25,000 Sea Org members out versus 5,000 in

[Jachs]

I just found a blog here > http://leavescientology.blogspot.com/

and the stats say 25,000 sea Org member have left compared to 5,000 still active.

I havent seen this statistic before, i did search for it in this forum but did not discover it anywhere.

Sea Org Member

We understand that you have been told that blowing is a high crime. We know,
because we've been through it ourselves. We know that your compatriots and
seniors look down on people who have left, and call them SPs.
We understand that even people who go
through the routing-out process are treated as if they are cowards,
and traitors to the cause. You're not.

You may find this statistic very interesting:
There are currently an estimated 5,000-7,000
people in the Sea Org. On the other hand, there
are around 25,000 EX Sea Org member.

Many current SO members don't realize that they have the right to simply walk out. Leaving the Sea Org is a scary thing to do. But the best way to do it is to simply blow. If you have friends and family who are non-Scientologists, call them. If you have parents who will come get you, call them.

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

7,000 seems pretty high, I bet it's about half of that

[Jachs]

7,000 seems pretty high, I bet it's about half of that

Could well be high the blog does say 5,000-7,000.

Does anyone know the latest numbers of Sea Org member in

US, Europe, Australia.

[Jachs]

Lawsuits filed by two former Sea Org members
« on: March 28, 2010, 09:40:20 AM »

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/ex-scientology-lawsuits-reveal-elite-sea-org-group/?test=latestnews

The church says its 5,000 so-called
Sea Organization members are religious
devotees

akin to monks

who are
exempt from wage requirements
overtime,decent food and decent treatment.

So five to one ratio



Five to one, baby, one in five.
No one here gets out here without a freeloader, now.
You get your beans and rice, baby, I'll get mine.
Gonna make it thru nightwatch, baby, if we try.

The old get older, and the young get stronger.
May take a week to blow, and it may take longer.
They got the golden rods, but we got the numbers.
Gonna win yeah, we're taking over .

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

If the cult is claiming 5,000 then it's even lower than 3,500. Being honest about a membership statistic such as that, goes against everything Scientology stands for.

[Jachs]

That is a good point.

be good if any recent members of

Europe,UK, US and Australia could give us accurate numbers.

http://riprenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/02-al-gore-protest-sign.jpg

[Jachs]

From this reality, actually real smiling, sort of Ron used to do

http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/sea_org.jpg

To this fakeness, and now live from the phoneygraph

http://img.youtube.com/vi/wfyV-sXj7wM/0.jpg

[Auditor's Toad]

Well, it don't matter where one stands, the numbers for the sea argh ain't looking good.

No wonder those uniforms are in surplus stores.

Would lrh be proud his legacy?

LOL !

[Mest Lover]

The tide is on the way out.

Fishing is best on an outgoing tide.

[Sindy]

Even if you took the low figure of 3,500 and multiplied that by $50.00/week, that's $175,000.00 per week just for pay and that does not include feeding and housing them, and other incidentals, etc.

That's a lot of money to come up with each week from failing orgs that are getting regged within an inch of their lives for donos.

[Jachs]

Well, it don't matter where one stands, the numbers for the sea argh ain't looking good.

No wonder those uniforms are in surplus stores.

Would lrh be proud his legacy?

LOL !

Proud of 3,500 Sea Org members living in fear and hardship under a COB the media propaganda King ,def not.

Propaganda is a form of communication that is
aimed at influencing the attitude of a community
toward some cause or position.

As opposed to impartially
providing factual information, propaganda,
in its most basic sense, presents information
primarily to influence an audience.

Propaganda often presents facts selectively

(thus possibly lying by omission)

to encourage a particular synthesis, or
uses loaded messages to produce an emotional
rather than rational response to the information
presented. The desired result is a change of the
attitude toward the subject in the target audience to
further a political agenda. Propaganda can be used as
a form of mind warfare.

Doesnt that sum up the State of The Church!

Its a PR world!! So its ok to LIE to your members, greatest good!

But "we all know" there are millions of members world wide right,
few members leave the Sea Org or CLV, they just go onto
bigger and better posts so fast you never get to say goodbye,
it only appears like they stepped into a vacuum.

Re: 1,000s Sea Org Jackets Purchased by Army Surplus Store

Anonymous said no rush, few have sold,but
the cast of Twilight are waiting for the latest vampire CLV uniforms:

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Supply Sergeant

503 N Victory Blvd., Burbank CA 91502
(323) 849-3744

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(323) 463-4730

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/1-000-sea-org-jackets-purchased-by-army-surplus-store.66819/

[Jachs]

Even if you took the low figure of 3,500 and multiplied that by $50.00/week, that's $175,000.00 per week just for pay and that does not include feeding and housing them, and other incidentals, etc.

That's a lot of money to come up with each week from failing orgs that are getting regged within an inch of their lives for donos.

That is alot of money when you add it up like that, but would $50 be an accurate average.

Beans and rice dont cost too much.

Maybe COBs Chef could make up some new recipes for Beans and Rice.
Cobs brilliant PR propoganda,
looks like beans and rice to me cook
no sir tonight.its haricots et de riz
(translated beans & Rice)

[Jachs]

Join us today, you land lubbers, and be prepared to serve over 9000 years on the scourge of the seven seas, the SS Longcat!


The Sea Arrrgh MOVIE____ http://web.archive.org/web/20080527194312/http://www.seaarrrgh.com/

[Freeminds]

Sea Org numbers also give the lie to overall Scientology membership figures.

If there are between five and seven thousand people in the Sea Org, out of twelve or fifteen million Scientologists... that's something like one Sea Ogre for every 2,250 rank-and-file Scientologists. (How many Scn publics do you remember? How many Sea Org? Wow. You must have been really important, if you knew so many Sea Ogres...)

If the membership numbers are true... why the constant "you should join Sea Org" pressure? If Scientology's paramilitary was a relatively small 'elite', they'd have no difficulty filling all the berthing slots they wanted.

It's just another Scientology lie. Anybody who is currently under pressure to sign up ought to be able to do the simple maths: why not ask go and one of the other thousands of members at all of the "booming orgs"? (This should also work with reges: if there's so many million of us, why is it that you need twenty grand from me?)

The claimed total Scn membership figure also works out at 2,000 rank-and-file Scientologists to every mission, org, 'group', base, bookshop, Narconon or other cult facility (7,000 are claimed to exist). Anybody still in: take a look around your country, and try to locate the place where all that booming, straight-up vertical growth is happening.

Instead, the orgs are deathly quiet, and the Sea Org are being used as a kind of strategic reserve, flung into the front line to plug the gaps that are appearing. Instead of doing Scientology, their loyalty and efforts are squandered. For example, making it appear that a Bookathon is well-staffed or that a promotional event is well-attended. They can't plug gaps all the time, but get bused in whenever somebody might be watching.

As Scientology continues to shrink, the Sea Org may well come to be an increasingly significant proportion of what remains. Not that the Sea Org is immune to attrition -- lots of Sea Ogres have blown -- but there will be the temptation to reinforce the SO (you might say, to dilute it with hastily chosen recruits) because a certain number are needed in Miscavige's little world, to maintain the illusion for as long as possible. They will continue to have their efforts frittered away on 'pretend' activities like bolstering apparent numbers at events. If D.M. and Co continue to believe their own hype, that will simply hasten the inevitable.

[Jachs]

Sea Org numbers also give the lie to overall Scientology membership figures.



Very good points, but how can you see that when your in.
It crosses your mind, the org is quiet,but scio is doing so well, havent seen such and such but "he must be away somewhere else", the reg really NEEDS me to do this etc.

Dont talk about it, individualism, its a mystery.

Pure propoganda from a very scared management who are constantly in emergency mode plugging holes to hide their lies, attacking mainly the ones who are telling the truth.
If "they" Cob and Co just told the truth, not PR plausible truths the protests would stop.All this energy wasted in effort to hide lies.
But that would mean, reducing prices, letting people just get on and practise what they want, admitting you havent been decent, you screwed people, wasted lives, fought guys who were doing the right thing.

Too simple for a Admiration Craver.

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Even if you took the low figure of 3,500 and multiplied that by $50.00/week, that's $175,000.00 per week just for pay and that does not include feeding and housing them, and other incidentals, etc.

That's a lot of money to come up with each week from failing orgs that are getting regged within an inch of their lives for donos.

That's not even including the overhead of housing, transport, food, one of the most inefficient forms of management on the planet, and the unsustainable overhead of these new empty Ideal Orgs and Miscavige's other follies such as the Super Powers Building and implosion is the only possible outcome.

[Sindy]

Sea Org numbers also give the lie to overall Scientology membership figures.

If there are between five and seven thousand people in the Sea Org, out of twelve or fifteen million Scientologists... that's something like one Sea Ogre for every 2,250 rank-and-file Scientologists. (How many Scn publics do you remember? How many Sea Org? Wow. You must have been really important, if you knew so many Sea Ogres...)

If the membership numbers are true... why the constant "you should join Sea Org" pressure? If Scientology's paramilitary was a relatively small 'elite', they'd have no difficulty filling all the berthing slots they wanted.

It's just another Scientology lie. Anybody who is currently under pressure to sign up ought to be able to do the simple maths: why not ask go and one of the other thousands of members at all of the "booming orgs"? (This should also work with reges: if there's so many million of us, why is it that you need twenty grand from me?)

The claimed total Scn membership figure also works out at 2,000 rank-and-file Scientologists to every mission, org, 'group', base, bookshop, Narconon or other cult facility (7,000 are claimed to exist). Anybody still in: take a look around your country, and try to locate the place where all that booming, straight-up vertical growth is happening.

Instead, the orgs are deathly quiet, and the Sea Org are being used as a kind of strategic reserve, flung into the front line to plug the gaps that are appearing. Instead of doing Scientology, their loyalty and efforts are squandered. For example, making it appear that a Bookathon is well-staffed or that a promotional event is well-attended. They can't plug gaps all the time, but get bused in whenever somebody might be watching.

As Scientology continues to shrink, the Sea Org may well come to be an increasingly significant proportion of what remains. Not that the Sea Org is immune to attrition -- lots of Sea Ogres have blown -- but there will be the temptation to reinforce the SO (you might say, to dilute it with hastily chosen recruits) because a certain number are needed in Miscavige's little world, to maintain the illusion for as long as possible. They will continue to have their efforts frittered away on 'pretend' activities like bolstering apparent numbers at events. If D.M. and Co continue to believe their own hype, that will simply hasten the inevitable.

:clap::clap::clap: Wow, yes. This is so well written. I agree 1000%

[Sindy]

Very good points, but how can you see that when your in.
It crosses your mind, the org is quiet,but scio is doing so well, havent seen such and such but "he must be away somewhere else", the reg really NEEDS me to do this etc.

Dont talk about it, individualism, its a mystery.

Pure propoganda from a very scared management who are constantly in emergency mode plugging holes to hide their lies, attacking mainly the ones who are telling the truth.
If "they" Cob and Co just told the truth, not PR plausible truths the protests would stop.All this energy wasted in effort to hide lies.
But that would mean, reducing prices, letting people just get on and practise what they want, admitting you havent been decent, you screwed people, wasted lives, fought guys who were doing the right thing.

Too simple for a Admiration Craver.

I left only a year ago. You can see and feel it from the inside, believe me. The people that are choosing to stay have lost their way.

I had someone say to me that he really appreciated my courage and that someone had to stand up to say "no" but that he was not so brave and besides, he had to finish his Basics. :duh:

It is obvious that the organization is imploding from the inside. The DSA of my org and I had a discussion about it before I made my intentions known.

Frankly, I am flabbergasted by the lack of courage and integrity of so many.

[Jachs]

I left only a year ago. You can see and feel it from the inside, believe me. The people that are choosing to stay have lost their way.

I had someone say to me that he really appreciated my courage and that someone had to stand up to say "no" but that he was not so brave and besides, he had to finish his Basics. :duh:

It is obvious that the organization is imploding from the inside. The DSA of my org and I had a discussion about it before I made my intentions known.

Frankly, I am flabbergasted by the lack of courage and integrity of so many.

Yeah , i recalling seeing a few guys i once knew who had become very steely eyed and vacant from being very friendly.

Its all approaching an event horizon.

Well done on holding your ground under pressure, i know thats not easy.

Heres one for the betrayed in the name of help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwqfZhyDgJo

[Jachs]

Looking at Australia there is no way that there would be

1000 Sea Org member

id say closer to 200 Sea org Members


Thats not including Garrison missions for Sea Org members

[Jachs]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9641697/Welcome-to-the-Sea-Org-Training-Manual

a blast from the past.1990 for anyone interested.

Cobs why RTC makes the Sea org unsuccessful


WELCOME TO THE SEA ORG TAPES
Tape Transcript: 6910C15 - "The Quality of the Sea Org and What Is a Seaman"
Tape Transcript: 6910C16 - "Welcome to the Sea Org"
Tape Transcript: 6910C17 - "Why the Sea Org is Successful"
Tape Transcript: 6910C20 - "Third Dynamic Activity and Making Things disappear"
Tape Transcript: 6910C21 - "It's a PRO World"

[Jachs]

The whole fear of finding out the truth

Total reversal "Grade zero ability to communicate to anyone about anything"...

A society(a group) gets headed in the direction of avoidance, of fear, and so becomes controllable.
It is an overt mechanism on the part of anyone seeking to control a society(group), to cut the communication of that (group)society.
The way to guarantee a slave society would be to teach safety across the boards. They would be afraid to go into communication with.

Cut communication in The Church of $....Dont talk about your case, dont communicate with "SPs" with trutheta, dont look on the internet just to "be safe",
dont talk to anon, run quickly Int Staff there is someone at the fence..Disconnect or Ethics
Apply venetian blind tech Org staff, shut down esmb, discredit any freedom of speech.Burn ye witches.

When you can keep somebody from going into communication with something, you can make him the victim of whatever that thing is.

They will pick it out as an enemy and it can then victimize them. "Avoid communication with" equals fear.

This applies to you Office of Special Affairs
Define the word avoid as "become the victim of." (1954, Exteriorization, Lecture: 5406C28, 7ACC-5A)

avoid "entheta
i.e avoid The Truth which is bad news/business to avoid at any cost for the unmasterful self appointed mis-director of Cof$


0

[Jachs]

This is Scientology :The Science of fixing the world by degradation.
on Sea org Member numbers dwindling.

osa int staff (1994 130) (2008 22)


from OSA OSA in box http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=142813#post142813.

Well, Gloria Idda has had very little problems with Int Base staff
accessing anti-Scn sites, but you guessed it, a whole different story
with the porn sites. This is huge problem at the Int base. Partially
becuase you have so many differerent nationalties of people at the Int
Base, most of them just search for porn in their own langauge and of
course the filter is not program for the 52 languages they cater to.

CO GOLD (Lisa Shroer)-(Lisa-ANZO Elaine Allens Daughter ) reads out people's sec
check KR's at Gold's musters and only reads the sex activities and stays
away from pretty much anything else. So here you have 200 people lined
up for a half an hour hearing about all the juicy sex and masturbation.

Also See the thread MASTURBATION IN SCIENTOLOGY (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11643&highlight=masturbation)-Nothing to be ashamed of with over 40,000 views


.

[paradox]

If the cult is claiming 5,000 then it's even lower than 3,500. Being honest about a membership statistic such as that, goes against everything Scientology stands for.

No kidding. Just ran across this yesterday and snipped the relevant portion. According to the 2008 article it was taken from, this originally from an unpublished 2002 article.




"Scientology often claims to have six million members worldwide, a number derided by critics, who put the membership much lower, usually less than 100,000. In a videotaped deposition, Scientology president Heber Jentszch admitted several years ago that the six million number does not represent current membership but the total amount of people who have ever, since the founding in 1954, taken even a single Scientology course."

Village Voice article, "Scientology's Crushing Defeat" June 24, 2008, Tony Ortega
From a previously unpublished 2002 article for New Times LA

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-06-24/news/Scientologys-Crushing-Defeat/full

[smartone]

I noticed Saint Hill was very quiet a few years ago. Only a few pcs in the NOTS lounge and only two people on OT3. Just a handful of students in the Academy. This was summertime when Saint Hill used to be buzzing with Europeans.

Also, surely when people go to the events they must ask themselves where is Guillaume Leservre, and the other two execs (their names escape me at the mo) who usually gave speeches at the events about their area of activity.

I noticed their absence from events several years ago and thought it strange that only DM was speaking. One of the absent execs was a tall good looking guy who was Snr C/S Int and the other absent exec was a slim, bald, goofy looking guy.

The last time I saw them was several years ago at Celebrity Centre Int's Gala Ball. :unsure:

[Wisened One]

This is Scientology :The Science of fixing the world with broken untrained tools.

on Sea org Member numbers dwindling.

osa int staff (1994 130) (2008 22)


from OSA OSA in box http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=142813#post142813.

Well, Gloria Idda has had very little problems with Int Base staff
accessing anti-Scn sites, but you guessed it, a whole different story
with the porn sites. This is huge problem at the Int base. Partially
becuase you have so many differerent nationalties of people at the Int
Base, most of them just search for porn in their own langauge and of
course the filter is not program for the 52 languages they cater to.

CO GOLD (Lisa Shroer) reads out people's sec
check KR's at Gold's musters and only reads the sex activities and stays
away from pretty much anything else. So here you have 200 people lined
up for a half an hour hearing about all the juicy sex and masturbation.

:wow: That has GOT to be one of THE most humiliating things, EVER, to endure! :omg: :no::angry:

[The Great Zorg]

If the cult is claiming 5,000 then it's even lower than 3,500. Being honest about a membership statistic such as that, goes against everything Scientology stands for.

Here here! Well said! :yes: :thumbsup:


EVERYTHING IN SCIENTOLOGY, TO SOME DEGREE OR ANOTHER, IS A LIE.
THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS.

[Jachs]

Also, surely when people go to the events they must ask themselves where is Guillaume Leservre, and the other two execs (their names escape me at the mo) who usually gave speeches at the events about their area of activity.

I noticed their absence from events several years ago and thought it strange that only DM was speaking. One of the absent execs was a tall good looking guy who was Snr C/S Int and the other absent exec was a slim, bald, goofy looking guy.

The last time I saw them was several years ago at Celebrity Centre Int's Gala Ball. :unsure:


A VERY OLD PHOTO.

http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/images/7/71/TopOfScientology1990.jpg


From left to right:

1* Kurt Weiland (Commanding Officer OSA Int.),
2* Mike Rinder (LRH Personal PR Officer Int.),
3* Janet Light (Director of IAS Administrations),
4* Marc Yager (Inspector General for Admin RTC),
* empty
5* David Miscavige (Chairman of the Board RTC),
* empty
6* Norman Starkey (Trustee of LRH's estate RTC),
7* Ray Mithoff (Inspector General for Tech RTC),
8* Mark Rathbun (Inspector General for Ethics RTC),
9* Guillaume Lesevre (Executive Director Int.)

10* Ronnie Miscavige (Marketing Executive Int.).

ED Int ( not COB RTC) is the senior management executive and convening authority for worldwide CofS matters

the ED Int postition has every right to issue the complete unconditional,
no holds barred, international amnesty, which for one would immediately eliminate the
disconnection blackmail horror that Scientology still perpetrates.
ED Int could get his Int Execs to offer the policy solutions to the major problems.
(Pricing;eliminate OSA;just go on down the list of ALL of the major criticisms
of official Scientology and face and HANDLE each major criticism)

What Did LRH Intend For The Governance Of Scientology Organizations?
http://www.savescientology.com/lrhintent.html

Is the SNR C/S your thinking of Ray Mithoff ? In the Hole?
The other guy Marc Yager the Statistic King. RPF?

Only No.5 is alive

[Mest Lover]

A VERY OLD PHOTO.

http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/images/7/71/TopOfScientology1990.jpg


From left to right:

1* Kurt Weiland (Commanding Officer OSA Int.),
2* Mike Rinder (LRH Personal PR Officer Int.),
3* Janet Light (Director of IAS Administrations),
4* Marc Yager (Inspector General for Admin RTC),
* empty
5* David Miscavige (Chairman of the Board RTC),
* empty
6* Norman Starkey (Trustee of LRH's estate RTC),
7* Ray Mithoff (Inspector General for Tech RTC),
8* Mark Rathbun (Inspector General for Ethics RTC),
9* Guillaume Lesevre (Executive Director Int.) and
10* Ronnie Miscavige (Marketing Executive Int.).

Is the SNR C/S your thinking of Ray Mithoff ? In the Hole?
The other guy Marc Yager the Statistic King. RPF?

Only No.5 is alive


dwarf megalomaniacs need their elbow room or perhaps the empty seats were for LRH and Xenu?

[Jachs]

:wow: That has GOT to be one of THE most humiliating things, EVER, to endure! :omg: :no::angry:

Yes , the Quote,
the worst overt act is making others wrong for their overt acts, certaintly comes to mind.

Also if you had the hots for other staff , thats a real nice dose of restimulation
to keep the sex fest going.

[Jachs]

No kidding. Just ran across this yesterday and snipped the relevant portion. According to the 2008 article it was taken from, this originally from an unpublished 2002 article."Scientology often claims to have six million members worldwide, a number derided by critics, who put the membership much lower, usually less than 100,000. In a videotaped deposition, Scientology president Heber Jentszch admitted several years ago that the six million number does not represent current membership but the total amount of people who have ever, since the founding in 1954, taken even a single Scientology course."

sorry heber you will get another kick in the bollocks for that.

There is only about 40,000 active scios world wide, probably much less now.

[Jachs]

from kookaburra http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=538525&postcount=1

From the cult test.what an activity in the name of spirituality.

Make wrong.-the worst crime is to make someone wrong for an "overt"

But Policy dictates that is exactly what happens to the EXTREME, turned backs, shame guilt and fear.
after you have reached to help, even devoted your all for a long time, you are "Nothing"

which is a trait of a "SP" according to LRH .
Making nothing of someone or making someone wrong for either choosing
to leave or making a mistake.. This emotionally crippling policy must cease.
It violates human rights and decency.how about fair play than fair game.

A corollary to the "No Exit" rule is the demonization of those who leave:

* They are evil, weak, and selfish.
* They are stupid and foolish.
* They are wandering in darkness, unable to see.
* They are traitors, quitters, turn-coats, disloyal, deserters.
* They have sold out.
* They are Enemies of the Cross.
* They have chosen Evil over Goodness.
* They are losers, trying to throw stones at winners.
* They didn't chant enough, or they didn't meditate enough, or they didn't do enough yoga.
* They weren't really trying.
* They didn't follow the procedures correctly.
* They were unable to resist the temptation to sin.
* They hid their problems, and didn't reveal them to the group.
* They couldn't overcome their cravings for sex, alcohol, or drugs.
* They couldn't give up their attachments to money and possessions.
* They couldn't be honest.
* They were always stupid, real losers.
* They never could get it right.
* They are the spawn of Spatan.
* They were always trying to destroy our movement.
* They were never a part of us to begin with.
* We are much better off without their bad influences.


this is a guilt trip of HUGE proportions. since 1968 LRH became quite angry and sometimes very brutal. Not serene.


.

[secretiveoldfag]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9641697/Welcome-to-the-Sea-Org-Training-Manual

a blast from the past.1990 for anyone interested.

Cobs why RTC makes the Sea org unsuccessful


WELCOME TO THE SEA ORG TAPES
Tape Transcript: 6910C15 - "The Quality of the Sea Org and What Is a Seaman"
Tape Transcript: 6910C16 - "Welcome to the Sea Org"
Tape Transcript: 6910C17 - "Why the Sea Org is Successful"
Tape Transcript: 6910C20 - "Third Dynamic Activity and Making Things disappear"
Tape Transcript: 6910C21 - "It's a PRO World"

The End has surely arrived when we are playing their propaganda tapes back to them as a joke.

[Auditor's Toad]

The membership numbers are a lie.
The number in the sea argh is a lie.
The number of churches is a lie.

I've hear it said they count their mail list as members. I can believe that. Still get 30 to 50 pieces of everything they mail out from damn near every org on the planet.

If the 2 of us count for 60 to 100 members in their count then I can see where they get "millions of members".

They are apparently completely incapable of removing multiple variations of obviously the same name.

Couple that with selling their mailing lists to other orgs and it adds up to the big numbers.

Now, factor in the current fad of secret declares and expulsions and therefore not removing the mass exodus of people from the mailing or call in lists.

But every piece of mail with a first class postage paid ebvelope included I do send back. And yes I make it as thick and heavy as I can.

Some weeks I only send a hundred or so envelopes to 'em. Won't break 'em. Won't get all I spent back but I keep my exchange in : they mail to me and I mail to them. Oh please tell me I am doing the ethical thing and didn't Ron say if you communication long enough you will get a response ( or something like that ) anyway, I'm making 'em right-. They like that don't they? LOL !

[Auditor's Toad]

And my good friend that is a supervisor at the Post Office has confirmed that if it is an envelope that has a first class postage paid permit that if mailed in the US it will be delivered and collected for at the weight and thickness it is.

The PO will either take it out of their account or if they pay when they pick up their mail they must pay the postage due to pick up ANY of their mail. There is NO pick and choose, it is a lump deal and they have to pay for all the mail with postage due.

I've heard a brick taped to an envelope will arrive.

I have a friend who finished a project and has almost a pallet of new bricks left over.. says I can have 'em to mail. I think I will.

[bts2free]

David Miscavige used to make us watch this every morning to get us pumped up about our rations for that day. JK!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heKYNWFBkW8

[Panda Termint]

:lol:

[Jachs]

And my good friend that is a supervisor at the Post Office has confirmed that if it is an envelope that has a first class postage paid permit that if mailed in the US it will be delivered and collected for at the weight and thickness it is.

The PO will either take it out of their account or if they pay when they pick up their mail they must pay the postage due to pick up ANY of their mail. There is NO pick and choose, it is a lump deal and they have to pay for all the mail with postage due.

I've heard a brick taped to an envelope will arrive.

I have a friend who finished a project and has almost a pallet of new bricks left over.. says I can have 'em to mail. I think I will.

They will be probably build a new RPF building, just send dirt.

[smartone]

A VERY OLD PHOTO.

http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/images/7/71/TopOfScientology1990.jpg


From left to right:

1* Kurt Weiland (Commanding Officer OSA Int.),
2* Mike Rinder (LRH Personal PR Officer Int.),
3* Janet Light (Director of IAS Administrations),
4* Marc Yager (Inspector General for Admin RTC),
* empty
5* David Miscavige (Chairman of the Board RTC),
* empty
6* Norman Starkey (Trustee of LRH's estate RTC),
7* Ray Mithoff (Inspector General for Tech RTC),
8* Mark Rathbun (Inspector General for Ethics RTC),
9* Guillaume Lesevre (Executive Director Int.) and
10* Ronnie Miscavige (Marketing Executive Int.).

Is the SNR C/S your thinking of Ray Mithoff ? In the Hole?
The other guy Marc Yager the Statistic King. RPF?

Only No.5 is alive

Thanks Jach! It was Ray Mithoff and Marc Yager. Just those two execs along with Guillaume Lesevre that I noticed had disappeared . I would wait until Guillaume came on to speak about Dianetics towards the end of the event and pop outside for a fag because I couldn't understand his heavy French accent.

[Jachs]

The membership numbers are a lie.
The number in the sea argh is a lie.
The number of churches is a lie.

If the 2 of us count for 60 to 100 members in their count then I can see where they get "millions of members".

They are apparently completely incapable of removing multiple variations of obviously the same name.

[/U][/U]Oh please tell me I am doing the ethical thing and didn't Ron say if you communication long enough you will get a response ( or something like that ) anyway, I'm making 'em right-. They like that don't they? LOL !

That if you outflow communicate enough policy is total B/S , how the org uses it,its a total generality, promo mail after mail, same as event call ups, one way multiple enforced comm(reverse "reactive selling" you sure react to it -just gets you pissed.
If one person actually wrote a q u a l i t y sincere letter
instead we get
"Hi my name is _____im getting out of Non e and i wanted to find out what you needed and wanted from me" im at the org making it go right , did you help, hope your not ARC broken with the DofP, sound of R2D2 .

but actually REALLY started to ask about you, ah..yeah hi hope the kids are well, i heard you just got a boat, any snapper?, too far removed from individual thought. Ron really F_ked up on that "tech". he should have applied the japanese 1000 year old anti piss people off tech planning instead of the 1 billion year get rid of trees planning, he didnt factor in the dying tree dynamic5 on that piece of "tech".nor the fact that there is rubbish bin tech, and we dont like this see you later tech. Surveys people surveys.

[Jachs]

Thanks Jach! It was Ray Mithoff and Marc Yager. Just those two execs along with Guillaume Lesevre that I noticed had disappeared . I would wait until Guillaume came on to speak about Dianetics towards the end of the event and pop outside for a fag because I couldn't understand his heavy French accent.

I thought you were going to say you would wait for his accent...LOL

But no.

[The Great Zorg]

A VERY OLD PHOTO.
http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/images/7/71/TopOfScientology1990.jpg
From left to right:
1* Kurt Weiland (Commanding Officer OSA Int.),
2* Mike Rinder (LRH Personal PR Officer Int.),
3* Janet Light (Director of IAS Administrations),
4* Marc Yager (Inspector General for Admin RTC),
* empty
5* David Miscavige (Chairman of the Board RTC),
* empty
6* Norman Starkey (Trustee of LRH's estate RTC),
7* Ray Mithoff (Inspector General for Tech RTC),
8* Mark Rathbun (Inspector General for Ethics RTC),
9* Guillaume Lesevre (Executive Director Int.) and
10* Ronnie Miscavige (Marketing Executive Int.).


I wonder, were they going to dine on only beans, rice and kool-aid? :grouch:

In every evil, greedy fascist regime there is always an inner circle that preys on the remeinder of the devotees, whether it was Nazi germany or scientology or the New World Order: the very, very few feed on the masses. After thousands of years of this shit, one would have thought that we, as a civilization, would have wised up by now! :confused2:

[oneonewasaracecar]

Could well be high the blog does say 5,000-7,000.

Does anyone know the latest numbers of Sea Org member in

US, Europe, Australia.
From what I have seen, 50-100 Sea Org members in Sydney. I would also say that 200-300 public in Sydney. That 5000-7000 figure for Sea Org members worldwide seems generous. Half of that would be a better estimate.

[Jachs]

From what I have seen, 50-100 Sea Org members in Sydney. I would also say that 200-300 public in Sydney. That 5000-7000 figure for Sea Org members worldwide seems generous. Half of that would be a better estimate.

50-100 sea Org in ANZO,
23 at Osa Int.if Osa shrunk 5 times from 120 has the rest of the Sea Org?

how the hell could there even be 3500 sea org members let alone 5,000?

The reality of it just doesnt add up.

Three main areas, europe, The US and Asia-Anzo

and 40, 000 worldwide on lines active is looking unlikely, even with the apparency of ideal org real estate boom.

Anyone seen any recent info Re Sea org and public numbers not spouted out of PR Speak.

[oneonewasaracecar]

50-100 sea Org in ANZO,
23 at Osa Int.if Osa shrunk 5 times from 120 has the rest of the Sea Org?

how the hell could there even be 3500 sea org members let alone 5,000?

The reality of it just doesnt add up.

Three main areas, europe, The US and Asia-Anzo

and 40, 000 worldwide on lines active is looking unlikely, even with the apparency of ideal org real estate boom.

Anyone seen any recent info Re Sea org and public numbers not spouted out of PR Speak.
I can't speak for the USA but I agree. The numbers don't add up. 200-300 in Australia would be fair. If there were double that in the UK that would be about 1000. An upper bound of 3500 would require more than 2500 Sea Org in the USA and the rest of the world. I don't believe this.

There was a statistic in BFGs book that mentioned how many people were still in when he left. It was something about the number of e-meters they produced and it had to be the right number for all the scis who were still in. I can't remember the figure, but it was in the thousands not the 10,000s. I would guess the number of Sea Org members would have to be something like 5-1 or 10-1 against the number of public.

[Jachs]

I can't speak for the USA but I agree. The numbers don't add up. 200-300 in Australia would be fair. If there were double that in the UK that would be about 1000. An upper bound of 3500 would require more than 2500 Sea Org in the USA and the rest of the world. I don't believe this.

There was a statistic in BFGs book that mentioned how many people were still in when he left. It was something about the number of e-meters they produced and it had to be the right number for all the scis who were still in. I can't remember the figure, but it was in the thousands not the 10,000s. I would guess the number of Sea Org members would have to be something like 5-1 or 10-1 against the number of public.

Ill see if i can find BFGs info on this.

[Jachs]

I wonder, were they going to dine on only beans, rice and kool-aid? :grouch:

In every evil, greedy fascist regime there is always an inner circle that preys on the remeinder of the devotees, whether it was Nazi germany or scientology or the New World Order: the very, very few feed on the masses. After thousands of years of this shit, one would have thought that we, as a civilization, would have wised up by now! :confused2:


The ones no longer at the table but still in more than likely, not even the motherland was so harsh as to RPF...

Yes "The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

Total costs of personal items
bought by David Miscavige for self INDULGENCE = $ 205,725,000.00.


for breakdown see
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1991

[Jachs]

Missing in action... Int Management
from left 1)? 2)? 3)Marc Yager 4)COB DM 5)Norman Starkey 6)Guilliame Leserve 7)Ray Mithoff?

http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/so3.jpg

[Auditor's Toad]

The C o $ is in a position of where the truth does not serve it...period.

The C o $ has to lie in order to try to preserve what it has.

The ship is sinking.........now to make it sink faster.

The remains of the C o $ are about to relics lost in the annals of history.

LRH's legagcy will be as the butt of bad jokes.

[Jachs]

Posting for interests sake.

HIGHLY posted execs who have spoken out below.

http://www.scientology-cult.com/images/stories/photos/frontpage.jpg

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/

Amy ScobeeJoined Scientology: at age 14, 1978 Left Scientology: 2005
Oversaw several operations sectors during 20 years as manager at the church's international base in California. Built the network of Scientology Celebrity Centres, assembling and training staff to match four-star service levels. Oversaw church's film and taping facilities. As teenager, managed kitchen, housekeeping and grounds crews in Clearwater.
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/images/scobee.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/scobee.shtm

Marty RathbunJoined Scientology: at age 20, in 1977 Left Scientology: 2004
A top lieutenant to Miscavige. Key player in legal affairs unit. Miscavige's "detail guy" during lengthy negotiations with IRS; among those who signed settlement agreement. Inspector general and board member of Religious Technology Center, church's top ecclesiastical authority. Known for his auditing skills. Audited Tom Cruise. Coached auditors working with Kirstie Alley, Isaac Hayes and other celebrities.
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/images/rathbun.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/rathbun.shtml

Steve Hall Joined Scientology: at age 21, in 1979-2004
Wrote scripts for videos and TV ads. Says he was responsible for the Scientology slogan: "Know life, know yourself."
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/images/Hall5.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/hall.shtml


Jeff HawkinsJoined Scientology: at age 21, in 1967 in L.A Left Sea Org: 2005.
Marketing and design, created TV ad that featured exploding volcano to promote Dianetics.
http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/images/Hawkins2.jpg

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/hawkins.shtml

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[Freeminds]

A VERY OLD PHOTO.

http://www.davidmiscavige.wikiscientology.org/images/7/71/TopOfScientology1990.jpg

Honestly, my first thought when I studied this photograph: holy cow, he's absolutely TINY! I often hear people calling him as asthmatic dwarf or something, but I hadn't really appreciated the magnitude (or lack of...) of D.M.'s dwarfism. Even with a booster cushion and empty seats on either side, you can still tell he's knee-high to a dormouse.

(Intellectually, too... But I was thinking of how miniscule Miscavige is.)

[Jachs]

Honestly, my first thought when I studied this photograph: holy cow, he's absolutely TINY! I often hear people calling him as asthmatic dwarf or something, but I hadn't really appreciated the magnitude (or lack of...) of D.M.'s dwarfism. Even with a booster cushion and empty seats on either side, you can still tell he's knee-high to a dormouse.


So was Napoleon....Despite his short stature (described variously as from 5 ft. 2 in. to 5 ft. 6 in.) or perhaps because of it, Napoleon exuded strength, power, and raw ambition.

http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/so3.jpg

[Mest Lover]

The ship is sinking.........now to make it sink faster.



Will the captain go down with the ship or will he abscond with the riches and flee before the rats start jumping ship?

[Jachs]

Will the captain go down with the ship or will he abscond with the riches and flee before the rats start jumping ship?

The self appointed chairman wont give up. Hes deluded he is making progress, and the SPs are just making noise and that is just Chaos blowing off.
If a "few" die horrible deaths and go insane from Command intention then the end justifies the means.

Compare Hitler and Miscavige.. with carnage accumulating and critics protesting..

Hitler had the "vision" of a new world, Miscaviges appears to be new cathedrals and vampire suits.

It is often used in a negative way.
If the end justifies the means, then spurious ends,
such as the supremacy of The Third Reich,
and justify unethical means, such as destroying
anyone who gets in the way of this end.

[Jachs]

your still watching

[Jachs]

for interest crosspost from WWP.

Former Church of Scientology members who have spoken out.

http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spok en_out.



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[Jachs]

This particular philosophy goes back a long time, and appears to have dominated Scientology and Dianetic activity up to the mid-60s, at which point administrative aspects overshadowed technical aspects, and a para military organisation was formed up based on savage management techniques and philosophies. It is known as "the Sea Org", and it has dominated over the churches since. It also crushed the above-stated, original philosophy out of existence. So, that was the philosophy of Scientology and Dianetics.

So these things grew from 1955 up to about 1966, when the para military "Sea Org" administrative Arm took control of the thing away from the technical and religious types. In less than a year the character went from that of peaceable savages to predatory barbarians. I was at Saint Hill in the 1965-66 period as a witness to this change in character. It was the most appalling event I have seen this lifetime

The church as become a giant administratively. 95% of the people are involved in administrative activities, and less than 5% re involved in religious-experience-type of work, such as counselling.

http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.excalibur.flight6.htm#The_Philosophy_of_Scien tology_and_Dianetics_

[OperatingEnthetan]

I just want to say that I was recruited by the Sea Org a couple months ago, they brought me to LA. And in all reality, it seemed fairly dead. There were Sea Org ppl of course, but it was NOT what I thought such a big org would look like. ASHO was dead. AOLA wasn't very busy either. I'm freshly out, so I may have seen more on the inside recently than some of you.

I'll say also that I feel that the SO is in a panic. They paid for my airfare and everything! Which was a little crazy because I have a big debt and a business.... I felt a sense of panic everywhere in the Co$. One thing that got me to realize that something was fishy was just the insane reging going on, they would come into my place of business and not leave, the SO would call while I was working and interrupt and not get off the phone. SO would call me at 1am, even 3am while I was sleeping! It stressed me out!:angry:

Here's a fun fact: When I was in LA being recruited, I told one guy there that I had been ignoring all 323 calls cause I knew they were coming from LA, trying to get me to buy Basics or whatever. He says to me "Yeah seems like everyone is ignoring our calls!" Haha. :dieslaughing:

[Freeminds]

Welcome, OperatingEnthetan. You really are most welcome and so is your news. I hope a lot more people will get wise to the scam and get out in the weeks ahead.

[LongTimeGone]

I just want to say that I was recruited by the Sea Org a couple months ago, they brought me to LA. And in all reality, it seemed fairly dead. There were Sea Org ppl of course, but it was NOT what I thought such a big org would look like. ASHO was dead. AOLA wasn't very busy either. I'm freshly out, so I may have seen more on the inside recently than some of you.

I'll say also that I feel that the SO is in a panic. They paid for my airfare and everything! Which was a little crazy because I have a big debt and a business.... I felt a sense of panic everywhere in the Co$. One thing that got me to realize that something was fishy was just the insane reging going on, they would come into my place of business and not leave, the SO would call while I was working and interrupt and not get off the phone. SO would call me at 1am, even 3am while I was sleeping! It stressed me out!:angry:

Here's a fun fact: When I was in LA being recruited, I told one guy there that I had been ignoring all 323 calls cause I knew they were coming from LA, trying to get me to buy Basics or whatever. He says to me "Yeah seems like everyone is ignoring our calls!" Haha. :dieslaughing:

:welcome2: Welcome OE.

Very interesting, thanks for the update and yes some of us have been out of the scene for a long time (thankfully).

Pretty quick decision and resolution on your part - You must be a bit smarter than some of us. :yes:

LTG

[Jachs]

I just want to say that I was recruited by the Sea Org a couple months ago, they brought me to LA. And in all reality, it seemed fairly dead. There were Sea Org ppl of course, but it was NOT what I thought such a big org would look like. ASHO was dead. AOLA wasn't very busy either. I'm freshly out, so I may have seen more on the inside recently than some of you.

I'll say also that I feel that the SO is in a panic. They paid for my airfare and everything! Which was a little crazy because I have a big debt and a business.... I felt a sense of panic everywhere in the Co$. One thing that got me to realize that something was fishy was just the insane reging going on, they would come into my place of business and not leave, the SO would call while I was working and interrupt and not get off the phone. SO would call me at 1am, even 3am while I was sleeping! It stressed me out!:angry:

Here's a fun fact: When I was in LA being recruited, I told one guy there that I had been ignoring all 323 calls cause I knew they were coming from LA, trying to get me to buy Basics or whatever. He says to me "Yeah seems like everyone is ignoring our calls!" Haha. :dieslaughing:

Welcome OperatingEnthetan, our latest EX Sea Org member
you not a number here though ,and we actually look after our comrades unlike the group you just left who punishes theirs.
glad your out of the insanity.

[Mest Lover]

for interest crosspost from WWP.

Former Church of Scientology members who have spoken out.

http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spok en_out.


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I am a proud member of that list now, I never thought I would be able to say that before a few months ago.

[Mest Lover]

I just want to say that I was recruited by the Sea Org a couple months ago, they brought me to LA. And in all reality, it seemed fairly dead. There were Sea Org ppl of course, but it was NOT what I thought such a big org would look like. ASHO was dead. AOLA wasn't very busy either. I'm freshly out, so I may have seen more on the inside recently than some of you.

I'll say also that I feel that the SO is in a panic. They paid for my airfare and everything! Which was a little crazy because I have a big debt and a business.... I felt a sense of panic everywhere in the Co$. One thing that got me to realize that something was fishy was just the insane reging going on, they would come into my place of business and not leave, the SO would call while I was working and interrupt and not get off the phone. SO would call me at 1am, even 3am while I was sleeping! It stressed me out!:angry:

Here's a fun fact: When I was in LA being recruited, I told one guy there that I had been ignoring all 323 calls cause I knew they were coming from LA, trying to get me to buy Basics or whatever. He says to me "Yeah seems like everyone is ignoring our calls!" Haha. :dieslaughing:

They were always in a panic even 20 years ago, but now its to hide the obvious truth you have mentioned of Present Time that there isnt anyone staying and nobody new coming. EMPTYNESS is hill 10!

[Jachs]

Thats true , it is a good and bad sign , good because it shows the failure, but bad because of the absolute hell that must be going on if your in.

If you want to read about David Miscavige, Norman starkey, Greg Wilheres reaction to being held at gunpoint accused of hijacking scientology in the 80's click on the link below.



Gun pulled on David Miscavige
From page 9 http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22430-Jesse-Prince-speaks-out-Now-It-Begins/page9&highlight=Jesse

I came into the office, Dave asked me to have a seat. He stood up and started screaming at me at the top of his lungs and told me he had given me a change to join him and I didn’t so it was time for me to go to the RPF along with anyone else who’d refused to follow him. David asked me to acknowledge him by calling him “Sir”. I stood up and said “Fuck You!” It was at this point that Marty and Greg tried to grab me....I was also a first degree Black Belt in Okanowan Go Jo Rue Karate.....

...I went directly to my room and retrieved my Colt 45 revolver and my Mini 14 Assault Rifle with the banana clip fully loaded. Both weapons were fully loaded with the safety mechanisms disengage and cocked. I also had extra clips in my pockets for the 45. I went back to David Miscavige’s office with my guns pointed at him and the group he was standing with. With calm reserve I told David Miscavige I would kill them all. Norman Starkey, who was the executive director for L Ron’s publishing company, Author Services said, in that wicked South African accent of his “You traitor! We’ll get you. You can’t kill us all.” I said to him “That may be, but you’ll be the first to die.” This standoff seemed to last for an eternity as I waited for anyone to make the slightest move so I could make my guns bark. I was in the zone and felt no pain or concern about anything. It was like time slowed to a crawl and I could see in slow motion.


From Post 1http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?22430-Jesse-Prince-speaks-out-Now-It-Begins&highlight=Jesse

In the security check Dave made sure he told me about the trips to the casinos, the heavy drinking and the women he and Pat had enjoyed together. Dave freely confessed his sins and Pat Broeker"s sins as well. He said if he was going to go down, he was going to make sure Pat Broeker went down as well. He was very critical of Pat, saying he had a long history of alcohol abuse and recklessly spending LRH's money. Of course, the person who received the report of Dave"s sec check was Pat Broeker. So it didn"t surprise me a bit when Dave and Pat suddenly became best buddies again. I seriously doubt that anything but reports full of glowing praise for Dave ever went to LRH.


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[Jachs]

Referencing the night before the Famous Mission holders conference that was more Akin to a mafia standover by Miscavige, what ultimately happened to the mission network, Miscavige Killed it as a flourishing enterprise for fear of losing the finances, but at least someone tried to stop him.

Present: David Miscavige,Marc Yager, Norman Starkey,

Alan C Walters, Bill Franks, Dean Stokes.


Cross post from Bill Franks thread.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=542455&postcount=222

Wendy Honor additional info on the reintroduction of the auditor program after 30 years!!!how long is that a comm lag from DM??actually its not DM but others so hes still in Lagging in Gu lag town.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=228237&postcount=1

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=229294&postcount=31

[lotus]

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Sorry

[Gottabrain]

Seems another wave of ex's are getting involved.

The more the merrier! :happydance: :happydance:

[Jachs]

I am a proud member of that list now, I never thought I would be able to say that before a few months ago.

Well done, we are proud of you too..its a BIG ____________step

you made it and now others will read it and follow.

[Jachs]

#13http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q1.html#cq_induce_guilt

Induction of guilt, and the use of guilt to manipulate members.
members can be faulted, and made to feel guilty, for anything and everything, from their sexual desires to their weakness in getting tired and making mistakes after 16 hours of working for free. Many use public confession or self-criticism sessions to induce more guilt. Errors and sins committed in the past are also a fertile ground for inducing guilt, especially since the member can not now do anything to change or fix the past. This guilt can, in turn, be used to control the minds of members: "You thought that was a good thing to do? Your mind is useless. Your mind is corrupted. Just do what you are told, and quit trying to think so much."

Install Phobias.
Members are made to fear that terrible things will happen to them if they leave the group, or fail to follow the orders , or even question the teachings. Fears are part of the group member's belief system, and the cultish mind-set contains numerous fears to keep it imprisoned.

Steve Hassan lists numerous Physical, Psychological, Spiritual and Social fears that various groups will implant in their followers. For just a few examples, Sea org members fear that if they leave the CoS they will:

* die painfully or violently.
* become an alcoholic or drug addict.
* go insane.
* be a failure.
* lose control completely.
* lose their dreams.
* lose all hope of a happy future.
* become unspiritual.
* lose their relationship with God.
* be defeated by Satan.
* be possessed by demons or evil spirits.
* lose their chance for immortality or salvation.
* be judged unworthy when Armageddon takes place.
* not be taken up to Heaven when the Rapture happens.
* be unloved.
* be ostracized and rejected by the group (This threat is real.).
* be abandoned.
* be accused unjustly.
* be persecuted by psychiatrists or other mental health specialists.
* be tortured or tormented by deprogrammers or exit counselors.

This culture also induces guilt by holding up an a superhuman, impossibly lofty standard for the perfect member. The members can't ever live up to the standard, so they always feel guilty and inadequate. See the item An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection for more.

Guilt induction is a very powerful tool for manipulating people's minds. In his study of Communist "brainwashing" of American and British prisoners during the Korean War, Edward Hunter wrote:

The Reds had found that the easiest way to subdue any group of people was to give its members a guilt complex and then to lead them on from self-denunciation to self-betrayal. All that was required to put this across was a sufficiently heartless exploitation of the essential goodness in people, so that they would seek self-sacrifice to compensate for their feelings of guilt. The self-sacrifice obviously made available to them in this inside-out environment is some form of treason.
Brainwashing, From Pavlov to Powers, Edward Hunter, page 169.

Thus, any cult that combines guilt induction with confession and self-criticism sessions has a good start on a mind-control or brainwashing program. The cult will simply offer the member some other form of self-sacrifice, usually a life spent fund-raising or recruiting or working for free.



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[Jachs]

The Cult Test Bit oif confront here for the newly exited member.It wasnt all bad, but it wasnt all good either now. Dont feel Guilty.
Questions 1 to 100 Take your time and have a look, The fear you feel now , did you feel that when you first joined the group?
by A. Orange


1-10

* 1. The Guru is always right.
* 2. You are always wrong.
* 3. No Exit (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_no_exit).
* 4. No Graduates.
* 5. Cult-speak.
* 6. Group-think (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_group_think), Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking
* 7. Irrationality.
* 8. Suspension of disbelief.
* 9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html#cq_enemy)...
* 10. Personal attacks on critics (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_personal_attacks).

11-20

* 11. "Insistence that this way is THE ONLY WAY" (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q1.html#cq_only_way)
* 12. The cult and its members are special.
* 13. Induction of guilt (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q1.html#cq_induce_guilt), and the use of guilt to manipulate cult members.
* 14. Unquestionable Dogma, Sacred Science, and Infallible Ideology.That you see sometimes failing.
* 15. Indoctrination of members.
* 16. Appeals to "holy" or "wise" authorities.
* 17. Instant Community.
* 18. Instant Intimacy.
* 19. Surrender To The Cult.
* 20. Giggly wonderfulness and starry-eyed faith (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q1.html#cq_giggly).

21-30

* 21. Personal testimonies of earlier converts.
* 22. The cult is self-absorbed (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q2.html#cq_self_absorbed).
* 23. Dual Purposes, Hidden Agendas, and Ulterior Motives.
* 24. Aggressive Recruiting (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q2.html#cq_aggressive_recruiting)
* 25. Deceptive Recruiting (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q2.html#cq_deceptive_recruiting). Did you get what your Recruiter said would happen?
* 26. No Humor.
* 27. You Can't Tell The Truth.
* 28. Cloning — You become a clone of the cult leader or other elder cult members.
* 29. You must change your beliefs to conform to the group's beliefs.
* 30. The End Justifies The Means (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q2.html#cq_end_justifies).Greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics

31-40

* 31. Dishonesty, Deceit, Denial, Falsification, and Rewriting History (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q3.html).
* 32. Different Levels of Truth.
* 33. Newcomers can't think right.
* 34. The Cult Implants Phobias.
* 35. The Cult is Money-Grubbing.
* 36. Confession Sessions.
* 37. A System of Punishments and Rewards.
* 38. An Impossible Superhuman Model of Perfection (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q3.html#cq_perfection).
* 39. Mentoring.
* 40. Intrusiveness.

41-50


* 41. Disturbed Guru, Mentally Ill Leader.
* 42. Disturbed Members, Mentally Ill Followers.
* 43. Create a sense of powerlessness, covert fear, guilt, and dependency (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q4.html#cq_powerlessness).
* 44. Dispensed existence
* 45. Ideology Over Experience, Observation, and Logic
* 46. Keep them unaware that there is an agenda to change them
* 47. Thought-Stopping Language (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q4.html#cq_thought_stop). Thought-terminating clichés and slogans.
* 48. Mystical Manipulation
* 49. The guru or the group demands ultra-loyalty and total committment.
* 50. Demands for Total Faith and Total Trust (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q4.html#cq_total_faith)

51-60

* 51. Members Get No Respect. They Get Abused (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q5.html).
* 52. Inconsistency. Contradictory Messages (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q5.html#cq_inconsistency)
* 53. Hierarchical, Authoritarian Power Structure, and Social Castes
* 54. Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists
* 55. Belief equals truth
* 56. Use of double-binds
* 57. The cult leader is not held accountable for his actions.
* 58. Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around.
* 59. The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.
* 60. Dispensed truth and social definition of reality

61-70

* 61. The Guru Is Extra-Special (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q5.html).
* 62. Flexible, shifting morality
* 63. Separatism
* 64. Inability to tolerate criticism
* 65. A Charismatic Leader
* 66. Calls to Obliterate Self
* 67. Don't Trust Your Own Mind (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q6.html#cq_dont_trust_mind).
* 68. Don't Feel Your Own Feelings.
* 69. The cult takes over the individual's decision-making process.
* 70. You Owe The Group (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q6.html#cq_you_owe).

71-80

* 71. We Have The Panacea (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q7.html).
* 72. Progressive Indoctrination and Progressive Commitments
* 73. Magical, Mystical, Unexplainable Workings
* 74. Trance-Inducing Practices
* 75. New Identity — Redefinition of Self — Revision of Personal History
* 76. Membership Rivalry
* 77. True Believers
* 78. Scapegoating and Excommunication (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q7.html#cq_scapegoating)
* 79. Promised Powers or Knowledge
* 80. It's a con. You don't get the promised goodies.

81-90

* 81. Hypocrisy (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html)
* 82. Denial of the truth. Reversal of reality. Rationalization and Denial (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html#cq_denial).
* 83. Seeing Through Tinted Lenses
* 84. You can't make it without the cul (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html#cq_cant_without)t.
* 85. Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html#cq_enemy)
* 86. The cult wants to own you.
* 87. Channelling or other occult, unchallengeable, sources of information.
* 88. They Make You Dependent On The Group.
* 89. Demands For Compliance With The Group (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q8.html#cq_compliance) Nambi Pambi bunch of panti waist dilletantes.
* 90. Newcomers Need Fixing.

91-100

* 91. Use of the Cognitive Dissonance Technique (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q9.html).
* 92. Grandiose existence. Bombastic, Grandiose Claims.
* 93. Black And White Thinking
* 94. The use of heavy-duty mind control and rapid conversion techniques.
* 95. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who leaves the cult.
* 96. Threats of bodily harm or death to someone who criticizes the cult.
* 97. Appropriation of all of the members' worldly wealth.
* 98. Making cult members work long hours for free.
* 99. Total immersion and total isolation.
* 100. Mass suicide.
* Bibliography (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-bibliography.html)

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html#cq_group_think

[Jachs]

an old contract, the responsibility/guilt paper so much for enforcement on agreement being abberative, here have some more.

dont forget about Power of choice, and re deciding in a new unit of time,
The Turn your back tech for making a wrong choice , is that a make wrong, isnt that the worst overt of all.
Enforce and Inhibit the two biggest bearers of compulsive thought, mind benders, the tools of your recruiter and Registrar.
Once you have "agreed" unconsciously, when you come to your senses, you are hit with stage 2 guilt.

http://i31.tinypic.com/w2kcvs.png

[Jump]

14. If you do well you will be sent to the ship at our expense.

TRANSLATION: If you mess up, we will incarcerate you in international waters with no chance for escape.

[OHTEEATE]

25000 through, 5000 in, means 20,000 freeloader debts to collect, which is a major income stream. I believe it is intentional. The scars the freeloader bears for life are of no bother to the SO. Them not fearing to hurt others in a just cause, and all.

[Jachs]

25000 through, 5000 in, means 20,000 freeloader debts to collect, which is a major income stream. I believe it is intentional. The scars the freeloader bears for life are of no bother to the SO. Them not fearing to hurt others in a just cause, and all.

Yeah, of course, wheres does the word Compassion...belong in a military religion.

A wordsmith dictator is all we needed.

LINK TO afaceinthecrowd 'SHOOTING STARS'

1Shooting Stars:PART 1 LRH & the Mission Holder's Kristallnacht—My “Take” (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=525100&postcount=1)

1PART 2 Buckaroo El Ron’s Whip (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=21698)

16 Part 3 “Yeuh kneuh, of keurs, I meant to that?!” Inspector Jacques Clouseau (Peter Sellers) (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=526692&postcount=16)

24Part 4 Unleashing “The Power of Source” (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=531387&postcount=24)

29Part 5 LRC’s POS Legacy, The Begat’s (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=537456&postcount=29)

41 Part 6 LRC’s POS Legacy, The Begat’s (cont.) (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=540014&postcount=41)

52Part 7 LRC’s POS Legacy, The Begat’s (cont.) (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=544047&postcount=52)

79 The Power Of Source newspaper clipping (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=544690&postcount=79)

124 Part 8 Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=547068&postcount=124)“Hell has three gates: lust, anger, and greed”.

153 Faces “Take” on Admin “Tech” and its’ Genus (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=549874&postcount=153)

167Part 9 Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars (cont.) “Fear, The Padlock On ‘The Gate of Greed’” (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=550625&postcount=167)

191 Part 10 “The Gate of Greed” (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=553838&postcount=191)

216 Part 11 Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars (conclusion) “Burning Bridges” (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=557514&postcount=216)

[Jachs]

Flag will get you to where you want to go, just ask Debbie Cook.
Source http://markrathbun.wordpress.com

THE WORDS FAILED CASE DO NOT EXIST AT FLAG.. DO NOT EXIST THE TRUTH IS WHAT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE Alan C Walter-Worked closely with Ron

From Jan 19/2010

Debbie Cook CO Flag Service Organisation.

Old news for the Forum but included here for interests sake.

The Fall of Debbie Cook (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/the-fall-of-debbie-cook-the-final-purges-part-3/)

How the FSO was lost – the final purges part 2 (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/how-the-fso-was-lost-the-final-purges-part-2/)

Debbie Cook was cross ordered into oblivion by Miscavige

By early 07 Debbie was being ferociously cross ordered by DM with “hey you” orders. Already saddled with setting up the “FLB Folo satellite offices”, directly handling the outside architect design firm for FSO and Oak Cove renos and Super Power construction, IAS crush evolutions here and there, and all marketing for the “Basics” release, DM would regularly order her into other random areas. “Comps is flapping”, he’d scream into the phone; Debbie would have to drop all she’d already been assigned and rush into unfamiliar turf. On other occasions she was ordered into video editing because event videos were “flapping.”

To top it off, DM was interspersing all this with orders to Debbie to solve the “man up of Int.” That is right, the same “man up of Int” I spoke of in my June 21 St Pete Times interviews that led to the infamous Musical Chairs in Feb 2004. 3 ½ years later, still not done, or I should say “not allowed to be done by DM.” It was this very “man up of Int” failure that DM used as an excuse to bust his own wife and assign her to purgatory (subject of yet another upcoming series).http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/debbie1.jpg

[Jachs]

kNow no new news

some definitions from the tree of life applicable to standard operating procedure and punishment delved out in the name of CofS

SOP
se·ver·i·ty
   /səˈvɛrɪti/ Show
–noun, plural -ties.

1.harshness, sternness, or rigor: Their lives were marked by severity.

2.austere simplicity, as of style, manner, or taste: The severity of the decor was striking.

3.intensity or sharpness, as of cold or pain.

4.grievousness; hard or trying character or effect: The severity of his loss was finally becoming apparent.

5.rigid exactness or accuracy.

6.an instance of strict or severe behavior, punishment, etc.

Missing wisdom

Mercycan refer both to compassionate behaviour on the part of those in power (e.g. mercy shown by a judge toward a convict),

on the part of a humanitarian third party (e.g. a mission of mercy aiming to treat war victims) or

divine mercy shown to the penitent.[1] Mercy is a word used to describe compassion shown by one person to another, or a request from one person to another to be shown such leniency or unwarranted compassion for a crime or wrongdoing. Some of the earliest recorded expressions of divine mercy are found in Ancient Egyptian literature.

[2] One of the basic virtues of chivalry, Christian ethics, Islam, and Judaism, it is also related to concepts of justice and morality in behaviour between people.


7 food for thought.

[Jachs]

Div6 provided the link to Eric Hoffers book.exceptional. In 1951 his first book, The True Believer was published () what timimg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

The book analyzes and attempts to explain the motives of the various types of personalities that give rise to mass movements; why and how mass movements start, progress and end; and the similarities between them, whether religious, political, radical or reactionary. As examples, the book often refers to Communism, Fascism, National Socialism, Christianity, Protestantism and Islam. Hoffer believes that mass movements are interchangeable, that adherents will often flip from one movement to another, and that the motivations for mass movements are interchangeable; that religious, nationalist and social movements, whether radical or reactionary, tend to attract the same type of followers, behave in the same way and use the same tactics, even when their stated goals or values different.

THE TRUE BELIEVER: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements
by Eric Hoffer

(from a review by Dr. Mark Skousen at MSkousen.com ):
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EXCERPTS

The lure of meaning and purpose

“All mass movements generate in their adherents a readiness to die and a proclivity for united action; all of them, irrespective of the doctrine they preach and the program they project, breed fanaticism, enthusiasm, fervent hope, hatred and intolerance; all of them are capable of releasing a powerful flow of activity in certain departments of life; all of them demand blind faith and singlehearted allegiance.” (Preface)

Hoffer defines a “true believer” as “the man of fanatical faith who is ready to sacrifice his life for a holy cause.” Leaders of the mass movement “must know how to kindle and fan an extravagant hope”—for Islamic fanatics, death is the key to instant heaven. “If they join the movement as full converts they are reborn to a new life in its close-knit collective body, or if attracted as sympathizers they find elements of pride, confidence and purpose….” (p. 13)

The true believer is “without wonder and hesitation.” “An active mass movement rejects the present and centers its interest on the future.” (p. 82)

The mass movement hates independence and individualism. The focus is on “obedience” and “one mindedness.” “Uniformity” must be developed. (p. 101)

Members must be “deindividualized” and “incorporated” into the mass movement. “When we lose our individual independence in the incorporateness of a mass movement, we find a new freedom—freedom to hate, bully, lie, torture, murder and betray without shame and remorse.” (p. 100)

Violence is essential to fanatical mass movements. “Violence breeds fanaticism….and fanaticism begets violence.” Regarding Islam: “Islam imposed its faith by force, yet the coerced Muslims displayed a devotion to the new faith more ardent than that of the first Arabs engaged in the movement.” (p. 107)

Members of the fanatic group are taught to have a common hatred, a single foe, a devil. “The ideal devil is a foreigner….Hitler—the foremost authority on devils—found it easy to brand the German Jews as foreigners.” (pp. 92-93)

Hatred becomes a habit. (p. 146)

Interestingly, Hoffer points out that “The Americans are poor haters in international affairs because of their innate feeling of superiority over all foreigners….Should Americans begin to hate foreigners wholeheartedly, it will be an indication that they have lost confidence in their own way of life.” (p. 96)

more The True Believer excerpts /quotes on the effects of mass movements on an individual psyche (http://www.fourthwaycult.net/truebeliever.html)

Exaggerating the feeling of shame

An effective mass movement cultivates the idea of sin. It depicts the autonomous self not only as barren and helpless but also as vile. To confess and repent is to slough off one’s individual distinctness and separateness, and salvation is found by losing oneself in the holy oneness of the congregation. (p. 54)
.
Once the harmony with the self is upset, and a man is impelled to reject, renounce, distrust, or forget his self, he turns into a highly reactive entity. Like an unstable chemical radical he hungers to combine with whatever comes within his reach. He cannot stand apart, poised and self-sufficient, but has to attach himself whole-heartedly to one side or another. (p. 84)

The imitation of outsiders is branded as treason and apostasy. [...] Every device is used to cut off the faithful from intercourse with unbelievers.Contempt for the outside world is of course the most effective defense against disruptive imitation (of it). (p. 103-104)


An atmosphere of suspicion

Self-contempt, however vague, sharpens our eyes for the imperfections of others. We usually strive to reveal in others the blemishes we hide in ourselves. Thus when the frustrated congregate in a mass movement, the air is heavy-laden with suspicion. There is prying and spying, tense watching and a sense of being watched.

Now and then innocent people are deliberately accused and sacrificed in order to keep suspicion alive. Suspicion is given a sharp edge by associating all opposition within the ranks with the enemy threatening the movement from without.

This enemy - the indispensable devil of every mass movement - is omnipresent. (p. 124-125)



Maintaining dependency

Almost all our contemporary movements showed in their early stages a hostile attitude toward the family, and did all they could to discredit and disrupt it. They did it by undermining the authority of the parents; by facilitating divorce; by taking over the responsibility for feeding, educating and entertaining the children; and by encouraging illegitimacy. (p. 36)

It is doubtful whether the fanatic who deserts his holy cause or is suddenly left without one can ever adjust himself to an autonomous individual existence. [...] An individual existence, even when purposeful, seems to him trivial, futile and sinful. To live without an ardent dedication is to be adrift and abandoned. (p. 87)



Life in prison

Not only does a mass movement depict the present as mean and miserable - it deliberately makes it so. It fashions a pattern of individual existence that is dour, hard, repressive and dull. It decries pleasures and comforts and extols the rigorous life. It views ordinary enjoyment as trivial or even discreditable, and represents the pursuit of personal happiness as immoral. (p. 69)

The attitude of absolute certainty

All active mass movements strive, therefore, to interpose a fact-proof screen between the faithful and the realities of the world. They do this by claiming that the ultimate and absolute truth is already embodied in their doctrine and that there is no truth or certitude outside it.

The facts on which the true believer bases his conclusions must not be derived from his experience or observation but from holy writ.(policies) (p. 79)


If a doctrine is not unintelligible, it has to be vague; and if neither unintelligible nor vague, it has to be unverifiable. One has to get to heaven or the distant future to determine the truth of an effective doctrine. (p. 81) (confusion technique)

To be in possession of an absolute truth is to have a net of familiarity spread over the whole of eternity. There are no surprises and no unknowns. All questions have already been answered, all decisions made, all eventualities foreseen. The true believer is without wonder and hesitation. (p. 82)

[U]The vanity of "a Seeker"

The burning conviction that we have a holy duty toward others is often a way of attaching our drowning selves to a passing raft. What looks like giving a hand is often a holding on for dear life. Take away our holy duties and you leave our lives puny and meaningless. There is no doubt that in exchanging a self-centered for a selfless life we gain enormously in self-esteem. The vanity of the selfless, even those who practice utmost humility, is boundless. (p. 14-15)

The perfect leader

A movement is pioneered by men of words, materialized by fanatics and consolidated by men of action. It is usually an advantage to a movement, and perhaps a prerequisite for its endurance, that these roles should be played by different men succeeding each other as conditions require. [...] With the appearance of the man of action the explosive vigor of the movement is embalmed and sealed in sanctified institutions. A religious movement crystallizes in a hierarchy and a ritual. (p. 147-149)

The diminishing capacity for original thought

[The true believer] subordinates creative work to the advancement of the movement. Literature, art and science must be propagandistic and they must be "practical." The true-believing writer, artist or scientist does not create to express himself, or to save his soul or to discover the true and the beautiful. His task, as he see it, is to warn, to advise, to urge, to glorify and to denounce. (p. 155)


The effectiveness of a doctrine does not come from its meaning but from its certitude. No doctrine however profound and sublime will be effective unless it is presented as the embodiment of the one and only truth. It must be the one word from which all things are and all things speak. (p. 80)

[Jachs]

1982 MISSION HOLDERS CONFERENCE FROM COUP-MAND INTENTION VIEW.


The Church PR piece on the takeover, How they saved us from ever present doom


Sea Org 'Expansion' Link (Dispanding) Newsletter[/URL]

Origin LINK

Dont forget to check out the Qualifying statement , possibly the sea org will accept you

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/inner-core-meltdown-in-miscaviges-bunker/#comments

The first time he was there in Nov 2003,

Wilhere punched the ED JBGD (Albert) in the stomach. Albert, who is a long term Sea Org member on garrison mission in JBGD that was doing very well as the ED, was being told he would be replaced by a local OT from the field because those were the orders from Mgmt. All new Idle Orgs had to have OT’s from the field put on post as ED’s (of course so that Miscavige could have total control over them since the OT Ass’es kiss up to him). Albert was upset about this order but it was coming from INT (ie: blanket order from Miscavige on all orgs). Wilhere told Albert it was BS and he was going to stay on post but not before he punched him in the stomach regarding accepting this illegal order. Of course this is another time when Miscavige cross ordered himself and then blamed others for it. Apparently it wasn’t a brutal punch, but it was pretty hard and Albert was kind of shocked. It definitely had an impact on EVERYBODY that knew, because it sent a pretty clear message. Not one of kindness and compassion.

[RolandRB]

Even if you took the low figure of 3,500 and multiplied that by $50.00/week, that's $175,000.00 per week just for pay and that does not include feeding and housing them, and other incidentals, etc.

That's a lot of money to come up with each week from failing orgs that are getting regged within an inch of their lives for donos.

Then Reg them harder! Reg them for Ideal Org buildings, Reg them for renovating said buildings, Reg them to upgrade their IAS status and Reg them for the Golden Age of Tech Phase II. Do it all at the same time with them locked in a room with the doors blocked by large black dudes and get them to dance and sing and be happy for an eight hour stint promising more and more money as time goes on. Reg them until they are dizzy and drop and then Reg them some more. And then some more!

[Idle Morgue]

I just found a blog here > http://leavescientology.blogspot.com/

and the stats say 25,000 sea Org member have left compared to 5,000 still active.

I havent seen this statistic before, i did search for it in this forum but did not discover it anywhere.

Sea Org Member

We understand that you have been told that blowing is a high crime. We know,
because we've been through it ourselves. We know that your compatriots and
seniors look down on people who have left, and call them SPs.
We understand that even people who go
through the routing-out process are treated as if they are cowards,
and traitors to the cause. You're not.

You may find this statistic very interesting:
There are currently an estimated 5,000-7,000
people in the Sea Org. On the other hand, there
are around 25,000 EX Sea Org member.

Many current SO members don't realize that they have the right to simply walk out. Leaving the Sea Org is a scary thing to do. But the best way to do it is to simply blow. If you have friends and family who are non-Scientologists, call them. If you have parents who will come get you, call them.

I highly doubt there are more than 2,000 in the Sea Morgue!!! :yes: