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Type4_PTS
22nd September 2010, 09:57 AM
From: www.TMZ.com (http://www.TMZ.com)


Nancy Cartwright -- the voice of Bart Simpson -- is a defendant in a lawsuit involving her fiance's suicide, a failed construction project, and the Church of Scientology ... this according to documents obtained by TMZ.
In the suit, the American Safety Casualty Insurance Company claims a construction company run by Stephen Brackett -- Nancy's fiance at the time -- was hired to fix up a restaurant in 2008. ASCIC issued an insurance policy (http://www.forum.exscn.net/#) to Brackett to cover the work ... and Nancy agreed to cover ASCIC's costs if anything went wrong.

ASCIC claims Brackett only did a portion of the work and "diverted contract funds" to the Church of Scientology, in which both he and Nancy were members. ASCIC says that when the project was halfway done, Brackett committed suicide and his company folded.

ASCIC claims it had to fork over roughly $260,000 to complete the project ... and that Nancy is refusing to cover the expenses, as promised.

ASCIC is suing her for the 260k plus a whole lot more.

See original article here:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/21/nancy-cartwright-bart-simpson-sued-fiance-church-of-scientology-insurance-company/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/21/nancy-cartwright-bart-simpson-sued-fiance-church-of-scientology-insurance-company/)

Here's the actual "Complaint for Breach of Contract":
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/Nancy%20Cartwright%20lawsuit%20doc.pdf

AnonyMary
22nd September 2010, 02:04 PM
So enlightening to see the facts about what happened. Steve's death is so sad. I can just imagine the pressure he was under and the enormity of guilt he must have felt when he realized his poor choice. I hope CoS and Nancy get everything they deserve out of this. This is scientology in a nutshell: Greed

skydog
22nd September 2010, 02:25 PM
Nancy better lawyer up. Kendrick Moxon must feel like like the proverbial Dutch boy trying to stop all the leaks in the Truman show dam. Can't wait to see the discovery.:drama:

The Great Zorg
22nd September 2010, 02:30 PM
If everyone everywhere knew that the church of scientology costs each "parishioner" anywhere from $300,000 to $ 2,000,000 dollars over a lifetime then it would not be so unbelievable when news of huge embezzlement, money diversion and laundering hit the headlines. :no:

Of course, some don't ever have to pay a penny to the "church". They are fortunate enough to give up everything they own and then some along with their dental and physical health, by joining "staff" or the "sea org". Working 50 to 90 hours a week for a nickle an hour is a fair trade-off when one is unfortunate enough to be a scientologist and not be rich. :confused2:





THE "CHURCH"
OF SCIENTOLOGY...
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER:
IT WILL COST YOU
EVERYTHING






.

AnonyMary
22nd September 2010, 03:00 PM
Get out the popcorn: The insurance company is suing her directly while the trustee of Brackett Construction Co Chapter 7 bankruptcy is most likely going to file an adversary complaint against Church of Scientology for fraudulent transfer of monies (the donations) which rightfully belong to the company. Either way, Cartwright or Church of Scientology will have to pay on this one. It might well pit CoS against Cartwright, with CoS saying " Get it from Cartwright", lol

In this list of cases, there are examples of adversary cases against scientologists for similar fraudulent transfers where CoS had to repay donations to the trustee:
http://www.lermanet.com/fraud

Enthetan
22nd September 2010, 03:54 PM
Get out the popcorn: The insurance company is suing her directly while the trustee of Brackett Construction Co Chapter 7 bankruptcy is most likely going to file an adversary complaint against Church of Scientology for fraudulent transfer of monies (the donations) which rightfully belong to the company. Either way, Cartwright or Church of Scientology will have to pay on this one. It might well pit CoS against Cartwright, with CoS saying " Get it from Cartwright", lol


The bankruptcy trustee may have a good case. If ASCIC paid $260,000 up front to have work done, Brackett should only have used those funds to complete the project he was contracted to perform.

It may turn out that Co$ has to return the money, and then goes after Nancy (who might not have the money). This might be the last straw for Nancy.

Lurker5
22nd September 2010, 04:18 PM
From: www.TMZ.com (http://www.TMZ.com)


Nancy Cartwright -- the voice of Bart Simpson -- is a defendant in a lawsuit involving her fiance's suicide, a failed construction project, and the Church of Scientology ... this according to documents obtained by TMZ.
In the suit, the American Safety Casualty Insurance Company claims a construction company run by Stephen Brackett -- Nancy's fiance at the time -- was hired to fix up a restaurant in 2008. ASCIC issued an insurance policy (http://www.forum.exscn.net/#) to Brackett to cover the work ... and Nancy agreed to cover ASCIC's costs if anything went wrong.

ASCIC claims Brackett only did a portion of the work and "diverted contract funds" to the Church of Scientology, in which both he and Nancy were members. ASCIC says that when the project was halfway done, Brackett committed suicide and his company folded.

ASCIC claims it had to fork over roughly $260,000 to complete the project ... and that Nancy is refusing to cover the expenses, as promised.

ASCIC is suing her for the 260k plus a whole lot more.

See original article here:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/21/nancy-cartwright-bart-simpson-sued-fiance-church-of-scientology-insurance-company/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/21/nancy-cartwright-bart-simpson-sued-fiance-church-of-scientology-insurance-company/)

Here's the actual "Complaint for Breach of Contract":
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/radaronline.com/files/Nancy%20Cartwright%20lawsuit%20doc.pdf

Gawd, business as usual for the co$. Gawd. :angry::grouch:

AngeloV
22nd September 2010, 06:20 PM
Gawd, business as usual for the co$. Gawd. :angry::grouch:

Yes, business as usual. They've earned all of the shit they 'pull in'.

Infinite
22nd September 2010, 06:32 PM
This *is* good news. And, yeah, as Enthan suggests, has Nancy actually got any money left? After all the dosh she's handed over I wouldn't be in the least surprised if she's near to skint.

Hopefully, as the inevitable shit fight ensues, won't be long now before her Scientology fugue clears - wouldn't be great to have her on side? The only downside I can see is if she ends up over at MartyLand.

Terril park
22nd September 2010, 06:38 PM
Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??

Lurker5
22nd September 2010, 06:52 PM
Yeah, I hope this creates a big stink around sci/co$. BUT - I have my suspicions as to why JT did not pursue the case against his blackmailers. He'd already been to court, and testified that Jett had epilepsy. I think coS/sci/dm got in his stuff for that. He had to END the bad PR - so he got a very smart lawyer to clinch a deal with all involved, money for silence . . .

If NC has any $$ left, the co$ will pressure her to shut this down ASAP (pay off the insurance co). If she has no money left - well, that's left to be seen . . . I am sure she gets paid everytime The Simpsons airs. I think she has the promise of future monies. This will go away super fast.

Yea for TMZ - brazen little bastards, hey :-)

skydog
22nd September 2010, 07:34 PM
Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??

That is a good question. As I understand it, Brackett construction entered into a contract with a third party to construct a restaurant-Off Vine Restaurant. That third party would have required a completion bond from the contractor (Brackett Construction) to ensure not only the completion of the project but also payment for any subcontractors who would have a lien on the property for any unpaid work. The two insurance companies entered into a contract with Brackett construction to guarantee that the construction company would fulfill its obligations to Off Vine Restaurant. The contract protects only Off Vine Restaurant-and does not relieve the contractor from its obligations. The insurance company may, under the terms of its contract, seek reimbursement from the contractor for any monies it becomes obligated to pay.

Because of this, the insurance company may require some form of security for undertaking this risk. This could include personal guarantees from the officers of a corporation, mortgages or liens on any property owned by the corporations or its officers. In this case, it accepted a guarantee from Cartwright-an individual with substantial assets. I suspect that is what happened in this case.

Alanzo
22nd September 2010, 07:41 PM
OK, here's my understanding of what happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This lawsuit alleges that:

The voice of Bart Simpson, Nancy Cartwright, had a fiance who owned a construction company.

He was paid money to do work on a restaurant called "Off Vine Restaurant", and instead of getting the work done with the money he was paid, he paid it to the Church of Scientology for his "Bridge to Total Freedom" instead.

Then he committed suicide.

Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, was the legal backer for her fiance's business. The insurance company they hired to take care of things if anything went wrong had to pay almost $300,000 to complete the job that Nancy's fiance was responsible to complete.

So the insurance company is suing both Nancy Cartwright and the Church of Scientology for the expenses they had to pay because the diversion of funds to the Church of Scientology - instead of paying for the construction project - was fraudulent and not covered by the insurance policy their construction company owned.

So this is yet another example of the fraud and abuse that goes on in Scientology's never-ending quest to suck up everything of value that they can out of anyone they can in order to enrich themselves by dangling "spiritual freedom" in front of them.

And it happened in yet another very tragic way to sincere people who needed Scientology to give them real help and not fake help, and then cast them aside like used rags once they got what they wanted out of them.

I hope this makes worldwide news. Not because I hold any ill will against Nancy Cartwright, but because the Church of Scientology needs to be exposed for what they are - and for the world to see.

And all legal means need to be used to stop them from being able to do this to anyone else, once and for all.

Infinite
22nd September 2010, 07:44 PM
Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??

Didn't you know, Terril, insurance companies never lose. They spread the risk across the portfolio far and wide, bringing in guarantees so that those areas of the business that do well, support those they struggle. Bloody socialists, the lot of 'em. : )

Wisened One
22nd September 2010, 08:51 PM
Oh wow. :(

And I'm sure NC's gonna be laid on a guilt trip like no tomorrow for all this, and have to pay out the nose more money to Co$ to get 'ethical' again....:faceslap: :no:



OK, here's my understanding of what happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This lawsuit alleges that:

The voice of Bart Simpson, Nancy Cartwright, had a fiance who owned a construction company.

He was paid money to do work on a restaurant called "Off Vine Restaurant", and instead of getting the work done with the money he was paid, he paid it to the Church of Scientology for his "Bridge to Total Freedom" instead.

Then he committed suicide.

Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, was the legal backer for her fiance's business. The insurance company they hired to take care of things if anything went wrong had to pay almost $300,000 to complete the job that Nancy's fiance was responsible to complete.

So the insurance company is suing both Nancy Cartwright and the Church of Scientology for the expenses they had to pay because the diversion of funds to the Church of Scientology - instead of paying for the construction project - was fraudulent and not covered by the insurance policy their construction company owned.

So this is yet another example of the fraud and abuse that goes on in Scientology's never-ending quest to suck up everything of value that they can out of anyone they can in order to enrich themselves by dangling "spiritual freedom" in front of them.

And it happened in yet another very tragic way to sincere people who needed Scientology to give them real help and not fake help, and then cast them aside like used rags once they got what they wanted out of them.

I hope this makes worldwide news. Not because I hold any ill will against Nancy Cartwright, but because the Church of Scientology needs to be exposed for what they are - and for the world to see.

And all legal means need to be used to stop them from being able to do this to anyone else, once and for all.

Type4_PTS
22nd September 2010, 10:39 PM
Being that this involves the Co$ and not just Nancy Cartwright it seems that my thread title is inadequate. :unsure:

Seems I should rename it......any ideas? :hmm:

Lermanet_com
22nd September 2010, 10:58 PM
Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??


If they considered the guy had no track record at that size of job, then they would say pal we won't issue the (required by the state licensing commission) bond unless you can find someone to guarantee it..so he did..nancy

Ive had to get bonded before and was given the run around but got it cause Id been in the AV business for 25 years already.

Axiom142
22nd September 2010, 11:20 PM
Talk about Karma in action, the cult is just ‘pulling in’ one kick to the goolies after another.

These things normally take a long time to get to court, but I hope it generates a lot of bad publicity for the cult. And hopefully it will be given extra attention when Rex Fowler goes on trial and it is revealed why he tried to commit suicide after diverting money from his business to the Church of Scientology (hmmm, seems to be a theme developing here).

And finally, some of these thick-headed but wealthy celebs might get it into their heads that being associated with Scientology can be very bad news for one’s personal wellbeing and sanity.

Axiom142

The Great Zorg
23rd September 2010, 12:34 AM
Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??

She has (or had) money? :confused2:

The Great Zorg
23rd September 2010, 12:41 AM
Being that this involves the Co$ and not just Nancy Cartwright it seems that my thread title is inadequate. :unsure:

Seems I should rename it......any ideas? :hmm:

How about: "More Dirty Scientology"?

Feral
23rd September 2010, 12:54 AM
OK, here's my understanding of what happened. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

This lawsuit alleges that:

The voice of Bart Simpson, Nancy Cartwright, had a fiance who owned a construction company.

He was paid money to do work on a restaurant called "Off Vine Restaurant", and instead of getting the work done with the money he was paid, he paid it to the Church of Scientology for his "Bridge to Total Freedom" instead.

Then he committed suicide.

Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, was the legal backer for her fiance's business. The insurance company they hired to take care of things if anything went wrong had to pay almost $300,000 to complete the job that Nancy's fiance was responsible to complete.

So the insurance company is suing both Nancy Cartwright and the Church of Scientology for the expenses they had to pay because the diversion of funds to the Church of Scientology - instead of paying for the construction project - was fraudulent and not covered by the insurance policy their construction company owned.

So this is yet another example of the fraud and abuse that goes on in Scientology's never-ending quest to suck up everything of value that they can out of anyone they can in order to enrich themselves by dangling "spiritual freedom" in front of them.

And it happened in yet another very tragic way to sincere people who needed Scientology to give them real help and not fake help, and then cast them aside like used rags once they got what they wanted out of them.

I hope this makes worldwide news. Not because I hold any ill will against Nancy Cartwright, but because the Church of Scientology needs to be exposed for what they are - and for the world to see.

And all legal means need to be used to stop them from being able to do this to anyone else, once and for all.

That's how it appears on the surface.

But there's two things here that don't make sense.

If it's only a matter of $300K why didn't Nancy just pay it to prevent the flap that we see today? That kind of money is petty cash for her.

The other thing is that Steve committed suicide over financial matters, again I hardly see that $300K would be sufficient financial pressure in their field of operation.

There is a lot more to this as I think time will prove.

smartone
23rd September 2010, 01:26 AM
This *is* good news. And, yeah, as Enthan suggests, has Nancy actually got any money left? After all the dosh she's handed over I wouldn't be in the least surprised if she's near to skint.


And true to form, the CoS will drop Nancy like a hot brick. :yes:

Enthetan
23rd September 2010, 01:29 AM
She has (or had) money? :confused2:

If she had enough money left to cover this, I strongly suspect she would have handled it before it got to the Bad-PR-lawsuit stage.

I suspect she's broke. Not just broke, but over-extended on loans to the extent that she's hopelessly insolvent.

degraded being
23rd September 2010, 01:58 AM
This *is* good news. And, yeah, as Enthan suggests, has Nancy actually got any money left? After all the dosh she's handed over I wouldn't be in the least surprised if she's near to skint.

Hopefully, as the inevitable shit fight ensues, won't be long now before her Scientology fugue clears - wouldn't be great to have her on side? The only downside I can see is if she ends up over at MartyLand.

From

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?entry_id=23858

This was some time ago, the COS has


Nancy 'Bart Simpson' Cartwright Gives $10 Million to Scientology

Actress Nancy Cartwright, the voice behind cartoon character Bart Simpson, has been awarded Scientology's Patron Laureate Award after she donated $10 million to the faith in 2007.

Cartwright's gift -- almost two times her annual salary from "The Simpsons" -- puts her top of a list of celebrity benefactors, who have handed over their hard-earned cash to the Church of Scientology. She gave even more than Tom Cruise -- who is reported to be the controversial religion's second-in-command -- who has donated $5 million in the last four years.

According to Impact magazine, Kirstie Alley gave $5 million last year and has picked up the Diamond Meritorious Award.

Fellow followers John Travolta and Kelly Preston gave $1 million each and were awarded the Gold Meritorious Award, while Priscilla Presley was handed the Patron Award for a donation of $50,000.

The prizes were handed out at a top-secret ceremony in Florida last summer, according to the publication.

Published on: January 30 2008 at 02:15 PM



How many more IAS fundraisers has she been to since then?????

Terril park
23rd September 2010, 02:01 AM
That is a good question. As I understand it, Brackett construction entered into a contract with a third party to construct a restaurant-Off Vine Restaurant. That third party would have required a completion bond from the contractor (Brackett Construction) to ensure not only the completion of the project but also payment for any subcontractors who would have a lien on the property for any unpaid work. The two insurance companies entered into a contract with Brackett construction to guarantee that the construction company would fulfill its obligations to Off Vine Restaurant. The contract protects only Off Vine Restaurant-and does not relieve the contractor from its obligations. The insurance company may, under the terms of its contract, seek reimbursement from the contractor for any monies it becomes obligated to pay.

Because of this, the insurance company may require some form of security for undertaking this risk. This could include personal guarantees from the officers of a corporation, mortgages or liens on any property owned by the corporations or its officers. In this case, it accepted a guarantee from Cartwright-an individual with substantial assets. I suspect that is what happened in this case.

Thanks! Still think its weird.

Infinite
23rd September 2010, 02:32 AM
The only downside I can see is if she ends up over at MartyLand.

I take it back. Better MartyLand than still in.

Good twin
23rd September 2010, 02:42 AM
Did anyone else see that Terrill called Bart Simpson an "actress"?
:lol:

FoTi
23rd September 2010, 03:01 AM
Did anyone else see that Terrill called Bart Simpson an "actress"?
:lol:

Where did he say that? I couldn't find it.

Terril park
23rd September 2010, 03:48 AM
Did anyone else see that Terrill called Bart Simpson an "actress"?
:lol:

Guess it was the evil twin at work here. :)

I said:-

"Why did an insurance company ask an actress to insure them??"

I mean....they asked Bart Simpson??

OHTEEATE
23rd September 2010, 04:13 AM
Steve and I went to the same High School, a few years apart. He was my sister Melanies' boyfriend in High School. His sister Karin Beatty was Melanies' best friend, and is now the ED of New York Org(Day). I knew Steve for 30 plus years. I do not know any details of his relationship with Nancy Cartright, but I know he was a high-end restaurant builder, and had Hollywood-Scientology connections. I asked him for a job several times and he turned me down. The strain of running a business AND trying to keep up with the donation/status circus the CofS runs, was too much. He jumped off the famous bridge in Big Sur to his death. Nancy can handle a few hundred thousand, and will probably settle quickly. She has her own problems, I'm sure, dealing with the loss of her promised husband. Steve could not hang with 10 million dollar contributions. Out of his league. The pressure to keep up can make you do some strange things. Like- join the Sea Org. Go figure. Been there, done that.

Alanzo
23rd September 2010, 04:21 AM
Steve and I went to the same High School, a few years apart. He was my sister Melanies' boyfriend in High School. His sister Karin Beatty was Melanies' best friend, and is now the ED of New York Org(Day). I knew Steve for 30 plus years. I do not know any details of his relationship with Nancy Cartright, but I know he was a high-end restaurant builder, and had Hollywood-Scientology connections. I asked him for a job several times and he turned me down. The strain of running a business AND trying to keep up with the donation/status circus the CofS runs, was too much. He jumped off the famous bridge in Big Sur to his death. Nancy can handle a few hundred thousand, and will probably settle quickly. She has her own problems, I'm sure, dealing with the loss of her promised husband. Steve could not hang with 10 million dollar contributions. Out of his league. The pressure to keep up can make you do some strange things. Like- join the Sea Org. Go figure. Been there, done that.

I'm sorry to hear that, Mike.

Wisened One
23rd September 2010, 05:37 AM
Steve and I went to the same High School, a few years apart. He was my sister Melanies' boyfriend in High School. His sister Karin Beatty was Melanies' best friend, and is now the ED of New York Org(Day). I knew Steve for 30 plus years. I do not know any details of his relationship with Nancy Cartright, but I know he was a high-end restaurant builder, and had Hollywood-Scientology connections. I asked him for a job several times and he turned me down. The strain of running a business AND trying to keep up with the donation/status circus the CofS runs, was too much. He jumped off the famous bridge in Big Sur to his death. Nancy can handle a few hundred thousand, and will probably settle quickly. She has her own problems, I'm sure, dealing with the loss of her promised husband. Steve could not hang with 10 million dollar contributions. Out of his league. The pressure to keep up can make you do some strange things. Like- join the Sea Org. Go figure. Been there, done that.
:no: :sad:

Lurker5
23rd September 2010, 08:56 PM
Steve and I went to the same High School, a few years apart. He was my sister Melanies' boyfriend in High School. His sister Karin Beatty was Melanies' best friend, and is now the ED of New York Org(Day). I knew Steve for 30 plus years. I do not know any details of his relationship with Nancy Cartright, but I know he was a high-end restaurant builder, and had Hollywood-Scientology connections. I asked him for a job several times and he turned me down. The strain of running a business AND trying to keep up with the donation/status circus the CofS runs, was too much. He jumped off the famous bridge in Big Sur to his death. Nancy can handle a few hundred thousand, and will probably settle quickly. She has her own problems, I'm sure, dealing with the loss of her promised husband. Steve could not hang with 10 million dollar contributions. Out of his league. The pressure to keep up can make you do some strange things. Like- join the Sea Org. Go figure. Been there, done that.

This is very sad. So sorry OH-T8.

:sad:

This is why . . .

AnonyMary
24th September 2010, 01:28 AM
Steve and I went to the same High School, a few years apart. He was my sister Melanies' boyfriend in High School. His sister Karin Beatty was Melanies' best friend, and is now the ED of New York Org(Day). I knew Steve for 30 plus years. I do not know any details of his relationship with Nancy Cartright, but I know he was a high-end restaurant builder, and had Hollywood-Scientology connections. I asked him for a job several times and he turned me down. The strain of running a business AND trying to keep up with the donation/status circus the CofS runs, was too much. He jumped off the famous bridge in Big Sur to his death. Nancy can handle a few hundred thousand, and will probably settle quickly. She has her own problems, I'm sure, dealing with the loss of her promised husband. Steve could not hang with 10 million dollar contributions. Out of his league. The pressure to keep up can make you do some strange things. Like- join the Sea Org. Go figure. Been there, done that.

Hi Mike,

I'm really sorry you got turned down by Brackett for work when you asked. That must have been disconcerting, since you needed the work, you had family ties of a sort and and you grew up together. Was money the issue for him at the time or was it your status ie: that you were a freeloader at the time?

Just so you know, Steve and Nancy were no longer engaged at the time of his death. I suspect that there were issues between them and the church and they brike up maybe because he was no longer financialy able or willing to keep up with the high end high pressure regging while trying to keep his busines afloat after his obvious financial irregularities wuith his company.

You can see here and in the references at the link thayt they were no longer together. Dispair at the ending of the relationship may well have played a part but it was the financial pressures and depressing consequences of having used company money for reg cycles instead of supplies for the job ( maybe more jobs) that seem to have gotten to him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Cartwright
"In 2007, Cartwright was in a relationship with contractor Stephen Brackett.[74] They planned to get married in Spring 2008.[16][75] Brackett was the President and Treasurer of Brackett Construction in Hollywood, California; the construction company was founded in 1987 and had $8.5 million in sales in 2009.[76] He was a fellow member of Scientology.[75] Brackett reached the Operating Thetan level of OT V in Scientology, in 1989.[77] He died in May 2009.[78] According to The Monterey County Herald, Brackett leaped off of the Bixby Creek Bridge in Big Sur, California.[78] Law enforcement stated, "There are no indications of foul play, and friends and relatives of Brackett said he was despondent because of financial troubles with his business."[78]"

Here is what is really sad about the whole thing. He sold his soul to the devil IAS and church registrars, despite all he knew was right in his heart. Suicide is remorse is like a big FU to everything - I'm sorry it ended this way. He was probably considered ethics bait and shunned. That was a guy who felt he had no one to go to for help out of this mess.
http://www.our-home.org/stevebrackett/success.htm :

"Because of Scientology I am a lot happier in life. My life is full of joy and I am constantly creating it. I enjoy communicating with people. This is because of the courses that I have done on communication. I also take joy in doing a good job at something. When I finish a project, it is a good product. I also take joy in helping others and really like to see others around me doing well. I have the technology to help them if they are not doing well. With Scientology, I am basically more cheerful, happy and can experience things more easily."

http://www.our-home.org/stevebrackett/myself.htm

"Hello, my name is Steve Brackett, and here is a little bit about myself:
My name is Steve Brackett. I am a single father. My daughter is also a Scientologist, and is doing well in life.

In my career, I do construction. I mostly build restaurants. I am the kind of person that will not quit until I have done a very good job, so my buildings end up being stellar products.

My hobbies are working and playing golf. That is why I do so well in my career because I really like what I do.

I originally got introduced to Scientology through a friend who told me a little about it, and I then became interested to find out more for myself. I have been a Scientologist since then. "

Nancy is obligated to pay the money as co-signer. Stupid of her to not have just paid it .
Mary McConnell

Smurf
24th September 2010, 07:19 AM
Interesting finds..... Stephen's ex-wife, Karen Davis Noyes-Brackett, and her children Jennifer Noyes Brackett, & Jonathan Lee Brackett, and Jansen Noyes (from her 1st marriage) purchased a home in Los Angeles from Stephen's estate.

Stephen's Scientology page mentioned he was a "single parent" of a daughter who was also a Scientologist. This was untrue. He also had a son, Jonathan L. now 21, who's not involved in the church, and a stepson, Jansen Noyes.

Jennifer, now 26 & Jansen, now 25, are mentioned here:
http://www.abjnoyesfoundation.com/great-grandchildren/

Feb. 2, 2010 - B: Jennifer N Brackett (Trustee), Jonathan L Brackett (Trustee), Karen N Brackett (Trustee) (Trust), Stephen E Brackett (Trustee), Jansen Noyes

S: Stephen E Brackett, Title Trust Deed Service Company (Trustee)

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/5556016045/8490_cole_crest_drive/

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/k/karen-brackett.html

Listed as Karen Noyes-Brackett:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/impact/impact021patrons.html

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/jennifer-n.-brackett.html

AnonyMary
24th September 2010, 07:48 AM
Interesting finds..... Stephen's ex-wife, Karen Davis Noyes-Brackett, and her children Jennifer Noyes Brackett, & Jonathan Lee Brackett, and Jansen Noyes (from her 1st marriage) purchased a home in Los Angeles from Stephen's estate.

Stephen's Scientology page mentioned he was a "single parent" of a daughter who was also a Scientologist. This was untrue. He also had a son, Jonathan L. now 21, who's not involved in the church, and a stepson, Jansen Noyes.

Jennifer, now 26 & Jansen, now 25, are mentioned here:
http://www.abjnoyesfoundation.com/great-grandchildren/

Feb. 2, 2010 - B: Jennifer N Brackett (Trustee), Jonathan L Brackett (Trustee), Karen N Brackett (Trustee) (Trust), Stephen E Brackett (Trustee), Jansen Noyes

S: Stephen E Brackett, Title Trust Deed Service Company (Trustee)

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/5556016045/8490_cole_crest_drive/

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/k/karen-brackett.html

Listed as Karen Noyes-Brackett:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/impact/impact021patrons.html

http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/jennifer-n.-brackett.html

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/5556016045/8490_cole_crest_drive/
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Sales History (1992-present)
N/A on February 2, 2010
B: Jennifer N Brackett (Trustee), Jonathan L Brackett (Trustee), Karen N Brackett (Trustee) (Trust), Stephen E Brackett (Trustee), Jansen Noyes
S: Stephen E Brackett, Title Trust Deed Service Company (Trustee)

N/A on January 25, 2010
B: Jeniffer N Brackett (Trustee), Stephen E Brackett (Trustee), Karen N Brakett (Trustee) (Trust), Jansen Noyes
S: Stephen E Brackett, Title Trust Deed Service Company (Trustee)

N/A on November 24, 2009
B: Nancy Cartwright
S: Stephen Brackett, Reliable Trust Deed Services (Trustee)

what happened to Nancy in the transactions after Nov 24, 2009? She should be included in the seller of the next transaction. I think so anyway.

Why isn't Cartwright the seller to the kids/etc? not the last buyer which is Cartwright.

Why isn't Cartwright the seller to the kids/etc if she was the last owner?

Smurf
24th September 2010, 10:26 AM
http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/5556016045/8490_cole_crest_drive/
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Sales History (1992-present)
N/A on February 2, 2010
B: Jennifer N Brackett (Trustee), Jonathan L Brackett (Trustee), Karen N Brackett (Trustee) (Trust), Stephen E Brackett (Trustee), Jansen Noyes
S: Stephen E Brackett, Title Trust Deed Service Company (Trustee)

N/A on November 24, 2009
B: Nancy Cartwright
S: Stephen Brackett, Reliable Trust Deed Services (Trustee)

what happened to Nancy in the transactions after Nov 24, 2009? She should be included in the seller of the next transaction. I think so anyway.

Why isn't Cartwright the seller to the kids/etc? not the last buyer which is Cartwright.

Why isn't Cartwright the seller to the kids/etc if she was the last owner?

I'm speculating that, perhaps, Cartwright was a co-signatory with Brackett on the real estate transaction which was later absorbed in his bankruptcy as an asset, and the ex-wife & kids purchased the home from the bankruptcy trustee.

That happens sometimes in probate when bankruptcy is involved, but don't know if this was the case here. Nancy owns her current home:

http://losangeles.blockshopper.com/property/2761009011/9723_aura_avenue/

Stat
24th September 2010, 11:02 AM
I just hope Nancy will wake up this time and realize it's not all about her cartoon world and amazing clear planet. Things in real life are not all that comfy.
Even though real life can be fun. But one would have to graduate to real life first. My opinion only.

Rene Descartes
24th September 2010, 03:42 PM
Talk about Karma in action, the cult is just ‘pulling in’ one kick to the goolies after another.

These things normally take a long time to get to court, but I hope it generates a lot of bad publicity for the cult. And hopefully it will be given extra attention when Rex Fowler goes on trial and it is revealed why he tried to commit suicide after diverting money from his business to the Church of Scientology (hmmm, seems to be a theme developing here).

And finally, some of these thick-headed but wealthy celebs might get it into their heads that being associated with Scientology can be very bad news for one’s personal wellbeing and sanity.

Axiom142

And the funny thing is, or maybe not so funny, that

The amounts for both this scenario and the Rex Folwer scenario are roughly the same, ~ 250,000 $

By the way this does not get any prettier for Nancy. Insurance Fraud being at its worst here some type of Discovery attempt could be made to determine if she was aware of what he did with the money.

This would make her party to the fraud.

Her best bet would be to pay it back and walk away.

As a matter of act she should go to the bank right now and get the check made.

As for the Church, if someone was able to discover an email or text from someone in the Church suggesting that he use the money for something for the Church then that would lean towards party to the fraud.

At least for the individual, not necessarily the Church.

Unless someone were to find proof of suggestion from someone higher up within the organization.

Rd00

Enthetan
24th September 2010, 07:06 PM
I'm really sorry you got turned down by Brackett for work when you asked. That must have been disconcerting, since you needed the work, you had family ties of a sort and and you grew up together. Was money the issue for him at the time or was it your status ie: that you were a freeloader at the time?


The Church can make life difficult for OTs who are connected to people who are not 100% "in good standing". That WOULD have been a factor. Plus if he was not doing well, adding another employee might not have been viable.

Enthetan
24th September 2010, 07:11 PM
By the way this does not get any prettier for Nancy. Insurance Fraud being at its worst here some type of Discovery attempt could be made to determine if she was aware of what he did with the money.

This would make her party to the fraud.

Her best bet would be to pay it back and walk away.

As a matter of act she should go to the bank right now and get the check made.

As for the Church, if someone was able to discover an email or text from someone in the Church suggesting that he use the money for something for the Church then that would lean towards party to the fraud.

At least for the individual, not necessarily the Church.

Unless someone were to find proof of suggestion from someone higher up within the organization.

Rd00

This is why I think Nancy is essentially broke. If she had the money to make this go away, she would have paid it to avoid the negative PR.

I'm not sure if discovery procedures would find a link to the Church. they are usually pretty savvy about not putting these things in writing. The crush reg sessions happen inside the org, verbally. I would not be surprised if the org had devices to detect recording devices in the room.

Enthetan
24th September 2010, 07:20 PM
The Church can make life difficult for OTs who are connected to people who are not 100% "in good standing".
Expanding on what I said, from personal experience, after I left the SO I was seeing a girl. When her father (a gung-ho Scn) found out I had just left the SO, he got upset over her seeing "that f--ing freeloader".

OHTEEATE
24th September 2010, 08:55 PM
my involvement in his life was minor, but when I asked him for a supreintendents' job, it was after I had done OT 8, and had been in good standing for many years. My F/L days were much earlier. Maybe he didn't like tall people. He was very short. Maybe I reminded him of my sister. Maybe he didn't need anybody right then. Dude is dead. Steve fell prey to the oldest problem with contractors: comingling and misuse of funds. That is why there are bonds and insurance policies on big construction projects.
Some asshole IAS reg got a hold of him and sucked the life right out of him. I'd like to know which one of those bastards talked him out of the cash he needed to stay sane and in business and alive. Man, it makes me so glad that insane clown show is behind me. Steve, we hardly knew ye, bro.

Lurker5
24th September 2010, 09:13 PM
This - I did not know him, OhT-8 - but I agree with you on this sentiment.

I'd like to know who backed him into the corner.

How is that person (people?) sleeping at night - now ? ?

Smurf
24th September 2010, 11:57 PM
This is why I think Nancy is essentially broke. If she had the money to make this go away, she would have paid it to avoid the negative PR.

Nancy is far from broke. "The Simpsons" shoots 22 episodes a season and Nancy receives $400,000 an episode.

Plus, she receives a percentage on all the worldwide merchandising of products.

Celebrities are often sued for non-payment of services & contracts for one thing or another. It might have to do with the sense of entitlement they have as celebrities, but they are also sensitive to being ripped off and financially taken advantage of because they are rich celebrities.

Nancy may have gotten advice from her business manager or attorney(s) not to pay it.

Zinjifar
25th September 2010, 12:05 AM
Nancy may have gotten advice from her business manager or attorney(s) not to pay it.

The point being that if the guy fraudulently 'donated' the cash for the project to the 'Church', Nancy would be full bore on making it go right. Unless she's decided to tell them to get fucked.

Which would be a story in its own right :)

Zinj

Smurf
25th September 2010, 12:10 AM
The point being that if the guy fraudulently 'donated' the cash for the project to the 'Church', Nancy would be full bore on making it go right. Unless she's decided to tell them to get fucked.

On the other hand, celebrities are surrounded by their "Yes" people and she may not have been aware of the attempts to get her to pay.. they would have gone to her business manager for payment, not her personally.

But, I'm speculating.

Axiom142
25th September 2010, 12:41 AM
...

Unless she's decided to tell them to get fucked.

...

Zinj

Or tell them not to have a cow. Man. :coolwink:

Given how much she gets from the Simpsons, it is inconceivable that Cartwright doesn’t have the cash to pay this.

But, she has paid a huge amount to the CoS. Perhaps she believed all those tall tales about how “when you donate to the Theta universe, it all comes back, double” crap and over-extended herself or invested with a fellow Scientologist (who was obviously so ethical and OT they didn’t need a background check) and lost it all?

Axiom142

Enthetan
25th September 2010, 01:28 AM
Or tell them not to have a cow. Man. :coolwink:

Given how much she gets from the Simpsons, it is inconceivable that Cartwright doesn’t have the cash to pay this.

But, she has paid a huge amount to the CoS. Perhaps she believed all those tall tales about how “when you donate to the Theta universe, it all comes back, double” crap and over-extended herself or invested with a fellow Scientologist (who was obviously so ethical and OT they didn’t need a background check) and lost it all?

Axiom142

She has an extremely large cash flow. All that means to Co$ reges is that she has a very large ability to go extremely far into debt, to the point where all your considerable income is going to paying interest on debt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP6EwqMEoE

(As a Princess Bride fan I couldn't resist)

Type4_PTS
25th September 2010, 02:18 AM
Nancy is far from broke. "The Simpsons" shoots 22 episodes a season and Nancy receives $400,000 an episode.


Yep, here's a media report that confirms this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7434296.stm

So no way is the amount of the lawsuit a major issue for her financially.

OHTEEATE
25th September 2010, 03:35 PM
She has an extremely large cash flow. All that means to Co$ reges is that she has a very large ability to go extremely far into debt, to the point where all your considerable income is going to paying interest on debt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP6EwqMEoE

(As a Princess Bride fan I couldn't resist)

"My name is Iago Montoya; you killed my Father; prepare to die!" If I ran into him in an elevator, I could not resist doing that line on him. I'm sure it happens to him all the time.

SchwimmelPuckel
25th September 2010, 04:49 PM
The point being that if the guy fraudulently 'donated' the cash for the project to the 'Church', Nancy would be full bore on making it go right. Unless she's decided to tell them to get fucked.

Which would be a story in its own right :)

Zinj

Yep, here's a media report that confirms this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7434296.stm

So no way is the amount of the lawsuit a major issue for her financially.There's certainly contradictory data..

Like Zinj said: If she has the money, and is still a 'dedicated' scientologist, then she would have pay'd up immediatly. She would probably have been told to by OSA.. To avoid the PR flap.

But it does look like she will not pay.. This could be that she think Scientology can sort out their shit themselves.. Ie. She deliberatly causes the PR flap to happen.. Which would promptly land her in 'treason' condition. She knows this! - If this is the case she's giving Scientology the abominable finger!

Or she doesn't have the money.. Which would probably land her in 'treason' too...

:yes:

Type4_PTS
25th September 2010, 08:00 PM
But it does look like she will not pay.. This could be that she think Scientology can sort out their shit themselves.. Ie. She deliberatly causes the PR flap to happen.. Which would promptly land her in 'treason' condition. She knows this! - If this is the case she's giving Scientology the abominable finger!



This possiblity is very intriguing! I doubt that that's what going on, but one can always hope. :yes::D




Or she doesn't have the money.. Which would probably land her in 'treason' too...


Yes, this is really the highest crime within the CoS, even more so than just being there and communicating. The only exception is for those providing CoS with slave labor......in that case lack of money is excusable.

Feral
26th September 2010, 12:44 AM
There's certainly contradictory data..

Like Zinj said: If she has the money, and is still a 'dedicated' scientologist, then she would have pay'd up immediatly. She would probably have been told to by OSA.. To avoid the PR flap.

But it does look like she will not pay.. This could be that she think Scientology can sort out their shit themselves.. Ie. She deliberatly causes the PR flap to happen.. Which would promptly land her in 'treason' condition. She knows this! - If this is the case she's giving Scientology the abominable finger!

Or she doesn't have the money.. Which would probably land her in 'treason' too...

:yes:

So it could be a Mexican stand off.

This could get interesting, Nancy's man was pushed to suicide by insane financial demands by the cult, that would have been a big loss for anyone.

Now she knows that if she doesn't pay out the insurance company's claim and fights it successfully the Cof$ may be forced to the courts and ultimately have to return the money.

Every time I've seen or experienced a situation like that of any kind the Cof$ just demand that you pay and save them, to do less would be an unspeakable crime, it would be restated as a charge of "causing a PR flap and bringing the church into disrepute" or some such.

I've also seen them bringing enormous pressure upon regular folk for not complying with there demands; comm evs, sec checks and OSA ops. I don't know if that extends to wealthy celebs too though.

clamicide
26th September 2010, 02:01 AM
I don't know. Never dealt with celebs, but from wild legal and possible flap sits, those that be sometimes had weird ideas on how to handle because they thought they were invincible. Since it was HE who committed suicide, I wouldn't be surprised if they really thought they could blame it all on him...on other people handling it and try to somehow divorce her from the whole situation. Unless it comes to no other handle, her paying would look to them like she was admitting and connecting herself to the whole thing. It's usually a last resort, and always followed by briefings about how CoS is right, we could win this damn thing if we wanted to, but we finally just decided to pay it off because it's too much Dev-T and pulls everyone off of what we are trying to actually do. The whole attack against the CoS if based on fabricated stuff just to pull us off purpose, so after a 'careful eval' we laughingly give them some concession and refuse to let them 'win' by taking up our time and resources. Sounds pretty crazy, but I've seen too many damn things follow that patter when I was in. I'm sure there are battleplans and weirdness galore.

Infinite
26th September 2010, 03:57 AM
I'm coming around to the idea that Nancy does have the dosh. In my experience the rich are *always* slow payers because its better for them to have the money earning interest for as long as possible so why hand it over any sooner than you have to? The only problem with my theory is the bad PR angle . . . hmmmm.

<. . . goes back to munching pop corn . . . >

Panda Termint
26th September 2010, 04:47 AM
:think: Hmmm.... to speculate or not to speculate? I prefer NOT.

Arthur Dent
26th September 2010, 05:02 AM
My speculation is that the cofs will handle this with kid gloves with Ms. Cartwright. They can't afford any more PR crap, I mean flap, so I think they will not give Nancy the "standard" treatment but will go "non standard" and work it out with her to keep her on their side. A few hundred thousand isn't t

She is pretty dedicated but losing your beau to the sea and getting sued can certainly push one over the edge... oh my.:omg:

A few hundred thousand isn't that much money considering the potential of the flap.