OSA 'Cathy' at St Hill

[another]

I had a brief chat today with someone called 'Cathy' in the OSA department at St Hill Scientology HQ, East Grinstead UK.

We discussed my letter that I sent to the head of OSA last week

She was a bit non commital but had quite a kind voice. She assured me that the scientology fair game policy has been discontinued. So that really put my mind at rest. Could anyone tell me Cathy's surname or what sort of job she does for OSA?

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)

[exsomessenger]

Well that is a relief. fair game is cancelled. woha, wait a minute. fair game is but what about disconnection. That (per the church) is the choice that each scientologist makes independent of the COS right.

Maybe ask cathy about disconnection/ shunning. Better yet, if you want to experience it in present time. Let Cathy know that you post on ESMB and see how fast she exercises her human right to shun on behalf of a religion.

[frhidden]

I had a brief chat today with someone called 'Cathy' in the OSA department at St Hill Scientology HQ, East Grinstead UK.
...

Could anyone tell me Cathy's surname or what sort of job she does for OSA?

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)


From a previous ESMB post:

"Cathy (Catherine Julia) Sproule now appears to be Cathy Gouws."

[another]

Thank you.

I'd like to know:

what rank is she? What would her job entail? Who is above her?

[Terril park]

I had a brief chat today with someone called 'Cathy' in the OSA department at St Hill Scientology HQ, East Grinstead UK.

We discussed my letter that I sent to the head of OSA last week

She was a bit non commital but had quite a kind voice. She assured me that the scientology fair game policy has been discontinued. So that really put my mind at rest. Could anyone tell me Cathy's surname or what sort of job she does for OSA?

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)

Of course there is no fair game! These clowns were outside Marty's house for 199 days in a zealous attempt to sell some "Way To Happiness" books.

http://markrathbun.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/frontcoverphoto.jpg?w=165&h=253

[Veda]

Yet, there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a restrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology, while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public ("wog") opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.


"...With all the Private Investigator activity that Marty and Mike were reporting, in my opinion what they were reporting seemed lame and tame. In my experience with the same activity perpetrated by the Scientology conglomerate legal and intelligence dis-abler mechanism (Which Marty and Mike were a significant part of), my experiences with Private Investigator activity were far more extreme. Comparatively speaking, it seemed to me that Marty and Mike were having more of a lovers spat [with Miscavige] as opposed to a real showdown."

Jesse Prince, from about a year ago.

[Dulloldfart]

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)

Google? It's basically a way of hiding.

Hubbard also makes the point in policy that the post is the important thing, not the individual. So one asks to see the Director of Processing, for example, and not Joanie Twickers (made-up name). Useful when posts change with such frequency.

Paul

[themadhair]

She assured me that the scientology fair game policy has been discontinued. So that really put my mind at rest.
Except that the cancellation letter states “This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP”, merely the public announcing of fair game ceased.

Then there is that whole matter where, for example, Scientology tried to claim in court that fair game was a ‘core practice of Scientology’ that should be deserving of constitutional protection:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3904516586589000531

If that put your mind at ease someone should try selling you a bridge. Oh wait…

[Smilla]

Yet, there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a restrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology, while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public ("wog") opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.


"...With all the Private Investigator activity that Marty and Mike were reporting, in my opinion what they were reporting seemed lame and tame. In my experience with the same activity perpetrated by the Scientology conglomerate legal and intelligence dis-abler mechanism (Which Marty and Mike were a significant part of), my experiences with Private Investigator activity were far more extreme. Comparatively speaking, it seemed to me that Marty and Mike were having more of a lovers spat [with Miscavige] as opposed to a real showdown."

Jesse Prince, from about a year ago.

Like ruminant animals locking horns and going through a ritualised struggle, unable to actually damage each other because their anatomy prevents it.

http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/1310020184141978.jpg

[Purple Rain]

Except that the cancellation letter states “This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP”, merely the public announcing of fair game ceased.

Then there is that whole matter where, for example, Scientology tried to claim in court that fair game was a ‘core practice of Scientology’ that should be deserving of constitutional protection:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3904516586589000531

If that put your mind at ease someone should try selling you a bridge. Oh wait…

Yes, in 1984 Justice Latey found that fair game was still being practised by the "Church" despite its supposed cancellation when he decided that custody of two minor children should be awarded to the mother in order that they be protected from the influence of Scientology.

See Arnie Lerma's page about it (http://www.lermanet.com/cos/justicelatey.htm).

[degraded being]

I had a brief chat today with someone called 'Cathy' in the OSA department at St Hill Scientology HQ, East Grinstead UK.

We discussed my letter that I sent to the head of OSA last week

She was a bit non commital but had quite a kind voice. She assured me that the scientology fair game policy has been discontinued. So that really put my mind at rest. Could anyone tell me Cathy's surname or what sort of job she does for OSA?

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)

Her surname is LIAR and her job is to lie. The way to greet her is not :
"Hi Cathy", but, "Lie Cathy".

[British Mom]

I had a brief chat today with someone called 'Cathy' in the OSA department at St Hill Scientology HQ, East Grinstead UK.

We discussed my letter that I sent to the head of OSA last week

She was a bit non commital but had quite a kind voice. She assured me that the scientology fair game policy has been discontinued. So that really put my mind at rest. Could anyone tell me Cathy's surname or what sort of job she does for OSA?

(no one at St Hill seems to give their surname - is there any specific reason for that?)

There was a Cathy Spoule when I was there, but I left in '95, so not sure if its same one. She was on the RPF for years, obviously got out of there in the end. She was in OSA.

[another]

From a previous ESMB post:

"Cathy (Catherine Julia) Sproule now appears to be Cathy Gouws."

So it's probably Cathy Gouws ne Sproule.

Does anyone know what her present job entails?

How long has she been a scientology staff member?

What previous posts has she had?

What information would she have on staff and public scientologists?

Why was she on the RPF and how long for?

I just would really like a CV of the people I'm communicating with at St Hill.

Thank you everyone at esmb for all the helpful information!

Cathy says someone is going to write me a letter in reply to my letter. Somehow (and I may be wrong) I don't think it's going to be a very warm or compassionate missive but I'm interested to see what it says.

[HCO Chief]

Tom Sproule, who was D/CO Ethics and Image CLO UK when I was there, was Cathy Sproule's husband, even though he never saw her for years, but he left the SO and remarried so I doubt she is still a Sproule if that is the same woman. Fair game was never truly cancelled, it's worse than ever.

[Dulloldfart]

Huh? Cathy was married to Jim Sproule when I was at Saint Hill (1972-86).

Paul

[Mick Wenlock]

So it's probably Cathy Gouws ne Sproule.

Does anyone know what her present job entails?

How long has she been a scientology staff member?

What previous posts has she had?

What information would she have on staff and public scientologists?

Why was she on the RPF and how long for?

I just would really like a CV of the people I'm communicating with at St Hill.

Thank you everyone at esmb for all the helpful information!

Cathy says someone is going to write me a letter in reply to my letter. Somehow (and I may be wrong) I don't think it's going to be a very warm or compassionate missive but I'm interested to see what it says.

Cathy was Judy Tampion's communicator back in the days of the GO, when the GO got nuked she joined the SO and morphed happily into OSA. She was CO OSA UK when I was there in 87. I heard that she got RPFed a while back not sure why. Might be worth asking around about that.

So bear in mind she has been hard core for over 30 years.

She is not going to cut you any slack, she is going to think that every delay she can put in your way is a victory, every time she can put you off is a win.

She will try to get you to back off, to be "polite" she will act hurt and she will try to convince you that by easing up on her it will make things go faster.

DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

Her job is to destroy you and win for Hubbard. make no mistake about it.

[another]

Cathy was Judy Tampion's communicator back in the days of the GO, when the GO got nuked she joined the SO and morphed happily into OSA. She was CO OSA UK when I was there in 87. I heard that she got RPFed a while back not sure why. Might be worth asking around about that.

So bear in mind she has been hard core for over 30 years.

She is not going to cut you any slack, she is going to think that every delay she can put in your way is a victory, every time she can put you off is a win.

She will try to get you to back off, to be "polite" she will act hurt and she will try to convince you that by easing up on her it will make things go faster.

DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

Her job is to destroy you and win for Hubbard. make no mistake about it.

Thank you. That's crystal.

[Axiom142]

What Mick said.

Plus, don’t be tricked into trusting her or any other cultist. They might act all nice and friendly, but if you as much as look as though you might be anti, she will throw you under a bus. And then tell everyone how it was all your own fault.

Someone who knew Cathy and was friends with her way back when they both worked at St Hill, made the mistake of having a friendly chat with her a few years ago, reminiscing ‘bout the old days and all that. When it became obvious that this person was now a critic, Cathy got them fair-gamed big time.

OSA-bots purpose is to ‘protect’ their cult. Anything else is irrelevant.

When someone joins OSA, they go through a ceremony where they have to strip naked, swim in the lake at St Hill and then have a mock operation where a sheep’s heart is ‘extracted’ from their chest, labelled ‘humanity’ and burnt. This is meant to symbolise – well actually I’m not sure exactly what it symbolises – something about not having ‘human’ weaknesses anymore and devoting oneself totally and without question to ‘the cause’.

Axiom142


* Some events may have been exaggerated for dramatic effect.

[HCO Chief]

Huh? Cathy was married to Jim Sproule when I was at Saint Hill (1972-86).

Paul

Oops sorry, Tom must be her son.

[Div6]

Yet, there are no lawsuits, just guys in camera hats, and there haven't been any affidavits - of consequence - from Marty or Mike.

Both Miscavige and Rathbun&Rinder are behaving in a restrained fashion.

This is a PR war, with each side busy protecting and promoting the "good name" of L. Ron Hubbard, and the "legacy" and future of Scientology, while having a feud which allows Marty&Mike to effectively use Hubbard's public ("wog") opinion manipulation tech, which establishes them as the true&good on-Source Scientologists fighting the out-tech, off-policy, off-Source anti-Scientologists, the bad Miscavologists.


"...With all the Private Investigator activity that Marty and Mike were reporting, in my opinion what they were reporting seemed lame and tame. In my experience with the same activity perpetrated by the Scientology conglomerate legal and intelligence dis-abler mechanism (Which Marty and Mike were a significant part of), my experiences with Private Investigator activity were far more extreme. Comparatively speaking, it seemed to me that Marty and Mike were having more of a lovers spat [with Miscavige] as opposed to a real showdown."

Jesse Prince, from about a year ago.

As "public opinion manipulation tech" is a recurring meme, I would just like to point out that it pre-dates Hubbard. There is a fascinating documentary on its roots and origins, put together by the BBC, called "A Century of Self".
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9167657690296627941


Topically, this documentary traces the roots back to a nephew of Freud, and Freud's daughter Anna. Opposing the Freudians was Wilhelm Reich, and later the Self Awareness movements and EST. It concludes with showing how focus groups and polling were used effectively by the Clinton campaign and Labor Party in England. Hubbard's "tech" doesn't even come close to this degree of sophisticated application...

[another]

Thank you

[solo]

Did Cathy Sproule know fair game was "cancelled" when she was taken to the High Court for fair gaming Bonnie Woods?

Solo

[xenusdad]

Someone calling herself Cathy from Saint Hill obtained my ex-wife's personal phone number from my Scientologist brother and gave her a friendly call. She wanted to know if my ex was aware that I was attacking Scientology and also what my movements were so yes, Fair Game is truly over. They are just gathering information about private citizens for their Church records. My ex was wonderful. She told Cathy that any questions she had about me could be answered by calling me. Needless to say...

This call occurred in the evening of 18/09/2012.

Hi Cathy, if/when you read this, I just want you to know that I will make public each and every action you take against me, my family and friends. The criminal abhors daylight, right?

[Lurker5]

:bump2: /\ /\ /\ /\

[Operating Lambda]

Cathy Sproule was my Treas. Sec. at HSOL (London Day) circa 1974-1976. Personable and as effective as she could be in an impossible position - the org was chronically broke due to uplines suction. Sorry to hear she got sucked into the GO/OSA vacuum as so many of my best staff did, including all my newly trained auditors. AAARGH!

Bygones now.

JHW

[Commander Birdsong]

Cathy Sproule was my Treas. Sec. at HSOL (London Day) circa 1974-1976. Personable and as effective as she could be in an impossible position - the org was chronically broke due to uplines suction. Sorry to hear she got sucked into the GO/OSA vacuum as so many of my best staff did, including all my newly trained auditors. AAARGH!

Bygones now.

JHW

there are two kinds of top executives in CoS. some are cleared cannibals. some need more auditing

[vumba]

Cathy was Judy Tampion's communicator back in the days of the GO, when the GO got nuked she joined the SO and morphed happily into OSA. She was CO OSA UK when I was there in 87. I heard that she got RPFed a while back not sure why. Might be worth asking around about that.

So bear in mind she has been hard core for over 30 years.

She is not going to cut you any slack, she is going to think that every delay she can put in your way is a victory, every time she can put you off is a win.

She will try to get you to back off, to be "polite" she will act hurt and she will try to convince you that by easing up on her it will make things go faster.

DO NOT FALL FOR IT.

Her job is to destroy you and win for Hubbard. make no mistake about it.

Yes Cathy and I both worked in the same office for Judy Tampion. Cathy was lovely to me the time, and was married to Jim. She used to take me back to her little cottage for a meal and to meet her children, and then when she moved to another little village I visited her there too, driving around in her three wheeler car! She was kind and sweet then, so I am struggling to come to terms with her being a CO of any faction, let alone OSA. How mind bending for me. Strange, and sad.

[another]

Cathy was rpf'ed in 1993

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/cathy-sproule-rpf.htm


From: martinottmann@yahoo.com (Martin Ottmann)
Subject: RPF Assignment - Cathy Sproule
Date: 31 Dec 2002 05:39:33 -0800
Message-ID: <71d327bb.0212310539.4a760d8d@posting.google.com>
SEA ORGANIZATION

CMO UK ETHICS ORDER 509


July 27, 1993


INFO: CMO INT
CMO UK
OSA INT
SNR HCO INT
All BASE ORGS


RPF ASSIGNMENT
CATHY SPROULE
DSA SAINT HILL


Cathy Sproule is hereby assigned to the RPF per Fa 3434RD THE
REHABILITATION PROJECT FORCE as being an overt product maker and a non
producer.


Cathy was recently found responsible for creating a Hill 10 of
magnitude which has serious potential of endangering the base which is
having to be handled by several executive staff members on a bypass.


Cathy had received warning three weeks prior to the situation
occurring, however she did not take action to handle as would have
been expected from her hat, instead neglecting it until it had become
a major threat to a current vital handling affecting public inflow,
security of staff and expansion of Scientology in UK.


Study of Cathy's history reveals that she has a longstanding and
unhandled scene of not wearing her hat resulting in flaps requiring
intervention.


In May this year she brought a reporter into the AOSH UK registration
office, unnanounced [sic] and without prior coordination. Cathy asked
questions of [sic] the registrars which could have been misconstrued
by the reporter present, resulting in possible out PR for the Church.


Also earlier this year, valuable evidence that could have been used
against an enemy of the Church was allowed to be destroyed, hindering
executive efforts to apply proper justice to him.


Cathy repeatedly failed to ensure that routine funding was provided to
pay professional services which were required regarding her zone of
responsibility.


There are numerous other situations involving public and staff which
have been mishandled or neglected that fall under Cathy's hat as DSA
to handle.


Despite repeated ethics, justice and correction, Cathy has continued
to act in a neglectful and treasonous manner on her post.


By these acticons, Cathy has demonstrated her treasonability to the
Sea Org. It is hoped that she will take this opportunity to redeem
herself on the Rehabilitation Project Force. She may request a
Committee of Evidence if she so wishes.


Deborah Sardner
D/CD Internal OSA UK


for
Lt Jan Jansen
CO CMO UK


Authorized by
LRH COMM CMO UK


for
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
RELIGIOUS EDUCATION COLLEGE INC.


COSRECI:JJ:JJ:DG:dg:jj

[xseaorguk]

in other words she was a piece of shite they had a grudge against and wanted to punish her severely for that, which I'm sure happened.
Then in the RPF they break you down and build you up to become or more dedicated brainwashed member.
The people who put up with that shite really makes me wonder, but the ones I got to know at Saint Hill who had been on it were like well bevaved zombies, but I suppose that is the whole point of it isn't it

[secretiveoldfag]

in other words she was a piece of shite they had a grudge against and wanted to punish her severely for that, which I'm sure happened.
Then in the RPF they break you down and build you up to become or more dedicated brainwashed member.
The people who put up with that shite really makes me wonder, but the ones I got to know at Saint Hill who had been on it were like well bevaved zombies, but I suppose that is the whole point of it isn't it

I was never in Scientology so I have no personal experience of Cathy at St Hill but from what I read in this thread I feel deeply sorry for her, for her horrible life, for the horrible way this horrible cult has warped her mind and her behaviour and beliefs and interpersonal behaviour.

She was obviously a nice person at one time, which makes this all the worse. Poor Cathy.

[another]

Yes. It is very sad if Cathy Gouws was one of the really decent people who has been changed beyond recognition by her years in the scientology cult. She is wasting her life.

Thanks for all the contributions to this thread.

I agree with the view that it's important to put information about scientology cult staff members into the public domain - especially OSA. Perhaps it helps in demystifying an aspect of the cult and in turn takes away some of their power to be threatening or clandestine or to hurt people.

[Mest Lover]

Hey Cathy huns. You have been on the RPF at least 1 time per this thread. Honey doodles, you are apparently on your way back there again. Do you think your thetan will survive this one? Your meat body is in pretty frail shape now. WAKE UP! You have little time on this prison we call earth. Get the fuck out and enjoy what you have left before your scum bag scam religion (so called) takes every last fingernail from you.

God bless your path.