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wizardofoz
9th November 2010, 10:50 AM
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Gordon Ramsay's Details
Status: Married
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: Glasgow
Body type: 1cm
Religion: Scientologist
Zodiac Sign: Scorpio
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Children: Proud parent
Education: High school
Income: $250,000 and Higher


Article in Sunday Telegraph UK

Once the darling of the public, Gordon Ramsay, the world's most famous cook, has spread himself too thinly for his own good, reports William Langley.

In the space of a few months, Gordon Ramsay has been accused of losing his touch in the kitchen, having no friends, blowing his money on failed vanity projects, and - as light frosting on the sinking Gordo gateau - shaping up to become "the leading cause of death in the restaurant industry".

This last one followed the suicide of a former contestant on the American version of Ramsay's hit TV show, Kitchen Nightmares. Amid suggestions that the host was riding his cast of aspiring souffle-whippers too hard, the dead man's hometown newspaper complained that Joe Cerniglia, 39, was "at least the second" participant to have killed himself after appearing on the programme, evoking images of failed chefs shuffling en masse towards cliff faces and gun lockers.

It's undoubtedly true - as Ramsay's people claimed - that more pertinent factors were involved in Joe's unhappy end. But it's also true that no one has ever accused Delia Smith of driving her studio guests to their deaths. "The Yanks are wimps," scoffed Ramsay when he first arrived Stateside, and the words won't go away.

Yet Gordon's not really a monster: he's just created one. And recently, it has started to devour him. Last week - a routinely bad one in the current scheme of things - saw the collapse of Ramsay's long-standing business partnership with his father-in-law, Chris Hutcheson, followed by the news that the Royal Bank of Scotland had established a legal claim on the chef's house in south-west London as security for a £10.6 million ($17 million) overdraft it had advanced him.

Outraged by the discovery that he had been sacked, Hutcheson, 62, who was widely regarded as the financial brains behind the chef's business empire, retaliated with a don't-spare-the-chillies interview in which he claimed Ramsay had been "perverted" by success, money and celebrity.

"Gordon doesn't make friends, doesn't keep friends," he said. "He brings in the LA lot, the Beckhams of this world, but they aren't real friends. I was his great mate and saved him from so many holes it's untrue. Do I know everything? No, but I know where Gordon's bodies are buried. Take me up on the moors, and I could show you where."

That a man who talks like this should then go on to describe Ramsay as "a very strange character" hints at the degree of unreality surrounding the whole operation. The art of celebrity cheffing, as practised by the likes of Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson, has become a cherished part of popular culture, bringing both entertainment and enlightenment to a nation once marooned in culinary mediocrity.

The genre might have stayed that way, but Ramsay, with his maniacal energy, high-concept skills and nose for an angle, took it to a new level - inventing, in the process, the art of celebrity effing.

His current problems are widely perceived to arise from a kind of imperial over-reach, driven by a fatal blend of megalomania and naivety. Yet there was nothing radical about Ramsay and Hutcheson's idea of exporting the Ramsay brand around the world.

Hollywood super-chef Wolfgang Puck pioneered the technique in the 80s, and Alain Ducasse, the multi-Michelin-starred French maestro, has perfected it, with acclaimed operations on three continents.

The difference is that these men had more time to consider what they were doing. In the long history of a notoriously hard-working profession, it is hard to believe that anyone has ever worked harder than Ramsay.

From him have poured new restaurants, gastropubs, books, TV and magazine series. He built a parallel career in the US, staged arena gigs in the manner of a rock star, and took himself off on world tours. Until people began to ask: who's doing the cooking?

The Ramsay phenomenon has been built on four central components: his standing as a chef; his relationship with Hutcheson, the father of his wife, Tana; the marketing of the Ramsay name around the world; and his ability to confect a watchable TV hybrid of cookery and entertainment. The split with Hutcheson - preceded by allegations that Ramsay has been cheating on Tana - may be the easiest problem to fix.

Ramsay's a mogul in his own right now, and can doubtless find someone else to run his business. Despite some well-publicised backfires, the core operations of Gordon Ramsay Holdings appear to be healthy; in the 11 months to August, it posted a profit of £4.2 million.

The big worry for GRH is its star asset's diminished reputation as the man you most want cooking your dinner. This year, for the first time in a decade, no Ramsay restaurant made it into the influential Harden list of the 10 best places to eat in London. However, two of Gordon's operations - Royal Hospital Road and Claridges - did make the "most disappointing" list.

"What's notable now," says the guide's co-founder, Peter Harden, "is the silence even from Gordon Ramsay's supporters. There is a very clear trend that people are just not that interested any more, which, for him, is the worst result of all."

It isn't impossible that Ramsay will bounce back. His graft and ambition spring from a difficult childhood, as the son of a hard-drinking Scottish PE instructor who wanted him to play for Glasgow Rangers. Ramsay gave it a decent shot, but, when injury wrecked his prospects, he went to catering college with his father's bitter words - "Cooking's for poofs" - ringing in his ears. Later, he landed a lowly job at Harvey's, Marco Pierre White's landmark restaurant; by the age of 26 he had his own place, Aubergine, which won two Michelin stars within three years.

As last week's events echoed around foodieland, Ramsay took himself off to California with Tana. Not that any respite will last for long. Waiting for Ramsay back in London is a new controversy over a £250,000 wine cellar he is reportedly digging beneath his house. A sign of good cheer? Or another hole for him to fall into?


- The Sunday Telegraph, London

wizardofoz
9th November 2010, 11:10 AM
In an excoriating interview, Gordon Ramsay’s father-in-law reveals how:
Ramsay’s lawyers barred him from entering his own office
His daughter Tana won’t speak to him any more
Ramsay spent the day of his sacking buying a £200,000 Ferrari
Even for a man as volatile as Gordon Ramsay, it was a spectacular falling out.
Twelve days ago, to the astonishment of everyone, it was announced that the celebrity chef and his chief executive, Chris Hutcheson, had parted company, thereby ending one of the strongest, most notorious, partnerships in the industry.
'I saw Tana the day before my sacking. We sat down and I said "What the f*** is going on? There is a conspiracy I can feel it,' says Gordon Ramsay's father-in-law Chris Hutcheson
Hutcheson was not just Ramsay’s initial backer and business mentor, he was his father-in-law and the abrupt severing of ties plunged the family into the type of blood feud that may never be resolved.
With trademark bullishness, Ramsay hired minders to prevent his CEO from entering the Westminster headquarters of Gordon Ramsay Holdings. Then rumours began to circulate as to the reason behind the split – loans from the business to Mr Hutcheson totalling nearly £1.5 million.
Throughout, Mr Hutcheson has kept his counsel. But now, in an excoriating attack, he has spoken to The Mail on Sunday about his son-in-law. He says that contrary to the anodyne press release which told of his departure, he did not leave but was sacked in a ‘public hanging’.

Mr Hutcheson reveals how Ramsay did not have the courage to break the news himself but instead delivered the bombshell via his solicitor. On the day of the sacking, the chef was busy buying a new £200,000 Ferrari.
Mr Hutcheson, 62, does not know why Ramsay turned on him but he has not spoken to him or his daughter, Tana.
However, he believes his son-in-law has become ‘a monster,’ warped by the world of celebrity and all its trappings.
He also claims Ramsay, 43, is a svengali-like figure who has poisoned Tana against him. Now he worries they might never speak again.

Mr Hutcheson robustly denies any financial impropriety, admitting to using a company credit card and taking out loans but insisting everything was paid back.

And he claims that without his guidance, Ramsay will lose the international restaurant empire they worked so hard to create.
Before the break up: Gordon and his father-in-law were best of friends until just 12 days ago when the chef sacked him
Clearly hurt, but also fired by a sense of injustice and anger, Mr Hutcheson says: ‘This whole falling out is crazy. I was sacked and I don’t understand it.
‘I feel like I have been vaporised by Gordon and the only question I have is why? Why have you done this to me? We could have sat down and had an amicable divorce and worked things out if we were to part company. But he didn’t do that.

‘The reason behind all of this is Gordon, and not me, as far as I’m concerned. Gordon drops everyone in his life at some stage. You could do a list.

‘If you do a list of those from the early days, the chefs, Marcus Wareing, Jason Atherton – there are so many people, big people in his life, who he’d just say to me, “Chris, just get rid of them.”
‘I don’t know why he is like this. He has only got one friend and that was me. Now he has locked me out of the business and sacked me and tried to make me the scapegoat, the bad guy.’

Recalling the day, Saturday October 16, that he was so abruptly dismissed, Mr Hutcheson says: ‘I went down that night to pick some stuff up.

‘The offices should have been empty but there was a blaze of lights. Through the glass doors I could see people I didn’t know, so I rang the police. They went to
the door with me and there was Larry Nathan, a senior partner of Mischon De Reya, who are Gordon’s lawyers.
'It is a hugely awkward situation with my daughter married to him,' says Chris who allegedly guided his daughter's decision to stay with the marriage after Gordon was accused of cheating on Tana

‘He said, “Have you received our letter?” I didn’t know what he was talking about, then he said, “Here’s a copy.” ‘Gordon wasn’t there. I knew not to call him and he knew not to be around when there is a public hanging. I did enough of them to know this. I did all his public hangings as his CEO, and maybe what goes around comes around.
‘Gordon had flown in to the UK that morning. But when it came to sacking me he was a million miles away.

‘He spent that day buying the latest Ferrari – his sixth one. He went and picked the car up and spent the day driving round London – knowing full well he was sacking his partner in the evening.

‘Tana, my own daughter, knew all this was going to happen. She went off to Los Angeles on the Saturday to be out of the way.

‘I have had no contact with either of them since.’

Although his dismissal came as a shock, looking back now, Mr Hutcheson admits he suspected something was seriously afoot.
He says: ‘Little things got dropped, people got clumsy. Eight weeks ago Gordon’s mother told a member of staff at home, “Gordon is going to get Chris out of the company.”

‘The day before it happened Gordon’s PA said to someone, “Don’t worry about it, everything is changing next week”. I spotted a couple of his conspirators and one of them couldn’t even look me in the eye.
‘And I heard that a member of staff at his house had said, “I’m really frightened because Gordon is going to f*** Chris over.”’
To make matters worse, both families had been intending to spend a week at Mr Hutcheson’s chateau in France.

He says: ‘I saw Tana the day before my sacking. We sat down and I said, “Tana, what the f*** is going on? There is a conspiracy, I can feel it. Like walls are closing in. Why are you going to LA instead of coming to France with the family?”

‘She hadn’t even told her mother. It was half term and she was supposed to come to France with the kids but had pulled out at the last minute.

‘She said, “Daddy, I don’t know. Gordon doesn’t tell me everything.”
I said: “I think he tells you a lot more than you are letting on, darling. I need to know what is happening because the company has to continue to exist.” ’

It’s all a far cry from the days when Ramsay described himself and his father-in-law as ‘alike as two wings on a plane’.

Their partnership began in 1998 when they set up Gordon Ramsay Holdings, two years after Ramsay and Tana married.

Over the next 12 years they built an impressive empire, with restaurants in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Australia and the US.

With success came tremendous riches including an apartment in Mount Street, Mayfair, for Mr Hutcheson and his wife Greta and a sprawling family home in
Battersea, South-West London, for Ramsay and Tana.

The two business partners spoke dozens of times a day; they played squash and ran marathons but, above all, they protected each other.

Even when Ramsay was accused of cheating on Tana, 37, with a long- term mistress, Sarah Symonds, he could count on his father-in-law’s support. In fact, it was Hutcheson who allegedly guided his daughter’s decision to stay with the marriage.

The couple have four children, Megan, 12, twins Jack and Holly, 10, and eight-year-old Tilly.

He says: ‘This marriage of Gordon and Tana was a marriage of three. We were a package. It was my job to protect that brand.
‘Gordon is a very strange character. I have dealt with his breakdowns for a number of years. He has had a number of them. I have had him sat in front of me bursting into tears.

#It is like a tsunami when he gets going... He is schizophrenic...sometimes he is calm and sometimes he is absolutely manic,' says Chris
‘Gordon doesn’t make friends, doesn’t keep friends. He brings in the LA lot, the Beckhams of this world, but they aren’t real friends. I was his great mate who saved him from so many holes it is untrue.
‘Do I know everything? No. But I do know where Gordon’s bodies are buried. Take me up on the Moors and I could show you where – but it doesn’t mean it is what I would do.

‘Gordon is like Pinocchio. He is a very attractive puppet, and kids love him. He is painted nice colours, has a big nose which is funny, and is full of charisma.

‘After a while, though, Pinocchio decides that he is what the show is all about. He doesn’t need a puppet master so he cuts the strings and he falls down in a heap. That is what it is all about’

Mr Hutcheson and Ramsay share an equally fiery temperament, making an already difficult situation turn relations between the two families increasingly bitter.

For Tana, the situation must be nigh on impossible. Mr Hutcheson says: ‘It is a hugely awkward situation with my daughter married to him. How would it feel for any man to lose a daughter? And that is what has happened. Tana doesn’t speak to Greta. She hasn’t replied to any calls, texts or emails from my wife. There is a huge fallout from this.
‘It was only two months ago Tana came to see me and said, “Dad, what are we going to do with Gordon? I need to have my Gordon back, he has become a monster.”

‘She was saying that his behaviour had become completely unacceptable. This is his wife talking. She said she couldn’t control him.
‘My biggest wish now is to have my daughter back. If I was to say anything to Gordon now it would be, “Let my daughter go. Let her come back to us.”
‘She has got lovely kids and when she is with the family she is a totally different Tana to the Tana she is with Gordon.

Tana doesn't speak to her mother, Greta or Chris. She hasn't replied to any calls, texts or emails from her mother
‘If we were all together and he would come in, she would immediately change and become very abrupt and brittle. He has a control over her. It is like a svengali.

‘It is like a tsunami when he gets going. I have seen people swayed by him. People in kitchens just back down when he gets in a rage.

‘He is schizophrenic sometimes but I don’t know what makes him like that.

‘I remember asking him if he was on drugs but he denied it. His moods swings are huge. Sometimes he is calm and others he is absolutely manic. This is what Tana was talking about. I don’t know what happens behind closed doors but she was very unhappy.

‘He has this ability, like he did with the Sarah Symonds story, to convince people. He just keeps on until you back down. He bashes away, saying, “I didn’t do it. I didn’t do it.” When Gordon is in a corner he can bluster his way out of anything. It is quite impressive really. He is a Teflon, absolute bloody Teflon.”
‘I don’t know if Tana believes these lies [about me]. I think she knows I am an honest person, she has known her dad a long time but she is stuck in the middle.’

Newspaper reports have accused Mr Hutcheson of taking £1.5 million in loans from the company. While perfectly legal, the money was allegedly paid to him at a time when it was struggling financially.
Eighteen months ago the empire was on the brink of collapse. After going into partnership with the investment firm Blackstone, Gordon Ramsay Holdings (GRH) over-expanded, and was left struggling to pay back a £10 million loan from the Royal Bank of Scotland and a tax bill of £7.2 million.
Auditors at KPMG proposed bankruptcy. Hutcheson and Ramsay restructured the debts, becoming consultants rather than owners in their overseas restaurants.

Mr Hutcheson, who previously ran a printing company, says: ‘We did overstretch ourselves. Gordon loves the thought of opening restaurants and to be honest so did I. We did it together.
‘Gordon was always of the opinion that he made me in life, but I was a wealthy guy before I met him. I put £1 million into the first business. I was doing well before Gordon came anywhere near the Hutcheson scene.
Chris believes his son-in-law has become warped by the world of celebrity and all its trappings
‘We had done some wonderful deals with Blackstone Private Equity in the UK – Claridge’s, The Connaught, The Berkeley and The Savoy. They were great cash cows for us. So when they said come and open with us in New York, LA and Versailles then too bloody right we did. But they were complete uncontrolled nightmares.
‘And when it went wrong it became my job to get them right. That’s what I spent all my time doing and I think I did a very good job.

‘The bank found our borrowings were not covered by collateral
and they bought KPMG in. At that time we owed the bank £10 million. We were £7.5 million in arrears to HM Revenue & Customs, we owed a lot to suppliers and we still had huge liabilities with these non-UK operations.
‘In New York we put in something like $5 million into buildings, the kitchens and getting it ready. Blackstone promised they would try to look after the unions for us but the unions completely f***** us over.
‘In Versailles it was identical. Virtually 90 per cent of our turnover was wages because of the French system and how it works. We were in an impossible situation.

‘KPMG isolated these situations quite quickly. The bank said, quite simply, bring in external funds to pay off HMRC, get rid of your hammering of cash to non UK operations and come to arrangements with your creditors.

‘I did all these things. On Boxing Day 2008 I went to see Blackstone and within two weeks we had renegotiated all the deals so we were off the hook.’

‘I did all Gordon’s book deals, which made a couple of million pounds a year, big money TV, endorsement, motivational speaking. He would get £50,000 for a one-hour speech.
‘He got 85 per cent and I got 15 per cent. He was the name, the talent, and I provided the stability.

‘When I received my dismissal letter, it cited 10 reasons which were, to say the least tenuous. It said I had signed insurance proposal forms inaccurately and misrepresented situations; that I had failed to send out sales invoices – like I’d be doing that – and misused company credit cards and the directors’ loan account.
‘I have no idea where this figure of a missing £1.5 million from the company has come from. The first time I heard it mentioned was when I saw it in the papers.
‘I have taken money out of the company, just as Gordon would do, in the normal course of events, and it was registered immediately in the directors’ loan account.
‘I haven’t used it unethically, without anyone knowing, without accountants knowing or Gordon knowing.
‘I have an RBS credit card for the company which I never use and I have my own Coutts card. I lost my personal credit card for a week and went to the compliance director, Trevor James, and told him the situation, that I would be using my company credit card until I got my own one back.
‘The situation was explained and I said whatever comes out of my credit card, which wasn’t very much, put through my directors’ loan account. It was a very straightforward, isolated, incident.
‘There was certainly no question of me stealing money. Every penny in that company, coming in or going out, is recorded for all to see.’
Mr Hutcheson has now started legal proceedings against GRH for wrongful dismissal. Meanwhile Ramsay has set his sights on America.
Mr Hutcheson says: ‘He sees it as his new frontier. My daughter sees the celebrity status she has enjoyed with Gordon, that protects her from the banalities of life. She wants to go out to America with him.
‘Gordon has become warped by the celebrity lifestyle. The word ‘no’ doesn’t come across him often. He is used to private jets, big hotel suites. Gordon thinks this is normal.
‘But before he goes, he has some big problems. He still owes $2.5 million to the sales tax people, $1.5 million to vendors in New York.
‘All this is not known but it is still there. He just thinks it will all go away as it always does, because I was dealing with it.
‘We have a big operation in Melbourne, Australia. From the day we opened in April, Gordon never asked once how it was going. A $20 million operation. He would ring the chef up but he had no interest in the business whatsoever. ‘Now there is no CEO, no management. I found him a new bank, new possible investors. We were making good money.
‘We just needed to tidy up. I said to Gordon, give me three years from now and this will be an incredible, saleable company.
‘I would put a value on the business as a whole of £50 million with only £4.25 million in debts. The company is in great health but it won’t be like that for long. It just won’t work. It has been thrown away.’
Whatever the outcome for GRH, one thing is certain – Mr Hutcheson will no longer be a part of it. He says: ‘My next step is to sort out the legals. And find a job.
‘Gordon hasn’t made it clear why he has done this. What happened, happened because of the mind of an egotist.
‘There will be no rehabilitation of the business for me. I had great fun when we started, we were conquering the world the two of us, but all that changed. Now I just want my daughter back.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1325222/Gordon-Ramsays-father-law-Chris-Hutcheson-He-1-friend-Ive-vaporised.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz14mKSAjBJ

SchwimmelPuckel
9th November 2010, 11:49 AM
Hah! - Totally incredible! - I never knew that Gordon Ramsay was a scientologist.. I've watched some of his 'Kitchen Nightmare' shows, and I was thinking: 'That asshole act like a fuckin' Sea Org idiot on a mission!'

And I just did a search.. Looks like Gordon's 'victims' in his show are committing suicide!

:ohmy:

AnonyMary
9th November 2010, 04:07 PM
Hah! - Totally incredible! - I never knew that Gordon Ramsay was a scientologist.. I've watched some of his 'Kitchen Nightmare' shows, and I was thinking: 'That asshole act like a fuckin' Sea Org idiot on a mission!'

And I just did a search.. Looks like Gordon's 'victims' in his show are committing suicide!

:ohmy:

It appears he is a scientologist (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=17259,23756,24692,24878,24879,26637,27400,2 7404,27510,52782&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Gordon+Ramsay+scientologist&cp=14&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=Gordon+Ramsay+scientologist&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=180c07a4ca199aa8). Figures.

I hope Hutchenson sues him and his wide. He's already got the SP brand. Go for the scn juggular

Ogsonofgroo
9th November 2010, 05:50 PM
Hah! - Totally incredible! - I never knew that Gordon Ramsay was a scientologist.. I've watched some of his 'Kitchen Nightmare' shows, and I was thinking: 'That asshole act like a fuckin' Sea Org idiot on a mission!'

And I just did a search.. Looks like Gordon's 'victims' in his show are committing suicide!

:ohmy:

Figures eh! Didn't know either but always found him an arrogant, irritating, twat.... it fits well I suppose :confused2:

AnonyMary
9th November 2010, 07:12 PM
snip

I wonder how many of those millions were cyphered off to the cult and it's front groups?

Wonder if Solicitors in the UK can sue for fraudulent transfers? lol

Hubbardianen
9th November 2010, 07:29 PM
I doubt he really is a scientologist. Found nothing on www.truthaboutscientology.com and not much more either except on his MySpace site. Could be a joke from him?

He could however be suitable as a successor to Miscavige... :noevil: ... or perhaps not.

Smilla
9th November 2010, 07:32 PM
He's a rude and arrogant bore.

FoTi
9th November 2010, 07:59 PM
How do you know Gordon Ramsey is a Scientologist?

FoTi
9th November 2010, 08:19 PM
Okay, I found it here in the box that says "Details".

Gordon Ramsay's Details
Status: Married
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: Glasgow
Body type: 0' 1"
Religion: Scientologist
Zodiac Sign: Scorpio
Smoke / Drink: No / Yes
Children: Proud parent
Education: High school
Income: $250,000 and Higher


Read more: http://www.myspace.com/gordonramsey#ixzz14ooKPmXx


http://www.myspace.com/gordonramsey

Axiom142
9th November 2010, 08:23 PM
Sounds like someone is doing a bit of leg pulling. I’ve never heard of Ramsay being a Scientologist and I can’t find any reference to that apart from the MySpace page which looks very fake to me.

Ramsay is a controversial figure and perhaps linking him to a despised ‘religion’ is someone’s way of having a go at him?

Axiom142

SchwimmelPuckel
9th November 2010, 08:28 PM
WUT!? - Leg pulling!? - Hot day'um.. Then that's why my left leg just got longer!

:D:duh::omg:

wizardofoz
9th November 2010, 08:28 PM
Only the Myspace page says so. I'll change the title of the thread

Panda Termint
9th November 2010, 08:28 PM
Yes, that's my take on it too. No way is Ramsay a scientologist (despite the fact that he bullies and curses like an SO Exec).

Axiom142
9th November 2010, 08:31 PM
Check the spelling of the webpage (http://www.myspace.com/gordonramsey) and compare it to the correct spelling of his name (Gordon Ramsay).

You’ve been had! :yes:

Axiom142

TG1
9th November 2010, 08:31 PM
What you guys say - he's pulling the unwashed masses' collective chain.

As the political candidates say, I've met Scientologists, and Gordon Ramsey is no Scientologist.

SchwimmelPuckel
9th November 2010, 08:31 PM
I'll still say he acts like a Sea Org idiot on a mission though! (in those TV shows anyway..)

:yes:

TG1
9th November 2010, 08:33 PM
Thank you, SchwimmelPuckel. I got that.

Ogsonofgroo
9th November 2010, 10:24 PM
WUT!? - Leg pulling!? - Hot day'um.. Then that's why my left leg just got longer!

:D:duh::omg:

MySpace~ The Kraft Dinner of Info Sites? :D

*phones shoe store for a lift in one shoe*

Mark A. Baker
9th November 2010, 11:26 PM
Yes, that's my take on it too. No way is Ramsay a scientologist (despite the fact that he bullies and curses like an SO Exec).

As do Ozzies & Yanks. :coolwink:

Here in the u.s. especially, there seems to be a strong interest in public displays of bully boy behavior. One obvious example: the faux network.

It's just unusual in him because he's a Brit. :whistling:


Mark A. Baker