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GoNuclear
20th January 2012, 10:38 PM
It just hit me. I was pondering what the hold is that DM and the Cof$ has over Tom Cruise, and then the simplicity of it struck me ... TC is a mooch, plain and simple. Now what do I mean by a mooch?

Way back when, as in the early 80's, I went from gig to gig working various WATS line operations. WATS = Wide Area Telephone Service. Back then, some of you may remember, phone calls outside of your own area code were expensive, but, you can reach a lot more people by phone than by knocking on doors. Hence the WATS line operation. The operator would be given a break on per call charges, because they were making tens of thousands of long distance calls monthly. A high volume WATS line operation could easily have a $50,000 to $100,000 or more phone bill on a monthly basis, no shit. In fact, that was their greatest cost of doing business. All of the guys working the phones were on straight commission ... there was absolutely no such thing as salary or draw or salary plus. If a newbie came in, he was given a pitch sheet, a desk with a phone, and a stack of lead cards to call. If he didn't have orders by the end of a week he was gone, plain and simple.

There were different types of phone rooms with different products, different dress codes, different commission structures, different caliber of people, etc, etc, etc. On the high end were brokerages pitching gold and silver coin contracts, investment gem stones, strategic metals, oil and gas leasing limited partnerships, etc. These required a higher caliber of salesman. Newbies would tend to die like flies, but, there were 10k per week commission hustlers, which back in 1981 was really good money.

There were the low end phone rooms with the least professional salesmen doing promo deals. The high end of the high end was about 1200 bux per week. If you got someone off the street who wasn't lame or totally braindead ... i.e., could read off a pitch sheet, always sound upbeat, not stutter, and could think on his feet, you could have him making 500 bux per week after a week or two. Still not bad for back then considering skill level. These rooms were often the most fun to work, with balloons to pop after each order to see what the bonus was, which was usually a 1 or 2 dollar cash spiff. Generally a younger group of salespeople.

Then there were the in between rooms ... mid range ... selling various things like plumbing supplies, machine tools, truck tarps, etc. And there was one particular selling game that fit into this mid range, and that was OFFICE SUPPLIES. The thing about office supplies that was different than the other selling gigs ... the rooms were smaller, usually run by the Hungarians, they wouldn't hesitate to rip off the phone companies any way they possibly could, or anybody else for that matter. They cut corners. In fact, they were phuggen crooks short of sticking guns in people's faces, but always looking for a new scam. The good thing about these ops ... you kept your own book. Every other phone room you either fronted or loaded. If you were fronting, you were opening accounts, doing all the cold calling, but some pro in the back room was working the guy you opened and loading him and making the big money. In any other room, every frontman was a wannabe loader. In office supplies, you kept your own book, meaning if you were strong enough to eek out a living opening new accounts for 4 or 5 months, the game would get sweeter and sweeter as a larger and larger percentage of your business would be from accounts that you loaded and re-loaded. A good office supply guy who knew and understood what the game was and what the limit was of what you could get away with, would, after about a year ... first year in the biz was the toughest ... be taking down 1500 per week and it would be a fairly laid back gig. There were pros that did double that, but an average pro who was slightly lazy or liked doing other things like playing poker would be doing 1200 to 1800 per week.

"Ok, ok, Pete, get to the phuggen point already!!!" Don't worry, I'm there, and will tie it back to TC ... the question was how to sell office supplies on the phone at higher than retail costs when they could get the same thing down the block at some office supply house for less money. The answer: (drum roll here) BECAUSE THEY WERE MOOCHES FOR PREMIUMS!!!!!! The name of the game for the salesman is to FIND AND CULTIVATE MOOCHES, at least in the office supply biz. The opener call didn't involve that so much, but, an initial order at least qualified the buyer as stupid enough to pay more than he or she had to over the phone. But how to load the account ... IT CAME DOWN TO BRIBING THE BUYER.

The premiums would start small but get larger. Various knick knaks like you might get if you smoked like a chimney and saved your Marlboro Miles. It would start with cheap cameras, graduate to gym bags, better luggage sets, various pieces of furniture, portable boom boxes and TV sets, etc. Finally, when you had your mooch trained to accept being invoiced twice for the same order, accepting orders that were short shipped ... that is, only half of what was ordered, double invoiced, then the balance of the order, again double invoiced ... in otherwords, paying 4 times for the order ... that is when you would start offering cash bribes or sometimes an oz of weed or a few grams of toot. USUALLY, the buyer had no stake in what was being ordered, as they were spending company money. Once in awhile you could fish in the honcho of a company, and there they would be hooked on getting a suprise with the order. That was the hook ... THEY WERE MOOCHES FOR THE SUPRISE.

THAT BRINGS IT BACK TO TC ... I believe he is a mooch for being suprised. Just like the office supply game ... there was a "real reason" ... i.e., you needed the office supplies ... with TC the "real reason" is he is "helping to clear the planet" ... he can always hang his hat on that ... but he is, at heart, a mooch that DM cultivated. Just like when you send in 100 bux for some TV evangelist you get something from his premium catalog ... just like the mooch who allows himself to be sold office supplies on the phone ... TC is hooked on the premiums, the suprises. The money is not much of an object, not when you are worth half a billion or at least close to that if not more. The thrill is to have the leader of your religion, your pope, give you a premium that can't be had elsewhere. For instance, the TC bike done with Sea Org labor. Same with that van with the burl countertop and other burl trim. Or that presentation for valor in 2004 where he had his ego stroked in front of that crowd. Or a b'day bash on the AsbestosWhiff aka The Breakwinds. Or even some puddypie ... after all, guess who hooked him up with Katie, and followed them around on their honeymoon to make sure his needle was hard, er, oops, I mean floating?

Tommy is being played, we all know that. The how is that he is hooked on premiums. The difference between him and your ordinary Marlboro Miles catalog mooch is just the size and value of the premium.

But here is a clue for stinkerette smokers ... it would be far cheaper to just buy the damn premium than to smoke all of those packs of stinkerettes to get them. And here is a clue for TC ... just buy your own toys, that is cheaper than donating to the Cof$/IAS. But it is more than that ... it's collecting all those silly coupons or having your pope pat you on the back. Now THAT is being moochified.

Pete

ClearEyed
20th January 2012, 11:14 PM
Or maybe just your plain ol garden variety narcissist:

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-0) in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(social)), prestige and vanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#cite_note-millon-1) Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to egocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egocentrism)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Of course, that can apply to DM, too. And Hubbard.

Which leads to the conclusion that narcissists are not above toadying to other narccisists when there is something in it for them.

Pooks
21st January 2012, 02:13 AM
I was thinking Tom Cruise is more of a mook than a mooch.


mook

(adj) a jerk; not that nice of a person.
That guy just bumped into you, and didn't even say sorry. What a mook!

freethinker
21st January 2012, 03:12 AM
Tom Cruise also considers himself an eliteist.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/23/article-2078149-0F43DBE400000578-903_468x763.jpg


While Tom and Suri were spotted skating with the rest of the general public, it was also said that the star hired out a VIP area, according to The New York Post.

The 'Igloo' is a completely private zone, where skaters can keep warm in between skates.
'Tom rented it for an entire session



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2078149/Inside-Suris-5-000-ice-skating-adventure-Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-splash-VIP-experience-year-old.html#ixzz1k3hC7iGO


Or maybe just your plain ol garden variety narcissist:

"Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder)[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-0) in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_(social)), prestige and vanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#cite_note-millon-1) Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to egocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egocentrism)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Of course, that can apply to DM, too. And Hubbard.

Which leads to the conclusion that narcissists are not above toadying to other narccisists when there is something in it for them.

freethinker
21st January 2012, 03:30 AM
I found this mesmerizing and strange.
It has a surprise ending.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cw_igh0RrBc

GoNuclear
21st January 2012, 07:07 AM
I found this mesmerizing and strange.
It has a surprise ending.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cw_igh0RrBc


Yes, it was both lovely and freaky. But, speaking in symbolic terms here ... don't expect TopGun Tommy to sit thru it all the way and view the last several frames, not if his buddy is there to get him another premium.

Pete

GoNuclear
21st January 2012, 07:25 AM
Tom Cruise also considers himself an eliteist.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/23/article-2078149-0F43DBE400000578-903_468x763.jpg


While Tom and Suri were spotted skating with the rest of the general public, it was also said that the star hired out a VIP area, according to The New York Post.

The 'Igloo' is a completely private zone, where skaters can keep warm in between skates.
'Tom rented it for an entire session
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2078149/Inside-Suris-5-000-ice-skating-adventure-Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-splash-VIP-experience-year-old.html#ixzz1k3hC7iGO

From what I have heard, TC is an asshole when it comes to people coming up to him in public, but so are a lot of celebs. What it boils down to ... fame can be an asspain, especially when you want to just hang out and be left the phug alone and not be bothered by photographers, well wishers, people wanting autographs, people who want to bogart your time asking you questions about your career, etc ... when you just want to hang out with some chick and maybe go to one of those sleasy little hole in the wall places that has the best genuine NY style pizza pie and order some slices and a pitcher of cheap assed beer to have with your new prospective g/f and just hang out and have fun. So since TC can afford it, why not rent the igloo, its for his daughter who won't be at that fun age any longer than anybody elses kid.

My point in starting this thread tho ... TC is controlled by his buddy the pope of Hemet in the same fashion that my phone room buddies and I would atempt to control office supply buyers ... thru bribery, sometimes suprises, and just getting them moochified. The numbers are a bit bigger in the case of TopGun Tommy and so are the premiums.

Pete

ClearEyed
21st January 2012, 07:49 AM
... fame can be an asspain, especially when you want to just hang out and be left the phug alone and not be bothered by photographers, well wishers, people wanting autographs, people who want to bogart your time asking you questions about your career, etc ... ...

I know, damn paparazzi won't leave me alone either. Adoration gets so tiresome...can't go anywhere without my bodyguards. (joking of course!)

My big beef with ol Top Gun is that he's seen RPFers and the enormous difference between their lives and DM's, and and has personally benefitted from RPF labor. Deliberate ignorance.

GoNuclear
21st January 2012, 09:15 AM
I know, damn paparazzi won't leave me alone either. Adoration gets so tiresome...can't go anywhere without my bodyguards. (joking of course!)

My big beef with ol Top Gun is that he's seen RPFers and the enormous difference between their lives and DM's, and and has personally benefitted from RPF labor. Deliberate ignorance.

The spiritual blindness doesn't come on all at once ... it starts by going along to get along with little things and then sneaks up on someone to the point where they have been trained to lie to themselves over the big things and to look right at something and refuse to see it for what it is. It is a weakness that is simply a part of the human condition. In the case of Topgun Tommy, DM had an entire crew working his case to fish him back into the cult. He was gone after the way that, for instance, the CIA would go after a Soviet diplomat to turn him into a CIA asset or the way that the KGB would do the same to us. It was a velvety smooth seduction operation that was run on him. Hopefully, the Debbie Cook thing has started or advanced his wakeup process.

Pete

theoriginalblankman
31st January 2012, 01:26 AM
I saw Tom Cruise on the set of Mission Impossible 4, it was pretty interesting. He really is fascinated and still extremely interested and enthusiastic about film - but is an absolute magnet in the strangest way. He really is one of the famous people in the world; I noticed while he was around that it was hard for anyone else around to do anything or think about anything or converse about anything other than Tom Cruise. It's odd to imagine yourself in his shoes; what are the exact psychological effects of being a person that is only surrounded by people casting their attention directly towards you, to the point where they deny all other things?

CarmeloOrchards
31st January 2012, 02:18 AM
From what I have heard, TC is an asshole when it comes to people coming up to him in public, but so are a lot of celebs. What it boils down to ... fame can be an asspain, especially when you want to just hang out and be left the phug alone and not be bothered by photographers, well wishers, people wanting autographs, people who want to bogart your time asking you questions about your career, etc ..

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Pete

I've been with Tom (4 people in our party), walking out of a movie (not in LA), when he was recognized. In, literally, the blink of an eye, there were a dozen people asking for an autograph. He was completely gracious. I was freaked. I was just like Hard Day's Night.

CarmeloOrchards
31st January 2012, 02:21 AM
I saw Tom Cruise on the set of Mission Impossible 4, it was pretty interesting. He really is fascinated and still extremely interested and enthusiastic about film - but is an absolute magnet in the strangest way. He really is one of the famous people in the world; I noticed while he was around that it was hard for anyone else around to do anything or think about anything or converse about anything other than Tom Cruise. It's odd to imagine yourself in his shoes; what are the exact psychological effects of being a person that is only surrounded by people casting their attention directly towards you, to the point where they deny all other things?

We ( a group of 6 including Tom) were in Century City eating in a Mexican restaurant.

A big stretch limo pulled up. Everyone in the restaurant looked to see "who" got out. It was a sheik. No one noticed TC.