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Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 02:23 PM
I'm on Facebook as a number of people here are. I like it but I don't spend too much time on it. Most of my friends on it are people I met in cyberspace connected to criticism of the cult, some FZ friends (many of whom are also critics, some not) and a nice sprinkling of family, friends, and coworkers. It's fun.

Ok, I'm a bit snarky and contentious but I'm flame free for months now. It's worked out fine. But this situation? This pisses me off. Let me tell you what happened.

I rarely put in friendship requests of people I don't know. Every now and again, I do so when it's suggested or something. I really don't remember asking to friend this person (name withheld) but I must have. Here's a message I got (again, name withheld) today:


Hey Claire,

I just got around to your request. I like your .com site, all except the partially nude "clam" pic at the bottom. So here's the deal, take of that pic and I'll accept the request.

(another paragraph- nothing odd in it-follows)

Ok, so this person is asking me to change my website so that it will friend me on Facebook. The offending pic isn't even ON Facebook. It's on my website. This is insane. I mean, the cult tried to make me stop saying and doing things and I didn't cave in to them. Why the hell I should cave into this person's requests, then, I really cannot imagine.

Also, I guess this person hasn't clicked the link that's on that same webpage that would take it to a whole set of John's jpgs about Scn that contain a whole lot more than a bare midriff, which is what the pic is. It's a bare midriff of an obviously comely young woman and it says Clearwater Clambake. You can't see tits. You can't see a vagina. You can't see a butt. No sexual act is depicted in that pic.

I wouldn't be pleased to see such a request even if the pic HAD been in my FB pix. But to make FB friendship contingent on someone editing their website? Really? That's insane. (plus, as I said, I will find it amusing when this person gets around to clicking the link to John's JPGs.)

This isn't the first time someone's expressed anger over this pic. It used to be my avatar on xenu.net. I took it down but I thought the fuss was silly. I had also received two requests (when I first put my website up) to take my entire website down.

It's clear to me that some people leave the cult but don't ditch the thinking.

Here's what I said back to this individual:

(intro paragraph and salutation)

then


As to the picture, well, it's just a torso. No breasts, no vagina. Says Clearwater Clambake on it. It's one of my husband's JPGs about Scn. In fact, if that annoys you, the link to my husband's JPGs which is also on the front page of my websie would annoy you further since 21% of those pictures contains out and out nudity. Breasts, bushes, you name it. It surprises me that a midriff would bug anyone.

Your request equates to censorship. It also does not make sense because you're objecting to something on my personal website- not something that's in my Facebook. I could ALMOST see it if this thing was in my facebook pics or profile, but it's not. So what you're doing is expressing disagreement with another part of my life. Actually, I'm sure I do all sorts of things you might not agree with- because that's how life is. I mean, what next? Review my entire life and let me know what I should or shouldn't do so that I can friend someone in cyberspace?

I wonder if you're someone I've talked to in cyberspace in the past. I rather think that may be the case. Be that as it may, if you look into my personal life and doings, you will find things you may not like. Same with everyone.

This is a truly bizarre message.

I mean, if someone doesn't like someone, then by all means don't friend them on Facebook. But something like this? Come on. If this person knew half the shit I did and thought, it would probably be quite disapproving, to say the least.

I wonder why it even bothered. Really.

This is going on my website, too.

SchwimmelPuckel
24th September 2010, 02:34 PM
Don't change a thing!

Burp.. I recall a lot of 'moral upheaval' about that picture.. From bible belt (..or is that 'chastity belt'?), teetotalers .. Hey.. Post it again! - Those moral upheavals are hilarious!

:yes:

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 02:37 PM
Heh heh.

Also- I misspoke- you can see the young lady's legs. But her crotch is tastefully covered (pun intended) with an oyster shell. (closest we could find to a clam shell.)

I've updated my front page describing this bizarre request.

If anyone wants to see the essay and/or the offending pic, click www.claireswazey.com

AngeloV
24th September 2010, 02:58 PM
VC,

I think your return e-mail to that person is well written and civil. Some folks feel that it is their job to force their morals onto other people. Oh well.

BTW, I checked out the 'clam' pic and liked it. :thumbsup:

Lurker5
24th September 2010, 03:00 PM
Do you think someone (ahem) is messing with you? I wonder if someone stole that person's (anyone's) FB ID (happened to me once) to harrass you? (Gee I wonder who would do that . . . . )

Seems weird that someone you do not remember ever requesting to friend, would reply to a friendship request with that. Unless it is an op . . .

Sharone Stainforth
24th September 2010, 03:54 PM
I shouldn't worry Fluffy, you want to see some of the bizarre emails I've been sent recently.Fortunately the most weird go to spam of which in the last month alone I have 177 all in Greek.

La La Lou Lou
24th September 2010, 04:16 PM
A friend is someone that likes you as you are, not someone who gives you conditions to make so that you can be friends. Face book obviously has a different definition of the word.

Zinjifar
24th September 2010, 04:48 PM
I don't really see the problem. You don't even remember sending the 'friend' request, so why bother even answering? I'd just blow it off.

Oh, and just guessing, but the message you got sounds really 'male', although I'll admit, some scientology infused women seem to take on a 'male valence'.

Zinj

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 05:14 PM
Yah, this nutjob and I have like 30 mutual friends. FB must have suggested it (I prefer to call this person an it) as a possible friend or something. So obviously this person's involved in either the FZ or the critic's scene or both.

For those who are from the East coast- you'll know what this means--

Person can just go pound salt.

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 05:15 PM
I shouldn't worry Fluffy, you want to see some of the bizarre emails I've been sent recently.Fortunately the most weird go to spam of which in the last month alone I have 177 all in Greek.

The internet culture is strange, isn't it. But it has brought us many real friends, anyway.

Usually, when I get out of the blue messages and emails that aren't spam, I get some pretty nice ones. This one? Well, it's amusing, anyway.

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 05:18 PM
The other thing is that this is a bit reminiscent of a flap on OCMB a few years ago. A number of people were pissed off because that Clearwater Clambake pic was my avatar. It didn't used to be. First it was just on my website as it is now. That's what prompted two people to tell me to take my website down. You'd have thought I was cooking and eating babies. Me being me and NOT being flame free in those days, decided to respond to these requests by making it my avatar. I got a LOT of flak for it. This reminds me of that. Probably has some of the same friends.

This is odd synchronicity because I actually was thinking of this just the other day prior to hearing from this butthole today. I had toyed with the idea of making it my avatar here and only refrained from doing this so as not to make things tougher on ESMB admin. I actually had thought of making it my avatar on MY forum, though.

Good twin
24th September 2010, 07:10 PM
It should be your avatar Fluffy.....and your profile pic on FB. :yes:

Lurker5
24th September 2010, 08:06 PM
Fluf/VC - Seems to me you've brought up your website and the photos before. I remember checking it all out previous to today (and again, today).

What is all the bruja-ja over nude art photos on a private website? It isn't really my cup of tea - but then I never claimed to be artistic - in any way :whistling: - so what do I know about it? They seem like nice photos - to me . . . So where are the naked fireman photos - for us gals (and gay dudes:-)??

Kidding.

One question - What is this Clearwater Clambake pic ? Can you link it here, or post it or something? Why would anyone object over that - what is it?

This is NOT OK !!!!
24th September 2010, 08:13 PM
Can I see "the rest of the photo"? :D

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 08:35 PM
Well, some people are prudes. I also have made some enemies in the critic's community. A couple people who do post here (as well as on other fora) were particularly incensed and I always thought it had something to do moar with yrs truly than with the pics themselves. Now this person who messaged me on FB today? I have no idea who it is since the FB profile isn't under a posting nick that I recognize. People do change them around.

My husband got into a lot of trouble with the cult for his JPGs. (there's a link on the front page of my site). Some of them have nudity in them. Most don't. But the cult hated them and there're a few critics who didn't like them, either. They were, of course, in the minority.

His Clearwater Clambake thing was just his way of being impish...it's a joking reference both to Clearwater as mecca of cultic perfection and to those who criticize it, since, of course, a major critical site and message board is clambake.org.

I can understand some people not liking it (not everyone likes everything, right?) and so I did take it down as my avatar on OCMB since some people made a horrendous fuss about it. And I refrained from putting Ems on the spot by making it my ESMB avatar. But I'll probably put it in as my avatar on MY forum and I'm certainly not taking it down from my website. I also plan to put it in my facebook photo album.

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 08:38 PM
One of the criticisms made on OCMB was that young girls are brutalized, exploited and that this pic is such an example. I'll be tactful here and just say that I disagree with this assessment as to why that pic is wrong. In any event, it's on my private website. But now that I got this awesome feedback today, it's going up in a couple moar places. And why is that? Because I'm a bitch. And because I don't like censorship. Plus I do not like contingencies and enforcement. Smacks of emotional blackmail and reminds me of CofS.

Sign of Success
24th September 2010, 08:58 PM
"And why is that? Because I'm a bitch"

I like people who has some honesty. :)

namaste
24th September 2010, 09:02 PM
Maybe you could compromise and just remove the oyster shell from the photo

Lurker5
24th September 2010, 09:05 PM
Ooooh - THAT photo - :lol:

:ohmy: :whistling: :D

Voltaire's Child
24th September 2010, 09:43 PM
Maybe you could compromise and just remove the oyster shell from the photo

Aw, hey, awesome idea! So (she asked innocently), what should I photoshop in where the oyster shell usedta be? :coolwink:

Axiom142
24th September 2010, 10:33 PM
Fluffy,

Have you tried asking them why they apparently find that photo so offensive and want it removed?

Perhaps they have a perfectly good reason, like, like, I dunno – they’re allergic to shellfish or something?

If you got them to discuss why they wanted it removed and why they were trying a crude form of emotional blackmail to do so, perhaps they might see how silly they were being?

Anyway, I don’t see this as being a big deal. If someone want to act like a w**ker, it’s not really your problem and you shouldn’t let them upset you.

Axiom142

SchwimmelPuckel
24th September 2010, 10:48 PM
Aw, hey, awesome idea! So (she asked innocently), what should I photoshop in where the oyster shell usedta be? :coolwink:Some sort of fluffy thing?

:whistling:

Axiom142
24th September 2010, 10:57 PM
Some sort of fluffy thing?

:whistling:

I believe the modern preference is for a smooth thing.

Or so I’ve heard. :whistling:

Ax

Smurf
24th September 2010, 11:01 PM
Fluffy,

Have you tried asking them why they apparently find that photo so offensive and want it removed?

Why compromise your integrity and ask? This seems like another example of some childish moron asserting their control over another.

"I'll be your friend IF......"

Axiom142
24th September 2010, 11:22 PM
Why compromise your integrity and ask? This seems like another example of some childish moron asserting their control over another.

"I'll be your friend IF......"

Asking a question isn’t compromising anything. I didn’t suggest that Fluffy capitulate (like that was ever going to happen :p ). Personally, when someone says something that doesn’t make sense, I want to find out why – perhaps I may have misunderstood. So, by getting them to explain what they have said and why, I attempt to gain an understanding.

Of course, it may well be that they are just plain nutty, in which case having given them a chance to appear rational and failing, I can rest easy. :tobed:

Axiom142

Zinjifar
24th September 2010, 11:28 PM
I still say it's a guy; not an 'it' :)

No woman would say 'So here's the deal, take of that pic and I'll accept the request.'

A woman would say 'Don't you think you should take that picture down? Hmm?'

Zinj

Kutta
24th September 2010, 11:35 PM
Nudity is beautiful. It's what some minds read into it that stinks.

degraded being
25th September 2010, 12:03 AM
The person is either trying to "press your buttons" or they are a wanker. Either way they should be ignored, or told to Fuck Off.

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 01:03 AM
Yah, you guys know I'm being snarky. I probably argue with ppl too much. And I've behaved myself for sooo long- the strain was killing me! So I opted to be kind of snarky about it...

I'm not traumatized or upset. Just pissed off and- as I said-snarky.

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 01:39 AM
Heh heh. I just changed my facebook pic. To THAT one. Yes. So if this person writes back anytime soon (the message said to be patient, sometimes it takes this person a while to answer back, etc) the first thing that will show in my return message will be my new avatar.

I can't take credit for this lovely idea. It was suggested to me both here and in FB by my lovely darling wonderful friends.

FoTi
25th September 2010, 01:58 AM
Heh heh.

Also- I misspoke- you can see the young lady's legs. But her crotch is tastefully covered (pun intended) with an oyster shell. (closest we could find to a clam shell.)

I've updated my front page describing this bizarre request.

If anyone wants to see the essay and/or the offending pic, click www.claireswazey.com

Is that you in that pic?

It looks very aesthetic to me.

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 01:59 AM
Is that you in that pic?

Nope.

Sharone Stainforth
25th September 2010, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by Fluffy.


Usually, when I get out of the blue messages and emails that aren't spam, I get some pretty nice ones. This one? Well, it's amusing, anyway.

Yesterday I got a very weird e-mail, the person in question seemed to think I was a man and wanted to know how many women I dated on line. The last thing on earth I would do is date anyone on line. I couldn't help but wonder if it was some sort of prank from a friend. Whatver it was , it did make me laugh as it was so rediculously silly.

Seriously though, I've been spammed in Greek for a month now, I wouldn't mind but I can't read Greek and those viagra sales are almost a temptation even though I have no need of it. The price is too good to be true, it's a bargain. Does anyone need some, I can get it really cheap. Every offer the prices are slashed.

Kutta
25th September 2010, 04:07 AM
Golly Sharone, do you think anyone here on ESMb is gonna admit to needing viagra?

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 04:29 AM
You guys are so funny!!

I, OTOH, on my amafluffygirl yahoo id, am on some Brazillian spam list. Dunno WHY.

Feral
25th September 2010, 04:44 AM
Fluffy you should say, "What?, next you'll be asking me to shut down my porn site!"

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 05:07 AM
That would be a scream, Kevin!!

Good twin
25th September 2010, 05:35 AM
Heh heh. I just changed my facebook pic. To THAT one. Yes. So if this person writes back anytime soon (the message said to be patient, sometimes it takes this person a while to answer back, etc) the first thing that will show in my return message will be my new avatar.

I can't take credit for this lovely idea. It was suggested to me both here and in FB by my lovely darling wonderful friends.

Hahaha. That's the old Fluffy. I suppose I always loved the snarky Fluffy. But don't want to interfere with your evolution to the kinder gentler Voltaire's Child. I love all of your Fluffications. Good job for standing up for your own freedom of expression. :thumbsup:

programmer_guy
25th September 2010, 06:06 AM
I get the occasional crap email adverts from time-to-time. I delete them without reading them.

I get the occasional crap Facebook friend invite from someone I don't know from time-to-time. I delete them without reading them.

Your "oyster shell over the vagina" pic is not offensive to me. I thought that it was a little weird but not offensive. But that is just me.

I thought that it was VERY ODD that someone said that you should take it down in order to accept communication from them from a completely different communication medium.

It's YOUR page and just do what you want with it.

Miss Pert
25th September 2010, 10:36 AM
Hey Fluffy, hope it's ok to call you that since I don't really know you well. I saw your post on FB regarding this, I have a FB friend who is a friend of yours and he commented on it so it came up on my home page. Anyway, I say good on ya and I sent you a friend request just so I could then hit the "like" button :)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cheryl

He-man
25th September 2010, 01:10 PM
People come in all shapes and sizes, to deny a friend request based on that picture seems weird to me, sure it isn't someone playing a prank on you?

Oh, I should also mention that I'm offended by that picture. Why is the bush covered? :grouch:

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 07:57 PM
Hey Fluffy, hope it's ok to call you that since I don't really know you well. I saw your post on FB regarding this, I have a FB friend who is a friend of yours and he commented on it so it came up on my home page. Anyway, I say good on ya and I sent you a friend request just so I could then hit the "like" button :)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Cheryl

Of course you could call me "Fluffy". It's an old screen nick of mine and my friends often call me Fluff or Fluffy.

Very nice to friend you, for sure!

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 07:58 PM
People come in all shapes and sizes, to deny a friend request based on that picture seems weird to me, sure it isn't someone playing a prank on you?

Plus, he didn't deny it yet. He sent me an ultimatum, a condition. It's just so irrational.


Oh, I should also mention that I'm offended by that picture. Why is the bush covered? :grouch:

I know, right?

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 08:04 PM
Hahaha. That's the old Fluffy. I suppose I always loved the snarky Fluffy. But don't want to interfere with your evolution to the kinder gentler Voltaire's Child. I love all of your Fluffications. Good job for standing up for your own freedom of expression. :thumbsup:

And, see, now that person's my bitch.

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 10:32 PM
Fluffy,

Have you tried asking them why they apparently find that photo so offensive and want it removed?

Perhaps they have a perfectly good reason, like, like, I dunno – they’re allergic to shellfish or something?

If you got them to discuss why they wanted it removed and why they were trying a crude form of emotional blackmail to do so, perhaps they might see how silly they were being?

Anyway, I don’t see this as being a big deal. If someone want to act like a w**ker, it’s not really your problem and you shouldn’t let them upset you.

Axiom142

I know. I was just so amazed. I was like, whoa. Hope person likes my new avatar.

nozeno
25th September 2010, 10:51 PM
So I guess this one can't be used either?


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/O71XV9/clams.jpg?t=1285451413

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 10:59 PM
Oh, god, that's too funny!

Cherished
25th September 2010, 11:01 PM
I'm with you on this one, Claire. It's a pretty arrogant thing to say - I'll be your friend IF... Wow.

Sir Facer
25th September 2010, 11:18 PM
Do not change a thing. I hate people who request others to do things this way, I was asked a similar thing on this board regarding one of my posts, didnt change a thing, cause it was one persons opinion of it & hey! It wasn't mine and if you put some thing out their on your own determinism in your way, well thats how it should stay!
What suprises me here is its not an offensive picture, and tells me this person has shit going on if that picture is worrying to them, I mean Ive seen more nudity in adds, seriously go and watch a foriegn film & get over it!

Voltaire's Child
25th September 2010, 11:36 PM
Agreed! Nutty person is nuts!

clamicide
26th September 2010, 01:06 AM
I still say it's a guy; not an 'it' :)

No woman would say 'So here's the deal, take of that pic and I'll accept the request.'

A woman would say 'Don't you think you should take that picture down? Hmm?'

Zinj

hmmmmmmmmm, I've met a couple radical vegan lesbians that would probably beg to differ and try to beat you with their bicycle pumps. Unless you don't count them as women...and then...:no: (not generalizing all radical militant vegan lesbians :D)

Of course, they might just be pissed about the death of a shellfish for art....

Voltaire's Child
26th September 2010, 04:39 PM
Yah, it's a guy. But I've not heard from him since I wrote back to him Friday. But he did say I should be patient since he's not on line all that often.

So I think I'm gonna leave my FB status (I wrote about this there, too) and dandy new profile pic up til he sees it.

Voltaire's Child
7th November 2010, 02:21 AM
I left the thread up on FB for a while to make sure that the dude sees it. I've rec'd many encouraging comments. Only one stupid one and that person was part of a very small group of people who used to follow me around OCMB whining about John's JPGs while another OCMBer posted JPGs of HIS own that were every bit as crude. So this silly post on my wall was just today. Heh.

Voltaire's Child
7th November 2010, 02:22 AM
I also rescinded my friend request to that one person.

Royal Prince Xenu
7th November 2010, 10:38 AM
So I guess this one can't be used either?


http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg201/O71XV9/clams.jpg?t=1285451413




:hysterical:

I didn't realize the Earth had so many moons.

I'll admit that I'm not exactly a fan of the photos, but I'm not about to tell someone they should take them down.

And to think I got in trouble on one forum because I used the logon "Cupid Stunt"!

Voltaire's Child
7th November 2010, 04:04 PM
Well, me being me, this request has only caused me to spread the picture around all the moar.... heh. :D

uniquemand
7th November 2010, 04:27 PM
Claire, I'm willing to read your posts, here on ESMB, if you'll remove your website from your sigfile.

Voltaire's Child
8th November 2010, 05:33 AM
Heh!