I would like a session.

[Emma]

I'm in the mood for a bit of a session.

Anyone (only classed auditors please:melodramatic: ) willing to fly my ruds?

It will be done here..in this thread. You have the meter, you have the CLs, you have the TECH!

I want it done properly (model session) and I want it CSed too.

Any takers?

:gimmesome: :love7:

[Emma]

I'm in the mood for a bit of a session.

Anyone (only classed auditors please:melodramatic: ) willing to fly my ruds?

It will be done here..in this thread. You have the meter, you have the CLs, you have the TECH!

I want it done properly (model session) and I want it CSed too.

Any takers?

:gimmesome: :love7:

Jeez! It's just like being on staff!! Never an auditor around when you need one.

C'mon Bea! Gimme a sesh! I know you are itching to get back in the chair!

[Lee_from_phx]

Is your avatar a picture of you?

You're cute :)

[Emma]

Is your avatar a picture of you?

You're cute :)

Thanks..That's sweet. It sorta handled my ruds....but I've still got a big withhold I need to get off in session.

I'd go to ethics about it but I want it to remain "private" .

:D

Anyone??? Bea? Alanzo?

I'm dying here!

[Bea Kiddo]

Okay okay!!!

Lessee here. where's my glasses.... hmmm. Oh! There they are!!!

Now lemme get seated here. Ah, nice chair.

Okay, now lesee.... Where'd my meter go?

Oh, I left it by the door, be right back.... yeah. Sorry ... he hee....

Get that all set up then.

Now, where did I put my glasses again, ..... hmmmm... dang it, I seen them somewhere.....

Oh, on my head. yeah. he he. sorry.

meter is on. ok, its charged.

Lesee.... turn the TA, oh no!! That;s the sensitivity.. Oh, I remember now.

Yeah. Where's the pc?

Oh!!!! Hello Emma, how are you today? :D

[Emma]

About time!!!

I've been waiting out there for 1/2 hour. The reg was driving me nuts and the recruiter was crying all over my shoes..

Other than that I'm OK.

[Bea Kiddo]

VERY Nice. alright, very nice then.

And by the way, this session will be BC style, not GAT, is that alright with you then?

No drugs recently? Alcohol? Fed and rested?

(AND I AM GOING TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT NO-ONE ELSE ENTER REPLIES ONTO THIS THREAD UNTIL THE SESSION IS COMPLETE. THANK YOU!)

[Emma]

What's considered recently?

I had a great reefer a month or two ago...does that matter?

:bong:

[Bea Kiddo]

24 hours is fine for this. Sounds like you are raring to go.

Now then, lets do it.

START OF SESSION!!!

Has the session started for you then?

[Emma]

Well I'm here...and you're here.......


So I guess it has....Nice bike shorts by the way.

[Bea Kiddo]

Very good. Thank you. Alright.

Now, we are here, and I am noticing a little high TA going on here. Hmmm.... could be an overrun.... or, no session for a while.

No matter.

We are gonna see if we can't get some rudiments to fly here some way or another, and here we go....


Now, I do want to make sure that you go ahead and work with the question at hand. Now I see you mentioned an answer there.... and that will be taken into consideration. We are just gonna go ahead and start with the first question here and take it from there.

Alright.

Now, here it is:

Do you have an ARC Break?

Is there some sort of an upset here?

I got a little knock. What was that?

[Emma]

ARCX!!!!

You betcha I got an ARCX!

My boyfriend is the meanest, nasties piece of shit on the world!!

I hate him.

[Bea Kiddo]

Alright then.

And was that a break in

Affinity?
Realtiy?
Communication?
Understanding?

couple knocks here. Biggest one will venture into, ok?

So was that a break in reality?

[Emma]

Aren't you going to pull my withhold?

I mean I'm nattering....

At FLag they always pull my withholds.

[Bea Kiddo]

Alright. I understand. And we will get to that in due time. Lets try first to just dig in a little more here on this ARC Break.

(We are auditing BC style here - let me run the session a bit here. See where it goes, ok?)

So, was that a break in reality?

[Emma]

I really like those bike shorts.

Do you have a boyfriend?

[Bea Kiddo]

Yes I do. And thank you for the compliment. Are they a distraction to the session? If so, I can change it.

Now:

WAS THAT A BREAK IN REALITY?

[Emma]

Are you getting mad at me?

I can fly your ruds first if you like.

[Bea Kiddo]

No, not at all.

But, was it a break in reality? :D

[Emma]

Yes it was.

I thought he was a nice man who would always do everything I asked him to. But when it came to ironing my undies, he refused. I got mad.

I thought we shared a reality on underwear maintenance.

We don't....


WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

[Bea Kiddo]

thank you. Very good. I understand.

Now, I would like to indicate that it was a break in reality.

and was it:

curious about reailty?
desired reality?
enforced reality?
inhibited reality?
no reality?
refused reality?

ok, just a little tick tick on one there - curious about reality, was there some thought on that?

[Emma]

Whats this "tick tick" business......

I'm not Jack Campbell you know!!!

[Bea Kiddo]

Oh? Ok then. But I still got a little something there. What was the thought passing through the mind right there on that question: was it curious about reality?

[Emma]

Fizzle Wizzle bum crum.

[Bea Kiddo]

ok then, we are gonna require a little co-operation here. Letsee then.... hmmm..

Now look over that again and tell me what that thought was? :) Would you like me to repeat the question there?

[Emma]

oooh..well.....it was nothing....nothing really.

[Bea Kiddo]

mmmmmmmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmm

tell me.... ;)

[Emma]

Its embarassing.

[Bea Kiddo]

:) Go ahead. I am all ears. Please. :)

[nexus100]

C'mon, C'mon can we get to this!

[Emma]

C'mon, C'mon can we get to this!

Hey big ears, get your own withholds off!!!!

[Emma]

Well....I sorta did something to him.....something mean :nervous:

[nexus100]

Not that I really care.

[Bea Kiddo]

Session distractions are a suppressive act. We are gonna have to call in the ethics officer here.

Okay, okay, now Emma, GIVE ME THAT THOUGHT. :D

That.

That.

There.

There it is again.

What is that thought?

Have you got it again?

THAT!!! What is it?!?!?! There. :D

[Bea Kiddo]

Well....I sorta did something to him.....something mean :nervous:

Thank you.

Now we will reassess. (remember, this is BC style auditing, not GAT. So bear with me)


was it:

curious about reality?
desired reality?
enforced reality?
inhibited reality?
no reality?
refused reality?


We got something on desired reality.

Was it desired reality?

[Emma]

OOOH THAAAAAT!!!!!! :p

Well....I told him that one day, if he kept farting, that his insides would fall out..................:whistling:

[nexus100]

Okay, I'll be quiet.

[Bea Kiddo]

OOOH THAAAAAT!!!!!! :p

Well....I told him that one day, if he kept farting, that his insides would fall out..................:whistling:

Nice!!

So was it desired reality then?

[Emma]

Yes I wanted him to desire the reality that if he farted his guts would fall out.

Yes desired reality.

[Emma]

I just spotted my overt!!!

[Bea Kiddo]

Very good. And that is clean then. Thank you.

Now lets check over these other two....

Is there is present time problem? Is there a present time problem? I didnt really look there good enough. I'll have to check that again. Is there s present time problem? Ok that seems to be clean. We might have to come back to that one. Hmmm.....

Now, is there a WH?

Almost broke my meter with that read. What was that?

[Bea Kiddo]

Sorry, I didnt catch that you spotted your overt - what was it?

[Emma]

About time!

Yes, there is an overt....I put chicken entrails in my boyfriends bed.

[Bea Kiddo]

Alright then. Thank you.

And that is clean.

Lets check it over one more time here.

Is there some withhold here?

Yeah - still get a bang on that.

What was it?

[Emma]

Yes...its about the chicken entrails...

I wanted to scare him, so one morning I put chicken guts all around his bum while he was sleeping.

[Bea Kiddo]

Thank you. Alright. Lets check it again.

Is there a withhold?

Yeah, cleaner. A little something still ringing around there. What was it?

[Emma]

Well he woke up and came rushing out to tell me I was right...that his guts had fallen out of his ass because of his farting.

:eek:

[nexus100]

All this for that?!

[Bea Kiddo]

Now now, Nexus.....

Alright Emma. THANK YOU.

Very brave for telling me. Thank you.

Lets check it over again...

Is there a withhold?

Thats clean.

Let me check over this last one again here....

Is there a present time problem? I little something there... what was that?

[Emma]

Yes...The problem is that I think I've seriously injured my boyfriend.

:bigcry:

[Bea Kiddo]

Alright. Thank you. Lets check that again.


Is there a present time problem? Thats reading again. What was it? One more here somehow?

[Emma]

Yes......

I'm soooo bad....

After he came rushing out to tell me that I was right about the farting and his guts falling out.....

I was feeling all smug......

Until he said...."It's ok though..I fixed it.....I pushed them all back in!"

[haiqu]

What's considered recently?

I had a great reefer a month or two ago...does that matter?

:bong:


[fx: Fills in "PC to Ethics Routing Form"]

[fx: Calls Tech Page]

Could you escort Ms Emma to the E/O please? Ta.

Next!


haiqu

[Alanzo]

Nice BC auditing, Bea!

"Gotta bang on that"!!!

Ha!!!

[Bea Kiddo]

Alright then. very good.

Lets check that again.

Is there a present time problem? Clean. Lemme check one more time. Is there a present time problem?

clean..
Okay then

lets run some Havginess here. We''l do "Touch that" ok?

touch that table. good
touch that chair thank you
touch that lamp alright
touch that carpet good
touch that lamp thank you
touch that paper good
touch that table alright
touch that chair pad. very good
alright. touch that lamp cover good
touch that meter can alright
touch that meter lid good
touch that chair rail thank you.

Hows that?

GREAT!!!

We shall be ending here then...

END OF SESSION


Has the session ended for you then?

[Alanzo]

You've been DYING to audit like that since the BC!!!

You're just a BC Auditor in a GAT world!

[Emma]

WOW!!!

I feel Amazing!!

The room is brighter!!!

I can see colors better!!!!

I feel more in PT. I'm exterior!!! I think I mock up my own reactive mind!!!

Thank you Bea!!!

You're a great auditor.

:hattip: :cheerleader: :thankyou: :buzzin:

[Bea Kiddo]

You are welcome!!!!

[Bea Kiddo]

Nice BC auditing, Bea!

"Gotta bang on that"!!!

Ha!!!

Thank you!!! You want a piece of me? (a session)

[Emma]

Hehe!!

That was fun. If there is anything I do miss from my Scn days it's drilling withhold pulling in the courseroom. That was always a riot! :D

[Bea Kiddo]

Yep. that was cool.

[Emma]

How did we go from BC style auditing to the GAT?

It seems a world of difference.

[Bea Kiddo]

ask Alan. Was it 64 he went nuts?

And if anyone recognizes me as their C/S before, may I apologize in advance.

Yes, that is me in the pic. (dead ringer to Nancy Kerrigan or not? I have been told so...)

[Emma]

So that whole anon thing isn't an issue with you anymore?

[Bea Kiddo]

Actually I am going to need a session grade here....

Alan?

[Bea Kiddo]

So that whole anon thing isn't an issue with you anymore?

I aint fraid of no ghost.

I dont know. A little.

But my life is coming together. I guess. Should I hide still? :nailbiting:

[Emma]

No! I'm not suggesting you do! :)

I'm just glad to see that you aren't as scared any more.

I think it's a great thing!!

[Bea Kiddo]

No! I'm not suggesting you do! :)

I'm just glad to see that you aren't as scared any more.

I think it's a great thing!!

Switching back to my sexy foot for now. I have a trillion pics of me. Playing around with them. Will put up again when playing.

Bedtime for sleepyhead.

Old fart, I am. Young old fart.

Need beauty sleep.

Gonna go for bike ride tomorrow. 32 miles. Yummy.

G'Night. (I'll be ready for session tmrw, ok. Drill your patters!!)

ALAN!!! GIMME A SESSION GRADE!!!!!

[Alan]

Actually I am going to need a session grade here....

Alan?



Err! VWD! :happydance:

Strange stuff! That Scio session stuff. :)

[nexus100]

Rats, I erased my godfather avatar, now I need a new one. Any suggestions?

[Emma]

Switching back to my sexy foot for now. I have a trillion pics of me. Playing around with them. Will put up again when playing.

Bedtime for sleepyhead.

Old fart, I am. Young old fart.

Need beauty sleep.

Gonna go for bike ride tomorrow. 32 miles. Yummy.

G'Night. (I'll be ready for session tmrw, ok. Drill your patters!!)

ALAN!!! GIMME A SESSION GRADE!!!!!

Ok. I'll give you one tomorrow. It will be pure GAK..umm I mean GAT.

We can compare :)

[Alan]

Rats, I erased my godfather avatar, now I need a new one. Any suggestions?

Beyonce will do!

[namaste]

Hehe!!

That was fun. If there is anything I do miss from my Scn days it's drilling withhold pulling in the courseroom. That was always a riot! :D

I remember when I was at PAC for OEC training there was a push for KOTs (Keeper Of the Tech) and for a few weeks the KOTs were training down the hall from us.
I guess ruds flying was on their checksheet because students from there were constantly coming down to our courseroom and pulling s/one out to drill ruds with.
I have never been so clean in my life. I got pulled for a drill at least once a day.
One morning I was thinking about it while walking to class and I knew it was going to happen and I was considering that I would have nothing that would read when I got in the chair.
So I hawked up a big loogey and spat it right in the middle of the sidewalk where I was sure that someone was likely to step in it and walked merrily on my way.
At the moment I don't recall whether it read or not but my guess is that it did.
Hey, I was only trying to help. :D

[nexus100]

Beyonce will do!

I feel a little strange about this, but okay.

[Alan]

I feel a little strange about this, but okay.

Beautiful and she can sing too! :yes:

[Bea Kiddo]

Ok, I am ready Emma. :sleeping: :morecoffee: :hide:

Still sleepy.

No refers. But I am gonna try it soon. :D

[Emma]

Very Good.

Are you well fed & rested?

Have you had any drugs or alcohol recently?

Is there any reason you can think of to not start this session?

[Bea Kiddo]

Noper dopers.

What're we gonna do anyways?

[Emma]

Excellent!

I have specific instructions from the C/S :)

THIS IS THE SESSION!

Do you have an ARCX? F

(looks enquiringly at Bea)

Do you have an ARCX?

[Bea Kiddo]

(inquiring?).


Yes, I do. My bird ate my fish. Only 1/2 of him though.

[Emma]

Thank you.

Was that a break in:

Affinity? x
reality? x
communication? x
understanding? LF

Was that a break in understanding?

[Bea Kiddo]

Yeah!!! Why didnt he eat the whole thing. Stupid ASS bird.

[Alanzo]

Yeah!!! Why didnt he eat the whole thing. Stupid ASS bird.

Bea!

You seem more in-valence already!

[Bea Kiddo]

I'm gonna kick your ass, Alanzo. :mad:

don't pick on me. I am sensitive to that stuff...:bigcry:

[Emma]

Thank you.

I'd like to indicate that was a break in understanding.

(waits & hopes for an F/N)

(smiles at PC)

(shit! No F/N)

Was it:

Curious about understanding? x
Desired understanding? x
Enforced undestanding? x
Inhibited understanding? F
No understanding? x
Refused understanding? sF

Was it inhibited understanding?

[Bea Kiddo]

No

[Emma]

(goddamit!!! I hate it when PCs do that!)

(smiles)

Ok. I'll reasses.

Was it:

Curious about understanding? LF
Desired understanding? x
Enforced undestanding? x
Inhibited understanding? x
No understanding? x
Refused understanding? sF

Was it curious about understanding?

[Bea Kiddo]

No.

dont you know how to read a meter?

[Emma]

Have I missed a withold? LFBD

(looks enquringly PC)

Have I missed a withhold?

[Bea Kiddo]

Yeah, your TR's suck. Where did you go to school? Gawd.

[Emma]

I'll repeat the auditing question:

Have I missed a withhold? LFBD

What was that?

[Bea Kiddo]

I told you!! I withheld that your TRs suck. :duh:

[Emma]

Look at this definition of a missed withhold.

You understand it? Good.

I'll repeat the auditing question.

Have I missed a withhold? LFBD

That! What was that thought?

[Bea Kiddo]

Gawd. So picky then.

Well, my bird might be mad at me... I might have done something there. But he deserved it!!! peeing all over the place, getting out of his cage a pooping all over the dog. I mean C'mon!!! Have some decency, huh?

[Emma]

(note to self: this PC is riddled with O/Ws. Suggest extensive sec checking)

What exactly did you do to the bird?

[Bea Kiddo]

I SAW what you wrote in the worksheets, that I need extensive sec checking!!! You are not my C/S. You are very mixed up on what your job is here.

[Emma]

(note to self: move meter shield next time PC closes her eyes. Definitely suggest sec checking)

I'll repeat the auditing question.

What exactly did you do to the bird?

[Bea Kiddo]

Well, his eyes popped out, I guess.

[Emma]

What did you do to the bird?

[Bea Kiddo]

Gawd, so picky. I kinda picked it up to give it a hug and it made me mad for eating my expensive fish. My hug made his eyes pop out, I guess. :(

[Emma]

Thank you.

When was this?

[Bea Kiddo]

This morning.

(dirty needle)

[Emma]

Is your attention on anything? x

No? OK

Is there anything else to this overt?

[Bea Kiddo]

Yeah, I flushed him down the toilet instead of giving him a proper burial.

It was my moms bird. She is gonna be upset.

[Emma]

Thank you.

Who missed it?

(bet $10 this idiot says herself)

[Bea Kiddo]

You idiot. You are critical of ME. You have a missed withhold. I know my tech!!!

Have I missed a WH on you?

[Emma]

(note to self: keep critical thoughts of PC to minimum. PC can obviously "see" my mental image pictures)

I'll repeat the auditing question:

Who missed it?

[Bea Kiddo]

My dog.

[Emma]

(sigh)

What did you dog do to make you wonder whether or not he/she knew?

[Bea Kiddo]

(gawd, you are so evaluative)

He looked at me dumbly with bird poo all over him.

[Emma]

(jeez, what next, the orange tree?)

Thankyou.

Who else missed it?

[Bea Kiddo]

The cat. He jumped in the toilet to catch a bite. Only got him all wet.

LOL.

Thats all.

F/N.

[Emma]

(F/N!! Thank God)

Great! Your needle is floating.

Is there anything you'd care to say or ask before I end this session?

No? OK.

END OF SESSION!

(now off to the examiner. if this PC red tags I'll scream)

[Bea Kiddo]

Flunk. You left an open read on ARC Break.

[Emma]

Crap. I did too.

You deserve it though.

[Alan]

Crap. I did too.

You deserve it though.



:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Bea Kiddo]

Man!!

Actually your TR3 was good, though a pc could pick up on those evaluative thoughts you have going on. They might affect your sessions more than you think. You may be creating your own bogs in session, you know.

I dont think it should matter what a pc says or does. Its Well Done Auditing Hours that you are after. Take whatever time it needs. Keep the session under your control, but let them have their say too. That is part of AUDITING the pc in front of you.

So, for the purposes of this thread, we'd have to go through the drill again before I could pass you on to an actual pc.

We can do it, if you want.

But I cost more than you would pay for an intensive of auditing.

(Did I just say all that crap? Old valence I had....:puke: )

[Bea Kiddo]

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

HEY!!! Who's side are you on, anyway? :mad:

[Alan]

HEY!!! Who's side are you on, anyway? :mad:



I think you both did great! :)

Though I have a C/S that would probably do you both a lot of good - if you are interested?

[Emma]

Man!!

Actually your TR3 was good, though a pc could pick up on those evaluative thoughts you have going on. They might affect your sessions more than you think. You may be creating your own bogs in session, you know.

I dont think it should matter what a pc says or does. Its Well Done Auditing Hours that you are after. Take whatever time it needs. Keep the session under your control, but let them have their say too. That is part of AUDITING the pc in front of you.

So, for the purposes of this thread, we'd have to go through the drill again before I could pass you on to an actual pc.

We can do it, if you want.

But I cost more than you would pay for an intensive of auditing.

(Did I just say all that crap? Old valence I had....:puke: )

Ooh brother..and I thought I was being funny!!! :duh:

[SchwimmelPuckel]

So, where did half a goldfish go?

(Thank's for the great entertainment ladies! :roflmao: )

.

[Emma]

So, where did half a goldfish go?

(Thank's for the great entertainment ladies! :roflmao: )

.

She probably ate it herself which is why she was so critical of me.

I didn't pull all her withholds.

[Alan]

Man!!

Actually your TR3 was good, though a pc could pick up on those evaluative thoughts you have going on. They might affect your sessions more than you think. You may be creating your own bogs in session, you know.

I dont think it should matter what a pc says or does. Its Well Done Auditing Hours that you are after. Take whatever time it needs. Keep the session under your control, but let them have their say too. That is part of AUDITING the pc in front of you.

So, for the purposes of this thread, we'd have to go through the drill again before I could pass you on to an actual pc.

We can do it, if you want.

But I cost more than you would pay for an intensive of auditing.

(Did I just say all that crap? Old valence I had....:puke: )



Ouch! This actually restimed me.

Took me back to the live TV demos where LRH and all the students on the SHSBC would watch you and then critique you.

Mostly the students would tear you to bits.....LRH had a much more gentler approach.

Except one time he went into a screaming rage and tore me to pieces for an hour - yelling at me at tone 40 force - then he spent 15 minutes putting me back together.

It was a very empowering experience - not once when he was screaming at me did he do a wrong indication - also I felt his intention to make me a great auditor!

The wildest thing were the students - they went into shock!

Meanwhile I felt huge.

From that time on auditing was a breeze! :)

Alan

[Krysti]

That was funny and it gave me more of an understanding of auditing. :)

I do have to ask... What is the havingness about - touching lamps, the chair, etc.?

[Div6]

That was funny and it gave me more of an understanding of auditing. :)

I do have to ask... What is the havingness about - touching lamps, the chair, etc.?

The basic concept is that a being (person) is hanging on to all of this old mental mass (engrams, withholds, etc....) as "energy" or havingness. So when a PC gets rid of some, you give him some fresh "havingness" so he doesn't just put the old stuff back. So he can 'let go' as it were, and be "more in present time".

[Krysti]

The basic concept is that a being (person) is hanging on to all of this old mental mass (engrams, withholds, etc....) as "energy" or havingness. So when a PC gets rid of some, you give him some fresh "havingness" so he doesn't just put the old stuff back. So he can 'let go' as it were, and be "more in present time".

Oh! Thanks for the explanation, Div. :)

Did you (or anyone else) feel it helped bring you back to present time? Or, did you just do it because that's how the session was supposed to end?

What did you think the first time you had to do it?

[Bea Kiddo]

I think you both did great! :)

Though I have a C/S that would probably do you both a lot of good - if you are interested?

Bring it on!!!

[Div6]

Oh! Thanks for the explanation, Div. :)

Did you (or anyone else) feel it helped bring you back to present time? Or, did you just do it because that's how the session was supposed to end?

What did you think the first time you had to do it?


The first time it was run on me was after my first sec check. It was fun.

[Voltaire's Child]

What a cool thread, you guys!

[Krysti]

The first time it was run on me was after my first sec check. It was fun.

Am I misunderstanding something about it? Touching objects was fun? :confused:

I guess I just pictured it as an exercise to do after a session. Kind of like a ritual, but for a different purpose (bringing you back to present time)...

[Zinjifar]

Am I misunderstanding something about it? Touching objects was fun? :confused:

I guess I just pictured it as an exercise to do after a session. Kind of like a ritual, but for a different purpose (bringing you back to present time)...

It won't fit into the acceptable Scientology explanation, but, for an outsider it fits well into the description of 'processing' as a hypnotic exercise.

Many Scientology processes involve 'commands' that have no obvious 'purpose', whether good or ill, and, there's a reason for that.

The comand itself can be nonsense; the only *point* is to get the target to unthinkingly and automatically 'react' to the command. In normal wog life we don't take orders from people without understanding and 'evaluating' and 'agreeing' to follow the command. We don't automatically 'trust' people who choose to order us around.

Hypnosis requires 'trust' *and* authority, and a willful suspension of disbelief and 'resistence'.

Things like the 'havingness' bit described here and much about the TRs involve training the 'PC' to follow orders *without* asking 'why'.

Suspending resistence inherently implies 'trust' for people, and, it works both ways. If you trust, you may suspend resistence, but, also, if you suspend resistence, it *implies* trust.

What looks like nonsense in Scientology *is* often nonsense, but, nonsense intended to train the PC in 'automatic' compliance.

Especially after a 'sec check' :)

Zinj

[Krysti]

It won't fit into the acceptable Scientology explanation, but, for an outsider it fits well into the description of 'processing' as a hypnotic exercise.

Many Scientology processes involve 'commands' that have no obvious 'purpose', whether good or ill, and, there's a reason for that.

The comand itself can be nonsense; the only *point* is to get the target to unthinkingly and automatically 'react' to the command. In normal wog life we don't take orders from people without understanding and 'evaluating' and 'agreeing' to follow the command. We don't automatically 'trust' people who choose to order us around.

Hypnosis requires 'trust' *and* authority, and a willful suspension of disbelief and 'resistence'.

Things like the 'havingness' bit described here and much about the TRs involve training the 'PC' to follow orders *without* asking 'why'.

Suspending resistence inherently implies 'trust' for people, and, it works both ways. If you trust, you may suspend resistence, but, also, if you suspend resistence, it *implies* trust.

What looks like nonsense in Scientology *is* often nonsense, but, nonsense intended to train the PC in 'automatic' compliance.

Especially after a 'sec check' :)

Zinj

That makes sense (from a non-scientologist hypnotic point of view).

But, why would a scientologist consider it fun to touch a lamp or a chair or whatever?

[b ginn]

That makes sense (from a non-scientologist hypnotic point of view).

But, why would a scientologist consider it fun to touch a lamp or a chair or whatever?

Hi Krysti, After first getting out of my head from looking into my mind at pictures during a session, for me at the time, it was kind of like absorbing a little energy from physical objects, feeling the reality of things, as I would feel a little light on my feet and that settled me back into confronting and operating in the physical universe. If that makes sense. I wouldn't exactly say it was fun for me but it did add to feeling a bit more better by getting grounded again.

b

[Krysti]

Hi Krysti, After first getting out of my head from looking into my mind at pictures during a session, for me at the time, it was kind of like absorbing a little energy from physical objects, feeling the reality of things, as I would feel a little light on my feet and that settled me back into confronting and operating in the physical universe. If that makes sense. I wouldn't exactly say it was fun for me but it did add to feeling a bit more better by getting grounded again.

b

Hi b ginn,

Thanks for answering. So, for you, it did help you get back into present time (or grounded, which makes more sense to me). :)

Next question (I have a feeling my questions can get annoying, but I'll ask anyway)...

Do you think touching the objects was the only way to get grounded again? Or, do you think it was/is the best way?

Do you think just saying okay, session over... How do you feel? And talking about the way you feel now that the session is over would have/had the same effect?

Krysti :)

[Voltaire's Child]

I think it may be more the realizations and thoughts one has from doing the process that's fun.

Anytime one can achieve serenity, confidence- that's going to be "fun".

The actual auditing processes can sometimes be challenging while one is doing them.

[Bea Kiddo]

Hi b ginn,

Thanks for answering. So, for you, it did help you get back into present time (or grounded, which makes more sense to me). :)

Next question (I have a feeling my questions can get annoying, but I'll ask anyway)...

Do you think touching the objects was the only way to get grounded again? Or, do you think it was/is the best way?

Do you think just saying okay, session over... How do you feel? And talking about the way you feel now that the session is over would have/had the same effect?

Krysti :)

Your questions and curiosity are WONDERFUL. You are questioning things in the right way, and finding out. Its really wonderful, instead of being blind to it. I enjoy your posts.

[Bea Kiddo]

Alan - You were going to propose a C/S instruction for us????

bring it on please....

(I actually did learn how to audit on the BC, for whatever its worth. Test me on ANYTHING up to Class VI. Or on whatever from what you deliver - either way).

[Krysti]

I think it may be more the realizations and thoughts one has from doing the process that's fun.

Anytime one can achieve serenity, confidence- that's going to be "fun".

The actual auditing processes can sometimes be challenging while one is doing them.

Hi Fluffy,

I can certainly understand that. :)

I just didn't get it when I asked a question about how people felt about touching lamps and chairs and Div answered that it was fun... <scratches head>

[Krysti]

Your questions and curiosity are WONDERFUL. You are questioning things in the right way, and finding out. Its really wonderful, instead of being blind to it. I enjoy your posts.

Hi Bea,

Thanks, I appreciate it. I really am curious and find the subject fascinating.

I find it difficult at times, being on the outside, trying to find a way to ask questions in the right way. I really don't want to come off like I'm here to insult, offend or... I want to say disregard someone's beliefs here, but I know that will offend some. See what I mean? :duh:

I'm trying. :)

Krysti

[Voltaire's Child]

Hi Fluffy,

I can certainly understand that. :)

I just didn't get it when I asked a question about how people felt about touching lamps and chairs and Div answered that it was fun... <scratches head>

Sure!! I know what you mean...

Want to tell you that I agree with Bea...I like your posts. Not only for your interest and curiosity- but also you do bring up some really great questions.

[b ginn]

Hi b ginn,

Thanks for answering. So, for you, it did help you get back into present time (or grounded, which makes more sense to me). :)

Next question (I have a feeling my questions can get annoying, but I'll ask anyway)...

Do you think touching the objects was the only way to get grounded again? Or, do you think it was/is the best way?

Do you think just saying okay, session over... How do you feel? And talking about the way you feel now that the session is over would have/had the same effect?

Krysti :)


Hi Krysti, You are in an unique perspective of view, that instead of getting into scn (and I don't remember what your interests were in it from your early posts) you are able to inquire about it and get a variety explanations that you can ponder at your leisure. It's free advice to boot.

There aren't really bad questions, just kicking yourself (myself) because there really wasn't much info to find out about until way too late when I got in. So ask away. You can get as much data as you can read Lrh books or listen to lectures, but getting someone elses views because of their involvement and experience does help.

To kind of additionally asnwer your question:

I think that getting into present time was more of not having my mind being distracted from past events that were being addressed in session and if the session was successful enough I would be able to observe more things and in more detail so I'd be more alert to things going on. My explanation about getting more grounded may not make a lot sense but the idea of doing the havingness before ending the session could actually just be like gaining an feeling of liking (like how I feel about my guitar and how I like to hold it and it gives me a certain sensation of havingness, as an example) more common things in the environment in the way that each have different textures, shapes ect., that when you get more "in present time" you also can experience that increased liking of things and then go off into the world with that flow of affinity to and from even more things.

Hope that helps a little more? :)

b ginn

[Krysti]

Sure!! I know what you mean...

Want to tell you that I agree with Bea...I like your posts. Not only for your interest and curiosity- but also you do bring up some really great questions.

Hi Fluffy,

As I said to Bea, thank you, I appreciate it. It is nice to have positive feedback, especially since I was intimated to post here at first. I felt like I may be intruding.

This whole journey has been quite a learning experience. I started out trying to find people who were bipolar who say scientology cured them. I was very puzzled that I couldn't find anyone, since Tom Cruise was so against meds. If he was so against it, scientology *must* have an alternative, right? What I found on a scientology forum were scientologists who had no answers. I actually went to a bipolar forum to ask about it there and... well, you can just imagine the responses I got!

Anyway, the more I learned, the more shocked I became. The more I tried to figure out, the more complex it became. As I've said many times before, it is amazing to me there is the whole world out there I knew nothing of.

I really feel for the people who have had to endure what they have because of the CofS.

It amazes me that even after people get out, some still want to follow the teachings of Hubbard. I guess that's where I am right now. I'm still trying to figure out why people would still want to be involved in scn.

I have always been inquisitive. As a child, I was always following my mom around asking questions like, "Why is the sky blue?". "Why this, why that, but WHY???".

Krysti :)

[Voltaire's Child]

Hi, Krysti,

Well, I think that's a GOOD way to be.

As for me- and I think for others whom I've seen say the same thing as I have felt - the reason some people would leave CofS and still study Scn is because they still feel they are getting something out of the philosophy.

An analogy would be a lady who was a good friend of a friend of mine. She had a terrible falling out with her (Greek Orthodox Christian) church. She was so angry with them. Vowed never to go back there again- and didn't.

But she still believed in Jesus and all those doctrines.

I've had (and this is not about anything you've said to me. You don't do this) people tell me over the years "you follow Hubbard." "Hubbard is your master" yadda yadda.

Well, no. I don't follow anyone (though this used to not be true). I'm interested in ideas and methods. They stand (or fall) alone without Hubbard's help or hindrance.

I would feel that way about any ideas- particularly philosophical/self help, etc sort of ones. If the idea has any merit, one can employ it even if the source was a polluted one.

[Krysti]

Hi, Krysti,

Well, I think that's a GOOD way to be.

As for me- and I think for others whom I've seen say the same thing as I have felt - the reason some people would leave CofS and still study Scn is because they still feel they are getting something out of the philosophy.

An analogy would be a lady who was a good friend of a friend of mine. She had a terrible falling out with her (Greek Orthodox Christian) church. She was so angry with them. Vowed never to go back there again- and didn't.

But she still believed in Jesus and all those doctrines.

I've had (and this is not about anything you've said to me. You don't do this) people tell me over the years "you follow Hubbard." "Hubbard is your master" yadda yadda.

Well, no. I don't follow anyone (though this used to not be true). I'm interested in ideas and methods. They stand (or fall) alone without Hubbard's help or hindrance.

I would feel that way about any ideas- particularly philosophical/self help, etc sort of ones. If the idea has any merit, one can employ it even if the source was a polluted one.

I get that people still feel like they're getting something out of it. But, WHY??? :p

[Div6]

Hi Fluffy,

As I said to Bea, thank you, I appreciate it. It is nice to have positive feedback, especially since I was intimated to post here at first. I felt like I may be intruding.

This whole journey has been quite a learning experience. I started out trying to find people who were bipolar who say scientology cured them. I was very puzzled that I couldn't find anyone, since Tom Cruise was so against meds. If he was so against it, scientology *must* have an alternative, right? What I found on a scientology forum were scientologists who had no answers. I actually went to a bipolar forum to ask about it there and... well, you can just imagine the responses I got!

Anyway, the more I learned, the more shocked I became. The more I tried to figure out, the more complex it became. As I've said many times before, it is amazing to me there is the whole world out there I knew nothing of.

I really feel for the people who have had to endure what they have because of the CofS.

It amazes me that even after people get out, some still want to follow the teachings of Hubbard. I guess that's where I am right now. I'm still trying to figure out why people would still want to be involved in scn.

I have always been inquisitive. As a child, I was always following my mom around asking questions like, "Why is the sky blue?". "Why this, why that, but WHY???".

Krysti :)


My oldest daughter was that way when she was young. I always encouraged her and if I did not know the answer we would "go to the library" to research it. She is going to an Ivy League school now...I couldn't be happier about that. So ask away.

I kind of echo Fluffy's sentiments on why I still 'use the tech'. My experience wasn't all bad. And I feel I have helped others, and been helped in ways that are a bit beyond the 'normal' in this society. Before we had pills and meds there were other healing methods....foods, stories, etc. I tend to look there first, before the authorities in the medical estab. I had a close family member who was an MD. He wound up giving up in disgust, as the emphasis had changed from helping others, to the profit motive. Much as it has in the current CoS....

[Krysti]

Hope that helps a little more? :)

b ginn

Not really! :)

I don't think I'll ever really get the touching of objects thing. I mean, possibly to an extent... that it's giving you the feeling of being in the here and now. But, I still can't imagine going along with someone telling me to touch a chair, a lamp, etc... I'd imagine I'd just think they were nuts.

On a different note, has anyone here ever tried Cranial Sacral?

[Dulloldfart]

I don't think I'll ever really get the touching of objects thing. I mean, possibly to an extent... that it's giving you the feeling of being in the here and now. But, I still can't imagine going along with someone telling me to touch a chair, a lamp, etc... I'd imagine I'd just think they were nuts.


How about someone telling you to get an overall idea of the main thing bugging you and putting that idea above you, then below you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGCXzY74aI) etc.?

Paul

[Div6]

Not really! :)

I don't think I'll ever really get the touching of objects thing. I mean, possibly to an extent... that it's giving you the feeling of being in the here and now. But, I still can't imagine going along with someone telling me to touch a chair, a lamp, etc... I'd imagine I'd just think they were nuts.

On a different note, has anyone here ever tried Cranial Sacral?

I haven't, but I have done something similar with Directed Non Force Therapy (which is a type of chiropracty). The body loved it, and got some real relief from a pinched nerve.

[Zinjifar]

How about someone telling you to get an overall idea of the main thing bugging you and putting that idea above you, then below you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUGCXzY74aI) etc.?

Paul

I would call it 'power of suggestion' (since I'm being kind :)) combined with abreaction, with the purpose of giving the person 'control' over what is 'bugging' them.

With the exception that, within Scientology, I would add the overriding *covert* intent, which is to get the 'subject' used to following orders.

Zinj

[Krysti]

My oldest daughter was that way when she was young. I always encouraged her and if I did not know the answer we would "go to the library" to research it. She is going to an Ivy League school now...I couldn't be happier about that. So ask away.

I kind of echo Fluffy's sentiments on why I still 'use the tech'. My experience wasn't all bad. And I feel I have helped others, and been helped in ways that are a bit beyond the 'normal' in this society. Before we had pills and meds there were other healing methods....foods, stories, etc. I tend to look there first, before the authorities in the medical estab. I had a close family member who was an MD. He wound up giving up in disgust, as the emphasis had changed from helping others, to the profit motive. Much as it has in the current CoS....

Hmmm, my mom always tried to shut me up.. She'd try to play the "who can last the longest without saying anything" game. Maybe I'd have gone to an Ivy League school too if she'd used the method you did instead. :D

I can understand why people would feel like some of it was useful. I guess there's just a lot of it that I still don't get how it could be useful.

I've never liked taking pills either. I rarely take anything, even aspirin for a headache. Although, I guess I can't say that, because I do take allergy medicine quite often. Damn those cats for being so cute that I can't get rid of em!

Oh, and bipolar meds. I wouldn't take those either though if I could find something else that would work. I was convinced at one point it was caused by some kind of allergy to food. I got allergy tests done and that wasn't it. No matter how many tests I get done, they can't find a biological cause. Oh well, I just have to deal with it the best way I can right now!

Krysti :)

[Bea Kiddo]

Hmmm, my mom always tried to shut me up.. She'd try to play the "who can last the longest without saying anything" game. Maybe I'd have gone to an Ivy League school too if she'd used the method you did instead. :D

I can understand why people would feel like some of it was useful. I guess there's just a lot of it that I still don't get how it could be useful.

I've never liked taking pills either. I rarely take anything, even aspirin for a headache. Although, I guess I can't say that, because I do take allergy medicine quite often. Damn those cats for being so cute that I can't get rid of em!

Oh, and bipolar meds. I wouldn't take those either though if I could find something else that would work. I was convinced at one point it was caused by some kind of allergy to food. I got allergy tests done and that wasn't it. No matter how many tests I get done, they can't find a biological cause. Oh well, I just have to deal with it the best way I can right now!

Krysti :)

May I ask you, Krysti, if you dont mind (I think I asked before and you did answer) - what are they symptoms again of bi-polar? Like, what are you trying to fix or solve?:)

[Krysti]

May I ask you, Krysti, if you dont mind (I think I asked before and you did answer) - what are they symptoms again of bi-polar? Like, what are you trying to fix or solve?:)

Hi Bea,

Hopefully, this link works. It describes the symptoms and tells a little bit of my story:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=20404#post20404

[Voltaire's Child]

I get that people still feel like they're getting something out of it. But, WHY??? :p

Well...let's put it this way. Some people have referred to Scn/CofS as a "therapy cult". It's also been referred to as a self help thing.

So with anything like that, the "gains" or successes are often along the lines of did the person feel better about X?

Just as it is with psychotherapy. Many people say they felt better and resolved problems. I happen to think that in most cases, they did truly feel better, etc.

Everybody would have different stories to tell about the therapy, right? Like this person might have tried to address a fear of relationships or a lack of confidence or problems on the job or who knows what. And the person's counselling might have been very different from the other person's counselling and this or that person would have had a different reaction to the counselling than this other person.

But they might have this in common- that they all were helped, to some extent, by the therapy.

So it goes with auditing. I liked auditing. It helped me focus on specific things that mattered to me. The auditor directed my attention in an empathetic way without making value judgments, not positive ones, not negative ones- yet there was a feeling of safety and affinity. So that made it easy for me not to be distracted by the auditor and to concentrate on what we were working on.

Scn auditing occurs until the person has a major realization in that particular auditing process. And while on the way to doing that, the person may have lots of other realizations, too- not just the one.

Auditing is MEANT to bring that result. And the auditor does not tell the person what he should realize. So the realizations are real and unique and special to that person.

And the effects of those realizations stay with the person. Because that is a sign that someone is learning about life. When he has realizations.

And it's a nice feeling. It's like "eureka!".

Also, in auditing, one unburdens oneself of painful things that happened. That is cathartic. Anytime one can achieve catharsis, they will feel better. Like they got something off their chest.

In auditing, the auditor is not allowed to EVER say "your hour is up. I have another patient waiting for me." while the person if in the midst of working things out, having some cathartic event, etc. The auditor gets the person through it.

It's pleasant to learn things about oneself and life. Sometimes more than pleasant- it can be joyful.

Some of the others here will have seen me write about the following a few times so anyone for whom that's a rerun, bear with me.

But an example from my life is when my folks died. I dealt with the first parent's death ok. Though I missed my mom very very much. But I knew it was coming. but the second parent's death in 7 months just took a huge toll on me. I had gallopping pulse rate and felt so sad. Sad doesn't even begin to describe it. I was so freaked out. I can usually jolly myself out of most things- even if it takes a day or two, but not that. Ralph Hilton helped me through a lot of it until I could get to an auditor near me (I was kind of in transit at the time- which wasn't helping either.) .

So I had some auditing with a Freezone auditor. Big big big difference. Pulse rate went down. Stayed down. Felt happier. Much calmer.

I still miss my folks every bit as much. There isn't ONE day that goes by that I don't think of them. Not one. Ever.

Auditing did not erase or change my emotions about my parents and didn't make me happy about their deaths but it took away the crushing despair and since the despair had affected me physically, so did the auditing.

Besides auditing, there are various principles in Scn that I have put to use that I found helpful and continue to do so.

Scn is far from the only thing that has helped me or that I'm interested in, philosophy-wise. There's lots of wisdom out there elsewhere and I'm not one to limit myself to any one guy's phrasing or ideas about that stuff.

But, yeah, I would not want to deny my experiences. It doesn't make my own observations about problems - not just in CofS but within the Scn philosophy itself- any the less heartfelt.

[Krysti]

Well...let's put it this way. Some people have referred to Scn/CofS as a "therapy cult". It's also been referred to as a self help thing.

So with anything like that, the "gains" or successes are often along the lines of did the person feel better about X?

Just as it is with psychotherapy. Many people say they felt better and resolved problems. I happen to think that in most cases, they did truly feel better, etc.

Everybody would have different stories to tell about the therapy, right? Like this person might have tried to address a fear of relationships or a lack of confidence or problems on the job or who knows what. And the person's counselling might have been very different from the other person's counselling and this or that person would have had a different reaction to the counselling than this other person.

But they might have this in common- that they all were helped, to some extent, by the therapy.

So it goes with auditing. I liked auditing. It helped me focus on specific things that mattered to me. The auditor directed my attention in an empathetic way without making value judgments, not positive ones, not negative ones- yet there was a feeling of safety and affinity. So that made it easy for me not to be distracted by the auditor and to concentrate on what we were working on.

Scn auditing occurs until the person has a major realization in that particular auditing process. And while on the way to doing that, the person may have lots of other realizations, too- not just the one.

Auditing is MEANT to bring that result. And the auditor does not tell the person what he should realize. So the realizations are real and unique and special to that person.

And the effects of those realizations stay with the person. Because that is a sign that someone is learning about life. When he has realizations.

And it's a nice feeling. It's like "eureka!".

Also, in auditing, one unburdens oneself of painful things that happened. That is cathartic. Anytime one can achieve catharsis, they will feel better. Like they got something off their chest.

In auditing, the auditor is not allowed to EVER say "your hour is up. I have another patient waiting for me." while the person if in the midst of working things out, having some cathartic event, etc. The auditor gets the person through it.

It's pleasant to learn things about oneself and life. Sometimes more than pleasant- it can be joyful.

Some of the others here will have seen me write about the following a few times so anyone for whom that's a rerun, bear with me.

But an example from my life is when my folks died. I dealt with the first parent's death ok. Though I missed my mom very very much. But I knew it was coming. but the second parent's death in 7 months just took a huge toll on me. I had gallopping pulse rate and felt so sad. Sad doesn't even begin to describe it. I was so freaked out. I can usually jolly myself out of most things- even if it takes a day or two, but not that. Ralph Hilton helped me through a lot of it until I could get to an auditor near me (I was kind of in transit at the time- which wasn't helping either.) .

So I had some auditing with a Freezone auditor. Big big big difference. Pulse rate went down. Stayed down. Felt happier. Much calmer.

I still miss my folks every bit as much. There isn't ONE day that goes by that I don't think of them. Not one. Ever.

Auditing did not erase or change my emotions about my parents and didn't make me happy about their deaths but it took away the crushing despair and since the despair had affected me physically, so did the auditing.

Besides auditing, there are various principles in Scn that I have put to use that I found helpful and continue to do so.

Scn is far from the only thing that has helped me or that I'm interested in, philosophy-wise. There's lots of wisdom out there elsewhere and I'm not one to limit myself to any one guy's phrasing or ideas about that stuff.

But, yeah, I would not want to deny my experiences. It doesn't make my own observations about problems - not just in CofS but within the Scn philosophy itself- any the less heartfelt.

I was actually just kidding by that question, but thanks for the reply. I totally understand.

I'd like to hear from anti-scientologists (or ex-scientologists who no longer partake in scientology) on this one. I've heard auditing being described as hypnosis or brainwashing. Do you think this is the case (not scientology 'case', English case)? Do you think auditing is detrimental? If yes, why?

Thanks,

Krysti

[Bea Kiddo]

Emma, When are you gonna flatten my ARC Break? We have an open read here!!!:coolwink:

[Emma]

Oh yeah!

I've only just gotten out of cramming. I have a shitload of amends to do but hopefully I'll be allowed to audit again soon.

[Bea Kiddo]

No session tonight?:bigcry:

[Alanzo]

I was actually just kidding by that question, but thanks for the reply. I totally understand.

I'd like to hear from anti-scientologists (or ex-scientologists who no longer partake in scientology) on this one. I've heard auditing being described as hypnosis or brainwashing. Do you think this is the case (not scientology 'case', English case)? Do you think auditing is detrimental? If yes, why?

Thanks,

Krysti

Auditing is a highly developed form of hypnotherapy.

The state of "IN SESSION" which is achieved through the proper use of TRs, and which is a skill taught to every auditor, produces a state of "Monoideaism" which is the proper term for a hypnotic state (per the guy who coined the term, James Braid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Braid_%28physician%29))

While in a state of monoideaism, or in a state of "IN SESSION", a pc is much more susceptible to positive suggestions than when in a "looking both ways before you cross the street" state of mind. That's because, as you are focused on one thing, to the exclusion of other things in your environment, suggestions can slip in from the side you are not looking at, and get in deeply enough to make changes in your world view - without your conscious inspection.

Therefore, yes, auditing produces a hypnotic, or monoideaistic, state in which the pc is more susceptible to positive suggestion. Even Hubbard, in SOS, said that "any pc who is sent down the track is more suggestible".

Whether auditing is detrimental or not, depends on the kinds of suggestions in his environment at the time of the auditing and afterwards.

Monoideastic states, or trance states, are the most therapeutic states for mankind. It is in these states that all spiritual healers, shamans, priests, gurus, doctors and others have always been able to produce the changes we all recognize as "miraculous". We seem genetically programmed to allow these states to permit ideas to get inside us deep enough to produce profound changes in the way we see ourselves and the world. And to make desirable changes in our selves, and in our lives.

Thus, these trance, hypnotic, or monoideaistic states are highly desirable.

Yet, when others are in control of these states, and they wish THEIR OWN changes in us, then auditing in an environment like that is detrimental.

That detrimental environment is the environment produced by the present day Church of Scientology, and one set up intentionally by L Ron Hubbard, who was a master hypnotist himself prior to his publishing "Dianetics" in 1950, his first manual of hypnotherapy.

If you have the right practitioner, someone who is not interested in producing his own "agenda" in you, then it is probably like the environment for auditing found in the "Freezone" or Independent field.

Or the environment you create for yourself during meditation at home.

Auditing, prayer, meditation, idolistic worship, great sex, etc. all produce a state in which you are vulnerable to positive suggestion.

You should safeguard yourself to ensure that only suggestions that YOU want to enter into your mind, are the ones to make it.

Thanks for asking, Krysti.

You always ask such gooood questions!

Like a softball thrown to Barry Bonds after a huge hit of steroids.

OUT A THE PARK!

[Alanzo]

No session tonight?:bigcry:

Is your PC red-tagged, Emma?

[Bea Kiddo]

:hissyfit: :runaway: :hide:

I'm blowing if I am not getting any session.

[Alanzo]

:hissyfit: :runaway: :hide:

I'm blowing if I am not getting any session.

Emma -

Your Red Tag is Red Tagged.

[Alan]

Auditing is a highly developed form of hypnotherapy.



False! Though your Scio auditing may well have been.




The state of "IN SESSION" which is achieved through the proper use of TRs, and which is a skill taught to every auditor, produces a state of "Monoideaism" which is the proper term for a hypnotic state (per the guy who coined the term, James Braid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Braid_%28physician%29))

While in a state of monoideaism, or in a state of "IN SESSION", a pc is much more susceptible to positive suggestions than when in a "looking both ways before you cross the street" state of mind. That's because, as you are focused on one thing, to the exclusion of other things in your environment, suggestions can slip in from the side you are not looking at, and get in deeply enough to make changes in your world view - without your conscious inspection.



Though you continue to preach that "IN SESSION" is a hyponotic event - could it be you have never been "IN SESSION"? But more likely "IN TRANCE"?

A PC in a heavy long term TRANCE state can actually put an overworked or tired auditor in a "TRANCE STATE."

You see this mutual TRANCE STATE often when students are doing objective style processes.

An Auditor who has handled their TRANCE STATES has no problem erasing a pc's TRANCE STATES when they appear.

It is very easy to create TRANCE STATES on yourself - all it takes is to give up responsibility for your causes or effects. This puts you in a null state or TRANCE. When your in this state LIFE is the Hypnotist - and life creates you as.:omg:

Not having any purpose in life - puts you into an automatic TRANCE STATE.

Alan

[Alanzo]

False! Though your Scio auditing may well have been.

Though you continue to preach that "IN SESSION" is a hyponotic event - could it be you have never been "IN SESSION"? But more likely "IN TRANCE"?

A PC in a heavy long term TRANCE state can actually put an overworked or tired auditor in a "TRANCE STATE."

You see this mutual TRANCE STATE often when students are doing objective style processes.

An Audtor who has handled their TRANCE STATES has no problem erasing a pc's TRANCE STATES when they appear.

It is very easy to create TRANCE STATES on yourself - all it takes is to give up resposibility for your causes or effects. This puts you in a null state or TRANCE. When your in this state LIFE is the Hypnotist - and life creates you as.:omg:

Alan

Well, Alan. I'm curious what an old man like yourself, one who has been around the block a few times, has to say about the term "Monoideaism" and its history in mental healing.

Do you get people to concentrate on one thing to the exclusion of other things?

Do you bring about a state of IN SESSION as Hubbard described it?

Or something else?

How is it something else?

[Alan]

Well, Alan. I'm curious what an old man like yourself, one who has been around the block a few times, has to say about the term "Monoideaism" and its history in mental healing.



Main Entry: mono·ide·ism
Pronunciation: -'Id-E-"iz-&m
Function: noun

: a state of prolonged absorption in a single idea (as in mental depression, trance, hypnosis)

Main Entry: poly·ide·ism
Pronunciation: "päl-E-'Id-E-"iz-&m
Function: noun

: a state of absorption in a group of related ideas or memories

A good auditor unfixes both areas.




Do you get people to concentrate on one thing to the exclusion of other things?



No! The exact reverse!

That is why I am so adamant about producing full VVVGIs.




Do you bring about a state of IN SESSION as Hubbard described it?

Or something else?

How is it something else?



"IN SESSION, the definition of in session is interested in own case and willing to talk to the auditor.

When this definition describes the session in progress, then of course the pc will be able to as-is and will cognite. (HCOB 26 Apr 73 I)"


I guess it is something else.

My definition of IN SESSION is: Interested in their own spiritual self and how their own case is interfering with them getting their own or others wants and fully being their own spiritual self and very willing to talk to the auditor about all.

Alan

[Emma]

All right.

I've been sec checked, crammed, conditioned and drilled.

I'm ready.

Bea. Are you ready?

[Bea Kiddo]

PC needs to be recovered. But is not sessionable anyways, bedtime is upon her now.

[Emma]

OOps!

There goes my stats for the week. :duh:

[Bea Kiddo]

Flunk. TR 9 start.

(Psst.... schedule a session....)

[Alan]

"IN SESSION, the definition of in session is interested in own case and willing to talk to the auditor.

When this definition describes the session in progress, then of course the pc will be able to as-is and will cognite. (HCOB 26 Apr 73 I)"



If you notice in the LRH definition - It is easy to consider the pc is his case.

This would cause a by-pass of the spiritual being.

[Alanzo]

Alan Walters wrote:


My definition of IN SESSION is: Interested in their own spiritual self and how their own case is interfering with them getting their own or others wants and fully being their own spiritual self and very willing to talk to the auditor about all. Now that is an interesting definition of IN SESSION.

So fulfilling DESIRE is the key to success in your therapy?

What about the extinguishment of DESIRE that we hear about in all these other Vedic-style practices?

Is there a point where a client fulfills all his desires in your therapy?

What happens then?

Has he "gone up the pole"?

How do you get him down?

[Alanzo]

If you notice in the LRH definition - It is easy to consider the pc is his case.

This would cause a by-pass of the spiritual being.

Totally! Absolutely!

It happens in the Church, in the Freezone, and on the Internet by Scientologists all the time.

Sometimes intentionally, I believe.

[Bea Kiddo]

Ok then. I am publicly leaving then. Nobody wants to handle me.

Emma has to go back to cramming via ethics here.

Meanwhile, I am publicly departing this thread. Therefore I demand my ESMB Session Thread Blowing SP declare. And a refund too. And the cat, and dog, and my kitchen sink too.:p

[Emma]

Flunk. TR 9 start.

(Psst.... schedule a session....)


Mmmmkay,

Uumm...how's tomorrow for you?

[Alanzo]

Ok then. I am publicly leaving then. Nobody wants to handle me.

Emma has to go back to cramming via ethics here.

Meanwhile, I am publicly departing this thread. Therefore I demand my ESMB Session Thread Blowing SP declare. And a refund too. And the cat, and dog, and my kitchen sink too.:p

Jesus Christ! This is a flap!!

EMMA!!

Who's the Qual Sec here???

Can't you people handle your end of the org board???

[Bea Kiddo]

(poor Emma getting raked over the coals here. This is what its like, for those of you who never were in Scn).

I'm gonna make this easy and recover myself. I came to my senses cause I dont want my friends from this thread to disconnect from me.

Its 11 PM and I am beat. Maybe a morning session. Around 8:30am my time ok?

[Emma]

Uummmm...Errrrr....I dunnooooo!

It's kind of unorganised around here.

I'm not a green on white girl.

I need an Org Board.

[Emma]

(poor Emma getting raked over the coals here. This is what its like, for those of you who never were in Scn).

I'm gonna make this easy and recover myself. I came to my senses cause I dont want my friends from this thread to disconnect from me.

Its 11 PM and I am beat. Maybe a morning session. Around 8:30am my time ok?

Ok Sure....8.30am..hmmmm ... I think that makes it 11.30pm my time....and I'll be out drinking and picking up men by then.

Soooo.....Take a tylenol for the headache, a gin & tonic for the terror stomache and hug your teddy bear for support. Lets try it again around 8.30pm your time?

[Alanzo]

Uummmm...Errrrr....I dunnooooo!

It's kind of unorganised around here.

I'm not a green on white girl.

I need an Org Board.

I whip them up all the time.

Coming right up.

Can this software handle Microsoft Visio?

[Zinjifar]

Uummmm...Errrrr....I dunnooooo!

It's kind of unorganised around here.

I'm not a green on white girl.

I need an Org Board.

I think you're in a condition of confusion.

The Org Board is like this fraternity style paddle used to 'rosy-up' the thinking ends of gold meritroriousnesses.

:smack:
Zinj

[Alanzo]

I think you're in a condition of confusion.

The Org Board is like this fraternity style paddle used to 'rosy-up' the thinking ends of gold meritroriousnesses.

:smack:
Zinj

Totally dude.

I'm diggin' it.

I knew where the true power was in Scientology, didn't I?

[Emma]

I think you're in a condition of confusion.

The Org Board is like this fraternity style paddle used to 'rosy-up' the thinking ends of gold meritroriousnesses.

:smack:
Zinj

Izat my butt you are spanking?

Ooh Zinj! :biglove:

[Zinjifar]

Izat my butt you are spanking?

Ooh Zinj! :biglove:

Why not? Pulling withholds is so much less pro-active :)

Zinj

[Alan]

Alan Walters wrote:

Now that is an interesting definition of IN SESSION.

So fulfilling DESIRE is the key to success in your therapy?

What about the extinguishment of DESIRE that we hear about in all these other Vedic-style practices?

Is there a point where a client fulfills all his desires in your therapy?

What happens then?

Has he "gone up the pole"?

How do you get him down?



You are super-imposing on the pc :)

To fully erase anything you need to bring it fully to view.

You ask: "Is there a point where a client fulfills all his desires in your therapy?"

I suppose so.......not happened yet - that I know of. :)

"Up the pole" is a "blow or escape" from someone or something.

When the pc has fully erased an area - the pc can mock it up or unmock it at will.

The EP is the pc can span the spectrums of all scales.

BTW it is impossible for any being in the process of restoring their full self to belong to a Cult situation.

As once the being gets on its own interest lines and own incompletes goals, dreams, etc......which is where his interest will be - you naturally let it come fully to view.

It is almost a waste of time C/Sing as things just naturally unfold. If you have the correct sequenced technology. :D

Alan

[Alanzo]

You are super-imposing on the pc :)

To fully erase anything you need to bring it fully to view.

You ask: "Is there a point where a client fulfills all his desires in your therapy?"

I suppose so.......not happened yet - that I know of. :)

"Up the pole" is a "blow or escape" from someone or something.

When the pc has fully erased an area - the pc can mock it up or unmock it at will.

The EP is the pc can span the spectrums of all scales.

BTW it is impossible for any being in the process of restoring their full self to belong to a Cult situation.

As once the being gets on its own interest lines and own incompletes goals, dreams, etc......which is where his interest will be - you naturally let it come fully to view.

It is almost a waste of time C/Sing as things just naturally unfold. If you have the correct sequenced technology. :D

Alan
Hmmm...

[Emma]

This is bizare.

I just remembered this like right this minute.

I was reading another thread on another board about OTIII. Something about being frozen in an icecube. And I remembered!!!......

Very early on in my Scientology auditing, I ran an incident (maybe the first time I ever "went wholetrack" ) of being stuck in an icecube and being taken somewhere on a spacecraft!!! And this was BEFORE I WAS EVER EXPOSED THE THE XENU STORY!!!

Was I running my OT case?

Or.....

Something else?

[Div6]

This is bizare.

I just remembered this like right this minute.

I was reading another thread on another board about OTIII. Something about being frozen in an icecube. And I remembered!!!......

Very early on in my Scientology auditing, I ran an incident (maybe the first time I ever "went wholetrack" ) of being stuck in an icecube and being taken somewhere on a spacecraft!!! And this was BEFORE I WAS EVER EXPOSED THE THE XENU STORY!!!

Was I running my OT case?

Or.....

Something else?



Case is case.....

Using Ice Cubes to transport beings has been quite a common practice in this Galaxy, used by both the Markabians as well as the Galactic Federation, and others. It is used to "ship the trash out" of the galactic core areas (you don't want to go there). Earth people have no recorded history beyond the last "ice age" that they can normally recall.

[Emma]

Case is case.....

Using Ice Cubes to transport beings has been quite a common practice in this Galaxy, used by both the Markabians as well as the Galactic Federation, and others. It is used to "ship the trash out" of the galactic core areas (you don't want to go there). Earth people have no recorded history beyond the last "ice age" that they can normally recall.

Well this is interesting.

I didn't mention it before but I wasn't dropped in a volcano. I was dropped in the ocean. And it was a diamond shaped "cube". It was blue and shiny like ice.

I did have an extensive drug history before Scientology.

:giggle:

[Div6]

Well this is interesting.

I didn't mention it before but I wasn't dropped in a volcano. I was dropped in the ocean. And it was a diamond shaped "cube". It was blue and shiny like ice.

I did have an extensive drug history before Scientology.

:giggle:

Yah....

We all have extensive drug histories.

Some of the most intense pleasure moments I have recalled were in taking up a whale body after being dumped in the ocean in a cube. It was quite a welcome relief from the insanity closer to the galactic core....

And oh, what those whale girls can do to you....:eyeroll:

[Alanzo]

Well this is interesting.

I didn't mention it before but I wasn't dropped in a volcano. I was dropped in the ocean. And it was a diamond shaped "cube". It was blue and shiny like ice.

I did have an extensive drug history before Scientology.

:giggle:

Well all right!

Welcome to Earth, little thetan!

[Div6]

<snip>
It is almost a waste of time C/Sing as things just naturally unfold. If you have the correct sequenced technology. :D

Alan

This has been my experience as well. The CoS dives into "Repair" programs and "Progress" programs instead of letting the PC\Pre OT have his wins and progress naturally. The CC to III route has just taken time, but unfolded naturally for me. Minimal C\S'ing needed.

[Veda]

Case is case.....

Using Ice Cubes to transport beings has been quite a common practice in this Galaxy, used by both the Markabians as well as the Galactic Federation, and others. It is used to "ship the trash out" of the galactic core areas (you don't want to go there). Earth people have no recorded history beyond the last "ice age" that they can normally recall.

"Packing beings into ice cubes for transport, and dumping," is described as "the Ice Cube" in the Scientology book, 'History of Man', otherwise known as "a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years."

[Vinaire]

If you notice in the LRH definition - It is easy to consider the pc is his case.

This would cause a by-pass of the spiritual being.


Totally! Absolutely!

It happens in the Church, in the Freezone, and on the Internet by Scientologists all the time.

Sometimes intentionally, I believe.

That is called "having a misunderstood."

There is a lot of stuff in LRH's writings that can be better explained.

.

[Vinaire]

The Semitic viewpoint is very susceptible to misunderstood because it has never understood Scientology Axiom # 1 in the first place.

It looks at everything from the reference point of MEST.

.

[Bea Kiddo]

Ok Sure....8.30am..hmmmm ... I think that makes it 11.30pm my time....and I'll be out drinking and picking up men by then.

Soooo.....Take a tylenol for the headache, a gin & tonic for the terror stomache and hug your teddy bear for support. Lets try it again around 8.30pm your time?

Now THAT'S what I call a great excuse. I CANNOT interfere with that!! NO way. Thats sacred.

So 8:30 Pm it is then.

[Bea Kiddo]

I'm here. 1 minute to session time.... :nervous:

[Bea Kiddo]

screw this place then. I am outta here and never coming back!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:

[Emma]

Oops!

..................................

ring ring.....ring ring.....ring ring.....

"hello Bea? It's Emma"

"yes I know"

"It's not acceptable - I agree"

"I need to get you rescheduled"

"how about tomorrow"

"alright - that's good"

"seeya then - be sessionable"

click.

Phew!!!

[Bea Kiddo]

32 minutes....

[Bea Kiddo]

It's hopeless. What can you do. What can I do anyways.

Buncha nuts here anyways. Might as well start collecting them. Put 'em all in a bag and roast 'em. Can't eat them cause of the dirt. I gotta eat straight dirt. Not that. Just something. Not hungry. People. Not people. Amen. Cats and horses.

My dog is hungry. Feed it again. The mice or ants. Thats the big question. :nervous:

The most evil are the windows. They can see what you are doing.:grouch:

Don't, Stop.

Feeling carpets now.

[Emma]

Allllrighty then!

Are you ready for your session?

[Bea Kiddo]

NO!!!!!!!

[Emma]

Why not?

[Bea Kiddo]

See post 199.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

( Hint: TR9)

[Emma]

Ok....I understand.

The C/S has instructed me to take you into session right now.

How much sleep have you had?

8 hours is fine.

Have you eaten today?

Good.

Here we go, just come in here and take a seat & we'll get started.......

[Bea Kiddo]

:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:

[Emma]

OK. We've established that you are well fed & rested.

Have you had any drugs or alcohol recently? No..good.

Squeeze the cans please...... Thankyou.

Take a deep breath & let it out......Thankyou.

Is there any reason you can think of to not start this session? ....Good.

THIS IS THE SESSION!!

We are going to go back to your last session and take another look at something that came up in that last session.

I asked you if you had an ARCX and you mentioned the incident where your bird ate your fish, but only half of him.

Do you remember that?

[Bea Kiddo]

:yes:

Hi Emma. Thank you for taking back in session.

I like you.

[Emma]

You are welcome :) I like you too.

Now...do you recall that ARCX we were discussing in the last session?

[Bea Kiddo]

I SAID YES!!!! (or at least I nodded).

My poor fishey. I ate the rest of him. I know everybody was wondering about that....

[Emma]

Thank you for telling me.

I'm going to reassess that ARCX.

Was that a break in:

Affinity? X
Reality? X
Communication? X
Understanding? X

On the question "Was that a break in affinity?" has anything been supressed? X

On the question "Was that a break in reality?" has anything been supressed? X

On the question "Was that a break in communication?" has anything been supressed? X

On the question "Was that a break in understanding?" has anything been supressed? F

Was that a break in understanding?

[Bea Kiddo]

Yes. It was!!!!

[Emma]

Excellent!

I'd like to indicate that WAS a break in understanding.

You needle is floating!

I have another question from the C/S and I will check that with you now.

What is the definition of ESMB?

[Bea Kiddo]

If you fucking ask for a MWH, I wanna know what my natter was first.

Shit.

Ok. ESMB is this message board, where people sit around, drink coffee and shoot the shit about their past. And they laugh and cry.:happydance:

[Emma]

Thankyou.

What does this question mean to you:

"Has someone on ESMB missed a withhold on you?" (LFBD)

[Bea Kiddo]

Why am I getting that?

[Emma]

I'll repeat the auditing question:

What does this question mean to you:

"Has someone on ESMB missed a withhold on you?"

[Bea Kiddo]

You are asking if someone on this board almost found out about something bad I have done.

[Emma]

Thank you.

Has someone on ESMB missed a withhold on you?

[Bea Kiddo]

Sure!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got thousands of overts. Pick whichever you want and run it. Shit.

[Emma]

I'll repeat the auditing question:

Has someone on ESMB missed a withhold on you? (LF)

That! What was that?

[Bea Kiddo]

(Flunk, steering on wrong read)

Well, its about the bird.

[Emma]

Bullshit!

It was instant not a steer.

[Emma]

What withhold was missed regarding the bird?

[Bea Kiddo]

Bullshit!

It was instant not a steer.

How do you steer on an instant read? You cant. Its reacting on the bank. You need to clay demo this here. (I'm not trying to pick on you, looks like someone may have mistrained you here)

[Bea Kiddo]

What withhold was missed regarding the bird?

He made so mad a squeezed him till his eyes popped out. I guess I kind killled him.:bigcry:

[Emma]

How do you steer on an instant read? You cant. Its reacting on the bank. You need to clay demo this here.

Nooooo..... When I checked the question I got a LFBD. i.e some of the charge bled off already.

You need to clay demo what a B/D is.

When I rechecked I got a LF (instant). I'll now use that read to steer.

[Bea Kiddo]

Nooooo..... When I checked the question I got a LFBD. i.e some of the charge bled off already.

You need to clay demo what a B/D is.

When I rechecked I got a LF (instant). I'll now use that read to steer.

Whatever lady. You are running the session.

If you were my auditor, and I were the C/S, you'd be in cramming. BUT, we are on a MB, and we are goffing around, so ok. Do it.

charge bled off? WTF? Same thought will ALWAYS read the same. someone has mistrained you.

Whatever. No biggie.

[Emma]

Whatever lady. You are running the session.

If you were my auditor, and I were the C/S, you'd be in cramming. BUT, we are on a MB, and we are goffing around, so ok. Do it.

charge bled off? WTF? Same thought will ALWAYS read the same. someone has mistrained you.

Whatever. No biggie.

Sooooo..per your training...If I got one div of TA on asking the question, I can only steer on getting an identical one div of TA? The PC will run out of TA before that happens.

[Bea Kiddo]

Actually, yes. (if you got that big of a read, it will make the TA go up and back down again. 1 Div BD is not that common. Maybe 1/10th a div, sure).

No BIGGIE.

---

[Emma]

In the last session we handled the withhold of killing the bird.

Is there a different withhold that has been missed? LF

[Bea Kiddo]

Oh!! Nice one.

Lessee..... hm.. Yeah I guess so.

I mean, I guess about the fish. Yeah.

Oh!! One time I was mean and I took him out of his tank and let him flop around on the floor for a while, gasping for (water?). Yeah. Was for 2 minutes.

[Emma]

Thanks!

(F/N)

Who missed it?

[Alan]

Geez! Thats a long comm. lag.....1 hour and 5 mins - so far......

[Emma]

She passed out. I took her to the Introspection Room.

God help her.

[namaste]

Maybe it was the goldfish that she ate.

[Little Bear Victor]

Oh shit, did she sign the waivers before she passed out?

(I've done PR and propaganda training so I qualify to C/S anything.)

[Emma]

She didn't sign anything.....

But I can probably forge something, she won't remember.

Greatest good and all that!!

[Little Bear Victor]

She didn't sign anything.....

But I can probably forge something, she won't remember.

Greatest good and all that!!

Okay, that's fine then. Where's your next PC? What are you waiting around for?

(I'm also D of P, doublehatted. Never worked in Tech before but I was transferred here yesterday when the earlier D of P was found to have had an out-2D with the C/S and both were put on MEST work and sec checking, in preparation for their RPF assignment. I've done STCC so I know how to handle PC originations. I did some call-in on all-hands basis also, so I'm pretty well trained.)

[Emma]

Okay, that's fine then. Where's your next PC? What are you waiting around for?

(I'm also D of P, doublehatted. Never worked in Tech before but I was transferred here yesterday when the earlier D of P was found to have had an out-2D with the C/S and both were put on MEST work and sec checking, in preparation for their RPF assignment. I've done STCC so I know how to handle PC originations. I did some call-in on all-hands basis also, so I'm pretty well trained.)


D of Ps are NEVER tech trained from my experience. :no:

So you'll do.

Find me a PC and I'll audit the poor bastard. I have to warn you though, my certs are all cancelled, my TRs suck, I'm PTS to the eyeballs and an illegal PC to boot.

I posted my PTS declare earlier...maybe I should post all my ethics stuff. Maybe THAT might get me the SP Declare I covet to dearly.

[Alan]

(I've done PR and propaganda training so I qualify to C/S anything.)



Classic line!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Little Bear Victor]

D of Ps are NEVER tech trained from my experience. :no:

So you'll do.

Find me a PC and I'll audit the poor bastard. I have to warn you though, my certs are all cancelled, my TRs suck, I'm PTS to the eyeballs and an illegal PC to boot.

I posted my PTS declare earlier...maybe I should post all my ethics stuff. Maybe THAT might get me the SP Declare I covet to dearly.

Well, despite all my PR training I couldn't find anyone on the street that would be willing to do a session unless it was on the subject of some galactic overlord by the name of "Genu." I don't know what that's all about -- there must be some new movie out or something.

But, for lack of anything better to do, I could go in for a session -- I haven't had one in almost 15 years now. Time and money, you know.

I don't care if your certs are cancelled, your TRs suck, you are PTS to the eyeballs (whose eyeballs?) and an illegal pc. If your breath shows up on the mirror, you can audit! Are you an auditor or aren't you? (See, all that PR training is shining right on through.)

(Damn! I'm learning new things from Alanzo! I must be going in the right direction. I can feel the power...)

Anyways, I have lots of critical thoughts about DM. If you pull them all and post them, it'll help us both, I'm sure. And you may get your SP declare faster, too. And if that doesn't do it, I'll send you mine. Or a notarized copy thereof. I can even sign it. I'll do anything!

I can already feel a critical thought coming up just thinking about this...

V

(Now, this is totally confidential, right? Like what I tell you you won't tell anyone else?)

[Bea Kiddo]

Just because you have a critical thought about something that derserves criticism, doesnt mean you have an overt.

So, if you have a critical thought then, how should we process?


tell me another

and another


very good, another.

And another.

Now, post 'em online.


very good.

another


and another....

----


we love critical thoughts around here. No MWH pulling here!! Only ice cream and cake!!!:wink2:

[Little Bear Victor]

Just because you have a critical thought about something that derserves criticism, doesnt mean you have an overt.

So, if you have a critical thought then, how should we process?


tell me another

and another


very good, another.

And another.

Now, post 'em online.


very good.

another


and another....

----


we love critical thoughts around here. No MWH pulling here!! Only ice cream and cake!!!:wink2:

I'm easy, I'll take ice cream and cake instead. Sounds like much more fun, actually. I always have prided myself for being other intentioned.

[Bea Kiddo]

Nice LBV!!!


(Emma!!! You left me mid session and I am STILL SICK!!!):duh:

[Little Bear Victor]

Nice LBV!!!


(Emma!!! You left me mid session and I am STILL SICK!!!):duh:

I'm going to go get her. She must be reading that internet thing again. Like she's addicted or something.

[Div6]

I'm going to go get her. She must be reading that internet thing again. Like she's addicted or something.

Pick up the cans.

Tired?

Hungry?

Any reason not to begin?

[Bea Kiddo]

Who me?

Or Victor?

(Did you notice I turned from a cute girl to a sourpuss?):D

[Little Bear Victor]

Who me?

Or Victor?

(Did you notice I turned from a cute girl to a sourpuss?):D

Her, take her!

[Div6]

Who me?

Or Victor?

(Did you notice I turned from a cute girl to a sourpuss?):D

Victor...
Yeah I noticed. I would like to indicate that
You have had out-tech committed on you.

[Little Bear Victor]

Victor...
Yeah I noticed. I would like to indicate that
You have had out-tech committed on you.

What, me? I'm busy eating ice cream and cake!