AOSH ANZO staffer robbed of suitcase of money

[Zhent]

http://inner-west-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/crime-report-march-1-2012/


■ GLEBE: An elderly Church of Scientology staffer was robbed of a suitcase of money and his colleague was threatened with a machete in an attack last Friday. Leichhardt police said the staffers were walking along Greek St about 4.15pm. As they crossed Broadway carpark on Bay St, a large, solidly-built man ran grabbed the suitcase from behind. The handle broke as he struggled with the 72-year-old victim. The thief ran back towards Greek St and the other staffer chased him. A second offender, wielding a large machete, approached and the chaser backed off. A third man, who was driving a black BMW, fled with the men. Police said the registration was for a confirmed stolen BMW taken during a break and enter at Bellevue Hill last month.

Wow WTF! Can anyone provide more info?

[Pooks]

http://inner-west-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/crime-report-march-1-2012/



Wow WTF! Can anyone provide more info?

Holy Xenu! I can't wait to here more about this. A suitcase of money!

[Panda Termint]

The 72 year old victim was probably John Waterhouse. Wayne might have been there but I think he's younger (?).

I feel very sorry for John, he's a lovely guy and will be wondering wtf? he did to "pull it in". :duh:

I'm guessing it would have been the standard Friday banking, Pooks. They're very predictable.

[TG1]

:drama:

What the hell is he doing with "a suitcase of money"? Where was he taking it? How did the robbers know an elderly man would be carrying a suitcase of money anyway? Who pays with cash these days -- at least to the tune of a "suitcase" full of it?

This is an inside job.

:drama:

TG1

[johnAnchovie]

Holy Xenu! I can't wait to here more about this. A suitcase of money!

I am very glad that nobody got hurt, yet. I can't help but just not feel sorry for COS at all, what I feel is that lovely old schadenfreud. I am sure the sec checking an PTS handlings will be long and torturous, the liability condition and amends making by the robbed for having the sheer bloody affront to get robbed will be even more arduous, poor buggers will probably have to pay the money back personally from their paltry pay. And yet, I am sure Scientology has an insurance policy against such losses, so will get the money back that way and the money from from poor pts staffer, so scientology comes up trumps either way. Hip Hip Hooray!!

[Auditor's Toad]

:drama:

What the hell is he doing with "a suitcase of money"? Where was he taking it? How did the robbers know an elderly man would be carrying a suitcase of money anyway? Who pays with cash these days -- at least to the tune of a "suitcase" full of it?

This is an inside job.

:drama:

TG1

So , one of the thiefs from the stealing church of sintology stole from the churchs bagman.

Who the fuck cares?

[Rene Descartes]

I know we don't care about the money. But I know we do care about the severe Ethics handling that those guys are going to be going through. And given how Ethics can sometimes get out of control I could picture the whole staff having to go through hell.

Rd00

[La La Lou Lou]

We need to get money to the bank, I know what, we'll give a suitcase of cash to a senior citizen!

Church of unusual solutions.

[RogerB]

Holy shitzen! What's become of my beloved Sydney!

Stunts like this on a public street in broad daylight!?!

It certainly looks like the villains well know of the content of the target's suitcase!!!! Hmmm . . . .

R

[Panda Termint]

Glebe is a hotbed of criminality, Rog, and I'm not just talking about the CofS! :wink2:

Some of Sydney's most notorious and a multitude of petty crims live and work out of Glebe. I well remember the shock and dismay of many ANZO Public when we first learned of the AO's relocation there. Glebe is also full of artists, it kinda reminds one of Hubbard's "Earth as a Prison Planet" story.

[RogerB]

Glebe is a hotbed of criminality, Rog, and I'm not just talking about the CofS! :wink2:

Some of Sydney's most notorious and a multitude of petty crims live and work out of Glebe. I well remember the shock and dismay of many ANZO Public when we first learned of the AO's relocation there. Glebe is also full of artists, it kinda reminds one of Hubbard's "Earth as a Prison Planet" story.

I'm getting up to date, Mate . . .

I always remembered that Glebe was a semi-slum cum industrial area, even when I lived there. But robbery in broad daylight . . . never happened 50-60 years ago.

Though, in 1991 when I was in Oz fixing personal affairs, I learned from my brother of the new (then) level of criminality in Sydney . . . his house in Paddington got burgled etc . . . .

He blamed it on the behavior of the immigrant classes . . . rather like the recent revelation and charges brought against the entrenched Russian immigrants in NYC for conducting a $150+million medicare fraud in the US. The comment in the press was that they came here already with the mentality that they had to be criminal to survive.

Even in the surf club, the lament among my buddy old-timers was on how the youngsters would steal anything not nailed down . . .

How times change! :grouch:

Rog

[randomx]

I`m not a scientologist or criminal , but I can`t help but wonder if the Class Four org
might have had something to do with this.

One should see if they won the birthday game for that week over the A.O.
Possibly by a suitcase worth of cash.

Either way I don`t like to hear about innocent people losing suitcases full of money.

That`s why I am "Lying Apostate." (Non contributor.)

[Zhent]

One should see if they won the birthday game for that week over the A.O.
Possibly by a suitcase worth of cash.)

The timing of this is certainly interesting, right on the second last week of the birthday game 2012, where I imagine the amounts of money would be some of the highest year round?



I`m not a scientologist or criminal , but I can`t help but wonder if the Class Four org
might have had something to do with this.


Coincidently Sydney's Class V Org just moved location and would be in need of a quick cash injection to pay bills, but they surely would not be involved in robbing their sister Org.

[Happy Days]

Yes, Panda you're probably right on John Waterworth. He would definitely be shaken by the whole incident and I hope he's OK.

He will certainly not avoid a serious PTS handling and sec check as well as probably having to repay the money, as he's on the old age pension so that will now become the cults :angry::angry:. And you can guarantee that as sure as God made little green apples the AO has no business insurance which cover such events :no::no:

Not good timing at all with Hubbard's last week of birthday just around the cult corner.

The CoS would be better off paying a Chubb security to come and collect the funds on Thursday or whatever day it needs to bank its funds. But they won't so stupid is as stupid does :yes:

[Miss Pert]

:drama:

What the hell is he doing with "a suitcase of money"? Where was he taking it? How did the robbers know an elderly man would be carrying a suitcase of money anyway? Who pays with cash these days -- at least to the tune of a "suitcase" full of it?

This is an inside job.

:drama:

TG1

TG1, the bank is literally around the corner from the AO, and EVERY Friday the lovely old man from treasury would be going to bank to collect the cash to pay the staff their $50. As Panda said, predictable. This also means that the staff probably didn't get their $50 this week, I doubt the cult would fork out for it again.

[Outethicsofficer]

Their risk management in the handling of cash and other items has been out for a very long time. Way back in the 80s I recall the case of an SO member who was wanting to leave only just prior to him being given a cash cheque of around $8000 which was to pay for mailings, bulk mail out that sort of thing, well he left alright...with the money.

But as usual the cult cannot change.:ohmy:

On a personal note I sincerely hope John or whomever it was is okay.

[Feral]

Wow.

Considering all the bad press the cult has received for it's abuses I think I know who did it.

It was either Ned Kelly or Robin Hood.

:lol:

I'm sorry for the victims of this particular crime as I'm sorry for the victims of the Cof$ , but I have to say; I think it's going to get a lot worse for those that are shilling for the criminal scam cult of the church of Scientology.

You drongos in sailor suits are not popular.

Just sayin'.

[RolandRB]

Somebody please explain why this suitcase was full of money. It won't be from the day's income as that will be credit cards and checks. If it is the weekly wages for the staff then that would have been in cash but not a lot of it. Not enough to fill an envelope, let alone a suitcase. So if it is a suitcase of cash then who donated the cash and why cash? And how would the criminal world know that there would a a man carrying a suitcase of cash to the bank on that day? If they bank the weekly takings on a Friday at that time then how did the local criminals know that that week there would be an especially huge amount of money being banked as cash?

[Kookaburra]

:drama:

What the hell is he doing with "a suitcase of money"? Where was he taking it? How did the robbers know an elderly man would be carrying a suitcase of money anyway? Who pays with cash these days -- at least to the tune of a "suitcase" full of it?

This is an inside job.

:drama:

TG1

No, TG1, this is the Australian press. It's kinda like the British press. Absolutely outrageous exaggerations and wild WTF statements to try and get people to read their article.

Sounds like the guy was on the way to the bank, not from it so would only have had that part of the weeks GI that was cash. Not much money, I'd say. Probably got some very pissed off robbers if they thought they were taking advantage of Scientology's unprecedented expansion. :whistling:

[Miss Pert]

Somebody please explain why this suitcase was full of money. It won't be from the day's income as that will be credit cards and checks. If it is the weekly wages for the staff then that would have been in cash but not a lot of it. Not enough to fill an envelope, let alone a suitcase. So if it is a suitcase of cash then who donated the cash and why cash? And how would the criminal world know that there would a a man carrying a suitcase of cash to the bank on that day? If they bank the weekly takings on a Friday at that time then how did the local criminals know that that week there would be an especially huge amount of money being banked as cash?

The report just says a suitcase of money, not a suitcase full of money. "Suitcase" is probably briefcase and nowhere does it say a huge amount of money was stolen. The thieves just knew that the little old man went to the bank around that time every Friday and that there would be money in the case. It could be the thieves were very disappointed once they opened the case. :yes:

[RolandRB]

The report just says a suitcase of money, not a suitcase full of money. "Suitcase" is probably briefcase and nowhere does it say a huge amount of money was stolen. The thieves just knew that the little old man went to the bank around that time every Friday and that there would be money in the case. It could be the thieves were very disappointed once they opened the case. :yes:

The stolen BMW would have been worth more than they took.

[xseaorguk]

somebody beat me to it to say that it was probably Robin Hood stealing from the rich to give to the poor.:eyeroll:
Yeh, and what did they do to pull this in?:unsure:

[Mick Wenlock]

Their risk management in the handling of cash and other items has been out for a very long time. Way back in the 80s I recall the case of an SO member who was wanting to leave only just prior to him being given a cash cheque of around $8000 which was to pay for mailings, bulk mail out that sort of thing, well he left alright...with the money.

But as usual the cult cannot change.:ohmy:

On a personal note I sincerely hope John or whomever it was is okay.

ah,suitcases and SO cash :eyeroll:

One SO organization paid to have cash taken over Lake Como to Switzerland - the fee was, I believe, 3% and the criminal organization that ran the pipeline never once missed the Thursday deadline and never once was there anything lifted.

[Outethicsofficer]

ah,suitcases and SO cash :eyeroll:

One SO organization paid to have cash taken over Lake Como to Switzerland - the fee was, I believe, 3% and the criminal organization that ran the pipeline never once missed the Thursday deadline and never once was there anything lifted.

Obviously criminals stick together and abide by unwritten code of not ripping each other off..well in this case they did.

[Happy Days]

Well pay backs a bitch... the cults been robbing the public for decades so the return flow makes me smile...

It may have been an inside job someone who knows the routine and called on their gang mates to take the dosh... only guessing :biggrin:

Although, it's the SO members who will probably not get paid, food may be rationed and the public will be regged to assist to making ends meet because it's the birthday week of their dead cult creator ....:angry:

[Petey C]

Though, in 1991 when I was in Oz fixing personal affairs, I learned from my brother of the new (then) level of criminality in Sydney . . . his house in Paddington got burgled etc . . . .

He blamed it on the behavior of the immigrant classes . . .

That's a pretty simplistic answer, Rog. It was more likely to be young Australian males of all/any ethnicity addled with drink and/or drugs. The early 90s were the high days of heroin in Sydney, and also a time of high interest rates (18%) and "the recession we had to have" -- no excuse but crime rates tend to go up when people lose their jobs and need ready money for their daily hit. Paddington like Glebe is an inner city 'burb and easy for the stealing classes to get to.

Just sayin'. (As someone who's been a migrant wherever she went.)

[RogerB]

That's a pretty simplistic answer, Rog. It was more likely to be young Australian males of all/any ethnicity addled with drink and/or drugs. The early 90s were the high days of heroin in Sydney, and also a time of high interest rates (18%) and "the recession we had to have" -- no excuse but crime rates tend to go up when people lose their jobs and need ready money for their daily hit. Paddington like Glebe is an inner city 'burb and easy for the stealing classes to get to.

Just sayin'. (As someone who's been a migrant wherever she went.)

And well said, Petey.

My brother did mumble on about the "out of work" scene.

His house was Palmer St., between Oxford and William, with Woods Lane on his back fence for easy burglar use :melodramatic:

But I'll tell you for free :biggrin: every time I've been back to Oz since '65, about once every 10 years, I feel like a bloody tourist! :ohmy:

Rog

[TG1]

But I'll tell you for free :biggrin: every time I've been back to Oz since '65, about once every 10 years, I feel like a bloody tourist! :ohmy:

Rog

My friend, just imagine how the aboriginals on every continent feel. LOL!

TG1

[Petey C]

And well said, Petey.

My brother did mumble on about the "out of work" scene.

His house was Palmer St., between Oxford and William, with Woods Lane on his back fence for easy burglar use :melodramatic:

But I'll tell you for free :biggrin: every time I've been back to Oz since '65, about once every 10 years, I feel like a bloody tourist! :ohmy:

Rog

That's pretty much Kings Cross fringe, the locus of most heroin dealing and injecting. Since the injecting room and the rise of other competing drugs, heroin use has been on the slide. It also had a self-selecting consequence (death).

[Outethicsofficer]

But I'll tell you for free :biggrin: every time I've been back to Oz since '65, about once every 10 years, I feel like a bloody tourist! :ohmy:

Rog


And no doubt some truth in that. :)

[Thrak]

I went to Glebe and hung out at "The Different Drummer" and got smashed two nights in a row. A great time. Didn't know it was a bit sketchy. Oh well I'll still go back if I go to Sydney again.

[RolandRB]

The stolen BMW would have been worth more than they took.

It seems they were on their way to the bank and might well have had a suitcase full of cash. Maybe as much as $100k with it being near the Birthday Game date.

The vodka will be flowing in Glebe. :)

[Happy Days]

It seems they were on their way to the bank and might well have had a suitcase full of cash. Maybe as much as $100k with it being near the Birthday Game date.

The vodka will be flowing in Glebe. :)

Assuming the cult is making any money here in Oz and $100,000 cash :roflmao::roflmao:

I say swigs of vodka and no hangover .... :biggrin:

[RolandRB]

Assuming the cult is making any money here in Oz and $100,000 cash :roflmao::roflmao:

I say swigs of vodka and no hangover .... :biggrin:

Don't discourage the robbers. They are doing very useful work. :happydance:

[namaste]

Are you sure this wasn't just a routine reg cycle?

[Auditor's Toad]

I know we don't care about the money. But I know we do care about the severe Ethics handling that those guys are going to be going through. And given how Ethics can sometimes get out of control I could picture the whole staff having to go through hell.

Rd00

The staff is there by choice. The staff can blow.....when they have had enough of the " "severe ethics handling" of "having to go through hell".

Yes, the staff is decent people and deserve better. They need to reach for it.

[Panda Termint]

The staff is there by choice. The staff can blow.....when they have had enough of the " "severe ethics handling" of "having to go through hell".

Yes, the staff is decent people and deserve better. They need to reach for it.
Choice? Hmmm, lemme see... just how many options do you think a 72 year-old man who has lost the love of his remaining family and given away everything he once owned thinks he has available to him after 3 or 4 decades of living in the Sea Org bubble? Seriously?

[Outethicsofficer]

Choice? Hmmm, lemme see... just how many options do you think a 72 year-old man who has lost the love of his remaining family and given away everything he once owned thinks he has available to him after 3 or 4 decades of living in the Sea Org bubble? Seriously?

Ain't no choice in that is there Panda! A John Waterworth or Wayne Saddler will stay where they are til they die!

James

[Panda Termint]

Sadly, I agree. :bigcry:

[RolandRB]

Don't discourage the robbers. They are doing very useful work. :happydance:
I'm drinking champagne right at this moment to celebrate the robbers getting robbed. :)

[koki]

there can be only 2 story's....

1) someone stole BMW ,and just sow that guy from church,that bring week paychecks for SOs ,and he KNOW it will be enough for few sandwiches....

2) here in LRHs Bulgravia, if you have to bring money every day to Bank,and you are afraid of robbers-there are 2 possibilities....
a- rent a security ...which is expensive...
b- go to insurance company,pay some small amount of money and secure all of the money there....

that guy may be good,but what is one black eye -if you do it for LRHs birthday game....:coolwink:

ksw....:bigcry:

[Adam7986]

We need to get money to the bank, I know what, we'll give a suitcase of cash to a senior citizen!

Church of unusual solutions.

Man I know. Is that invincible attitude that the church has that LRH and DM have taught. ”We're the most ethical beings on the planet and use the tech, therefore we cannot be harmed.”

They used to do some crazy stuff like this at PAC too.

I have a feeling this was a set up though. To gain the church sympathy in an area where they are being attacked.

[Feral]

I once heard about an SO member that was beaten up in the back streets while on a job of some sort. He was crew on the Apollo. Ron himself audited him then sent him to ethics. The charge? "Damaging Sea Org property".

Things don't look good for John Waterworth. He will be *made* to repay that money from his pension as well as being charged for the crime of losing the cash.

Might be time to get the poor old sod out, I think.

[Happy Days]

I once heard about an SO member that was beaten up in the back streets while on a job of some sort. He was crew on the Apollo. Ron himself audited him then sent him to ethics. The charge? "Damaging Sea Org property".

Things don't look good for John Waterworth. He will be *made* to repay that money from his pension as well as being charged for the crime of losing the cash.

Might be time to get the poor old sod out, I think.

Yep that's exactly how it will roll out and will he make it through the handling and not become so sick that they fitness board him out ... time will tell :angry::angry:

And then where will he go the cult doesn't give a shit :angry: