CoS Scns to Protest DM at Next Event???

[KnightVision]

Wouldn't it be great to see CoS Scns get up and stand down DM at the next event?

Just how long will they sit still and remain silent about the empty Idle Orgs?


Is 'being at cause' a lost notion for them?

[Doom]

All I can say is I would love to see DM protested at his own ego feeding PR BS events or even better heckled by the crowd. that would be a big lol for me, to watch him cave in on himself (blackhole style).

[Pooks]

LOL. Threads like this will make DM even more paranoid.

[GoNuclear]

In the event that DM received a mass heckling, that would be the end of his reign. He would flip out, it would be everybody elses fault, and, he might go so far with his antics that even at the Int base the spell would finally be broken, the guards would lock his ass up. That would be the end.

Is it possible for that to happen? Anything is possible, but not bloody likely. A heckler at one of those events would be instantly declared. If someone is at one of those events, he probably is someone that finds it important to remain in good standing with Cof$. NOBODY WOULD WANT TO BE FIRST TO HECKLE. If someone were to infiltrate an event for heckling purposes tho ... if there exists enough pent up animosity, just a few people willing to be first may do the trick. Remember, tyrants tend to not do so well with ridicule.

Pete

[Kookaburra]

In the event that DM received a mass heckling, that would be the end of his reign. He would flip out, it would be everybody elses fault, and, he might go so far with his antics that even at the Int base the spell would finally be broken, the guards would lock his ass up. That would be the end.

Is it possible for that to happen? Anything is possible, but not bloody likely. A heckler at one of those events would be instantly declared. If someone is at one of those events, he probably is someone that finds it important to remain in good standing with Cof$. NOBODY WOULD WANT TO BE FIRST TO HECKLE. If someone were to infiltrate an event for heckling purposes tho ... if there exists enough pent up animosity, just a few people willing to be first may do the trick. Remember, tyrants tend to not do so well with ridicule.

Pete

Are you volunteering?

I think DM's thugs would jump on the first heckler with such ferocity that no-one would ever dare to even contemplate it again.

Head on a pike tech.

[Smilla]

It will happen. Sooner or later.

[Zinjifar]

Davey would still have control of the money. And, control of the money is control of Scientology. Sure, control of the mind is there too, but, the money's the 'real' control. Anyone who 'locked up' Davey would be arrested. Unlike a banana republic where the 'government' is the law unto itself and can therefore be replaced by force, Scientology actually exists in the Wog World.

Zinj

[Good twin]

Davey would still have control of the money. And, control of the money is control of Scientology. Sure, control of the mind is there too, but, the money's the 'real' control. Anyone who 'locked up' Davey would be arrested. Unlike a banana republic where the 'government' is the law unto itself and can therefore be replaced by force, Scientology actually exists in the Wog World.

Zinj

Oh My God. I really got this Zinj. "Scientology actually exists in the Wog World". This is a concept that Scientologists don't get, can't get and will be victimized by. This is why Rex Fowler can become a DB overnight and his wife and family will be proud that he protected the church. This is why Scientologist can say that suicide is sometimes the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics. This is why Scientologists don't see telling an acceptable truth as wrong.

Scientologists operate on the concept that the Wog World is unimportant and Scientology is operating in it's own universe. But this is a HUGE misconception. It's like telling a Scientologist that the laws of physics are just as true as the theta mest theory. They won't and can't get it. However just as in the laws of the physical sciences, Scientologists are still subject to the basic truths of the Wog World.

Oh My God. The world is NOT flat!!!!:omg:

[minnie]

Clusters (pardon the pun) of scios simply leaving/walking out at different points in the event would have a big impact, and would be more confrontable to carry out IMO, and less likely to result in some sort of stormtrooper-style response on the public from OSA/Security thugs. Gutsier scios who can see the end is near for DM anyhow and thus may not care about threatened disconnection etc, on their way out could yell out "bullshit" or something... :confused2: :D No matter how a mutiny is carried out, it is still a mutiny. :happydance:

[KnightVision]

Davey would still have control of the money. And, control of the money is control of Scientology. Sure, control of the mind is there too, but, the money's the 'real' control. Anyone who 'locked up' Davey would be arrested. Unlike a banana republic where the 'government' is the law unto itself and can therefore be replaced by force, Scientology actually exists in the Wog World.

Zinj

Very well said! Yet, let us not forget that Davey took control of Scn by force.

But as you say, that force was backed up by 'suit cases full of cash'... i.e. the regularly delivered 'cash donations' to Lron while in hiding...

[uniquemand]

I love the idea of Miscavige facing a group of scios who developed a backbone. However, it's much more likely that the cowards will continue using jellyfish tech.

[byte301]

Well if they ever grow some I have a huge box of rotten tomatoes ready to go. I will gladly send them to anyone with cojones enough to throw them at the next event. :D

[TG1]

It's doubtful the physical security at these big events would allow entrance by anyone into the hall where DM is speaking who isn't a proven loyalist. Anybody really likely to protest probably wouldn't get in.

However, I do fantasize about critics / anons / FZers / Indies hijacking the video and audio technology of the event and showing alternative video / slides / narration of what the REAL scene is inside the CoS. I fantasize that Heber, Debbie Cook, and a lots of OTs (known to those inside the hall) would tell it like it is.

This new version of the truth would be acceptable enough to the audience that they'd stand up and scream WTF and basically tear the house down!

Ahhhh ... now that would make a great next-to-the-last scene in a movie I'd love to see made one day.

And afterward, everyone would go their own way, as they saw fit, as they wanted.

That's my fantasy. Or one of them, anyway.

[uniquemand]

Heber didn't tell it like it was when he wasn't in the Hall, why would he now? Niether did any of the others.

[TG1]

I have no idea if Heber will ever speak out publicly against the CoS insanity, and he's not essential to my fantasy coming true.

But a lot of things didn't happen a long time ago that have happened since.

Many successful revolutions have occurred after a lot of unsuccessful revolutionary attempts -- which were necessary precursors to the final successful uprising.

Drip, drip, drip ....

[AnonKat]

Heber didn't tell it like it was when he wasn't in the Hall, why would he now? Niether did any of the others.

Heber Jentzch is 78 and still in the RPF I think. They let Leserve out mainly because he is non threatening to the Dwarf.

People on Martys Blog report that Sea Org Members get a little more äir"now and that There was no regging at the Event leserve spoke.

My hunch is that Miscavige is on a Vacation or Miooxon talked some sense into him.

[Feral]

In a way they are showing their disapproval for DM.

Many aren't going to events or mandatory briefings.

It's the only kind of revolt you can have in Scientology, a silent one. Hubbard really set that one up and DM polished it to a totalitarian perfection, there is no other safe way to show disapproval in the cult other than to vote with your feet.

[KnightVision]

In a way they are showing their disapproval for DM.

Many aren't going to events or mandatory briefings.

Yes, I see that too. And it does speak loudly.


Yet, I believe that it will come to pass eventually that the in house Scns take a stand... it's all a matter of 'how bad does it have to get before they attempt the last ditch effort'...

When it's too late?:melodramatic:

[GoNuclear]

Yes, I see that too. And it does speak loudly.


Yet, I believe that it will come to pass eventually that the in house Scns take a stand... it's all a matter of 'how bad does it have to get before they attempt the last ditch effort'...

When it too late?:melodramatic:



If and/or when the in house Scilons decide to stand, it will definitely be time for popcorn tech while we sit and watch in amuzement tech.

Pete

[KnightVision]

If and/or when the in house Scilons decide to stand, it will definitely be time for popcorn tech while we sit and watch in amuzement tech.

Pete



That it will be!!:D

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Yes, I see that too. And it does speak loudly.

Yet, I believe that it will come to pass eventually that the in house Scns take a stand... it's all a matter of 'how bad does it have to get before they attempt the last ditch effort'...

When it too late?:melodramatic:Heh.. I've been wondering for years why that doesn't happen.. But I think 'The Independents', with Mr.Rathbun running for 'office' is that. The revolution is happening!

But it has to be much more terminatedly revolting to satisfy me. I don't believe in a better and more benign Scientology, as long as Hubbards 'blueprint' for a totalitarian nightmare is in force.

:unsure:

[Feral]

From "Leaving Scientology". link (http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/)

Just so everyone knows who cause is around here and how the cult is in no way effect of ESMB, they are, after all "straight up and vertical". So there is no way this could happen.....much.

David Miscavige is so paranoid he might finish accomplishing the exodus from Scientology that has been started recently for us. Soon he'll have hunted off even TC.



I heard a heartbreaking story the other day, one that demonstrates both the arrogance of the Church of Scientology and their growing paranoia.

It concerns a prominent Scientologist, let’s call him Dr. X. Dr X and his wife have been Scientologists in good standing for many years. While not super-rich, Dr. X has given the Church hundreds of thousands of dollars, for his own Bridge, his wife’s Bridge, and large contributions to the IAS and the Superpower Building.

His wife completed OT VIII, then was told she was “not Clear” and ordered by the C/S to redo her Bridge from the ground up. This is par for the course with OT VIIIs by the way (see “Messin’ with the VIIIs,” Parts I and II). And of course as soon as this pronouncement was made, a team of Reges – reportedly four people – descended on Dr. X to get the money for this “program.” Dr. X complied, giving them over $100,000. His wife then began auditing on NED. As one might expect, it did not go well. She ran badly on NED, but they just kept grinding away. Mrs. X began to doubt the program, doubt her C/S and doubt Scientology. She ended up in Ethics.

Along came the March 13th event, last week. Being good Scientologists, Dr. X and his wife planned to go to the live event in Clearwater. But when they arrived, they found that in order to sit in the main event space, they would have to go through security screening. That’s right, everyone sitting in the main event space, in the sainted presence of David Miscavige, had to have Ethics clearance. They had to present a numbered ticket and photo ID proving who they were.

It seems they have gotten wind of some of the internet chat amongst Scientologists talking about standing up and protesting Church abuses and mismanagement at a live event.

So Dr. and Mrs. X were not allowed to sit together at the event. She was shunted off to a special tent for people deemed to be “out-Ethics” or “Disaffected.” Second class citizens.

Can you imagine? People who are staunch Scientologists, who have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Church, who have devoted their lives to the Church, who have reached the top of the Bridge, treated like that? Disconnected right at an Int event? Forbidden to sit together? It boggles the mind.

The Church wonders why an estimated 70% of their field is now “disaffected.” They blame “the SPs.” They blame the drug companies. They blame Anonymous. They never consider that it’s their own staggering arrogance and paranoia.

Don’t worry OSA, Dr. X is still a dedicated member of the Church

How long he will remain so, I can’t say.

As an added note:

OSA’s first and only reaction to this post (and believe me, they read this) will be to attempt to find out who Dr. X is and, if they think they have found him, haul that person in for an Ethics interview and try to find out if he is connected to anyone “disaffected” and if so, force him to disconnect. In other words, the only thing it will occur to them to do is further harass their public. It will not occur to the Church to treat people with more decency or change their own behavior. A friend pointed out to me that if the Church of Scientology wished to reform, this blog actually gives them the blueprint of the exact things they would have to handle. Do I think they will ever take that viewpoint? Unfortunately, no, they never will. And that’s why I hold little hope for any real reform.

[KnightVision]

If there's a prayer in heaven... the adepts will rise and bring down the house one of these days... :)