WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

[Tigger]

Hana and Jerry Whitfield

[Voltaire's Child]

Pat and Annie Broeker.

[Bea Kiddo]

Natalie Ellis
Jill Graham
Allen Hubbert
David Russouw
John Mustard


All passed away from cancer. May they rest in peace. Where are they now?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[UMike]

Liz Sabine-Clear #123 from Melbourne
I read she was out.
I knew her from mission in Norh Hollywood mid-late 70's.
Wondering of Alan or Emma knew her??

She was my original Registrar.

UMike

[Emma]

WAAAAY before my time.

[programmer_guy]

Rocky Stump (ASHO)

Marty Prince (Riverside Mission)

[svonhatten]

Danny (don't know the last name). He's about 3-4 years older than me. I heard he was in the SO, but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

-Steve

[Lulu Belle]

Pat and Annie Broeker.

Chuck Beatty, I believe, may know something about Pat.

Annie is uplines, as far as I know. I think she remarried.

[Dulloldfart]

...
Marty Prince (Riverside Mission)

This Marty Prince?
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/m/marty-prince.html

Paul

[programmer_guy]

Paul,

Thanks. That's interesting. I wish there was a pic so that I could make a positive identification.

Marty had come to the Riverside Mission from the LA Org. He and his girlfriend Linda were my course sups for Levels 0-IV. (It was called the LA ORG extension at the Riverside Mission. A mission was not allowed to deliver 0-IV.)

Marty finally joined Riverside Mission staff and was Qual Sec for awhile.

I liked Marty and considered him to be a friend of mine - although Corky would probably beg to differ with me on his character. Ha.

It looks like he is now in Orange County (Southern California)?
I haven't looked this up BUT I think that there is an org or mission in Orange or thereabouts.

[Dulloldfart]

Thanks. That's interesting. I wish there was a pic so that I could make a positive identification.

Shazam!:pixiedust:

http://www.truestoryofscientology.com/successes.htm

(scroll down a bit)

Paul

[programmer_guy]

Shazam!


Thanks, Gomer. <snicker>

Yes, I think that is him. It's amazing how I have to adjust my brain/thinking for the fact that it has been so many years that we are all so much older now. We were in our early 20s way back then... now we are in our early 50s.

[Lulu Belle]

It looks like he is now in Orange County (Southern California)?
I haven't looked this up BUT I think that there is an org or mission in Orange or thereabouts.

Orange County Org was, at one time, the most successful Class V org in the world. It certainly made the most GI.

That was when John Woodruff was the ED and Dave Petit was the D/ED.

[Terril park]

Liz Sabine,
Met her a few times at St. Hill in the sixties I believe. Blonde
and very sweet. She had then a PR job, div 6 as opposed to OSA.

[Alan]

Liz Sabine-Clear #123 from Melbourne I read she was out.

I knew her from mission in Norh Hollywood mid-late 70's.

Wondering of Alan or Emma knew her??

She was my original Registrar.

UMike



I knew her well - we were on staff in the Melb Org in 1962.

Saw her several times over the years.

Last talked to her about 8 years ago. She was living in Bev Hills, doing very well as a voice coach......she had some top celebs as her clients.

She was a great lady.

Alan

[Alan]

Liz Sabine-Clear #123 from Melbourne I read she was out.

I knew her from mission in Norh Hollywood mid-late 70's.

Wondering of Alan or Emma knew her??

She was my original Registrar.

UMike



I knew her well - we were on staff together in the Melb Org in 1962.

Saw her several times over the years.

Last talked to her about 8 years ago. She was living in Bev Hills, doing very well as a voice coach......she had some top celebs as her clients.

She was a great lady.

Alan

[Voltaire's Child]

Thanks, LuLu!

[UMike]

I knew her well - we were on staff together in the Melb Org in 1962.

Saw her several times over the years.

Last talked to her about 8 years ago. She was living in Bev Hills, doing very well as a voice coach......she had some top celebs as her clients.

She was a great lady.

Alan

I missed this Alan. Gosh...I d love to speak with her one day. I was living in Beverly Hills 7-8 years ago myself. (Burton Way)
I do recall her singing as well.
She was an angel....and someone I could trust.
Liz got me to buy all my services---and I have no problem with it at all.

I recall clearly one day she told me confidentially how upset she was----Ron had made her son wear a dirty rag around his arm aboard the Apollo.
It was quite traumatic.....I felt So bad.
I guess she trusted me and needed to get it off her chest.

Every single friend/family member I sent to see her signed up-right on the spot.

She would bend the rules here and there.
We were all so attracted to her charisma. One day she took a challenge
and produced a rock slam for us neophytes to demonstrate the Meter/tech.
That was pretty dramatic...

She set an example of how wonderful a "Clear" was. right? heh.
I now know better of course.

She was living with an OT boyfriend who came over from Saint Hill (?)
at the time.
she must really be up there in the years...

Ike Kezbaum was our Mission ED...who died a few years back I believe.

UMike

[OHTEEATE]

Marty Prince lives in OC with his wife Yvonne. Marty is an OT 8 and Yvonne is D/Snr C/S OC Org in training last I saw her. Her senior Greg was at Flag five years training to be Snr C/S OC Org!!! Marty is in the loan business, arranges mortgages, etc.

[Bea Kiddo]

Did Greg ever finish his training? He was there when I was. (But who wasnt there when he was, five years!!!)

[OHTEEATE]

People I know , who I want to know where they are and how they are doing. Ron Pook, last known to be in Seattle area, sailing big sailboats.
(His exwife Peaches is making a fortune in real estate in Clearwater.) Ken Kapuler, son of Allen and Virginia. Steve McCartney. Doug Lindeman. Jim Eiselt. Pat Fox. Pem and Roz Wall.(last seen in Reno in 1972.) Thanks for any info, Mike Henderson

[Mick Wenlock]

Well my wish list is:

John Nelson - last I heard he was in Santa Barbara.

Mike Kehrli - heard he was now out (of the SO) may be in LA or in Portland

Bertie Van Hoecke - not sure where the hell he is - probably Italy or Belgium

Noel Munn - heard she was in New York

Bo Jansson - not sure if he is in or out

Per and Lene Svenlin

Ib Nyegaard - In Copenhagen somewhere...

[programmer_guy]

Marty Prince lives in OC with his wife Yvonne. Marty is an OT 8 and Yvonne is D/Snr C/S OC Org in training last I saw her. Her senior Greg was at Flag five years training to be Snr C/S OC Org!!! Marty is in the loan business, arranges mortgages, etc.

Thanks for the info.

Marty was never going to make it up that Bridge working on staff in a mission. I guess that the mortgage business enabled him to do so - as a public on-lines.

How many are now on staff at OC?

[Lulu Belle]

Pem and Roz Wall.(last seen in Reno in 1972.) Thanks for any info, Mike Henderson


http://www.constructionwork.com/contractor2821974_pem_wall_champion_ceiling.html

Last I knew, he had a bunch of other Class VIIIs (like Banner Moffit) working for him.

[OHTEEATE]

Thanks, Lulu!! Mike

[Lulu Belle]

(His exwife Peaches is making a fortune in real estate in Clearwater.)

Probably not any more.

The real estate market in Florida is deader than a doornail.

[The Oracle]

She had a book published a few years back. It's on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0746655-7259900?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Elizabeth+Sabine&Go.x=5&Go.y=10

A beautiful book.

She still looks like a beautiful Hollywood movie star.

She has an escort usually as she is failing with memory.

She has written a manuscipt about her entire adventures in Scientology.

She was in a QandA about whether to distribute it last time we spoke.

If you want to send her a message send it to me private email and I will forward it to her caregiver.

[HillFlag]

nm...

[UMike]

She had a book published a few years back. It's on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-0746655-7259900?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Elizabeth+Sabine&Go.x=5&Go.y=10

A beautiful book.

She still looks like a beautiful Hollywood movie star.

She has an escort usually as she is failing with memory.

She has written a manuscipt about her entire adventures in Scientology.

She was in a QandA about whether to distribute it last time we spoke.

If you want to send her a message send it to me private email and I will forward it to her caregiver.

Please do. Unsure if she will remember me. Very busy mission.
Tell her I was on lines along with my bother at Scientology of the Valley in ShermanOaks/North Hollywood and did my services there. I was about 22 at the time. Liz regged me.
I also went on staff as volunteer estates crew member building Carl Barney's new Santa Barbara mission on De La Guerra Street.

We both blew around 77-78 (?).

I'll send my e mail addy by PM.

thanks!

UMike

[Terril park]

This is her.

http://www.thevoiceconnection.com/vocalcoach1.html

I'm pretty sure I met her at St. Hill in the late 60s early 70s. She was div 6 PR
very blond almost white hair, I have no idea if that was a natural colour. She was always very charming and showed new people around and I recall her talking about public speaking TRs. She wouldn't remember me as I was just some div 6 person coming down for some weekend services. But I remember this glamorous very friendly person. The photo looks somewhat similar to how I recall her, but she was much younger then.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

http://internationalfreezone.net

[Alanzo]

Anybody know where Charles Lakes is?

[Dulloldfart]

Anybody know where Charles Lakes is?

http://www.usa-gymnastics.org/hof/2003/clakes.html

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=15650+Devonshire+Street+Granada+Hills+CA+91 344

Humanomics Insurance Services
15650 Devonshire Street
Granada Hills, CA 91344-7241
Phone: (818) 830-5600

Try those, compliments of Google.

Paul

[Alanzo]

Thanks!

That was better than I have been able to do.

(Should have used Google)

Alanzo

[UMike]

This is her.

http://www.thevoiceconnection.com/vocalcoach1.html

I'm pretty sure I met her at St. Hill in the late 60s early 70s. She was div 6 PR
very blond almost white hair, I have no idea if that was a natural colour. She was always very charming and showed new people around and I recall her talking about public speaking TRs. She wouldn't remember me as I was just some div 6 person coming down for some weekend services. But I remember this glamorous very friendly person. The photo looks somewhat similar to how I recall her, but she was much younger then.

http://www.freewebs.com/techoutsidethecofs

http://internationalfreezone.net

Yow. That's Liz alright. My original Reg. Her url link isn't working. I hope she is OK. She's 83 now. I really want to say hi. Are we sure she is "out" now??
Terrill-her hair was always a stark Platinum blonde (a la' Warhol)

Maybe this will shut Padgett up and any kooks claiming I was never "In"
Like I just made up being a scientologist for 7 years on the net.

UMike

[Terril park]

Hi UMike
The Illusioness posted this earlier in the thread. If you click on her name, not only can you PM but you can mail also. Just found that out.

"If you want to send her a message send it to me private email and I will forward it to her caregiver."

[programmer_guy]

FYI

http://www.fzglobal.org


Here is a list provided by Paul.

HGB Staff 1994

http://www.fzglobal.org/hgbstaff1994.htm

Complements to Amado Edghill for pointing out this URL to me AND thanks to Paul for providing it. (Amado is on this list.)

Paul, did you know Amado? Just curious.

(Amado, I hope that you are doing well.:))

[Dulloldfart]

Here is a list provided by Paul.

HGB Staff 1994

http://www.fzglobal.org/hgbstaff1994.htm

Complements to Amado Edghill for pointing out this URL to me AND thanks to Paul for providing it. (Amado is on this list.)

Paul, did you know Amado? Just curious.

(Amado, I hope that you are doing well.:))

Sorry, I don't remember Amado at all. I was Staff Courses Supervisor for many years and ended up knowing most of the people in the HGB, but not all.

Paul

[marty]

Anybody know where Neville White is or what happened to him. He was for a long time based at CLO ANZO as Cont Justice Chief or something like that up until the early 90's.

[petraph33]

Does anyone know where those people are now?

I know this list is awefully long... but 17 years in the SO/Scientology do give one a lot of contacts.... and I am looking for those friends...
I would be very greatful for any information about their whereabouts or any other information...

Karin Gloeckner
Paul Andersen
Jean-Pierre Muley
Roger De Rudder
Coline Ravachol
Margitta Pozzi
Massimo Pozzi
Jusha Turrol
Brigitte Werngren
Tor Werngren
Rita schwarzgruber
Odile Mueller
Helen Astrupgaard
Charlotte Cornelius
Paola Rocco
Fabio Bravi
Anna Roselli
Monica Cimolai
Tiziano Fracassetti
Marina Fracassetti
Jean-Yves Monfort
Bettina Henderson
Luca DiIeva
Valerie Demange
Jeanny Woltjen
Carmen Cenador
Vicky Cenador
Wahida Hickey
Brian Hickey
Martin Brennan
Christian Valley
Antonia Novarro
Franz Schuler
Heidrun Giessel
Virginia (Gini) Rassow

[Kookaburra]

Marty Prince lives in OC with his wife Yvonne. Marty is an OT 8 and Yvonne is D/Snr C/S OC Org in training last I saw her. Her senior Greg was at Flag five years training to be Snr C/S OC Org!!! Marty is in the loan business, arranges mortgages, etc.


OMG! Do you mean Greg Moore? He was Sr C/S OC in the 80's and was quite competant technically at that time. Was this a GAT retrain? I could see how that could take 5 years, from what I hear. But Greg had a wife and 2 small kids. Was he separated from them for that long?

[Bea Kiddo]

I trained with Greg Moore at Flag. Nice guy. Hot sons. LOL!!!

[sdad111]

I've been trying to locate or get any news about 2 old friends of mine. They both joined the SO about the same time in the late 70's. John Brousseau and Mike Lemeron. I been trying to locate them off and on for quite a long time and was curious what they were doing and if they were even still in scientology.

[svonhatten]

Mike & Cyndy Wright, Barry & Kimberley Hunter, Stephanie Erikson (though I didn't know her that well), Dan Christensen, and Martha Eenkhoorn.

Does anyone else know them?

[chuckbeatty]

Hana and Jerry Whitfield

If you know the amount of years they did, helping get people extracted from cults, you know they "paid their dues" in aces.

They are pretty much retired.

People who are close close friends, feel free to contact me, I'll connect you if you are old friends.

Like Jesse Prince, Hana and Jerry have "given at the office" to such a degree, they are getting on with enjoying life!

Try being in the limelight, and you will see how taxing it is. Once someone has devoted so much time to something, one wishes to get on and enjoy life a bit rather than being fulltime media source, etc.

Pat Broeker, he's living near family and definitely gotten on with life, with NOTHING to do with Scn! I don't know of anyone that's contacted him in recent years except there's the Robert Vaughn Young contact that Vaughn posted about in the 1990s I believe.

Ann Broeker Tidman was last a Pgms Ops in CMO Int, over Gold, that was as of the end of 2006. She's up at Int.

[Alanzo]

I think that Pat Broeker has a responsibility to a lot of people to tell his story.

I don't think that it is right for him to just disappear and not tell what he knows.

[Tanstaafl]

I think that Pat Broeker has a responsibility to a lot of people to tell his story.

I don't think that it is right for him to just disappear and not tell what he knows.

Agreed. But there's as about as much chance as DM becoming the next Pope.

[Kookaburra]

Pat Broeker, he's living near family and definitely gotten on with life, with NOTHING to do with Scn! I don't know of anyone that's contacted him in recent years except there's the Robert Vaughn Young contact that Vaughn posted about in the 1990s I believe.



Wow, so glad to hear he's doing OK. I've often wondered about him. Perhaps one day he will tell his story.

[MarkWI]

If you know the amount of years they did, helping get people extracted from cults, you know they "paid their dues" in aces.
They are pretty much retired.
People who are close close friends, feel free to contact me, I'll connect you if you are old friends.
Like Jesse Prince, Hana and Jerry have "given at the office" to such a degree, they are getting on with enjoying life!


Thank you Chuck for informing us and for being a trustworthy relay point for many of us. Please tell them that many of us really appreciated what they did. We all benefit from what they did – yet they paid the high prices for it and I feel I owe them something.


I think that Pat Broeker has a responsibility to a lot of people to tell his story.
I don't think that it is right for him to just disappear and not tell what he knows.

I still hope Pat Broeker will write his memories one day, he may help us to answer many of our questions about LRH and CoS, but I’m happy he is on with his life. I don’t feel like enforcing anyone to take responsibility for his previous actions.


“Each of us does what we can do.
Our obligation is to do it as well as we can,
with as much grace, dignity, integrity and honor
our egos can tolerate”.
-- Robert Vaughn Young

Mark

[Romuva]

If you know the amount of years they did, helping get people extracted from cults, you know they "paid their dues" in aces.

They are pretty much retired.

People who are close close friends, feel free to contact me, I'll connect you if you are old friends.

Like Jesse Prince, Hana and Jerry have "given at the office" to such a degree, they are getting on with enjoying life!

Try being in the limelight, and you will see how taxing it is. Once someone has devoted so much time to something, one wishes to get on and enjoy life a bit rather than being fulltime media source, etc.

Pat Broeker, he's living near family and definitely gotten on with life, with NOTHING to do with Scn! I don't know of anyone that's contacted him in recent years except there's the Robert Vaughn Young contact that Vaughn posted about in the 1990s I believe.

Ann Broeker Tidman was last a Pgms Ops in CMO Int, over Gold, that was as of the end of 2006. She's up at Int.

Hana and Jerry Whitfield helped keep me away from CofS.I can't thank
either of them enough for what they did for me.I would have to say
the same for CAN and Steve Hassan.

They gave me a fulfilling life away from CofS.

Good post Chuck!:)

[chuckbeatty]

I think that Pat Broeker has a responsibility to a lot of people to tell his story.

I don't think that it is right for him to just disappear and not tell what he knows.


I'm not sure if making people wrong for not speaking up works to get them to speak up.

I think whoever can elicit communication out of the major past figures, and ongoing major "principle" figures in the movement, more power to them.

I hope Pat at least does writings or DVD recordings of himself speaking which he allows be released after he's deceased, in case any of the events he was part of and observed were incriminating, etc, etc. That way the history makes it into the public domain.

[Zinjifar]

I'm not sure if making people wrong for not speaking up works to get them to speak up.

I think whoever can elicit communication out of the major past figures, and ongoing major "principle" figures in the movement, more power to them.

I hope Pat at least does writings or DVD recordings of himself speaking which he allows be released after he's deceased, in case any of the events he was part of and observed were incriminating, etc, etc. That way the history makes it into the public domain.

Well, once the RICO trial gets going, no doubt Pat will get a subpoena :)

Zinj

[Vinaire]

I think that Pat Broeker has a responsibility to a lot of people to tell his story.

I don't think that it is right for him to just disappear and not tell what he knows.

What if Pat Broeker is in the shadows behind David Miscavige? Possible?

.

[Alanzo]

I'm not sure if making people wrong for not speaking up works to get them to speak up.

I think whoever can elicit communication out of the major past figures, and ongoing major "principle" figures in the movement, more power to them.

I hope Pat at least does writings or DVD recordings of himself speaking which he allows be released after he's deceased, in case any of the events he was part of and observed were incriminating, etc, etc. That way the history makes it into the public domain.

No. It probably doesn't.

And when I use the word "responsibility" I don't mean it in the glue-like way that Hubbard used it on us.

What I mean is that when you see all the people who have had large swaths of their minds and lives taken away by Scientology, and you can, as an eyewitness, answer so many unanswered questions for them, it's just not right to walk away and leave them unanswered.

Whether that's a make-wrong or not is up to Pat to decide.

I don't mean it that way. I mean it from an objective standpoint. And not the kind of objective where you "Look at that Wall" "Thank You" "Turn Around" "Thank You" "Look at that Wall" "Thank You" "Turn Around", "Thank you", either.

I mean it from a standpoint that any decent human being would see.

I know that, for me, even as a lowly ED from Peoria, it would have been totally wrong to walk away and not speak out. So, I hope Pat Broeker thinks about it, and thinks about the position he is in to do a lot of good for a lot of people.

Just by answering some questions for them.

[Bea Kiddo]

Whats the RICO trial? Post a link if there is one.... Thank you!!

[Little Bear Victor]

Does anyone know where those people are now?

I know this list is awefully long... but 17 years in the SO/Scientology do give one a lot of contacts.... and I am looking for those friends...
I would be very greatful for any information about their whereabouts or any other information...

Karin Gloeckner
Paul Andersen
Jean-Pierre Muley
Roger De Rudder
Coline Ravachol
Margitta Pozzi
Massimo Pozzi
Jusha Turrol
Brigitte Werngren
Tor Werngren
Rita schwarzgruber
Odile Mueller
Helen Astrupgaard
Charlotte Cornelius
Paola Rocco
Fabio Bravi
Anna Roselli
Monica Cimolai
Tiziano Fracassetti
Marina Fracassetti
Jean-Yves Monfort
Bettina Henderson
Luca DiIeva
Valerie Demange
Jeanny Woltjen
Carmen Cenador
Vicky Cenador
Wahida Hickey
Brian Hickey
Martin Brennan
Christian Valley
Antonia Novarro
Franz Schuler
Heidrun Giessel
Virginia (Gini) Rassow

I'll tell you what I know:

Paul Anderson (not Andersen, but hopefully the same guy): On PAC RPF.
Coline Ravachol: last known a few years ago to be at ILO (current name for FLO, also know as FCB), possibly a Programs Chief?
Rita Schwartzgruber: At Int in the "SP room" (was ED Int for a bit -- after Guillaume)
Odile Muller: Possibly at Flag in "Int Training Pool." I heard several times over the last couple of years she was going to go back to Int
Bettina Henderson: Posted at Gold

There were other familiar names on the list but haven't heard of them in some 15 years.

Victor

[Alanzo]

What if Pat Broeker is in the shadows behind David Miscavige? Possible?

.

No idea. I've heard that he was probably paid off.

So he's doing the ethical thing by not talking because he was paid money to not talk.

[Little Bear Victor]

I've been trying to locate or get any news about 2 old friends of mine. They both joined the SO about the same time in the late 70's. John Brousseau and Mike Lemeron. I been trying to locate them off and on for quite a long time and was curious what they were doing and if they were even still in scientology.

Mike Lemeron, a name I haven't heard in ages! Don't know where he is now but was offloaded from Gold some 15 years ago.

John Brousseau is hanging in there. He's in RTC, one of the few left.

Victor

[haiqu]

I know that, for me, even as a lowly ED from Peoria, it would have been totally wrong to walk away and not speak out. So, I hope Pat Broeker thinks about it, and thinks about the position he is in to do a lot of good for a lot of people.

You were an ED? No wonder the CoS has been going South for years. But this doesn't really surprise me, I've rarely found anyone outside of highly trained tech staff who had a clue about the subject. And with GAT even that certainty is fading.

haiqu

[Bea Kiddo]

:catfight:

[Alanzo]

You were an ED? No wonder the CoS has been going South for years. But this doesn't really surprise me, I've rarely found anyone outside of highly trained tech staff who had a clue about the subject. And with GAT even that certainty is fading.

haiqu

Yes, I personally have been heading South with Scientology for years. Driving it straight down the tubes. In a southerly direction.

Me and all the other ED's in Scientology.

GAT has been a turbo-charger on our engines. To head south.

With Scientology.

[Bea Kiddo]

51 to go!!!! Puff puff!!!!!

[Lulu Belle]

Rita Schwartzgruber: At Int in the "SP room" (was ED Int for a bit -- after Guillaume)

This is the first time I've read that someone besides Lesevre has been on the ED Int post in the last 15 years.

[Little Bear Victor]

This is the first time I've read that someone besides Lesevre has been on the ED Int post in the last 15 years.

Correct. She didn't last long.

V

[Mick Wenlock]

You were an ED? No wonder the CoS has been going South for years. But this doesn't really surprise me, I've rarely found anyone outside of highly trained tech staff who had a clue about the subject. And with GAT even that certainty is fading.

haiqu

actually the "highly trained tech staff" rarely had a clue about anything - including Scientology. A lot of them thought there the "tech" could be separated out from the rest of Hubbard's insanity.

To become "highly trained" was to become "highly brainwashed". Not "highly able".

The "highly trained" people who later became some of the better names - Alan on this list, Amos and some others seem to have been sane, intelligent capable individuals BEFORE they became "highly trained" not because of it.

After all - how could one possibly be a highly trained individual and support such a stupid "organization" as the Church of Scientology? I mean, sheesh, Hubbard couldn't have organized a piss up in a brewery - well if he had "organized" it it would have taken 3 people to write the policies and the "tech". Two more to type it all up, then one person to review it, another to authorize it , one more to print it up, one more to distribute it. One more to cancel it all for being "squirrel", three missionaires to assign people conditions and to report back to the mother ship and a lot of meetings. The beer would evaporate before Hubbard could even get around to the party.

And then Hubbard could have released a new rundown explaining how he had organized piss ups in breweries way back down the whole track before anyone else had ever heard of a brewery. In fact he invented brewing.

[Mick Wenlock]

Correct. She didn't last long.

V

not surprised she didn't last long, highly surprised she got posted.

[Alan]

And then Hubbard could have released a new rundown explaining how he had organized piss ups in breweries way back down the whole track before anyone else had ever heard of a brewery. In fact he invented brewing.



:thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Still laughing!

That made my day!

Alan

[wolfright]

Does anyone know where those people are now?

I know this list is awefully long... but 17 years in the SO/Scientology do give one a lot of contacts.... and I am looking for those friends...
I would be very greatful for any information about their whereabouts or any other information...

Helen Astrupgaard
Wahida Hickey
Brian Hickey


I know this probably doesn't help, but there were Astrupgaard and Hickey kids in the SO at PAC 4-5 years ago... and I think there were a few Hickeys on public lines at ASHO or LA Org too.

[wolfright]

Mike & Cyndy Wright, Barry & Kimberley Hunter, Stephanie Erikson (though I didn't know her that well), Dan Christensen, and Martha Eenkhoorn.

Does anyone else know them?


There was a Mr. Eenkhoorn "uplines" (can't remember where) 4-5 years ago.

[pomfritz]

Not familiar with Helen Astrupgaard, but

Morten shills for the Freewinds out of PAC, his wife Liz was CO Bridge and son Seth was an Academy supe at ASHO. As of 04 or so.

Morten's a nice guy and will likely suffer the same fate as all long term SO members do.

[Mick Wenlock]

Not familiar with Helen Astrupgaard, but

Morten shills for the Freewinds out of PAC, his wife Liz was CO Bridge and son Seth was an Academy supe at ASHO. As of 04 or so.

Morten's a nice guy and will likely suffer the same fate as all long term SO members do.

Morten has been around reg lines since he got onto staff at DK Org. Liz was the CO DKD and FDN at the time, she used to be married to Ib Nygaard back then. Both the Astrupgaards and the Nygaards were well known families of Scientologists. One of Morten's sisters, Anna is married to Jens Uhrskov who used to be Snr C/S Dk Org before he joined the SO at FOLO EU and then went to INt as D/ED Int.

Last I heard Jens was at Gold. All of them, Liz, Morten, Anna, Jens - great people

[Little Bear Victor]

There was a Mr. Eenkhoorn "uplines" (can't remember where) 4-5 years ago.

Wasn't up at Int. So if "uplines", would be ASI, CST or RTC Rep, although I never heard the name, so doubt it.

V

[wolfright]

Anybody know what happened to Barbara... Ellingson? Auditor at ASHO in late 80s, waist-length black hair. Or Toby, was the chaplain there same time.

Another friend I've always wanted to find again was Janelle Shipp. She married Oscar Candia and got pregnant, left because she wouldn't have an abortion (good for her) and I think she had a son. She used to be at Snr HCO WUS, in the 90s, and had family in Oregon or thereabouts. I miss her.

Jeremiah Deering, in Div 6 at ASHO late 90s, was declared sometime around 2001ish... we used to hang out in CF and sneak off base to get fatburger, man those were good times.

Monet Barendsen, was ASHO HAS for years, declared a couple of years ago....

Jessica Gundelfinger, also from ASHO.

I wish I knew where they all went.

[Bea Kiddo]

Monet got declared? For what?!?!?!?!

I heard a LOT of people got in trouble because of me - because of what I did. They told me that I was getting the light end of the stick.... I always thought they were bluffing.

But Monet was the HAS when I was declared. I hope she didn't get in trouble cause of me. Well, if so, maybe its the best thing that ever happened to her...:happydance: Who knows.

[wolfright]

Monet got declared? For what?!?!?!?!

I heard a LOT of people got in trouble because of me - because of what I did. They told me that I was getting the light end of the stick.... I always thought they were bluffing.

But Monet was the HAS when I was declared. I hope she didn't get in trouble cause of me. Well, if so, maybe its the best thing that ever happened to her...:happydance: Who knows.

I haven't found out why yet. I've been trying. Supposedly it was "really bad" tho that is what they always say. I'm sure it wasn't because of you, tho.

I feel bad for her because I worry where she would go. Jascha (her husband) stayed in the SO. Her mom is/was on staff. She spent her whole late-childhood / young-adulthood in the SO. All her friends were SO. She was totally dedicated to the point of making herself sick with lack of sleep and so on. What will happen to her? Where will she go? We never got along all that well on post due to mutual stress, but I still was her friend. I wouldn't want her on the street or something.

(Oh, btw, that thing about getting $500 when you leave? I never got any money, and I don't think they are doing that anymore. When I left they told me I owed over $100,000 so maybe they put the $500 toward my "debt"....)

I hope she is okay.

[Bea Kiddo]

Hmmm... Well, if she ever needs help, she can ask me. (If she ever googles her name, this will come up).

I got my 500.00 when I left. Too bad you didn't. Weird.

(BTW: You have PM response - look up on top right of page, it will list PM there. Click on it and you can see it)

[pomfritz]

Monet is declared? I'm sorry to hear that though it could be the best thing that happens to her. She seemed like a decent person and I understand could be stubborn also. I guess those are two traits that don't go over well in the current SO.

[wolfright]

Monet is declared? I'm sorry to hear that though it could be the best thing that happens to her. She seemed like a decent person and I understand could be stubborn also. I guess those are two traits that don't go over well in the current SO.

Heck yeah she was stubborn. If she thought something was out-tech or just wrong she would NOT give in. I saw her weather a lot of sh*t, I guess the last one she couldn't make it thru. Or maybe she decided to leave. I don't know.

[Bea Kiddo]

Monet was really close friends with the Chief Off when I was there. The Chf Off was really upset about me - well, really pissed at me. But we had been friends before that. What's her name? She is tall - like Monet. Hmm. Curly redish hair. Dang I suck with names. Maybe from C/Sing too many folders. I remember people by the insides of their folders, not the names on the outside. Too many folders passing through.

Jasha was an old flame from teen years. What ever happened to his sister, Jade, anyways? Haven't seen or heard from her in years and years.

Funny thing in the SO: I NEVER had a boyfriend who was American. Ever. In the SO. My husband was also not American. I did not date an American until I was out of the SO. (random comment).

Anyways, it wouldn't suprize me if that Chf Off didn't start having some doubts after Monet was declared. She may not outwardly show them, buyt I think they are there. She is smart. I forget her name!!!

[Lulu Belle]

Jasha was an old flame from teen years. What ever happened to his sister, Jade, anyways? Haven't seen or heard from her in years and years.


Are you talking about Jade Kievenauer? (Don't know if I spelled that right.)

[Bea Kiddo]

Yes (pronounced "Yada")

[Lulu Belle]

Last time I saw Jade it was in, I think, the early 90s.

She was off staff, living in LA. She was living with/having a 2D with a Scientology public. He was a photographer, and literally old enough to be her father.

I always felt like she was with him as a replacement for the parents she didn't have.

It was sad.

[wolfright]

Monet was really close friends with the Chief Off when I was there. The Chf Off was really upset about me - well, really pissed at me. But we had been friends before that. What's her name? She is tall - like Monet. Hmm. Curly redish hair.

That's Juliana Shape McCormick. (Not married to McCormick anymore, don't know if she reverted to Shape.) At least, that sounds like her, and she used to be the Chief Off. She was one of my friends. I miss her. She has had several friends leave now. But she was a ranch kid so... who knows? She's a good person, very nice, also very clean and dedicated, and had a temper and was stubborn like Monet. :)

[Bea Kiddo]

Juliana was for Foundation. You must have been at ASHOF. I was in ASHOD. Hmm... The Chf I am talking about had hair just above shoulder length. Juliana's was longer - and more straight. They are the same height and build, sort of. I can't think of her name!! It will come to me someday. I suck at names. She has a little bit of a lisp. Nope, I still can't remember.:confused:

[wolfright]

No, I was ASHOD. But Juliana bounced back and forth, was D orig.
I can't think who you mean....

[Lulu Belle]

Juliana was for Foundation. You must have been at ASHOF. I was in ASHOD. Hmm... The Chf I am talking about had hair just above shoulder length. Juliana's was longer - and more straight. They are the same height and build, sort of. I can't think of her name!! It will come to me someday. I suck at names. She has a little bit of a lisp. Nope, I still can't remember.:confused:



You're not talking about Marcy Seargent, are you? I don't know what time period you are referring to.

Marcy was tall with red hair and I'm almost sure she was the Chf Off ASHOD.

[Kookaburra]

Anybody know what happened to Barbara... Ellingson? Auditor at ASHO in late 80s, waist-length black hair. Or Toby, was the chaplain there same time.



I know these two. I have no idea what happened to BE. She did have some health problems and she did not have money to handle it, so was drinking fermented cabbage juice (yuk!) that she was making in her auditing room. I forget what it was supposed to do.

Toby Cantine I read something about somewhere, but dang if I can remember what it was. She was a good chaplain.

I'm wondering if I know you. I was in ASHO D HGC in 1990, then sup in BC and Acad in '91. I left mid '91.

Regards,

Kookaburra

[ozzie]

Toby ended up being offloaded for some sickness.
I remember her from the early days of the Apollo. She was a very nice person.
I think if you google you might find the information on her sickness and when she was offloaded.

Ozzie

[Kookaburra]

Toby ended up being offloaded for some sickness.
I remember her from the early days of the Apollo. She was a very nice person.
I think if you google you might find the information on her sickness and when she was offloaded.

Ozzie

Found it, thank-you.

She also off loaded Toby Cantine, who had been a loyal SO member for
25 years, because she had an operable tumor, but David Miscavige
refused to pay the hospital bill.


This is very bad. Toby was always there for everyone. What a slap in the face. I hope she got it handled.

[OHTEEATE]

Marcy Sargeant is out of the SO now, offloaded with medical bills, after a 35 year career. She is my sister. She has long red hair, and no lisp. She was Flag Programs Chief, ED St. Louis, ED Albuquerque, BC Sup, CO ASHO DAY ( for 2 weeks) and is OEC/FEBC ,OT V. She lives in Albuquerque with her husband Craig, and her three daughters. Her two sons, Trevor and Dirk, are in the Sea Org.
Bea Kiddo asked about Greg Moore and his 5 year Flag training cycle. He had to retrain from the ground up on GAT, starting with Pro TRs, Metering, etc. and do all academy levels, C/S courses, SHSBC, which was changed several times while he was there. Add on Interneships, and you see why he was there so long. He got in a few visits home with his wife during that time, but not much. He was happily C/sing away last I saw him at Orange County in 2003. Yvonne Prince was his deputy Snr. C/S, Martys' wife.

[Alanzo]

Marcy Sargeant is out of the SO now, offloaded with medical bills, after a 35 year career. She is my sister. She has long red hair, and no lisp. She was Flag Programs Chief, ED St. Louis, ED Albuquerque, BC Sup, CO ASHO DAY ( for 2 weeks) and is OEC/FEBC ,OT V. She lives in Albuquerque with her husband Craig, and her three daughters. Her two sons, Trevor and Dirk, are in the Sea Org.
Bea Kiddo asked about Greg Moore and his 5 year Flag training cycle. He had to retrain from the ground up on GAT, starting with Pro TRs, Metering, etc. and do all academy levels, C/S courses, SHSBC, which was changed several times while he was there. Add on Interneships, and you see why he was there so long. He got in a few visits home with his wife during that time, but not much. He was happily C/sing away last I saw him at Orange County in 2003. Yvonne Prince was his deputy Snr. C/S, Martys' wife.

Marcie was the Qual Sec, having taken over for Cat Savage, before she took over Phyllis Houlihan's post as ED STL.

I love all three of those women.

[wolfright]

I'm wondering if I know you. I was in ASHO D HGC in 1990, then sup in BC and Acad in '91. I left mid '91.
Kookaburra

I doubt it... I was around, but just one of the annoying kids "hanging out" while their parents were on course all day. I was getting some auditing but I think maybe that was from a field auditor at that point.

[wolfright]

Marcie was the Qual Sec, having taken over for Cat Savage, before she took over Phyllis Houlihan's post as ED STL.


I lOVE Phyllis. She was SO AWESOME and gave me the only auditing that I ever felt good about. I miss her, actually. I hope she is well, wherever she is. :)

[Sharone Stainforth]

Can any of you early Apollo People tell me anything about a

William Deitch?
Apparently he went missing in March 69,from the Apollo.
I'm sure i knew him,would appreciate any info

Tamasin

[duddins]

Jesse was a good friend and I wish I could get in contact. I am still nervous about talking about my story or giving out my identity/ My life was threatened back in 1985 and perhaps it is no biggie now. I walked away from all of it. But I still have questions. I know that if I mentioned a few things, Jesse would know exactly who I am.
By the way, Chuck, I think I knew you. Where did you work? I was at PAC from 1975 to 77, then 77-80 at Flag on and off....then I was out of the US. Your name sure sounds familiar to me.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Anybody know what happened to Barbara... Ellingson? Auditor at ASHO in late 80s, waist-length black hair. Or Toby, was the chaplain there same time.

Another friend I've always wanted to find again was Janelle Shipp. She married Oscar Candia and got pregnant, left because she wouldn't have an abortion (good for her) and I think she had a son. She used to be at Snr HCO WUS, in the 90s, and had family in Oregon or thereabouts. I miss her.

Jeremiah Deering, in Div 6 at ASHO late 90s, was declared sometime around 2001ish... we used to hang out in CF and sneak off base to get fatburger, man those were good times.

Monet Barendsen, was ASHO HAS for years, declared a couple of years ago....

Jessica Gundelfinger, also from ASHO.

I wish I knew where they all went.

The last I saw Toby she was tubbing around in her little EPF uniform. Then she was out of the SO but still acting self-important.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Can any of you early Apollo People tell me anything about a

William Deitch?
Apparently he went missing in March 69,from the Apollo.
I'm sure i knew him,would appreciate any info

Tamasin

The black singer, Amanda? The last I saw her was on the BC at ASHO.

[Free to shine]

Has anyone info on Zoltan Bozan or his sister Judy? Last heard of at Flag.

[neo-the-one]

Zoltan Bozan, he was in the finance office fso, then moved to finance office cmo cw, was still there in 2005.

[Free to shine]

Zoltan Bozan, he was in the finance office fso, then moved to finance office cmo cw, was still there in 2005.

Thanks :)

[Ken Kapuler]

People I know , who I want to know where they are and how they are doing. Ron Pook, last known to be in Seattle area, sailing big sailboats.
(His exwife Peaches is making a fortune in real estate in Clearwater.) Ken Kapuler, son of Allen and Virginia. Steve McCartney. Doug Lindeman. Jim Eiselt. Pat Fox. Pem and Roz Wall.(last seen in Reno in 1972.) Thanks for any info, Mike Henderson

Hi Mike. Ken here. Long time no talk. I saw your dad and Ange a few years ago at a reunion. Haven't seen or heard from anyone since then. I just kind of stumbled across this board. E-mail me direct kkap009@yahoo.com.
Hope you are well.
Ken

[wolfright]

The black singer, Amanda? The last I saw her was on the BC at ASHO.

I'm pretty sure Amanda Ambrose is dead, if that's who you mean.

[wolfright]

btw, I listed Shilah Ernisee/Jamin on my list, and I have since found out she is out, married to Dustin, and has a son. :)

[Bea Kiddo]

btw, I listed Shilah Ernisee/Jamin on my list, and I have since found out she is out, married to Dustin, and has a son. :)

Good for her!!! I remember when she was born. Wow. cool for them!!!

[Vinaire]

I'm pretty sure Amanda Ambrose is dead, if that's who you mean.

Yes, she past away last year. I tutored her grand daughter in math a couple of months ago.

.

[Amfortas]

Looking for anybody who was in Heilbronn Mission from 1987 through 1989.

[Wisened One]

Looking for CLO EUS (in NYC) people. I was only there for a few weeks in the 90's...but met so many nice people there! Used to talk to the nice middle-aged lady receptionist. She had short dark/greying hair. (can't remember her name!)

Anyone worked there or knew anyone from there?

Wisened One

[migraine]

Another friend I've always wanted to find again was Janelle Shipp. She married Oscar Candia and got pregnant, left because she wouldn't have an abortion (good for her) and I think she had a son. She used to be at Snr HCO WUS, in the 90s, and had family in Oregon or thereabouts. I miss her.


Last I knew she was living in the Portland, OR area with Oscar and their child. Haven't heard from her in several years.

Monet Barendsen, was ASHO HAS for years, declared a couple of years ago....

Anyone know anything reliable on this? I went to school with her and can't imagine what could have led to that.

Jessica Gundelfinger, also from ASHO.

I was married to her at the time. Last I knew for sure she was back up in Seattle with her family. From a little checking it looks like she's gone to college and done some humanitarian work overseas. Not sure on the details. Our split was less than pretty so we haven't been in touch since.

[grundy]

BTW - Does anyone know if Meliesha Hurst is still in the SO? Her mother was ill and had a bone marrow transplant. She was about 5 2, long red hair.

Last I knew, she joined AO staff and was HCO staff. And then because she was qualled for uplines she was being replaced to go uplines. This was 1997.

She was REALLY upset with me when I left. She came in right before I left. We were good friends before that.

Also, Jimmy and Amber Page, are they still in?

[Good twin]

Does anyone know where Dick Story is? I have a friend who asked about him at Flag and got no answer. Go figure.

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

BTW - Does anyone know if Meliesha Hurst is still in the SO? Her mother was ill and had a bone marrow transplant. She was about 5 2, long red hair.

Last I knew, she joined AO staff and was HCO staff. And then because she was qualled for uplines she was being replaced to go uplines. This was 1997.

She was REALLY upset with me when I left. She came in right before I left. We were good friends before that.



Maleisha was still in as of 5-6 months ago. Her mom (Johni) and I were twins/co-auditors on Class VIII. Johni tried to "save" me last year. :melodramatic: She's been on OT VII for a while now, so she got well. Last time we talked, she told me Maleisha was trying to get a post in the Landlords Office. Knowing Maleisha (she used to be receptionist at my shop before she joined the S.O.), I'd guess she probably succeeded.

Lynn

[Bea Kiddo]

amber was Qual Sec ASHOD when I left in May 04. She was still married at the time too...

[grundy]

Cool. Thanks. I was curious. Anybody know about Meliesha?

[grundy]

Also - Garia Northrup. She was Denver Class IV org staff (it was Class IV then) in 1986/1987 at flag for oot with me.

Also, Leif - I don't remember his last name, he's swedish - was my supervisor. I know that he ended up on the RPF somewhere in the mid 90s .... I wonder where he is?

And Ulfe Sundquist. He was Stockholm staff with me at Flag during the gat evolution.

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

Cool. Thanks. I was curious. Anybody know about Meliesha?

See previous page. :)

Lynn

[grundy]

Maleisha was still in as of 5-6 months ago. Her mom (Johni) and I were twins/co-auditors on Class VIII. Johni tried to "save" me last year. :melodramatic: She's been on OT VII for a while now, so she got well. Last time we talked, she told me Maleisha was trying to get a post in the Landlords Office. Knowing Maleisha (she used to be receptionist at my shop before she joined the S.O.), I'd guess she probably succeeded.

Lynn

I thank you. Really.

[DartSmohen]

Liz Sabine-Clear #123 from Melbourne
I read she was out.
I knew her from mission in Norh Hollywood mid-late 70's.
Wondering of Alan or Emma knew her??

She was my original Registrar.

UMike

I knew Liz at St Hill.

Her son, Mark, was Chief Engineer on Royal Scotsman. He was 14 years old and ran the engine room more effeciently than the non- $cn staff. He left to become a roadside service engineer with the Automobile Assn.

[everfree]

And Ulfe Sundquist. He was Stockholm staff with me at Flag during the gat evolution.

Huge guy, sorta looks like the Terminator, kinda gives you a glimpse of how terrifying the viking conquests of Europe must have been? Nope, didn't know him.

[grundy]

Huge guy, sorta looks like the Terminator, kinda gives you a glimpse of how terrifying the viking conquests of Europe must have been? Nope, didn't know him.

He wasn't that tall, but he is big! lol

[Wirestripper]

Grundy: Jimmy Page is still in, but he and Amber were divorced, I don't know where she is.

Good for him though, I always got along with Jimmy....Amber was a B--CH

[Lulu Belle]

Grundy: Jimmy Page is still in, but he and Amber were divorced, I don't know where she is.

Good for him though, I always got along with Jimmy....Amber was a B--CH

Amber had issues.

She had a breakdown when her mom died.

It was her out qual for upper orgs. I think it got her kicked out of Archives, IIRC.

[ClearedSP]

Doug Lindeman.

Doug and Lanna stayed together for a while, and had a daughter, who is now grown and married. Doug got out, got involved in film making and a spiritual group, the Deeksha movement. Doug was living in Berkeley a few years ago, when he was diagnosed with colon cancer, which had spread too far to be treatable. He hung in there until May 1, 2006. There is a page about him, put up by his old friend Mallory Kates (another ex staff member, long escaped), here: http://mallorykates.typepad.com/about_doug/

He was a great guy, I'm sorry that I didn't know about this until it was too late to say goodbye.

[VI of Hearts]

Wow - about Amber and her mom dying -- I always thought she was a hard bitch too, but when you got to know her she was a very caring person. Just "unreasonable". Being in charge of Qual you should be, IMHO.

But the sad thing as I just PMd to Grundy -- she married the ASHO F Cram Off a couple of years ago and then he suddenly died a few months later. He couldn't have been more than 35 yrs old. Tall, gangly guy with odd glasses. Sorry can't remember his name.