Best sites for a churchie's first visit?

[Free to shine]

There are a lot of great sites out there with vital information, but which would you suggest for a first visit from someone still blinkered so it wasn't too overwhelming for them?

A gradient approach?


(I was talking to someone who didn't even understand about disconnection, or believed that it still happened!)

[alex]

There are a lot of great sites out there with vital information, but which would you suggest for a first visit from someone still blinkered so it wasn't too overwhelming for them?

A gradient approach?


(I was talking to someone who didn't even understand about disconnection, or believed that it still happened!)

Stories.

here.

[Zinjifar]

Stories.

here.

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

[Alanzo]

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

Good suggestion.

For the reasons stated.

[Free to shine]

'Here's' a good place, but, might very well be 'too much' for a still 'Operating Churchie', due to the two-way comm and potential enturbulation.

Probably a better *first* site would be 'Through The Door':

http://alley.ethercat.com/door/

Because there is no 'give and take' it's merely presented data, which can be rejected at will and with little necessity to overamp the 'force field'.

But yes, here's a good place once the person can confront. As is Google itself.

Zinj

Hmmm...Through the Door was the first place I posted myself, but that was after a lot of reading. And I didn't start reading there until I got past the idea it was only a site full of nattery SP's! I gathered pieces of data I wanted from all over the place and it took a long time, and I was obviously ready to look, having been offline for ages.

I am thinking more of someone who is still totally 'in', yet curious. Maybe I should start a website, just a portal, for a gradient approach. Just links to articles with immediate and relevant impact? Yikes I don't have time right now but it could be an ongoing project if someone wanted to do it. And yes I know there are sites like this, but if I wanted to refer someone today, I would need to go to them all again to check, because I have forgotten where I read what! :confused2:

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?

I'm sure there are many more possible headings!

The person I was speaking to said the inevitable "nothing you can say to me about Scientology would change my mind" (as if I would try) yet admitted to having "looked at a couple of sites"! I don't know which ones, but obviously they were not ones that presented a more conservative view that allowed them to get deeper into finding whatever made them look in the first place.

[Alanzo]

Hmmm...Through the Door was the first place I posted myself, but that was after a lot of reading. And I didn't start reading there until I got past the idea it was only a site full of nattery SP's! I gathered pieces of data I wanted from all over the place and it took a long time, and I was obviously ready to look, having been offline for ages.

I am thinking more of someone who is still totally 'in', yet curious. Maybe I should start a website, just a portal, for a gradient approach. Just links to articles with immediate and relevant impact? Yikes I don't have time right now but it could be an ongoing project if someone wanted to do it. And yes I know there are sites like this, but if I wanted to refer someone today, I would need to go to them all again to check, because I have forgotten where I read what! :confused2:

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?

I'm sure there are many more possible headings!

The person I was speaking to said the inevitable "nothing you can say to me about Scientology would change my mind" (as if I would try) yet admitted to having "looked at a couple of sites"! I don't know which ones, but obviously they were not ones that presented a more conservative view that allowed them to get deeper into finding whatever made them look in the first place.

I "read" Messiah or Madman? in 1987 when it first came out. I remained a Scientologist for another 13 years.

[Div6]

Its a havingness process...its going to be different for each person. Some are drawn by the forbidden fruit, some by cognitive dissonance, others by curiosity....so trying to get "the gradient" and "the correct content" will be a crap shoot. Really, as Zinj mentioned, Google is the best starting place for most (over 700 US a share!) Rate the threads here as well....I see tons of lurkers who just show up to read......if they see a diverse crowd with a standard of tolerance and open communication, then it will give them something to compare to the overhyped fanaticism and closed mindedness of the cult box they have enclosed themselves into.

"I shouted out 'Who trapped Xenu', when after all, it was you and me..."

[Eamonn Gosney]

The sort of things I think people want to know straight up, simple headings, not necessarily in this order:

1. LRH's true background
2. Disconnection in PT
3. The SO now and in the past
4. The truth about the GO
5. Why prices are so high
6. Why people are declared
7. What happened to the past leaders of Scio?
8. The re-re-revision of tech
9 How does all that impact ME now in Scientology?




I am sorry to hear that you feel you have been wronged by the Church, and that you now must march the path of revenge.


Eamonn

[Zinjifar]

I am sorry to hear that you feel you have been wronged by the Church, and that you now must march the path of revenge.


Eamonn

It's not about 'upsets' you silly :)

It's about using what one has learned in life to improve it and reverse the 'Ever Dwindling Spiral'.

Opposing Scientology is social conscience.

Zinj

[Eamonn Gosney]

It's about using what one has learned in life to improve it and reverse the 'Ever Dwindling Spiral'.


The 'Ever Dwindling Spiral' is reversed by first brainwashing (http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing-0-reader-opinions-index.htm?page=1) people so as to have a fresh slate.



Eamonn

[Zinjifar]

The 'Ever Dwindling Spiral' is reversed by first brainwashing (http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing-0-reader-opinions-index.htm?page=1) people so as to have a fresh slate.



Eamonn

That might work if you could delete what you were replying to :)

Zinj

[Mojo]

I "read" Messiah or Madman? in 1987 when it first came out. I remained a Scientologist for another 13 years.

You sir (Alanzo) are either a Spiritual Gladiator of the Highest Order, or your Eternal Spiritual Destiny is in deep deep doubt. And now I'm stuck smack dab in the middle, right between love and fear.

Lol.

Mojo

P.S. I read it in the same year and left the church the next day.

[Veda]

The 'Ever Dwindling Spiral' is reversed by first brainwashing (http://people.howstuffworks.com/brainwashing-0-reader-opinions-index.htm?page=1) people so as to have a fresh slate.

Eamonn

Is that what happened to you?

http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/brainwashing1.html

[Alanzo]

You sir (Alanzo) are either a Spiritual Gladiator of the Highest Order, or your Eternal Spiritual Destiny is in deep deep doubt. And now I'm stuck smack dab in the middle, right between love and fear.

Lol.

Mojo

P.S. I read it in the same year and left the church the next day.

I had a deep emotional need to remain a Scientologist. I felt that Scientology had saved my life, and so anything anyone said bad about it must be a lie.

Plus, I wanted to be able to "handle" people who had read it, and show them that the information had no effect on me.

[Eamonn Gosney]

Is that what happened to you?




Yes, everything has been wiped.


I've had my whole hard drive completely reformatted.




Eamonn

[Veda]

Yes, everything has been wiped.


I've had my whole hard drive completely reformatted.

Eamonn

Have you read Mr. Hubbard's book on the topic?

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=3036&postcount=1

[Zinjifar]

Yes, everything has been wiped.


I've had my whole hard drive completely reformatted.




Eamonn

Ah. that's the problem. An IDEot drive low-level formatted to MFM..

Dude, you can't do that! IDEot uses drive translation tables and only *fakes* MFM!

Zinj

[Free to shine]

I "read" Messiah or Madman? in 1987 when it first came out. I remained a Scientologist for another 13 years.

Yeah I see what you mean....

[Free to shine]

Its a havingness process...its going to be different for each person. Some are drawn by the forbidden fruit, some by cognitive dissonance, others by curiosity....so trying to get "the gradient" and "the correct content" will be a crap shoot. Really, as Zinj mentioned, Google is the best starting place for most (over 700 US a share!) Rate the threads here as well....I see tons of lurkers who just show up to read......if they see a diverse crowd with a standard of tolerance and open communication, then it will give them something to compare to the overhyped fanaticism and closed mindedness of the cult box they have enclosed themselves into.

"I shouted out 'Who trapped Xenu', when after all, it was you and me..."

Good point! I'll bookmark some threads for handy reference depending on the subject. Thanks. :)

[Veda]

You sir (Alanzo) are either a Spiritual Gladiator of the Highest Order, or your Eternal Spiritual Destiny is in deep deep doubt. And now I'm stuck smack dab in the middle, right between love and fear.

Lol.

Mojo

P.S. I read it in the same year and left the church the next day.

Curious as to what information in the book prompted the decision to exit the Church of Scientology.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1090

[Mojo]

Curious as to what information in the book prompted the decision to exit the Church of Scientology.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0654802-4263319

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1090

After 20 years my memory of the specifics in the book escape me. But the overall jist of it was the hidden truths, the deceptions and the overall insanity of the man and the church that served as the proverbial final straw.

Final straw I say as by then I had already tired of spending thousands and thousands of dollars for intensives only to have the auditor tell me my needle was floating, some 90% of the time. "Thank you, your needle is floating (read that 'you are at peace') that'll be another one thousand two hundred dollars".

I recall having read somewhere where Hubbard had said that any pc that had a consistently floating needle was really screwed up (worse than others), which really cracked me up, so to speak. For according to Hubbard then, Siddartha, Jesus, Vivian (my spiritual mentor) etc were really really screwed up. Lol. Which in part explained for me why spiritually enlightened individuals rarely if ever remained in scientology. The bull shit con game became evident rather quickly.

As a side note, I remember when my wife and I were driving home after having just completed the 'communication course'. We were both so embarrased at the infantile level of it, along with the fact that we just spent hundreds of dollars for it, that we sat in silence the whole way home. LOL!

Throw in the 'study tech' (lol) complete with the clay demo game and any thought that L. Ron Hubbard had discovered some earth shattering spiritual reality (equal to the discovery of fire) unraveled with relative ease.

The book then, as I say, was the final straw.

Mojo