How do you stop thinking of Scientology tech as a solution?

[Disinfected]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (source disputed (http://peterfeld.tumblr.com/post/70200626/im-not-upset-that-you-misquoted-nietzsche-im-upset))

Disinfected

[olska]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

Look around outside scientology for solutions. As you find some good advice and/or techniques that replace scientology, your dependence on scientology will gradually (or perhaps very quickly) lessen.

The "self-help" section in your local bookstore (or a search on internet bookstore) is a good place to start. Used bookstores are a wonderful inexpensive resource. Pick something that "indicates" to you and begin -- it won't cost much and you won't get unwanted mail or calls! Some self-help books are just "cheerleading" type advice, but some have useful worksheets.

If the problem in your life is greater than you can deal with alone with self-help materials as a resource, then seek counseling from people who specialize in your particular problem -- such as, financial counseling for financial problems, marriage counseling for relationship problems, "life coach" for general problems, etc.

Or, if you don't mind making your problem "public," ask for help right here in this on-line support group! Probably many of us have experienced something similar to what you're going through, and you might be pleasantly surprised how helpful people here can be.

Good luck to you!

[Iknowtoomuch]

Scientology rarely ever even had a solution for me. Although I never knew it at the time.
I just don't look to Scientology for any answer anymore.

[altruistichedonist]

It's been a dilemma for me at times.

After 13 years, I still do nerve assists. And I still observe people's tone scale when I'm talking to them. Works wonders in a sales job !

But I treat the rest of what I've learned from scientology like crap.

Hey OSA :scared: get back in the closet.

[Reasonable]

Here are the answers to all your problems.

1) Buy the Basics for $3500 and give them to your local library.
2) Give all your money to the IAS to fight imagined enemies
3) Go into debt and buy more auditing
4) Clear every word in the English language
5) Go on course 15 hours a day
6) Join staff and work for free for 5 years
7) Join the sea org and work for free for one billion years
8) Buy 1000 "way to happinsess pamhlets" and send them to Uganda where they can't read English
9) Donate $4200 for a cast iron bust of LRH
10) Disconnect from anyone that doesn't agree with you
11) Relabel your opinion as "certainty" and always be right by acting that you don't have to be right.
12) Confront your e-meter for 2 hours
13) Go to Flag as everything gets solved at Flag
14) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
15) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
16) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
17) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag

Much "Love"

[HelluvaHoax!]

[QUOTE=Disinfected;313543]
On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

Ciao Disinfected!

Maybe consider this....without scientology, how is it that flowers know how to grow and babies know how to laugh?

Instinct!

Follow your own and it will happen for you.

All the best to you!

[Voltaire's Child]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

The thing to do is evaluate things for oneself. I didn't stop thinking of Scn as a solution. I stopped thinking of it as the solution. In fact, I stopped thinking about anything as a "solution".

[Disinfected]

Here are the answers to all your problems.

1) Buy the Basics for $3500 and give them to your local library.
2) Give all your money to the IAS to fight imagined enemies
3) Go into debt and buy more auditing
4) Clear every word in the English language
5) Go on course 15 hours a day
6) Join staff and work for free for 5 years
7) Join the sea org and work for free for one billion years
8) Buy 1000 "way to happinsess pamhlets" and send them to Uganda where they can't read English
9) Donate $4200 for a cast iron bust of LRH
10) Disconnect from anyone that doesn't agree with you
11) Relabel your opinion as "certainty" and always be right by acting that you don't have to be right.
12) Confront your e-meter for 2 hours
13) Go to Flag as everything gets solved at Flag
14) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
15) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
16) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
17) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag



18) Return to Step 1.

You forgot the all-important loop.

[Type4_PTS]

Or, if you don't mind making your problem "public," ask for help right here in this on-line support group! Probably many of us have experienced something similar to what you're going through, and you might be pleasantly surprised how helpful people here can be.


Disinfected, there IS other tech out there. When I got out 20 years ago I "knew" that scientology had the best solution for pretty much everything. I've come to see that there is not only other tech but some of it is incredibly effective. If you describe the nature of the issue your running into I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions.

[Disinfected]

[QUOTE][I]

Ciao Disinfected!

Maybe consider this....without scientology, how is it that flowers know how to grow and babies know how to laugh?

Instinct!

Follow your own and it will happen for you.

All the best to you!

Flowers die and babies cry and that is instinct too. I can provide plenty of examples where instinct perhaps leads to some very grisly and undesirable consequences. I'll spare you the imagery.

Thanks but I really can't "think with" that one.

Though I will acknowledge that I should perhaps try.

[EP - Ethics Particle]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

I understand what you mean here Disi - and it is something that I also encounter - often enough to be aware of it anyway.

Scientology does contain some pretty darn applicable stuff - for example, the "four conditions of exchange" - remember them?

And the "third party law" is observably applicable SOME of the time.

I also recall Hubbard saying that when "out 2D" occurs within a business that the business will fail. In my observation and experience, this is ALMOST invariably true.

Plus, Hubbard said and wrote reams of utter garbage - people tend to overlook and not take seriously most of what they don't like or don't agree with - I know I sure did! The damn guy said ALMOST EVERYTHING at some point or some time or the other!

But there are no 100% "sure things" in Scientology or anywhere else.

And beyond "The Grades" in the CoS, I am of the opinion that people often get really damaged mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, financially, etc - but not INVARIABLY!

Some of the basic stuff, I still apply, but with the caveat to myself or whoever else is involved that "such-and-such" MAY be going on and that "such-and-such" MIGHT just be of some assistance or use.

Scientologists are conditioned to "know" things and the "certainty" that is thus "theirs" can be a comforting thing! Think how reassuring it is to "KNOW" where the solution to everything can be obtained.

This blind "knowingness" renders the Scientologist a royal "pain-in-the-ass" to most folks who do the best they can, confident that that kind of certainty is a sure sign of a fool - and ya don't need a license to be a damn fool as my Grandmother allus said.

And, by-the-way, Grandmother used her form of "study tech" when she taught a one-room school around 1907, where she had the smart girls teach the plowboys to read by having them take turns reading aloud and correcting each other as they went along. They LOVED it!

They had no spelling books, so they used the dictionary and learned the definitions and derivations as they progressed.

She always said that "there's nothing new under the sun"... and I'm sure she came close to the truth there.

My belief is that as another poster advised, if you just trust your instincts and follow through on whatever you undertake; that, in time Scientology will simply fade away in your personal universe as a circumscribable entity and whatever abides will be the closest to truth that existed there.

You will be just fine, so be patient, rest easy and don't be too hard on yourself - or expect too much of others...we're all just fallible "hooming beans" when it comes right down to it.:yes:

ML :wink2:

EP

[Disinfected]

Or, if you don't mind making your problem "public," ask for help right here in this on-line support group! Probably many of us have experienced something similar to what you're going through, and you might be pleasantly surprised how helpful people here can be.

Good luck to you!

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

I find that when I'm feelin sorta depressed that a spell on the "chatbox full" tends to lift my spirits considerably! Come over when ya feel like it - warning though, folks come and go precipitously so don't be concerened if yer left hangin' sometimes without a response back - and don't feel bad if ya have to do that to others yerself sometimes!

[Type4_PTS]

Disinfected,
There ARE solutions to the issues you're contending with. One thing that I would suggest is first to look at any possible physical causes, as there are some physical issues that can cause depression.....anemia, hypothyroidism, and other things. You can look at the other symptoms that go with these various conditions to see if you are manifesting them as well, and if necessary get checked out by a doctor.
Of course, if you already KNOW what is causing the depression then disregard this post. :D
I have observed instances though where people have nutritional deficiencies or other issues causing symptoms and picked a "solution" that doesn't address the true cause.

[Disinfected]

Disinfected,
There ARE solutions to the issues you're contending with. One thing that I would suggest is first to look at any possible physical causes, as there are some physical issues that can cause depression.....anemia, hypothyroidism, and other things. You can look at the other symptoms that go with these various conditions to see if you are manifesting them as well, and if necessary get checked out by a doctor.
Of course, if you already KNOW what is causing the depression then disregard this post. :D
I have observed instances though where people have nutritional deficiencies or other issues causing symtoms and picked a "solution" that doesn't address the true cause.

Thanks. Yes, there are physical things that I can do that help, though, of course, the trick is in the doing them and doing them consistently. I am also in a job that I find unrewarding. There are other aspects of my life that could stand improvement/change.

I am actually working on those and have a plan and am moving on the plan albeit with the mentioned barriers.

I am grateful for any advice as to handling or improving my condition. My problem is that I thought I had found my "system" and I still find much truth and applicability in LRH's writings. Yes, he did say a lot and there may be some internal contradictions but I have studied a LOT of Scientology and find it pretty consistent.

My problem is do I want to get Scientology out of my head? Why? How?

Please keep the advice and communication coming, it IS helping.

[Kathy (ImOut)]

Scientology rarely ever even had a solution for me. Although I never knew it at the time.
I just don't look to Scientology for any answer anymore.

Yep, that's about how I feel, too.

It's easy to stop thinking of Scientology tech as a solution, when it never really was a solution.

[Kathy (ImOut)]

<snip>

My problem is do I want to get Scientology out of my head? Why? How?



Disinfected,

You are the only one that can answer this questions. Anyone telling you that you do and why and how, is not going to be the truth for you.

I think I struggled with that when I first left. I don't remember all the different things/ways that finally got Scn out of my head. But I know I finally did.

I did realize that LRH was a scammer. This is my own reality, aided by reading some truths as told by others. And I say "truth", because the stories rang true with me. (Does that make sense?)

[Blue Spirit]

Good advice there.

Some common things to check out on the physical side are removing all Mercury (have any 'amalgam' fillings) and also Candida that can mimic any and all symptoms. Also get more Magnesium into the body with externally applied Magnesium Chloride oil (natural from sea water).

Also remove all sugar in any form (even grains) for a few months. Take a good B-complex and B-1.

There is really no substitute for a long battery of Objective Processes.
Find a twin and just read it- drill it- and do it. Couple of hundred hours may be needed for stability.

Although it consumes time and money Skydiving is great therapy and will take
your mind of everything else for awhile, sometimes several days.
Try one jump first. It is a VERY safe sport as practiced now.



Disinfected,
There ARE solutions to the issues you're contending with. One thing that I would suggest is first to look at any possible physical causes, as there are some physical issues that can cause depression.....anemia, hypothyroidism, and other things. You can look at the other symptoms that go with these various conditions to see if you are manifesting them as well, and if necessary get checked out by a doctor.
Of course, if you already KNOW what is causing the depression then disregard this post. :D
I have observed instances though where people have nutritional deficiencies or other issues causing symtoms and picked a "solution" that doesn't address the true cause.

[Blue Spirit]

The thing to do is evaluate things for oneself. I didn't stop thinking of Scn as a solution. I stopped thinking of it as the solution. In fact, I stopped thinking about anything as a "solution".

That is certainly sage advice ! :thumbsup:

[lionheart]

Disinfected,

Scientology is mainly a must-get-it-fixed system.

But even within scientology theory it is a concept that what you resist you become.

So there is a contradiction there within scientology.

Let's take "depression" as an example. The scientology "solution" is to fix it, handle it, process it, to remove it. This is a "scientology can fix that" attitude to "depression".

But those attitudes support or encourage resistance to depression. Resisting it makes the depression stronger. Similarly trying to fix it or get rid of it can make it stronger.

Allowing the feelings of depression can release the depression. Holding on to the feelings, deliberately and knowingly can bring relief.

I can give more detail if you are interested. These techniques are entirely free, apart from maybe buying a normally priced book from somewhere like Amazon.

[Type4_PTS]

I am also in a job that I find unrewarding.


I know for myself that when I've had a job that I found unrewarding it has a huge negative impact on me. There is an incredible job-hunting and career-changing book called "What Color is Your Parachute?" which I highly recommend. It has some great tools that help you focus in on the correct job/career for YOU, on what will make you happy. I included a link below for the 2009 edition as it has some customer reviews in case you like to read those, but should you decide to read the book there is a 2010 edition available as well.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Color-Your-Parachute-2009/dp/1580089313/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255295864&sr=8-1

[GreyWolf]

Great topic. Sometimes when something happens to me, I still catch myself wondering how I pulled it in. Aint that a hoot? Seriously, rely on your instinct and it will get better. It may take some time, but it will get better.

[degraded being]

Read books.

Someone made the point very strongly about the solution being GO TO FLAG.
That was a good point. Look at the OTs who go round and round on the merry go round trying to "handle" things that would have been "handled" on lower levels if cult tech was effective. Flag (the mecca of technical perfection) is a big money sucking scammer, not a solution.

Don't bother with books which are realistic and don't offer pie-in-the-sky solutions or simplistic rubbish based on not understanding things thoroughly.

[Dark Phoenix]

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

I don't know how you have been handling your depression but I'm wondering if you're receiving any sort of treatment for it, and if so, if it's the right treatment for you.

I've suffered with depression myself on and off and it was only through a lot of trial and error that I finally found the treatment that worked for me. But once that happened life became so much easier. A huge change for me was to stop the compulsive ruminating on particular thoughts and events from the past. This is a fairly common result of depression. It used to really immobilize me. I'd unknot my thoughts just enough to come up with a solution to a problem, but my thinking would get stuck in one of these patterns, and I'd become uncertain and end up not doing anything.

You may of course have the depression under control, but I know from experience that if left untreated properly, it can seriously impair your thinking and your ability to resolve and move forward from negative experiences.

[bluewiggirl]

Sure. Let's start with depression, "suicidal ideation", difficulty concentrating. Now don't get all worried, I have been dealing with the first two for most of my life and have no plans to embarrass myself or my family.

Those are, IMO, symptoms. I also have plenty in my life that is positive. But I wrestle with those the way one might wrestle with obesity or alcoholism.

If you are willing to let go of the "psychiatry is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!" mindset, it may be worthwhile talking to a therapist about what you can do for depression. Depending on where your preferences lie, you can find doctors who can prescribe medication, connect you with support groups, deliver "normal" counseling, or provide any number of newer therapies. I've fought with depression too, what works for me seems to be cognitive therapy in combination with fish oil supplements if things are getting particularly intense. I have been on medication for depression in the past and it helped get me under control long enough for the therapy to really begin to take an effect, but I'm not the sort of person who could be comfortable taking psych meds for my whole life.

Some other options available to you: art therapy, light therapy, exercise, changes in diet, news fasting, creating a more regimented schedule for yourself, reducing external sources of stress, meditation, prayer, taking up a hobby, following some self-help guru, volunteering for charity and making new friends. If you found Scientology to be particularly effective for you (but you don't wanna become another squirrel) you may even want to consider taking a course in self-hypnosis.

I guess the real question here is what it was in organized Scientology that you miss. If you can identify it, you can start to look for it elsewhere.

[Carmel]

If you want to get Scn out of your head, I'd say read threads here - Seeing things for what they are is a good way to get things "unstuck". On this board there is so much info and so many diverse points of view - it's all food for thought and if one uses it as such, then there is much to be gained.

Whatever your situation, an objective point of view is usually a good one. Looking at your scene and writing your thoughts on it can be therapeutic, then posting it and receiving 'feedback' or responses can help ya see things from a different perspective, and can really help things 'shift'.

Ya can post anything and everything here, and from my experience, when ya post things of a very personal nature, that ya might expect an adverse reaction to, ya don't get one.....all ya get is support, and sometimes very good advice that ya wouldn't otherwise think of or info that can and does certainly make a difference.

I wouldn't bury any of it, or wish it to go away, but I think you've also got to give yourself a break. Like, get out there in life and put your attention on other things and other people as well.

Take a win on everything and anything, and don't kid yourself that ya could or should be able to deal with anything in one foul swoop. It's little steps that become giant leaps over time, and even then, it's not like life is always roses for any of us even though some of us may make it seem like it is.

You're here now. The more you read and the more you post about this stuff, the better off you'll be. And, for "exes", this board opens up all sorts of doors that ya couldn't or wouldn't imagine.

All the best with it all. :)

Carmel

[apple]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I [PHP]have a problem.[QUOTE]


If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. ]
For me a few years ago I had a problem that was causing me almost a nervous-breakdown condition. I thought I would go to the local CoS and get some direction and consoling. Mind you I have not been a member for a few years. What happened was the E.D. made me feel worse. Could that have been the process? To feel worse then when coming in. It worked, I did feel worse, then I left. I then went to a REAL church. There I found true consoling. I then gradually corrected the problem. When surrounded by good people things do get resolved.

[Lohan2008]

You will have to find interest not connected to your "life" in the Church....
go for a walk in the park, go to the art gallery, buy yourself a meal costing more than $20, take up a hobby.

It is important to fill up the "hole" that you feel, there is a WHOLE world out there to experience.

[lambear]

Dear Disinfected,
A good start really is to get your body feeling good--plenty of fresh air, good diet, exercise. Then, actually go out and talk to lots of people because it reminds you of the good and bad out there and that we all have bits and pieces of each;it might give you a better perspective.:)
As far as scientology, try to eliminate all the scio jargon. What I discovered was that as soon as I trained myself to use regular words instead of my habitual Scio. lingo, I was more able to let go of the subject altogether.:thumbsup:

[Mark A. Baker]

I am grateful for any advice as to handling or improving my condition. My problem is that I thought I had found my "system" and I still find much truth and applicability in LRH's writings. Yes, he did say a lot and there may be some internal contradictions but I have studied a LOT of Scientology and find it pretty consistent.

My problem is do I want to get Scientology out of my head? Why? How?

Please keep the advice and communication coming, it IS helping.

Well, since you've studied a lot of scientology, it seems likely you've had experience using it too. So the simple answer is continue to use the stuff that you find makes sense to YOU and which works for YOU. By all means read other authors and look at other viewpoints. Try & test new things.

Don't believe in a piece of tech simply because "it's scientology" or because "Ron is source". Don't believe in anything based on the claims of any external authority. Just make your own decisions based on your own understanding & experiences and whatever happens you'll ultimately find you are content with the choices you made based on the reasons you had.

Additionally, if applicable, get over any "need to be right" that may persist. It's "okay to be wrong", too. :)


Mark A. Baker

[namaste]

Please keep the advice and communication coming, it IS helping.

Yes. All good advice. :)

Indeed what you resist persists. Lionheart is right on the money as usual.

I would just like to add one thing at this time and maybe more later if I think it can be of help. Something I have learned and realized recently as I too am on a journey to better my own conditions. I don't offer this as something that will solve your problems all of a sudden; just something that may, hopefully, put you a little bit more at ease as you make the changes.
You see, what you seek is also seeking you. It is not so much to seek what you want, but to allow it to find you.

The 12 Principles of Karma. (http://www.hairfield.com/books.htm)]

You can be assured that the conditions that you desire for yourself are available to you and are well within your reach (in fact you already have it) and it has been that way since long before Scientology came along.
If it were not so, then you wouldn't even have the desire for it.

[Lohan2008]

:thumbsup: :goodjob:

[Operating DB]

After 13 years, I still do nerve assists.



What is a nerve assist? When is it done and how is it done? When I was in scn (1975-1984) I only knew of contact and touch assists. When did this nerve assist thing come into being?

[Operating DB]

18) Return to Step 1.

You forgot the all-important loop.

(17.5) Retread the whole bridge starting with the Comm Course.

[Type4_PTS]

What is a nerve assist? When is it done and how is it done? When I was in scn (1975-1984) I only knew of contact and touch assists. When did this nerve assist thing come into being?

Here is a link for the procedure on a nerve assist. http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH6_5.HTM
I've done about 15 of them and have gotten very good results with them. I doubt it is something that Hubbard developed himself. Probably he "borrowed" it from someone else and never acknowledged the real source.
Anybody out there who knows the true source of this?

[olska]

Regarding depression and suicide:

A quick Google search of "suicide support groups" turned up this site with links to suicide support groups in every state of the USA, so it's likely you could find one near you if you are interested, find out when they meet, etc.

On the website www.Suicide.org there are many choices including one on "Depression and Suicide," and another choice offering online support.

I do know this about "grassroots" support groups: they are generally composed of people from a wide variety of lifestyles and socio-economic circumtances who have in common some "issues" and experiences. While some members have been involved longer and thus have some wisdom acquired from that involvement, usually no one is the "authority" over others -- it's generally people helping each other as best they can by sharing stories, experience, strength, hope, references, and resources.

After scientology, for about a year I participated regularly and often in a support group that dealt with an issue very personal to me. It was a life-changing experience, helped me find my way to healing and health, cost no more than what I paid for a couple of books and the few dollars I contributed over many meetings for the rent of the room and coffee.

No one hit me up for money I didn't have or pressured me to buy books, courses, or expensive counseling sessions. I received much love and support from caring strangers, and was soon able to give the same to others.

There is of course no obligation to simply go and explore this site and see if there is anything on there that might be useful to you.

Again, good luck to you!

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-support-groups.html

[at3ist]

You're already doing that, you're thinking outside the Church and thats really all you need.

You also NEED to replace Scientology for something, Going cold turkey is not a good thing to do. (It will only backfire) And thats what you're really asking i guess.

Being a Scientologist You'll probably find difficult to go for professional help, like a psychologist or something like that. But Its OK, you don't really need to.

So try this (feel free to delete the links if this is not allowed)

http://www.sedona.com (Good stuff)

http://www.stresscenter.com/mwc/the-program (Excellent for the state that you're in)

Those program are both great

Sedona Method being a tool for releasing unwanted emotion, and the second one a step by step for feeling good about yourself, From Specific Dietary changes that will help you more than Being an actual OT, Exersices that will make you feel like god must feel when he is on a good day (A little bit of hype, but thrust me this program is good). And If you search good on the net you can find them for free :wink2: .

Hey I really hope you use some REAL tools to help yourself. And stop doing what you're actually doing since apparently is not working, and theres testimonies that say it will not work in the future. So use those tools.

And read some Guerrilla Ontology, It will make you good for letting go old belief systems.

[fishdaddy]

My 2 cents:

Stop thinking you "need a solution."

Scientology indoctrinates you into the mindset that there is ALWAYS something wrong with you needing solving. You are taught to introvert - "it's my case," "it's my reactive mind," "it's my past lives," "it's my BTs and Clusters," and so on, on and on. Always something you need to handle. Always something wrong with you. How else can you sell auditing?

So you get depressed? So what? Everybody does occasionally. Even Scientologists. Even OTs. Even Hubbard. Don't obsess about it. Don't worry about it. Don't introvert. It will pass. Relax. Do something you enjoy.

[Smilla]

Look around outside scientology for solutions. As you find some good advice and/or techniques that replace scientology, your dependence on scientology will gradually (or perhaps very quickly) lessen.

The "self-help" section in your local bookstore (or a search on internet bookstore) is a good place to start. Used bookstores are a wonderful inexpensive resource. Pick something that "indicates" to you and begin -- it won't cost much and you won't get unwanted mail or calls! Some self-help books are just "cheerleading" type advice, but some have useful worksheets.

If the problem in your life is greater than you can deal with alone with self-help materials as a resource, then seek counseling from people who specialize in your particular problem -- such as, financial counseling for financial problems, marriage counseling for relationship problems, "life coach" for general problems, etc.

Or, if you don't mind making your problem "public," ask for help right here in this on-line support group! Probably many of us have experienced something similar to what you're going through, and you might be pleasantly surprised how helpful people here can be.

Good luck to you!

You said all that I would have said, so thank you for saying it. Smilla.

[Free to shine]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

I think Lionheart hits the nail on the head when he says: "Let's take "depression" as an example. The scientology "solution" is to fix it, handle it, process it, to remove it. This is a "scientology can fix that" attitude to "depression".

We can emerge from scientology with a feeling of failure for not having attained those wonderful and lofty goals of 'eternal freedom and happiness'. The thing is that life is full of ups and downs, this is actually how we learn and grow, it's not necessarily a bad thing! Some of the most gifted teachers and healers have faced intense challenges in life, including depression, and it is the very experience of going through it that also can bring wisdom.

The way I stopped thinking of scientology as a solution was to monitor my reaction to a situation, and then note what jargon automatically popped in, and then translate that jargon into English. The process of doing that is amazing as you really being to look at the situation you are trying to explain to yourself. The jargon is a short circuit so to speak, it does not allow for critical thinking. For example - "I feel sick - I must be PTS - I need ethics handling etc" Looking at the jargon you realise that no-one else was involved, you were stressed from working too hard and can resolve to look after yourself better.

It's hard to believe that there are other forms of help and guidance than scientology, the truth is that it is all out here. We just need to find the one that is appropriate for us individually and that can take a bit of work...well worth it!

:)

[FinallyFree]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

This was a big problem for me also. You have to look and find your own solution. That's the tough part. Trusting not others who are tyring to help you but trusting yourself to make the right choice.

You can do it. I won't say it is easy though.

I found my solutions in therapy. That's just what I did. It worked for me.

[Disinfected]

"I'm not upset that you misquoted Nietzsche. I'm upset that from now on I can't believe your Nietzsche quotes." - Peter Feld

Apparently this site (http://peterfeld.tumblr.com/post/70200626/im-not-upset-that-you-misquoted-nietzsche-im-upset) has debunked my quote as bring genuine Nietzsche. Oh well, it still communicates the thought.

[Rmack]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

Get down on your knees and beg God to have mercy on your wretched soul.

Hey, you asked for my opinion.



.

[programmer_guy]

Get down on your knees and beg God to have mercy on your wretched soul.


This is assuming that the God of the Bible is real.

If your current relationship with a wife is partly grounded in agreement on Christianity then you will never be open to criticism of the Bible or Christianity. I understand that.

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

My 2 cents:

Stop thinking you "need a solution."

Scientology indoctrinates you into the mindset that there is ALWAYS something wrong with you needing solving. You are taught to introvert - "it's my case," "it's my reactive mind," "it's my past lives," "it's my BTs and Clusters," and so on, on and on. Always something you need to handle. Always something wrong with you. How else can you sell auditing?

So you get depressed? So what? Everybody does occasionally. Even Scientologists. Even OTs. Even Hubbard. Don't obsess about it. Don't worry about it. Don't introvert. It will pass. Relax. Do something you enjoy.

^^^^^^^^
What he said. One of my yoga teachers recommends (whenever something happens that's potentially upsetting) just saying to yourself, "This too I can include." Then just relax your face, and breathe through it.

How long have you been out anyway? I think it's part of the "bridge" out of scientology to wallow in the loss of the stable datum for a while. Don't fight it. It's a loss -- to have constructed your whole life around this data and then all of a sudden it's proven to be unreliable.

I know I found out why "other practices" are frowned upon in scientology. It's because you might find out that all the data in scientology can be found elsewhere. And that it wasn't invented by ron.

So look around. Relax. Breathe. Eat. Sleep. Laugh. Live. You're free now.

Lynn

[degraded being]

I think people here don't want to recommend any particular system or practice because we all know what that did to us in the past. But there are good and not so good practises that need only the downloading of a book etc. One of them is the Sedona Method. I have used it. Didn't even buy a book although one day I may get the hard copy. No group is necessary, (although some may do that). It's just a very easy thing to do at the time you actually feel stressed, uncomfortable or depressed.

And "Idenics" gets good reports from some people here. I have not tried it myself but am impressed by the apparent lack of any effort to trap you or get you on any sort of merry go round. Budddhist philosophy has some very good principles that can help in developing the ability to diminish conflict or suffering by conditions you find yourself in.

It's good just browsing these things if you feel inclined.
There are probably dozens of others.

[jase12321]

maybe you think about Scientology tech as a solution because it IS a solution. . .

[British Mom]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

Disinfected

I think it takes a while to get over thinking that Sceitnology is the solution, it took me a while. I started to read other books ie: The Power of Now & The Secret really helped me. Even now when something happens to me, a Scientology solution will come to mind, but I dismiss it & tell myself I dont need that shit. :thumbsup: I have been out now for 14 years :yes: & I thank my lucky stars, every day, that I am out of it:yes: Oh also I pray.

[Good twin]

maybe you think about Scientology tech as a solution because it IS a solution. . .

:hysterical:

[Krautfag]

My 2 cents:

Stop thinking you "need a solution."

Scientology indoctrinates you into the mindset that there is ALWAYS something wrong with you needing solving. You are taught to introvert - "it's my case," "it's my reactive mind," "it's my past lives," "it's my BTs and Clusters," and so on, on and on. Always something you need to handle. Always something wrong with you. How else can you sell auditing?

So you get depressed? So what? Everybody does occasionally. Even Scientologists. Even OTs. Even Hubbard. Don't obsess about it. Don't worry about it. Don't introvert. It will pass. Relax. Do something you enjoy.

Being a lifelong wog, I really have to say: THAT IS SOME EXCELLENT ADVISE!

[Carmel]

maybe you think about Scientology tech as a solution because it IS a solution. . .
That is BS and you know it.

Right now, I have a 17 year old girl on my mind. I was at her birth. She's a Class V Org staff member. Her parents are zealots (high profile in the field) and she's not really in comm with them. They have no idea what she is going through. She's attempted suicide twice. Her only "terminals" are Scientologists, and most of them are staff members who tell her to knock off the case on post.

A few of us here who are now "out" are desperate to find someone who could 'reach' her. She won't/can't talk to us for obvious reasons. She's only ever known Scn, and in her world she can't go outside of it for help. Trouble is though, these days there aren't any Scn terminals that she can go to for help.

What is Scientology doing for her today? What did Scn do for her when she was growing up? - Aaagggghhhhh, I saw the crap her parents ran on her and her sibblings when she was a littlie, and I always feared for her future. That future is now happening, and it's horrid.

Scn/the CofS has caused it, and now they are preventing her from dealing with her troubles, that they caused. The individual means fuck nothing to the vast majority within the CofS. This girl is only seventeen, she is as troubled as all fuck and has no counsel because she's lost trust in herself and the only ones she looks up to are the Scientologists who are telling her to knock off the case.

If I was still "in", I'm sure I could audit her and give her some relief. I could then support her and help her. I don't have that opportunity though, and because she's a staff member, no-one gives a fuck about her, just like they don't give a fuck about any individual who has a post and is not coping. That which works in Scn, is not applied to its own.

So NO, Scientology is not the solution......it is absolutely what has caused the problem in the first place, and it is the reason why this girl can't get the help that she needs today.

Scn a solution? It could may well have been, but it became the problem, and a long time ago now.

[fortymarriedandbalding]

My 2 cents:

Stop thinking you "need a solution."

Scientology indoctrinates you into the mindset that there is ALWAYS something wrong with you needing solving. You are taught to introvert - "it's my case," "it's my reactive mind," "it's my past lives," "it's my BTs and Clusters," and so on, on and on. Always something you need to handle. Always something wrong with you. How else can you sell auditing?

So you get depressed? So what? Everybody does occasionally. Even Scientologists. Even OTs. Even Hubbard. Don't obsess about it. Don't worry about it. Don't introvert. It will pass. Relax. Do something you enjoy.


I think this is good advice for many people.

Once you are feeling better concentrate on making small steps to improve your life. That job thing may be a great start.


If, however, your depression is severe or persistent, it is not so good advice. Despite what you have been told over the years, your first point of call in cases of severe or persistent depression should be your Family Doctor.

Make sure that he or she discusses a variety of treatment options with you and involves you in the process.


Best wishes


FMB

[HelluvaHoax!]

That is BS and you know it. Right now, I have a 17 year old girl on my mind. I was at her birth. She's a Class V Org staff member. Her parents are zealots (high profile in the field) and she's not really in comm with them. They have no idea what she is going through. She's attempted suicide twice. Her only "terminals" are Scientologists, and most of them are staff members who tell her to knock off the case on post.A few of us here who are now "out" are desperate to find someone who could 'reach' her. She won't/can't talk to us for obvious reasons. She's only ever known Scn, and in her world she can't go outside of it for help. Trouble is though, these days there aren't any Scn terminals that she can go to for help. What is Scientology doing for her today? What did Scn do for her when she was growing up? - Aaagggghhhhh, I saw the crap her parents ran on her and her sibblings when she was a littlie, and I always feared for her future. That future is now happening, and it's horrid.Scn/the CofS has caused it, and now they are preventing her from dealing with her troubles, that they caused. The individual means fuck nothing to the vast majority within the CofS. This girl is only seventeen, she is as troubled as all fuck and has no counsel because she's lost trust in herself and the only ones she looks up to are the Scientologists who are telling her to knock off the case. If I was still "in", I'm sure I could audit her and give her some relief. I could then support her and help her. I don't have that opportunity though, and because she's a staff member, no-one gives a fuck about her, just like they don't give a fuck about any individual who has a post and is not coping. That which works in Scn, is not applied to its own. So NO, Scientology is not the solution......it is absolutely what has caused the problem in the first place, and it is the reason why this girl can't get the help that she needs today.Scn a solution? It could may well have been, but it became the problem, and a long time ago now.

A tragic development for such a young person! I truly hope some event(s) trigger a spark of rebellion and free thought in that young woman.I remember being in the S.O. around the same age and not being an obedient little robot. I was handled in session for "continually committing present time overts". We did the L&N "WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PREVENT" and the LFBD FN item was "Enturbulation from Scientology!"

The item was indicated but it should have been handled! lol. I did the "handling" years later by getting the hell out of that madhouse.

But...for those who are hoping that Scn will fix what ails them...it is ludicrous to be:

* "cared for" by the careless.
* ordered to take full responsibility by the irresponsible.
* told to come uptone by the downtone
* sold your freedom by slaves who cannot afford their own

I still have some family in Noah's Ark to Total Freedom, so I am watching these kinds of things very intently, always pushing for the inmates to escape.

It is utter madness when a person with real problems is being handled by the party that caused them. Why not get rape counseling from the rapist?

Final thoughts on the workability of the tech in a life and death situation:

TOM CRUISE: "This is the session. We are the authorities on the human mind!"

PC: "I am severely depressed and tried to kill myself"

TOM CRUISE: "KNOCK IT OFF!!"

PC: "That's it??? That's the handling?!!"

TOM CRUISE: (silently grinning as he studies the meter, waiting for the F/N)

[GreyWolf]

maybe you think about Scientology tech as a solution because it IS a solution. . .

:roflmao: I am taking this as the joke that I am sure that it is meant to be.

[jase12321]

:wink2:

[Disinfected]

* "cared for" by the careless.
* ordered to take full responsibility by the irresponsible.
* told to come uptone by the downtone
* sold your freedom by slaves who cannot afford their own


I have a weakness for little nuggets like this :)

[Carmel]

:roflmao: I am taking this as the joke that I am sure that it is meant to be.
If you were up to speed with Jase's posts on this board, I don't think that you'd find it so.

[at3ist]

What about sedona method. Why nobody talks about sedona method. :thumbsup:

And the fact that you think you're using Scientology Tech, But in reality you're using Tech that LRH borrowed from other sources, so in reality you're not even using Scientology but squirreled Psychotherapy with a twist of misunderstood Magick. If you really want to use Scientology you better start enslaving people in order to fulfill your desires.

[jase12321]

If you were up to speed with Jase's posts on this board, I don't think that you'd find it so.

:grouch: ooh, watchout, she's on the verge of bursting a bubble. . . . or a blood vessel. . .

[FinallyFree]

:grouch: ooh, watchout, she's on the verge of bursting a bubble. . . . or a blood vessel. . .

:dontfeedtrolls:

[Iknowtoomuch]

:grouch: ooh, watchout, she's on the verge of bursting a bubble. . . . or a blood vessel. . .



Can you answer her post about the 17 year old.

[MAX YOUR CREDIT]

Here are the answers to all your problems.

1) Buy the Basics for $3500 and give them to your local library.
2) Give all your money to the IAS to fight imagined enemies
3) Go into debt and buy more auditing
4) Clear every word in the English language
5) Go on course 15 hours a day
6) Join staff and work for free for 5 years
7) Join the sea org and work for free for one billion years
8) Buy 1000 "way to happinsess pamhlets" and send them to Uganda where they can't read English
9) Donate $4200 for a cast iron bust of LRH
10) Disconnect from anyone that doesn't agree with you
11) Relabel your opinion as "certainty" and always be right by acting that you don't have to be right.
12) Confront your e-meter for 2 hours
13) Go to Flag as everything gets solved at Flag
14) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
15) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
16) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag
17) If that doesn't work go back to Flag becasue everything gets solved at Flag

Much "Love"
:giggle:

[Krautfag]

:grouch: ooh, watchout, she's on the verge of bursting a bubble. . . . or a blood vessel. . .

Unsuccessful angry troll is angry.

[uniquemand]

I consider the best way to stop thinking about something you have been trained to think is the solution is to review the policies that set it up as a solution, and times when you agreed with this. Rehabilitate any questions or doubts you had, first coming in, and review what was done to cause you to cease thinking about those things, and just fall into line with "Tech is solution".

In my own personal world, I've found that there were times when "tech" was the solution, and times where it wasn't. It's been a long process of determining wheat from chaff, and has been very productive, for me. Not everyone has the patience or willingness to do that, and many will throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Disinfected]

And the fact that you think you're using Scientology Tech, But in reality you're using Tech that LRH borrowed from other sources, so in reality you're not even using Scientology but squirreled Psychotherapy with a twist of misunderstood Magick. If you really want to use Scientology you better start enslaving people in order to fulfill your desires.

I take it that you are not an ex-Scientologist?

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

maybe you think about Scientology tech as a solution because it IS a solution. . .

In Scientology, a "solution" is something that eventually becomes a problem. :) You're supposed to "as-is" it, not "solve" it.

Lynn

[at3ist]

That was not the juicy part from my post, don't focus on the nonsense.

A good response would be "Sedona, Really, tell me more"

Post a real problem and its "Scientology solution" and I will show you how you're not really addressing the problem.

[Disinfected]

That was not the juicy part from my post, don't focus on the nonsense.

A good response would be "Sedona, Really, tell me more"

Post a real problem and its "Scientology solution" and I will show you how you're not really addressing the problem.

I think someone else also mentioned Sedona. Trust me, I will consider everything offered here.

Re your challenge? I pass.

[Type4_PTS]

I think it's part of the "bridge" out of scientology to wallow in the loss of the stable datum for a while. Don't fight it. It's a loss -- to have constructed your whole life around this data and then all of a sudden it's proven to be unreliable.


That is so true, well for ME it was. When I realized that my stable datum was all BS that was tough to deal with.

[at3ist]

Trust me, I will consider everything offered here.

Thats all I wanted to hear

And about my challenge I was just bluffing :wink2:

[Wisened One]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (source disputed (http://peterfeld.tumblr.com/post/70200626/im-not-upset-that-you-misquoted-nietzsche-im-upset))

Disinfected


Yeah, it took me a LONG while to stop thinking that way, too. Sometimes, it STILL hurts. I mean, I had sunk so much of my being and soul into studying and applying this entire philosophy that you can use in EVERY aspect of your life...that when we *left* it (hubby and I left Staff together in 1995, then also *left* in every other way in 2004), it took A LOT of time, thought, reading other authors, etc to finally set our minds back on straight.

Other things that I personally felt I had to do: burn several of our scn books, sell the rest, post and read online.

Sometimes stupid lines still pop into my head: 'Production is the basis of Morale' 'Do it now' 'The speed of particle flow alone, determines power' things like this...:grouch:

And NOT that some of those datums may not be true in and of themselves..but the fact that they were learned while in scn and barked and crammed down my throat constantly as Staff didn't help.....:eyeroll:

I wish you luck! Reading and posting helps. krc/arc and all that (ugh! THAT one too!) I still got work to do, as you can see! :duh:

[Good twin]

I agree with Michelle. I also think this is an important subject. As soon as I read the OP I thought "If Alanzo were here, he would have something brilliant to say". But as we all know he has moved on to the great beyond.

I think we all struggle with this to greater and lesser degrees. I had a hard time sorting out my "cult think" from my "free think" for quite awhile. I still do to some degree. Part of what helped me, besides everything the others have said, was to reconnect with my precult self. I actually went looking for my reactive mind and found some parts of it and embraced what I could find as my own true identity. I found that much of what I had thrown out when I "went clear" was well worth keeping.

Being disinfected is a good place to start for sure. :yes:

Good luck with the rest. :coolwink:

[Hatshepsut]

#1 11th October 2009, 01:38 PM
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How do you stop thinking of Scientology tech as a solution?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?


That is a common dilemma Disinfected.

I also had to go looking for my old self when I first left. I went and got on a plane and did a locational in Cleveland where I grew up. I needed to rehab the ME that I was before I encountered Scientology. It had oddly weakened my ability to hold a position in space and something blanketed me. This was a reversal of how I meant things to be. The tech was always my solution, and I was still efforting to fix myself with it.:unsure: But Truth is truth. Scientology tech had enabled me to fit into concise brackets feelings I had had. I used it to fight back at it. At first I invalidated myself for thinking with the tech always. :duh: I could not break the habit very fast. :no: I scouted for the point where I was last really ME...the point before I started using the Scientology identity. (Now that's a heavy, and this theme can repeat itself through your cycles of life, but I found the last point where this occured regarding Scientology.) I thank my stars for this board because we have been engrained to think we should not have a viewpoint that would make another wrong. It would be wrong to be right is the insidious computation. You have to remember you granted that group the beingness to cause effects in you. Actually when you received an auditing session you opened up your space and consented to allowing changes in shifting your internal matrixes. Now THAT"S a lot of power to give someone. You granted the group that much beingness. And granting beingness is an ability. :yes: It might take you a little time to disentangle from the group theta body. But you are not a theta body. You are YOU.

[olska]

... I thank my stars for this board because we have been engrained to think we should not have a viewpoint that would make another wrong. It would be wrong to be right is the insidious computation.

Thank you for that! Another layer of the onion dissolved.

[lionheart]

I think someone else also mentioned Sedona. Trust me, I will consider everything offered here.


I use the Sedona Method for releasing feelings and emotions. Much easier than scientology and very effective.

My earlier advice to allow or hold onto the feelings are adaptations of the Sedona Method.

Basically it is superior to scn tech because rather than "fixing" feelings which Scn is focussed on doing, the Sedona Method emphasises allowing feelings.

You can do it yourself after simply looking at the techniques, which are all simple and explained in one book.

I sometimes give free telephone coaching on the main techniques so that you quickly learn to do them yourself.

Just let me know if you want any help. Or get the Sedona Method book from Amazon.

Also there has been other great advice on here. Stopping using the scn terminology is one of the most effective ways of letting go of the Scn indoctrination. When you find yourself using scn terminology to explain anything, simply rephrase it in ordinary english words.

The scn terminology is part of the mind-warp. (See Newspeak in Orwell's book 1984 for details of how new terminology is used to control thinking and behaviour. - this was one of the tricks that Ron pulled on you - he invented new words or meanings to short circuit your critical thinking and to get you to view life in scientology packages)

[Operating DB]

Great thread! Reading this thread something came to mind the day I blew once and for all on January 1, 1985) . I was scheduled to be on course at 9am or was it 9:30am? It's been so long I can't even remember the course room schedule! I spent the whole day away from my apartment because I didn't want to be there in case someone from the org called and my roommate answered the phone. I needed the day away from all the insanity and to be by myself. While having breakfast in a restaurant I watched the clock hit 9:30 and tears came to my eyes. But I got over it soon enough. After that I went to visit my sister and her kids. After that I went to visit a camera store. While on my way I went through several neighborhood streets noticing house after house. The thoughts going through my head were that NONE of the people in these countless houses and those beyond in all the countless neighborhoods across the state or nation or world are into or perhaps have heard of scientology (except maybe one or two, lol). Talk about doing an Objective Process! I realized how insignificant scientology is. Just as one does the overpriced Sunshine Rundown after attesting Clear (what an ARCX! It should be a free service!)) or OTI (another overpriced objective) I got an inadvertent objective process the day I blew the cult! This my was first positive step the day I left the cult.

I propose as a first "process" for those leaving the cult:
"Walk around and spot a non-scientologist." Repeat until.....you get the idea!

[lionheart]

Great thread! Reading this thread something came to mind the day I blew once and for all on January 1, 1985) . I was scheduled to be on course at 9am or was it 9:30am? It's been so long I can't even remember the course room schedule! I spent the whole day away from my apartment because I didn't want to be there in case someone from the org called and my roommate answered the phone. I needed the day away from all the insanity and to be by myself. While having breakfast in a restaurant I watched the clock hit 9:30 and tears came to my eyes. But I got over it soon enough. After that I went to visit my sister and her kids. After that I went to visit a camera store. While on my way I went through several neighborhood streets noticing house after house. The thoughts going through my head were that NONE of the people in these countless houses and those beyond in all the countless neighborhoods across the state or nation or world are into or perhaps have heard of scientology (except maybe one or two, lol). Talk about doing an Objective Process! I realized how insignificant scientology is. Just as one does the overpriced Sunshine Rundown after attesting Clear (what an ARCX! It should be a free service!)) or OTI (another overpriced objective) I got an inadvertent objective process the day I blew the cult! This my was first positive step the day I left the cult.

I propose as a first "process" for those leaving the cult:
"Walk around and spot a non-scientologist." Repeat until.....you get the idea!

What a great idea! :thumbsup:

When protesting and seeing old friends from the 70's still "clearing the planet" I often wondered how they hadn't spotted the lack of success over all those years!

[Mark A. Baker]

I propose as a first "process" for those leaving the cult:
"Walk around and spot a non-scientologist." Repeat until.....you get the idea!

I agree it is a good idea, as well as a useful bit of scientology tech. :)


Mark A. Baker

[nozeno]

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[Type4_PTS]

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I was just going to type something but forgot why I'm here. :confused2:

[KnightVision]

I agree it is a good idea, as well as a useful bit of scientology tech. :)


Mark A. Baker

I had bet myself that you'd show up on this point to pontificate 'command intention'. I love the predictability.

[He-man]

On the subject that this is a "recovery board", I have a problem.

How do I stop thinking that Scientology is a solution?

If I have a problem in my personal life that I am not coping well with then I tend to wish that Scientology were a resource for me. I mean organized Scientology. I kinda wish that I could trust my org and go in there and get some help. But I cannot trust - the trust is irrevocably broken.

"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (source disputed (http://peterfeld.tumblr.com/post/70200626/im-not-upset-that-you-misquoted-nietzsche-im-upset))
Disinfected

I wish I had something smart and snappy to write about this because this was also a big problem to me. When I was a scientologist, I could always talk to my Mum about things, or one of my SO friends when I was there. After I left, It took me along time to find everyday counseling.
What worked for me, was to get friends. Socialize, go join a club, find people interested in the same things you are. Somewhere along the way, you will find some golden nuggets, you know, true friends. I did. It took me a couple of years but it was well worth the effort. True friends to rely on and that can rely on you.
I don´t need to rely on scientology for my answers, if I have a problem or if somethings bugging me, I know who to call.

[apple]

What a great idea! :thumbsup:

When protesting and seeing old friends from the 70's still "clearing the planet" I often wondered how they hadn't spotted the lack of success over all those years!

So true and sadly funny.

[uniquemand]

Hey, just so you know, Disinfected, while I understand your lack of trust of the orgs, you still could avail yourself of training in the freezone (and I mean really free: as in NO MONEY), by going to the Road to Clear (http://www.freezoneearth.org/Clearbird/Clearbird2004/index.htm) website with a friend you DO trust, and "read it, drill it, do it" regarding whatever you feel is the correct action. If you have questions, post them here. Many people will tell you to stay away from scientology processes completely. I believe that many of the processes in scientology are quite effective and helpful, so I'm not one of those people. Done outside the orgs, and with a friend, these things are goldmines. Best of luck.

[justaguy]

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Flowers die and babies cry and that is instinct too. I can provide plenty of examples where instinct perhaps leads to some very grisly and undesirable consequences. I'll spare you the imagery.

Thanks but I really can't "think with" that one.

Though I will acknowledge that I should perhaps try.

Scientology will lead you to think that there is a single solution to every problem, that life can be divvied up into problems that scientology can then solve.

It's important to get out of this mindset altogether. Life is life. Do your best at it, because that's all you're ever gonna do.

Try to find whatever way works for you to relax. I always make my best decisions when I'm chill.

Even more important: depression and suicidal ideation are often accompanied by an excess of introversion. If you have feelings of worthlessness, turn them to your advantage. If you're not worth much, then it's certainly not worth your time to think about yourself. Depressed people have an overwhelming tendency to ruminate, to think on things, to wonder who they are, what they should do, why they are here, what people think of them, etc.

If that's you, then I suggest dropping it. That sounds easier said than done, but I'll provide an example.


I teach math a lot. My students have problems with test anxiety, and one of the things I tell them is: "If you're taking a test, and worrying about it while you're taking it, then you're multitasking. Part of you is worrying, and part of you is taking the test. Studies show that people perform worse when multitasking, so do one thing at a time. Either worry about the test, or think about the problems." (I usually suggest the latter.)

It's something like that. Trying to live life while ruminating about it is multitasking. Live life or think about it (yourself, whatever). I suggest that instead of thinking about life, you do life. For example, you've stated that you're not going to commit suicide, so don't spend too much time thinking about it. Some suicidal ideation is normal. When it comes up, recognize it as a reaction to stress. If you're not going to follow through with it, then that's all it is, right? The point is not to spend time on it, because there's life to live.

If this doesn't apply, ignore it, but I think it might.

[Type4_PTS]

If that's you, then I suggest dropping it. That sounds easier said than done, but I'll provide an example.


Here is some tech on how to accomplish that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE


Disclaimer: My intent is'nt to make light of anyones depression. I've dealt with it myself and know it's difficult. Just could'nt resist putting this video up here.

[InitiateDoubt]

Okay, so I was too lazy to read all 9 pages of the thread. Sorry if I'm restating things.

What you need to do is rebuild your social network.

Surround yourself with people all over again. I know it's easier said than done, believe me. I am still trying to cope with that idea because when things happen, from being upset over something pointless to simply being happy and wanting to share that, I feel like I have no one to go to anymore. This is because my connections with many friends seemed to slip away during the time that I was with my ex and involved in Scientology.

I was only in for about a year, so it is possible to reestablish those connections for me, and I have realized that there are people out there that will be there to listen to me and who can connect with me, but I understand that it is hard to start from scratch.

I found that, if nothing else, internet pals can provide people to talk to and feel connected to while you build up your social network in the real world, especially when you want to discuss the problems of Scientology that seem irrelevant to the lives of many in the outside world.

Also, if you are in total distress, know that counselors are not the evil people Scientology makes them out to be. There's good people. There's bad people. There are people who are good at what they do and those that are not so good. Don't make snap judgments about a group of people based on a few experiences. You might find someone that can help you.

But yes, build your social network. Don't be trapped within yourself or within the constant thoughts of Scientology.
(also, with a lot of this I need to take my own advice. So I know very well that this is easier said than done. Still, try.)