Reincarnation a bad habit.

[jennifer]

Does a belief in reincarnation perpetuate its continuation?
To be reborn in the flesh over & over again.
I don't believe anyone has yet really proven having had a past identity except maybe in sessions of Scientology & other belief systems of a relative nature.This can be of the imagination
Nobody has reported back from heaven or hell either.
I sincerely believe I have recalled having been of other identities in the past but the substance of these no longer exist only being now of the imagination.
I don't see though the purpose of continuing on & on being reborn in the flesh. I can often enjoy the fleshy experiences but how the body can become sick,injured, disabled, old & die or struggle in the pits of society can be nasty.
Its really only a meat product of unique design but continues staying a bad habit requiring always to survive.
LRH seemed excited about how he believed he discovered life must survive.
So what. Forced to survive no wonder teenagers can rebel as I did careworn about always repeating usually the same old shit.

[nexus100]

"Forced to survive no wonder teenagers can rebel as I did careworn about always repeating usually the same old shit."

Try eating a couple habanero peppers. I guarantee your next one will be different.

[Nec_V20]

jennifer,

the best thing to do is build up a web of trust.

I would recommend that you PM Kerry, MissDorfl, Fluffy, Terril or Olska.

Why?

Because they think I'm an asshole, but at least they are informed in their opinion and are personal friends of mine in spite of that.

You can't ask for more than that now can you?

[jennifer]

Enjoying been cynical I recall a time in Scientology when someone who was too sweet ARC'Y how nice everyone & everything is was looked at as thety weety. Smiling like syrup saving every little thetan around for the good of everyone. It disgusted the spirit but how can one argue against who requires always being nice always there for one always granting beingness never having a bad word to say about anyone & anything. I am afraid this still sickens me. Especially when more money is required for the next step to salvage the little thetan how nice & marvelous all is within the greatest group in the universe blah blah etc etc. We have all the answers all the solutions to all problems blah blah etc etc. Clap Clap what a wonderful succes story. All gaze upon the picture of Ron clap clap our source Thank u Sir for saving us Hear hear. On & on in the same tedious circuit. Next level when are u going to the next level over the bridge blah blah etc etc. Where is so & so Havn't u heard he or she was declared Oh my what evil people not even asking what they did. Like in the army never answer back yes sir no sir three bags full sir but what one can really think of them would make their hair stand on end. Ron with his sec check being paranoiac about what anyone could think bad or evil about him HIM my God how can anyone think bad about RON the light & the way. The same shit over & over again

[nexus100]

Enjoying been cynical I recall a time in Scientology when someone who was too sweet ARC'Y how nice everyone & everything is was looked at as thety weety. Smiling like syrup saving every little thetan around for the good of everyone. It disgusted the spirit but how can one argue against who requires always being nice always there for one always granting beingness never having a bad word to say about anyone & anything. I am afraid this still sickens me. Especially when more money is required for the next step to salvage the little thetan how nice & marvelous all is within the greatest group in the universe blah blah etc etc. We have all the answers all the solutions to all problems blah blah etc etc. Clap Clap what a wonderful succes story. All gaze upon the picture of Ron clap clap our source Thank u Sir for saving us Hear hear. On & on in the same tedious circuit. Next level when are u going to the next level over the bridge blah blah etc etc. Where is so & so Havn't u heard he or she was declared Oh my what evil people not even asking what they did. The same shit over & over again

Jenn, be honest, you planned the second post before the first or at least the second is more exactly what you want to say. That method is called a "lead-in" and is very popular since the advent of commercialization. Dicken's famous "It was the best of times, it was the wurst of times", I believe advertising German sausage, began it all.

Congrats on sharing your thoughts at any rate. You are not alone.

[Tanstaafl]

Dicken's famous "It was the best of times, it was the wurst of times", I believe advertising German sausage, began it all.


LOL! Now it makes sense to me: "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a fife."
Jane Austen clearly took a back-hander from a prominent instrument manufacturer of the time. :yes:

[Björkist]

Neither has anyone proven that we don't live again and again except by using the person's own poor memory as "proof".

[Prufrock]

Neither has anyone proven that we don't live again and again except by using the person's own poor memory as "proof".

Could you please look at the graph an explain to me where all the reincarnated souls are coming from? The human population began growing exponentially only recently in human history.

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html

[Tanstaafl]

I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last lifetime but here I am again, still on the unmerry-go-round. :melodramatic:

Ideas for an increasing population:-

1. How do animals do it? Presumably there are many more dogs and cats on this planet than there were a century ago. One answer - they split.

2. Have you seen kids today? What thetan? :) Operating GEs. Think about it - it explains the popularity of dire modern music and reality tv.

3. It's a bloody big universe. How many thetans are out there?

4. Shunted down from Marcab prisons when vacancies become available.

5. All those BTs audited on the NOTS band need somewhere to go.

6. Likewise for the denizens of the six universes below this one (according to Hubbard) who are processing themselves up the line (hopefully).

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Björkist]

Could you please look at the graph an explain to me where all the reincarnated souls are coming from? The human population began growing exponentially only recently in human history.

http://www.susps.org/overview/numbers.html


There's just a whole lotta fucking going on.

[Prufrock]

I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last lifetime but here I am again, still on the unmerry-go-round. :melodramatic:

Ideas for an increasing population:-

1. How do animals do it? Oh I don't know, doggie-style?
Presumably there are many more dogs and cats on this planet than there were a century ago. One answer - they split.
No, they breed.


2. Have you seen kids today? What thetan? :) Operating GEs. Think about it - it explains the popularity of dire modern music and reality tv. I thought the dwindling spiral explained that.:duh:


3. It's a bloody big universe. How many thetans are out there? Yes it is. But if you are willing to entertain the belief that the cosmos is full of intelligent life forms, which I am, then you must also be willing to entertain the belief that we are the first to achieve this level of intelligence.


4. Shunted down from Marcab prisons when vacancies become available. I think I'm more willing to believe in ants, protzoa or even dinosaurs being reincarnated as humans. Maybe elron was a reincarnated dung bettle, and DM is a reincarnated hyena.


5. All those BTs audited on the NOTS band need somewhere to go. Why hasn't the Co$ introduced a BT trap, like the one in Ghost Busters to contain BTs? They could make a fortune selling such a containment device to the true believers.


6. Likewise for the denizens of the six universes below this one (according to Hubbard) who are processing themselves up the line (hopefully). Well if elron said so, it must be true.:eyeroll:

[Tanstaafl]

No, they breed.

The GEs breed? :unsure:


I thought the dwindling spiral explained that.:duh:

Shit, if it's dwindling that quickly it's time to hit the panic button! :nervous:


Yes it is. But if you are willing to entertain the belief that the cosmos is full of intelligent life forms, which I am, then you must also be willing to entertain the belief that we are the first to achieve this level of intelligence.

I'm willing to believe we are the first to achieve this level of stupidity. :)


I think I'm more willing to believe in ants, protzoa or even dinosaurs being reincarnated as humans. Maybe elron was a reincarnated dung bettle, and DM is a reincarnated hyena.

I don't know the truth but I kinda like L. Kin's GE theta-pools as an explanation.


Why hasn't the Co$ introduced a BT trap, like the one in Ghost Busters to contain BTs? They could make a fortune selling such a containment device to the true believers.

Presumably because it couldn't differentiate between BTs and DM and his cronies.


Well if elron said so, it must be true.:eyeroll:

Absolutely, or if a bloke down the pub said it.

BTW, I was just kicking some ideas around for fun. I don't know the answer to "where did all the new thetans come from?".

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Prufrock]

BTW, I was just kicking some ideas around for fun. I don't know the answer to "where did all the new thetans come from?".

Cheers

tanstaafl

This statement assumes the existence of a soul, the existence of which I am not ready to concede.

Whether one believes humans are ensouled or not, or are reincarnated or not, it all boils down to belief. I tend not to believe. As for the fanciful notion of a genetic entity, it's also just a belief, as it's not supported by facts and certainly can't be tested.

[Tanstaafl]

This statement assumes the existence of a soul, the existence of which I am not ready to concede.


Then you don't exist so why the hell am I replying to you! :duh: :D

[Open Mind]

It's true thought that there is no evidence of a GE. It's really a genralization of certain processes of the mind-body.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

I didn't believe in reincarnation in my last lifetime but here I am again, still on the unmerry-go-round. :melodramatic:

Ideas for an increasing population:-

1. How do animals do it? Presumably there are many more dogs and cats on this planet than there were a century ago. One answer - they split.

Life is infinite. 1/2 infinity is still infinite. Life will go on.

2. Have you seen kids today? What thetan? :) Operating GEs. Think about it - it explains the popularity of dire modern music and reality tv.

There is a back-log of older beings who should have moved on, but haven't. In New-Age speak, the Indigo children are coming through to disrupt and break down the existing system so that those who should have moved on, reach that realization and do so. Then will come the next cataclysm (like the Biblical flood) which will start the "next school year" albeit one that lasts approx 3.5 millenia.

3. It's a bloody big universe. How many thetans are out there?

"Space is big; really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. You may think it's a long walk to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space..."

4. Shunted down from Marcab prisons when vacancies become available.

We need to put up a bloody big sign: NO VACANCY!

5. All those BTs audited on the NOTS band need somewhere to go.

If they weren't properly audited they take to occupying inanimate objects leading to "gremlins" and other faults in equipment.

6. Likewise for the denizens of the six universes below this one (according to Hubbard) who are processing themselves up the line (hopefully).

As in 2 above, we have higher multiverses to move through as well.

Cheers

tanstaafl[/QUOTE]

[Tanstaafl]

"Space is big; really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. You may think it's a long walk to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space..."

That quote permeates my mind in exactly the same way that a brick doesn't. :)

RPX, do believe in this indigo children idea?
If so, do you have any insights into it?

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Royal Prince Xenu]

That quote permeates my mind in exactly the same way that a brick doesn't. :)

RPX, do believe in this indigo children idea?
If so, do you have any insights into it?

Cheers

tanstaafl

That wouldn't happen to be a gold brick wrapped in a slice of lemon?

When the "flood" purged the Earth, it was the beginning of a new cycle, and there were those older souls (I think age is measured from waking to awareness of self) who chose to stay on as guides for the following generations. Apparently, in harmony with this practice, the Earth undergoes a major cataclysm every 2-3 thousand years. The next one is overdue by nearly a complete cycle. You will even hear the phrase from the most atheistic "S/he's an old soul." At a fourth dynamic level, there is movement happening.

LRH even makes mention of the cataclysm, but is factually incorrect. The Planet Earth changed orbit and rotation, but being stripped of its atmosphere is total crap. Float a bowl in a sink of water and partially fill it with water. Now, spin the water inside the bowl until the bowl itself has a good speed. Then grap and stop the bowl suddenly. You will note the turbulence as the water in the bowl attempts to keep spinning. That is what happens when planetary rotation is changed, the oceans wash up over the land, and tropical areas end up as arctic, etc. There is even a map (I can't remember how old) of Antarctica as it appears UNDER all the ice.

There is evidence that the Sphynx was built in a rainforest environment (water damage), and signs of repair that date it back some 10,000 years (for the Astrologer in you, that's the Age of Leo).

I believe I am a broken Indigo. I arrived early as part of the "spearhead". Like the story of Jesus, I was asking questions that the great theologians could not answer, when I was only 12 (which is why Scn seemed so great -- it APPEARED to have all the answers). There were so few of us, that we dented the system, but it broke us. My niece is definitely Indigo. She was still in diapers and could barely walk, but boy! Did she inflict severe 8C in defence of her older siblings! So much, so that she may, in fact, be a crystal generation instead.

Many indigos exhibit the medical symptoms of ADD and ADHD. They are the destroyers of what is now.

The crystal generation are those who will begin the rebuilding.

It's odd, that before I stumbled on any of this, I wrote a story about a garden (almost of Eden, if you like) that was entirely crystalline. So am I predicting what follows, or part of it?

My pathetic ego, prays to my higher self that it decides to move on!

Like LRH, I have compiled this from eclectic sources. Unlike LRH, I don't claim it to be my own.

As for the whole reincarnation thing, I stick by my statement that "life" goes on. Whether what we call an "identity" continues to exist is entirely another matter on which I have very limited data.

I hope I haven't muddied the waters too much for you! :)

[Tanstaafl]

That wouldn't happen to be a gold brick wrapped in a slice of lemon?

When the "flood" purged the Earth, it was the beginning of a new cycle, and there were those older souls (I think age is measured from waking to awareness of self) who chose to stay on as guides for the following generations. Apparently, in harmony with this practice, the Earth undergoes a major cataclysm every 2-3 thousand years. The next one is overdue by nearly a complete cycle. You will even hear the phrase from the most atheistic "S/he's an old soul." At a fourth dynamic level, there is movement happening.

LRH even makes mention of the cataclysm, but is factually incorrect. The Planet Earth changed orbit and rotation, but being stripped of its atmosphere is total crap. Float a bowl in a sink of water and partially fill it with water. Now, spin the water inside the bowl until the bowl itself has a good speed. Then grap and stop the bowl suddenly. You will note the turbulence as the water in the bowl attempts to keep spinning. That is what happens when planetary rotation is changed, the oceans wash up over the land, and tropical areas end up as arctic, etc. There is even a map (I can't remember how old) of Antarctica as it appears UNDER all the ice.

There is evidence that the Sphynx was built in a rainforest environment (water damage), and signs of repair that date it back some 10,000 years (for the Astrologer in you, that's the Age of Leo).

I believe I am a broken Indigo. I arrived early as part of the "spearhead". Like the story of Jesus, I was asking questions that the great theologians could not answer, when I was only 12 (which is why Scn seemed so great -- it APPEARED to have all the answers). There were so few of us, that we dented the system, but it broke us. My niece is definitely Indigo. She was still in diapers and could barely walk, but boy! Did she inflict severe 8C in defence of her older siblings! So much, so that she may, in fact, be a crystal generation instead.

Many indigos exhibit the medical symptoms of ADD and ADHD. They are the destroyers of what is now.

The crystal generation are those who will begin the rebuilding.

It's odd, that before I stumbled on any of this, I wrote a story about a garden (almost of Eden, if you like) that was entirely crystalline. So am I predicting what follows, or part of it?

My pathetic ego, prays to my higher self that it decides to move on!

Like LRH, I have compiled this from eclectic sources. Unlike LRH, I don't claim it to be my own.

As for the whole reincarnation thing, I stick by my statement that "life" goes on. Whether what we call an "identity" continues to exist is entirely another matter on which I have very limited data.

I hope I haven't muddied the waters too much for you! :)

Thanks RPX - very interesting.

I'm glad you told me about that 'cos I realised my view on the Indigo Children had been tainted by a professional psychic I was friends with who believed that stuff but was mad as a hatter. I have a failing in accepting/rejecting the message based on the aesthetic qualities of the messenger. :duh: I must work on that.

Any ideas why these kids may apparently exhibit the symptoms of ADD/ADHD?

Cheers

tanstaafl

[jennifer]

It's so easy conceiving another human being. Females continue getting laid. Sex continues being popular for breeding & for entertainment.
It doesn't take much to breed another human being into existemce. Just have sex.
It's how the means for breeding is part of the constitution of every female & male organism that continues enabling breeding more people into the labour & consumer markets of socio-political systems kept working.
Imagine all the new Scientolgists that will be bred into existence. It's all about the musical chairs of replacing humans always dying.
Both the labour & consumer markets depend on more breeding so that the turnovers of people can keep the systems working.
As people continue becoming born others continue dying as always people continue growing older toward sooner or later all end up dying. Its a waste of time taking death personal because it happens to everybody.
So where do all the thetans fit into this from whence have they come. Are they continuing to fall from grace as angels falling down to Earth from other places & spaces. Joining the labour & consumer markets of Earth as human bodies. Always needing to be secure making money & gaining possessions looking always for the better to best positions.
I liked reading about the late dear old Ron always concerned about his security running always from the Revenue service like good old Al Capone; Ron was always carrying suitcases of money from place to place. Oh how I wishh I could have been there assisting him offload his hard earned cash.

[nexus100]

"Sex continues being popular for breeding & for entertainment."

So true. Who thought that fad would ever last?

[Voltaire's Child]

Spirituality is infinite. "Souls" can be created or they can join back in with the infinite pool of spirit.

So that's where they all come from, IMO.

[Tanstaafl]

Spirituality is infinite. "Souls" can be created or they can join back in with the infinite pool of spirit.

So that's where they all come from, IMO.

Hey Fluff,

If I'm duplicating you - wouldn't you expect "new blood" to be noticeably less aberrated than the rest of us "old timers"?

[Zinjifar]

Hey Fluff,

If I'm duplicating you - wouldn't you expect "new blood" to be noticeably less aberrated than the rest of us "old timers"?

Only if Ron's 'cosmology' made sense :)

Zinj

[Dulloldfart]

Only if Ron's 'cosmology' made sense :)

Zinj

It makes sense to many.

So I hear.

But I've had a problem over this "Where do all these thetans come from?" thingy too. I never really thought of it until I was 25, then someone told me it would all be explained on OT3. That kept me going until a couple of years ago when I decided the OT3 story was, shall we say, inconsistent with reality.

There's an SHSBC Level A tape where Hubbard talks about new thetans being created - poof! - just like that, from existing thetans. I think the title is something like the Parts of Man, but there are two with that title, this one is maybe the 1959 one, maybe??? I don't recall him ever bringing up the subject again, and all thetans after that seemed to be trillions of years old at the very least, with most after 1978 seeming to go back at least quadrillions and several universes.

I don't know at all. The fact that Hubbard said it don't mean squat with me now, although once it was the hallmark of truth, personally certified by the Man Himself.

Maybe these people who say they haven't lived before REALLY HAVEN'T LIVED BEFORE, and only came into existence shortly before their births!

But I doubt it.

Maybe as someone said it's just all that fucking going on. The action of copulation creates an energy vortex that sucks in a compatible soul from wherever, physical distance being no impediment.

Perhaps Hubbard had the same question, and since he had to have an answer for everything, he just explained away his own tangled and mangled chakra cords as packaged clusters to explain the mystery at the same time. :)

Paul

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

That wouldn't happen to be a gold brick wrapped in a slice of lemon?

When the "flood" purged the Earth, it was the beginning of a new cycle, and there were those older souls (I think age is measured from waking to awareness of self) who chose to stay on as guides for the following generations. Apparently, in harmony with this practice, the Earth undergoes a major cataclysm every 2-3 thousand years. The next one is overdue by nearly a complete cycle. You will even hear the phrase from the most atheistic "S/he's an old soul." At a fourth dynamic level, there is movement happening.

LRH even makes mention of the cataclysm, but is factually incorrect. The Planet Earth changed orbit and rotation, but being stripped of its atmosphere is total crap. Float a bowl in a sink of water and partially fill it with water. Now, spin the water inside the bowl until the bowl itself has a good speed. Then grap and stop the bowl suddenly. You will note the turbulence as the water in the bowl attempts to keep spinning. That is what happens when planetary rotation is changed, the oceans wash up over the land, and tropical areas end up as arctic, etc. There is even a map (I can't remember how old) of Antarctica as it appears UNDER all the ice.

There is evidence that the Sphynx was built in a rainforest environment (water damage), and signs of repair that date it back some 10,000 years (for the Astrologer in you, that's the Age of Leo).

I believe I am a broken Indigo. I arrived early as part of the "spearhead". Like the story of Jesus, I was asking questions that the great theologians could not answer, when I was only 12 (which is why Scn seemed so great -- it APPEARED to have all the answers). There were so few of us, that we dented the system, but it broke us. My niece is definitely Indigo. She was still in diapers and could barely walk, but boy! Did she inflict severe 8C in defence of her older siblings! So much, so that she may, in fact, be a crystal generation instead.

Many indigos exhibit the medical symptoms of ADD and ADHD. They are the destroyers of what is now.

The crystal generation are those who will begin the rebuilding.

It's odd, that before I stumbled on any of this, I wrote a story about a garden (almost of Eden, if you like) that was entirely crystalline. So am I predicting what follows, or part of it?

My pathetic ego, prays to my higher self that it decides to move on!

Like LRH, I have compiled this from eclectic sources. Unlike LRH, I don't claim it to be my own.

As for the whole reincarnation thing, I stick by my statement that "life" goes on. Whether what we call an "identity" continues to exist is entirely another matter on which I have very limited data.

I hope I haven't muddied the waters too much for you! :)

In "Have you Lived Before This Life" there is one case recalling when he was a crystalline being and he was aware of there being 16 universes. There is an aesthetic draw for humans towards things crystalline. Snowflakes.

I read the posts on the Indigo Yahoo Groups and some of them have some extended perceptics and abilities beyond the regular corn-fed human.

[Voltaire's Child]

Hey Fluff,

If I'm duplicating you - wouldn't you expect "new blood" to be noticeably less aberrated than the rest of us "old timers"?

hmm....isn't that an interesting question...

Weeellll...

depends on where/what they split off from. And when. And what travelled with the genetic entity.

Lemme tell ya--- one thinks that picking up a new body is a fresh slate. Yeah, I know LRH said it ain't. But last lifetime, I was oh so sure I could be in control. I was so sure. So I bumped myself off.

I waited a while to come back.

I thought I was so clever.

I made some design changes to the body when in utero.

I knew Dianetics backwards and forwards.

You know what? I had an incredibly rocky road. I was the scardiest most nervous little kid you ever saw.

Then I came up tone and got good and pissed. But at that point, 'way I was actin', I might as well have been wearing high water slacks, a beanie with a propeller, a red bow tie and saying "I know you are but what am I?"

Took me a while to get past a lot of that stuff and it isn't over yet!

So the moral of the story is that these identies, bodies, mest universe things really carry baggage and a being can get stuck with it even when they were sure they wouldn't.

Or so it seems to me.

Ehhhh...what do I know.:confused2: :blush: :melodramatic:

[Prufrock]

Then you don't exist so why the hell am I replying to you! :duh: :D


Descartes and I would disagree with you on this one. Although if elron had appropreated "I think, therefore I am" as his own, he might have re-written it as, "I think for you, therefore I grant you beingness.":coolwink:

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Thanks RPX - very interesting.

I'm glad you told me about that 'cos I realised my view on the Indigo Children had been tainted by a professional psychic I was friends with who believed that stuff but was mad as a hatter. I have a failing in accepting/rejecting the message based on the aesthetic qualities of the messenger. :duh: I must work on that.

Any ideas why these kids may apparently exhibit the symptoms of ADD/ADHD?

Cheers

tanstaafl

I'll address Fluffy's issue first, about souls splitting off from the infinite. Those who've gotten so far and just aren't interested in "life" can be reabsorbed into the infinite as well. So there can be as many or as few thetan (I like the word souls better) as are required.

tanstaafl cites reference to 16 "universes", so lets clear that up because Uni means one, 16 means "multiverse" in which there are to the best of my knowledge 15 realms and the human condition is around 6 or 7, say 6 to be conservative.

When I visit a psychic I like to ask a question that cannot be answered without foreknowledge. The most recent was a visit from my grandmother. I said "Give her the name B*****." She hated her first name and always went by her middle name. The answer was "You'll get yours." That was Nan! At the end of the session the lady asked "Who's G*****?" I'd got mine alright! That was my birth name which I equally hated.

As it is somewhat unusual for a child to move up a year at school independently, so it is equally unusual for a soul to ascend a level independently. The school analogy continues, as approximately every 2-3 thousand years there is a cataclysmic even that cleanses the earth of much lifekind, and those who have graduated move up a level.

The last time this happened was the "flood" which was the Earth's change in orbit and rotation. LRH's spin on stripping the atmosphere is complete BS, but there is evidence of the polar change, both measured in core samples and also by a very old map that depicts Antarctica as it appears UNDER the ice. (It is quite likely that Columbus was aware of America from a similar source and didn't "accidentally" discover it.) Momentum meant that the oceans washed up over the land, and the people recording the event assosciated rain fall with water rising. That was approximately 5-7 thousand years ago, so the next one is almost a complete cycle overdue. It is "apparently" being held off because of a critical number of souls that "got it wrong" and had to repeat the "year", and now we have a massive build up of very old souls waiting to move on regardless, a bunch of middle aged souls equally ready to move on, or in some cases stay behind as guides, and an overload of super-young souls waiting to start the cycle of throwing sticks and stones at each other, while some of the guiding ones show off by parting waters, burning bushes, and ascending mountains to talk to fiery "gods". "I bring forth these fifteen -- oops -- these ten commandments from the Lord..."

I had problems with group agreements for such things as airline crashes etc. until I heard an interesting story. A chap who could see auras in normal daylight was waiting with a friend for a lift. When it stopped on their floor he noted that all the occupants exhibited black auras. He restrained his friend from entering and said "This is not our lift. We'll wait for the next one." Suffice to say that the cable broke and all inside the lift perished.

So when I was asked about 3000 people coming together to be pulverized in 911 I could only suggest that it's mostly indigos trying to shock the world into change. Ditto regarding the Bali bombings

"...as you are no doubt aware the plans for the outer-lying regions of the western spiral arm of the galaxy require the construction of a hyperspace express route through your star system, and regretably, your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition. The process will take slightly less than two of your Earth minutes. Thank you very much."

I had written a better reply than this, but the computer crashed and all those words have been sent to silicon heaven.

[Tanstaafl]

Fluff - interesting story; thanks for that!



Descartes and I would disagree with you on this one. Although if elron had appropreated "I think, therefore I am" as his own, he might have re-written it as, "I think for you, therefore I grant you beingness.":coolwink:

Hey Prufrock

"I think therefore I have automaticities" would be closer to the mark.
"I know/look/feel therefore I am" would be more valid IMO.

"It hurts therefore I am is" probably closer to reality for many.

As I posted elsewhere, the act of thinking probably covers a scale/band of operation. It depends how you want to define it. LRH seemed to let the term "thought" embrace all considerations and I don't think that's smart.

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Tanstaafl]

RPX - thanks for taking the time to explain that.

It was interesting how resentful I felt when you mentioned "Those who've gotten so far and just aren't interested in "life" can be reabsorbed into the infinite as well." Quitters! I don't think they should be "reabsorbed" - they'll just lower the tone of the neighbourhood. :angry:

In my early Scn days I met a lady who had similar beliefs and I arrogantly and condescendingly explained to her "No, you've got it the wrong way around. We're not learning anything, we're on a dwindling spiral" Oh the conceit! :melodramatic:

I just had a cog! The truth is that theta-wise I just don't have a bloody clue what the hell is going on!

A couple of weeks back I had a strong feeling that I wasn't "supposed" to do any more Scn - it was not my agreed path. It felt very strange - like time had already run it's course and I was just reading the script. Of course, any good Elronner would tell you that this is a manifestation of the bank trying to preserve itself, but I feel there is more to it than that.

There are more theta games going on in this universe than Scn would have us know of - presumably because LRH only wanted us to play in his game.

Cheers

tanstaafl

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Fluff - interesting story; thanks for that!




Hey Prufrock

"I think therefore I have automaticities" would be closer to the mark.
"I know/look/feel therefore I am" would be more valid IMO.

"It hurts therefore I am is" probably closer to reality for many.

As I posted elsewhere, the act of thinking probably covers a scale/band of operation. It depends how you want to define it. LRH seemed to let the term "thought" embrace all considerations and I don't think that's smart.

Cheers

tanstaafl

It hurts, therefore f'off and leave me alone?

I started out with "I think therefore I am", but gave up when I got to rice pudding and income taxes.

[Voltaire's Child]

I was thinking that sometimes they don't just split off from the infinite, but that they split off from other beings who had, in turn, split off from the infinite a very very long time ago...

[Alanzo]

I was thinking that sometimes they don't just split off from the infinite, but that they split off from other beings who had, in turn, split off from the infinite a very very long time ago...

I don't think there is such a thing as QUANTITY with spiritual things.

if there was an ocean of water balloons, the surf would still be the surf, waves would still be waves.

And each little water balloon would come to feel that he was SO IMPORTANT!

[Tanstaafl]

And each little water balloon would come to feel that he was SO IMPORTANT!

I think you just succinctly summarised the whole problem! :thumbsup:
At the top of The Bridge to Total Status is: No longer has his (or anyone else's) water balloons!

Now we know what we're aiming for! :happydance:

[Zinjifar]

I think you just succinctly summarised the whole problem! :thumbsup:
At the top of The Bridge to Total Status is: No longer has his (or anyone else's) water balloons!

Now we know what we're aiming for! :happydance:

It kind of depends. You can't be a gnarly surfer if you're the surf.

Zinj

[Tanstaafl]

It kind of depends. You can't be a gnarly surfer if you're the surf.

Zinj

Dude, I know your the undisputed master of inval and eval, but do you have to rain on all my parades?! :D

[nexus100]

I think you just succinctly summarised the whole problem! :thumbsup:
At the top of The Bridge to Total Status is: No longer has his (or anyone else's) water balloons!

Now we know what we're aiming for! :happydance:

Well, I don't want to go to total status. I NEED my balloon. Especially to rub my fingers on to make that awful noise!

[Tanstaafl]

Well, I don't want to go to total status. I NEED my balloon. Especially to rub my fingers on to make that awful noise!

Heretic! Blasphemer!
Alanzo we need wood, gasoline and matches!

[Zinjifar]

Well, I don't want to go to total status. I NEED my balloon. Especially to rub my fingers on to make that awful noise!

Balloons is good! You can rub them on your hair and stick them to the wall. You can fill them up with interesting atmospheres! You can deflate and inflate them at will. You can print cheesy advertising slogans on them. You can tie them with a string; you can give them to the cats.

You can let them fly like a rocket.

Zinj

[Tanstaafl]

Balloons is good! You can rub them on your hair and stick them to the wall. You can fill them up with interesting atmospheres! You can deflate and inflate them at will. You can print cheesy advertising slogans on them. You can tie them with a string; you can give them to the cats.

You can let them fly like a rocket.

Zinj

I can see it now - a huge rift between two factions within ESMB - the Pro Balloonists and the Antis!

[Zinjifar]

I can see it now - a huge rift between two factions within ESMB - the Pro Balloonists and the Antis!

There is no un (or anti) balloonists; only unballoon. Nameless; faceless; unspeakable :)

Zinj

[Alanzo]

There is no un (or anti) balloonists; only unballoon. Nameless; faceless; unspeakable :)

Zinj
The UnBalloon - no air, no water, no blowing, nothing to sputter or fill up. And nothing to pop!

AiY!

I can't conceive of it!!!!

[Div6]

I can see it now - a huge rift between two factions within ESMB - the Pro Balloonists and the Antis!

Notice the not so subtle attempt at 3rd party....

Now who would like to see this board devolve into internicine warfare?

Who is paying you Tans?

:D :D :D

[Tanstaafl]

Notice the not so subtle attempt at 3rd party....

Now who would like to see this board devolve into internicine warfare?

Who is paying you Tans?

:D :D :D

Oh I can't keep silent any longer! :bigcry:
It was Alanzo - he made me do it!
He said he would see that I would never gain access to the confidential levels needed to reach the top of the Bridge to Total Status unless I followed his orders to sew the seeds of discord and disharmony wherever I posted.
The Dark Lord (Alanzo) seeks to divide and conquer whilst appearing to be our friend. His motto is "One Bridge to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!"

In the name of all that is holy, get Bea to make her 2,000 post now - she's the only one who can stop him! :omg:

[Jimmy Cricket]

"One Bridge to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!"


Wow, that's DM in a nutshell. Very nicely said.

[Alanzo]

Oh I can't keep silent any longer! :bigcry:
It was Alanzo - he made me do it!
He said he would see that I would never gain access to the confidential levels needed to reach the top of the Bridge to Total Status unless I followed his orders to sew the seeds of discord and disharmony wherever I posted.
The Dark Lord (Alanzo) seeks to divide and conquer whilst appearing to be our friend. His motto is "One Bridge to rule them all and in the darkness bind them!"

In the name of all that is holy, get Bea to make her 2,000 post now - she's the only one who can stop him! :omg:

You've made your last mistake, Tansy!

You signed a bond that you would never tell!

You will PAY. You've never swam in sarcasm like the oceans that will be heaped upon you!

Sarcasm and ... SATIRE!!!

Yes. That's right!

SATIRE!

[Tanstaafl]

You've made your last mistake, Tansy!

You signed a bond that you would never tell!

You will PAY. You've never swam in sarcasm like the oceans that will be heaped upon you!

Sarcasm and ... SATIRE!!!

Yes. That's right!

SATIRE!

:notworthy: Spare me, thy unworthy servant, I beseech thee Oh great and vengeful one! Show mercy....and take pity on a wretched degraded being such as myself :bigcry:

[Voltaire's Child]

"don't break my pretty balloon. If I want to be a dreamer let me."- Vikki Carr

[Voltaire's Child]

Another thing I thought of...I think that one being can run many bodies...

[Lulu Belle]

I hope I haven't muddied the waters too much for you! :)


An ironic thing to say, coming from a spinning toilet. :eyeroll:

[Voltaire's Child]

I thought that was a spinning phone booth from Dr Who or something.

[TheSneakster]

An ironic thing to say, coming from a spinning toilet. :eyeroll:

That is not a portable toilet.

It is an U.K. Police Box (telephone booth you can secure from inside to protect yourself whilst calling the "bobbies"). It is also the visible manifestation of Dr. Who's T.A.R.D.I.S. time/space/dimension travelling ship which is usually seen spinning like that as it hurtles through some sort of dimensional vortex.

The Sneakster

[Royal Prince Xenu]

That is not a portable toilet.

It is an U.K. Police Box (telephone booth you can secure from inside to protect yourself whilst calling the "bobbies"). It is also the visible manifestation of Dr. Who's T.A.R.D.I.S. time/space/dimension travelling ship which is usually seen spinning like that as it hurtles through some sort of dimensional vortex.

The Sneakster

When you get to see the interior plans of a proper police box, it was very unlikely that public would have normally entered, or crims locked in. Only one door opens, and in the non-opening door is the panel for public access to the phone. Stretched across that side of the police box is a work desk. It was basically meant to be a corner-stop police station, but as radios took over the need for a dedicated police/phone box disappeared.

Whilst there is no Galafreyan record of a Tardis materializing as a Port-a-loo, people in the trade are known to refer to the Port-a-loo as a Turdis.

[Lulu Belle]

Whilst there is no Galafreyan record of a Tardis materializing as a Port-a-loo, people in the trade are known to refer to the Port-a-loo as a Turdis.

:laugh:

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Another thing I thought of...I think that one being can run many bodies...

I remember Ron talking about that in the PDC lectures, but it did not seem that one would be necessarily conscious of it.

[Voltaire's Child]

Jennifer,

Maybe CofS members shoulda got you a card with a dead rotting whale depicted in it instead.

Seriously, I know what you mean by the theety weety-ness, but there's more than one side to that particular issue.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

hmm....isn't that an interesting question...


So the moral of the story is that these identies, bodies, mest universe things really carry baggage and a being can get stuck with it even when they were sure they wouldn't.

Or so it seems to me.

Ehhhh...what do I know.:confused2: :blush: :melodramatic: [snipped]

I can personally confirm that.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

The term "multi-versals" reminded me of an article I read earlier this year about Hyper-versals:

http://www.eyepod.org/AM-0-Index.html

[Winston Smith]

Reading the past several pages makes me think I still am in Scn. Do you guys have regrets about leaving? LRH jargon all over...please! I have done well,thank you very much, without this "think." I left in 1974. And I do not miss it!! I do miss old friends though, which is why I started looking here.

[Mystic]

Evidently among the Zulus to become a holy person one of the requirements is to find the bones of the body of your last incarnation. Not bad "proof" at all. Of course, "proof" is that which convinces a mind.

[Voltaire's Child]

Does a belief in reincarnation perpetuate its continuation?
To be reborn in the flesh over & over again.
I don't believe anyone has yet really proven having had a past identity except maybe in sessions of Scientology & other belief systems of a relative nature.This can be of the imagination
Nobody has reported back from heaven or hell either.
I sincerely believe I have recalled having been of other identities in the past but the substance of these no longer exist only being now of the imagination.
I don't see though the purpose of continuing on & on being reborn in the flesh. I can often enjoy the fleshy experiences but how the body can become sick,injured, disabled, old & die or struggle in the pits of society can be nasty.
Its really only a meat product of unique design but continues staying a bad habit requiring always to survive.
LRH seemed excited about how he believed he discovered life must survive.
So what. Forced to survive no wonder teenagers can rebel as I did careworn about always repeating usually the same old shit.

If one could not reincarnate, then belief in reincarnation could not perpetuate reincarnation.

[michaelangelo]

Does a belief in reincarnation perpetuate its continuation?
To be reborn in the flesh over & over again.
I don't believe anyone has yet really proven having had a past identity except maybe in sessions of Scientology & other belief systems of a relative nature.This can be of the imagination
Nobody has reported back from heaven or hell either.
I sincerely believe I have recalled having been of other identities in the past but the substance of these no longer exist only being now of the imagination.
I don't see though the purpose of continuing on & on being reborn in the flesh. I can often enjoy the fleshy experiences but how the body can become sick,injured, disabled, old & die or struggle in the pits of society can be nasty.
Its really only a meat product of unique design but continues staying a bad habit requiring always to survive.
LRH seemed excited about how he believed he discovered life must survive.
So what. Forced to survive no wonder teenagers can rebel as I did careworn about always repeating usually the same old shit.

I beleive that we were not meant to keep reincarnating but to evolve and move on.