Ship of Shame on ACA tomorrow

[Free to shine]

Just caught a promo for this, "Ship of Shame" about how Aussies were lured to the ship and could not escape. It will be tomorrow night Aussie time, just getting a thread ready. :biggrin:

[Zhent]

I assume you are referring to a certain Scientology cruise ship and not the partially submerged Italian cruise ship. :biggrin:

Thanks for the notification, I will certainly have the recorder ready and my finger on the upload trigger!

[scooter]

Moar folks speaking out about being imprisoned on the DeathWinds and moar explosive revelations!!!!! :biggrin:

Moar allnighters fer OSAspawn of ANZO:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

It's soooooooo nice to be out of that toxic, insane cult and just watch the insanities from a safe distance - it's like watching an ants' nest that's been stirred up with a stick and you know the ants won't bite you, just the stick.:coolwink:

Life is good :yes:

[Free to shine]

I assume you are referring to a certain Scientology cruise ship and not the partially submerged Italian cruise ship. :biggrin:

Thanks for the notification, I will certainly have the recorder ready and my finger on the upload trigger!

Yes indeedy! :biggrin:
Thanks!

[Free to shine]

Promo clip:

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/tonight-on-aca/x86xxav

[degraded being]

Promo clip:

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/tonight-on-aca/x86xxav

Looks good.

[Kutta]

Wow! Brainwashing, mind control .... sounds mighty promising! :happydance:

[Lohan2008]

2 hours to showtime.

:drama:

[SweetnessandLight]

I hope they talk about the blue asbestos, David Miscavige poisoning his highest paying customers...and loyal workers.

:drama:

[Sindy]

2 hours to showtime.

:drama:

After it airs, how long until someone can get it up on ESMB? :biggrin:

I would like to watch when I get up 5 hours from now.

[Zhent]

After it airs, how long until someone can get it up on ESMB? :biggrin:



I can try for youtube in 7 minutes.


Edit: Though I hasten to add, the scheduling is different where I live and ACA airs 30 mins later here :(

[Free to shine]

Synthia, Zhent will be working on it as I type.

It was an excellent segment that concentrates on being a prisoner on the Freewinds, though of course Virginia says "it's all lies". The presenter made a great comment on that! They even had a clip of Marty talking about passports being held ( and only that). It will be up soon I am sure.

Thanks to everyone featured, I'm not going to try and name names because it is too hot here and my brain is fried. :)

[Free to shine]

I hope they talk about the blue asbestos, David Miscavige poisoning his highest paying customers...and loyal workers.

:drama:

Yes, they mention asbestos!

[Emma]

The new report looks to feature Ramana Dienes-Browning story this time.

Tony O covered her story in the VV
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... ewinds.php (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/12/ramana_dienes_browning_scientology_freewinds.php)

story from Last month on Valeska Paris Guider story covered by ACA
http://youtu.be/Ez-SBtRrYmU

keep an eye on Zhent's you tube channel for the New news story
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZhentSydney?feature=watch

(Post stolen from triumph on OCMB)

[Jump]

Yes, they mention asbestos!

And Virginia's standard reply that they were all lying sounded a bit *cough* hollow.

[Zhent]

Sorry it took so long, the segment was longer then I expected so it has taken 14 minutes to get up :(

http://youtu.be/DWo_BNjT6EU

Great segment though, felt a little bit odd at times but a lot of quality stuff was included, all in all pretty comprehensive for 7 minutes! Interesting that they did re-enactments, I imagine the public would of thought it was a little over the top, but we know that there was no exaggeration required for the truth...

Virginia's response was so pathetic compared with the reports presented, and the throwback line by the announcer at the end of the segment dismissing Virginia was a fucking classic:

"Yeah, they don't look like they are lying to me either... :eyeroll:"

Has to been seen to be believed! :thumbsup:


Don't forget to visit the website:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8404543/cruise-ship-was-a-prison



Scientology's ship of shame? One woman claims the controversial group is using its cruise liner as a prison. We continue our investigation into allegations against Scientology.

To read the full response from the Church of Scientology,
...click here.

"Claims made by Ramana Dienes-Browning and Valeska Paris that they were held against their will aboard the Freewinds are completely false and not backed by a skerrick of evidence. The Freewinds is a religious retreat onboard a 440 ft ship and has impeccable maritime qualifications and is much loved in all of the ports that it visits.

Ms Dienes-Browning’s own LinkedIn social media page lists her time working aboard Freewinds as part of her employment resume.

She writes that during this time she “traveled on the road doing an event on average every 2 weeks... During this time I held events in the following countries/States; England, Ireland, Germany, Austria, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Hungary …”.

This begs the question: How can her claims possibly be true if she was travelling on her own for over 5 years all over the world and is now promoting her position with the Church in her career resume? How can someone who is supposedly on board a ship without leaving for 8 years as she claims, visit landlocked countries such as Austria, Hungary and Switzerland?

Ms Dienes-Browning had an exciting position, travelling to over 35 different locations in a period of five years to promote the Church services to parishioners all around the world. She flew by herself in most instances and she even came home to Australia.

Upon leaving Freewinds, she remained a member of the Church in Sydney until turning bitter years after the fact. She has joined a small group of former Church members who have engaged in a well coordinated campaign to denigrate their formers friends and associates – to either extract money or in a bizarre attempt to take over the Church.

Ms Paris also claims she was held against her will yet the Church of Scientology has in its possession copies of numerous letters she wrote while aboard the ship in which speaks positively of the experience and how she loved working there and choose to remain on-board rather than be transferred to Los Angeles. Her claims are ludicrous.

The Church also has numerous photographs of Ms Paris and Ms Dienes-Browning enjoying themselves: on tropical beaches visited by the Freewinds; attending numerous social functions aboard the ship and ashore, including their own weddings!

The Church rejects suggestions made by SA Senator Nick Xenophon who again is fronting to the media without any facts to hand – in a continued campaign of religious vilification to incite fear and hatred against Scientologists and their Church. It’s time this discriminatory behaviour ceased.

The allegations raised by Senator Xenophon in the Senate have time and time again been proven to be false, and despite this, the Senator has not once apologised or publicly corrected the record for abusing parliamentary privilege to harm the Church of Scientology and its parishioners in Australia. To this date he has not accepted invitations to come and tour our Churches and speak with the many happy Scientologists who are contributing to their community.

Government officials, military personal, police and other dignitaries tour the Freewinds and 15,000 people from the islands went aboard the Freewinds last year alone. The Freewinds passes all of its international maritime inspections with flying colours. These officials have praised the Freewinds and its crew for their excellent service and safety. The US Homeland Security office publicly commended the Freewinds for its public service – and this is from officials who have worked closely with the Freewinds crew. They have been and looked and dealt many times with the Freewinds.

The Church yet again extends an open invitation to Senator Xenophon to visit our Church in Australia and speak with Scientologists and see for himself instead of relying on the hearsay of unreliable apostates and former disgruntled member."

Information about The Freewinds:

• The Freewinds is one of the safest ships sailing in the world. The crew are extremely well trained and can deal with any safety issue.

• All crew are trained in first aid, fire safety, the handling of life boat and crowd management. They have to know the ship from the top to the bottom and they clean every part of it. Crew are also trained in navigation, look out and receive training on the Bridge.

• They are specialists in seamanship and in 24 years there has not been one single emergency on the Freewinds.

• Everything on the ship is certified, documented and at least once a year independent inspections occur and they have all of their international certificates. Lloyd’s of London also inspects and certifies the Freewinds every year with a yearly passenger ship safety certificate.

• They have trained over 3,000 military and emergency services personnel from around the islands in marine safety, ship safety and security, emergency response and fire-fighting. They have worked with the US Coast Guard in staging mock emergency events and have been commended for their work.

The Commander, Coast Guard Atlantic Area, presented the Freewinds with the Coast Guard Meritorious Public Service award in recognition of their direct support and promotion of the Coast Guard mission in the Caribbean.

• The Freewinds has been involved in the rescue of other ships at least three times.

• The Freewinds hosts events every weekend with locals and dignitaries on board. Last year 15,000 people from the Caribbean islands came onboard. This included Prime Ministers, politicians, military representatives, police officials, and ambassadors. There school tours going through the Freewinds regularly.

• The Freewinds has sailed to 44 ports throughout the Caribbean including Mexico.

[Lohan2008]

A very well researched article, far above ACA's normal lack-luster efforts. :thumbsup:

Interesting that they actually put in re-enactments, they sure are brave for airing that. :thumbsup:

A definate "keeper" for the Exsmb files.

[Jump]

Thank you Zhent!

A job well done, sir.

[Lohan2008]

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[SweetnessandLight]

Very Well Done. and thank you Zhent! :biggrin: I waited up till the wee hours to see it...

[Magoo]

Fantastic Job by "A Current Affair" once more! Thank you, Nick Z once more: Great Job!!!
Also, a Huge thanks to the lass who spoke out. It takes great
courage to do so---and I know we all appreciate your doing so!
Also thanks to Xhent for posting this here for us to see!!! :thankyou: ALL.

:bighug:

Don't ya all just love C of $ "PR" weirdo's always raving about
how "untrue" what someone is so descriptively saying AND how
fantastic it really is? It reminds me of "Erin Brockovich" (great movie
if you never saw it). She's busting a corporation for spreading their
polluted water, and with that, creating huge illnesses/Cancers in the local people.
Their attorneys come to speak to her and her boss.

She hands them water and says, "By the way....that's water from
your company's fields. We brought it in especially for you". (The lady
WAS just about to drink it, then hearing where it was from, set it down.

OSA? "We brought this black Dianetics in especially for you--pick up
the cans, please". :yes:

Can't face your own :bs:? Read, LOOK, listen: Make up your *own* minds---to people lurking. :scnsucks: OH YES IT DOES!!!!

:hug: To all here,

Tory/Magoo

[Sindy]

Never went to bed! I waited. Thanks Zhent.

I love Nick Xenophon and Australia! We're told here, in the US, that in Australia the water drains in the opposite direction, etc. Well, I'm sure it does and just the same way as Australia is working to unwind the same Scientology that is so deeply and tightly wound in the opposite direction in the US. Go Australia! The first continent to wake the hell up.

:heartflower::biglove::hug:

[scooter]

Virginia must have Kool-Aid on a 24-hour drip to stay a True Believer these days.:duh:

To see Ginny so vacant-eyed was the only downside to the whole story.:bigcry:

Thanx Ms Dienes-Browning for telling the world your story on TV.:thumbsup:

I've been there, done that and I know how emotionally hard it is:yes:

Cult is struggling everywhere in Oz these days.:roflmao:

And, OSAspawn? - it's gonna get a whole lot worse :hysterical:

Bring dox when you blow pls.:dieslaughing:

ps - a HUGE thanx to ACA for a great, well-constructed segment.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Osiris]

A great report from A Current Affair, :thumbsup:

Congratulations & thank you to the people who came forward to tell their story, you are courageous, & helping others, by telling the truth of what goes on in Scientology :clap:

The Scientology Response of denial & calling us liars is looking more & more ridiculous as more & more people come forward & stories come out :yes:

[Zhent]

I just had a closer look at the Scientology statement on the website, wow would you look at that pile of crap!

They have chased down the poor girls LinkedIn profile, where she has tried to make SOME positive use of her imprisonment in her CV, but no the scilons seize on this "OMG OMG WHAT A LIAR LOOK HOW GOOD SHE HAD IT!!!"

NOT a creepy cult at all!



She has joined a small group of former Church members who have engaged in a well coordinated campaign to denigrate their formers friends and associates – to either extract money or in a bizarre attempt to take over the Church.

I thought this was hilarious, Scientology admitting SPs are winning? LOL



The allegations raised by Senator Xenophon in the Senate have time and time again been proven to be false, and despite this, the Senator has not once apologised or publicly corrected the record for abusing parliamentary privilege to harm the Church of Scientology and its parishioners in Australia. To this date he has not accepted invitations to come and tour our Churches and speak with the many happy Scientologists who are contributing to their community.

Hah, good luck getting an apology from Nick! I reakon he should totally take up their offer to visit the orgs, how many SPs get that chance? He could stir up some SERIOUS enturbulation whilst inside.

And would you look at this crap on their freewinds info:



• The Freewinds is one of the safest ships sailing in the world. The crew are extremely well trained and can deal with any safety issue.
• They are specialists in seamanship and in 24 years there has not been one single emergency on the Freewinds.
• Everything on the ship is certified, documented and at least once a year independent inspections occur and they have all of their international certificates. Lloyd’s of London also inspects and certifies the Freewinds every year with a yearly passenger ship safety certificate.

Not one emergency? Thousands of OT's breathing in blue asbestos not a problem? Of course not, what a silly insignificant MEST problem for those mighty OTs!

ACA should of nailed them HARD on this.

[scooter]

I just had a closer look at the Scientology statement on the website, wow would you look at that pile of crap!

They have chased down the poor girls LinkedIn profile, where she has tried to make SOME positive use of her imprisonment in her CV, but no the scilons seize on this "OMG OMG WHAT A LIAR LOOK HOW GOOD SHE HAD IT!!!"

NOT a creepy cult at all!



I thought this was hilarious, Scientology admitting SPs are winning? LOL



Hah, good luck getting an apology from Nick! I reakon he should totally take up their offer to visit the orgs, how many SPs get that chance? He could stir up some SERIOUS enturbulation whilst inside.

And would you look at this crap on their freewinds info:



Not one emergency? Thousands of OT's breathing in blue asbestos not a problem? Of course not, what a silly insignificant MEST problem for those mighty OTs!

ACA should of nailed them HARD on this.

The really sad part is 'bots like Virginia believe this to be true.

Sen.Xenophon's "allegations" have not ONCE been proven to be false, yet the OSAspawn trot out these lines and hope to make the Faithful keep believing somehow.

Tragic.

What the hell are folks like her gonna do when Davey either takes the money and runs, does His own version of Waco/Jonestown or gets hauled off to jail for His many and varied crimes?

Launch an urgent fundraiser to fight the SPs.

I used to dislike the spokeholes for the cult; now, I just pity them.

They have NO future.

At all.

[Panda Termint]

Excellent! One thing which struck me about Virginia's rebuttal was that what she accuses the Exes of doing is perfectly descriptive of what scientology actually does when it comes to covering things up (crimes, scams, farkups up etc) ie. "they get together and work out a story which everyone then forwards". Exes don't in fact do this, in my experience, but the church of scientology definitely and invariably does.

[Dulloldfart]

Interesting that they did re-enactments, I imagine the public would of thought it was a little over the top, but we know that there was no exaggeration required for the truth...


Excellent show. Thanks very much, Zhent.

I thought the re-enactments were rather tame. They should get some exes to do some *real* re-enactments. Get Marty in for one. :)

Paul

[Infinite]

. . . <snip> . . . And, OSAspawn? - it's gonna get a whole lot worse :hysterical:

Bring dox when you blow pls.:dieslaughing: . . .


^^^THIS

[Happy Days]

Great work ACA.

Ramada, it takes bravery and strength to stand up and speak out against the cult and you did an outstanding job. I thought your dad was wonderful and showed love and support for you.

As for Virginia, well no surprises there. And pointing at what all us ex's are doing, conspiring against the cult and lying :omg:, I've told you guys to stop getting together sheesh :coolwink:. And Virginia when one finger points out three always point back so let us know how it works out for ya.

Aussie OSA, wake up and get a life.... cause ya better than that :biggrin:

[Dulloldfart]

As for Virginia, well no surprises there. And pointing at what all us ex's are doing, conspiring against the cult and lying :omg:, I've told you guys to stop getting together sheesh :coolwink:.

God, yeah, all that secret worldwide co-ordination with hundreds of people to make sure we all get our lies straight. But that's not the worst part of it — it's all that *drilling* we have to do to perfect the sincerity and the naturalness of it all. It's a wonder there's any time left to live a normal life.

Paul

[Sindy]

God, yeah, all that secret worldwide co-ordination with hundreds of people to make sure we all get our lies straight. But that's not the worst part of it — it's all that *drilling* we have to do to perfect the sincerity and the naturalness of it all. It's a wonder there's any time left to live a normal life.

Paul

Yeah, that's true. I think we can keep getting away with it as long as they don't trace back and find out all the money they're paying us to do these stories. :biggrin:

[Axiom142]

God, yeah, all that secret worldwide co-ordination with hundreds of people to make sure we all get our lies straight. But that's not the worst part of it — it's all that *drilling* we have to do to perfect the sincerity and the naturalness of it all. It's a wonder there's any time left to live a normal life.

Paul


Well, some people do seem to have enough spare time to make thousands of forum posts… :whistling:

But that’s a good point Paul. The cult accuses others of doing the very thing that they do routinely when faced with a media interview. Hmmm, that rings a bell – accusing others of their own crimes – where have I read that before…?

The fact is, no one believes the cult anymore and you can see the truth in what Ramana and Valeska and the others are saying. If they just came out and said “Sorry.” for this and all the other crappy stuff, then perhaps they might get some respect.

But no, with all the lying and then more lies to cover the earlier ones, they have nowhere left to go.

Edit:

Ooops – forgot to say that this was a great programme and a testament to all the hard work that the Aussies and Kiwis do in exposing the cult.

Keep up the good work – OSA must be going mental trying to stomp on all the fires as they break out. :)


Axiom142

[Sindy]

Well, some people do seem to have enough spare time to make thousands of forum posts… :whistling:

But that’s a good point Paul. The cult accuses others of doing the very thing that they do routinely when faced with a media interview. Hmmm, that rings a bell – accusing others of their own crimes – where have I read that before…?

The fact is, no one believes the cult anymore and you can see the truth in what Ramana and Valeska and the others are saying. If they just came out and said “Sorry.” for this and all the other crappy stuff, then perhaps they might get some respect.

But no, with all the lying and then more lies to cover the earlier ones, they have nowhere left to go.

Axiom142

Brainwashing people means never having to say you're sorry. (Am I making too many posts? :coolwink:)

[Free to shine]

Brainwashing people means never having to say you're sorry. (Am I making too many posts? :coolwink:)

I really like that!

And from someone who has a lot of posts .... don't ever worry about that. :) Seriously, it is a subject that has come up quite a few times, like if you post too much you don't have a life or something. That is a judgement based on incomplete facts and well... we had enough of that.

[Arthur Dent]

Excellent work by ACA!

These stories may seem somewhat unbelievable against all the prettiness of the ship and the money and the fact that no one was holding a gun to anyone's head. Plus the "system" is designed to make you look like you're nuts once you've had enough! This video gave lots of support to the story though!
Bravo!

I agree with Paul, the reenactments were weak. I expected more! No one does yelling like a scientology "senior." Someone needs to give these actors lessons in ripping someone a new one!

OSA must be loving this! Bye, bye OSA. :storm:

[Dulloldfart]

And from someone who has a lot of posts .... don't ever worry about that. :) Seriously, it is a subject that has come up quite a few times, like if you post too much you don't have a life or something. That is a judgement based on incomplete facts and well... we had enough of that.

Quite true in my case, though. My user name isn't arbitrary. :)

Paul

[Smilla]

The Cult of Scientology's reputation is damaged beyond all hope of repair. I remember when journalists were frightened of saying anything negative about them, but it seems a long time ago now.

Many thanks and respect to the first few who had the courage to speak the truth, and those who carry on the work.

http://www.lermanet.com/paulette-cooper/paulette-cooper-2007.jpg

[Lohan2008]

God, yeah, all that secret worldwide co-ordination with hundreds of people to make sure we all get our lies straight. But that's not the worst part of it — it's all that *drilling* we have to do to perfect the sincerity and the naturalness of it all. It's a wonder there's any time left to live a normal life.
Paul

Obviously Virgina has never seen the mess of threads that occurs daily at Esmb.

OSA: Virginia needs to do her TR-L's again...
What is the relationship between blink rate & lying ??

[Sindy]

Obviously Virgina has never seen the mess of threads that occurs daily at Esmb.

OSA: Virginia needs to do her TR-L's again...
What is the relationship between blink rate & lying ??

Personally, I feel Virginia is the best liar I have seen so far. I think she's very good at lying. Too good. Frankly I am glad she is not being made the National Spokesperson. I think she could stretch out the inevitable. She's better than anyone else I've seen. In terms of slickness, she's up there with Rinder (when he was the spokesperson).

[lotus]

Personally, I feel Virginia is the best liar I have seen so far. I think she's very good at lying. Too good. Frankly I am glad she is not being made the National Spokesperson. I think she could stretch out the inevitable. She's better than anyone else I've seen. In terms of slickness, she's up there with Rinder.

It's a pity - especially as she knows that she might be one of the next to be rpf on the ship....

Anybody who lie is feared

Thank you to people who made this avalable to us for viewing on you tube
May millions of people see it and put pressure to authorities

[Free to shine]

Personally, I feel Virginia is the best liar I have seen so far. I think she's very good at lying. Too good. Frankly I am glad she is not being made the National Spokesperson. I think she could stretch out the inevitable. She's better than anyone else I've seen. In terms of slickness, she's up there with Rinder.

There are stories here - somewhere - about Virginia on a personal level. It might be time to bump them - and honestly I don't care that she is 'just another brainwashed good intentioned person". Her bald faced lies are just so monsterous it's a wonder she doesn't gag, but she is too well drilled for that. I don't envy her when the time comes she has to eat some of those words and fully recognise the harm she has done and is doing on a daily basis. :grouch:


And OSA - it is true.


You have been lied to!

Grow some balls and look outside the bubble.

[Osiris]

Virginia has appeared on A Current affair tonight .....(in a right of reply)

as you can Guess she denies everything & calls The people who appeared last night, Liars

I hope someone might post the video soon

[Free to shine]

Virginia has appeared on A Current affair tonight .....(in a right of reply)

as you can Guess she denies everything & calls The people who appeared last night, Liars

I hope someone might post the video soon

Crikey, missed that!

Here is the video on the ACA site:

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/scientology-fights-back/xygnmps

[Free to shine]

Honestly, it makes me feel queasy to watch Virginia. How can she honestly say it is a small co-ordinated group? Rhetorical question.

It really makes me angry. I know this isn't nice but I really hope she gets busted into the Hole or something ... somewhere fluttering your eyelashes isn't going to work, and has a taste of what so many have endured. I really, really do! :angry:

[I told you I was trouble]

Virginia is just doing her job, which happens be BAREFACED LYING and anyone who ever worked in cofs PR is chosen because they demonstrate proficiency at it.

:yes:

One day she will realise what she has done and I don't envy her when that moment arrives, especially where her disconnected from (and recently deceased) Father is concerned.

[Wayne Kerr]

Well we all know who Leila McKinnon believes... and it's not that freewinds promotional video..

[Osiris]

YouTube version

Ship of Shame Virginia's Reply (18/01/12)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LgEh5a3rmA

[Osiris]

I think Virginia looks lost, & the least credible of all the people interviewed :yes:

in the end, more of a win for us, to repeat it again :thumbsup:

How can Scientology continue to lie & cover up like this & not expect to get a big kick in the Ass by the TRUTH at some point in the not to distant future :omg:

[Wayne Kerr]

Interesting Virginia does interviews with A Current Affair. She never does interviews with Lateline reporters anymore.

[Helena Handbasket]

From the ACA video:

"It's more like the Hotel California -- you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

:roflmao:

Helena

[Sindy]

Here's the reason I think (from a non-Scn public's perspective) that Virginia is a good liar and better than others that have gone before her:

She is pretty. She appears kind in comparison to say, for example, the "inch wives". She looks right into the camera and lies her ass off without the the usual seething vitriolic invective so often seen. She's slick. She's pleasant to watch. She is GONE. She is worse off than Tommy who seriously melted down, showing he had a conscience.

It is impossible for anyone to effectively lie for the Church of Scientology. The public has their number. Still, I think some might want to at least try to listen to Virgina. Unfortunately for the C of S, they can't give her anything substantive to talk about and the ruse fails.

[Feral]

You know, I don't know which was more damning, the original story or the Cof$ fight back.



Here's the reason I think (from a non-Scn public's perspective) that Virginia is a good liar and better than others that have gone before her:

She is pretty. She appears kind in comparison to say, for example, the "inch wives". She looks right into the camera and lies her ass off without the the usual seething vitriolic invective so often seen. She's slick. She's pleasant to watch. She is GONE. She is worse off than Tommy who seriously melted down, showing he had a conscience.

It is impossible for anyone to effectively lie for the Church of Scientology. The public has their number. Still, I think some might want to at least try to listen to Virgina. Unfortunately for the C of S, they can't give her anything substantive to talk about and the ruse fails.

All that is true. When Virginia and her enormous team went before the Parliamentary Inquiry into charitable organisations she lied with the same skill. I was a little worried about how she might affect the way our evidence was viewed, calling us apostates and all. Well a quick survey of the clerks and onlookers found them pissing their pants at her transparent bullshit, they were poking logical holes all through it.

[Smilla]

I thought it was a great bit of journalism, and the witnesses/complainants were wonderful.

[Cherished]

Don't forget to visit the website:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8404543/cruise-ship-was-a-prison
thanks again, Z.

I went to the website but I can't see the article or the CoS response!

[Thrak]

I just watched Virginia's reply trying to be as objective as possible and to me it seems she has nothing to stand on. She just couldn't come up with any logical explanation as to why these people would be lying. You can hear the insinuation they always use about "look at the person saying it" but the problem with that is that that only works in the scn programmed mind as they can come up with no real evidence to show these people are criminals or any such thing. Instead they seem to just want to lead normal lives.

She's probably a better face than Tommy Davis was, and since the job is now open it will be interesting to see if she gets the call for the position, but the "church" just simply has no credibility and flat denials without accepting the slightest possibility that the church could be in the wrong just doesn't work.

[Zhent]

Virginia has appeared on A Current affair tonight .....(in a right of reply)

as you can Guess she denies everything & calls The people who appeared last night, Liars

I hope someone might post the video soon

Good spotting! Wish I could of recorded it, luckily someone else did. I got a decent webrip off their website anyway (and stashed it on my youtube).

The new video was mostly a rehash from yesterday but they did have new content from BOTH sides. Virginia is a good liar, but Ramana is a better truth teller!! CoS will never beat this, truth will always win!


thanks again, Z.

I went to the website but I can't see the article or the CoS response!

Wow thats weird, they have actually REMOVED the CoS response! Good thing I quoted it in a previous post in this thread.


BTW, unless I am mistaken, Virginia is being interviewed at the Dundas Seaorg base yes? The reporter should of asked for a tour!

[Ogsonofgroo]

You know I donlt know which was more damning, the origional story or the Cof$ fight back.




All that is true. When Virginia and her enormous team went before the Parliamentary Inquiry into charitable organisations she lied with the same skill. I was a little worried about how she might affect the way our evidence was viewed, calling us apostates and all. Well a quick survey of the clerks and onlookers found them pissing their pants at her transparent bullshit, they were poking logical holes all through it.

Cool beans! Me like!

I have been unable to view Virginia's reponse (ie. haven't found it~ attention span of a flea atm), but I've no doubt CoS chooses carefully for the best face/liar/indoctrinated as spokes-hole du-jour. Am off to see if I can find it and do my 'body-language' watch (one of my minor amusements).
I thought the ACA interview was awesome too, but had to wait till posted on YT, oh well.
Kk, got it now, thanks to post 44!

Currently here~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3LgEh5a3rmA

By the way Zhent have I told ya lately that ya ROCK! Thanks for all you do man!
:cheers:

And yup, Virginia is a skilled liar and diversionist, her image drips with ickyness. *shudder*

[Div6]

I was reflecting on this earlier today....what struck me about her response is that SHE believed what she was saying. Scn is run on a compartmentalized "need to know" basis, so she feeds the "good roads, good weather" lines with some genuine earnestness. (Unlike Tommy Davis, who came across as a wannabe thug under the direct coaching of David Miscavige.) But in the face of overwhelming contrary data (which she is insulated from) the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" posture has become so transparent that even the media aren't buying it anymore.

Soon, an implosion will occur (much like the Catholic Church with their pedophile problem) and it will be interesting to see if there are any people left in the organization that will be able to deal with it.

My magic 8 ball says "No".

[Jump]

... it will be interesting to see if there are any people left in the organization that will be able to deal with it.

My magic 8 ball says "No".




http://youtu.be/WOdjCb4LwQY

[Helena Handbasket]

Two predictions:

(1) Sometime soon, some government is going to raid the ship looking for prisoners.

(2) Before that happens, all the prisoners will be taken off and put elsewhere.

Helena

P.S. It's called the Freewinds, but if anyone asks, they'll point out that people are not winds. :)

[Happy Days]

Can I just say that here in Oz, Fair Work Ombudsman office need to follow through on their investigation and move forward and inspect the cult's workplace practices to ensure it is doing the right thing by its staff.

This is the closest we have ever gotten in getting this corrupt organisation investigated for its workplace practices and I just want to see some movement.:angry::angry:

Also Virginia is not going to say 'Yes, we have investigated and found that there are areas we, the Church, need to improve on to ensure the safety of our religious order workers. We are at fault and we are now in the process of changing our policies and procedures to ensure this does not occur again and make restitution to those who have been wronged.' End of quote .... this is never never going to happen ... to admit fault is a death sentence for the cult and a stint on the RPF for Virginia.

The long hours of work, poor sleep and nutrition, poor dental health and physical conditions, substandard living conditions throw in the hard core discipline programs, overboarding, rocks and shoals, physical abuse, no money, no hope of escape due to the controlled environment and the hopeless of it all .... is nothing more than conditioning of ones mind and that is a form of brainwashing regardless of what Ms Steward says.
SO org members are subjected to this abuse daily, 7 days a week for 16 hours a day and to placate the SO member the SO throws in the odd pizza and movie night just to show that all that hard work and mistreatment was worth it..... BRAINWASHED for sure....

[Petey C]

I thought Virginia looked a little wobbly in the head when she was lying on Weds night. I've tested her and other exes when they've been together on the same show by asking my whole woggy family which one they believe. They all 100% believe the exes and not the Scios. Biased? Hell yes. So I ask other people who've seen the vids (and don't know about me and my unsavoury past) what they think, and they all 100% think the Scios are lying. I think it's getting harder and harder for these poor sods to lie and they know it, but it's tell the lie or go to the RPF. I've been there so I know the pressure they're under. It's just easier to stop lying and get the hell out, IMO. So Virginia, if you're reading this, just walk away; you're young and your life is still ahead of you.

[Feral]

I thought Virginia looked a little wobbly in the head when she was lying on Weds night. I've tested her and other exes when they've been together on the same show by asking my whole woggy family which one they believe. They all 100% believe the exes and not the Scios. Biased? Hell yes. So I ask other people who've seen the vids (and don't know about me and my unsavoury past) what they think, and they all 100% think the Scios are lying. I think it's getting harder and harder for these poor sods to lie and they know it, but it's tell the lie or go to the RPF. I've been there so I know the pressure they're under. It's just easier to stop lying and get the hell out, IMO. So Virginia, if you're reading this, just walk away; you're young and your life is still ahead of you.

She's over 40 and been in all her life, she'd better hurry up I think. :yes:

[secretiveoldfag]

Two predictions:

(1) Sometime soon, some government is going to raid the ship looking for prisoners.

(2) Before that happens, all the prisoners will be taken off and put elsewhere.

Helena



I wonder. They need about 200 crew just to keep the thing afloat, do the laundry, polish the brass, clean the bilges, wash the dishes, clean the bogs, How are they going to run the ship without their slaves?

[change]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/scientology_virginia_stewart_allen_wright.php#more

Whole news article on Virginia in VillageVoice this morning.

[Div6]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/01/scientology_virginia_stewart_allen_wright.php#more

Whole news article on Virginia in VillageVoice this morning.

It's a must read. Thanks to all who contributed.

[Terril park]

Crikey, missed that!

Here is the video on the ACA site:

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/scientology-fights-back/xygnmps

Is this a first? CO$ citing psychologists in defending itself.

[Terril park]

It's a must read. Thanks to all who contributed.

Its going to be difficult for Virginia to ever be a spokesperson again.

[Dulloldfart]

Its going to be difficult for Virginia to ever be a spokesperson again.

Oh, I'm sure she'll manage somehow.

Paul

[Petey C]

She's over 40 and been in all her life, she'd better hurry up I think.

40 is the new 30!


I wonder. They need about 200 crew just to keep the thing afloat, do the laundry, polish the brass, clean the bilges, wash the dishes, clean the bogs, How are they going to run the ship without their slaves?

I think this is something fundamental to Scn. Hubbard must have realised that people with a mission would work for nothing, and his whole empire is built on the premise that labour would be more or less free. Scn could not be sustained if it had to pay proper salaries. Thus IMO the fundamental premise of Scn is now economic.

[Happy Days]

'A Current Affair' is a Nine Network show :yes:

And then we have Kate Ceberano also being paid by the Nine Network for shows like 'Excess Baggage' coming soon, a celebrity weight loss show and Kate's the presenter and then there's the travel show 'Getaway' where she does a weekly segment.

How does that sit for this OT being part of a network that attacking her church?

How does she justify it all on her Eligibility?

Does she watch the other Nine Network shows and aware of the abuse and criminal behaviour of David Miscavige and the SO in general?

Interesting :biggrin:

[Panda Termint]

Obviously, seeing/hearing a thing is sometimes different from being aware of that thing. :biggrin:

[Kookaburra]

I just watched Virginia's reply trying to be as objective as possible and to me it seems she has nothing to stand on. She just couldn't come up with any logical explanation as to why these people would be lying. You can hear the insinuation they always use about "look at the person saying it" but the problem with that is that that only works in the scn programmed mind as they can come up with no real evidence to show these people are criminals or any such thing. Instead they seem to just want to lead normal lives.

She's probably a better face than Tommy Davis was, and since the job is now open it will be interesting to see if she gets the call for the position, but the "church" just simply has no credibility and flat denials without accepting the slightest possibility that the church could be in the wrong just doesn't work.

Virginia is a very smooth liar, but after Tony Ortega's expose of her disconnection from her father, she will be hiding in the basement along with Vicky Dunstan (mother of Scarlett Hanna) at the first whiff of a reporter, critic, or anon in the vicinity.

[degraded being]

'A Current Affair' is a Nine Network show :yes:

And then we have Kate Ceberano also being paid by the Nine Network for shows like 'Excess Baggage' coming soon, a celebrity weight loss show and Kate's the presenter and then there's the travel show 'Getaway' where she does a weekly segment.

How does that sit for this OT being part of a network that attacking her church?

How does she justify it all on her Eligibility?

Does she watch the other Nine Network shows and aware of the abuse and criminal behaviour of David Miscavige and the SO in general?

Interesting :biggrin:

I'd like to see her mission orders for who, and how, she has to get close to in the TV network, and what her "valuable final products" are.

[Miss Pert]

'A Current Affair' is a Nine Network show :yes:

And then we have Kate Ceberano also being paid by the Nine Network for shows like 'Excess Baggage' coming soon, a celebrity weight loss show and Kate's the presenter and then there's the travel show 'Getaway' where she does a weekly segment.

How does that sit for this OT being part of a network that attacking her church?

How does she justify it all on her Eligibility?

Does she watch the other Nine Network shows and aware of the abuse and criminal behaviour of David Miscavige and the SO in general?

Interesting :biggrin:

She doesn't have to do eligibility anymore, I believe she completed OTVII & VIII a couple of years ago. She may have trouble when they release OTIX & X but then again she, like the rest of us, will most likely have "dropped the body" by the time that happens. :biggrin:

[Happy Days]

She doesn't have to do eligibility anymore, I believe she completed OTVII & VIII a couple of years ago. She may have trouble when they release OTIX & X but then again she, like the rest of us, will most likely have "dropped the body" by the time that happens. :biggrin:

Good to read she has all her OT powers :biggrin:, cause I didn't know she was complete on those levels.... so we should have seen some big things from Kate Ceberano and not frying other fish with shows called Excess Baggage :coolwink: with another Scio Christine Anu who had a couple of hits sometime in the 90's or early 2000, then she got involved in Scio and well that's the last we heard of her, happy to be corrected on this, perhaps she had some other hits recently that I'm unaware of. Or maybe she's trying to resurrect her career through exposure on a fat blasting show, and yes Christine has put on a few pounds.

Weren't the New OT VIII's suppose to come back and HANDLE their areas, you know 'clear it' :dieslaughing:? Oh yeah they may not have completed their Basics so that could be why.... or are those pesky SP's out smarting them with their powersssssssss. :biggrin: