New Scn Leader?

[Ivy]

Hi -
This is my first post, but have been following this forum with great interest for quite some time. I got out of Scn when Reed Slatkin hit the fan. Was in since the 60's, second generation Scn. My family is still a broken mess because of the disconnection policy. But that's another Oprah for another day...

I have been reading the posts about various people wondering who might be an effective leader to pick up the pieces in the Church if/when David Miscavige runs for the hills, goes to jail, or whatever. Some think Diana would be good, etc. I personally think there is only one person with the power who could possibly take over. Tom Cruise. Now, before you scoff, hear me out.

I know he and DM are currently 'best friends'. He's also VERY dedicated to the Church. If Tom TRULY knew what DM was doing to his Church: the injustices, the mistreatment of staff, the squirreling of the tech, etc. he'd be the one would rise up and do something about it. His PR is already rather tarnished these days - at least with the general public - so anything DM decides to sling at him from his PC folders couldn't really hurt his reputation much more. But he's the one guy who would scare DM enough to send him running. Or if he already ran, to put the pieces back together. He wouldn't be one to run the Church, but he'd be in a position to put together a new Int Mgmt team and let them get on with it. Tom has the money, power, notoriety. He's very well thought of in the Scn community. The general public would instantly accept him as a leader. The already know him. He's not someone DM could send to the RPF for mutiny (although he could declare him).

Of course, the hard part is getting Tom to realize he's been had by his good pal, DM, and that the injustices really exist in the Church...

[dr3k]

Tom Cruise would be SOOOOOO much better for the church ...

[PirateAndBum]

Welcome to the board Ivy!

I have to disagree. I think the entire management structure of the church needs to be ABOLISHED. No more SO. no more CLO, FLO, INT, CMO, WDC, RTC, CST.

There is no way to fix the current setup. It is flawed and locked in place by KSW #1. As Ron said, the best political system is a benign monarchy - the problem is succession (and I may add the deterioration of the existing, once good, monarch). Current structure basically requires a benign monarch(s). The are no checks & balances in the structure of the organization. Thus we get DM.

I suppose there is some need for maybe one organization to certify orgs delivery capabilities, coordinate publishing the materials and perhaps settling disputes, but I'm not sure that I'd give them any power over a church. In fact it should be the other way round. Any upper body could be thrown out by a 2/3 majority of churches.

Scientology would spread far faster if all the management crap was eliminated.

Let people start and run churches just like the Christians do. Let them deliver whatever they can deliver based on their trained staff. I suppose there should be some sort of certification of what "class" church you were and thus what services you could deliver, but this would be a very straight-forward checklist of requirements. Any church should be able to train up to the level of class VIII or even class XII if they have the requisite trained staff. Delivery of OT levels would also be by meeting requirements for your technical staff.

If all the crap was eliminated I think you'd see a lot of highly trained people come back to help out.

It would cause a MASSIVE flow of stranded Scientologists up the bridge.

Oh but who is going to protect the "tech"? Well, let me point out that RTC is NOT doing that now so WTF good are they?

Oh the squirrels - well word would get around. Results or no results. Don't give good service - you'll shrivel and die.

Some new slogans:

FREE THE ORGS!!!

RTC LET MY ORG GO FREE


The entire freezone could come out from under the threats of the C of S.

[Mark A. Baker]

Welcome to the board Ivy!

I have to disagree. I think the entire management structure of the church needs to be ABOLISHED. No more SO. no more CLO, FLO, INT, RTC, CST.

Let people start and run churches just like the Christians do.

Oh but who is going to protect the "tech"? Well, let me point out that RTC is NOT doing that now so WTF good are they?

I suppose there is some need for maybe one organization to coordinate publishing the materials and perhaps settling disputes, but I'm not sure that I'd give them any power over a church.

Scientology would spread far faster if all the management crap was eliminated.

Oh the squirrels - well word would get around. Results or no results. Don't give good service - you'll shrivel and die.

There is no way to fix the current setup. It is flawed and locked in place by KSW #1. As Ron said, the best political system is a benign monarchy - the problem is succession (and I may add the deterioration of the existing, once good, monarch). Current structure basically requires a benign monarch(s). The are no checks & balances in the structure of the organization. Thus we get DM.

My new motto: FREE THE ORGS!!!

Yo Ho, Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life for Me! :thumbsup:


Mark A. Baker

[Alan]

Tom Cruise would be SOOOOOO much better for the church ...



WE WANT TOM

WE WANT TOM

WE WANT TOM

Hip - hip - hooray - for our new leader!

T O M

[Ivy]

Hi Mark -
I guess it's all what each of us believes. Some people believe the old tech to be something to be salvaged. Some people would rather see the whole thing scraped to the ground and tamped on hard. (And I believe the only way to do that is to hit its achilles heel by abolishing its tax exemption.) Others would rather it just implode itself and turn into something like the empty Christian Science Reading Rooms. (If we just leave DM alone, that will happen in the near future.) Scraping it to the ground wouldn't kill the Church - its members would just gravitate into the Freezone or more Churches would spring up. I personally think the Freezone is a good fresh start for those who would like to keep the tech.

I totally understand what you mean by it already being 'flawed' by KSW. And I agree. Finding any workable tech in the Church now is kind of like picking glass out of your food. But those who believe in the tech are still going to believe in it.

If Tom were to take over the Church, you're quite right - a lot of the "outies" WOULD stream back in. New people WOULD flood back in because of Tom. It would be their salvation. Depending on your viewpoint, this is either a good thing or a bad thing.

Free the Orgs and set them all free to run themselves? Now that's an idea... Let the strong survive... That's one option I hadn't thought of.

[Ivy]

Oops! Sorry Mark, I should have addressed my reply to PirateAndBum. I'm still getting the hang of this thing...

[Terril park]

Free the Orgs and set them all free to run themselves? Now that's an idea... Let the strong survive... That's one option I hadn't thought of.

The freezone are among the strong. So are the independants
such as Alan.

Pilot had the vision of a Freezone and Church co-operating.

Best is if Tom goes publically freezone friendly. The family who introduced him to scientology, the Spicklers ( Mimi Rogers) are now freezone.

If he does that and remains publically a scientologist this would probably destroy Miscavidges hold on COS and members. DM would have no credibility at all re attacks on Tom.

Others may wish to consider how such a scenario might go.

[sandygirl]

I agree with P&B. What really is the need for all of the upper management?

If the main product is getting people up the bridge-keep the resources in the actual orgs.

Keep auditing affordable-say 250-500 per hour.

If public are getting good results and not being hit up for donations, recruiting, and all of the other BS they will come in and will bring others in.

I don't really see how an org could not be self sufficient with much lower rates and not sending local money off to "mgmt.

Offer courses and let the students have plesant experience on course-don't have staff lining up 5 deep at 10 min. to 10 waiting like vultures!!!

Pay your staff well-if the org. is run like any other business and is giving good service there should be plenty to actuall pay salaries.

Sell good products-stop asking everyone for constant donations.

You know what though? I don't think I'll ever trust enough to go back. I don't think the basic mindset is one I could ever deal with again. It was too much for me time and time again.

[Good twin]

I agree with Terril. If Tc were to publicly ally himself with the Freezone, that would change everything.
Problem is, as far as I can tell no Freezoner is going to lovebomb him for his celebrity status. IMO he's not the Jesus of Scientology because of the gains he's gotten from anything resembling standard tech. He's telling as many lies as DM. He knows it's a big PR machine and he's loving it. He most likely would have no allegiance to the Spicklers. From what I've seen he has a very perverted view of "getting ethics in". He works best with a script. DM gives it to him. You wouldn't do that, would you Terril? Sorry, I'm rambling I just totally freaked when he got his Freedom Medal.:omg:

[sandygirl]

As far as TC being ruthless on getting in his ethics-how many traffic accidents do you think he ever really stopped at and got out of the limo?

It must be hundreds in LA alone since he is the "only one" who can really help!
:nervous: :nervous:

[Good twin]

Okay, now you've got me going. While SO members are living on no pay, no time off enforced abortions, in order to ensure that Scientology attains it's goal of a Cleared planet...Tom Cruise is flaunting his pregnant girlfriend and jetting around the world and getting all up COB's butt.
How dare DM lick TC's balls publicly and internationally in front of the thousands of loyal and dedicated who gave their everything for the group!!!!
It was a slap in the face.
There's another idea for a protest sign:

"Do you really think Tom Cruise is doing more to save mankind then YOU are?"

I hereby nominate Bea for a Freedom medal. (Or would it be a Free from medal?)

[sandygirl]

You are so right!! And......how many recuiters will be stopping by Tom and Katie's to recruit and take away Connor and Isabelle? Oh, that's right-none!
I remember being so upset one night because we were getting hasselled for $ big time that we did not have. I turn on Enertainment Tonite and there was a story about Katie's $2000 perfume and Tom's $4000 underpants for the 3Million $ wedding!!! It was so ridicuolous and unfair. We're running around like assholes selling books, going on course, volunteering for this and that and we're getting treated like s***!And this joker gets a medal?

[Good twin]

:melodramatic: Exactly!

[Terril park]

I agree with Terril. If Tc were to publicly ally himself with the Freezone, that would change everything.
Problem is, as far as I can tell no Freezoner is going to lovebomb him for his celebrity status. IMO he's not the Jesus of Scientology because of the gains he's gotten from anything resembling standard tech. He's telling as many lies as DM. He knows it's a big PR machine and he's loving it. He most likely would have no allegiance to the Spicklers. From what I've seen he has a very perverted view of "getting ethics in". He works best with a script. DM gives it to him. You wouldn't do that, would you Terril? Sorry, I'm rambling I just totally freaked when he got his Freedom Medal.:omg:

I'd personally we willing to sacrifice myself on the alter of "Love bombing " Katie. Rotten job, but I'd step up to the plate.

I think he's totally sincere. If he tell lies, and i'm not sure what he tells as I don't follow him much, its no doubt indoctrination.

There is a very interesting comment from Dustin Hoffman
who worked with him and played the autistic brother in a film
" Rainman"

He talked about Tom's exemplary work ethic, good diet,
and so on.

He's somewhat a rondroid! People do get over that ya
know. :) I see him as a ticking time bomb.

All the videos etc that anon has released. You think he refuses to watch them? Well maybe. Do his friends and associates? They probably watch them at times.

Maybe someone will show him Alanzo's open letter or
whatever.

Explosion. :)

[Leon]

Completely autonomous Orgs. That is the only way forward.

[Free to shine]

He's somewhat a rondroid! People do get over that ya
know. :) I see him as a ticking time bomb.




I do too. There was something in his eyes in that video. The real Tom deep inside watching himself spout that dribble and being told to be quiet by the rondroid part.
Time will tell!

[beyond_horizons]

The freezone are among the strong.
......
Others may wish to consider how such a scenario might go.
Well if I were to pull out my 'Quantum Crystal Ball' and choose a possibility, I'm inclined to think that if TC actually did wake up and smelt the cabbage, he would skip the freezone altogether because of all the havoc Xenu and the Markabians have been doing on planet earth ever since the Hubbo, in one of his drug induced trances, created them out of a comic book. IMHO and as I've been telling you for years ... freezone is a halfway house in the grand scheme of things. Did you print up your T-shirts yet for the camera? :D

And if he could wake up, I’m sure it will be because he has switched over to the side of the Jedi, Wooky's, other furry little people opposed to the emperor. I know I did and I know I've come to love all my extended brothers and sisters outside that box wherever I discover and uncover them.

Of course I'm sure it's probably because the word 'Love' has some meaningful definitions when you study other religions. I'n fact in all the other religions it seems to be attribute of 'Godliness' ... interesting , huh?

:cloud9:

[Fancy]

250 to 500 is not affordable. Maybe it is to Tom Cruise but not to the workaday world which includes Min wage.

Barb


I agree with P&B. What really is the need for all of the upper management?

If the main product is getting people up the bridge-keep the resources in the actual orgs.

Keep auditing affordable-say 250-500 per hour.

If public are getting good results and not being hit up for donations, recruiting, and all of the other BS they will come in and will bring others in.

I don't really see how an org could not be self sufficient with much lower rates and not sending local money off to "mgmt.

Offer courses and let the students have plesant experience on course-don't have staff lining up 5 deep at 10 min. to 10 waiting like vultures!!!

Pay your staff well-if the org. is run like any other business and is giving good service there should be plenty to actuall pay salaries.

Sell good products-stop asking everyone for constant donations.

You know what though? I don't think I'll ever trust enough to go back. I don't think the basic mindset is one I could ever deal with again. It was too much for me time and time again.

[Mick Wenlock]

Hi Ivy,

Welcome to the boards, sorry to hear about the family disconnection thing.

Now - with all due respect..

Tom Cruise?

You have got to be kidding. He is either stupid - thats for those who think he may not know what really goes on in the CofS or as manipulative as DM.

He supports what Miscavige does.

The man is an idiot - which has nothing to do with his ability to make money acting - he is a patsy and a beard.

Someone who supports that Odious Runt isn't fit to lead a latrine detail.

Mick


Hi -
This is my first post, but have been following this forum with great interest for quite some time. I got out of Scn when Reed Slatkin hit the fan. Was in since the 60's, second generation Scn. My family is still a broken mess because of the disconnection policy. But that's another Oprah for another day...

I have been reading the posts about various people wondering who might be an effective leader to pick up the pieces in the Church if/when David Miscavige runs for the hills, goes to jail, or whatever. Some think Diana would be good, etc. I personally think there is only one person with the power who could possibly take over. Tom Cruise. Now, before you scoff, hear me out.

I know he and DM are currently 'best friends'. He's also VERY dedicated to the Church. If Tom TRULY knew what DM was doing to his Church: the injustices, the mistreatment of staff, the squirreling of the tech, etc. he'd be the one would rise up and do something about it. His PR is already rather tarnished these days - at least with the general public - so anything DM decides to sling at him from his PC folders couldn't really hurt his reputation much more. But he's the one guy who would scare DM enough to send him running. Or if he already ran, to put the pieces back together. He wouldn't be one to run the Church, but he'd be in a position to put together a new Int Mgmt team and let them get on with it. Tom has the money, power, notoriety. He's very well thought of in the Scn community. The general public would instantly accept him as a leader. The already know him. He's not someone DM could send to the RPF for mutiny (although he could declare him).

Of course, the hard part is getting Tom to realize he's been had by his good pal, DM, and that the injustices really exist in the Church...

[Free to shine]

Hi Ivy,

Welcome to the boards, sorry to hear about the family disconnection thing.

Now - with all due respect..

Tom Cruise?

You have got to be kidding. He is either stupid - thats for those who think he may not know what really goes on in the CofS or as manipulative as DM.

He supports what Miscavige does.

The man is an idiot - which has nothing to do with his ability to make money acting - he is a patsy and a beard.

Someone who supports that Odious Runt isn't fit to lead a latrine detail.

Mick

I agree! TC has bought the PR and has no experience or interest in the REALITY.

[ExScnDude]

A new leader for the church?

I recommend Ron Wiley.

He is currently holding the post of warden at the Colorado Supermax facility.

[Auditor's Toad]

Can I make a nomination?

[GoNuclear]

Can I make a nomination?

DM has been a great cult leader. He has had a great run and has been a great innovator in the field of spiritually conditioning his followers, and has become famous for his EXTREME LAYING ON OF HANDS rituals. He has done so well, in fact, that he is ready to move onto the next phase of the cult business, known as the Bulgravian Boogie!* That will leave an opening, known in the cult industry as a "POWER VACUUM!"

One of 8 principals you will learn on my TV offer course "MAKING BIG MONEY IN THE CULT BUSINESS" is that a vacuum always pulls someone in! That someone will be making BIG MONEY while being waited on by LOYAL, DEDICATED FOLLOWERS. Since loyal followers NEED to follow someone, whoever fills the role of Dear Leader will be doing these people a FAVOR ... and THAT SOMEONE could be YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! Included in my TV offer is the BONUS booklet, "SEVEN WAYS TO TAKE OVER AN EXISTING CULT!" But ya gotta call now ... operators are standing by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pete

* The Bulgravian Boogie is taught only to advanced course students

[lotus]

Tom Cruise would be SOOOOOO much better for the church ...

True

He is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO different than Miscavige .......

:lol:

[lotus]

I recommend

HH

At least it would be fun in the rpf - gulag

or

Robin williams

to play funny games

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[Moosejewels]

I'll second Robin Williams (nanu nanu)

ARE YOU PEOPLE CRAZY !

[apocalyptic]

vanished. to rise again. in a more perfect form.

lol.

[apocalyptic]

Welcome to the board Ivy!

I have to disagree. I think the entire management structure of the church needs to be ABOLISHED. No more SO. no more CLO, FLO, INT, CMO, WDC, RTC, CST.

There is no way to fix the current setup. It is flawed and locked in place by KSW #1. As Ron said, the best political system is a benign monarchy - the problem is succession (and I may add the deterioration of the existing, once good, monarch). Current structure basically requires a benign monarch(s). The are no checks & balances in the structure of the organization. Thus we get DM.

I suppose there is some need for maybe one organization to certify orgs delivery capabilities, coordinate publishing the materials and perhaps settling disputes, but I'm not sure that I'd give them any power over a church. In fact it should be the other way round. Any upper body could be thrown out by a 2/3 majority of churches.

Scientology would spread far faster if all the management crap was eliminated.

Let people start and run churches just like the Christians do. Let them deliver whatever they can deliver based on their trained staff. I suppose there should be some sort of certification of what "class" church you were and thus what services you could deliver, but this would be a very straight-forward checklist of requirements. Any church should be able to train up to the level of class VIII or even class XII if they have the requisite trained staff. Delivery of OT levels would also be by meeting requirements for your technical staff.

If all the crap was eliminated I think you'd see a lot of highly trained people come back to help out.

It would cause a MASSIVE flow of stranded Scientologists up the bridge.

Oh but who is going to protect the "tech"? Well, let me point out that RTC is NOT doing that now so WTF good are they?

Oh the squirrels - well word would get around. Results or no results. Don't give good service - you'll shrivel and die.

Some new slogans:

FREE THE ORGS!!!

RTC LET MY ORG GO FREE


The entire freezone could come out from under the threats of the C of S.

Well thought. Well spoken. Well penned. Kudo's to you Sir, or Ma'am (or both) PirateAndBum.

And though, as a purely practical theoretical matter, a cult without a cult leader is no longer a real cult. In simple terms. And in regard to scientology, that matters. And it does so greatly. In some circles.

Now return our favor of following you here (and the op of this thread), and follow us here: The great divide in regard to the future of scientology has nothing to do with the current church and has everything to do with the people that populate it. And the people that populate it are basically cut of two distinct spiritual cloths.

Thus on the one hand your perception is sound, your analysis strong and your predictions most likely to come true. However, on the other hand, you seem to have missed the fundamental social/religious/spiritual premise upon which scientology as a force in humanity stands. On the dark side. Which all humans have, we trust you agree (a dark side). If not in actuality, at least in potentially. Yes? being called the 'dark' side, for the simple reason it's hidden

Well then, here is the dilemma (for us All to solve) PirateandBum: Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. Literally 'and' Spiritually.

Thus legions of individuals (called scientologists) will refuse to live in a scientology world where there is no scientology 'leader', for the simple reason a lust for power demands an appearance of power to aspire to becoming like. In dog shit reality, in spiritual terms. True Story, 101.

...more on this later...

Apocalyptic

[lotus]

I beleive my recommandation is the best



Let's sell these people a piece of blue sky


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Am I Maitreyaa peddler
I come to teach you sell you ...

[jojo]

The New Leader should be the U.S. Government. They should lead in the dismantling of the entire organization. This would include imprisoning the current leaders for fraud and tax evasion or whatever legal counts you could throw at them.

I believe a retraining program (not like the rpf) for the current slaves should be part of the dismantling program so that they would be able to function in the real world.

Tom Cruise could have his own Dollywood kind of theme park. Tommywood. That would be fun.

[Freeminds]

. . .
I totally understand what you mean by it already being 'flawed' by KSW. And I agree. Finding any workable tech in the Church now is kind of like picking glass out of your food. But those who believe in the tech are still going to believe in it.

If Tom were to take over the Church, you're quite right - a lot of the "outies" WOULD stream back in. New people WOULD flood back in because of Tom. It would be their salvation. Depending on your viewpoint, this is either a good thing or a bad thing.

Free the Orgs and set them all free to run themselves? Now that's an idea... Let the strong survive... That's one option I hadn't thought of.

Finding workable tech in Scientology isn't like picking broken glass out of food... it's more like picking food out of broken glass. There are other (better) sources of food.

Tom Cruise as the leader of Scientology strikes me as unworkable for a number of reasons. Which isn't to say that he'd be worse for Scientology than Miscavige was... just that it still wouldn't survive.

First up, Tom Cruise doesn't understand Scientology. He's only ever been exposed to Celebrity Centre Scientology. He can have no notion of what life is like as an abused staffer, or as somebody who has maxed out their loans and credit cards to pay for services. Also, I doubt he understands the extent to which Scientology is run on fear. If he becomes leader and these things are revealed to him, he could blow... ending this Scientology resurgence that you imagine.

The Church of Scientology without fear, crush regging, imprisonment, disconnection, Fair Game... isn't the Church of Scientology. While it's cute to imagine independents doing their own thing, they aren't making Scientology work (MSW) either. A Freezone org would still have to slog through the same Hubbardian rat race - designed to keep people paying, and to keep them from completion and the realisation that they haven't acquired what was promised - or that Freezone org would ditch some of the 1950s era talking therapy and try something else ("let the strong survive")... which would be squirrelling. So that wouldn't be Scientology either.

The idea that Tom Cruise would cause people to flood in may be flawed, given the state of Tom Cruise's career. He's not exactly an A-list celebrity just now... and one of the things that has made him a less attractive prospect in Hollywood, is Scientology. He's not just 'Tom Cruise' anymore, but 'Wacko, couch-jumping, only-one-that-can-help Tom Cruise (and Poor Katie)'. That's how the gossip mags discuss them now. With that same "what's he gone and done now?" thing of waiting for the other shoe to drop, rather like the later years of Michael Jackson. Heading up a pseudoreligion with Tom Cruise may be hitching your wagon to a falling star.

The issue of "getting people back in" speaks volumes. Yes, Scientology shed more that half its membership in the first ten years of this century. As a business, it's been making ex-members (and heaps of money) for six decades now... but it wasn't until relatively recently that the number of victims leaving exceeded the number of victims coming in. To assume that people are leaving because of Miscavige is a very narrow view. It's the one that Marty Rathbun has adopted, and it depends upon the notion that Scientology itself is untarnished and that only D.M.'s efforts have caused the failure of Scientology. Trouble is, a person who becomes an ex-Scientologist tends to start reading. It doesn't take long for a person (who, after all, is interested in 'knowingness') to read Russell Miller, Jon Atack, Janet Reitman, ESMB, FactNet, Operation Clambake... and then they discover incontrovertible evidence that Ron Hubbard wasn't a war hero and that (in the words of former cult spokesdrone Tommy Davis) the injuries never existed; therefore, Dianetics is based on a lie; therefore, Scientology is based on a lie. It doesn't take too many revelations of that kind to remove the scales from a person's eyes, reveal the whole scam... and ensure that they will never again subscribe to Hubbardism. They won't return to Ron-worship under Tom Cruise, Tom Jones, or Thomas Aquinas.

Finally, why does Scientology need to survive at all? Ron is gone. Scientology was made by Ron, for Ron. He's dead: he no longer needs it. That's one of the reasons why he didn't establish rules for succession... because when he can no longer benefit from it, it's of no value.

[Demented LRH]

Hubbard laid the foundation of the Church, it functions the way he wanted it to function, it does not matter who the next leader will be, if any. He/she might be less physically abusive than DM, but psychologically poor Scientologists will be fucked in the head exactly the same way they are fucked now. The only correct solution is demolition of CoS.

[La La Lou Lou]

I think David Miscarriage is doing the job splendidly, it can't be long before it falls apart.

Lets leave it to the master. :clap:

[Auditor's Toad]

I can only speak for myself.

There is nothing I can imagine that would entice me back into the clutches of that organization.

Reconnect me to all the people I thought we dear lifetime friends? Nah.

Give me back the "value" of all my cancelled "certs" ? Nah.

Pay me 100K a year to take free courses and get free auditing? Nah.

Let me burn down Old Blue? Getting warm :lol:

[Moosejewels]

I think David Miscarriage is doing the job splendidly, it can't be long before it falls apart.

Lets leave it to the master. :clap:

I think you've hit that nail on the head ! :thumbsup::clap:

[GoNuclear]

The New Leader should be the U.S. Government. They should lead in the dismantling of the entire organization. This would include imprisoning the current leaders for fraud and tax evasion or whatever legal counts you could throw at them.

I believe a retraining program (not like the rpf) for the current slaves should be part of the dismantling program so that they would be able to function in the real world.

Tom Cruise could have his own Dollywood kind of theme park. Tommywood. That would be fun.

It's entirely possible that it is the govt. or at least an element within the govt. that is effectively running the Cof$ now. They would be doing so for a number of possible reasons: 1) at some point early on they might have been afraid that there was actually some substance to the oatee levels and would have wanted to investigate and/or render ineffective, since genuine oatees would have been seen as a threat if not under their control 2) CIA would definitey have picked up the Cof$ on its radar screen if not before than certainly after Snow White, considering the intel coup that the HubTurd and the Cof$ pulled off. True, their exploits may have been small compared to the KGB, CIA, Mossad, or the Brits, but pound for pound, considering their limited budget compared to the above mentioned intel outfits, were exceedingly effective. The CIA would therefore be interested in co-opting them and/or investigating them to see if any other intel outfit beat them to the punch. 3) Cof$ is an intel source via confessional folders 4) Cof$ is an intel source of sorts as a field-study "laboratory" for various mind control experiments.

At some point, once Cof$ is sufficiently run down and made to look bad in the eyes of the public, it will no longer be of use to the govt., assuming there is some sort of govt. involvement now. There will then be one last service that Cof$ can perform ... go out with some sort of Coolaid party or some other heinious final curtain act, such that public opinion can be mustered against freedom of religion and/or a broader attack on rights specifically guaranteed by the first ammendment.

Pete

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I understand that Muammar Gaddafi is available.

I think he could fill Caligula's boots in the sky.

Why not have Farrakhan?

Probably Bernie Maddoff would be already hatted though.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Jachs]

I also think Muammar Gaddafi would be a fine astronaut on the dark side of da moon as he can drive a golf cart in pitch underground tunnels and still get to his bunker.

This is where Sq Busters lack competence.