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Born in Big Blue
26th March 2011, 11:13 PM
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AnonyMary
26th March 2011, 11:36 PM
:omg:, if there was ever a need for protesters, it is for this event!

FoTi
26th March 2011, 11:40 PM
:omg:, if there was ever a need for protesters, it is for this event!

YES!!!

smartone
26th March 2011, 11:53 PM
How come they have Jett Travolta on there :omg:

Born in Big Blue
27th March 2011, 12:01 AM
I plan on bringing a caravan of protesters from San Francisco myself.

Freeminds
27th March 2011, 12:35 AM
This is actually a very subtle insult, but poor Tom hasn't figured it out: he's not getting the Homo Novisitarian Award.

Jachs
27th March 2011, 01:24 AM
"When history looks back," Wiesenthal explained, "I want people to know the Nazis weren’t able to kill millions of people and get away with it." His work stands as a reminder and a warning for future generations.

What utter Hyprocrisy, if Wiesenthal was alive he would be Bitch slapping whomever set this event up and sending TC to a penal colony to rehabilitate his hypnotised delusional state.. what the influence of positive suggestion can do..

Auditor's Toad
27th March 2011, 01:58 AM
Best I knew TC was an actor. He makes movies.

Maybe I have been asleep but what humanitarian has he done?

OK, other than try to kill Hitler in a movie.

What am I missing here?

Born in Big Blue
27th March 2011, 02:20 AM
He's receiving the award for his "Religious Tolerance". He tolerates beatings and forced labor camps....Id say that's damn tolerant.

Born in Big Blue
27th March 2011, 04:39 AM
I wonder if he will be taking Farrakan with him.

Jachs
27th March 2011, 04:59 AM
Good stage for a MASS protest..

degraded being
27th March 2011, 05:26 AM
Good stage for a MASS protest..

Worldwide web and worldwide tweets?

Jachs
27th March 2011, 06:15 AM
Worldwide web and worldwide tweets? You got me there..MOST PROBABALY:D


Did you hear Tom Cruise supports Gaddafi

I heard it somewhere, not saying its true, but Should we call the FBI and alert them like a Paranoid Cult leader or his groupies would.



if any Syrians want to find Protest Tom Cruise affiliation with Gaddafi go to the event above.


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The Great Zorg
27th March 2011, 06:52 AM
This is all going to be interesting as it rolls out. :yes:

How could the Wiesenthal Center honour a man who is best friends with a psuedo Nazi and who adheres to a paramilitaristic mind bending cult whose founder, if I'm not mistaken, has taken jabs at African Americans and other races and religions,, especially Christianity? :confused2:

I mean Jesus Christ, hubbard said he was Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ (and Judaism?) were nothing more than electronic implants into the souls of trillion year old spirits he called satans, er, I mean 'thetans'. WTF? :confused2:

This is the silliest nonsense I have heard of in a long time. Time for a major letter writing campaign me thinks. Why wait for the event date to protest? A massive protest is still a good idea if Tom is still "honoured" THOUANDS of Anons, all with signs and reminders of the Reich of the past. :confused2:

Jachs
27th March 2011, 07:10 AM
Simon Wiesenthal Center Website (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=6212365)

Any Questions or Comments CONTACT Simon Wiesenthal Center (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=dvKSJ5MTJqJTI3POKkIVI3PTKpK7LgMWLqJ3IjM1LsL9IsK )



The Museum of Tolerance congratulates Dr. Maya Angelou, Congressman John Lewis and Sylvia Mendez for receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom in a ceremony at the White House.

These three great Americans have honored the Museum with contributions to our impactful exhibits: Dr. Angelou with Finding Our Families, Finding Ourselves;

Congressman Lewis with Ain’t You Gotta Right?;

and Ms. Mendez with Para Todos Los Niños: For All the Children, the story of her and her family’s 1946 challenge to school segregation in the Southern California city of Westminster and how it cleared the path to the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Brown v. Board of Education ruling.


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AnonyMary
27th March 2011, 07:43 AM
Simon Wiesenthal Center Website (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=6212365)

Any Questions or Comments CONTACT Simon Wiesenthal Center (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=dvKSJ5MTJqJTI3POKkIVI3PTKpK7LgMWLqJ3IjM1LsL9IsK )



The Museum of Tolerance congratulates Dr. Maya Angelou, Congressman John Lewis and Sylvia Mendez for receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom in a ceremony at the White House.

These three great Americans have honored the Museum with contributions to our impactful exhibits: Dr. Angelou with Finding Our Families, Finding Ourselves;

Congressman Lewis with Ain’t You Gotta Right?;

and Ms. Mendez with Para Todos Los Niños: For All the Children, the story of her and her family’s 1946 challenge to school segregation in the Southern California city of Westminster and how it cleared the path to the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark Brown v. Board of Education ruling.


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I could not find a thing about this 2011 event on their site but a google search of it produced 1) a suspicious to me link and 2) a page about it on http://masterplanneronline.com :

http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559
Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90035
www.wiesenthal.com

Event History
Thursday, May 05, 2011
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Annual National Tribute Dinner. 6:00 pm. Business attire. Invitation only. Honoring Tom Cruise. Beverly Wilshire Four Seasons Hotel. Beverly Hills. Contact: Janice Prager. (310) 772-2426. Event address: 9500 Wilshire Blvd., Beverly Hills. Event web address: www.wiesenthal.com.

Honorees
2011 Tom Cruise
2010 Brian Grazer | Ron Howard
2009 Linda Bernstein Rubin
2008 Daniel R. Tishman
2007 Bobby Flay | William C. Rudin
2006 Councilman Tom LaBonge
2004 Brooke Adams
2003 Blondie
2002 Jeanne Silkworth
2001 Michael Gesas | Kofi A. Annan
2000 Gene Bernstein
1999 Jeffrey Seller
http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Veda
27th March 2011, 08:16 AM
"And I thought what a beautiful thing, because maybe, one day, it won't be like that. You know what I'm saying? Maybe one day it will be, wow SPs, like they'll just read about them in the history books." (4:21 - 4:53) Tom Cruise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

Jachs
27th March 2011, 08:29 AM
I could not find a thing about this 2011 event on their site but a google search of it produced 1) a suspicious to me link and 2) a page about it on http://masterplanneronline.com :

http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559
Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90035
www.wiesenthal.com

Event History
Thursday, May 05, 2011
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Annual National Tribute Dinner. 6:00 pm. Business attire. Invitation only. Honoring Tom Cruise. Beverly Wilshire Four Seasons Hotel. Beverly Hills. Contact: Janice Prager. (310) 772-2426. Event address: 9500 Wilshire Blvd., Beverly Hills. Event web address: www.wiesenthal.com.

Honorees
2011 Tom Cruise
2010 Brian Grazer | Ron Howard
2009 Linda Bernstein Rubin
2008 Daniel R. Tishman
2007 Bobby Flay | William C. Rudin
2006 Councilman Tom LaBonge
2004 Brooke Adams
2003 Blondie
2002 Jeanne Silkworth
2001 Michael Gesas | Kofi A. Annan
2000 Gene Bernstein
1999 Jeffrey Seller
http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Thanks for the heads up Mary.


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MostlyLurker
27th March 2011, 09:04 AM
Simon Wiesenthal Center Website (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=6212365)

Any Questions or Comments CONTACT Simon Wiesenthal Center (http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=dvKSJ5MTJqJTI3POKkIVI3PTKpK7LgMWLqJ3IjM1LsL9IsK )

[...]

Thanks for the link,
I wrote them.



Re: Tom Cruise 2011 Humanitarian Award

I am an ex-scientologist, I left the Church in xxxx after xx years of membership. I entered as a kid, had almost no schooling, worked an average of 95 hours a week for 25/50$ a week. Because I left I had my family torn apart and have been harassed by the Church, its shunning policies.

The church of Scientology itself is a military organization ruled by a violent dictator, David Miscavige.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1012148.ece

I suffered too much violence in Scientology.

Tom Cruise is a supporter of Scientology. Tom not only condones the human rights abuses and crimes committed in the Church, but actually promotes the Church.

Simon Wiesenthal would turn in his grave should he knew you are going to award a man that, with his actions, promotes a church that destroyed or exploited thousand of lives.

(my name)


Other links that may be of interest:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/03/daniel_montalvo_1.php

Ex-scientologist forum, where ex-scientologists share their experiences:
http://www.forum.exscn.net

AnonyMary
27th March 2011, 09:06 AM
Thanks for the link,
I wrote them.
:thumbsup:

Realitywilltell
27th March 2011, 09:22 AM
I wonder if he will be taking Farrakan with him.

If not considering the way the Simon Wiesenthal Center seems to be going Farrakhan may be next year's winner:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/tannerin1/OddScnnuts/LF_SWha_v1.jpg

Born in Big Blue
27th March 2011, 09:31 AM
Good point.

Jachs
27th March 2011, 10:05 AM
Lets hope not..that would be a off the rails miscavige into the oblivion

.:D

Mystic
27th March 2011, 10:43 AM
Mapother.

Stooge
Implanter
Scientologist
Implantee
Tulpa follower

Royal Prince Xenu
27th March 2011, 04:09 PM
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BC1
27th March 2011, 06:51 PM
Didn't Hubbard say in some lecture that the Holocaust didn't happen or some such crap? This place might be interested in the quote.

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 07:36 PM
So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.

MostlyLurker
27th March 2011, 07:43 PM
So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.

What's wrong with you TO?

Is not our fault if they choose a brainwashed abusive-cult member as a model.

A protest is not going to penalize anyone. On the contrary, they will see the banners, go home and do their homework. We are giving them the opportunity to learn something new.

:happydance:

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 07:52 PM
Yes, it angers me that Tom Cruise is being honored for religious tolerance when he supports a religion that is clearly intolerant of any other religion.

Yes, he is a complete self centered me me me hypocrite.

But he is one person there. There are hundreds of people there that have worked to make a huge difference in this world in the lives of other people.

I would never ruin this event for them because of Tom Cruise's madness. They do not deserve to be punished for what he is and has done, and for what we have been and are because of it.

That is flat out injustice.

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 07:58 PM
What's wrong with you TO?

Is not our fault if they choose a brainwashed abusive-cult member as a model.

A protest is not going to penalize anyone. On the contrary, they will see the banners, go home and do their homework. We are giving them the opportunity to learn something new.

:happydance:

Maybe you should do some research on this organization before you decide they should be harmed attacked and suppressed. It seems your only research is that Tom Cruise will be there. That is pretty narrow minded, frankly.

Because of the nature of this group and the mission, you will only be regarded as Nazi supporters if you do show up there. Duh.....

Mystic
27th March 2011, 08:37 PM
So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.

Spam. Ignore.

Auditor's Toad
27th March 2011, 08:51 PM
So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.

I never realized how severely misguidedly some people could think.

TC is in and supports a cult that currently breaks actively up families & marriages, forces abortion, has slave work hours for $50 week - and a string of crimes by OSA, PIs, et, etc etc, etc.

And you see holding up a protest sign in a legal protest against that....as what?

Your preference is for the cult to wreck havoc on humanity while you would like to take away the right of free speech from anyone who dare oppose?

Please tell me your post was done as a sick joke or that someone is holding you under extreme duress and forcing you to do such things.

Mystic
27th March 2011, 08:55 PM
Maybe you should do some research on this organization before you decide they should be harmed attacked and suppressed. It seems your only research is that Tom Cruise will be there. That is pretty narrow minded, frankly.

Because of the nature of this group and the mission, you will only be regarded as Nazi supporters if you do show up there. Duh.....

Organization? Part of the Kosher Nostra?

Auditor's Toad
27th March 2011, 09:01 PM
Maybe you should do some research on this organization before you decide they should be harmed attacked and suppressed. It seems your only research is that Tom Cruise will be there. That is pretty narrow minded, frankly.

Because of the nature of this group and the mission, you will only be regarded as Nazi supporters if you do show up there. Duh.....


The definition of deep bullshit just got redefined.

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 09:01 PM
Right.

Bobby Flay must pay.

I am not spam.

Spam is when you have to spread yourself and your message everywhere whether your message matters or not to the people you dumped on.

T.O.

Mystic
27th March 2011, 09:06 PM
Right.

Bobby Flay must pay.

I am not spam.

Spam is when you have to spread yourself and your message everywhere whether your message matters or not to the people you dumped on.

T.O.

Spam.

MostlyLurker
27th March 2011, 09:08 PM
Maybe you should do some research on this organization before you decide they should be harmed attacked and suppressed. It seems your only research is that Tom Cruise will be there. That is pretty narrow minded, frankly.

Because of the nature of this group and the mission, you will only be regarded as Nazi supporters if you do show up there. Duh.....

I'm full of admiration for the Simon Wiesenthal Organizations, however it is not the Simon Wiesenthal Center we will protest, but the criminal supporter Tom Cruise.

Wiesenthal organization made a wrong choice by assigning an award to a criminal and cult supporter.

The protest will make sure they became aware of that wrong choice, so they may be more careful in the years to come about who they choose to award.

Auditor's Toad
27th March 2011, 09:23 PM
I'm full of admiration for the Simon Wiesenthal Organizations, however it is not the Simon Wiesenthal Center we will protest, but the criminal supporter Tom Cruise.

Wiesenthal organization made a wrong choice by assigning an award to a criminal and cult supporter.

The protest will make sure they became aware of that wrong choice, so they may be more careful in the years to come about who they choose to award.

Yep. The only people who don't get that is people who do not want to get that as , apparently, it does not fit their agenda.

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 09:31 PM
Perhaps the great commander Napolean Bonapart would be of help in your battleplans and war strategies:

"See how injustice and bad faith ever recoil upon those who are guilty of them.."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TOaLVnKCzPQJ:www.napoleon-series.org/research/napoleon/speech

The Oracle
27th March 2011, 09:33 PM
I'm full of admiration for the Simon Wiesenthal Organizations, however it is not the Simon Wiesenthal Center we will protest, but the criminal supporter Tom Cruise.

Wiesenthal organization made a wrong choice by assigning an award to a criminal and cult supporter.

The protest will make sure they became aware of that wrong choice, so they may be more careful in the years to come about who they choose to award.

Hope it works out for the benefit of all.

Good luck.

T.O.

FinallyFree
27th March 2011, 11:14 PM
Um, YEAH.

Get the TRUTH out, protest where you must to get HEARD. Any one who CARES about the validity of the award they are handing out will WANT to know what tom cruise truly stands for: free slave labor for personal gain.

*uck I HATE :angry: spam.

WHERE'S ZINJ?????

PTSPal
27th March 2011, 11:30 PM
I don't understand...What is TC being given an award for? Has he been involved in a humanitarian effort? Is this group giving him an award just for being involved with the CO$? I was under the impression that this group was not involved in Scientology. If they are we need to protest the Simon Wiesenthal Center. This in critical for their credibility. If the Simon Wiesenthal center has been pulled into this scam in desperately needs to be protested. This needs to get to the press. This IS important?

The Great Zorg
27th March 2011, 11:53 PM
I had to reread this twice to believe what is being said by "Oracle".


So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.
:lol: Well, DUH! Somebody has to. It is a worthy cause: everyone's awareness of the mountain of lies and deceit and treachery perpetrated by the (so called) <church> of scientology.


No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed.".
How would the attendees crossing the protest line have their $1,500 meal fucked up? they are used to the better things in life. People like this are almost immune to the rabble of "useless eaters". Nonetheless, a seed will be planted. That will be one of the results of all of these good people protesting a vicious cult and trying to warn the world.


And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?
Absolutely. It is a good use of time. Anyone who believes that scientology is just and ethical only needs to spend one hour on the internet.


Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?Our misery? Our misery ended the day we all walked out of the "church" of scientology. Scientology has sought to continue their dosing of misery by illegal and unethical use of the courts and by criminal activities involving harassment, theft, stalking, rumor mongering, libel, slander, property damage and in some cases it is rumored, murder.
We are doing these attendees a favor by pointing out who exactly the "Fourth Reich" is.


You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.A protest is not on the same level as slander, libel, harassment, perjury, assault, theft, destruction of private property, destruction of government documents, conspiracy, malfeasance, vexatious litigation, criminal negligence (Lisa M, R.I.P.), on and on and on.... These activities of the "church" of scientology, in your estimation, are the equivalent of a peaceful protest, one in which cake will be handed out at, music played, dancing and the altruistic hope that someone will listen and help stop the atrocities of scientology, reigned down cruelly on the good people of earth by the hands and orders of only a few psychotics? :confused2:

The "Church" of Scientology: A cult whose members are without rights under L. Ron Hubbard’s megalomaniacal totalitarian system, now operated and managed in the same manner by David Miscavige.

The "Church" of Scientology: The Fourth Reich.

Alanzo
27th March 2011, 11:55 PM
So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.

Tom Cruise does not deserve this award.

He is hiding the intolerance and cruelty that his own church is inflicting upon others. Forced abortions, workplace violence, false imprisonment, kidnappings, indentured servitude, human trafficking - these are not the kinds of things that humanitarians stand for, protect and try to promote.

Tom Cruise is a knowing, willing mascot for a mind-bending cult.

The very credibility of the Simon Wiesenthal center is at stake.

Really - if there was EVER a reason to protest something - THIS WOULD BE IT.

The Great Zorg
27th March 2011, 11:57 PM
I don't understand...What is TC being given an award for? Has he been involved in a humanitarian effort? Is this group giving him an award just for being involved with the CO$? I was under the impression that this group was not involved in Scientology. If they are we need to protest the Simon Wiesenthal Center. This in critical for their credibility. If the Simon Wiesenthal center has been pulled into this scam in desperately needs to be protested. This needs to get to the press. This IS important?

He is prolly being "awarded" for contributing a huge amount of money to the center OR being able to draw a huge crowd, at $1,500 a pop, to the event. Thank God Adolph Hitler is still not alive today, the center might have awarded him a different award and made billions on the plate fee for the event! :confused2:

Auditor's Toad
27th March 2011, 11:58 PM
I had to reread this twice to believe what is being said by "Oracle".


:lol: Well, DUH! Somebody has to. It is a worthy cause: everyone's awareness of the mountain of lies and deceit and treachery perpetrated by the (so called) <church> of scientology.


How would the attendees crossing the protest line have their $1,500 meal fucked up? they are used to the better things in life. People like this are almost immune to the rabble of "useless eaters". Nonetheless, a seed will be planted. That will be one of the results of all of these good people protesting a vicious cult and trying to warn the world.


Absolutely. It is a good use of time. Anyone who believes that scientology is just and ethical only needs to spend one hour on the internet.

Our misery? Our misery ended the day we all walked out of the "church" of scientology. Scientology has sought to continue their dosing of misery by illegal and unethical use of the courts and by criminal activities involving harassment, theft, stalking, rumor mongering, libel, slander, property damage and in some cases it is rumored, murder.
We are doing these attendees a favor by pointing out who exactly the "Fourth Reich" is.

A protest is not on the same level as slander, libel, harassment, perjury, assault, theft, destruction of private property, destruction of government documents, conspiracy, malfeasance, vexatious litigation, criminal negligence (Lisa M, R.I.P.), on and on and on.... These activities of the "church" of scientology, in your estimation, are the equivalent of a peaceful protest, one in which cake will be handed out at, music played, dancing and the altruistic hope that someone will listen and help stop the atrocities of scientology, reigned down cruelly on the good people of earth by the hands and orders of only a few psychotics? :confused2:

The "Church" of Scientology: A cult whose members are without rights under L. Ron Hubbard’s megalomaniacal totalitarian system, now operated and managed in the same manner by David Miscavige.

The "Church" of Scientology: The Fourth Reich.

Well said !

The Great Zorg
27th March 2011, 11:59 PM
Tom Cruise does not deserve this award.
He is hiding the intolerance and cruelty that his own church is inflicting upon others. Forced abortions, workplace violence, false imprisonment, kidnappings, indentured servitude, human trafficking - these are not the kinds of things that humanitarians stand for, protect and try to promote.
Tom Cruise is a knowing, wiling mascot for a mind-bending cult.
The very credibility of the Simon Wiesenthal center is at stake.
Really - if there was EVER a reason to protest something - THIS WOULD BE IT.

Well said! :yes: :thumbsup:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 12:03 AM
Yes, it angers me that Tom Cruise is being honored for religious tolerance when he supports a religion that is clearly intolerant of any other religion.

Yes, he is a complete self centered me me me hypocrite.

But he is one person there. There are hundreds of people there that have worked to make a huge difference in this world in the lives of other people.

I would never ruin this event for them because of Tom Cruise's madness. They do not deserve to be punished for what he is and has done, and for what we have been and are because of it.

That is flat out injustice.

The hundreds of others are there because of injustice and intolerance, they should know what the cult does right in their back yard.


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The Oracle
28th March 2011, 12:38 AM
Tom Cruise does not deserve this award.

He is hiding the intolerance and cruelty that his own church is inflicting upon others. Forced abortions, workplace violence, false imprisonment, kidnappings, indentured servitude, human trafficking - these are not the kinds of things that humanitarians stand for, protect and try to promote.

Tom Cruise is a knowing, willing mascot for a mind-bending cult.

The very credibility of the Simon Wiesenthal center is at stake.

Really - if there was EVER a reason to protest something - THIS WOULD BE IT.

Great news! I am glad to know you will be attending the protest then! I am sure you would not want to miss out on this one time ever most important moment in time opportunity / reason to protest. Because "if EVER there was a reason to protest something - THIS WOULD BE IT." Send photos! T.O.

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 12:44 AM
Great news! I am glad to know you will be attending the protest then! I am sure you would not want to miss out on this one time ever most important moment in time opportunity / reason to protest. Because "if EVER there was a reason to protest something - THIS WOULD BE IT." Send photos! T.O.

Is it just me or has anyone else about had it with The Osacle here? :grouch:

Lohan2008
28th March 2011, 12:58 AM
I feel a letter writting campaign coming on ! :angry:

Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90035

Contact us:

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=btIOKZMLKoJPLXMGLiIRKXOLLmL2KaOOLoKZKdPTIqK5KmK

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 01:02 AM
I feel a letter writting campaign coming on ! :angry:

Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90035

That is a bright idea and a very good one. I will be more than happy to send a letter myself.

T.O.

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 01:04 AM
Is it just me or has anyone else about had it with The Osacle here? :grouch:

You can't tolerate someone with an opposing view?

Sounds like you could use some help in the tolerance department?

I'm just protesting .

T.O.

PTSPal
28th March 2011, 01:04 AM
I agree...This is the correct first step...I'm in. Thank you for the information. :thumbsup:

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 01:14 AM
1. Alanzo I expect to see you there after your declaration .

2. Try to know what is going on, not just in your battleplans, but in the world and for the people around you. Just because they were not in Scientology don't think they don't matter. That is very cultish. They DO matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzPA-FrVu3I

T.O.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 01:15 AM
Is it just me or has anyone else about had it with The Osacle here? :grouch:

He said Osacle :hysterical:

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 01:16 AM
You can't tolerate someone with an opposing view?

Sounds like you could use some help in the tolerance department?

I'm just protesting .

T.O.

An opposing view is one thing. Your relentless attempts to derail the protest, complete with criticisms and insults and then to try and water it down to a "letter writing" campaign on this particular message board should obviously indicate that you belong more on A.R.S. or something rather than here. :confused2:

Your comments are misleading lies, IMO. Also, IMO, you are a typical scientology covert operative type, even if you are not one in the "real" (non-internet) world.

Besides, "tolerance" is just "unexpressed disapproval", the silent, uneffective type that your church and "religion" so desperately needs whilst you turn around and do the very same thing. :yes:

IMO, Scientology IS the Forth Reich.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 01:18 AM
http://outfitnm.com/wp-content/uploads/v-for-vendetta-guy-fawkes-masks-big.jpg http://outfitnm.com/wp-content/uploads/v-for-vendetta-guy-fawkes-masks-big.jpg

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 01:20 AM
He said Osacle :hysterical:

I was wondering if anyone would catch that. :confused2:

Kudos to you Mystic! :thumbsup:

I originally spelled it as OSAcle, because I thought by using lowercase it might cause the reader to overlook the single change of consonants. Then I figured, aw WTF, I'll try it. :yes: :wink2:

Mystic wins today's fabulous prize! :yes: :thumbsup:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 01:21 AM
1. Alanzo I expect to see you there after your declaration .

2. Try to know what is going on, not just in your battleplans, but in the world and for the people around you. Just because they were not in Scientology don't think they don't matter. That is very cultish. They DO matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzPA-FrVu3I

T.O.

Thanks for your suggestion Oracle, im sure we can boom out Marvin Gaye at the protest, whats going on ..

Mystic
28th March 2011, 01:29 AM
I feel a letter writting campaign coming on ! :angry:

Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor
Los Angeles, CA 90035

Contact us:

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=btIOKZMLKoJPLXMGLiIRKXOLLmL2KaOOLoKZKdPTIqK5KmK

^^^ This

And this thread has definitely has become lulz.

(Anyone got a link to a Simon Wiesenthal thread at WWP?)

Mystic
28th March 2011, 02:14 AM
WWP thread:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/simon-weisenthal-center-museum-of-tolerance-honoring-tom-cruise.78301/

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 02:16 AM
An opposing view is one thing. Your relentless attempts to derail the protest, complete with criticisms and insults and then to try and water it down to a "letter writing" campaign on this particular message board should obviously indicate that you belong more on A.R.S. or something rather than here. :confused2:

Your comments are misleading lies, IMO. Also, IMO, you are a typical scientology covert operative type, even if you are not one in the "real" (non-internet) world.

Besides, "tolerance" is just "unexpressed disapproval", the silent, uneffective type that your church and "religion" so desperately needs whilst you turn around and do the very same thing. :yes:

IMO, Scientology IS the Forth Reich.

I did not issue the idea of the letter writing campaign. That is obvious for anyone that can read.

It is you discussing derailing a charity event. I pointed out the damage I would not agree with.

I am amused at all the other accusations and what you see, when you think of me, and what you suspect and redefine. I ask you to be considerate of others and you describe me as a virus with covert intentions.

I trust due to your impassioned thoughts on this mission you will be there at the protest and be very overt with your matters and persona.

T.O.

Jachs
28th March 2011, 02:28 AM
I did not issue the idea of the letter writing campaign. That is obvious for anyone that can read.

It is you discussing derailing a charity event. I pointed out the damage I would not agree with.

I am amused at all the other accusations and what you see, when you think of me, and what you suspect and redefine. I ask you to be considerate of others and you describe me as a virus with covert intentions.

I trust due to your impassioned thoughts on this mission you will be there at the protest and be very overt with your matters and persona.

T.O.

It has been noted you dont agree by many,you are entitled to your say like all here. People protest its a Right. Why dont you protest the protesters down there.

anonorgism will be there.


http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdXpL3uiZM6yejVUBrEp3APhjUPT6mP 5NhAuS1gGv-z3OgWW3j&t=1

.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 02:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Tu61byD-s&feature=player_embedded#at=43

Alanzo
28th March 2011, 02:37 AM
I did not issue the idea of the letter writing campaign. That is obvious for anyone that can read.

It is you discussing derailing a charity event. I pointed out the damage I would not agree with.

I am amused at all the other accusations and what you see, when you think of me, and what you suspect and redefine. I ask you to be considerate of others and you describe me as a virus with covert intentions.

I trust due to your impassioned thoughts on this mission you will be there at the protest and be very overt with your matters and persona.

T.O.

I think it's great that you are doing call-in for this event, TO.

With your help, I think we can get this event promoted worldwide and get one of the biggest turnouts for any protest ever.

Because you see, Tom Cruise is extremely out-ethics. He needs to clean up the Church of Scientology before he starts pointing fingers at everyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C-wupe76E&feature=player_embedded

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 02:42 AM
^^^ This

And this thread has definitely has become lulz.

(Anyone got a link to a Simon Wiesenthal thread at WWP?)

Link to the event: http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Link to WWP post:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/simon-weisenthal-center-museum-of-tolerance-honoring-tom-cruise.78301/

DOX image of the event;
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/TC1-1.jpg

Cool link regarding hubbard's racism (and so, every scientologist's programmed racism, whether they were racist to begin with or not):
http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/deny.htm

The SWC Contact Us link:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=niJQLVOEK8JIJ2NJL9IIKZNIInJVJ5PPImKYKaMRJsJ7F

German Chanology link (auf Deutsch):
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/german-deutsche-chanology-nachrichten-27-m%C3%A4rz-2011.78421/#post-1459620

NonScio
28th March 2011, 02:43 AM
El Ron, I think, said something at one time or another to the effect;
"You become what you resist". True or not, The Simon Wiesenthal Center
seems to affirm the veracity of the old adage. The Simon Wiesnethal
Center, by awarding whatever award they are awarding for whatever
deed done by Cruise, gives its stamp of approval to the Neo Nazi
cult of which Cruise is such a visible spokesman.

myrklix
28th March 2011, 03:04 AM
TGZ - Thanks for all the links. However, I did a search online and checked the SWC and Museum of Tolerance sites and was not able to find out anything about this event. Yes, I saw the photobucket link with the scan of the invitation but it just seems a bit odd that there is absolutely no publicity (besides here and WWP) about an event just 6 weeks out.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 03:04 AM
Link to the event: http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Link to WWP post:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/simon-weisenthal-center-museum-of-tolerance-honoring-tom-cruise.78301/

DOX image of the event;
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/TC1-1.jpg

Cool link regarding hubbard's racism (and so, every scientologist's programmed racism, whether they were racist to begin with or not):
http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/deny.htm

The SWC Contact Us link:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=niJQLVOEK8JIJ2NJL9IIKZNIInJVJ5PPImKYKaMRJsJ7F

German Chanology link (auf Deutsch):
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/german-deutsche-chanology-nachrichten-27-m%C3%A4rz-2011.78421/#post-1459620

MeGawhds, look at all those great links.

Muy well done.

In any war I want this Zorggie guy on my side.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 03:08 AM
I wonder if the Rothschild-for-God Committee of the New World Order is viewing this thread.

Jachs
28th March 2011, 03:11 AM
TGZ - Thanks for all the links. However, I did a search online and checked the SWC and Museum of Tolerance sites and was not able to find out anything about this event. Yes, I saw the photobucket link with the scan of the invitation but it just seems a bit odd that there is absolutely no publicity (besides here and WWP) about an event just 6 weeks out.

Is Odd but the fact that an annual award is given and no confirmation. tends to lean towards smoke and then fire.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 03:15 AM
This is a cult activity (scientology isn't the only cult), they don't need high-profile public commerciality.

myrklix
28th March 2011, 03:23 AM
I beg you pardon Mystic but just what other cult are you insinuating?

Jachs
28th March 2011, 03:24 AM
This is a cult activity (scientology isn't the only cult), they don't need high-profile public commerciality.

Dont need it but Salivate over its Coolaid Cutie Celebrities..

.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 03:50 AM
I beg you pardon Mystic but just what other cult are you insinuating?

Yeah, that cult. You guessed right.

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 03:53 AM
I wonder if the Rothschild-for-God Committee of the New World Order is viewing this thread.

Your anti semetic comments with "Kosher" and "Rothschild" and "Cult" have frankly disgusted me out of this communication erena.

T.O.

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 03:56 AM
Your anti semetic comments with "Kosher" and "Rothschild" and "Cult" have frankly disgusted me out of this communication erena.

T.O.

Don't forget to write. No, on second thought, don't. :no:

...and it's "arena", not erena (Freudian slip? "errorena"?).

Mystic
28th March 2011, 04:11 AM
Your anti semetic comments with "Kosher" and "Rothschild" and "Cult" have frankly disgusted me out of this communication erena.

T.O.

Oh cool! Finally, something came up with this trite, over-used argument, an Osacle at that.

I'm not anti-Semitic at all. I can, however, see through the machination twists.

Alanzo
28th March 2011, 04:25 AM
I spend time on Marty's blog and after one post - or maybe two - that get through, I get completely trashed there. Then my posts don't get through at all any more and they just keep on trashing me.

I sometimes get calls from friends laughing at me and how badly I got burned on Marty's blog. "Put the reefer down (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/briefing-from-the-shack/)" as a comment from Marty when I was doing my best to be polite but still slip in what I thought were important viewpoints to consider, comes to mind.

I believe that The Oracle is just as earnestly committed to her views as anyone else here. I admire her tenacity and her clear sense of justice. She is committed to principles that she believes are helpful to us all - just as we all are.

She adds much value to the place, and presents another aspect of the truth which we may be missing sometimes - in my opinion.

I was happy to see her posting here when I came back.

I like her.

And I hope she keeps posting here on ESMB.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 04:37 AM
Darn, Alanzo, that link goes to a site my mouse has blocked.

AnonyMary
28th March 2011, 04:43 AM
I spend time on Marty's blog and after one post - or maybe two - that get through, I get completely trashed there. Then my posts don't get through at all any more and they just keep on trashing me.

I sometimes get calls from friends laughing at me and how badly I got burned on Marty's blog. "Put the reefer down (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/briefing-from-the-shack/)" as a comment from Marty when I was doing my best to be polite but still slip in what I thought were important viewpoints to consider, comes to mind.

I believe that The Oracle is just as earnestly committed to her views as anyone else here. I admire her tenacity and her clear sense of justice. She is committed to principles that she believes are helpful to us all - just as we all are.

She adds much value to the place, and presents another aspect of the truth which we may be missing sometimes - in my opinion.

I was happy to see her posting here when I came back.

I like her.

And I hope she keeps posting here on ESMB.

There is no comparison, Alonzo :whistling:

Can we get this thread back on topic everyone? Thanks.

Alanzo
28th March 2011, 04:46 AM
Oh well.

I hope that Tom Cruise has a cognition regarding ethics over the next few weeks that raises his perception of his own environment.

cayce-case-um
28th March 2011, 04:50 AM
This makes me very sad.

It also stuns me since CoS has hijacked the Holocaust for its own purposes to claim that Nazi psychiatrists were the architects of the Holocaust and that therefore all psychiatry is guilty (A=A=A thinking, anyone?).

I wish I could follow the money. I wouldn't be surprised if CoS had made some huge contribution to the SW Center.

I also wish that the SW Center knew and would face things like CoS claims that:
-- Jesus was a pedophile
-- Jesus, god, etc. are all implants someone discovered around 600 BC (part of R6 some madman chanced on)
-- That Hubbard was in heaven twice and found it in ruins the second time
-- That there is no "Big Thetan" in the sky

CoS is only superficially tolerant of other religions. It uses that public face to shield itself, not others. Its own beliefs are that everyone who is not a Scn is a wog, that other major religions are just implants, and so on.

Up there with Islam and the Westboro Baptist Church, I'd say CoS is about the least tolerant group of other religions. And at least Islam and WBC are honest about what they believe!

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 05:09 AM
Oh cool! Finally, something came up with this trite, over-used argument, an Osacle at that.

I'm not anti-Semitic at all. I can, however, see through the machination twists.

It is not a matter of whether or not I "like" Osacle", I just do not trust him, or her. Osacle just reminds me of the one way road into mind bending that talking to scientologist usually feels like. :confused2:

I also do not trust anyone that does not have a clam-negative or clam neutral sig. Although it is theoretically possible than an operative or renegade clam could post a negative sig, members here who post many links to many different resources about cults and scientology are typically ones that I have a high trust level with. That's MY "S.O.P." But that's me. :confused2:

By the by, whilst me noggin is in overdrive tonight,... this entire SWC Event is based on two DOX, both internet interlaced: the first by Born In Big Blue which are 4 pics of an invitation, and not complete at that and one link to some "MasterPlanner" web service that states the time and date to back up the first entry, who's link to the event source is just the SWC main page, containing NO event news. Nor does MP's FUTURE events show any info at all. No WSC "Event" can be found at their WSC's website. Even in the 2011 News Releases at their website. Nor is there any info from there other sites. There's no event shown for the Beverly Wilshire Hotel from their website. :confused2:

Even so, the main thread over at WWP (laughing about this) just refers back to us here at ESMB and THIS very thread. They have there own long thread going, again on what Born In Big Blue hast stated. :unsure:

I guess some dox or info should be forthcoming in the next few days from all the emails that were sent to the SWC. Also, someone, maybe someone ANONYMOUS can prolly call the SWC and the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and do some digging. Other than that this whole award ceremony/dinner is UNDOCUMENTED. Of course if it turns out to be bogus, then we'll all look a little foolish and mouth frothy.

Just sayin'.

AnonyMary
28th March 2011, 05:38 AM
"Osacle" is a woman, lol

PTSPal
28th March 2011, 06:31 AM
I so hope this is a joke.

Honoring TC as a "Humanitarian" is a sick sick joke. I can't imagine this in the non-scio world :no:

Lohan2008
28th March 2011, 06:33 AM
BUMP! ... :mudkip:

I feel a letter writting campaign coming on !

Simon Wiesenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive,
Los Angeles, CA 90035 U.S.A.

Jachs
28th March 2011, 06:47 AM
It is not a matter of whether or not I "like" Osacle", I just do not trust him, or her. Osacle just reminds me of the one way road into mind bending that talking to scientologist usually feels like. :confused2:

I also do not trust anyone that does not have a clam-negative or clam neutral sig. Although it is theoretically possible than an operative or renegade clam could post a negative sig, members here who post many links to many different resources about cults and scientology are typically ones that I have a high trust level with. That's MY "S.O.P." But that's me. :confused2:

By the by, whilst me noggin is in overdrive tonight,... this entire SWC Event is based on two DOX, both internet interlaced: the first by Born In Big Blue which are 4 pics of an invitation, and not complete at that and one link to some "MasterPlanner" web service that states the time and date to back up the first entry, who's link to the event source is just the SWC main page, containing NO event news. Nor does MP's FUTURE events show any info at all. No WSC "Event" can be found at their WSC's website. Even in the 2011 News Releases at their website. Nor is there any info from there other sites. There's no event shown for the Beverly Wilshire Hotel from their website. :confused2:

Even so, the main thread over at WWP (laughing about this) just refers back to us here at ESMB and THIS very thread. They have there own long thread going, again on what Born In Big Blue hast stated. :unsure:

I guess some dox or info should be forthcoming in the next few days from all the emails that were sent to the SWC. Also, someone, maybe someone ANONYMOUS can prolly call the SWC and the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and do some digging. Other than that this whole award ceremony/dinner is UNDOCUMENTED. Of course if it turns out to be bogus, then we'll all look a little foolish and mouth frothy.

Just sayin'.

Quite true Zorg.. we need da dox.. We have a bit of a Chaos in action here.

We need an ex intelligence agent caller.

Maybe we could call Howard Stern get it on the air waves..


.

The Oracle
28th March 2011, 06:48 AM
It is not a matter of whether or not I "like" Osacle", I just do not trust him, or her. Osacle just reminds me of the one way road into mind bending that talking to scientologist usually feels like. :confused2:

I also do not trust anyone that does not have a clam-negative or clam neutral sig. Although it is theoretically possible than an operative or renegade clam could post a negative sig, members here who post many links to many different resources about cults and scientology are typically ones that I have a high trust level with. That's MY "S.O.P." But that's me. :confused2:

By the by, whilst me noggin is in overdrive tonight,... this entire SWC Event is based on two DOX, both internet interlaced: the first by Born In Big Blue which are 4 pics of an invitation, and not complete at that and one link to some "MasterPlanner" web service that states the time and date to back up the first entry, who's link to the event source is just the SWC main page, containing NO event news. Nor does MP's FUTURE events show any info at all. No WSC "Event" can be found at their WSC's website. Even in the 2011 News Releases at their website. Nor is there any info from there other sites. There's no event shown for the Beverly Wilshire Hotel from their website. :confused2:

Even so, the main thread over at WWP (laughing about this) just refers back to us here at ESMB and THIS very thread. They have there own long thread going, again on what Born In Big Blue hast stated. :unsure:

I guess some dox or info should be forthcoming in the next few days from all the emails that were sent to the SWC. Also, someone, maybe someone ANONYMOUS can prolly call the SWC and the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and do some digging. Other than that this whole award ceremony/dinner is UNDOCUMENTED. Of course if it turns out to be bogus, then we'll all look a little foolish and mouth frothy.

Just sayin'.

It is not bogus. It is as described in the invitation. For questions about the event you can contact Janice Prager at (310) 772-2426. The event web address is: www.wiesenthal.com To send a letter the address is 1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor Los Angeles, CA 90035

T.O.

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 07:07 AM
It is not bogus. It is as described in the invitation. For questions about the event you can contact Janice Prager at (310) 772-2426. The event web address is: www.wiesenthal.com (http://www.wiesenthal.com) To send a letter the address is 1399 South Roxbury Drive, 2nd Floor Los Angeles, CA 90035

T.O.

www.wiesenthal.com (http://www.wiesenthal.com/)
Ho hum, once again, there is NO mention of this award going to Tom cruise at that website. Using "cruise" as a keyword to search with you'll only get 3 links of cruise as it applies to vehicles or vacations. So that link is useless.

Referring back to the invitation is just a tail chase, a useless loop, since that invitation posted by Born In Big Blue is THE primary question of authenticity (not that it isn't, it is just incomplete). Referring to it as DOX is, well, rather clammy.

Also, I am not about to make a long distance call (the number quoted is a direct number) to confirm anything. I might have if they had a 8xx toll free number but they don't (no comment here about the SWC saving $ on long distance toll free calls from exes or anyone else).

Sending a letter and getting a reply would only take a month or so, so no one hold their breath; I'll start writing tonight and I'll get back to y'all soon enough (weeks and weeks).

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 07:12 AM
Quite true Zorg.. we need da dox.. We have a bit of a Chaos in action here.

We need an ex intelligence agent caller.

Maybe we could call Howard Stern get it on the air waves...

Chaos indeed! Talk about getting tangled up in your underwear! :confused2:

This guy might just get to the bottom of this thread (he gets my vote):

http://www.forum.exscn.net/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=1553

Jachs
28th March 2011, 07:16 AM
Chaos indeed! Talk about getting tangled up in your underwear! :confused2:

This guy might just get to the bottom of this thread (he gets my vote):

[/URL][URL]http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/pictures/mel-gibson-audio.jpg (http://<a href="http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/pictures/mel-gibson-audio.jpg" target="_blank">http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/pictures/mel-gibson-audio.jpg</a>)

Ah your Naughty Great Zorg ..

That guy might just get to the bottom of something Rhyming with the speed full throttle..

.

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 07:20 AM
Ah your Naughty Great Zorg ..

That guy might just get to the bottom of something Rhyming with the speed full throttle..

.

spin the bottle?

Nicole
28th March 2011, 07:58 AM
Link to the event: http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Link to WWP post:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/simon-weisenthal-center-museum-of-tolerance-honoring-tom-cruise.78301/

DOX image of the event;
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/TC1-1.jpg

Cool link regarding hubbard's racism (and so, every scientologist's programmed racism, whether they were racist to begin with or not):
http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/deny.htm

The SWC Contact Us link:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441485&en=niJQLVOEK8JIJ2NJL9IIKZNIInJVJ5PPImKYKaMRJsJ7F

German Chanology link (auf Deutsch):
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/german-deutsche-chanology-nachrichten-27-m%C3%A4rz-2011.78421/#post-1459620

Good list TGZ:thumbsup:

I want to add this German link:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gegen-das-System-Scientology/172552162757785#!/album.php?fbid=209119055767762&id=172552162757785&aid=56465

IMO it is a good idea to write letters and mails!

Critical posts on SWC (FB) pages about this event got deleted. No explanation, nothing....:confused2:

Mystic
28th March 2011, 08:11 AM
It is not a matter of whether or not I "like" Osacle", I just do not trust him, or her. Osacle just reminds me of the one way road into mind bending that talking to scientologist usually feels like. :confused2:

I also do not trust anyone that does not have a clam-negative or clam neutral sig. Although it is theoretically possible than an operative or renegade clam could post a negative sig, members here who post many links to many different resources about cults and scientology are typically ones that I have a high trust level with. That's MY "S.O.P." But that's me. :confused2:

By the by, whilst me noggin is in overdrive tonight,... this entire SWC Event is based on two DOX, both internet interlaced: the first by Born In Big Blue which are 4 pics of an invitation, and not complete at that and one link to some "MasterPlanner" web service that states the time and date to back up the first entry, who's link to the event source is just the SWC main page, containing NO event news. Nor does MP's FUTURE events show any info at all. No WSC "Event" can be found at their WSC's website. Even in the 2011 News Releases at their website. Nor is there any info from there other sites. There's no event shown for the Beverly Wilshire Hotel from their website. :confused2:

Even so, the main thread over at WWP (laughing about this) just refers back to us here at ESMB and THIS very thread. They have there own long thread going, again on what Born In Big Blue hast stated. :unsure:

I guess some dox or info should be forthcoming in the next few days from all the emails that were sent to the SWC. Also, someone, maybe someone ANONYMOUS can prolly call the SWC and the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and do some digging. Other than that this whole award ceremony/dinner is UNDOCUMENTED. Of course if it turns out to be bogus, then we'll all look a little foolish and mouth frothy.

Just sayin'.

That would be :hysterical: to the max if this whole thread is a farce. In fact, I think I'll just :hysterical: for the :hysterical: of it.

Nicole
28th March 2011, 08:51 AM
Just found a new link...

Tom Cruise :puke: Forever (http://www.tomcruiseforever.com/) :puke:

I searched at the official Tom Cruise page :puke:, but nothing found there!

Jachs
28th March 2011, 09:10 AM
Siren:
PR stations,

This is captain kirk -miscavige

Sulu torpedo those gays rumours of Cruise at starboard..

spock i need you to beam aboard and steal that dildo evidence..

warp 10 scottie..its a crux-ifuction


aye aye sir.

.This is the starship scieneyes
.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 09:39 AM
:drama:

Waiting, waiting. Waiting for facts. Waiting to hear from at least someone who has contact with SWC, both here and at WWP.

:drama: :drama:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 10:30 AM
From Nicole
:happydance::happydance:http://www.tomcruiseforever.com/:happydance::happydance: YYAAAA

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/11/16-22/tom-cruise-hugh-hefner-playboy-katie-holmes.jpg

TOM CRUISE:coolwink: TO BE HONORED BY THE SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER ON MAY 5TH

The Simon Wiesenthal Center will honor Tom Cruise with their 2011 Humanitarian Award with a tribute dinner on Thursday, May 5th at the Beverly Wilshire Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills. Previous honoree's include Brian Grazer, Ron Howard, Bobby Flay and Kofi Annan. The dinner and award ceremony is by invitation only.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is a global Jewish human rights organization that confronts anti-Semitism, hate and terrorism, promotes human rights and dignity, stands with Israel, defends the safety of Jews worldwide, and teaches the lessons of the Holocaust for future generations. With a constituency of over 400,000 households in the United States, it is accredited as an NGO at international organizations including the United Nations, UNESCO, OSCE, Organization of American States (OAS), the Latin American Parliament (PARLATINO) and the Council of Europe.

Headquartered in Los Angeles, the Simon Wiesenthal Center maintains offices in New York, Toronto, Miami, Paris, Buenos Aires, and Jerusalem.

The Simon Wiesenthal Cente

Royal Prince Xenu
28th March 2011, 10:36 AM
I spend time on Marty's blog and after one post - or maybe two - that get through, I get completely trashed there. Then my posts don't get through at all any more and they just keep on trashing me.

I sometimes get calls from friends laughing at me and how badly I got burned on Marty's blog. "Put the reefer down (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/briefing-from-the-shack/)" as a comment from Marty when I was doing my best to be polite but still slip in what I thought were important viewpoints to consider, comes to mind.

I believe that The Oracle is just as earnestly committed to her views as anyone else here. I admire her tenacity and her clear sense of justice. She is committed to principles that she believes are helpful to us all - just as we all are.

She adds much value to the place, and presents another aspect of the truth which we may be missing sometimes - in my opinion.

I was happy to see her posting here when I came back.

I like her.

And I hope she keeps posting here on ESMB.

I totally agree. Why are people attacking other people on the one thread because they think differently?

How about everyone read the committee list from the OP to see the beginnings of Scientology infiltration:

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/photo.jpg

Get enough of them on board and old Tubs himself will be receiving a posthumous award.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 10:39 AM
Well lookie fkn there, http://www.tomcruiseforever.com/ says so, so it must be true.

I still wanna hear from someone who has had contact with SWC. I trust a scientologist website about as far as I can toss an angry Spanish fighting bull.

Jachs
28th March 2011, 10:59 AM
I reckon this is Fake. Jett Travolta?

who is calling?
Contact: Janice Prager. (310) 772-2426

There are some stellar names on that list..

Nicole
28th March 2011, 10:59 AM
Sent Mail to SWC and asked, if it is really true! :sadwave:

....Waiting for reply....:waiting:

Mystic
28th March 2011, 11:00 AM
:drama:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 11:01 AM
Sent Mail to SWC and asked, if it is really true! :sadwave:

....Waiting for reply....:waiting:

I did that about 10 hours ago too.

Nicole
28th March 2011, 11:03 AM
:drama: :drama: :drama:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 11:05 AM
:bwahaha:

I told you I was trouble
28th March 2011, 11:14 AM
My bold



So, here you go, off to the center to demonstrate because Tom Cruise is there.

No regard for the hundreds of other people involved in the tolerance cause, their good work, what it means in our society, or how it really does benefit mankind. "Let's just fuck up this event for everyone because we wandered into a group full of curiosity and then got pissed."

And you are crusading under a justice banner? You are protesting injustice?

Why should the hundreds of other people at that event be penalized because of Tom Cruise and because you are still so fixated on Scientology if you can't spend your time loving it you have to spend your time hating it? Why do all of the other people arriving to this event who had nothing to do with your misery be penalized?

You complain about the lack of care and justice in the Church then you stomp right down to Wilshire Boulevard to run the same crap on people who had nothing to do with your whirlwind romance with Scientology. What does that make you? Not a person on higher ground.


If it is true that TC is on the award list, I expect the genuine recipients of awards would be delighted to see Cruise being protested.

I expect the genuine recipients worked hard and deserve the award and are very much aware (due to the recent few years of protesting the cult by anon and critics and the availability of information on the net) that Tom Cruise did nothing positive for religious tolerance and that he actually fully and knowingly supports abuse in the name of a joke religion.



:anon:

:guyfawkes::guyfawkes::guyfawkes:

Jachs
28th March 2011, 11:17 AM
With enough voices there , it could really open up the truth for Tom to confront.

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 11:33 AM
:drama:

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 11:51 AM
I totally agree. Why are people attacking other people on the one thread because they think differently?

How about everyone read the committee list from the OP to see the beginnings of Scientology infiltration:

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/photo.jpg

Get enough of them on board and old Tubs himself will be receiving a posthumous award.

This is another flag gone up: WHO in their right mind would put a deceased individual on the committee List: Jett Travolta who died in 2009. Possibly he could not have been removed from the committee list until months and months later. But over 2 years???? :confused2:

Here's another flag: from the above list it names Jeffrey Katzenburg and Ron Meyer as the Event Chairs. These two were the senior chairs for the 2010 event. Chairs are not repeated year after year but they DO appear in the above so called "document". :unsure:

See: http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

This, along with Jett Travolta's name on the list leads me to believe that we are looking at a 2010 Committee List. :yes:

The Great Zorg
28th March 2011, 12:29 PM
Just found a new link...
Tom Cruise :puke: Forever (http://www.tomcruiseforever.com/) :puke:

I searched at the official Tom Cruise page :puke:, but nothing found there!

Also, that website, 'Tom Cruise Forever' lists the administrative contact as a Karine Salmoria Maciel, of Sao Paulo, Brazil, which just happens to have a clam mission. Prolly coincidence but one might assume the TC has turned over or allowed a large number of clams to run things for him. :confused2:

myrklix
28th March 2011, 07:30 PM
Well, I actually just DID call the SWC - 310-772-2426.
I did confirm with a live person that TC will be honored in an event.
When I tried to explain that there would probably be a significant protest in response to this I was put through to a voice mail system. In this short "live" conversation I didn't say I was calling to protest but to inform. Then in the message I left on voice mail, without going into too much detail (and DEFINITELY without any anger), I expressed my dismay that they would be honoring someone connected to a controversial cult that had documented human rights violations. That I didn't go into much detail perhaps others on the board might want to leave messages that go into a bit more detail siting references. Others might want to mention that there are a disproportionate number of Jews that have been lured into various cults including Scn.

Mystic
28th March 2011, 07:41 PM
Well, I actually just DID call the SWC - 310-772-2426.
I did confirm with a live person that TC will be honored in an event.
When I tried to explain that there would probably be a significant protest in response to this I was put through to a voice mail system. In this short "live" conversation I didn't say I was calling to protest but to inform. Then in the message I left on voice mail, without going into too much detail (and DEFINITELY without any anger), I expressed my dismay that they would be honoring someone connected to a controversial cult that had documented human rights violations. That I didn't go into much detail perhaps others on the board might want to leave messages that go into a bit more detail siting references. Others might want to mention that there are a disproportionate number of Jews that have been lured into various cults including Scn.

Mucho excellent thank you. :thumbsup:

Nicole
28th March 2011, 07:43 PM
Thank You! :thumbsup: Well Done!!! :thumbsup:

Born in Big Blue
28th March 2011, 09:34 PM
Now you guys understand why I rarely post here. See the rest of you at the protest !!!

Jachs
28th March 2011, 09:37 PM
Born in big Blue ,apologies to you and thanks.

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 12:05 AM
Now you guys understand why I rarely post here. See the rest of you at the protest !!!

...still not convinced. :no:

It doesn't matter anyways, I'm not going to do a damn thing until I see proper DOX. That gnawing feeling in my gut just will not go away on this one so I'll let it ride until someone can explain why the chairs for 2011 are identical to the chairs of 2010 and why there's a dead guy on the committee list. There's also the curious question as to why the 2nd main source of this undocumented reaction, the "Planner" does not show their calendar for May. Nor does the SWC. :confused2:

Call me paranoid, but it the <church> of scientology's standard operating procedure to have their pseudo-Nazi internal police infiltrate message boards and groups and spread chaos. This is real. They really are dedicated to doing this.

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 01:39 AM
"...still not convinced"

Yeah....like I said guys.

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 01:54 AM
"...still not convinced"
Yeah....like I said guys.

Yeah....like I said guys.

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 01:55 AM
How do you rate 4 stars under your name. Does this message board reward morons too lazy to dial a phone ?

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 02:24 AM
PM me your fax # and Ill send you a copy of my invitation if you like...or would rather just continue to call me a liar ?

Gottabrain
29th March 2011, 02:27 AM
This is the correct website for the Simon Weisenthal Center:

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=6478433

There is NO mention of any award to Tom Cruz in the website news here. This is highly suspect.

We need to contact this site and let them know about the other one with the announcement.

Contact details (from this website)

The International Headquarters are based in Los Angeles, California.
Simon Weisenthal Center
1399 South Roxbury Drive
Los Angeles, California 90035
310 553.9036
800 900.9036 (toll-free from within the U.S.)
310 553.4521 (fax)
information@wiesenthal.net

BORN IN BIG BLUE: Why don't you fax it to them to investigate?

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 02:35 AM
You just do that.

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 02:41 AM
Better yet why don't you go back in this thread and look at the pics of my invitation and see that it has already been confirmed by a board member who called the center to be true. Ill gladly fax a copy if someone will tell me where.

Gottabrain
29th March 2011, 02:45 AM
Better yet why don't you go back in this thread and look at the pics of my invitation and see that it has already been confirmed by a board member who called the center to be true. Ill gladly fax a copy if someone will tell me where.

They called the number on the flyer. I posted the real telephone number, fax number and contact details.

I've no doubt you received it. The CULT always lies and issues false propaganda. Go ahead and fax it and watch the heads roll at C of S. ;)

myrklix
29th March 2011, 03:08 AM
They called the number on the flyer. I posted the real telephone number, fax number and contact details.


"They" meaning me, was the one who called. Just to clear the air I called the phone number on the SWC web site AND the number posted earlier on this thread and reached the same place. The phone number was answered the same way and I was put through to the same voice mail twice. Not sure why I even need to be writing this. Just go ahead and pick up your phone and call the darn number yourself! (They are in the US western time zone.)

Seriously, has no one else taken the two minutes to make a call and leave a respectful message that they (the SWC) are making a serious mistake honoring TC? Are there no others on the board who would rather see the embarrassment to TC & SCN of having the event canceled to another protest? Personally I think that would be far more effective.

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 03:11 AM
I not only called and sent a lengthy email...I cancelled my membership.

myrklix
29th March 2011, 03:25 AM
I not only called and sent a lengthy email...I cancelled my membership.

Great! Thank you.

Jachs
29th March 2011, 03:26 AM
Born in Big Blue, its not you, this distrust its not personally against you, this is the result of psycho-political policies of LRon Hubbard that cause this distrust.

again thankyou for bringing this to us.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 03:33 AM
Are OP, myself, Zorggie, myrklix and anyone I've left out the only ones in this thread with any sense?

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 03:53 AM
By the way, this dinner is $1500 a plate and by invitation only. That might explain why it's not widely known....until now.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 03:56 AM
By the way, this dinner is $1500 a plate and by invitation only. That might explain why it's not widely known....until now.

Ja.

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 04:48 AM
How do you rate 4 stars under your name. Does this message board reward morons too lazy to dial a phone ?

So now I'm a lazy moron, am I?

You cannot be deceived? You are con-proofed. Wow. With only ONE star?

Well, with my three extra stars I am just going to suggest you to 1) please stop insulting me and 2) stop doing this:


























http://www.forum.exscn.net/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=1561

Mystic
29th March 2011, 04:54 AM
Is this guy so-called "anti-Semitic"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-JCLYeDro&feature=player_embedded#at=175

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 04:55 AM
So now I'm a lazy moron, am I?

4 star absolutely.

You cannot be deceived? You are con-proofed. Wow. With only ONE star?

That says a lot about why you have 4. I earn my stars on the street in front of orgs...not on my keyboard

Well, with my three extra stars I am just going to suggest you to 1) please stop insulting me and 2) stop doing this:


























http://www.forum.exscn.net/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=1561

Once you and Gettabrain apologize you both can do a lot more of this:




http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/kiss-my-ass.jpg

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 05:10 AM
Once you and Gettabrain apologize you both can do a lot more of this:




http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/kiss-my-ass.jpg

What, kiss your brain lobes?

Annonny
29th March 2011, 05:34 AM
If indeed Simon Wiesenthal centre honours Tom Cruise it's outrageous and disgusting really. Scientology completely hijacked the issue of the death camps and the Holocaust. In their idiotic LA exhibit "Psychiatry, the industry of death" they insist that it's the psychiatrists that were responsible for the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
Are the Wiesenthal people so star struck that they are willing to honour an intolerant person who believes that it's the psychiatrists that were behind the holocaust? I happen to be Jewish and some of my family members perished during the holocaust and I find it absolutely horrible that the Wiesenthal people are even talking to Tom Cruise.
I think I should initiate one of those mass emails, written in Hebrew, so that the word in Israel gets around about this event.

Alanzo
29th March 2011, 06:21 AM
If indeed Simon Wiesenthal centre honours Tom Cruise it's outrageous and disgusting really. Scientology completely hijacked the issue of the death camps and the Holocaust. In their idiotic LA exhibit "Psychiatry, the industry of death" they insist that it's the psychiatrists that were responsible for the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
Are the Wiesenthal people so star struck that they are willing to honour an intolerant person who believes that it's the psychiatrists that were behind the holocaust? I happen to be Jewish and some of my family members perished during the holocaust and I find it absolutely horrible that the Wiesenthal people are even talking to Tom Cruise.
I think I should initiate one of those mass emails, written in Hebrew, so that the word in Israel gets around about this event.

Good idea.

One of the problems with what Tom Cruise promotes as a Scientologist is that the holocaust was not something that normal people could do today under the right circumstances, which the SWC goes to great lengths to teach us, but that the holocaust was something that only psychiatrists would do. And what Scientology teaches is that if psychiatrists were wiped out, then we would have no more holocausts - especially if the Church of Scientology was in charge.

All members of the SWC have to do is read the writings of L Ron Hubbard in Science of Survival (http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/dispose.htm) where he says that people who are below 2.0 on the "tone scale" do not deserve civil rights of any kind, and that they should be "disposed of quietly and without sorrow" for the betterment of society.

Now who would be these tone scale policemen who went around deciding who was above 2.0 and who was below 2.0 on L Ron Hubbard's tone scale? And once this determination would be made, what due process would be administered to ensure that these peoples' civil rights were taken away legitimately, so they then could be legitimately "disposed of quietly and without sorrow"?

Here we have the SWC supposedly honoring a person as a humanitarian who promotes bat-shit crazy genocidal and totalitarian ideals as a Scientologist!

It's bizarre that these people have become so politically correct that they are now completely blind to what Tom Cruise actually stands for and they look the other way to promote him as some kind of humanitarian.

Maybe it's simply a rich Hollywood suck-up festival, and they are only holding it in the SWC, and it has nothing to do with the SWC.

Maybe the SWC is not actually giving the award to Tom Cruise and calling him a humanitarian.

Please, tell me it is something like that.

Or maybe it's all just a big joke to get Ex-Scientologists all freaked out.

Anything would be better than this.

MrNobody
29th March 2011, 06:22 AM
If indeed Simon Wiesenthal centre honours Tom Cruise it's outrageous and disgusting really. Scientology completely hijacked the issue of the death camps and the Holocaust. In their idiotic LA exhibit "Psychiatry, the industry of death" they insist that it's the psychiatrists that were responsible for the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
Are the Wiesenthal people so star struck that they are willing to honour an intolerant person who believes that it's the psychiatrists that were behind the holocaust? I happen to be Jewish and some of my family members perished during the holocaust and I find it absolutely horrible that the Wiesenthal people are even talking to Tom Cruise.
I think I should initiate one of those mass emails, written in Hebrew, so that the word in Israel gets around about this event.

Hi and :welcome:

As fas as I know, it's still a bit unclear, what all this is about, since the Wiesenthal center still doesn't have an official statement on their webpage, and they still haven't responded to emails and phonecalls from several people who wanted to ask questions or express their concern. (Again: As far as I know)

It might be OK to give them another day to either confirm or deny this story.

Anyway, If you want to get active, I think a mass mailing campaign would be counterproductive, for the following reasons:

- Most people hate them (mass-mails) and very few take them serious enough to care.
- Very often they're labeled as SPAM, and sometimes are caught and deleted by automatic mail filters before a human sees them.

So here's a better idea: Write a decent Hebrew letter or email describing the situation and your concerns, and send it to the mass media in Israel. You know, newspapers, magazines, Radio and TV stations, that kinda stuff. Maybe ask some of your friends to do that too.

cheers, MrN

Mystic
29th March 2011, 06:48 AM
If indeed Simon Wiesenthal centre honours Tom Cruise it's outrageous and disgusting really. Scientology completely hijacked the issue of the death camps and the Holocaust. In their idiotic LA exhibit "Psychiatry, the industry of death" they insist that it's the psychiatrists that were responsible for the gas chambers in Auschwitz.
Are the Wiesenthal people so star struck that they are willing to honour an intolerant person who believes that it's the psychiatrists that were behind the holocaust? I happen to be Jewish and some of my family members perished during the holocaust and I find it absolutely horrible that the Wiesenthal people are even talking to Tom Cruise.
I think I should initiate one of those mass emails, written in Hebrew, so that the word in Israel gets around about this event.

Hi Sarah! Wow, what a first post! Welcome to ESMB.

Born in Big Blue
29th March 2011, 07:11 AM
Well gee whiz take a peek at this...guess I was making it all up right ?

http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

The Oracle
29th March 2011, 08:11 AM
O.K., you have put yourselves in the justice arena to judge and levy penalties on Tom Cruise.

Fair enough. Trust me when I tell you if I did not care about you, I would not be going through the effort to be sitting here at this hour when I have five hours of sleep possible before I have to wake up and start a 16 hour day. Please do not decide I am someone who deserves to be harmed attacked and suppressed because I have a different vision. That in itself is injustice.

So, you are wearing the justice hats and penalties must be levied against Tom Cruise and this Charity Organization. This event is something that requires justice. O.K.. There are scales in justice hats and prosecutor hats. This is part of the hat.

Tom Cruise is a father. Has he been a bad father or a father that dumped his parent hat?

Has he been a bad actor and let down his investors?

Has he been a drug addict or let down the members of society that have invested in him as a professional?

Has he been a bad husband, Nic stayed ten years, but we can't answer that let's be honest.

Did he stick his neck out to make a film that illustrated one man against the odds in a group with no support relying only on integrity?

Is he guilty of being in the "know" in Scientology about what the real conditions are?

Have you taken in the entire panoramic view and made just decisions about the guilty verdict and total worth and weighed all of these things and issued a fair declare as to the penalty? You are fairgaming him.

Because if you have not, you are wallowing in the same injustice you are here complaining about and that makes you the same as you reject.

Are you on higher ground? Have you raised three children, stuck your neck out in public to represent your experiences in Scientology and risen to the top of your profession? Are you in a position to judge Tom Cruise and levy penalties? Do you even know if he is in the Church since he has discovered he was secretly video taped? I don't think so.

If you have done more and risked more and are on higher ground then I would respect your whiplash on his glory for the film he made protesting mob agreement.

I guess my problem is that I just don't trust you have done all of that.

And if I am the only person on this forum with this viewpoint, well, whatever. Nobody here has walked in my shoes either. So why would you see things from my angle? And does that mean I am fairgame?

How would you feel if I showed up at your workplace because you were honest and forthright and public about your life?

How will his children be disgraced?

Do you have the scales of justice in proper order?

Be grown up and tell me why you do.

Win me over with reason.

I am easy that way.

T.O.

The Oracle
29th March 2011, 08:21 AM
But when you go to protest aren't you fairgaming someone?

I mean GET REAL!

There are solutions and I know protesting is one of them but I am not going to sit around and pretend you are not fairgaming someone.

At least admit it.

T.O.

I told you I was trouble
29th March 2011, 08:33 AM
But when you go to protest aren't you fairgaming someone?

I mean GET REAL!

There are solutions and I know protesting is one of them but I am not going to sit around and pretend you are not fairgaming someone.

At least admit it.

T.O.


I am fairgaming someone.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 08:58 AM
Well gee whiz take a peek at this...guess I was making it all up right ?

http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559

Wow. You made it up so well it's happening! Good show.

Most all those names are Jewish sounding. Cruised-out Tom's last name is Mapother. That's not a Jewish-sounding name, is it? This whole affair still looks fishy.

I think we're having fun with this.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 09:02 AM
O.K., you have put yourselves in the justice arena to judge and levy penalties on Tom Cruise.

Fair enough. Trust me when I tell you if I did not care about you, I would not be going through the effort to be sitting here at this hour when I have five hours of sleep possible before I have to wake up and start a 16 hour day. Please do not decide I am someone who deserves to be harmed attacked and suppressed because I have a different vision. That in itself is injustice.

So, you are wearing the justice hats and penalties must be levied against Tom Cruise and this Charity Organization. This event is something that requires justice. O.K.. There are scales in justice hats and prosecutor hats. This is part of the hat.

Tom Cruise is a father. Has he been a bad father or a father that dumped his parent hat?

Has he been a bad actor and let down his investors?

Has he been a drug addict or let down the members of society that have invested in him as a professional?

Has he been a bad husband, Nic stayed ten years, but we can't answer that let's be honest.

Did he stick his neck out to make a film that illustrated one man against the odds in a group with no support relying only on integrity?

Is he guilty of being in the "know" in Scientology about what the real conditions are?

Have you taken in the entire panoramic view and made just decisions about the guilty verdict and total worth and weighed all of these things and issued a fair declare as to the penalty? You are fairgaming him.

Because if you have not, you are wallowing in the same injustice you are here complaining about and that makes you the same as you reject.

Are you on higher ground? Have you raised three children, stuck your neck out in public to represent your experiences in Scientology and risen to the top of your profession? Are you in a position to judge Tom Cruise and levy penalties? Do you even know if he is in the Church since he has discovered he was secretly video taped? I don't think so.

If you have done more and risked more and are on higher ground then I would respect your whiplash on his glory for the film he made protesting mob agreement.

I guess my problem is that I just don't trust you have done all of that.

And if I am the only person on this forum with this viewpoint, well, whatever. Nobody here has walked in my shoes either. So why would you see things from my angle? And does that mean I am fairgame?

How would you feel if I showed up at your workplace because you were honest and forthright and public about your life?

How will his children be disgraced?

Do you have the scales of justice in proper order?

Be grown up and tell me why you do.

Win me over with reason.

I am easy that way.

T.O.

Doesn't this belong in another thread? Does it belong in any thread? Does it even belong on this board? Does it belong anywhere?

:no: I guess not.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 09:06 AM
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Mystic
29th March 2011, 09:09 AM
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fortymarriedandbalding
29th March 2011, 09:13 AM
But when you go to protest aren't you fairgaming someone?

I mean GET REAL!

There are solutions and I know protesting is one of them but I am not going to sit around and pretend you are not fairgaming someone.

At least admit it.

T.O.

You have it all wrong.

People protested the war in Iraq. Some of those were republicans. Were they fair gaming Bush because they protested on aspect of his administration? I think not.

People in Germany are now protesting against nuclear power plants. Are they fair gaming the politicians who support them (disregard the stupidity of the anti-nuclear movement in your assessment)? I think not.

This protest is solely about Tom being anything but a great humanitarian.

Great humanitarians are ahead of the curve on protecting human rights. They make sure they are well informed and act accordingly. Their actions and words are recognised years down the track as being self sacrificing, righteous and in the best interests of basic human rights.

Tom Cruise claims to believe in freedom of religion, and publicly states that scientology does not clash with other religions. Even if he hasn’t seen staff being berated for paying attention to other religions, he has done OT III, and he knows this to be a lie, but says it anyway. This shows a total lack of respect for the right of individuals to be correctly informed about the religios choices they make. This is not the actions of a great humanitarian.

Tom Cruise, whether it be through ignorance or blind faith in the greater good as defined by Hubbard, blindly follows DM and, despite many of DMs evils being brought to his attention, dismisses them out of hand. This is not the action of a great humanitarian.

Tom Cruise, viciously promotes his anti-psych views, stomping on others rights to receive medical care in the process. He claims to know the history of psychiatry, but is obviously grossly misinformed. He has ignored the volumes evidence that is contrary to his views. This is not the action of a great humanitarian.

I could go on and on.

Some may say, this is not all that important, we should just let it slide, but if we let it slide, what would be the ramifications. More people will put credence into what Tom says, and many will be worse off because of it. Not to mention the publicity stunts that DM will pull to keep the faithful faithful.

Most reasonable people can protest this event and the declaration of TC as a humanitarian without fair gaming him.


(Of course we should clarify if he really is getting this award or whether this is simply a hoax)

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 09:21 AM
Well gee whiz take a peek at this...guess I was making it all up right ?

http://masterplanneronline.com/losangeles/organization/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center_25559




http://www.forum.exscn.net/picture.php?albumid=76&pictureid=930




You are running around in a circle back to the very same link at MasterPlannersOnLine that was quoted here yesterday as being weak and containing broken or useless links (to the SWC or The Beverly Wilshire Hotel).

What next BIBB? You're gonna repost your pics of the invitation as proof positive?

Again?

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 09:26 AM
Here we have the SWC supposedly honoring a person as a humanitarian who promotes bat-shit crazy genocidal and totalitarian ideals as a Scientologist!

Right right on that! :yes: :thumbsup:

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 01:50 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh... all quiet on the SWC Front. :unsure:

TGZ tiptoes away......

Royal Prince Xenu
29th March 2011, 01:58 PM
I wanted to PM The Oracle, but she has PMs turned off.

The Oracle:

I have always respected your posts in the past, and we have shared PMs where each established the other's intent in a variety of posts.

I sincerely think you are missing a vital point on this issue----the one of hypocrisy.

It would be like taking a lower Thibetan town where they still throw their liquid and solid waste out the window into the street----the only reason it doesn't smell is because it freezes too quickly. Dead animals and human faeces scattered all over the street don't exactly make for an entry in the Local "Tidy Towns" contest.

Yet, in TC's case, this is axactly what is happening. He is being recognised for "humanitarian" deeds when no one can actually find any such deeds, particularly as he is now the figurehead of a proven Fascist regime. If I received an invite to this memorial dinner totally free of charge including transport and accommodation, Satan would be the over-worked Concierge getting blisters from his Ice skates, before I would even consider attending.

Tom Cruise "starred" in one good movie. He hasn't since produced one. If he stopped making these woefully inaccurate movies accompanied by ill-informed comments, that would be worthy of an Humanitarian award!

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 02:41 PM
I wanted to PM The Oracle, but she has PMs turned off.

The Oracle:

I have always respected your posts in the past, and we have shared PMs where each established the other's intent in a variety of posts.

I sincerely think you are missing a vital point on this issue----the one of hypocrisy.

It would be like taking a lower Thibetan town where they still throw their liquid and solid waste out the window into the street----the only reason it doesn't smell is because it freezes too quickly. Dead animals and human faeces scattered all over the street don't exactly make for an entry in the Local "Tidy Towns" contest.

Yet, in TC's case, this is axactly what is happening. He is being recognised for "humanitarian" deeds when no one can actually find any such deeds, particularly as he is now the figurehead of a proven Fascist regime. If I received an invite to this memorial dinner totally free of charge including transport and accommodation, Satan would be the over-worked Concierge getting blisters from his Ice skates, before I would even consider attending.

Tom Cruise "starred" in one good movie. He hasn't since produced one. If he stopped making these woefully inaccurate movies accompanied by ill-informed comments, that would be worthy of an Humanitarian award!

The "church" Of Scientology: The Fourth Reich! :grouch:

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 02:49 PM
Here is a MOST interesting video of some German Anons being harrassed by an oatie 7. The sound is in German but there are English subtitles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giPNLTa5yhc

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 04:57 PM
Don't you have a phone Zorg ? Why would you rather bitch than ask? I offered to fax you my invitation. Wtf ?

anonkatie
29th March 2011, 05:05 PM
O.K., you have put yourselves in the justice arena to judge and levy penalties on Tom Cruise.

Fair enough. Trust me when I tell you if I did not care about you, I would not be going through the effort to be sitting here at this hour when I have five hours of sleep possible before I have to wake up and start a 16 hour day. Please do not decide I am someone who deserves to be harmed attacked and suppressed because I have a different vision. That in itself is injustice.

So, you are wearing the justice hats and penalties must be levied against Tom Cruise and this Charity Organization. This event is something that requires justice. O.K.. There are scales in justice hats and prosecutor hats. This is part of the hat.

Tom Cruise is a father. Has he been a bad father or a father that dumped his parent hat?

Has he been a bad actor and let down his investors?

Has he been a drug addict or let down the members of society that have invested in him as a professional?

Has he been a bad husband, Nic stayed ten years, but we can't answer that let's be honest.

Did he stick his neck out to make a film that illustrated one man against the odds in a group with no support relying only on integrity?

Is he guilty of being in the "know" in Scientology about what the real conditions are?

Have you taken in the entire panoramic view and made just decisions about the guilty verdict and total worth and weighed all of these things and issued a fair declare as to the penalty? You are fairgaming him.

Because if you have not, you are wallowing in the same injustice you are here complaining about and that makes you the same as you reject.

Are you on higher ground? Have you raised three children, stuck your neck out in public to represent your experiences in Scientology and risen to the top of your profession? Are you in a position to judge Tom Cruise and levy penalties? Do you even know if he is in the Church since he has discovered he was secretly video taped? I don't think so.

If you have done more and risked more and are on higher ground then I would respect your whiplash on his glory for the film he made protesting mob agreement.

I guess my problem is that I just don't trust you have done all of that.

And if I am the only person on this forum with this viewpoint, well, whatever. Nobody here has walked in my shoes either. So why would you see things from my angle? And does that mean I am fairgame?

How would you feel if I showed up at your workplace because you were honest and forthright and public about your life?

How will his children be disgraced?

Do you have the scales of justice in proper order?

Be grown up and tell me why you do.

Win me over with reason.

I am easy that way.

T.O.

Wow!

Ok, let's go.

He is raising his children in a cult. That says a lot right there about his worth as a parent. What about the fact that the children have virtually no contact with their mother, according to her and that that is not her choice? Whose choice would that be and why, hmm? Talk about fair gaming on Nicole!

He has let down investors in the past, according to Sumner Redstone who fired him from Paramount for exactly that reason.

Drug addict? Well maybe not unless you consider the e-meter a drug like the Star does. :thumbsup:

Bad husband? According to Nicole, he divorced her without a word of discussion simply saying "She knows why", on the brink of a ten year period, after which if he had divorced her he would have had to pay out more money according to California law. She suffered a miscarriage, according to her during that stressful period. Bad husband? You tell me.

Stick his neck out to make a movie? hahahahaha, tell me how he stuck his neck out because I don't even get this one at all. If you are talking about Valkyrie-he risked absolutely nothing, except losing money because it wasn't all that good.

Is he guilty of being in the know? Oh yes! Let's say exactly what he is doing, not just generally what CoS is doing.

Tom Cruise is complicit in slave labor and human trafficking allegations raised in the recent New Yorker article and being investigated by the FBI. Numerous witnesses over the years have attested to his involvement with use of Sea Org labor, which he is CURRENTLY STILL USING. These people are not paid by him and barely at all paid by their organization, at most $50/week for 16 hour days, often at hard labor.
http://gawker.com/#!5757217/tom-cruises-favorite-toys-were-built-for-free-by-scientology-slaves

Tom's involvement with this abuse goes back to the early 1990's:
http://www.suburbia.net/~...ess/940425wd.htm?FACTNet

Am I on higher ground than him? You bet your life. I am not sucking people into a soul less cult. How does "rising to the top of his profession" or anything else he is doing justify his support of slavery? That isn't even logical. He is not honest and forthright about his life; if he were he could face why he was auditioning people for the part of his wife.

I understand two points I think you are making:
-that SWC has done great work and protesting might bring them adverse publicity
-he is private citizen.

But that is just it, he isn't a private citizen. He isn't even just a random celebrity Scientologist. He is the principal propagandist for them and has personally been involved with using this slave labor force to his own ends.

As far as protesting and adverse effect on SWC, they picked him, they should be able to justify their choice to their members and the public. Any protest of him getting an award should plainly recognize that it is not an attack on their good works but on this one instance of clearly bad judgment.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 05:10 PM
Well Gottabrain knows who posted this. Ask her about said persons credibility.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 05:11 PM
Shhhhhhhhhh... all quiet on the SWC Front. :unsure:

TGZ tiptoes away......


Hopefully you tiptoed to your phone.....

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 05:15 PM
Don't you have a phone Zorg ? Why would you rather bitch than ask? I offered to fax you my invitation. Wtf ?

Oh look, its none other than Born In Big Blue! :unsure:

I'm not going to call you, I'm just going to wait until the smoke clears and others have contacted the SWC and received a reply or a public announcement from same. Until then, there's lots of time to organize a protest or raid. :confused2:

Again (and again and again) I am simply stating that those pics, one phone call to some unidentified person and two obscure websites with iffy info and broken links is not DOX. All the threads floating all over the internet such as here, OCB, WWP, a few other critic sites are ALL loosely based on your 4 pics. Let's just let it unravel for a few days and see what's what. YOU have set something in motion, let's see how it plays out. K?

If you want to chew the wallpaper then just post clearer pics bu that will not advance the DOX nature of your invitation. Perhaps you were set up with a false invitation? Is this at least remotely possible? :confused2:

I believe he does protest too much. :whistling:

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 05:20 PM
No I suggested you call the center and maybe I do protest too much. But at least I protest IN PERSON EVERY WEEK IN FRONT OF AN ORG. Do you ?

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 05:22 PM
Hopefully you tiptoed to your phone.....

If you really want to get technical, WHERE's the pic of the enclosed RSVP? You seem to have omitted that little item out of the set of pics. :confused2:

If you can scan or take a pic of the invitation then why leave out the RSVP? Just take a pic and post it. That would give proof that you received a complete invitation. Whether or not it is genuine can only be confirmed by SWC or widespread links across the internet.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 05:24 PM
Ill be at said protest....will you ?

The Oracle
29th March 2011, 05:47 PM
I wanted to PM The Oracle, but she has PMs turned off.

The Oracle:

I have always respected your posts in the past, and we have shared PMs where each established the other's intent in a variety of posts.

I sincerely think you are missing a vital point on this issue----the one of hypocrisy.

It would be like taking a lower Thibetan town where they still throw their liquid and solid waste out the window into the street----the only reason it doesn't smell is because it freezes too quickly. Dead animals and human faeces scattered all over the street don't exactly make for an entry in the Local "Tidy Towns" contest.

Yet, in TC's case, this is axactly what is happening. He is being recognised for "humanitarian" deeds when no one can actually find any such deeds, particularly as he is now the figurehead of a proven Fascist regime. If I received an invite to this memorial dinner totally free of charge including transport and accommodation, Satan would be the over-worked Concierge getting blisters from his Ice skates, before I would even consider attending.

Tom Cruise "starred" in one good movie. He hasn't since produced one. If he stopped making these woefully inaccurate movies accompanied by ill-informed comments, that would be worthy of an Humanitarian award!

O.K., thank you for your kind attention. I doubt if anyone could say nobody can find any humanitarian deeds amoungst Tom Cruise's history in this world. He adopted two children. Maybe you were not raised as an orphan so the humanitarian effort there would not be visible. O.K.. There are entire nations on this planet that would like nothing better than to see every Jewish person on this planet put to death. The movie was a recognition about people being able to make decisions as one while still remaining part of a whole. It was a good message. Tom Cruise took on many enemies to play that part in that movie. That was not a bad thing for him to do. The character he portrayed in the film illustrates ALL OF US! Yes.

Now, there is a difference between fixing something that is broken and bullying.

When the fairgame Mike Rinder thread started here I pointed out nobody was exactly giving him a better solution for a group. I took my share of heckling there. When someone created a safespace for him to flip into, he came out.

There is a lot of hate in the Church and in that culture. It is the people predisposed to that , that make it nightmare runaway train it has become. I applaud those on higher ground. But I cannot contribute to hate, bullying and blind injustice on an opposing side either. That orgaization as well as the Jewish Board of Guardians has been doing work in the community for all cultures and people. It is a CHARITY event not a political function. And I am well aware of the financial contributions these people make to provide education and resources for children that have no homes. Tom Cruise is a figurehead to draw contributions and sell dinners. That money goes to help people in the community from all walks of life.

Your grievance is with the Church of Scientology, NOT the Jewish community involved with real charity work that matters. I am not Jewish but I was put through high school by the Jewish Board of Guardians. Otherwise I would have been living on the streets.

I am just asking you to consider these truths and realities before you set out to fairgame and charity fundraiser which is organized by people who DO care about other people.

Is this really your target? Who might not come to next years fundraiser because of noise and security and what child might that effect?

That is for starters.

There is also the issue of harassing staff at orgs. Do you think those people want to be there in that madness? When you threaten them as a group it only causes them to cling to another and ridge on what is "out here".

Kindness and communication and real justice will turn this madness inside out.

You go to the Orgs and offer a solution to those staff to walk out of there into a safe space and they will walk out.

I wouldn't say this if I had not seen it work many times like magic.

But hate will not conquor hate.

Only love will conquor hate.

T.O.

Nicole
29th March 2011, 05:55 PM
I trust P Salerno! :yes: He had nothing done, that I won't trust him... :yes:

SWC didn't reply! :grouch:

Please, altogether calm down.:bigcry:

:)

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 06:13 PM
Didn't you hear ? Zorg doesn't believe I was a member and patron of SWC and thinks I had the website made up for some ridiculous reason. Here's a reality check: L Ron Hubbard was a pedophile and a liar and oh yeah....check this Oracle:


http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/oracle.jpg

The Oracle
29th March 2011, 06:24 PM
Didn't you hear ? Zorg doesn't believe I was a member and patron of SWC and thinks I had the website made up for some ridiculous reason. Here's a reality check: L Ron Hubbard was a pedophile and a liar and oh yeah....check this Oracle:


http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp91/pauljsalerno/oracle.jpg

How artistic! Expressing yourself through art is a good thing!

T.O.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 06:40 PM
Hey Zorg do you know what Anonymous is ? Ever heard of HB Gary Federal ?

Better yet do you know what they are capable of ?

Mystic
29th March 2011, 06:44 PM
....

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 06:50 PM
http://http://www.scribd.com/doc/48393859/Anonymous-v2

Mystic
29th March 2011, 06:58 PM
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P Salerno
29th March 2011, 07:02 PM
Im bringing the WHOLE San Fran crew.

practice
29th March 2011, 07:03 PM
Hey Zorg do you know what Anonymous is ? Ever heard of HB Gary Federal ?

Better yet do you know what they are capable of ?Oh my god dude chill out.

The Great Zorg doesn't trust you because he doesn't trust anyone. No need to get your panties in a twist about it. Anyone else reading this thread can pretty easily see you are telling the truth without you getting all self-righteous and petty about it.

Do we have to go through the same song and dance every single time someone doesn't trust someone else? :duh:

anonkatie
29th March 2011, 07:17 PM
This question of whether it is real or not is boring!

If you don't believe it, then just call the place yourself. Otherwise I will trust the following complement of facts:

-members here and elsewhere have called the actual center and confirmed it
-it is listed on Tom Cruise's fan website
-it is listed in SWC masterplanner
-Paul and others have the invite

As to whether that is a former committee from prior years, I am sure that there is some overlap. However, if you look at the people on the list, many have specific connection to Tom Cruise-that is why they are there, people such as Ben Stiller, Jerry Bruckheimer, Will Smith, Brad Bird, etc. So it is clear that list is oriented toward him.

There, everyone get your panties untwisted.

Nicole
29th March 2011, 07:19 PM
http://www.lkg-marktredwitz.de/uploads/pics/titel-0702-friedenstaube.gif


@SWC: That makes Co$. People that gone through that Mindf*ck have problems to trust each other and you honor the "flagship" TC!!!
AND
In Germany exist "friendships" between Co$ and neo-fascist parties:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-und-rechtsextreme-propaganda.31499/

and that what TGZ posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giPNLTa5yhc&feature=player_embedded

anonkatie
29th March 2011, 07:42 PM
O.K., thank you for your kind attention. I doubt if anyone could say nobody can find any humanitarian deeds amoungst Tom Cruise's history in this world. He adopted two children. Maybe you were not raised as an orphan so the humanitarian effort there would not be visible. O.K.. There are entire nations on this planet that would like nothing better than to see every Jewish person on this planet put to death. The movie was a recognition about people being able to make decisions as one while still remaining part of a whole. It was a good message. Tom Cruise took on many enemies to play that part in that movie. That was not a bad thing for him to do. The character he portrayed in the film illustrates ALL OF US! Yes.

Now, there is a difference between fixing something that is broken and bullying.

When the fairgame Mike Rinder thread started here I pointed out nobody was exactly giving him a better solution for a group. I took my share of heckling there. When someone created a safespace for him to flip into, he came out.

There is a lot of hate in the Church and in that culture. It is the people predisposed to that , that make it nightmare runaway train it has become. I applaud those on higher ground. But I cannot contribute to hate, bullying and blind injustice on an opposing side either. That orgaization as well as the Jewish Board of Guardians has been doing work in the community for all cultures and people. It is a CHARITY event not a political function. And I am well aware of the financial contributions these people make to provide education and resources for children that have no homes. Tom Cruise is a figurehead to draw contributions and sell dinners. That money goes to help people in the community from all walks of life.

Your grievance is with the Church of Scientology, NOT the Jewish community involved with real charity work that matters. I am not Jewish but I was put through high school by the Jewish Board of Guardians. Otherwise I would have been living on the streets.

I am just asking you to consider these truths and realities before you set out to fairgame and charity fundraiser which is organized by people who DO care about other people.

Is this really your target? Who might not come to next years fundraiser because of noise and security and what child might that effect?

That is for starters.

There is also the issue of harassing staff at orgs. Do you think those people want to be there in that madness? When you threaten them as a group it only causes them to cling to another and ridge on what is "out here".

Kindness and communication and real justice will turn this madness inside out.

You go to the Orgs and offer a solution to those staff to walk out of there into a safe space and they will walk out.

I wouldn't say this if I had not seen it work many times like magic.

But hate will not conquor hate.

Only love will conquor hate.

T.O.

I'm not sure what "enemies" you think he took on to make the film. But this was an acting gig, not a holy crusade. That's his job for which he got well paid.

Peaceful protest is not hate. I find your jump to this conclusion odd.

"There is also the issue of harassing staff at orgs. Do you think those people want to be there in that madness? When you threaten them as a group it only causes them to cling to another and ridge on what is "out here".

Who is threatening who? No protests have ever had any threats or violence from protestors, but Scientologists on the other hand have attacked protestors, most recently last week beating and stomping one of my friends in Paris, breaking his nose. Have you read that thread? How was he threatening or harassing anyone? He was there because he cares to end the abuse. It is he and others who have risked much, who have sacrificed money, time and safety to stop this.

It is actions like these that have made this a public issue. It is actions like these that have made it safer to come out and talk as Marty as done. It is actions like these that have thrown a huge spotlight on the CoS.

Personally, my IRL protesting and discussions with Scientologists at protests have resulted in at least three people I know of leaving. Three that I didn't know before but was able to touch through conversation. That is the value of such "hateful" action.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 08:32 PM
That's why you rock Anonkatie....:)

Voltaire's Child
29th March 2011, 08:54 PM
What I don't like about TC is his backing of DM. I'm sure he knows that DM threatened to have TC beat up SO staff and that TC was fine with it. No way he doesn't know about the slave labor used to give him perks. This is extremely wrong and he probably has legal culpability, if not also moral...

But what I don't care about is his role in a movie.

Sorry, but I don't care. He's an actor.

Veda
29th March 2011, 09:00 PM
Q. Why is Tom Cruise a Humanitarian?

A. He tried to kill Hitler in a movie.


Some background:

Around 1971, after surveying public opinion, Hubbard switched from mainly calling his enemies "communists" (and sex perverts) to mainly calling them "Nazis" (and sex perverts); these days, "haters" and "bigots" are amongst those "buttons" judged effective.

L. Ron Hubbard explains how to use propaganda (to push the "hate" and "love" "buttons" of "wogs") in 'Battle Tactics' of 16 February 1969:

"The only safe public opinion to head for is they love us and are in a frenzy of hate against the enemy, that means standard wartime propaganda is what one is doing... Know the mores of your public opinion, what they hate. That's the enemy. What they love. That's you."


And another piece of Scientology tech, from Hubbard's 'Black Propaganda' of 12 January 1972:

"The objective is to be identified as attackers of popularly considered evils. This declassifies us from former labels. It reclassifies our attackers as evil people."


And from 'Ron's Journal 68':

"...And the general attack line is along the line of human rights; yes human rights...

"Now I'll give you a clue on how this is handled, somebody comes up to you he's hostile - he's hostile to Scientology and he says to you and he says <inaudible> and you say why are you against human rights and uh and if you know anything about human rights like the universal declaration of human rights, United Nations - that sort of thing you know if you know something about this subject you just follow it right straight up - in other words you don't defend Scientology, you just attack along this line of human rights, you see...

"Tell him or her ...uh ...the hostile person the hostile press line uh...for instance a newspaper writes an article on how bad Scientology is - any Scientologist reading this should run right to that newspaper and demand: Why are you against human rights? Why are you in favor of Psychiatric death camps?

"Whereas an attack on Scientology is actually an attack on human rights - anyone making an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights...

"Each time Scientology is attacked, we build into society, if you do this, we'll build into society an actual stimulus response mechanism whereas an attack on Scientology is an attack on human rights, and a person making such an attack is in favor of psychiatric death camps."


If Anonymous or others protest this, they should be careful to make sure that their message is simple and clear. This is about Scientology's Human Rights abuse, and Tom Cruise's support of Scientology, and Scientology's leader, a nationally recognized abuser of human beings, David Miscavige.

The photo of Miscavige and Cruise looking "bad" with their motorcycles comes to mind. This could be placed next to the 'St. Petersburg Times' headline and photo of the crazed looking Miscavige.

A well behaved and polite protest with a distinct well-expressed message will be effective. Beware of Scientology attempting to infiltrate the protest with agent provocateurs.

Scientology will attempt to portray itself as a Human Rights-supporting religion being attacked by extremist haters.

The best result would be for the Simon Wiesenthal Center to receive so much feedback about the inappropriateness of giving such an award to Tom Cruise, that it changes its mind, does a quick switch, and gives the award to someone else.

Mystic
29th March 2011, 09:11 PM
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AnonKat
29th March 2011, 09:24 PM
http://www.lisamcpherson.org/images/nazis_clearwater_79.jpg

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 09:53 PM
Hey Zorg do you know what Anonymous is ? Ever heard of HB Gary Federal ?

Better yet do you know what they are capable of ?

Will you please stop.

I never said anywhere that you are or are not a member of anything.

You are posting here as P Salerno AND Born In Big Blue.

You alliance with the Osacle does not surprise me.

Please stop the following:
Personal insults
Ad hominems

I have my opinion and in my opinion the proof of this event has holes in it. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyone else here hear back from SWC? By email or phone?

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 10:23 PM
You are only going to believe what you hear for YOURSELF obviously so dust off your dialing finger and check it out.

Wisened One
29th March 2011, 10:28 PM
He's [Tom Cruise] receiving the award for his "Religious Tolerance".
He tolerates beatings and forced labor camps....I'd say that's damn tolerant.


:clap: THIS would make a GREAT PROTEST SIGN!!! :yes: :thumbsup:

Realitywilltell
29th March 2011, 10:52 PM
I called Janice Prager's office at (310) 772-2426 of the Simon Wiesenthal Center this afternoon (morning in California time) and although I could not get through to Janet her secretary confirmed that Tom Cruise is this year's recipient of the Simon Wiesenthal Humanitarian Award!!!!!!



Unfortunately this is not a joke!!



This IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!! These people are not thinking!!!!

Commander Birdsong
29th March 2011, 10:58 PM
:omg:, if there was ever a need for protesters, it is for this event!

o yeah!

Commander Birdsong
29th March 2011, 11:12 PM
"When history looks back," Wiesenthal explained, "I want people to know the Nazis weren’t able to kill millions of people and get away with it." His work stands as a reminder and a warning for future generations.

What utter Hyprocrisy, if Wiesenthal was alive he would be Bitch slapping whomever set this event up and sending TC to a penal colony to rehabilitate his hypnotised delusional state.. what the influence of positive suggestion can do..

they know what CoS does.

they know what we do.

they are setting up- dare i say it?- a clay pigeon so anonymous can have it's stone cold dead biggest blowout ever.

LET'S GIVE IT TO THEM!

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 11:14 PM
Oh my god dude chill out.

The Great Zorg doesn't trust you because he doesn't trust anyone. No need to get your panties in a twist about it. Anyone else reading this thread can pretty easily see you are telling the truth without you getting all self-righteous and petty about it.

Do we have to go through the same song and dance every single time someone doesn't trust someone else? :duh:

I trust some people here, implicitly. Others with caution. Others not at all. That should be normal methinks. I trusted hubbard and the executives of this cult. Look what that got me.

I am 50% convinced that this event is legit. That's not 0% nor is it 100%. Why should it matter? I am just suggesting we exercise a little caution at this point. If we had all exercised this little bit of caution in the very first place, years ago, none of us would have ever become involved with this mind bending cult.

Seeing Born In Big Blue, a.k.a. P Salerno's reactions to my posts I would think that he would be a perfect target for a set-up or joke with a false invitation; an invitation that could have come from the clam's covert ops, a renegade chanologist or a renegade Anon or who knows! It's simply NOT ENOUGH LEGIT DOX.

BIBB / PS : WHERE'S THE RSVP? Post a pic of that, something critical to the invitation and it's authenticity and I'll shut up. Promise. If you did receive the invitation and it IS legitimate then you should have the RSVP. It's says right there in the pic: RSVP ENCLOSED.

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 11:28 PM
BIBB / PS : WHERE'S THE RSVP? Post a pic of that, something critical to the invitation and it's authenticity and I'll shut up. Promise. If you did receive the invitation and it IS legitimate then you should have the RSVP. It's says right there in the pic: RSVP ENCLOSED.[/QUOTE]


You're simply not worth the drive crosstown to my wife's office is the real reason but if you are stupid enough to tell me I can twist your bitter old ass then then I promise you I'll never post it now...:p

Ha ha you suck....

P Salerno
29th March 2011, 11:32 PM
You will find in future that were positions reversed I would not be so pig headedly stubborn about a simple apology.

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 11:45 PM
Here's a link to Janet Prager's TOLL FREE number! It's from one of the SWC's donation page:

http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=lsKWLbPJLnF&b=4441287

It also includes the SWC Director's phone number.

Janice Prager
Phone: (800) 900-9036 / (310) 772-2426
Fax: (310) 772-7651
E-Mail: jprager@wiesenthal.net (jprager@wiesenthal.net)

Rabbi Meyer H. May
Executive Director
800-900-9036
rabbimay@wiesenthal.com (rabbimay@wiesenthal.com)

Here is a new link from The Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles:
http://www.jewishla.org/page/event/detail/communitypartners/wrwf
What is interesting in that link is that the Honoree is NOT mentioned.

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 11:48 PM
BIBB / PS : WHERE'S THE RSVP? Post a pic of that, something critical to the invitation and it's authenticity and I'll shut up. Promise. If you did receive the invitation and it IS legitimate then you should have the RSVP. It's says right there in the pic: RSVP ENCLOSED.

You're simply not worth the drive crosstown to my wife's office is the real reason but if you are stupid enough to tell me I can twist your bitter old ass then then I promise you I'll never post it now...:p
Ha ha you suck....[/QUOTE]

I knew you would have an excuse. Did you not pm me and ask me where to fax the invitation to? Now that you are called on it, it is just too far away and not worth the trouble.

More insults?

Emma, where are you? Have you suspended all the rules? If so, I'm coming out swingin'!!!!!

The Great Zorg
29th March 2011, 11:52 PM
You will find in future that were positions reversed I would not be so pig headedly stubborn about a simple apology.

That's quite the sig you have there P Salerno Born In Big Blue!:

We're in the ruining business...and business is good."
Anonymous

If I were a newbie to the cult and critics alike, based on news propoganda against the Anons, I would take that sig comment as more proof that the bullshit news might be right about scientology's worst enemy: (and one of Mankind's ONLY hope of treating this vicous virus created by a greedy, insane dark occult criminal) Anonymous.

Voltaire's Child
29th March 2011, 11:55 PM
OMG! This is why we can't have nice things!

Alanzo
30th March 2011, 12:19 AM
OMG! This is why we can't have nice things!

People come over, we try to show them that that we're nice people, and then one of our family members starts gnawing the rug right in front of the guests...

I guess, as Ex-Scientologists, we're just a highly fucked-up family and we always will be.

Oh well.

At least we have each other.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 12:56 AM
Let's all just take it easy. At this point I've been advised about this individual so I offer this:

Sorry for antagonizing you.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.

All the best..:)

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 01:20 AM
Let's all just take it easy. At this point I've been advised about this individual so I offer this:

Sorry for antagonizing you.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either cease being mistaken, or cease being honest.

All the best..:)

That's a nice, backhanded apology. You just won't quit, will you? :confused2:

...and you are not antagonizing me, far from it. I keep laughing at you and your replies. I'm quit calm about the whole thing. It's the criticism and overt and covert insults that I don't appreciate and that serve no purpose here.

Mystic
30th March 2011, 01:22 AM
....

jenni with an eye
30th March 2011, 01:31 AM
Q. Why is Tom Cruise a Humanitarian?

A. He tried to kill Hitler in a movie.



:roflmao:

Good twin
30th March 2011, 01:32 AM
If I were a songwriter I'd have to compose The Sam Weis Boggie.

Yep. We've already seen the dance. :yes:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 01:36 AM
[QUOTE=The Great Zorg;556085]That's a nice, backhanded apology. You just won't quit, will you? :confused2:

an apology none the less. Since you were clever enough to find the toll free number I'm SURE by this point you have called for yourself and found me to be 100% correct.

Are you big enough to offer an apology in return is the question I would appreciate an answer to if it's all the same to you.

Oh as far as my signature goes all I can tell you is this. Don't hate the sailor hate the sea. Follow the link. Learn something.

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 01:39 AM
[QUOTE=The Great Zorg;556085]That's a nice, backhanded apology. You just won't quit, will you? :confused2:

an apology none the less. Since you were clever enough to find the toll free number I'm SURE by this point you have called for yourself and found me to be 100% correct.

Are you big enough to offer an apology in return is the question I would appreciate an answer to if it's all the same to you.

Oh as far as my signature goes all I can tell you is this. Don't hate the sailor hate the sea. Follow the link. Learn something.

Take a deep breath and count to 5,000. :wink2:

Mystic
30th March 2011, 01:42 AM
....

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 01:52 AM
Nothing personal bro but the only thing that could make my warm reception to this board worse is the introduction of country music. Now I must go smoke a blunt and watch some Jamaican girls dance on Youtube to clear my head...;)

Free to shine
30th March 2011, 01:54 AM
Nothing personal bro but the only thing that could make my warm reception to this board worse is the introduction of country music. Now I must go smoke a blunt and watch some Jamaican girls dance on Youtube to clear my head...;)

:D

Hey and welcome to the rough and tumble of ESMB mate. :welcome:

I appreciate the work you do and the info you provide elsewhere.

Alanzo
30th March 2011, 01:58 AM
Nothing personal bro but the only thing that could make my warm reception to this board worse is the introduction of country music. Now I must go smoke a blunt and watch some Jamaican girls dance on Youtube to clear my head...;)

I appreciate your contribution.

And I welcome you to ESMB!!! :happydance:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 01:59 AM
[QUOTE=P Salerno;556093]

Take a deep breath and count to 5,000. :wink2:

Why so insufferably unwilling to dial a few simple numbers ? You refuse to take anyone's word here (very telling if you ask me) so that means you are just being contrary to be a...well...be what so far 7 emails have warned me about. You're right. To this board I'm a noob. But certainly not the struggle. Never a cult member you see....never a sucker. Is that what you dislike me for ? If that's the case say no more I understand completely. You certainly wouldn't be the first.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:00 AM
I appreciate your contribution.

And I welcome you to ESMB!!! :happydance:

A pleasure sir :)

Good twin
30th March 2011, 02:02 AM
Oh my. It's a new Zinj. :ohmy:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:04 AM
Oh my. It's a new Zinj. :ohmy:

What's a "Zinj"?

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:07 AM
That's a nice, backhanded apology. You just won't quit, will you? :confused2:

...and you are not antagonizing me, far from it. I keep laughing at you and your replies. .

To be fair were that true you wouldn't have been screaming for the mod at the first sign of adversity now would you ?

Mystic
30th March 2011, 02:18 AM
....

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:21 AM
Lol...you certainly are an individual with eclectic taste. What's next ? A good polka ?...lol

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:23 AM
But seriously. What's a "Zinj" ? I may be Fabian but I don't know all the inside cult terms.

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:24 AM
To be fair were that true you wouldn't have been screaming for the mod at the first sign of adversity now would you ?

Not at the first sign of your bullshit, no. After the fourth or fifth when my patience ran out, yes.

I do not forgive. I do not forget. Expect me.

OK, that's all bullshit; I do forgive and and I do forget and God knows I'm trying to do that with you as we type. :yes:

Maybe you need to smoke a few more blunts and watch more Jamaican dancing girls on YT and keep them hands busy doing something other than banging out insults and attacks on me on multiple boards. :confused2:

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:24 AM
But seriously. What's a "Zinj" ? I may be Fabian but I don't know all the inside cult terms.

Biting my tongue.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:25 AM
Yes those girls are certainly burning off the calories from that high fat Latin diet...wonderfully so. Gracias for sharing.

Good twin
30th March 2011, 02:26 AM
But seriously. What's a "Zinj" ? I may be Fabian but I don't know all the inside cult terms.

Zinj is an ex who was never in. Kinda.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:26 AM
Biting my tongue.


You need teeth for that technique to work darling.:eyeroll:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:27 AM
Zinj is an ex who was never in. Kinda.

You mean this person was dishonest about he or she's involvement ? So is "Zinj" a scientology term too ?

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:30 AM
You need teeth for that technique to work darling.:eyeroll:

Oh and thank you for criticising me and most of the people here at ESMB for being "suckers".

personally you've too smoked a little much blunt think I. :p

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:31 AM
You mean this person was dishonest about he or she's involvement ? So is "Zinj" a scientology term too ?

This guy is an Anon? God help them.

Mark A. Baker
30th March 2011, 02:35 AM
You mean this person was dishonest about he or she's involvement ? So is "Zinj" a scientology term too ?

No. Zinj is a nickname of a nickname of a person. His full nick is Zinjifar. His name is Joe Lynn (not confidential information).

Zinj was never 'in'. He has become very knowledgeable about the Co$ through his own history of protesting, being harrassed, etc.. He is very passionate, wry, and occasionally witty. He got upset a while back, made a fuss, got a short term ban, and has since refused to return to the board.


Mark A. Baker

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:41 AM
Oh and thank you for criticising me and most of the people here at ESMB for being "suckers".



personally you've too smoked a little much blunt think I. :p

I don't see anyone lining up against me but you...and it's like my first day here. Get a hint.

I may have "smoked too much blunt" my dear but I can at least spell "criticizing" correctly or are you possibly using a Canadian spelling my poor conservatory educated brain isn't aware of ?

Yes on the subject of cannibus if ever there was a candidate for reaping the benefits of it's positive effects I daresay that might be an individual present.

Any luck on the 800# ?

Commander Birdsong
30th March 2011, 02:41 AM
Nothing personal bro but the only thing that could make my warm reception to this board worse is the introduction of country music. Now I must go smoke a blunt and watch some Jamaican girls dance on Youtube to clear my head...;)

always works for me.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:42 AM
No. Zinj is a nickname of a nickname of a person. His full nick is Zinjifar. His name is Joe Lynn (not confidential information).

Zinj was never 'in'. He has become very knowledgeable about the Co$ through his own history of protesting, being harrassed, etc.. He is very passionate, wry, and occasionally witty. He got upset a while back, made a fuss, got a short term ban, and has since refused to return to the board.


Mark A. Baker

I see. I like him already.

Commander Birdsong
30th March 2011, 02:44 AM
no zorgie, i ain't takin' sides. it's just big bad blue wants to take a caravan from sf to the protest nd i PM'd him for a ride

Smilla
30th March 2011, 02:47 AM
I see. I like him already.

Lots of people like Zinj - me included. He's a great person :thumbsup:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 02:51 AM
That's actually not a problem. We are planning on moving back to LA in the next couple of weeks but Chanology SF will always be my baby so it's not like I'm retiring from my Bay Area duties at all. I recently purchased a nice Denali too so I can promise a comfortable and fun ride. We are all a great bunch.

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:53 AM
I don't see anyone lining up against me but you...and it's like my first day here. Get a hint.

I may have "smoked too much blunt" my dear but I can at least spell "criticizing" correctly or are you possibly using a Canadian spelling my poor conservatory educated brain isn't aware of ?

Yes on the subject of cannibus if ever there was a candidate for reaping the benefits of it's positive effects I daresay that might be an individual present.

Any luck on the 800# ?

So now you're modifying my quotes to infuse your own nastiness into it?

You're "poor brain" must not be aware that we Canadians use The King's English, not American English. There's a small difference in spellings. But I know now that you're an American because just like some aggressive Americans, you assume that you're universally correct about everything while knowing very little of anything outside of your border.

To wit: "...but I can at least spell "criticizing" correctly"

To correct your narrow mindedness, this board is located in Australia, which also uses the King's English if I'm not mistaken), making your aggressive assumption that this board is located in the U.S. and hence my spellings incorrect, is absolutely WRONG.

Go smoke some more dope. It's obviously had a good effect on you.

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 02:57 AM
no zorgie, i ain't takin' sides. it's just big bad blue wants to take a caravan from sf to the protest nd i PM'd him for a ride

S'OK. It's a losing battle trying to talk to a heavy dope smoker. I hope you have a good ride and a great protest, if this event is even real. If not, I suspect that you'll have to listen to Born In Big Blue and his sockpuppet P Salerno go on about me all the way there and back. :wink2:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:01 AM
Tell you what sugar britches. A few years ago after a very painful injury and subsequent surgery I was placed on a drug called Oxycontin. It was a nightmare of gastro intestinal as well as other problems. Here in Calif my doctor prescribes me cannibus for pain and because of it Im no longer dependent on a narcotic opioid for relief. I'm sure an individual like yourself would rather see me strung out on a narcotic and needing ever increasing doses to get the same level of pain management than say a friend would but that just illustrates more about you doesn't it ?

I tried with this individual you guys. I really did.

Mark A. Baker
30th March 2011, 03:03 AM
... we Canadians use The King's English, ...

Interesting. I, for one, was unaware that Liz had a sex change. I just thought she had poor taste in clothing. Was the operation done at Phillip's request?


Mark A. Baker :p
p.s. FWIW, I actually respect Lizzy & her son Charles. They both, in different ways, have tried very hard to carry out what are difficult roles conscientiously. It hasn't always gone well. I simply couldn't waste an opportunity to 'rag you' a bit. :coolwink:

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:05 AM
S'OK. It's a losing battle trying to talk to a heavy dope smoker. I hope you have a good ride and a great protest, if this event is even real. If not, I suspect that you'll have to listen to Born In Big Blue and his sockpuppet P Salerno go on about me all the way there and back. :wink2:

Im nobodys sock puppet. Have I tried to hide that born in big blue was me ? No. Stop being stupid and pick up a phone. Btw..I'm not a "heavy dope smoker" I use it as prescribed by my doctor. Someone vastly more qualified than you I daresay. What have I done to deserve this sort of treatment except to try to help.

Panda Termint
30th March 2011, 03:07 AM
It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.
Ex-scientologists: When there's nothing tasty to eat, some of them eat each other.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:08 AM
S'OK. I suspect that you'll have to listen to Born In Big Blue and his sockpuppet P Salerno go on about me all the way there and back. :wink2:

I may not be a doctor but this is a very telling statement.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:09 AM
It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.
Ex-scientologists: When there's nothing tasty to eat, some of them eat each other.

So I've heard. That's not what's happening here though.

Panda Termint
30th March 2011, 03:11 AM
So I've heard. That's not what's happening here though.
I know, I wasn't talking about you! XD

Smilla
30th March 2011, 03:13 AM
http://files.sharenator.com/back_in_the_days_trolling_meant_something_Draw_a_T roll-s470x600-95420-580.jpg

Trolls just ain't what they once wuz.

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 03:17 AM
Interesting. I, for one, was unaware that Liz had a sex change. I just thought she had poor taste in clothing. Was the operation done at Phillip's request?


Mark A. Baker :p
p.s. FWIW, I actually respect Lizzy & her son Charles. They both, in different ways, have tried very hard to carry out what are difficult roles conscientiously. It hasn't always gone well. I simply couldn't waste an opportunity to 'rag you' a bit. :coolwink:

No raggin taken. :no:

Um, yes.... Liz is still a girl. :yes: This doesn't mean everything English or Canadian or of the Commonwealth is "Of The Queen". The King's English is a book of proper use of the English Language. :yes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King%27s_English

The Great Zorg
30th March 2011, 03:21 AM
I'm sure an individual like yourself would rather see me strung out on a narcotic and needing ever increasing doses to get the same level of pain management than say a friend would but that just illustrates more about you doesn't it ?

You use your own fallacy about me and then present it as a truth to then criticise me for it? "An individual like yourself?" HF.

Enough. Some one has to be a grown up here.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:25 AM
Glad to hear it. Call the center. It's free.

Alanzo
30th March 2011, 03:29 AM
Lots of people like Zinj - me included. He's a great person :thumbsup:

Me too.

P Salerno
30th March 2011, 03:30 AM
My sources say he was banned for a time. Were they incorrect ?

Panda Termint
30th March 2011, 03:34 AM
Zinj is perma-banned.

Alanzo
30th March 2011, 03:35 AM
You use your own fallacy about me and then present it as a truth to then criticise me for it? "An individual like yourself?" HF.

Enough. Some one has to be a grown up here.

You know you have completely ruined a quite important thread with your petty personal ego-based butt-hurt with this new guy.

Yes, at first you questioned things and it was good to question things to make sure they were legit. Well done.

But to continue?

Do you really think you should keep going?

Alanzo
30th March 2011, 03:36 AM
My sources say he was banned for a time. Were they incorrect ?

Zinj is permanently banned and its one of those things we don't talk about, for fear that You Know Who might not like it.

Smilla
30th March 2011, 03:38 AM
Nice to see you here Alanzo.