Shelly Miscavige being treated for cancer?

[BunnySkull]

Now take this with a grain of salt but there was an interesting comment from Matt Pesch (who I believe is Amy Scobee husband) on Marty's blog saying he heard Shelley Miscavige was being treated for cancer in Southern California. The exact post was:


Mat Pesch | December 15, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
While we are on the subject – I was recently told by a decent source that Shelly Miscavige has also been getting cancer treatment at a hospital in southern CA. I haven’t verified this for myself. If true, I wish her the best.

8Here's the link to the comment (http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/drop-kick-me-througmh-the-goalposts-of-life/#comment-169898)

Has any one else heard anything else about the long vanished Shelley?

Also interesting was Marty's statement about Jessica Feshbach being in hospice diagnosed with leukemia.


martyrathbun09 | December 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Reply
I heard it and it is a crying shame if true. We could do something about it were she and her husband not zombified beyond power of choice.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/drop-kick-me-through-the-goalposts-of-life/#comment-169861

Is Marty implying he can cure cancer? Or am I misreading this?

Just thought these tidbits merited discussion - mods please move this to the Martyworld forum if that's it's proper place. Just thought since it was mainly about a rumor concerning Shelley it might go better in here.

[Mike Laws]

I have no more information on these two, other than heard the rumor on feshbach from another source as well.

I am confident with a different piece of data ... Annie Broker has stage 5 lung cancer.

[Petey C]

I wish I could click "Like" for these two pieces of information, but really I only want to click "Sad". I wonder whether they look back over their lives and think, what a waste, or whether they think, next time I'm gonna have longer legs and a better temper. I hope they get better. And if they don't, I hope they rest easy.

[lotus]

Very very very sad

What a waiste of lives and suffering

Despite what scamology teach - this life is precious - it's the only one we have NOW

[greebly]

Poor Shelley:(

I really hope noone holds back on any treatment at all.

[BunnySkull]

I have no more information on these two, other than heard the rumor on feshbach from another source as well.

I am confident with a different piece of data ... Annie Broker has stage 5 lung cancer.

Awful to say this but I have no doubt DM is relieved if Annie is dying - he has kept her captive for 30 years living in terror of her leaving and revealing what she knows. The fact he's had her ex Pat watched by PIs for decades speaks volumes.

Marty has spoken about his operation to capture and return her to Int after she blew and attempted to go to her then husband Jim Logan. I wonder how things would have turned out if she would have been able to make the break and if she would be facing an early death. The stress,horrible living conditions and lack of medical care at Int definitely contributes to early deaths.

[xseaorguk]

I'm sure Miscavige would be quite happy for his wife Shelly to disappear or die too, and they all take what they know to the grave with them and don't get the chance to spurt it out.

[dianaclass8]

So well said...lives wasted.

It is sad that this is happening. However, it would be nice if they finally came out and had integrity and tell everything before they die.

Rather than sticking to the lies and deception until the last breath like Dr Gene Denk and others did. Denk knew about the death of LRH and I am sure that he knew that he was going to die too...yet he protected the criminals until the end.

Same with the infamous lawyer, Earl Cooley who was there at Ron's bedsite when he dies in mysterious conditions.

All these characters never recovered dignity or integrity and took the truth to their tombs.


Awful to say this but I have no doubt DM is relieved if Annie is dying - he has kept her captive for 30 years living in terror of her leaving and revealing what she knows. The fact he's had her ex Pat watched by PIs for decades speaks volumes.

Marty has spoken about his operation to capture and return her to Int after she blew and attempted to go to her then husband Jim Logan. I wonder how things would have turned out if she would have been able to make the break and if she would be facing an early death. The stress,horrible living conditions and lack of medical care at Int definitely contributes to early deaths.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

So well said...lives wasted.

It is sad that this is happening. However, it would be nice if they finally came out and had integrity and tell everything before they die.

Rather than sticking to the lies and deception until the last breath like Dr Gene Denk and others did. Denk knew about the death of LRH and I am sure that he knew that he was going to die too...yet he protected the criminals until the end.

Same with the infamous lawyer, Earl Cooley who was there at Ron's bedsite when he dies in mysterious conditions.

All these characters never recovered dignity or integrity and took the truth to their tombs.

Actually, I think they bellieved they were doing the right thing...saving the planet, greatest good, and all that.

I think they probably felt pretty good about themselves.

And it is probably true too with Shelly Miscavige.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Stat]

I guess, that ends the whole "Where is Shelly Miscavige?" thing, as long as it's
fully confirmed. And if it is the case, I am pretty sure her last name, legally, is not
Miscavige anymore. She is off loaded, in a quiet disgrace atmosphere, but probably still guarded closely,
even in a hospital, under a "spiritual support" disguise, to prevent any PR flaps. God, this is sad.

[Petey C]

Actually, I think they bellieved they were doing the right thing...saving the planet, greatest good, and all that.

I think they probably felt pretty good about themselves.

And it is probably true too with Shelly Miscavige.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I don't know about that. I suspect that the presence of death is actually likely to make some folks a bit more clear-eyed about their past. Neither Shelley nor Annie were stupid; they may have made bad choices and took the wrong road, but I think the "still, small voice of calm" can sometimes speak very clearly.

[Kutta]

Don't forget, neither of these 2 stories, about Annie and Shelley, have been confirmed.

[Mike Laws]

Don't forget, neither of these 2 stories, about Annie and Shelley, have been confirmed.

Though I can't provide details, Annie Brokers cancer is a secret from the peons, but not from the higher ups. I have no personal question as to its authenticity.

Ms Feshback/Davis, though have heard the same rumor from two unconnected sources, it is not confirmed. Unconfirmed.

Shelly, unconfirmed, and wouldn't even pay much information to it except for the source ... Matt Pesch ... Amy Scobe's husband, both of whom are long time friends. You don't see tin fol or false rumour or hasty conclusion from Mat.

[Gadfly]

Actually, I think they bellieved they were doing the right thing...saving the planet, greatest good, and all that.

I think they probably felt pretty good about themselves.

And it is probably true too with Shelly Miscavige.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Ah, but per Hubbard himself, "the thetan KNOWS", deep down, "the thetan KNOWS".

Deep down, probably far below any conscious awareness, they do KNOW they were suckers who helped perpetrate an immense scam on others.

That applies to every one of them, for those who have stayed in Scientology for years and years despite all the many obvious reasons, evidence, personal observations, and glaring contradictions why they shouldn't have.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Ah, but per Hubbard himself, "the thetan KNOWS", deep down, "the thetan KNOWS".

Deep down, probably far below any conscious awareness, they do KNOW they were suckers who helped perpetrate an immense scam on others.

That applies to every one of them, for those who have stayed in Scientology for years and years despite all the many obvious reasons, evidence, personal observations, and glaring contradictions why they shouldn't have.

I disagree. I was with two Scientologists at different times when they were very near death. Also, based on what I heard about six others they all died as true believers.

Don't forget, "the Thetan knows" is part of the trap and is only true for true believers.

They "know" Hubbard is right.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Gadfly]

I disagree. I was with two Scientologists at different times when they were very near death. Also, based on what I heard about six others they all died as true believers.

Don't forget, "the Thetan knows" is part of the trap and is only true for true believers.

They "know" Hubbard is right.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Yeah, I know. I was just "playing" with ideas.

But, IF one is actually some spark of the Infinite, as a fundamental spiritual awareness that underlies ALL mental constructs, including "beliefs", and that underlies ALL time and space, then on some level, and to some degree, what Hubbard said might be true about "the thetan knowing". :confused2:

But no doubt, human beliefs often act as TRAPS. They lock any person into a framework of reality where ALL is seen and experienced in alignment with the "convictions". And THAT is just a small part of the mental apparatus that some forms of Buddhism address and aim to eradicate. Bye-bye any and all "beliefs". Bye-bye that noisy and pretentious interfering "mind". See, as long as any person accepts and wallows in some system of belief, where Scientology is just one example out of many, the person is forever CUT OFF from seeing and experiencing what is actually there right in front of them. In other words, honest observation and judgment is impossible for any person who sees the world through the darkly-colored glasses of his or her arbitrary belief system.

The MIND interferes with, interprets and "preconditions" raw reality along the lines of the "beliefs". Most people are unaware of that aspect of mind. I have NEVER met a Scientologist who wasn't very much UNAWARE of that aspect of a mind. They cannot notice this in themselves. They are blind to it. Though, granted, yes, so are many other people. Self-awareness isn't very high on the list of importances in this (or any other) century.

And, in Scientology they are supposed to be "increasing awareness". :duh:

[Good twin]

The Scientologists I know who died and knew they were dying were mainly concerned with avoiding the implant stations. (and getting back "in the game")

It's been said "There are no atheists in hospice". I suppose when a person is dying he will cling to whatever gives him peace. I see no reason to destroy the delusions of a dying man (or woman). And I sincerely doubt that anyone has a great moment of clarity before they die. I think they just retreat into whatever beliefs comfort them.

The sad thing is that Scientology teaches us that we get sick because of being in proximity of the wrong people or failing to apply the correct technology correctly to our relationships with people.

Did I get cancer because I blew from the church? Did I get cancer because I have unhandled ethics cycles? Did I get cancer because my case was not addressed correctly? Or did I get cancer because the lifestyle I chose as a Scientologist was so stressful and unbalanced that my immune system was compromised and even when i was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease I still failed to be able to make healthy lifestyle changes?

Possibly none of the above. I'm just glad that I didn't get cancer ten years ago while I was still a Scientologist. Can you imagine the advance program I'd be c/sed for? My oncologists gives me green tea while we discuss my treatment. I'm going to survive.

My heart breaks for the sick and dying Scientologists. Not so much because they are sick and dying, but because they probably are full of guilt. It's not their fault. That's the part that sucks. Scientology makes you guilty for everything that happens in your life and in the whole freaking universe.

Thank you Ron.

[TheRealNoUser]

....http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/drop-kick-me-through-the-goalposts-of-life/#comment-169861

Is Marty implying he can cure cancer? Or am I misreading this?
Of course Marty can cure cancer. So can any Scientologist. It's very easy and is documented by LRH. In Hubbard's 1975 edition of his book, History of Man, Hubbard wrote on page 20, "Cancer has been eradicated by auditing out conception and mitosis."
http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/medical1.html

The big question is why David Miscavige would not simply order his finest auditor to "audit out conception and mitosis" on his dear wife. Does he want her dead? Or could it possibly be that he knows Scientology is a complete and utter load of crap?

[Lermanet_com]

(snip)

The big question is why David Miscavige would not simply order his finest auditor to "audit out conception and mitosis" on his dear wife.

Does he want her dead?

Or could it possibly be that he knows Scientology is a complete and utter load of crap?

Both..

[Sindy]

All sorts of authorities tell us, based on investigation that we shouldn't eat such and such foods, shouldn't use this or that chemical, shouldn't take this medication or go in this tanning bad, shouldn't microwave in plastic, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

We are warned on a daily basis about what we should or shouldn't do because these things may cause cancer and yet Scientology clearly, to even any layman, has demonstrated that something in its environment causes cancer. The numbers are too great and the age of onset too young to be written off as the norm but unfortunately this goes unnoticed.

I am not a Scientist and I am not sure anyone is ever going to find out the exact cause of these cancers but it is obvious that SOMETHING about Scientology causes cancer.

[Tiger Lily]

All sorts of authorities tell us, based on investigation that we shouldn't eat such and such foods, shouldn't use this or that chemical, shouldn't take this medication or go in this tanning bad, shouldn't microwave in plastic, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

We are warned on a daily basis about what we should or shouldn't do because these things may cause cancer and yet Scientology, that clearly to even any layman, has demonstrated that something in its environment causes cancer. The numbers are too great and the age on onset too young to be written off as the norm but unfortunately this goes unnoticed.

I am not a Scientist and I am not sure anyone is ever going to find out the exact cause of these cancers but it is obvious that SOMETHING about Scientology causes cancer.

I remember when I was "in" I asked a lot of questions --annoyed the heck out of people I think. But I remember asking about all the smoking, and I was told that smoking actually prevents cancer, that the wog world was in "fear". (reference is here if you're interested:http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-stop-smoking/stick-cigarettes-they-prevent-lung-cancer-l-ron-hubbard-73431.html )

I was told numerous times "it's only a body", you don't have to feed it well or take care of it. "Thought is senior to MEST" I remember being told that if you're really spiritually free you don't need food at all.

I was told that cancer was only a second dynamic abberation -- a prenatal engram about mitosis, and it was easy to fix through auditing.

I was assured that the "merchants of fear" were just out there purposely creating a dangerous environment where cigarrettes, junk food, chemicals in tap water etc. cause cacer and I shouldn't go the effect of it.

This as I watched staff members living on hot dogs and twinkies, gallons of soda, hot pockets, candy bars, and smoking like chimneys. Not sleeping (there was work to be done), never relaxing, always stressed. . . .

I have been told by doctors and by cancer patients that cancer cells pop up in everyone, but that healthy immune systems usually take care of it as it happens. If people are run ragged physically, nutritionally, emotionally, their immune systems are going to eventually be stressed to the point of not functioning well, and I saw many a staff member past the point of exhaustion for weeks/months on end.

The Scientology "lifestyle" is not conducive to good health. I'm not a bit surprised to hear that the cancer rate is so high there. I'd imagine other diseases are prevalent as well.

[SweetnessandLight]

All sorts of authorities tell us, based on investigation that we shouldn't eat such and such foods, shouldn't use this or that chemical, shouldn't take this medication or go in this tanning bad, shouldn't microwave in plastic, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

We are warned on a daily basis about what we should or shouldn't do because these things may cause cancer and yet Scientology clearly, to even any layman, has demonstrated that something in its environment causes cancer. The numbers are too great and the age of onset too young to be written off as the norm but unfortunately this goes unnoticed.

I am not a Scientist and I am not sure anyone is ever going to find out the exact cause of these cancers but it is obvious that SOMETHING about Scientology causes cancer.

How about being on the Freewinds and being exposed to blue asbestos, the most toxic form?

How about working or living in buildings where un-permitted and un-inspected "renovations" are being carried out by unlicensed and unprotected Sea Org members, EPF's or RPF's, who often are working with old building materials that were permeated with asbestos? That stuff was in old wall coverings, ceiling tiles, flooring, some insulation etc. as a fire retardant...some old buildings are just full of it, and instead of ripping it all out and tearing it up, thus making it go airborne to be breathed in or swallowed, you are supposed to cover it over and wall it in for safety.

Living and working in conditions that wouldn't pass a health and safety code inspection.

And being in a constant environment of smokers and smoking...

not to mention all the stress, both internal and external...

Gee, there really is no mystery to it for me. Also the fact that much of the soil and groundwater in and around Int base and elsewhere in the country is polluted with known carcinogens...

We can sum it up to say that Scientology is dangerous to your health in more than one way...

Let me add this, most hospital treatment for cancer is outpatient treatment, unless you are undergoing surgery or some other procedure.

Call me paranoid, but it does occur to me that this is an excellent mechanism to control someone who is being babywatched...and to gain their cooperation. Have a doctor see them, draw blood and run some tests, or have a chiropractic doctor do some x-rays in his office and "send them out" for a radiological consult, and then be told by a third party that they have cancer. It would be a pretty easy game to run on someone who was already worn down, disturbed or fearful, and in a dependent position. Most of us have aches and pains when we are older, and many are subtly afraid of getting cancer anyway. This might tend to introvert and keep someone distracted and focused on their own well being and be grateful for being babywatched, and cooperate with the program that someone else has laid out for you. Most long time Sea Org members are fairly dependent personalities anyway, or they wouldn't have stuck with the cult for so long. Of course, they could always also be getting audited for mitosis, which would allow their handlers to explain any remission or "cure", if enough time goes by. And many cancers are very slow growing, which would also be an explanation for passage of time with no perceptible change. All right, call me paranoid, but I think those two women in particular need to be worried about by the outside world as designated for "special handling" by upper cult executives at Dave's orders. Think about Mary Sue Hubbard and the last years of her life.

Maybe they really do have a form of cancer, it's pretty common, and if so, I hope they are getting good medical treatment, not by some Scientologist doctor like a chiropractor, and I wish them all the luck in the world for a full recovery. .

Neither Shelly nor Annie will ever be offloaded. Both of them are much too dangerous to David Miscavage, for what they know about him and the cult that he runs.

I hope that it is not true, but if it is, being in a hospital being treated for cancer might seem like a sunny vacation compared with living in the RPF for years.

[Gadfly]

I am not a Scientist and I am not sure anyone is ever going to find out the exact cause of these cancers but it is obvious that SOMETHING about Scientology causes cancer.

Yeah, in the non-Scientology world one of the key factors is called "stress".

Another is anger. Another is suppressed resentment. Another is hate. All of these exist in the culture of Scientology, and all are heavily suppressed and submerged in the minds of many Scientology members. :ohmy:

Involvement with Scientology creates MANY "enemies" and acts to separate one from the rest of Mankind and the Universe. Examples:

The evil SPs.

The evil psychs.

The ignorant wogs.

Degraded Beings (DBs) are worthless.

Downstats are to be reviled.

The out-ethics public are to be abhorred.

The view that ONLY Scientology holds the correct answers, and that ALL OTHERS are "wrong". And, that they are "bad" as a result. ONLY Scientology and Scientologists are admired.

The view that all earlier philosophers had it wrong and that ONLY Hubbard had it right. More disdain for all that has been and is.

The view that ALL others are walking entirely in the dark, and that they are misguided and bound to utterly fail unless they accept and endorse Scientology.

Accepting Hubbard's many ideas causes THAT sort of disassociation and spiritual disconnection from MANY segments of reality, people, groups, the world and society. I have read some theories that have the opinion that a PART of many cancers, and other debilitating illnesses, is "negative emotions", such as hate, anger, resentment, and hostility. While environmental physical factors such as toxins, poisons, cigarette smoke, solvents and other factors surely contribute to various illnesses and diseases, such as cancer, to me, there is no doubt that various MENTAL factors also very much contribute to the exacerbation, if not the onset, or many illnesses and diseases.

Besides creating enemies with others, as I see it, Scientology also gets a person to dislike themselves (on a deep level), because one is tricked into pretending to be various things he or she is not (OT, abilities, aware, caring, helpful, etc). Along with the necessary and mandatory cognitive dissonance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) in any card-carrying Scientologist is the attendant overall LACK OF INNER HARMONY. The person is often VERY "tense". The person has NOT attained a state where he or she is "at ease with all-that-is". Many Scientologists I knew, while imagining themselves to be "calm", were visably UPTIGHT. They are/were always worried about "doing the right thing" and "not making any waves". They were constantly "walking on eggshells". And, the various inner conflicts of cognitive dissonance cannot be healthy. But necessity ANY Scientologist who accepts and believes the standard Church of Scientology view of things MUST entertain conflciting and contradictory ideas, observations and views. Inner conflicts and contradictions are simply NOT conducive to "good mental health".

The overall oppressive nature of life in organized Scientology is NOT a health-nurturing situation. :no:

[SweetnessandLight]

I have been told by doctors and by cancer patients that cancer cells pop up in everyone, but that healthy immune systems usually take care of it as it happens. If people are run ragged physically, nutritionally, emotionally, their immune systems are going to eventually be stressed to the point of not functioning well, and I saw many a staff member past the point of exhaustion for weeks/months on end.

This is true Tiger Lily. We all get cancer every single day, and our immune system just handles is as it was evolved to do. Kind of like our doing the dishes, sweeping the walk or taking out the trash. Normal, repeditive clean up chores that we do all the time. :)

Cancer is not some outside or horrible force invading our bodies, it is our own cells which in doing their normal growth and replication have somehow gotten it wrong and gone astray and are growing funny, or wildly overgrowing. In a few instances, this happens when the body is reacting to a virus, such as the human papioma virus "causing" cervical cancer, but "cancer", which is just either an overgrowth of cells or a distortion of the normal growth in our own cells, is a natural organic process that goes on constantly in us, and our immune system just seeks out and sweeps up these cells that have gotten their pattern wrong or are wildly overgrowing.

Think of baking biscuits from scratch to feed a really big group of people, like for a Thanksgiving meal for a community. In the rising and baking process, some of them will come out perfect, some will come out o.k., but there will be a couple that have something wrong...maybe they are not quite cooked through and a little doughy inside still, or one was too close to the oven wall and got a bit scorched on one side. As a good and conscientious baker, you will inspect the biscuits as they come out of the oven and cool, and you will discard the ones that really just aren't right, that you wouldn't serve to a hungry person. That's kind of what the process is like. It's all about quality control! Of your cells as they grow and repair themselves from free radical and other damage. Your immune system is the baker and your cells are the biscuits :biggrin: I hope that analogy helps somebody.

Knowing this helps to remove some of the fear that many people have about cancer, especially for those who had a parent or older family member deal with cancer and are afraid of getting it themselves. Relax folks, you've already got it, we all do! :) Just do everything you can to keep your immune system as healthy as possible, avoid known carcinogens wherever possible, and don't worry about it so much. Let your body take care of it's business as it knows how to do. Be an ally and assistant to your body in this process by taking good care of yourself. :thumbsup:

[lotus]

Relax folks, you've already got it, we all do! :) Just do everything you can to keep your immune system as healthy as possible, avoid known carcinogens wherever possible, and don't worry about it so much. Let your body take care of it's business as it knows how to do. Be an ally and assistant to your body in this process by taking good care of yourself. :thumbsup:

That's what it is!

Bad habit - toxic environments - strong persistant stress - traumas - despair - constant frustration - bad nutrition - inhability to enjoy life - smoking - sleep deprivation - pollution , weak genetic, ecetera

are all contributives factors that would aligned and create favorable conditions to weaken the immune system tha twould not succed to eliminate cell that do not behave normally

To reverse the process, apart from medical treatment, one has to asses his bad habits and rebuild a sane emotional - work - house environment and clean what have to be cleaned.

Most of people who overcome cancer will tell that they made major changes in their life and thinking pattern or focus in life.

[Lermanet_com]

a quote about cancer: (don't recall source)

"The best way to prevent cancer
it to take care of yourself
as if you already have it"