I am sad

[Winston Smith]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

[Lurker5]

:console: :bighug:

[Thrak]

This board like anything else is a constantly changing scene with different people coming and going and with evolving viewpoints. That's just the way it goes.

[Ladybird]

This board like anything else is a constantly changing scene with different people coming and going and with evolving viewpoints. That's just the way it goes.

I still love you Winny!

For you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfCt_mLMilQ

[Mick Wenlock]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

you must have me on ignore!! We could go over to the Conspiracy theory thread and take the piss out of the eejits over there. Bit like shooting fish in a barrel but still fun in a mindless kind of way.

[uncle sam]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

Winston--all I have to say is: Me Too !

[Tiger Lily]

I know what you're saying. :sadsigh: The good news is that the pendulum will swing back again. . . . we've lost a lot of great, thoughtful and humorous posters lately. I hope they come back, but the void will be filled, I'm sure of it. In the meantime, don't miss Hoax's stuff -- I've been in tears laughing on numerous occasions!!

[Winston Smith]

I still love you Winny!



Aren't horses the most wonderful creatures on earth. Thank you. Such beauty.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Is Winston 'implying' that I'm slacking?

:unsure:

[Voltaire's Child]

You are not the first person to write something like this.

I think that eventually quite a few people decide they are done with Scn criticism because they would like to move on from that. That's cool.

We have an off topic section here and we can all PM each other here and friend each other on Facebook and this way, you can still chat with those you enjoy about things you really would like to chat about.

[shadow]

We could go over to the Conspiracy theory thread and take the piss out of the eejits over there. Bit like shooting fish in a barrel but still fun in a mindless kind of way.

LSHSOS! Shoot, Now I have to clean coffee off my screen and keyboard!
I guess you caught me off guard with this comment and had me laughing loud enough to wake my spouse who was sleeping upstairs!:hysterical:

Winston, you should just take (s)troll once in a while for fun. Everything changes with time and somethings cycle.

[SuperPowers]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

You have a valid point. I think there is some truth in the phrase "You can take the person out the cult, but you can’t take the cult out of the person" (http://www.elizabethesther.com/2011/01/you-can-take-the-person-out-the-cult-but-you-cant-take-the-cult-out-of-the-person.html)

Today, I resent much, but not all of Scientology. I resent the faked science, the dogma, the cult think, the false pretense etc. But at the time when I got involved (in the seventies) it was doing things for me, I was fascinated and it had some positive impact on me.

I guess life after Scientology is about finding other values and meanings. And to let go of those GRAND GOALS AND GAMES. But to step down from those high horses could be a drag. It's a little like the case of Don Quixote who ends up in a melancholy state (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote) when he is regaining sanity back home again ...

[me myself & i]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

Many of us won't let go of it because we love our family our friends and even complete strangers in such a way that we can't let go of it. Knowing what we know about it.

I for one will never let go of it until I am certain no one else will ever be subjected to such spiritual brutality disguised as spiritual benevolence in my lifetime. Which means I will be forgoing the humor of it in the interest of exposing the insanity of it until I draw my last breath in this world.

To each their own.

[smartone]

Aren't horses the most wonderful creatures on earth. Thank you. Such beauty.


Yes they are. I love especially the Suffolk Punch. Two tons of sheer beauty and muscle. Don't be sad. There's so much to be thankful for. :hug:

[Mick Wenlock]

Yes they are. I love especially the Suffolk Punch. Two tons of sheer beauty and muscle. Don't be sad. There's so much to be thankful for. :hug:

well I am huge fan of Suffolks and love 'em to death - but 2 tons? Suffolks range around 1600 pounds...

[Feral]

Yes they are. I love especially the Suffolk Punch. Two tons of sheer beauty and muscle. Don't be sad. There's so much to be thankful for. :hug:

That's a big horse!!!

[OperatingEnthetan]

Yeah but this place is also good for all the new ppl who are trying to get out of the cult now. The Basics revision and wave brought about a huge wave of new ppl into the cult, like myself. So I have some time to be brought up to speed to where you are. Seeing discussion about how evil the cult is helps us to realize what is going on. And sometimes when it's been normal speak it's fun to talk in a strange language that others understand without being in the cult.

Plus honestly Hubbard came across and popularized quite a few awesome things but I'm trying to figure out which is good and which is trash. And where he plagiarized them from. So this board really helps with that.

What kind of crazy threads have you started? I love the funny cats one btw, my family loved it too! Maybe you should reshare your story so that the newbies know who you are. Who are you?:coolwink:

[smartone]

well I am huge fan of Suffolks and love 'em to death - but 2 tons? Suffolks range around 1600 pounds...

Aw alright then - one ton.

[Winston Smith]

Many of us won't let go of it because we love our family our friends and even complete strangers in such a way that we can't let go of it. Knowing what we know about it.

I for one will never let go of it until I am certain no one else will ever be subjected to such spiritual brutality disguised as spiritual benevolence in my lifetime. Which means I will be forgoing the humor of it in the interest of exposing the insanity of it until I draw my last breath in this world.

To each their own.

Oh yes I understand your passion. It is well founded and I admire it. Those that are still bound in the cult's clutches are a tremendous sorrow for me. I was in 40 years ago, however, and I personally do not know many current Scns. Greg Wilhere was my auditor at FCDC, famous guy now I suppose, and it pains me that he is still deluded. So I know where from you come.

[Winston Smith]

Aw alright then - one ton.

There are a couple of 2000 pound oxen around here--just massive massive creatures. And very smart. Their handler says they know 30 commands. I hope one of them is not "kill."

[Panda Termint]

^^^:lol:^^^

[Winston Smith]

<snip> Maybe you should reshare your story so that the newbies know who you are. Who are you?:coolwink:

As it says under my name, I kind of flunked scientology. I got into it in college in SLC, Utah via a fellow musician who badgered me to death until I did a comm course in 1971. I was all starry eyed and came back home to Arlington, VA and actually went to FCDC to sign up for auditing (how stupid.) It was not long before I found myself on staff trying to find places for pcs to live--"Director" (of what?) of "Technical" (SURE) "Services" (huh?). Well there was a bene...I got to help Virginia Downsborough (wonderful old lady) and Pandora Cooper (hottest chick on the east coast) with their needs while C/Sing. Oh those legs, Pandora, gawd I was in heaven. My memory dulls a bit, but I remember tiring of the org always axing me for money, and I finally stopped payment on the last check. Lorraine Scheffler came after me to no avail. I vividly remember, however, walking away from 2120? S Street for the last time. I saw Mystic on my way out and said hi, never to return.

I am happy to report that the friend who got me into this mess, Monica Pignotti, seems to be doing well. She was a fellow cellist who quit playing though--and if she reads this, hey git yerself a cello and start playing again!!!

One last point, my flunking scientology: The EP of level 0 was as I remember it "the ability to communicate with anyone about anything." I always thought that was impossible, pure bull shit. So I never even attested to it. I never got to all these delusional grand states of clear, "Disfunctional Thetan" I, II, III, IV,V,VI,VII, VIII and whatever other exhalted conditions there may have been in L Ron Hubbard the Turd's machinations.

That said, I dearly loved so many people in Scn, and I cry for their suffering. But as I said, I have moved on--to the dirty old man state I am in, infatuated with every pretty woman out there.

[me myself & i]

Oh yes I understand your passion. It is well founded and I admire it. Those that are still bound in the cult's clutches are a tremendous sorrow for me. I was in 40 years ago, however, and I personally do not know many current Scns. Greg Wilhere was my auditor at FCDC, famous guy now I suppose, and it pains me that he is still deluded. So I know where from you come.

Thanks Winston.

We're on the same page.

Long live new chapters.

[Ladybird]

I'm pretty...pretty old! LOL. You have the heart of an artist Winny. You can cry if you want to because we all should cry when we look at the dark side of the world.

There is still a lot of beauty left: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB7OAgkfTRw

[Operating DB]

I know what you mean Winston. I started reading Jefferson Hawkins book last night and the first chapter is about how he was young and in the late 60's and how everything seemed idealistic and how he got into scio and how fun it all was with great people etc. I started reminiscing on those early innocent and naive years and what a great group of friends I had in scio in the beginning. But looking back it was all a false idealism. Oh well. Move one. What I'm really missing now is the years after I got out of the cult from 1985 into the early 2000's. That's when my life really began and were the best years of my life. It's hard to let go of those good times. I'm struggling to create new good times but having difficulty with that. I feel jaded. Getting old sucks. lol

[anondelmundial]

When I first came aboard, it was such fun to find old friends and joke about Blubbard. Certainly all us ex-FCDCers had fun back then and the thread by that name has been a hoot. I could be completely wrong, but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." It is time to let go. If we hate it so much why are we so fascinated with it? Maybe I have just gone beyond the subject, after all every single one of us was burned in a big way. I really miss the hilarious threads, but maybe it is me not picking up on the funny stuff any longer.

Well, the board has become more serious over time, but that is because it is realistic that Scientology will have a Black Swan event "real soon now". A Black Swan event is something that comes out of nowhere, for which there was no ability to plan for or react to it, and nothing in history that guides to how to handle it.

I think that many exes and critics have a "feeling" that something is going to implode Scientology, so there is "natter" about things that might not mean too much except that the "natter" is subliminal expectation.

Oh, hell! This makes no sense to me either! :whistling:

[OperatingEnthetan]

Well Winston there is nothing with being a dirty old man! Haha! You know it's funny I usually like don't dress up but I went to some event with a skirt and then like the next week one of the staff is bullbaiting me and telling me that they were thinking about me in that skirt. I'm like shit, what happens if I actually try and really dress up and wear that one hot dress or school girl stockings or something. It one just one day of showing off the legzz!:p

As far as bodies, I believe in past lives and I think we take turns, some of you may be older now, but when I was old you were young, etc etc. And there is nothing wrong with dirty old men, I personally think they are great :wink2:

And yes East Coast girls are hot! (I'm from there!)

So care to share your funniest jokes and slanderous sayings? I'm new to this- I love the ones like Flubbard or Hubturd. Can you share your funniest jokes?

Would make me happy!!! :happydance:


As it says under my name, I kind of flunked scientology. I got into it in college in SLC, Utah via a fellow musician who badgered me to death until I did a comm course in 1971. I was all starry eyed and came back home to Arlington, VA and actually went to FCDC to sign up for auditing (how stupid.) It was not long before I found myself on staff trying to find places for pcs to live--"Director" (of what?) of "Technical" (SURE) "Services" (huh?). Well there was a bene...I got to help Virginia Downsborough (wonderful old lady) and Pandora Cooper (hottest chick on the east coast) with their needs while C/Sing. Oh those legs, Pandora, gawd I was in heaven. My memory dulls a bit, but I remember tiring of the org always axing me for money, and I finally stopped payment on the last check. Lorraine Scheffler came after me to no avail. I vividly remember, however, walking away from 2120? S Street for the last time. I saw Mystic on my way out and said hi, never to return.

I am happy to report that the friend who got me into this mess, Monica Pignotti, seems to be doing well. She was a fellow cellist who quit playing though--and if she reads this, hey git yerself a cello and start playing again!!!

One last point, my flunking scientology: The EP of level 0 was as I remember it "the ability to communicate with anyone about anything." I always thought that was impossible, pure bull shit. So I never even attested to it. I never got to all these delusional grand states of clear, "Disfunctional Thetan" I, II, III, IV,V,VI,VII, VIII and whatever other exhalted conditions there may have been in L Ron Hubbard the Turd's machinations.

That said, I dearly loved so many people in Scn, and I cry for their suffering. But as I said, I have moved on--to the dirty old man state I am in, infatuated with every pretty woman out there.

[TG1]

Winnie, if I were younger, I would send you a nude picture. That might cheer you up.

Or I could just send you a near-nude picture of what I used to look. That'll do it!

TG1

[Winston Smith]

Winnie, if I were younger, I would send you a nude picture. That might cheer you up.

Or I could just send you a near-nude picture of what I used to look. That'll do it!

TG1

OMG...uh forget the younger...young chicks are clueless. You have my permission to send au naturel anytime you would like.

[Winston Smith]

Oh my I think the fun is coming back, regardless of the thread title. :happydance: :bighug:

[TG1]

Winnie, check your PMs. Best I can do on short notice.

Anything for a fellow ESMB'er in need!

TG1

[Panda Termint]

Did you check your PM/email?

[Panda Termint]

Winnie, check your PMs. Best I can do on short notice.

Anything for a fellow ESMB'er in need!

TG1
What a gal! :)

[Winston Smith]

Winnie, check your PMs. Best I can do on short notice.

Anything for a fellow ESMB'er in need!

TG1

That was a very nice, (clean) pic of you...it reminds me that we were all young once. But as I refuse to grow up, I am still young. For me it is just plain more fun to laugh than to grovel in the nitty gritty of the dark side of Scn. We have had horrible experiences, and I don't want to make light of those still having them, but sometimes the board needs to lighten up.

[Winston Smith]

Did you check your PM/email?

Yes ma'am and she is/was a cutie.

[Panda Termint]

Agreed on the lighten up thing, "all work and no play... etc".

[TG1]

Aside from the fact that I do deserve the "friendliest girl" prize this afternoon on ESMB, all just to cheer Winnie up, I do think he's made a GREAT point!

We should all lighten the hell up more. We should tell more jokes. Talk about what we cooked for dinner that was great. Tell funny stories on ourselves. Ask for help when we feel blue. And just enjoy our virtual friendships here more.

After all, WWP calls ESMB the "hug box." And we should try to live up to our terrible reputation.

TG1

[LongTimeGone]

That was a very nice, (clean) pic of you...it reminds me that we were all young once. But as I refuse to grow up, I am still young. For me it is just plain more fun to laugh than to grovel in the nitty gritty of the dark side of Scn. We have had horrible experiences, and I don't want to make light of those still having them, but sometimes the board needs to lighten up.

Geez, I have a lot of laughs here but interestingly enough I went through a sad period a little while back as well.

I found I was being "restimmed" a bit from the site and becoming a little sad, lazy and once I even dreamt I was back in the cult. AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!.

Anyway that passed and I am now back enjoying life. I returned to the gym doing old man exercises and feeling strong, healthy and full of life again.

I will always be proud of the fact that I survived the cult and prospered after I left, but I feel a need to keep in touch with those who understand my experiences.

I love this site because of the various purposes for which it was designed. To help those getting out, to help those feeling depressed, to inform those who are thinking of getting involved, to make the truth available to all who are interested, to keep up to date with the steady decline and to help push this disgusting cult over the edge to oblivion.

But I think it's unfair that I didn't get a pic TG1.

LTG

[TG1]

Sorry, LTG -- only one skin shot per day here on ESMB.

Somebody else is going to have to come through for you. :)

TG1

[LongTimeGone]

Sorry, LTG -- only one skin shot per day here on ESMB.

Somebody else is going to have to come through for you. :)

TG1

I understand. :bigcry:

I'll go and give my wife a big hug - She's gorgeous too. :happydance:

LTG

[UmbalumTeapot]

but now I see endless discussion about something we all loathe--"Scientology." ]

Perhaps you should join the Ex-TableTennisPlayers Message Board instead then? I hear they don't talk about this cult too often there. They do,however, tend to wafffle on about table-tennis somewhat though, which I find to be rather off-putting.

[Winston Smith]

Perhaps you should join the Ex-TableTennisPlayers Message Board instead then? I hear they don't talk about this cult too often there. They do,however, tend to wafffle on about table-tennis somewhat though, which I find to be rather off-putting.

Why yes...why didn't I think of that :duh:

[me myself & i]

Oh my I think the fun is coming back, regardless of the thread title. :happydance: :bighug:

Long live laughter. Lol!

Long live Joy.

[Voltaire's Child]

Mojo is a lambie pie.

[me myself & i]

Mojo is a lambie pie.

I resemble that remark.

Lol,

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

Geez, I have a lot of laughs here but interestingly enough I went through a sad period a little while back as well.

I found I was being "restimmed" a bit from the site and becoming a little sad, lazy and once I even dreamt I was back in the cult. AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!.

Anyway that passed and I am now back enjoying life. I returned to the gym doing old man exercises and feeling strong, healthy and full of life again.

I will always be proud of the fact that I survived the cult and prospered after I left, but I feel a need to keep in touch with those who understand my experiences.

I love this site because of the various purposes for which it was designed. To help those getting out, to help those feeling depressed, to inform those who are thinking of getting involved, to make the truth available to all who are interested, to keep up to date with the steady decline and to help push this disgusting cult over the edge to oblivion.

But I think it's unfair that I didn't get a pic TG1.

LTG

:goodposting:

Thank you for writing this.

You have helped me cristalize some of my own thoughts here. ANOTHER blessing freely given by ESMB.:yes: