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Gottabrain
18th April 2011, 02:38 PM
Article from StarDish says:

"Usually I find the Cruise-Holmes family a bit ridiculous, but this incident has me sympathizing with Katie Holmes. All children do and say random things, but only a few have the paparazzi documenting their every spat and spazz. It's nice that Katie is cool enough to laugh this one off.

But as much as I sympathize with her, I don’t think her explanation has helped me understand Scientology’s childrearing methods any better. I thought Scientologists were all about treating children as little adults, fully capable of making their own decisions. I can understand that a non-Scientologist parent might want to conduct child-appropriate anatomy lessons without the use of candy aids, but why can’t Katie Holmes say ‘penis’? Yes, there are a lot of fun bad words that mean the same thing, but ‘penis’ is totally PG.

If you believe the tabloids, Suri Cruise chooses her own outfits, sets her own hours and eats whatever she wants, so why is her mom so hesitant to teach her about “boy parts”? I knew the correct anatomical terms when I was 4, and frankly, that knowledge probably would’ve prevented me from choosing a box of penis candies, because, well, ewww. Right? It’s hard to tell if this is Scientology at work, or if Katie Holmes is simply too prissy to use a perfectly clinical word most kids already know. Or maybe she’s holding off on the Anatomy 101 lesson until someone invents candies that jive better with her religious beliefs, like Meat Body Gummies or Thetan Pops."

http://www.stardish.ca/2011/03/katie-holmes-spells-out-the-p-e-n-i-s-candy-situation-suri-cruise-x-rated-gummies-ellen-degeneres.html

FoTi
18th April 2011, 02:55 PM
Article from StarDish says:

"Usually I find the Cruise-Holmes family a bit ridiculous, but this incident has me sympathizing with Katie Holmes. All children do and say random things, but only a few have the paparazzi documenting their every spat and spazz. It's nice that Katie is cool enough to laugh this one off.

But as much as I sympathize with her, I don’t think her explanation has helped me understand Scientology’s childrearing methods any better. I thought Scientologists were all about treating children as little adults, fully capable of making their own decisions. I can understand that a non-Scientologist parent might want to conduct child-appropriate anatomy lessons without the use of candy aids, but why can’t Katie Holmes say ‘penis’? Yes, there are a lot of fun bad words that mean the same thing, but ‘penis’ is totally PG.

If you believe the tabloids, Suri Cruise chooses her own outfits, sets her own hours and eats whatever she wants, so why is her mom so hesitant to teach her about “boy parts”? I knew the correct anatomical terms when I was 4, and frankly, that knowledge probably would’ve prevented me from choosing a box of penis candies, because, well, ewww. Right? It’s hard to tell if this is Scientology at work, or if Katie Holmes is simply too prissy to use a perfectly clinical word most kids already know. Or maybe she’s holding off on the Anatomy 101 lesson until someone invents candies that jive better with her religious beliefs, like Meat Body Gummies or Thetan Pops."

http://www.stardish.ca/2011/03/katie-holmes-spells-out-the-p-e-n-i-s-candy-situation-suri-cruise-x-rated-gummies-ellen-degeneres.html

Maybe not everyone is as comfortable as you seem to be about using that word when they are on a TV show, in front of a live audience. I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that in front of an audience. And some parents don't want to introduce their children to sex until they get a little older. Katie said that Suri grabbed the box of gummies and she thought it was a different product until she got a look at what Suri was holding and then she said she didn't want to make an issue of it in the store, so she just let it go. It seems that Katie is a little on the modest side and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Gottabrain
18th April 2011, 02:59 PM
I can certainly understand that, FoTi. I think the writer thought she was a bit of a hypocrite for shielding her daughter from the knowledge of a man's anatomical parts (so Suri didn't recognize what the candy was), while at the same time giving her complete freedom to make adult decisions.

FoTi
18th April 2011, 03:20 PM
I can certainly understand that, FoTi. I think the writer thought she was a bit of a hypocrite for shielding her daughter from the knowledge of a man's anatomical parts (so Suri didn't recognize what the candy was), while at the same time giving her complete freedom to make adult decisions.

I don't think Suri has complete freedom to make adult decisions. She appears to have little girl freedoms, like picking out her own clothes. Big deal. Kids grab boxes of candy, as well as other stuff off of shelves all the time in stores. It's something they like to do. The tabloids make mountains out of molehills.

Gottabrain
18th April 2011, 03:31 PM
The article said she picked out her mother's clothes, FoTi. You've scanned it too quickly & made a decision without really reading it.

She also chooses whatever she eats and eats whatever she wants and chooses her own schedule.

She is 4 years old. I consider that poor parenting. Boundaries are important. Rules help children know what is socially acceptable, what is healthy and what is not and teach good habits. 4 year old children do not have fully developed judgement skills in their brains yet, much less experience.

But recognizing physical body parts? That's just knowledge. And good decisions can't be made without knowledge.

Auditor's Toad
21st April 2011, 12:44 AM
One advantage is that as this child grows older the parents will be in position to post bail for her.

She is going to raised with her parents always removing the consquences of her actions.

She'll reach the point of no connection between action and consquences - and at that point become a criminal...most likely for life.

tutu
21st April 2011, 01:10 AM
Actually my Scientology parents always treated me like an adult. I chose my own clothes, had ice cream for dinner if I wanted (but I also had to have a square meal for dessert) and I could choose Scientology if I wanted.

Where am I today? CEO, wealthy and fully responsible for my actions. I've never been in jail. I didn't know what a penis was until I was 7. Now my parents could have been just great parents and I know they were. I loved my mom dearly before she passed and I adore my dad. But knowing everything I did had consequences made me think before getting into a car with a drunk driver, take illegal drugs and do illegal stuff.

I think I'm doing okay :) and really, Suri is just a baby. Ease up. Attack Tom and Katie all you want. Suri is just being cute.

Gottabrain
21st April 2011, 01:12 AM
Actually my Scientology parents always treated me like an adult. I chose my own clothes, had ice cream for dinner if I wanted (but I also had to have a square meal for dessert) and I could choose Scientology if I wanted.

Where am I today? CEO, wealthy and fully responsible for my actions. I've never been in jail. I didn't know what a penis was until I was 7. Now my parents could have been just great parents and I know they were. I loved my mom dearly before she passed and I adore my dad. But knowing everything I did had consequences made me think before getting into a car with a drunk driver, take illegal drugs and do illegal stuff.

I think I'm doing okay :) and really, Suri is just a baby. Ease up. Attack Tom and Katie all you want. Suri is just being cute.

Did you ignore the abuses going on in the COS?

Do you ignore abuses of others today?

Sassy
21st April 2011, 02:27 AM
I think if you have a boy and a girl close in age growing up, they're going to get a glimpse of each other naked. My kids were 3 1/2 years apart, older son. I always said penis & vagina & it was never a big deal. I hated the "hoo hoo" "pee pee" "weiner" words etc. Just my opinion. Suri's brother is much much older so chances are she has never seen a penis. I know some parents walk around nude in front of their kids, I personally think that's gross, maybe Tom & Katie do too.

I don't agree at all with how they raise their daughter and it's none of my business, but I do think they'll have consequences when she's older (and regrets too). Doesn't seem like Isabella & Connor are spoiled but I'm sure that was due to Nicole's mothering.

Anyway, I do agree with Katie about not making a big deal. If she took them away, Suri probably would have thrown a temper tantrum & embarrassed Katie, so she had to distract her to get the pops away. Suri is really really cute though!

FoTi
21st April 2011, 02:58 AM
The article said she picked out her mother's clothes, FoTi. You've scanned it too quickly & made a decision without really reading it.

I see nothing wrong with that. They probably have fun together doing this kind of stuff. I see no harm in this and I'm pretty sure that if Katie didn't want to wear what Suri picked out, she probably wouldn't.

She also chooses whatever she eats and eats whatever she wants and chooses her own schedule.

As long as it doesn't disrupt the rest of the family, I see nothing wrong with this either. Why make her eat food she doesn't want to eat and shove a schedule at her if it's no necessary. I don't know about you, but I don't like to be made to eat what someone else wants me to eat nor do I like having to keep someone else's schedule if I don't have to.

She is 4 years old. I consider that poor parenting. Boundaries are important.

How do you know she has no boundaries at all? Have you been in the household?

Rules help children know what is socially acceptable, what is healthy and what is not and teach good habits.

Yes, this is true. I cannot imagine that her parents are not teaching her what is socially acceptable and what is healthy and what is not....in their estimation. Outside of being stuck in Scientology, they seem to me to be a pretty successful couple and I doubt that they got that way without having some concept of what is socially acceptable and what is healthy, within their own knowledge.

This is also a family of actors, and show business people tend to live a little different lifestyle than the average family. Everyone doesn't fit into a cookie cutter existence of rules and regulations.....especially in L.A. There are many different types of families each with their own style and rules of living however they want to live. Socially in public, Suri doesn't seem to act like an ass, so I would say her parents are doing okay with her so far. No one is perfect in raising their kids.




4 year old children do not have fully developed judgement skills in their brains yet, much less experience.

That's very true and Katie appears to keep pretty good tabs on her in public. I never see any pics of Suri running wild in public. It appears to me that Katie takes pretty good care of Suri, is very close to her and I would say, loves her a lot. That's the impression I get.

But recognizing physical body parts? That's just knowledge. And good decisions can't be made without knowledge.

Suri grabbed a box of candy off a shelf in a store that they often frequent, which normally doesn't have this sort of item. It was not something expected by Katie. It wasn't a porn shop that she took her daughter to, for God's sake.

Katie got sucked into Scientology. Just because she allows Suri to make a lot of her own choices, doesn't make her a bad mother. Personally, I wish my mother had allowed me such freedoms as a child. It would have made my life a lot more pleasant.





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