SO love to hate Ex-SO

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

This carries over from a chat cycle where I started ranting about my experiences as an ex. Carmel didn't like it. Hopefully I can clarify here, as it was enough to warrant a new thread.

Some people deserved to be kicked out of the SO
(This is probably what carmel didn't like)
I know of several instances where an SO member was such a lowlife that they were removed for things that are considered wrong in the real world. Adultery, sexual harassment, etc.

On the EPF, I got to know more about the Ex-SO then the current staff! Why? Because they love to hate them. Rants about the crimes of the Ex-SO filled part of my EPF. A repeated lesson in how those who you don't see here "didn't make the grade" and how many are called, few are chosen.

But what about people who were capable enough to follow the rules and were unfairly treated or assaulted? Yep - they hate them just the same.

This is why OSA gets away with labeling critics in bad ways. Because there have been a few who were bad!

I am NOT saying the vocal critics were these losers. The real out-2D Ex-SO were too concerned about their penises to observe that something might be wrong with the organization. And they'll feel too damn guilty to speak out against anything they did see.

Those who speak out are the good guys who got the show on the road one way or another! They tried to do good and saw the holes in the story. I was one of them.

A=A=A or Ex=Ex=Ex
These DA info that OSA puts out against critics is used even more intensely within the SO. Its a classic case of A=A=A. Anyone who is out of the SO, is a dirty good-for-nothing criminal who has overts. And now I can see that I am stuck with that label too.

I have (maybe not any more) friends in the SO and now they've turned against me with the force of a thousand cold shoulders. For what? I know I did nothing wrong, yet they avoid me like I'm wearing the anon mask.

I didn't like the losers who got kicked out - and deserved it - and now I dislike them even more. Because my reputation is tarnished because I am sitting on the same side of the fence as they are.

Confront Evil
Why is is that the group with the confront to salvage this sector, can't confront little old wiseman?

How is it that after all the years we were friends, could you believe me to be so evil? Why does my name bring forth such a vile expression of disgust? Can you not see me for who I have always been?

Maybe somebody has done me wrong? Maybe it's worth hearing what your former friend has to say about all this, because you know that people don't usually turn into SP's overnight!

To my friends in the SO: Even if goldenrod tells me you are evil, I'll not sway in my friendship. You are the only one who could end my friendship with you, not HCO.

So please don't.


-WMWT

[uniquemand]

Rather than worry about who needs to be kicked out of the SO, I choose to worry about disbanding the SO.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip> I didn't like the losers who got kicked out - and deserved it <snip>That's still responsibility of the Sinister Scam Cult of Scientology!

They brag about being the authorities on the human mind, and in posession of 'tech' that can make people saner and effective. Refrence Book One, and the impressive OT powers. - They have, allegedly, the only justice system in this sector of the universe that actually works.

So why didn't they 'handle' those losers and make 'em winners?

Yeh.. Re. Talking shit about everybody.. I have never known a group like scientologists to do that.. Always suspicious that everybody was a flamin' SP.. Always talking behind someones back and being enormously offended at how dilletantish, out ethics and wanton criminals they were.

Problem with that is that you know it's you being talked about when you ain't there.

:duh:

[Zinjifar]

"If you're gone; you're wrong" - Sea Org maxim.

Zinj

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

How is it that after all the years we were friends, could you believe me to be so evil? Why does my name bring forth such a vile expression of disgust? Can you not see me for who I have always been?
...
To my friends in the SO: Even if goldenrod tells me you are evil, I'll not sway in my friendship. You are the only one who could end my friendship with you, not HCO.

Well said. :thumbsup:

[Carmel]

This carries over from a chat cycle where I started ranting about my experiences as an ex. Carmel didn't like it. Hopefully I can clarify here, as it was enough to warrant a new thread.

Some people deserved to be kicked out of the SO
(This is probably what carmel didn't like)

<snip>

A lot of us have our 'pet hates', and I have a few. On chat that afternoon, there a couple of things that irked me.

People can seemingly be so quick to judge, jump on the bandwagon and throw stones, whether within or outside of the CofS.

I don't know of any instances where what ya have called a "lowlife" has been off-loaded from the SO (that's not saying that those instances haven't occurred). I have seen some very fine people off-loaded though, and many happy to buy the slander on these SO members as the 'reason' it occurred. I don't take kindly to the perpetrators, nor the 'buying' or 'fowarding' of the BS by the 'mob'.

If one accepts the term/concept of "lowlife", then these "lowlifes" could/would be found anywhere in society, and IMO don't and/or shouldn't harm the "PR", or detract from the good works, of any group.......unless of course, one 'buys' the concept that the Sea Org are the 'elite' on planet earth.

[Winston Smith]

I sure am glad I never came close to a boat with scientologists on it.

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

A lot of us have our 'pet hates', and I have a few. On chat that afternoon, there a couple of things that irked me.

People can seemingly be so quick to judge, jump on the bandwagon and throw stones, whether within or outside of the CofS.

I don't know of any instances where what ya have called a "lowlife" has been off-loaded from the SO (that's not saying that those instances haven't occurred). I have seen some very fine people off-loaded though, and many happy to buy the slander on these SO members as the 'reason' it occurred. I don't take kindly to the perpetrators, nor the 'buying' or 'fowarding' of the BS by the 'mob'.

If one accepts the term/concept of "lowlife", then these "lowlifes" could/would be found anywhere in society, and IMO don't and/or shouldn't harm the "PR", or detract from the good works, of any group.......unless of course, one 'buys' the concept that the Sea Org are the 'elite' on planet earth.

You know what? I bet you're right about some of them. In most cases, I only know what I was told about them.

There are at least two people I know for a fact were lowlifes.

When I first started the EPF, I heard a lot of stories about people who were routed out way before I joined. I can't be sure what really happened.

And, of course they never tell the stories about people who left because they couldn't stand the b.s. anymore.

-WMWT

[Panda Termint]

General Comment: And, of course, there are still one or two lowlifes who might never be kicked out of the SO as long as it exists. :)

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

No, there are no lowlifes in the SO!

"Those you see here made the grade"
:nervous:

-WMWT

[byte301]

The biggest lowlife in the SO? David Miscavige. Prove me wrong.

[Voltaire's Child]

I'm reminded of something my husband said to me a couple times re the RPF. He said if anyone in question, in that situation was so messed up that they needed months or longer of draconian "rehabilitation" then they should have just chucked the person out.

Srsly, tho' - from everything I've read, the RPF is just a way to get scut work done, treat people like shit, and not have to be accountable for it. It's just like lower orgs and missions' unseemly eagerness to have people "work up through their lowers"- just to get the goddamn scut work done.

Niiiice!

[Voltaire's Child]

The biggest lowlife in the SO? David Miscavige. Prove me wrong.



Couldn't if I wanted to...

He's a mean mean fucker.

[wiseman_of_the_watchtower]

I'm reminded of something my husband said to me a couple times re the RPF. He said if anyone in question, in that situation was so messed up that they needed months or longer of draconian "rehabilitation" then they should have just chucked the person out.

Srsly, tho' - from everything I've read, the RPF is just a way to get scut work done, treat people like shit, and not have to be accountable for it. It's just like lower orgs and missions' unseemly eagerness to have people "work up through their lowers"- just to get the goddamn scut work done.

Niiiice!

That's irrelevent. When I was "on decks" (a status for people do who are not on any post, and the SO org has no established RPF), it only took so long because I knew I wasn't at fault!

You can only judge a person by the things they did, not what HCO is doing to them.

In fact, HCO treated me worse then the real losers, because they knew I was right and couldn't do anything about it.

-WMWT

[Iknowtoomuch]

That's irrelevent. When I was on the RPF, it only took so long because I knew I wasn't at fault!

You can only judge a person by the things they did, not what HCO is doing to them.

In fact, HCO treated me worse then the real losers, because they knew I was right and couldn't do anything about it.

-WMWT


Even those that thought they were in the wrong were stuck there for a very long time. I remember RPF members that had done every step that they had to do to complete the RPF sending their CSW's (plural because you can't complete without completing someone else as well) up for appoval. And having to wait a couple months just to hear back that they had one or two things they still had to do. Added items. Or the CSW was incomplete.
The entire time I was there we had either four or six completions. I was there nearly a year. And two of those completions came back a few months after they finished.:duh:

Hell I remember my folders going out for CSing and having to wait a month for them to come back. Literally a fucking month.

[I told you I was trouble]

I'm reminded of something my husband said to me a couple times re the RPF. He said if anyone in question, in that situation was so messed up that they needed months or longer of draconian "rehabilitation" then they should have just chucked the person out.

Srsly, tho' - from everything I've read, the RPF is just a way to get scut work done, treat people like shit, and not have to be accountable for it. It's just like lower orgs and missions' unseemly eagerness to have people "work up through their lowers"- just to get the goddamn scut work done.

Niiiice!

That is EXACTLY what the RPF is really about.

Cheap labour (but I daresay for some RPFers getting out of the manic org environment was a relief at least initially).

:no:

[Iknowtoomuch]

That is EXACTLY what the RPF is really about.

Cheap labour (but I daresay for some RPFers getting out of the manic org environment was a relief at least initially).

:no:




It was exactly that. It was much less mental stress and added 1000% physical stress. But it wore on you fast because you had absolutely zero freedom. You can't talk to any of your friends (unless they are on the RPF as well). You couldn't even live with your spouse for god sakes.
Although there was mental stress from within the RPF itself. But it was different for sure. To a degree you were "protected" while on the RPF.

[fishdaddy]

Scientology encourages a kind of elitist snobbery - a contempt for people who are "low-toned," "DBs," "wogs," and so on. In the Sea Org this is amplified. Sea Org Members treat each other with a contemptuous arrogance that has to be seen to be believed.

If I've learned one thing from leaving the SO, it is not to be so arrogantly judgemental of others.

WMWT, I know hundreds of Ex-SO, literally. I do not know any "lowlifes." I do not know any "losers." I do not know anyone who "deserved" to be offloaded. I do not know any "criminals" or "sex deviants."

I know people who were branded that way in the Sea Org. I know people who were labelled "Out-2D" for simply looking at a member of the opposite sex. I know people who were branded as "criminals" for simply opposing Miscavige.

For me, all this talk about "lowlifes" and "losers" smacks of the way people were treated on the inside.

[byte301]

I'm sure davey gets a real thrill out of seeing all those db's in the RPF running around in rags. His own little gulag. In reality he and a couple of other little bastards are the ONLY people who really deserve RPF'ing.

[Mick Wenlock]

I didn't like the losers who got kicked out - and deserved it - and now I dislike them even more. Because my reputation is tarnished because I am sitting on the same side of the fence as they are.


so its a damned if you do and damned if you dont is it not?

How could you possibly stand the losers who are IN?

They taint you if you stayed, and the losers who deservedly got kicked out taint you when you are out.

Damn those losers.

You may want to rethink a bit.

[Mick Wenlock]

Scientology encourages a kind of elitist snobbery - a contempt for people who are "low-toned," "DBs," "wogs," and so on. In the Sea Org this is amplified. Sea Org Members treat each other with a contemptuous arrogance that has to be seen to be believed.

If I've learned one thing from leaving the SO, it is not to be so arrogantly judgemental of others.

WMWT, I know hundreds of Ex-SO, literally. I do not know any "lowlifes." I do not know any "losers." I do not know anyone who "deserved" to be offloaded. I do not know any "criminals" or "sex deviants."

I know people who were branded that way in the Sea Org. I know people who were labelled "Out-2D" for simply looking at a member of the opposite sex. I know people who were branded as "criminals" for simply opposing Miscavige.

For me, all this talk about "lowlifes" and "losers" smacks of the way people were treated on the inside.

The Paternal Pisces speaks sooth.

[Lulu Belle]

Scientology encourages a kind of elitist snobbery - a contempt for people who are "low-toned," "DBs," "wogs," and so on. In the Sea Org this is amplified. Sea Org Members treat each other with a contemptuous arrogance that has to be seen to be believed.

If I've learned one thing from leaving the SO, it is not to be so arrogantly judgemental of others.

WMWT, I know hundreds of Ex-SO, literally. I do not know any "lowlifes." I do not know any "losers." I do not know anyone who "deserved" to be offloaded. I do not know any "criminals" or "sex deviants."

I know people who were branded that way in the Sea Org. I know people who were labelled "Out-2D" for simply looking at a member of the opposite sex. I know people who were branded as "criminals" for simply opposing Miscavige.

For me, all this talk about "lowlifes" and "losers" smacks of the way people were treated on the inside.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS.

[Man de la Mancha]

(but I daresay for some RPFers getting out of the manic org environment was a relief at least initially).:no:

I was never on the RPF, but there were a few people on the RPF my entire two years at PAC. Is it possible some people get comfortable with it and never want to go back? I got sent to the DPF for about a month, and it was a blast compared to Treasury or HCO, but sort of a drag cuz I had to sleep in Leb Hall and no sneaking away from post.