13 March 2008 event prediction, SH size requirements, OT IX and X

[Little Bear Victor]

I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.

The next step in preparation for this release is changing the requirements for Saint Hill Size orgs.

This is an important matter, for you might think it would be impossible or at least a very difficult thing for DM to change one of the best known -- at least to staff -- LRH policies. But not so: He already briefed Milano 'Ideal Org' staff on this strategy as a 'pilot' to see how they react, and management has been briefed and nobody seemed to have any great objection to it.

How can this be?

Pretty easy: Purpose is above policy, so DM is taking the angle of what the purpose of 339R and Saint Hill size is: To get all orgs in the world above the make-break point. Combined with personal incentive to staff members, it will succeed, and that is exactly how he has it laid out: The new basis for Saint Hill size is going to be staff pay.

The story is long and boring and goes back to when DM visited Saint Hill and took a look at the SH student enrollment records from the SH boom days... (This is undoubtedly the way he is going to start his presentation.) But, basically, the end result is going to be a whole different set of requirements, radically lower than the current requirements for Saint Hill size, and staff will be happy as the key requirement is '' the same or slightly better pay for staff as the average wage for a similar job in the wog world.'' What staff member would not vouch for that, after making virtually no income for decades working for Scientology, but rather having been forced to moonlight and sacrifice whatever else they made otherwise? I don't think anyone is going to be asking 'is this based on LRH?' especially since DM, true to style, is going to make sure the 'applicable' LRH references will be a central part of the briefing. 'Applicable' won't include the current standards for SH size.

It is probably clear for most people why is this the next big strategic step toward releasing OT IX and X: The last major prerequisite, and the worst bugged one, to be filled is 'all orgs in the world the size of old Saint Hill.'

So we should shortly see DM's debug: Change the requirements.

I am rather certain the release of OT IX and X will be timed with the 20th anniversary of Freewinds. Whether it can be pulled off by that time is a different question, but it is without question DM's intention. It has been in the making for several years. With recent events, this is a very likely thing to be implemented at this time.

The implementation includes changing the finance system for orgs to make this possible.

If not part of the public event, it might be a 'special briefing for staff only,' in which case we won't see it featured. That might be a preferable way for DM, as then a 'miraculous' expansion could be made to take place, with all orgs suddenly going 'SH size' without the public even knowing about the change in requirements. DM could then also make it look like Scientologist had suddenly risen up to the occasion due to an 'external enemy,' to try and motivate the public. Yes, that too is predictable as the sun rising.

Either way, I think this data should be disseminated broadly before the event so that as many Scientologist and staff know of it beforehand.

One of two things could happen as a result: 1) Any Scientology public who hears of it first from outside sources would be less likely to fall for DMs crap on March 13th and have the cognition that the outside world knows more than the average staff member or 2) DM would have to give up on that strategy or at least radically modify it or delay its implementation. Would be a win either way.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Fewer staff would defect if higher pay were added to the equation.

[Bea Kiddo]

Like any Saint hill Size org, a month after it is deemed Saint Hill Size it will crash. Not because I said so.... Thats the reality based on stats. How many kept SH size status?

And within 3 months, ethics missions will be in the org...

I've seen it all before.

Save your 4 weeks of good pay guys. You will need it later.

[Div6]

LBV speaks great sooth. If you can't make the goal, move the goal posts.

However, can he change the "Every Org" part? Even with improved Staff Pay, the number of small and failing orgs far outweigh the large ones. And while we have seen the CLO's stat push one or two over the make-break point, they never stay there very long.

Be interesting to see how he will try to spin that.

Of course, if they HAD any OT's they would not have the problems they now have. The FZ has "bigger OT's" currently....

[Kathy (ImOut)]

DM definitely has to do something. The protests are sure to make public and staff start to wonder about stuff. And I'm sure he'll spin it so it all makes "perfect sense".

[Little Bear Victor]

However, can he change the "Every Org" part? Even with improved Staff Pay, the number of small and failing orgs far outweigh the large ones. And while we have seen the CLO's stat push one or two over the make-break point, they never stay there very long.

Be interesting to see how he will try to spin that.



Div6, I don't know, but let me guess: How many orgs were there in the world when LRH announced the Birthday Game? Who says all CURRENT orgs need to be SH size? "That's not what LRH meant," was it?

(Actually I probably shouldn't give that idea to DM, he'll use it...)

[nowout]

I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.



LBV, I'm wondering what resources DM has in compiling, piloting and finalizing the new levels, what with Ray being in the SP room (and tech terminals blown or offloaded)?

Are you saying that he's bypassing and doing it all himself, as usual?

[The Oracle]

I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.

The next step in preparation for this release is changing the requirements for Saint Hill Size orgs.

This is an important matter, for you might think it would be impossible or at least a very difficult thing for DM to change one of the best known -- at least to staff -- LRH policies. But not so: He already briefed Milano 'Ideal Org' staff on this strategy as a 'pilot' to see how they react, and management has been briefed and nobody seemed to have any great objection to it.

How can this be?

Pretty easy: Purpose is above policy, so DM is taking the angle of what the purpose of 339R and Saint Hill size is: To get all orgs in the world above the make-break point. Combined with personal incentive to staff members, it will succeed, and that is exactly how he has it laid out: The new basis for Saint Hill size is going to be staff pay.

The story is long and boring and goes back to when DM visited Saint Hill and took a look at the SH student enrollment records from the SH boom days... (This is undoubtedly the way he is going to start his presentation.) But, basically, the end result is going to be a whole different set of requirements, radically lower than the current requirements for Saint Hill size, and staff will be happy as the key requirement is '' the same or slightly better pay for staff as the average wage for a similar job in the wog world.'' What staff member would not vouch for that, after making virtually no income for decades working for Scientology, but rather having been forced to moonlight and sacrifice whatever else they made otherwise? I don't think anyone is going to be asking 'is this based on LRH?' especially since DM, true to style, is going to make sure the 'applicable' LRH references will be a central part of the briefing. 'Applicable' won't include the current standards for SH size.

It is probably clear for most people why is this the next big strategic step toward releasing OT IX and X: The last major prerequisite, and the worst bugged one, to be filled is 'all orgs in the world the size of old Saint Hill.'

So we should shortly see DM's debug: Change the requirements.

I am rather certain the release of OT IX and X will be timed with the 20th anniversary of Freewinds. Whether it can be pulled off by that time is a different question, but it is without question DM's intention. It has been in the making for several years. With recent events, this is a very likely thing to be implemented at this time.

The implementation includes changing the finance system for orgs to make this possible.

If not part of the public event, it might be a 'special briefing for staff only,' in which case we won't see it featured. That might be a preferable way for DM, as then a 'miraculous' expansion could be made to take place, with all orgs suddenly going 'SH size' without the public even knowing about the change in requirements. DM could then also make it look like Scientologist had suddenly risen up to the occasion due to an 'external enemy,' to try and motivate the public. Yes, that too is predictable as the sun rising.

Either way, I think this data should be disseminated broadly before the event so that as many Scientologist and staff know of it beforehand.

One of two things could happen as a result: 1) Any Scientology public who hears of it first from outside sources would be less likely to fall for DMs crap on March 13th and have the cognition that the outside world knows more than the average staff member or 2) DM would have to give up on that strategy or at least radically modify it or delay its implementation. Would be a win either way.

Well, we know with the income for the Sea Org that Sea Org members for DECADES should have been able to get the same pay as "wogs." (I hate this term, it is such a degrade ser fac slur)

Will he apply this new idea to the Sea Org staff?

Will he mention anything about lowering the taxes the Sea Org puts on the Orgs so the staff can have any pay?

Will he mention any tax breaks from CofS Internal Revenue Branches like SMI, ABLE, WISE, Applied Scholastics, etc etc?

With the structure the way it is the Managment has been taking all the money available.

Will they let anyone else have any?

T.O.

[The Oracle]

LBV, I'm wondering what resources DM has in compiling, piloting and finalizing the new levels, what with Ray being in the SP room (and tech terminals blown or offloaded)?

Are you saying that he's bypassing and doing it all himself, as usual?

Why wouldn't he? He mentioned at the last big event he had finally made it through reading Dianetics.

T.O.

[Div6]

Well, we know with the income for the Sea Org that Sea Org members for DECADES should have been able to get the same pay as "wogs." (I hate this term, it is such a degrade ser fac slur)

Will he apply this new idea to the Sea Org staff?

Will he mention anything about lowering the taxes the Sea Org puts on the Orgs so the staff can have any pay?

Will he mention any tax breaks from CofS Internal Revenue Branches like SMI, ABLE, WISE, Applied Scholastics, etc etc?

With the structure the way it is the Managment has been taking all the money available.

Will they let anyone else have any?

T.O.

And that raises a question I have had for a while. From my limited exposure, it seems that the focus in the orgs has been Building donos and IAS cycles. Courses and auditing being de-emphasized. The church doesn't have to report the donos, but it does have to report the income from services delivered.

First, is that a valid observation. If so, how will they do both?

[Little Bear Victor]

LBV, I'm wondering what resources DM has in compiling, piloting and finalizing the new levels, what with Ray being in the SP room (and tech terminals blown or offloaded)?

Are you saying that he's bypassing and doing it all himself, as usual?

I don't know enough about OT levels to answer on this. For all I know, someone just needs to type up the auditing questions. But, at the other end of the spectrum of possibilities, the levels may not really even exist as anything but LRH notes on his own sessions, completely unorganized. All I've ever seen is one photo of two filing cabinets presumably containing all of LRH's "research" for the rest of the OT levels on the Bridge.

It's rather theoretical, but I would say he'll assign Ray Mithoff and Sue Wilhere (both in SP Room) and a couple of other guys to it, subsequently rejects the work as 'suppressive alter-is,' takes what they did, finishes it off and says he did it all by himself. That's what he has done with almost every production cycle for as long back as I know.


Well, we know with the income for the Sea Org that Sea Org members for DECADES should have been able to get the same pay as "wogs." (I hate this term, it is such a degrade ser fac slur)

Will he apply this new idea to the Sea Org staff?

Will he mention anything about lowering the taxes the Sea Org puts on the Orgs so the staff can have any pay?

Will he mention any tax breaks from CofS Internal Revenue Branches like SMI, ABLE, WISE, Applied Scholastics, etc etc?

With the structure the way it is the Managment has been taking all the money available.

Will they let anyone else have any?

T.O.

Anyone else than who? "Management" isn't really the recipient of the monies although it may be the collector thereof. Yes, they do get some money for running expenses, but DM has made sure their FP#1 is absolute minimum, and they don't often get even that. While no expert on finance lines either, as far as I know, the money goes largely to SOR and other accounts under DM's direct control.

I believe SO member 'allocation' has gone up once in the last 20 year's time to the current breathtaking $50 (minus medicare -- and what the heck did we pay medicare for if we couldn't get any medical care is beyond me).

Remember, that DM says Org staff will get the same pay as wogs doesn't mean they will, but it does sound promising, like everything else in Scientology.


And that raises a question I have had for a while. From my limited exposure, it seems that the focus in the orgs has been Building donos and IAS cycles. Courses and auditing being de-emphasized. The church doesn't have to report the donos, but it does have to report the income from services delivered.

First, is that a valid observation. If so, how will they do both?

Your observation is valid -- donations against no service but a promise of Scientology expansion is the most major income source now. As to finance lines -- we need to ask someone who worked in Int Finance to explain that mess.

[Mick Wenlock]

I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.

The next step in preparation for this release is changing the requirements for Saint Hill Size orgs.

This is an important matter, for you might think it would be impossible or at least a very difficult thing for DM to change one of the best known -- at least to staff -- LRH policies. But not so: He already briefed Milano 'Ideal Org' staff on this strategy as a 'pilot' to see how they react, and management has been briefed and nobody seemed to have any great objection to it.

How can this be?

Pretty easy: Purpose is above policy, so DM is taking the angle of what the purpose of 339R and Saint Hill size is: To get all orgs in the world above the make-break point. Combined with personal incentive to staff members, it will succeed, and that is exactly how he has it laid out: The new basis for Saint Hill size is going to be staff pay.

The story is long and boring and goes back to when DM visited Saint Hill and took a look at the SH student enrollment records from the SH boom days... (This is undoubtedly the way he is going to start his presentation.) But, basically, the end result is going to be a whole different set of requirements, radically lower than the current requirements for Saint Hill size, and staff will be happy as the key requirement is '' the same or slightly better pay for staff as the average wage for a similar job in the wog world.'' What staff member would not vouch for that, after making virtually no income for decades working for Scientology, but rather having been forced to moonlight and sacrifice whatever else they made otherwise? I don't think anyone is going to be asking 'is this based on LRH?' especially since DM, true to style, is going to make sure the 'applicable' LRH references will be a central part of the briefing. 'Applicable' won't include the current standards for SH size.

It is probably clear for most people why is this the next big strategic step toward releasing OT IX and X: The last major prerequisite, and the worst bugged one, to be filled is 'all orgs in the world the size of old Saint Hill.'

So we should shortly see DM's debug: Change the requirements.

I am rather certain the release of OT IX and X will be timed with the 20th anniversary of Freewinds. Whether it can be pulled off by that time is a different question, but it is without question DM's intention. It has been in the making for several years. With recent events, this is a very likely thing to be implemented at this time.

The implementation includes changing the finance system for orgs to make this possible.

If not part of the public event, it might be a 'special briefing for staff only,' in which case we won't see it featured. That might be a preferable way for DM, as then a 'miraculous' expansion could be made to take place, with all orgs suddenly going 'SH size' without the public even knowing about the change in requirements. DM could then also make it look like Scientologist had suddenly risen up to the occasion due to an 'external enemy,' to try and motivate the public. Yes, that too is predictable as the sun rising.

Either way, I think this data should be disseminated broadly before the event so that as many Scientologist and staff know of it beforehand.

One of two things could happen as a result: 1) Any Scientology public who hears of it first from outside sources would be less likely to fall for DMs crap on March 13th and have the cognition that the outside world knows more than the average staff member or 2) DM would have to give up on that strategy or at least radically modify it or delay its implementation. Would be a win either way.


There is a way to finance this without actually making any huge changes and without it impacting policy either. Give the orgs 20% of the IAS money regged in any one week for staff pay. ( in addition to the 30% of CGI) the IAS slush fund provides many opportunities for this sort of thing.

I suspect LBV, that you are correct. DM is going to have to wave something significant in front of the faithful next month or he is goign to look like he is losing - even to them.

[SarahNW]

Huh, I was JUST talking about this with a friend of mine. I said the same thing, almost word-for-word, as LBV did. :p

I completely agree.

I've always felt that DM was saving 9 and 10 for one of several reasons:

1) He wanted to keep them in reserve in case Scn ever got into trouble
2) He wanted to keep them in reserve in case Scn ever needed a sudden and major cash injection
3) He wanted to keep them in reserve until there were more OT8s sitting around

Or all three.

Who else thinks that DM, with his famous talent for hyperbole and exaggeration, will set a totally ridiculous target for the release of OT11 and 12? Speculations on that target?

[The Oracle]

Huh, I was JUST talking about this with a friend of mine. I said the same thing, almost word-for-word, as LBV did. :p

I completely agree.

I've always felt that DM was saving 9 and 10 for one of several reasons:

1) He wanted to keep them in reserve in case Scn ever got into trouble
2) He wanted to keep them in reserve in case Scn ever needed a sudden and major cash injection
3) He wanted to keep them in reserve until there were more OT8s sitting around

Or all three.

Who else thinks that DM, with his famous talent for hyperbole and exaggeration, will set a totally ridiculous target for the release of OT11 and 12? Speculations on that target?


They had to rework the OT8 three times.

They ordered the original OT8's back on to ot7.

They promised Super Power and, well....

Frankly I don't think DM can do much to rally enthusiasm at this point no matter what he is dangleing in front of people.

T.O.

[Div6]

Well Anon is looking to tape the event as it happens....be interesting if he brings the cruiser on for another thetan to thetan lip lock...

[Good twin]

They changed the definition of "Clear"
They changed the definition of "F/N"
They are changing the definition of "St Hill Size"
SOMEBODY HAS AN MU!!!!!!
:readrules:

[SarahNW]

They had to rework the OT8 three times.

They ordered the original OT8's back on to ot7.

They promised Super Power and, well....

Frankly I don't think DM can do much to rally enthusiasm at this point no matter what he is dangleing in front of people.

T.O.

I dunno about that. To those who've been on the outside for a long time, it's easy to imagine the bubble bursting - not so, I think, for those still in. All the OTs I used to know would be scrambling over each other to sign up for 9 and 10.

[Zinjifar]

They changed the definition of "Clear"
They changed the definition of "F/N"
They are changing the definition of "St Hill Size"
SOMEBODY HAS AN MU!!!!!!
:readrules:

did you miss the new definition of an M/U?

Zinj

[Little Bear Victor]

They had to rework the OT8 three times.

They ordered the original OT8's back on to ot7.

They promised Super Power and, well....

Frankly I don't think DM can do much to rally enthusiasm at this point no matter what he is dangleing in front of people.

T.O.

Among the true believers, the release of OT IX and X would be nearly tantamount to the return of L. Ron Hubbard. OTs (as well as everyone else) have been waiting for it for 20 years...

It would be a massive cash infusion and quite possibly the biggest single carrot there is in whole of Scientology. (Apart from LRH returning, which circumstance has much more significant problems connected to it, which I don't want to try and describe right now.)

Any amount of "failed purpose" can be instantly handled by rekindling the original purpose. This is true for anyone still in. Just look at the result from republishing, for the second time, the 'corrected' LRH books!

Unless someone external forces DM to face the music, it can go on forever. The redo of the entry routes, purif, objectives, grades, the release of Mark VIII meter, Golden Age of Tech 2, SuperPower, on through to OT IX and X (leaving out a few hundred other things)-- He is set up to milk the existing public until they die of old age, AS LONG AS HE CAN KEEP THEM IN, ISOLATED FROM THE REAL WORLD AND BELIEVING IN WHAT HE SAYS.

That's really the main issue. But were working on it.

[The Oracle]

did you miss the new definition of an M/U?

Zinj

:hysterical:

[The Oracle]

I dunno about that. To those who've been on the outside for a long time, it's easy to imagine the bubble bursting - not so, I think, for those still in. All the OTs I used to know would be scrambling over each other to sign up for 9 and 10.

All the OT's I used to know convinced me to leave.

T.O.

[pomfritz]

Really how many have finished OT7 or are even on it? There was this big push to get 10K on OT7 a few years back. Knowing how they "think big" versus the small reality, I would safely say they were nowhere near that number in actual OT7's in the chair. Let's say 1,000 max and only a handful have finished it. I don't see a big rush of people to go onto 9 and 10.

So would there be such a financial windfall? It depends on how much they charge and how long the rundowns are but I don't think the take is going to be that large.

On the flip side, I'd also venture that not all 8's will go do the next level. More and more will finally wake-up to the scam being run on them and "stall" themselves. Those that do go higher on the levels will themselves cog "WTF?" and leave/become inactive.

[The Oracle]

OT8 was released almost 20 years ago.

A lot of the people who went to do it were 50 or 60 years old.

Many have passed on.

Many who were told they had to go back on OT7 politely changed their telephone numbers.

You can ask Ohteate about numbers because his wife Donna was working in the solo nots unit.

I have to contest this prediction about this new release at the Birthday Event.

I will tell you what I forsee.

I forsee the entire message at this event from DM ser facing on public for not taking more responsibility and joining staff. And saying in so many words the entire reason for the failure of superpower building and all the rest is THE PUBLIC'S FAULT for not joining staff.

That's my prediction.

T.O.

[pomfritz]

OT8 was released almost 20 years ago.

I forsee the entire message at this event from DM ser facing on public for not taking more responsibility and joining staff. And saying in so many words the entire reason for the failure of superpower building and all the rest is THE PUBLIC'S FAULT for not joining staff.

That's my prediction.

T.O.

He's been saying this at many of the events since 03.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

When I see Tom Cruise running around on the EPF in his little shorts, then I too will join the Sea Org.

[PirateAndBum]

I posted on this in another thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=67248&postcount=16

DM has already reduced the St Hill size requirements, this was done a number of years ago. The latest degrade is "Ideal Orgs" - no real size reqs as far as I know.

I'd like to know how he thinks he's gonna manage getting staff pay up to the "real world" standards. I did hear that the staff pay system had been changed recently. I'm with Jerry McQuire on this one: "Show me the money!"

I thought he'd already pretty much eliminated any hard reqs for an Ideal Org - thus paving the way to release OT IX & X without any real expansion. He probably has to do something to PR this degrade as it isn't going unnoticed by the members.

He has to do something to keep the gravy train moving -- all the existing public will do their basics and the stats will crash again. All those OT VIII comps coming off the line have no big-bucks services to pay for - right now they are funneling their free cash into buying buildings. There is an ever present need to come up with new products to sell to the existing membership. So far he's been quite clever at pulling rabbits out of his butt.

[Emma]

Interesting.

I think you are right LBV. In the face of all this opposition, DM has to pull a *win* out of his ass somehow. After all you can tell how well Scientology is doing by how loud the SPs howl right? Well the SPs are screaming right now.

Releasing OT 9 & 10 by making an arbitrary change to "St Hill Sized" requirements simply HAS to occur. If the change doesn't happen, the Orgs will never go St Hill sized and OT 9 & 10 will never be released.

The Mark VIII has to be released soon too. The cashflow probably needs the boost.

[PirateAndBum]

I dunno about that. To those who've been on the outside for a long time, it's easy to imagine the bubble bursting - not so, I think, for those still in. All the OTs I used to know would be scrambling over each other to sign up for 9 and 10.

It just ocurred to me that many have already paid for OT IX & X. They regged it back when they sold them OT VIII. I guess they'll institute quarterly-checks where you have to go back to FLAG to burn some auditing hours to keep the revenue stream flowing.

[The Oracle]

It just ocurred to me that many have already paid for OT IX & X. They regged it back when they sold them OT VIII. I guess they'll institute quarterly-checks where you have to go back to FLAG to burn some auditing hours to keep the revenue stream flowing.

That's right. The original ot8 package included 9 and 10 as well.

Many people paid for it over 20 years ago and a lot of them have passed on or "retired" from the Church.

The Church has sold OT 9 and 10 to many people already and has not delivered it in fact, told the OT8's they had to go back to OT7! Or do the "New OT8" or the "Expanded OT8".

They have also sold Super Power to thousands of people and not delivered that.

They have MILLIONS of dollars on account for paid service they are refusing to deliver, or will not deliver.

And lately they are telling the public it is THEIR fault they are not getting what they paid for because they are not on staff!

T.O.

[PirateAndBum]

It's been a few events since DM has made the public should join staff closing words. Maybe the New Years event was different. I've been wondering when he was going to climb back on that horse. Seems the huge push is to get all the orgs to get new buildings. Renovating them is going to take a good long while though.

The impact on the org's service delivery by so much heavy regging for the IAS & Ideal Orgs certainly can't have helped matters. Who can afford to pay for services when every dime you have is donated. Recent money demands have been through the roof. With the release of the Basics - 3,500. Course cost another 1,500 or so. No sooner had the new building been purchased with a monumental regging effort (including the entire OT commitee) (they raised over 1.5 million dollars, half of which was done by a "group loan", i.e. NO ONE had the money so bunch of public agreed as a group to each take a piece of a huge loan deal that was worked out somehow) but the very next week the IAS is in town saying they gotta raise 100K right now (if everyone can just do 3,500...) ! OMG - insanity.

They are truly bleeding the public dry. I can see going into debt to pay for services, but to mortgage your house so you can make a donation to buy a building - and done by an OT VIII that had a carved in granite policy to NEVER BORROW. I was floored.

These building are being purchased outright - no mortgages. They are accumulating quite a lot of assets in real estate. Maybe DM's planning to go into renting commercial office space if things blow up. Just remembered brother Ronnie is now in the real estate biz... :)

[PirateAndBum]

Most long time Scios have been on staff. Once bitten (or multiply lacerated) twice shy.

I'm not sure what it would take to get the major players in the field to join staff. A good many are ex-SO so they can't join CL V staff. And they sure as hell aren't going to go back into the SO.

Most new staff are recruited from new blood or the now grown children of Scios.

The public they want most are also the public that are doing well in life - making way more than "average-wage" and have a standard of living that they aren't likely to give up. DM wants the same dedication as a SO member gives - that's why he did the whole TC thing back in 2004. Pushing "here on the same terms as the rest of us. Win or die in the attempt." Grrrrrr.

Don't see that it's working.

On the last push to buy the building they had an int mission in -- doing ethics handlings on public. Looking for couter-intention. I suspect that ethics is going to be stepped up as a tool. This will surely back-fire and further upset the field. :grouch:

[Mojo]

The cashflow probably needs the boost.

As someone else mentioned earlier, one single IAS donor of 5 million bucks makes up for a whole lot of missing-pc's. So to speak.

It's nearly universally agreed upon (based on that pesky applied-concept called 'looking') that orgs around the world are rapidly approaching an anti-critical-mass state of being, meaning, they're nearly empty of new recruits.

I think DM envisions a future wherein less is more. At least in terms of real people (scientologists) doing real things (auditing/studying/growing) that make a real difference in 'their' lives and in the lives of those around them
(think Freezone as a possiblity for example). Let's face it, if DM actually believed in any reality whatsoever about an OT Bridge to Total Freedom, he would have completed OT 8 long long ago.

But he hasn't cause he didn't and he didn't and he won't. And that's the pink elephant in the livingroom (from my humble though enlightened point of view).

DM believes in power and fundamentally understands it's relationship to money. Along with it's relationship to blackmail, deception and periodical thugs. He doesn't understand Love. And quite possibly, never has.

Thus the only 'faithful' DM is concerned with are those that have the capacity to continue to accomodate his sense of power (think rich adherents). Which capacity itself is evidently abberated. Witness his treatment of staff for example. Had he understood his reliance upon them for his future he would not have abused them and discarded them with such cavalier disregard as he has done so in the past (and apparently continues do so in the present).

Certainly many may disagree with my assesment here. So be it. Nonetheless I am certain that DM's speechs to the crowds of thousands at the appointed events were/are speechs designed for the chosen 'Thetans" seated in the front row of the auditorium. At least in some large, calculated sense and degree.

DM is no LRH.

And DM will quite possibly do what LBV predicts. But for reasons that defy un-aberrated comprehension.

Mojo

P.S. Think 'the logic' preceeding the Churchs (i.e. DM's) now near infamous capacity for bulls-eye type foot-bullets (to substantiate my final statement above).

[The Oracle]

These building are being purchased outright - no mortgages.

Because they charge the staff rent.

Then they charge the staff 10% of their income for "managment".

Daaaaah!

http://www.last.fm/music/Pink+Floyd/+videos/+1-4hkjkTe5kZE

All in all, another brick in the wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw&feature=related

T.O.

[Snuffy]

Recently had a call from an IAS reg, telling about an event tonight in the UK that had to do with Religious Recognition. It was the first call I'd received from them in a while. Looks like this is the next PR bomb to drop on the public, who are dazzled in the wake of the Anon protest. Seems they're trying to play the Religious Recognition card to raise funds with which to fight Anonymous in the UK.

If $cn gets religious recognition in the UK, they can hide behind a bunch of legislation that is there to protect valid religions. This must not be allowed to occur.

BTW, I tried to get the caller to see the contradiction behind $cn's support of Human Rights, including the right to assemble in public, and the Official Church Line that the Anon protests constituted terrorist activity. He of course couldn't see any contradiction there at all. "It all comes down to basic purpose," he said. "They're trying to harm people; we're trying to help people."

Ho-hum. The old mind-control POV. Hopefully, I'll have planted a small seed of doubt in his desert of a mind.

Anyway, re: this thread topic, I'm sure DM would love to announce Religious Recognition in the UK at the March 13th event. Let's not let that happen.

[OHTEEATE]

Per the policy "Out ethics indicators", the crimes of an executive include Waste and Extravagance. DM is guilty of both.
Waste, several times, large pushes have occured to man up Tech at Flag in preparation for Super Power delivery. I twinned with a guy who was part of one of those evolutions. The delivery building is still just a shell, and there is no Super Power three years after I left the TTC. How many of those 100 or so guys do you think are on post as auditors? The staff are wasted.
Extravagance. Buildings at Int fitted out with fabulous luxury, god only knows what CST sites look like in the exec quarters. DMs personal clothing, shoes, of highest quality. 100 million plus donated for Super Power and no product. ABLE donations go straight to Sea Org reserves and not to the intended org(fraud). The CofS is basically, PROPS, like on a Hollywood set. The real scene is hundreds of millions going somewhere for somebodies getaway scheme. Trementina is set up to live comfortably, self sustaining, forever. No food shortage no matter what the US economy does. Weapons to keep out visitors, no matter how determined they are to visit. Private airstrip. All the events are SHOW . They are to keep the suckers contributing, until the economy collapses and the countries of the world collapse. 2008 is going to be very wild. Buy storable food.

[dr3k]

Thanks for the thread Victor - the party van will let Scientologists know about this :)

[Dulloldfart]

Div6, I don't know, but let me guess: How many orgs were there in the world when LRH announced the Birthday Game? Who says all CURRENT orgs need to be SH size? "That's not what LRH meant," was it?

(Actually I probably shouldn't give that idea to DM, he'll use it...)

I never heard the target as "All current orgs SH-sized". That's what always made it a nonsense target to my mind, as if there was a steadily-expanding scene there would always be some orgs that weren't SH-sized as groups expanded to missions, and missions expanded to small orgs, and small orgs expanded to large orgs. Always.

"150 orgs SH-sized" would make sense as a doable target, at least theoretically.

I don't think there has been that much change in the past thirty years as to number of orgs anyway. How many more now than thirty years ago? Ten?

Paul

http://www.fzglobal.org/miscpix/cos_sign_pra_sig.jpg (http://www.fzglobal.org/miscpix/cos_sign_pra.jpg)

[Giuseppe]

The real scene is hundreds of millions going somewhere for somebodies getaway scheme. Trementina is set up to live comfortably, self sustaining, forever.

Giuseppe was in FB for a time of 1986. Payments to Flag (what the CLIV orgs pay to FB) was 1.8 million dollars for that one week that I know of. Giuseppe encountered the FBO, nice fat old woman, weird sense of humor, wise beyond her years, Giuseppe cannot remember her name), and she was walking with that week spoils in her hands. I could see the receipt/tally and out of curiousness, Giuseppe now knows this to be 100% fact.

Nevermind that FB staff were all eating beans and rice for a year, THAT year!

Giuseppe does that in maths (assuming stats stay the same, nevermind going UP!):

1.8 million for 1 week. Had to be at least that for two or three year prior. Giuseppe will start with 1984, nice year for Giuseppe.

52 weeks for one year: $93,600,000.00 per year for 22 year (1040 weeks)!

$1,872,000,000.00 en total

Giuseppe doesn't know what expenses are, so Giuseppe cannot speak to that.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

How much of that do the lawyers get?

[lrnobs]

I never heard the target as "All current orgs SH-sized". That's what always made it a nonsense target to my mind, as if there was a steadily-expanding scene there would always be some orgs that weren't SH-sized as groups expanded to missions, and missions expanded to small orgs, and small orgs expanded to large orgs. Always.

"150 orgs SH-sized" would make sense as a doable target, at least theoretically.

I don't think there has been that much change in the past thirty years as to number of orgs anyway. How many more now than thirty years ago? Ten?

Paul



http://www.scientologytoday.org/around-the-world/index.htm

I count 92 orgs including the AOs and Saint Hills

331 missions and I believe a mission can be a meeting place in someones house.

But then on this page:
http://www.scientologytoday.org/index.htm
they cannot seem to decide if they have:
4,500 churches, missions and groups
or
more than 6,000 Scientology churches, missions and groups

All this time I thought they were lying, but maybe, just maybe, they really just suck at math. :)

[Björkist]

Off topic: But it's interesting that the CofS can spend hundreds of millions ($$$) in court battles but can't pay its staff & SO.

I'm sure that can be turned into an effective picket sign for impingement on staff members.

[Dulloldfart]

http://www.scientologytoday.org/around-the-world/index.htm

I count 92 orgs including the AOs and Saint Hills



Day and Foundation are considered separate orgs by SO Mgmt.

Paul

[lrnobs]

Day and Foundation are considered separate orgs by SO Mgmt.

Paul

In the publicly available list they show them as one, which is of course how the real world would view it. Real churches do not have to pad their stats. They do have millions of members and thousands of churches.

There is an itty bitty Christian church a few blocks from me. They typically have about 30 cars in the parking lot on Sundays, which is about the same amount that is in the St Louis COS parking lot on Saturdays and Sundays.:hmm:

[Alan]

In the publicly available list they show them as one, which is of course how the real world would view it. Real churches do not have to pad their stats. They do have millions of members and thousands of churches.

There is an itty bitty Christian church a few blocks from me. They typically have about 30 cars in the parking lot on Sundays, which is about the same amount that is in the St Louis COS parking lot on Saturdays and Sundays.:hmm:

25 of those cars are St Louis COS staff cars! :omg:

[ChaoticPsychotic]

I got a lovely recruitment call last weekend. Some young girl politely inquired if I had ever been on staff. I told her no. (I was in the SO, never on staff) She acted confused - I think I was on a list she had as having been on staff. She told me that she was calling all old staff members to see if they wanted to re-join. I told her that I was not a Scientologist. She asked if I ever had been. I told her yes I had but no longer was. She wanted to know if I had an ARC break of sorts. I laughed and told her "honey, you don't even want to go there!".

They are desperate. They are trying to get people back on board.

I get nightly phone calls to see if I have gotten the new basics package.

The org near my house is so freaked out by Anonymous that they are running nightly all-night watch shifts!

Eager to see what March 15th brings!

[Crusty Old Bastard]

Great post LBV -

The prediction of XI and X coming out at next years MV event is pretty much a given at this point.

Of course there is that "All Orgs to St. Hill Size" problem. But hey, you can always change the definition.

If fact, as I am sure you know, the definition of what is a "St. Hill Size Org" was already changed several years back.

For those getting up to speed on this subject, here is a bit more data:

The stated, specific statistical requirements an Org needed to meet to be "St. Hill Size" per the "How Big Was Old St. Hill?" booklet has been utterly changed.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=18328&postcount=2

ALL the emphasis now is on IDEAL Orgs - which by their very nature will essentially be "St. Hill Size". Basically, the idea even of St. Hill Size has been replaced by being Ideal. It is MORE IMPORTANT to staff to be Ideal than St. Hill Size. Just ask them.

You would think that changing this very well know requirement would case veteran Staff to go to arms - hardly. Public Scn's really never knew what it took statistically to be St. Hill Size, so of course the would not notice if the definition changed - plus just throw some sparkly PR at the new Ideal Org program and you sell public easy enough. But the guys who have been on staff for 20 years KNOW what the requirements are for St. Hill Size - so why don't they say something?

Easy - they DON'T KNOW the "Ideal Orgs" they see that are now "St. Hill Size" are tiny. They mostly assume they really are truly St. Hill Size. How would they know otherwise? They are too busy looking inward at their own Org to wonder much about exactly how many staff there are in Spain, Tampa, New York, etc. Meanwhile those Orgs are all but empty with small staff.

DM has already completely changed the def. of St. Hill Size - this occurred several years ago with the launch of the Ideal Org program.

And Scn's didn't notice.

There really is no reason to make it so Scn staff make the same as an outside job would. I really see no way this is actually possible. Sure 30% CGI is for staff pay - add to this FSM commissions. But remember, after the CGI (the CORRECTED gross income) is a few thousand dollars for everyone to share. Or the CGI can also be zero.

There is NO WAY Orgs can afford to pay staff at a rate commensurate to an outside job - they simply don't make that much money. Honestly - if you sat in on an Org's FP you would see that they could never support that. Unless the did not pay: tithes, film fees, promo fees, event / release fees, building fund, regular internal POs for supplies, and their regular bills.

The only reason Orgs get buy is that they DON'T have to pay staff. If they did - they would simply not be able to stay open.

There may be some exceptions - but this is true certainly for the vast majority of Orgs.

Putting the carrot out there for "more staff pay" and "you are St. Hill Size when staff make the same as a wog job" is a great PR line, but to sustain that the Org would have to sell auditing and training in volume, which they don't. They would have to be a REAL St. Hill size org - 200 auditor students, 25 HGC auditors, 5 staff staff auditors and be making 250,000 US a week - that is a pipe dream for your average Class V Org.

It will be interesting to see the spin that DM puts on this. I heard about this "new staff pay plan" being piloted about 4 years ago - I never heard anything since.

He will do whatever is necessary to say Orgs are "St. Hill Size" (even when their auditors made is 2 and everyone in Div 6 is an old timer doing the Basics [with maybe 2 real div 6ers] and a staff of 30) so that OT XI and X can be released. No doubt about it, he needs a big "watershed" event.

And of course eliminating expanded grades and replacing them with the "restoration" of Quad Grades means that NO BODY will ever do auditor training again - it will be the nail in the coffin. Why train when you can just buy 3 -4 intensives for ALL your grades? It will be the swan song of training forever.

And why quickie all these guys through grades? Easy - OTs are CASH COWS - lower level PCs are not. An OT VII will have to donate a good 30K to 40K a year (6 month checks, pledge intensives, accomos, cramming, review, Basics, etc.) where as Joe, sitting at the bottom of the Bridge does not. Give him an OT level carrot though and watch him FLY up that Bridge. Hell, he has been waiting a long time to do so, so let's get him moving! To the reg that is.

Nice to see a Class IV making such sweeping technical changes.

Funny, RTC is not supposed to manage Orgs directly . . . and yet . . .


Crusty Old Bastard

[Bea Kiddo]

And totally as an aside... where are they getting the Universe Corps teams for those orgs? Is DM going to cancel that too? Probably....

The UC has been unmocked every time it has been put together.

[Crusty Old Bastard]

And totally as an aside... where are they getting the Universe Corps teams for those orgs? Is DM going to cancel that too? Probably....

The UC has been unmocked every time it has been put together.

Oh that's easy - the UC won't touch your staff unless they are already Clear.

Problem solved as they never will be. Even with Quad Grades coming back, they would still need to do the prurif, Objs, DRD, HRD and then NED.

So -the Orgs will all be Ideal, St. Hill size and all, but the staff will still not be Clear, so no need for UC.

COB

[Bea Kiddo]

Oh that's easy - the UC won't touch your staff unless they are already Clear.

Problem solved as they never will be. Even with Quad Grades coming back, they would still need to do the prurif, Objs, DRD, HRD and then NED.

So -the Orgs will all be Ideal, St. Hill size and all, but the staff will still not be Clear, so no need for UC.

COB

DM!!! thank you for setting that straight. No worries now!!!

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