydney Org made 6 Clears.

6 Clears!
Wow, thats a rate of 1 Clear a month!

At the current Australian birth rate of 24685 a month, Scientology will be able to clear Australia in...

<punches numbers into calculator>

NEVER!

The 6 poor saps are:

Olivia Lee
Robin Persse
Austin Kane
Anita Daum
Susan Jones
Steven Giles


But its not only Sydney Org who are failing miserably, I have also learnt that the AOSH ANZO SO has made 4 clears in the last 4 months, 1 per month again! Wow, being in the SO sure is a fasttrack up the bridge!

Those 4 poor saps are:

Natalia Dube
Stephanie MacClement
Malcolm McClintock
River Hsiao

[Panda Termint]

LOL. It wouldn't be the first time some of those names have appeared on Clears Lists, I'm guessing.

[Purple Rain]

LOL. It wouldn't be the first time some of those names have appeared on Clears Lists, I'm guessing.

I used to really like Malcolm McClintock. Everybody in ACT did, even though he was a reg. For some reason I had the idea that he was Clear already back when I met him in 1987. Gee, I wish he would get out and could go back to being himself. Run for it, Malcolm! Blow! Blow!

:run:

[HeadPotter]

Email Sent: 17 Nov. 2011

"We are completing the Sydney Ideal Org fundraising and the target date is the 15th of December 2011! The balance left to go is $ 3,023,669."

Hmmm... seem to have been stuck at that 3 mill mark for a while now.

[Zhent]

Email Sent: 17 Nov. 2011

"We are completing the Sydney Ideal Org fundraising and the target date is the 15th of December 2011! The balance left to go is $ 3,023,669."

Hmmm... seem to have been stuck at that 3 mill mark for a while now.

Thanks for that data! They appear to be raising around $100,000 or less a month this year.

But $3mil in 1 month? Thats almost as bad as the tiny Perth field, who expected to raise $5mil in a little over a month.

[Dulloldfart]

LOL. It wouldn't be the first time some of those names have appeared on Clears Lists, I'm guessing.

Ah. I was about to comment on the fact that although making Clears seems to have dropped off the CofS's to-do list, here was Sydney actually doing something "right." Silly me.

I suppose if they are redoing everything a person has supposedly completed, making a big thing out of declaring someone Clear the second (or third or fourth) time around fits right in there. Especially if they aren't making any more the first time around. "Cannibalizing CF" takes on an extended meaning.

Maybe the CofS could start issuing "Clear Insurance." For only $5000 a year, you are guaranteed not to have your Clear state cancelled as long as your premium payments remain up to date.

Paul

[AngeloV]

Sydney Org is in its 6th decade. Yes, some say that there have been times of greater expansion in the past. But whilst we have had spurts of successful dissemination with more public coming in, it did not continue to expand. In fact, it contracted. Wonder why that was? Not to even begin to consider what we are up against in the day to day world of economic crisis, morale decay, all manner of psychiatric “remedies" for depression and drugged out kids in schools. We have never had an IDEAL org.

The scio who wrote this needs to go to cramming and word clear the Data Series PL "Why is God". Blaming others because YOUR org is not expanding? Tsk, tsk. LRH would be pissed.

[BC1]

In some other related news:

I have learnt that in the first 6 months this year Sydney Org made 6 Clears.

6 Clears!
Wow, thats a rate of 1 Clear a month!

At the current Australian birth rate of 24685 a month, Scientology will be able to clear Australia in...

<punches numbers into calculator>

NEVER!

The 6 poor saps are:

Olivia Lee
Robin Persse
Austin Kane
Anita Daum
Susan Jones
Steven Giles


But its not only Sydney Org who are failing miserably, I have also learnt that the AOSH ANZO SO has made 4 clears in the last 4 months, 1 per month again! Wow, being in the SO sure is a fasttrack up the bridge!

Those 4 poor saps are:

Natalia Dube
Stephanie MacClement
Malcolm McClintock
River Hsiao

Is Natalia Dube related to Mathieu Dube?

[Zhent]

NEW DATA



We have broken the 3mil barrier and have 2,990,000 left to go! This has to be done in a matter of weeks and we count on your continued amazing support. Over 11 million has been raised by the Sydney field already

Consistant with a previous post of mine, they are still only raising around $100,000 a month. Its a disturbingly large amount of money, but no-where the 'order of magnitude' they need. $3 Mil in a matter of weeks? LOLOLOL good luck with that.
What is particularly revealing about this data is their admission they have raised over $11 million total. This brings the total funds needed to $14 million. Since the original target was $12 million (and $8M before that!), this is a clear admission costs have massively blown out. (Gotta love that LRH administration tech!)

At the current rate of fund-raising, they may just be able to open the Sydney Ideal org for LRHs birthday, 2014! :hysterical:




ALSO OF NOTE
Scientology have added a new notice to their promo's:



NOTICE: Joining Scientology volunteer staff is a religious commitment and all activities performed are entirely voluntary. Scientology is a religious philosophy and offers total freedom.

Hmm, I wonder why Scientology would be trying to cover their asses? :eyeroll:


EDIT: I have just realised that a year ago they claimed they had raised $8 Million total! I have clear data showing they have raised LESS THEN $1 MILLION this year. How do you get to $11 total raised from there?

What a farce! Totally caught out there Sydney Org! The Church of Scientology are either terrible liars, or hopelessly incompetent (or probably both)!

[Free to shine]

And how can they promote they "offer total freedom"???? WTF? :duh:

[Zhent]

In some other related news:

I have learnt that in the first 6 months this year Sydney Org made 6 Clears.

6 Clears!
Wow, thats a rate of 1 Clear a month!

At the current Australian birth rate of 24685 a month, Scientology will be able to clear Australia in...

<punches numbers into calculator>

NEVER!

The 6 poor saps are:

Olivia Lee
Robin Persse
Austin Kane
Anita Daum
Susan Jones
Steven Giles


But its not only Sydney Org who are failing miserably, I have also learnt that the AOSH ANZO SO has made 4 clears in the last 4 months, 1 per month again! Wow, being in the SO sure is a fasttrack up the bridge!

Those 4 poor saps are:

Natalia Dube
Stephanie MacClement
Malcolm McClintock
River Hsiao


I have learnt that not only have Sydney and AOSH ANZO been stuck on 1 Clear a month, but the mighty Melbourne Ideal Org is too only producing about 1 Clear a month!

Wow, after all those 'highest evers' and 'massive expansion' Melbourne Ideal org is still struggling to get people up the bridge, and still doesn't have enough staff to go Old Saint Hill size! Looks like the massive stat boom we keep hearing about has only been introductory services, and after that the public wise up to the fact Scientology is a cult and 'going up the bridge' is a total waste of time and money.

[Dulloldfart]

I have learnt that not only have Sydney and AOSH ANZO been stuck on 1 Clear a month, but the mighty Melbourne Ideal Org is too only producing about 1 Clear a month!

Wow, after all those 'highest evers' and 'massive expansion' Melbourne Ideal org is still struggling to get people up the bridge, and still doesn't have enough staff to go Old Saint Hill size! Looks like the massive stat boom we keep hearing about has only been introductory services, and after that the public wise up to the fact Scientology is a cult and 'going up the bridge' is a total waste of time and money.

Are these "genuine" Clears? By that I mean someone who hasn't been declared Clear, then undeclared, and declared Clear again and so on? Someone who has had hundreds of hours of auditing and gone through the Grades (preferably Expanded) and NED and had the Clear state "properly verified" in accordance with the usual HCOBs on the subject?

I'm just curious because the number of fresh Clears, who have gone through all the jumps, dropped off hugely years ago and it became very rare for people to actually make it after that. Especially in the climate of sec checks and lousy tech.

I'm not trying to assert that the state is real and matches various PR statements over the years, merely trying to see if these are real statistics in Scientology's own terms, and not the usual statistical flimflam to cover up no actual auditing and training going on.

Paul

[Zhent]

Don't have a clue, sorry Paul. I just pass on info I receive, which is usually thin because its from CoS PR.

[Lulu Belle]

Are these "genuine" Clears? By that I mean someone who hasn't been declared Clear, then undeclared, and declared Clear again and so on? Someone who has had hundreds of hours of auditing and gone through the Grades (preferably Expanded) and NED and had the Clear state "properly verified" in accordance with the usual HCOBs on the subject?

I'm just curious because the number of fresh Clears, who have gone through all the jumps, dropped off hugely years ago and it became very rare for people to actually make it after that. Especially in the climate of sec checks and lousy tech.

I'm not trying to assert that the state is real and matches various PR statements over the years, merely trying to see if these are real statistics in Scientology's own terms, and not the usual statistical flimflam to cover up no actual auditing and training going on.

Paul

Yeah; I was wondering the same thing.

[Zhent]

THE MAGIC FORMULA : 17-70


The 17-70 campaign
is hereby launched!

But what is the 17-70 campaign? Obviously 1770 is the year Captain Cook discovered Australia and claimed it for England. On the 26th of January 2012, we'll celebrate the landing of the First Fleet. Now as we know from history the actual plans for Australia started from 1770! So we decided to combine these important dates and make it even more important and valuable Australian date! So we will finish our Sydney Ideal Org fundraising on Jan 26 – and maybe, in decades to come – rewrite history as to what the real importance of 26th January actually is.



And there is one more significant meaning of 17-70. 17-70 represents the additional 17 Humanitarians we intend to make by then, which will give us a total of 70 Humanitarians. But, coincidentally, it also represents the total of Silver and Gold Humanitarians we intend to have by January 26 – a total of 17. There are 11 Silver and Gold Humanitarians right now, and we need an additional 6 very dedicated people to move up to Silver or Gold! And in doing this we will complete the full fundraising of our Ideal Org!

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3241/86548396.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/86548396.gif/)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9595/94150256.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/94150256.gif/)


All of these people will be part of the Legion of Honour, and will be immortalized on the Sydney Ideal Org plaque.



This level of dedication – Humanitarian and above – does this for us as a group: it takes us beyond clearing an individual, and into the realms of what it takes to clear a civilization. In 1976, LRH said it like this:



"You are creating an island of friendliness, decency, and succour
in the sea of a violent world. You do it by using policy and tech that
it took half a century to find and develop. Sometimes it's tough going.
Well, it's a tough world. But that is what makes our orgs so valuable.
And that is why above all else we must create these org islands.



"Some time in the future the islands will become the sea.
And it will happen because you took this advice, these PL's and this tech and
used them purely and as they were intended: to succour man
from the gathering darkness and decay of this Earth's civilization.



"Others talk about a better world. We are making one.



"And what I have just told you is the winning way to do it.



"So don't regard it lightly. We are the only chance Man has.



"Don't forget it."



Become a Legion of Honour Member today for the Sydney Ideal Org!



© 2011 CSAUS. All Rights Reserved. Grateful acknowledgement is made to L. Ron Hubbard Library for permission to reproduce selections from the copyrighted works of L. Ron Hubbard.



:melodramatic: :melodramatic: :melodramatic:

Another date and another deadline thats sure to be missed for the Sydney Ideal Org.

Could anyone be bothered to recognise and name these 53 poor (literally now) saps?

In other news, an eagle eyed WWP poster noticed this article:

http://macarthur-chronicle-campbelltown.whereilive.com.au/news/story/panjo-building-sells/



Panjo building sells
12 Dec 11 @ 02:32pm by Vera Bertola
http://images.whereilive.com.au/images/uploads/2011/12/12/259faa021049e4d45c0a221b6a6822ed_resized.jpg

CONTRACTS for the sale of the Panjo building, in Leumeah, are expected to be exchanged today or tomorrow, ending a colourful period in Campbelltown’s development.

The incomplete $50 million children’s entertainment venue, at the northern entrance to Campbelltown, faltered during the global financial crisis and was placed in the hands of receivers in February.

Selling agent Harry Bui, of CB Richard Ellis at Parramatta, said the buyer was a group of developers and opportunistic investors with no specific plans for the huge building which sprawls over five above-ground levels.

He said the developer had mainly commercial and residential interests.

“I think modifications will be done to the building but there are no plans for it,” Mr Bui said.

“I think the developer picked it up at a reasonable price and will figure out what to do with it later on.”

He confirmed a Muslim group had expressed interest in the Panjo building with a view to developing it into a school but this “didn’t work out”.

The Church of Scientology Australia also confirmed recently it had inspected the building but had decided against submitting an expression of interest.

What the hell?! Why on earth is COS even LOOKING at a $50 million building when they have been struggling for years on the current org. :confused2:

[Petey C]

My god, my god, my god. I don't know where to begin.

The plans for Australia started in 1770! No shit, Sherlock! Rewrite history to show what the real importance of 26 January is! :omg:

They're off the planet. Actually, the sooner they're off the planet the better.

And A=A ... people who give heaps of money are somehow humanitarian?? :no:

[Happy Days]

I noticed that Fay Pollard is picture by herself without our dear Ron Pollard. It was his contribution as well and although he's deceased I find it disturbing that she is pictured with no recognition of her late husband.

How cold and heartless is that :angry:

[Panda Termint]

I guess they were just bullshitting about the "immortalised" bit!

[Free to shine]

I can't see my rellies above, thank goodness. One day they are gonna be mighty pissed off at what they have already donated that earned a certificate, pray it isn't any more!

[BC1]

Something is strange about that poster for needing to complete the 17 G&S Humanitarians to reach 70 humanitarians. I find the following things odd:

1 - Almost (couldn't find 3 or so people) of the people in the top group are included in the second grouping of 70

2 - When the people from the G&S group are included in the larger humanitarian grouping, their photo's are altered from photos of couples, to single heads - meaning they cut the picture in half to use two squares instead of 1. If they want to count individuals, they are already over 70, but if they count a couple that donated as 1, then why did they split their photo up in their count to 70?

Very strange. I think it's altered to look like more people have contributed. If a normal person was doing it you would have the same picture used twice or you would have two individual groupings.

[Panda Termint]

That's not the ONLY thing which is very strange!

"You are creating an island of friendliness, decency, and succour in the sea of a violent world... " must seem kinda strange to those still enduring current conditions in the CofS.

[Petey C]

That's not the ONLY thing which is very strange!

"You are creating an island of friendliness, decency, and succour in the sea of a violent world... " must seem kinda strange to those still enduring current conditions in the CofS.

The scary thing is, the public probably agree with this. It's the poor buggers who are on staff who suffer the most.

[Zhent]

Something is strange about that poster for needing to complete the 17 G&S Humanitarians to reach 70 humanitarians. I find the following things odd:

1 - Almost (couldn't find 3 or so people) of the people in the top group are included in the second grouping of 70

2 - When the people from the G&S group are included in the larger humanitarian grouping, their photo's are altered from photos of couples, to single heads - meaning they cut the picture in half to use two squares instead of 1. If they want to count individuals, they are already over 70, but if they count a couple that donated as 1, then why did they split their photo up in their count to 70?

Very strange. I think it's altered to look like more people have contributed. If a normal person was doing it you would have the same picture used twice or you would have two individual groupings.

Excellent spotting! I think you are on to something here. For example I have Steve and Magaera Fagan down as one humanitarian contributor, ie they pooled their money together to get the award. But in the Humanitarian picture they are clearly shown as TWO humanitarians.
I think they may be trying to rort the system to win their stupid 'humanitarian game'. A few months ago they got sent a big trophy declaring them the world record holder of no. of humanitarians. Apparently they had stiff competition from Mexico...

Here is the stupid thing:
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5844/htrophy.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/htrophy.jpg/)

Sydney took the number one position world wide in number of Humanitarians and for this, we were sent this amazing trophy from International Management which is now proudly on display in the Sydney Org. It is really an acknowledgement to all of those who have gone above and beyond in creating the Ideal Org and who are still doing it. We currently have 52 Humanitarians. And as Malcolm announced when we received it – it is staying in Sydney! We set a target to get up to 70 which would make us completely unbeatable and will also help in getting the fundrasising stage of the Ideal Org program completed.

I wonder if RTC would be interested in receiving a little knowledge report on this discrepancy? :coolwink:

[Panda Termint]

The couples so pictured may well be "Double Humanitarians" !!! LOL

[Dulloldfart]

A few months ago they got sent a big trophy declaring them the world record holder of no. of humanitarians. Apparently they had stiff competition from Mexico...

Stiff hummers?

(http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hummer just in case the slang isn't familiar.)

Paul

[Zhent]

The couples so pictured may well be "Double Humanitarians" !!! LOL

Can it work that way though? For example if you donate $500,000 you go Gold Humanitarian, not 5x Humanitarian.
Sounds like they are trying to have it both ways. Have a couple pool their money to reach a single high donation level, but then also have them as two separate levels for humanitarians counting. Splitting this would void their high combined high level though!

Can you have it both ways? I wonder what the other orgs are doing in this situation.
(note: as far as I am aware Sydney does not have a 'double humanitarian' donation level')



Also, I just noticed Carly Crutchfield is shown as a Humanitarian. She must be keeping a low profile though, as I haven't seen a Sydney leak mentioning her donating in a VERY long time.

[Panda Termint]

Yes, it works however they want it to work! It's all about squeezing more cash from the cash-strapped.
Whatever got the stats up before will get 'em up again.
It's very Bizarro World, I know. :biggrin:

[Zencypher]

God damn I am pissed I donated Money to Sydney org...Diane Gilbert is a real pice of work.

[Panda Termint]

:welcome: to ESMB.
Don't feel too bad about it, you're amongst people who know EXACTLY how you feel here. :)

[Zhent]

Join Date
Oct 2009
Location
Brisbane
Posts
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Wow, thats an interesting delayed entrance! Sounds like you know a thing or two about the Sydney Ideal Org, would love to hear any stories or data you have :)

Unfortunately this thread has become massively long and a bit inaccessible to newbies, but theres plenty of data in here (and damning data at that) if you want to trawl through.

[Opter]

:welcome: to ESMB.
Don't feel too bad about it, you're amongst people who know EXACTLY how you feel here. :)






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[Zhent]

An update on Sydney (and Melbourne) was posted - http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25822-ANZO-NYE-event-leak-and-current-scene-(Sydney-amp-Melbourne)

Contains some key data such as the target of $2.7 million.

[Panda Termint]

It's a cryin' shame! I just cringe seeing good people's hard-earned money going to waste like this. Wake up ANZOites, it's a scam!

[Zhent]

LOL

I have just heard the official opening date of the Sydney Ideal Org has been pushed back to JANUARY 2013. :lol:


And it looks like money isn't the only problem they are having, because its a 'continental' ideal org they need 250 staff. They currently have about 60 staff lined up.

Good luck trying to get 190 more suckers for staff, thats practically the whole Sydney field! :biggrin:

[degraded being]

LOL

I have just heard the official opening date of the Sydney Ideal Org has been pushed back to JANUARY 2013. :lol:


And it looks like money isn't the only problem they are having, because its a 'continental' ideal org they need 250 staff. They currently have about 60 staff lined up.

Good luck trying to get 190 more suckers for staff, thats practically the whole Sydney field! :biggrin:

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

[Lohan2008]

I have just heard the official opening date of the Sydney Ideal Org has been pushed back to JANUARY 2013.
And it looks like money isn't the only problem they are having, because its a 'continental' ideal org they need 250 staff. They currently have about 60 staff lined up. Good luck trying to get 190 more suckers for staff, thats practically the whole Sydney field! :biggrin:

You can't make this stuff up.
:drama:

[oneonewasaracecar]

LOL

I have just heard the official opening date of the Sydney Ideal Org has been pushed back to JANUARY 2013. :lol:


And it looks like money isn't the only problem they are having, because its a 'continental' ideal org they need 250 staff. They currently have about 60 staff lined up.

Good luck trying to get 190 more suckers for staff, thats practically the whole Sydney field! :biggrin:
Jan 2013? Won't they have to start building soon? Or start building at all, more to the point...

I'd rather be staff than public if there are 190 of them. Imagine how much worse the regging would be if you were the only 10 or 20 public. You would get house visits every day.

[Zhent]

I'd rather be staff than public if there are 190 of them. Imagine how much worse the regging would be if you were the only 10 or 20 public. You would get house visits every day.

Fellow staff and SO are not immune from being regged.

[Lohan2008]

I'd rather be staff than public if there are 190 of them. Imagine how much worse the regging would be if you were the only 10 or 20 public. You would get house visits every day.

I wonder if they will implement DM's music chair program ?
God, what a horrid mental image of a Staffer arriving at your door battered and blooding repeating the mantra "I am the Champion", "I am the Champion", "I am the Champion", etc

[degraded being]

Do the unmet deadlines on the promised use of that money = FRAUD?

[Zhent]

Do the unmet deadlines on the promised use of that money = FRAUD?

Coupled with what I mentioned in the ANZO NYE leaks (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?25822-ANZO-NYE-event-leak-and-current-scene-(Sydney-amp-Melbourne-amp-Perth)&p=644965&viewfull=1#post644965) thread about how they have raised WAY more money then they are letting on, yes I certainly think there is grounds for fraud, though IANAL.

[thefatman]

Jan 2013? Won't they have to start building soon? Or start building at all, more to the point...

I'd rather be staff than public if there are 190 of them. Imagine how much worse the regging would be if you were the only 10 or 20 public. You would get house visits every day.

But they have started building.

A window got smashed and they put some wood over it. It's the new window tech, if people can't see in, the staff can't see out.