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Truth&Honesty
17th June 2010, 01:39 AM
Roger Friedman has a new article out on Scientology's poster boy:



Here's a sample......

Tom Cruise is in the pr fight of his life.


To try and ensure that “Knight and Day,” his $100 million movie with Cameron Diaz, gets a decent launch, Fox is not having a US premiere. That’s right–no big gala in New York or Los Angeles. And aside from long-lead magazine screenings, critics may have to see the film at sneak showings this weekend.

Instead, the “Knight and Day” premiere takes place today in…Seville, Spain. Hello? Seville is not exactly either Madrid or Barcelona. Or even London. But the idea is to keep Cruise away from the American press long enough to give “Knight and Day” a successful send off in Europe. That’s because Cruise’s nutty behavior, the Scientology stuff, Oprah couch jumping, and glassy eyed Katie Holmes are not an issue in places where people don’t speak English.

“Knight and Day” has its all media screenings tomorrow night, with journalists instructed to hold off on reviews until next week when the film opens. (We’ll see how well that works.) In the meantime, those who’ve seen it have told me it’s enjoyable but not substantial. It’s basically a travelogue for two smiling Hollywood stars. (We’ll see how well that works, too.)

The Cruise machine has already revved up by using the Les Grossman character from “Tropic Thunder,” perhaps overdoing it. No one in their right mind expects there to be a feature movie about that obnoxious and off putting character. Perhaps the best Cruise got out of it was on the MTV Video Awards, dancing with Jennifer Lopez. Hopefully, someone will explain to him that more is more, and leave it at that........

For complete story.....go to website:

http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/06/16/tom-cruise-new-100-mil-film-has-no-us-premiere

........

Smilla
17th June 2010, 01:45 AM
Interesting. Cameron Diaz is kinda yesterdays lady too. Certainly not top rank Hollywood anymore.

GreyWolf
17th June 2010, 02:12 AM
It doesn't sound like I movie I would pay to go see.

Cattack
17th June 2010, 02:16 AM
"The Cruise machine has already revved up by using the Les Grossman character from “Tropic Thunder,” perhaps overdoing it. No one in their right mind expects there to be a feature movie about that obnoxious and off putting character."

I loved Tropic Thunder and I think with Ben Stiller writing (and directing?) it could be pretty funny. So I respectfully disagree. Tom does need to wake the fuck up but it's stupid for us to be so hardened in our perceptions that if
Tom does something funny we deny it. That, in my opinion, makes us look like a bunch of curmudgeons.

"obnoxious and off putting character"? I'm not a comedy aficionado but I think there have been some successful comedic characters that have had those criteria featured as part of their persona.

I fear some of us critics are too quick to generalize and start thinking in "black hat"/"white hat" style.

Something similar to, "Tom Cruise supports David Miscavige therefore everything he does is bad in someway."

Is that really true?

I understand where you're coming from but let's not get carried away.

Before we know it we'll be saying something like, "Doesn't he walk stupid too!? Plus when he blinks I can just tell he's an asshole."

We don't need criticism at this level to be effective. It can make us look bad.

Iknowtoomuch
17th June 2010, 02:24 AM
Seems somewhat unfair about Cruise directly....but the movie looks pretty bad.

Ulf K. Maier
17th June 2010, 02:41 AM
"The Cruise machine has already revved up by using the Les Grossman character from “Tropic Thunder,” perhaps overdoing it. No one in their right mind expects there to be a feature movie about that obnoxious and off putting character."

I loved Tropic Thunder and I think with Ben Stiller writing (and directing?) it could be pretty funny. So I respectfully disagree. Tom does need to wake the fuck up but it's stupid for us to be so hardened in our perceptions that if
Tom does something funny we deny it. That, in my opinion, makes us look like a bunch of curmudgeons.

"obnoxious and off putting character"? I'm not a comedy aficionado but I think there have been some successful comedic characters that have had those criteria featured as part of their persona.

I fear some of us critics are too quick to generalize and start thinking in "black hat"/"white hat" style.

Something similar to, "Tom Cruise supports David Miscavige therefore everything he does is bad in someway."

Is that really true?

I understand where you're coming from but let's not get carried away.

Before we know it we'll be saying something like, "Doesn't he walk stupid too!? Plus when he blinks I can just tell he's an asshole."

We don't need criticism at this level to be effective. It can make us look bad.

I liked TC in "Collateral". He played an amoral assassin really, really well.

Sassy
17th June 2010, 02:42 AM
I will probably pay to see the film. I believe he will wake from his Scio-coma sooner than later & ditch the whole thing, including his two-time best man. I think it's been long enough since the couch-jumping fiasco & his big mouth flapping about post-partum depression that the public has forgotten. Won't be a blockbuster but it'll probably hold it's own.

thetanic
17th June 2010, 02:46 AM
I liked TC in "Collateral". He played an amoral assassin really, really well.

What's actually bothered me about various Scn actors is that they tend to be getting only the anti-social parts of late. I mentioned Jason Dohring in another thread. Look at Giovanni Ribisi's role in Avatar for another.

Do they think this reflects well on their faith?

Cattack
17th June 2010, 02:47 AM
Seems somewhat unfair about Cruise directly....but the movie looks pretty bad.

Understood. Did you like Tropic Thunder? Surprisingly, I really did. Many people didn't. On the one hand I hope the Les Grossman movie is successful and on the other I fear it may promote the church indirectly so I'm a little torn. But I think no matter how funny it may or may not be, the church is a ghost rattling it's last piece of chain while having mic'd hidden speakers in the bushes and a past due electricity bill.

Time is on our side.

Yes it is.

Miss Penguin
17th June 2010, 02:52 AM
I actually enjoy Tom Cruise's movies. I'm not a fan of his bromance with David Miscavige, but I enjoy his work. Knight and Day looked entertaining and I'll be seeing it.

thetanic
17th June 2010, 02:57 AM
Understood. Did you like Tropic Thunder? Surprisingly, I really did. Many people didn't.

I liked it, and the only reason I saw it in theatres was that Cruise didn't have a major part. I don't go to movies (or buy them) if they have a Scn in top billing.

zeropointreference
17th June 2010, 03:19 AM
Roger Friedman has a new article out on Scientology's poster boy:



Here's a sample......

Tom Cruise is in the pr fight of his life.


To try and ensure that “Knight and Day,” his $100 million movie with Cameron Diaz, gets a decent launch, Fox is not having a US premiere. That’s right–no big gala in New York or Los Angeles. And aside from long-lead magazine screenings, critics may have to see the film at sneak showings this weekend.

Instead, the “Knight and Day” premiere takes place today in…Seville, Spain. Hello? Seville is not exactly either Madrid or Barcelona. Or even London. But the idea is to keep Cruise away from the American press long enough to give “Knight and Day” a successful send off in Europe. That’s because Cruise’s nutty behavior, the Scientology stuff, Oprah couch jumping, and glassy eyed Katie Holmes are not an issue in places where people don’t speak English.

“Knight and Day” has its all media screenings tomorrow night, with journalists instructed to hold off on reviews until next week when the film opens. (We’ll see how well that works.) In the meantime, those who’ve seen it have told me it’s enjoyable but not substantial. It’s basically a travelogue for two smiling Hollywood stars. (We’ll see how well that works, too.)

The Cruise machine has already revved up by using the Les Grossman character from “Tropic Thunder,” perhaps overdoing it. No one in their right mind expects there to be a feature movie about that obnoxious and off putting character. Perhaps the best Cruise got out of it was on the MTV Video Awards, dancing with Jennifer Lopez. Hopefully, someone will explain to him that more is more, and leave it at that........

For complete story.....go to website:

http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/06/16/tom-cruise-new-100-mil-film-has-no-us-premiere

........
















Never liked Tom Cruise except for Risky Business. It's just opinion, Scientology or no Scientology. Won't see this movie. Have no desire. And it's funny when TC in conversation the first place most seem to go is how nutty he is. Regardless of everything, TC's reputation is very damaged and have a hard time taking him seriously.

Cattack
17th June 2010, 03:22 AM
I liked it, and the only reason I saw it in theatres was that Cruise didn't have a major part. I don't go to movies (or buy them) if they have a Scn in top billing.

Agreed. I won't donate. It's just an indirect reg cycle.

JBTrendy
17th June 2010, 03:39 AM
Instead, the “Knight and Day” premiere takes place today in…Seville, Spain. Hello? Seville is not exactly either Madrid or Barcelona. Or even London. But the idea is to keep Cruise away from the American press long enough to give “Knight and Day” a successful send off in Europe. That’s because Cruise’s nutty behavior, the Scientology stuff, Oprah couch jumping, and glassy eyed Katie Holmes are not an issue in places where people don’t speak English.


Dear TH,

Thanks for the news and I just wanted to tell you that in France where we're not known as very good in English we are pretty briefed on what is happening in the US especially when it has to see with celebrities that we can laugh about.

Tom Cruise coach episode was very well covered here and he lost a lot of his prestige after that. I don't know how it was received in other European countries but I guess pretty much the same.

His dance with Jennifer Lopez was much better considered and I guess that through this performance he out-created some of the bad effects of the coach thing.

Anyway Scientology has never been perceived positically over here and to see big Hollywood stars supporting it has very much worked as an anti-button so far due to cultural gap.

:coolwink::coolwink::coolwink:

Iknowtoomuch
17th June 2010, 04:00 AM
Understood. Did you like Tropic Thunder? Surprisingly, I really did. Many people didn't. On the one hand I hope the Les Grossman movie is successful and on the other I fear it may promote the church indirectly so I'm a little torn. But I think no matter how funny it may or may not be, the church is a ghost rattling it's last piece of chain while having mic'd hidden speakers in the bushes and a past due electricity bill.

Time is on our side.

Yes it is.



I thought it was terrible.
Just to clarify, I can't watch any TC movies anymore because all i can think about is Scientology and wtf he's still in it.

well_that_sucked
17th June 2010, 04:07 AM
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Terril park
17th June 2010, 02:05 PM
Never liked Tom Cruise except for Risky Business. It's just opinion, Scientology or no Scientology. Won't see this movie. Have no desire. And it's funny when TC in conversation the first place most seem to go is how nutty he is. Regardless of everything, TC's reputation is very damaged and have a hard time taking him seriously.

I still think Risky Business was his best movie. The script was brilliant. :)

Div6
17th June 2010, 02:17 PM
Interesting. Cameron Diaz is kinda yesterdays lady too. Certainly not top rank Hollywood anymore.

Um, shes in the top 10 of the highest paid females in Hollywood, sitting at number 5 (http://movies.ndtv.com/gallerydetails.aspx?id=4263&category=Movies&picno=1&section=Hollywood&ShowID=0#BD)

You don't think she would do a movie with Tom Cruise for NOTHING, do you? :omg:

KissMyStats
17th June 2010, 02:19 PM
I have enjoyed almost all of TC's movies so might give this one a chance. I'm not a big Sean Penn or Maddona fan (as far as their personal lives or beliefs) but I love his movies and her music.

Although, if I think about his IAS event Medal of Freedom Valor and All Things Spectacular speech long enough I might be too sick to go. :whistling:

Div6
17th June 2010, 02:20 PM
I still think Risky Business was his best movie. The script was brilliant. :)

I thought his performance in "Magnolia" was perhaps the most honest of his career.

Lurker5
17th June 2010, 02:47 PM
(snip) . . . I can't watch any TC movies anymore because all i can think about is Scientology and wtf he's still in it.

Same here.

ULRC/S
17th June 2010, 02:53 PM
By far the best TC movie, IMO, is "The Last Samuri".

He honours the Japanese warrior Budo tradition, and we have watched it at least 4 times now.

Regards, Allen

AngeloV
17th June 2010, 06:11 PM
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'nuff said. I do not and will not support him by paying to watch his movies.

Mick Wenlock
17th June 2010, 07:00 PM
I am not a huge pro or anti fan of Cruise the actor. There have been movies of his I enjoyed - Last Samurai, Top Gun, Mission Impossible (the first one) A Few Good Men, Jerry Maguire and ones where I thought he just did not have the talent - Eyes Wide Shut, Minority Report, Interview with the Vampire and then ones that I thought he just sucked mightily War of the Worlds, Born on the 4th July, The Firm, Far and Away.

That makes him an actor I do not bother to go and see in a movie just because he is in it. I don't avoid them because of that either he just has not that much appeal for me.

IN contrast to that I usually will add a Travolta movie to my Netflix queue whether the reviews have been good or bad because, generally, I have enjoyed his movies.

xseaorguk
17th June 2010, 07:08 PM
I liked 'War of the Worlds', but I think he always plays the same kind of guy in his films and considering that he must be nearly 50 now his time as the 'boy next door' or 'sexy young guy' are soon over and he will have to learn to act other character-roles
He is pretty small in stature and is not ageing well, I find.
Tom Cruise's best days are over and he will probably live off what he has done so far and his celebrity status until he is old.
He will probaby never want to be connected to $cientology again, as it has harmed his image and if he is getting profi advice he will learn to keep his mouth shut.
I would, however, love it if he did further promote the cult and speak out as he has done in the past, as it gives us more to laugh about.:happydance:

pollywannacracker
17th June 2010, 09:25 PM
I liked 'War of the Worlds', but I think he always plays the same kind of guy in his films and considering that he must be nearly 50 now his time as the 'boy next door' or 'sexy young guy' are soon over and he will have to learn to act other character-roles
He is pretty small in stature and is not ageing well, I find.
Tom Cruise's best days are over and he will probably live off what he has done so far and his celebrity status until he is old.
He will probaby never want to be connected to $cientology again, as it has harmed his image and if he is getting profi advice he will learn to keep his mouth shut.
I would, however, love it if he did further promote the cult and speak out as he has done in the past, as it gives us more to laugh about.:happydance:

It's his Scn moments that have me rolling!

I find that his range of characters is very limited. The few times that I have seen his films that don't stay in the same character range, I kinda felt that he needed to become more "true" to the character.

Unfortunately, I think that his best portrayals are the characters that may be more like his natural personality, so he doesn't stray far from course. This is definately been exhibited during his interviews where he talks up scn. So, nah, won't be seeing this film either.

-PWC

Axiom142
17th June 2010, 10:24 PM
"The Cruise machine has already revved up by using the Les Grossman character from “Tropic Thunder,” perhaps overdoing it. No one in their right mind expects there to be a feature movie about that obnoxious and off putting character."

I loved Tropic Thunder and I think with Ben Stiller writing (and directing?) it could be pretty funny. So I respectfully disagree. Tom does need to wake the fuck up but it's stupid for us to be so hardened in our perceptions that if
Tom does something funny we deny it. That, in my opinion, makes us look like a bunch of curmudgeons.

"obnoxious and off putting character"? I'm not a comedy aficionado but I think there have been some successful comedic characters that have had those criteria featured as part of their persona.

I fear some of us critics are too quick to generalize and start thinking in "black hat"/"white hat" style.

Something similar to, "Tom Cruise supports David Miscavige therefore everything he does is bad in someway."

Is that really true?

I understand where you're coming from but let's not get carried away.

Before we know it we'll be saying something like, "Doesn't he walk stupid too!? Plus when he blinks I can just tell he's an asshole."

We don't need criticism at this level to be effective. It can make us look bad.

Who is this 'we' and 'us'?

Isn’t tarring everyone with the same brush rather at odds with the point you are making?

Like many others here I have enjoyed several of TC’s movies. Some parts he is very good in, others not so – especially those that require him to play a character that isn’t him.

I have never been one to bash someone for being a Scientologist, but I reserve the right to criticise them for supporting a regime that is clearing abusing people’s human rights and ironically the antithesis of what they say they are supporting.

Axiom142

HelluvaHoax!
17th June 2010, 10:41 PM
I have never been one to bash someone for being a Scientologist, but I reserve the right to criticise them for supporting a regime that is clearing abusing people’s human rights and ironically the antithesis of what they say they are supporting.
Axiom142
Exactly!

Cruise gives mega millions to his buddy COB so that it can be (knowingly or unknowingly) used to coverup the beatings and human rights atrocities.

Then Cruise gives even more so that when the victim has enough inner-strength to escape they are hunted down like an animal with BlowDrills.

Then Cruise gives even more so that when the victim has recovered enough from the abuse to begin to blow the whistle, COB can hire teams of OSA and PI's to fair game them and destroy them utterly.

Cruise was given notice of this by his attorney and other advisors. And he can read (newspapers, internet, books...)

Cruise said "I just don't believe it." Wait! Wait....

The jury has just come out, hang on a second.....



JURY FOREMAN

We the jury find the defendant, Tom Cruise, GUILTY as charged. Further we found his arrogant, self-serving support of evil to be both repugnant and inexcusable. We find that he is complicit in the beatings, stalkings and criminal operations against people who don't like being beaten, lied to and enslaved. We find Tom Cruise to be no different than David Miscavich and recommend that all people of good conscience resist and combat his evil with any legal or moral means available.

fortymarriedandbalding
18th June 2010, 10:39 AM
Tom Cruise is one of several actors who almost always irritates me. THis was the case long before I knew of his Scientology links.

The only thing I liked him in was Taps. Interestinly, the character he played, with his blind devotion to the cause of his group, it much how he is now as a scientologist.

Kerry
18th June 2010, 11:40 AM
I thought Tom was superb in Magnolia. The scenes where he's being "interrogated"/interviewed were pretty flawless if you ask me. Other than Magnolia, and Collateral for his acting like a sociopath perfectly, I don't think he's more than a merely ok/competent actor. And maybe Magnolia and Collateral were great because they required him to be like Miscavige. Who knows.

I won't support a film where CoS will benefit in any way, and until Hollywood as a whole gets the nerve to quit denying that corporate Scientology is a recruiting ground for its own interests, I won't go to any movies or watch any TV programs with CoS Scientologists in them.

Hard on the rest of the innocent crew (wait... ARE they so innocent....?) but that's where I'm at. I don't think they are so innocent - I think they have the choice to say No, and they shouldn't have to but I wish they would: take a significant personal stand against human rights abuses - collectively they have the power to do this. Scientologists who blow are putting their eternity at risk; why can't actors at least put some bucks on the line. After all, there are other movies to audition for.

Gee Tom and Davey, why so dour/angry-young-man looking? Who did you think your audience would be? HA, Miscavige's cycle has the ultimate spaceship front to it. Imagine these two men in government. I'm sure that's where they're imagining themselves. Or were...

Does anyone believe/know that Cruise knows about the abuses?

nosciento
19th June 2010, 08:35 AM
Boy, I knew one of his sister's when studying @ CCNY. They are a great and loving family. I am torn for I no longer wish to see a TC film until he deals with the DM connection. Like you all, I've heard his lawyer is privvy to all...and yet TC remains shielded. Is there not someone around this guy who can show him how to type: "Google," "Scientology," "Wikipedia," and let him follow the links? I believe the COS/DM used him and will drag him down to the lower depths..perhaps never to emerge. TC is a talent but he better wake up or nobody will remember that...They'll just remember the Scn connection:(

thetanic
19th June 2010, 11:45 AM
See, this is a perfect opportunity to stay over at a multiplex after paying for another movie -- if you really want to see it, that is. That's how I saw Tropic Thunder. I won't add to revenues of films where Scns get high billing.

rhansrider
19th June 2010, 04:26 PM
From The New York Magazine:

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/06/tom_cruise_knight_and_day.html

Fox Struggles to Overcome the Tom Cruise Problem with Knight and Day

How to save Knight and Day? The film, which by many accounts is a perfectly entertaining summer action blockbuster, is tracking miserably as it heads into its first week, and Fox is scrambling to do all it can to pump up its initial grosses: Earlier this month it pushed the film's opening date up from Friday, June 25th to Wednesday, June 23rd, hoping to accumulate some good, uncontested word of mouth before heading into a weekend battle against Adam Sandlers's Grown Ups. And then the studio decided to show sneak previews of the film in 500 theaters this Saturday night to work up even more buzz. All of this is in the hope that the quality of the film can overcome what looks like one of the film's biggest handicaps: its star, Tom Cruise.

While having one of the most well-known movie stars in the world is certainly an asset, when it's Cruise, it's also a liability. E-Poll Market Research data shows that while 88% of audiences recognize his name and 83% his face, his favorability rating is now just 37%. That's a huge dip from 2004, when 64% of Americans found him likable; that was one year before his devastating War of the Worlds "wait, is he crazy?" publicity tour. Whether consciously or not, with its marketing campaign Fox has articulated the mixed feelings of any studio advertising a Tom Cruise movie: The K&D poster has CRUISE and DIAZ in big letters, but never shows the actors's faces. Instead, there are just white silhouettes of two running, pistol-packing figures. It's as if Fox is graphically saying, "We've got Tom Cruise! But on second thought, maybe best not to brag about that…"

The recent tracking data shared with Vulture by one studio source shows that only 31% of those polled expressed "definite interest" in seeing K&D. For context, the similarly-themed (and terrible) Fox film Killers scored two points higher at this point, while Mr. and Mrs. Smith, which also has the same feel, polled 48%. Worse, awareness of the Cruise/Diaz film is stuck at 72%. Privately, even a Fox insider admits that “at those numbers, we can’t open the movie right now. Hopefully, they’ll change in the next few days.”

K&D's other looming problem is it has no wiggle room. Toy Story 3 is going to be a powerhouse this weekend, and its second-week gross will almost surely be at least $50 million, further cutting into the Cruise/Diaz opening. And on top of that competition, there's Grown Ups. The difference in awareness and interest in the two comedies is, well, night and day: Fully 81% of those surveyed were aware of Grown Ups (compared to 72% for Cruise's film), and 41% cited "definite interest," ten points higher than K&D. And if Cruise manages to crawl through that week, beaten but still breathing, what does he face the next week? Twilight: Eclipse. That ain't good.

What’s sad about the impending mess is that by all accounts, the buzz on K&D is quite good: It’s directed by James Mangold (3:10 to Yuma, Walk the Line); Diaz comes off ditzy-but-charming; Cruise is deadly, funny and winsome - finally, the guy we’d want to know, or at least spend a couple hours with. And internationally, Cruise remains a huge star. It's not like Fox wasn't aware of the cons of hiring Cruise for a $125 million film, which makes its no-room-for-error scheduling amidst such heavy-hitters all the more perplexing. So unless Twitter lights up with "f.u. team edward, see #knightandday" this week, Fox is more likely to have a Cruise bomb instead of its hoped for Cruise missile.

Lavalyte
20th June 2010, 11:28 AM
I liked 'War of the Worlds', but I think he always plays the same kind of guy in his films and considering that he must be nearly 50 now his time as the 'boy next door' or 'sexy young guy' are soon over and he will have to learn to act other character-roles
He is pretty small in stature and is not ageing well, I find.
Tom Cruise's best days are over and he will probably live off what he has done so far and his celebrity status until he is old.
He will probaby never want to be connected to $cientology again, as it has harmed his image and if he is getting profi advice he will learn to keep his mouth shut.
I would, however, love it if he did further promote the cult and speak out as he has done in the past, as it gives us more to laugh about.:happydance:

As a friend of my wife describes Tom Cruise movies, "A little man who runs a lot".

J. Swift
20th June 2010, 07:37 PM
Cruise helps to pay for DM's $650 a day PI's that follow and harass people. Cruise helps to fund Fair Game, Disconnection, and forced abortions. I have boycotted Tom Cruise films for years for this reason. I look at Cruise and see him wedded to DM and DM's reign of terror. The leaked "Go to Guns" video is what Culture sees when it thinks of Tom Cruise. That video was toxic.

K&D will probably fare well overseas and with rentals. I don't see why it wont do >$75 million in the US. Based on Valkyrie's numbers and Diaz's appeal K&D should do~$225 million gross.

Cameron Diaz is as much of a draw as Cruz in K&D's attempt to pull off a Bogie-Hepburn film. I actually would have added a scene in the trailer of K&D where Les Grossman audits Diaz's character just to show Tom having some fun at Scientology's expense. That kind of mea culpa would be an instant media sensation.

Below are the numbers for Valkyrie, a film that has grossed ~$225 million. With a production budget of $75 million, that is $150 million profit. Any studio would take that deal.

Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $83,077,470
International Gross $115,609,027
Worldwide Gross $198,686,497
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $26,618,686
May 19, 2009 (DVD Sale)
Production Budget $75,000,000

altruistichedonist
20th June 2010, 10:29 PM
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Exactly!


JURY FOREMAN

We the jury find the defendant, Tom Cruise, GUILTY as charged. Further we found his arrogant, self-serving support of evil to be both repugnant and inexcusable. We find that he is complicit in the beatings, stalkings and criminal operations against people who don't like being beaten, lied to and enslaved. We find Tom Cruise to be no different than David Miscavich and recommend that all people of good conscience resist and combat his evil with any legal or moral means available.

Exactly!

Until he recants.

Tom Cruise = The dupe who became the valence of David Miscavige.
Tom Cruise = a decent person turned into an egomaniac.
Tom Cruise = someone who may awaken and see who he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkpcRMP8Bdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B18QfIJSZpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uoUAxgotaA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZhETsqq_QE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP-JC7Xh0N8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2fJJ3p0bk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxFBPNEGryU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTLjC4OTOmE

Lohan2008
20th June 2010, 11:43 PM
Who is going to Knight and Day?

So when does ESMB get a movie review?

Spirited
21st June 2010, 07:53 AM
I actually enjoy Tom Cruise's movies. I'm not a fan of his bromance with David Miscavige, but I enjoy his work. Knight and Day looked entertaining and I'll be seeing it.
what she said:)

I watched the mission impossible movies again recently and enjoyed them.
I liked jerry mcquire, magnolia, the last samarai, vanilla sky, risky business and a whole string of his movies. I'm not going to bag his work as an actor because of scientology. hes a good actor and makes good movies.
I'll be seeing knight and day too. I like his work.

MAX YOUR CREDIT
21st June 2010, 08:02 AM
Who is going to Knight and Day?

So when does ESMB get a movie review?

My boyfriend and I decided not to support any Tom Cruise movies.

I hope you all join me in spreading the message.... to not go out and watch the movie!

I told you I was trouble
21st June 2010, 08:07 AM
I wouldn't be willing to sit through a film with Tom Cruise in it, quite apart from the scientology connection I also think he is a crap actor, one dimensional and too intense ... I felt like that about him prior to becoming an ex.

:no:

The Great Zorg
21st June 2010, 09:38 AM
Does anyone believe/know that Cruise knows about the abuses?

He must... after all, he is not dumb and stupid. Of course, he probably IS in a state of denial like the rest of us were, always finding excuses to explain the contradictions and uselessness of $cientology as a whole.

RebtGenius
21st June 2010, 09:41 AM
I would concede that Tom Cruise is a very energetic, dynamic, and adept actor. I'm particularly fond of his work in Risky Business, Rain Man, and Vanilla Sky (which I rate as one of my all-time favorite films). However, I just can't cough up the dough to watch his performances for two primary reasons:

1) I can't mentally dissociate Tom Cruise the actor from Tom Cruise the villainous enabler and advocate of David Miscavige. He must live in an alternate universe if COB is one of the most compassionate and caring people he's ever met.

2) It's a totally unnecessary expenditure of funds, which helps bolster status quo Scientology and its myriad human rights abuses. I'm voting with my wallet when I pay to watch Cruise perform. I don't want my money to trickle down to Scientology and help fund its abuses.

Jeffrey

The Great Zorg
21st June 2010, 02:59 PM
1) I can't mentally dissociate Tom Cruise the actor from Tom Cruise the villainous enabler and advocate of David Miscavige. He must live in an alternate universe if COB is one of the most compassionate and caring people he's ever met.
2) It's a totally unnecessary expenditure of funds, which helps bolster status quo Scientology and its myriad human rights abuses. I'm voting with my wallet when I pay to watch Cruise perform. I don't want my money to trickle down to Scientology and help fund its abuses.
Jeffrey

I tend to agree with both items.

anondelmundial
23rd June 2010, 08:05 PM
Seems somewhat unfair about Cruise directly....but the movie looks pretty bad.

What is unfair about Cruise directly? He deliberately, with some kind of forethought, went balls to the wall in his "Davies best friend forever Scientologist mode" on public television. This alone, not even counting the leak of his private performances for Scientologists, made his career a complete shambles. His over-the-top excesses regarding Katie was the icing on the cake of his meltdown as a credible actor and, indecently, as a credible person as well.

...and this was four years ago...

Tom's major fan base, women of advanced age, turned their backs on him in unison. Tom is just So Yesterday! And, we all know that he really can't act naturally at all. If he could, and if he retained any marketable reputation, the studios would be coming after him. Tellingly, the studios refuse his calls. He has lost, all of his own accord, all of his marketability. Word on the street is that he is no longer even marketable to Katie!

Tom's career is destined to late night television informercials or gay porn shorts.

Why do I know this? ...because my wife, a die hard TC fan, won't watch any of his movies any more. When she turned her back on TC, I knew that Tom was dead meat, hanging in the wind for the crows to pluck out his eyes and eat his nose.

Lurker5
23rd June 2010, 08:14 PM
TC was never a top fav of mine, but he was OK, his movies were sometimes good, and I always watched them. Then he dumped Nic. That was it for me. It was sort of common knowledge, at the time, he dumped her because scn/dm told him to do it. She was turning her nose up at scn, and making no bones about it - with/to TC. Her, her father/family all PTS. TC did a big heartless dump - in public. :pfft: Asshole. Fuck scn/dm AND tc.

riptide
23rd June 2010, 10:48 PM
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I fear some of us critics are too quick to generalize and start thinking in "black hat"/"white hat" style.

Something similar to, "Tom Cruise supports David Miscavige therefore everything he does is bad in someway."

Is that really true?

I understand where you're coming from but let's not get carried away.

Before we know it we'll be saying something like, "Doesn't he walk stupid too!? Plus when he blinks I can just tell he's an asshole."

We don't need criticism at this level to be effective. It can make us look bad.

"can"??? This is the rep ESMB has been getting for at least a year now by those who have left and stopped by on their way to Martys house. (not that I live there by any stretch)

moarxenu
23rd June 2010, 11:43 PM
http://www.movieline.com/2010/05/cameron-diaz-attacks-tom-cruise.php


Remember when Tom Cruise jumped the couch on Oprah, and suddenly, all these Flash games sprung up online where you could hurl tomatoes at the star, punch him at the face, or otherwise abuse him to your heart’s content? Well, the marketers behind Knight and Day must be going for that same demographic, as they’re pushing a new viral video where Cruise’s costar Cameron Diaz brutally kicks him in the stomach during a “stunt rehearsal.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJd-e296Y0

Smilla
24th June 2010, 01:14 AM
I thought Tom was superb in Magnolia. The scenes where he's being "interrogated"/interviewed were pretty flawless if you ask me. Other than Magnolia, and Collateral for his acting like a sociopath perfectly, I don't think he's more than a merely ok/competent actor. And maybe Magnolia and Collateral were great because they required him to be like Miscavige. Who knows.

I won't support a film where CoS will benefit in any way, and until Hollywood as a whole gets the nerve to quit denying that corporate Scientology is a recruiting ground for its own interests, I won't go to any movies or watch any TV programs with CoS Scientologists in them.

Hard on the rest of the innocent crew (wait... ARE they so innocent....?) but that's where I'm at. I don't think they are so innocent - I think they have the choice to say No, and they shouldn't have to but I wish they would: take a significant personal stand against human rights abuses - collectively they have the power to do this. Scientologists who blow are putting their eternity at risk; why can't actors at least put some bucks on the line. After all, there are other movies to audition for.

Gee Tom and Davey, why so dour/angry-young-man looking? Who did you think your audience would be? HA, Miscavige's cycle has the ultimate spaceship front to it. Imagine these two men in government. I'm sure that's where they're imagining themselves. Or were...

Does anyone believe/know that Cruise knows about the abuses?

I would be very surprised if he doesn't know something about it. If he has stopped watching the TV, listening to the radio and reading newspapers and magazines, he might not know, but that's unlikely for someone who makes their living as an actor. I suspect that he knows all about it, and approves of it. Just my gut feeling. I don't like him - the vibes are bad.

looker
24th June 2010, 02:02 AM
I would be very surprised if he doesn't know something about it. If he has stopped watching the TV, listening to the radio and reading newspapers and magazines, he might not know, but that's unlikely for someone who makes their living as an actor. I suspect that he knows all about it, and approves of it. Just my gut feeling. I don't like him - the vibes are bad.

I agree. When he is on a set and the yellow Scientology tent goes up. He is trying to recruit more Raw Meat. Some of those in his entourage have got to have friends in the business that are not Scions or TC's lakies and state their opinion. But I bet if they do, they are gone.

So is the TC yellow tent growing empty as well?

I was so let down when I heard Will Smith was getting auditing. I like Will Jason Beghe in his leaving Scientology interview, said watch out Will they have cameras recording all your sessions.

Too bad I liked him and Tommie Lee Jones in Men In Black.

AnonSunshine
25th June 2010, 12:47 AM
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz-log-a-rough-start-for-knight-and-day.html

A Rough Start for 'Knight and Day' :nervous:
by Mike Krumboltz · June 23, 2010
Not so long ago, Tom Cruise was the biggest movie star on the planet. During the '80s and '90s, the guy could not miss. But then, one fateful day, the excitable star decided to jump on Oprah's couch. It's been a rough go ever since.

Many feel that the infamous moment, combined with a bizarre interview with Matt Lauer, caused his star power to tumble. His movies, which used to be sure money-makers, began to look a little risky. Does Cruise's newest film, "Knight and Day," put him back at the top of the box office? To quote our Magic 8 Ball, "outlook not so good."

According to the Los Angeles Times, the film, which opened on Wednesday, earned $3.8 million on its opening day. That may not sound too shabby for a Wednesday, but keep in mind that "Toy Story 3" took in $13 million during the same time period. Box Office Mojo lists the top Wednesday grosses of all time, and "Knight and Day" doesn't even come close to cracking the top 50, despite rising ticket prices. Ruh-roh.

This dubious beginning isn't a surprise to everyone. Over the past week, Web searches on the film have been tepid at best, despite a vigorous marketing campaign. Pre-release surveys revealed that audiences weren't excited about the movie. The L.A. Times speculates that the film will be lucky to gross even $25 million by Sunday. Compare that to the movie's budget: the LA Times estimates that production cost around $117 million. Marketing was "tens of millions more."

But it's not like this is "Gigli" we're talking about. The film has earned decent, if not glowing, reviews. Roger Ebert gives it three stars and Claudia Puig of USA Today writes that "Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz make a surprisingly charming couple." True, the New York Times called it "loud, seemingly interminable, and altogether incoherent," but, hey, you can't please everybody.

Too bad, because according to Deadline, the box-office performance of "Knight and Day" could have an effect on another Tom Cruise flick -- the proposed "Mission: Impossible 4." The blog writes, "Hollywood has been buzzing that the studio might kill 'MI4' if 'Knight' doesn't connect with audiences despite Cruise's action hero character."

Slash Film calls this "speculation-ville." Still, if the numbers don't pick up there is one sequel we're sure nobody will ever green-light: "Knight and Day 2."

AnonSunshine
25th June 2010, 01:14 AM
:happydance: :happydance: :cheers2: :happydance:

The Great Zorg
26th June 2010, 03:58 AM
http://www.movieline.com/2010/05/cameron-diaz-attacks-tom-cruise.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJd-e296Y0

Now how did TC 'pull that in'? :confused2:

Cameron Diaz is a goddess. Why she signed up to do a movie with that wierdo clam is beyond me. She must have really needed the $$$ :eyeroll:

looker
26th June 2010, 04:51 AM
Scientology defines power as speed of particle flow. TC and Travolta put out a movie what seems like every 18 months. The problem for TC is the world loves the under dog.

Tom Cruz made an a bold and egotistical display with Mat Lower and the leaked YouTube Scientology video and on Oprah.

Tom Cruz may have done as much as Ex's and Anonymous to help the disfavor of Scientology on his own. :) (Well not really, Ex's and Anons are Awesome)

Any Anonymous want to send TC an honorary Anon membership card just for the LULZ?:thumbsup:

Or how about Goldenrod from the Tom Cruz fan club.:D

Jus thinkin out loud...