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[Mattheas]

Hello Ex-Scientologists,

While I'm aware that my presence may be a little odd, or unwelcomed, I was willing to risk it. I'm a member of Anonymous here in Dallas, Texas (If you're a Scientologist, don't worry you won't find anything on me ;]) I've read a lot of books on the administration of Scientology. I'm not interested in anything but stopping it. After reading some posts about how DM isn't in control etc, I believe that we (Anonymous) may be attacking things the wrong way. Anyway, my purpose here is to gain information and ask questions. If I start offending someone then please let me know, I've been told that there are certain things that are "private". I'm here to learn and spread what I learn. If you want to hear more on my attitude towards Scientology then just ask!

Regards,
Matt

[Mick Wenlock]

Hello Ex-Scientologists,

While I'm aware that my presence may be a little odd, or unwelcomed, I was willing to risk it. I'm a member of Anonymous here in Dallas, Texas (If you're a Scientologist, don't worry you won't find anything on me ;]) I've read a lot of books on the administration of Scientology. I'm not interested in anything but stopping it. After reading some posts about how DM isn't in control etc, I believe that we (Anonymous) may be attacking things the wrong way. Anyway, my purpose here is to gain information and ask questions. If I start offending someone then please let me know, I've been told that there are certain things that are "private". I'm here to learn and spread what I learn. If you want to hear more on my attitude towards Scientology then just ask!

Regards,
Matt

DM runs scientology. Period.

[Mattheas]

I was refering to this thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2126

It's a very interesting concept.

[lrnobs]

I was refering to this thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2126

It's a very interesting concept.

There have been rumors and conjecture that there are others. I would expect that DM has a myriad of consultants, lawyers, and accountants that benefit from his position. But they are probably just hired professional help.

[Snuffy]

What specifically concerns you about the way Anon are attacking? What info would you need that would help?

[Wisened One]

Welcome to the board, Matt.

Wisened One

[Mattheas]

I believe you can never learn too much. If there are other people in the Co$ that need to be exposed then at least one has to find out before the many can know. There is no specific information that I am here for, I want to hear your stories, I want to know more. If any of you live in Dallas, please join the IRC - we have meetings every now and again (COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS) Just get in contact and we'll get you on the IRC or go over to protests.texaschan.com

[Mark A. Baker]

Hello Ex-Scientologists,

While I'm aware that my presence may be a little odd, or unwelcomed, I was willing to risk it.

Hate to disappoint, Matt, but already you have shown yourself to be more polite than some freezoners with whom I've had cause to exchange communication. :coolwink:

I think you'll find yourself welcome not only here but on the more open freezone forums as well.



I'm a member of Anonymous here in Dallas, Texas (If you're a Scientologist, don't worry you won't find anything on me ;]) I've read a lot of books on the administration of Scientology. I'm not interested in anything but stopping it.

If by "it" you mean the Co$, you'll find plenty of agreement both here & in the freezone.

Although keep in mind, some here such as myself, still consider themselves to varying degrees to be practicing freezone scientologists (aka freezoners).



After reading some posts about how DM isn't in control etc, I believe that we (Anonymous) may be attacking things the wrong way.

Don't take the "conspiracy" stuff too much to heart. A lot of that comes from the wishful thinking of "rondroid purists" who don't want to concede that LRH bears ANY responsibility in what has happened in the Co$.


Mark A. Baker

[Escalus]

Not trying to be rude, and if I'm out of line I apologize ahead of time. but I keep thinking of this one sig line over at enturbulation where the guy goes

Anyone Claiming to be Anonymous ...ISN'T
Anyone Claiming to speak for Anonymous...DOESN'T

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin - I could be wrong. But that's a lot of bad kharma to start with.

Then again, I am a jerk...

[Zinjifar]

Not trying to be rude, and if I'm out of line I apologize ahead of time. but I keep thinking of this one sig line over at enturbulation where the guy goes

Anyone Claiming to be Anonymous ...ISN'T
Anyone Claiming to speak for Anonymous...DOESN'T

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin - I could be wrong. But that's a lot of bad kharma to start with.

Then again, I am a jerk...

Anonymous is so amorphous that probably some anonymice actually think there *are* anonymous members :)

Zinj

[Mattheas]

Anonymous has it's radicals too. In most cases we won't identify ourselves at all. Search what you've learned about me so far and see if you can find anything. Am I still Anonymous? I believe so. In regards to speaking for Anonymous, I'm not speaking for them. I'm speaking for myself and have started an Operation which only Anonymous and certain trusted individuals have started. How am I ever going to let you know about OD without saying something about it? Many Scientologists never watch out videos, are convinced our flyers are propoganda, and are afraid to talk to us. So, what to do?

As for my beliefs, if they want to practice Scientology then they need to be a registered organization, they need to cease their fair game policies AND practices, they need to stop using bribery and extortion to fight psychiatry, they need to stop the human rights violations, and they need to stop charging insane amounts of money for books and courses.

As I said on camera once, I don't care if they worship trees and giraffes - just be civil and sane about it.

I keep my own personal thoughts and opinions about this cult out of my arguement. I'm here for political reasons because I believe the world should be free to do what you want, so long as you don't invade the rights of others. I am one of the few that can proudly say I am able to differentiate my arguements. The way I see it, as much as Jews don't believe what Catholics believe and vise versa, we don't protest eachother. The same logic should be applied here - practice your religion as you want but don't hurt people, lie, or steal in the process.

[Dulloldfart]

DM runs the CofS. No-one else. Get rid of DM and then....

Well, we'll have to see, won't we?

Paul

[Mick Wenlock]

I was refering to this thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=2126

It's a very interesting concept.

well yeah - apart from the fact that its written by someone who does not know what he is talking about.

[nowout]

well yeah - apart from the fact that its written by someone who does not know what he is talking about.

Agree with you 100% Mick. There is no Board, only the Chairman, DM. :duh: The board consists of names which are put on a piece of paper with resignation letters already signed and stored. There are no IGs, there is no WDC etc. down the line, only DM.:devil:

[nowout]

BTW - Welcome Mattheas!

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Agree with you 100% Mick. There is no Board, only the Chairman, DM. :duh: The board consists of names which are put on a piece of paper with resignation letters already signed and stored. There are no IGs, there is no WDC etc. down the line, only DM.:devil:

I'll bet you there are some lawyers who are a big influence on him, hmmmm?

[nowout]

I'll bet you there are some lawyers who are a big influence on him, hmmmm?

How so? The cult thinks differently. There was some kind of issue or advice or something that says that you're supposed to tell the lawyers what you want and it's their job to find a way to do it or get it for you, IIRC.

[Mojo]

well yeah - apart from the fact that its written by someone who does not know what he is talking about.

Thanks alot. I resemble that remark Mick.:)

So Mattheas, what Mick said of the author of the thread you mentioned was true. And I speak with authority as it was I that wrote it (in an earlier incarnation of myself, lol) Were it written with malice I would feel guilt, but given it was merely ignorance I'm ok with it. So to speak.

A far better sense of the reality's envolved is soon to be presented in the form of a book being written by a gentlemen named Larry Brennan. Mr. Brennan was there. I was not. His nick on the internet is SME. If you google him you will find much of his written works on the subject.

For example here is a piece of what Larry wrote in a post found here:

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25737

"...It will list the secret organizations through which Miscavige really ran organized scientology and what was done in the USA and abroad to destroy and hide documents by those under Miscavige to hide his controls of it all..."

I personally still find it almost unbelievable that a young immature uneducated man (DM) had the wherewithall to seemingly singlehandedly manipulate not only persons of far greater human maturity & worldly experience but to orchestrate an organizational drama with sufficient force and clarity of intention to end up controlling what amounted to be a corporate entity that controlled not only millions (if not billions) of dollars but tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of otherwise peace-loving souls, while at the same time bringing the US government to its knees. At the tender young age of what, 24?

Maybe I'm just jealous of such intellectual prowess (or spiritual power). Lol.

Lastly, in regard to Micks comments about my lack of knowing what I talk about, let me just say this: "Damn, I hate it when that happens. Lol. And it tends to happen all the time".

On the other hand, honest speculation is the stuff the Gods of Truth demanded my posts be made of. And who am I to question the Gods?

Mojo

[Fancy]

A leader in the freezone wrote this and he is saying what you are saying.

http://the-scientologist.com/wp-index.php?p=60

Barb


Hello Ex-Scientologists,

While I'm aware that my presence may be a little odd, or unwelcomed, I was willing to risk it. I'm a member of Anonymous here in Dallas, Texas (If you're a Scientologist, don't worry you won't find anything on me ;]) I've read a lot of books on the administration of Scientology. I'm not interested in anything but stopping it. After reading some posts about how DM isn't in control etc, I believe that we (Anonymous) may be attacking things the wrong way. Anyway, my purpose here is to gain information and ask questions. If I start offending someone then please let me know, I've been told that there are certain things that are "private". I'm here to learn and spread what I learn. If you want to hear more on my attitude towards Scientology then just ask!

Regards,
Matt

[Fancy]

I agree and it is not just DM he is going to be the fall guy.

I think he does as he will and is allowed to do so till it is not convient for who ever runs the show.

So it appears he is the only one but who really knows for sure. I know he is on a CIA operatives list as well as Heber.

Barb


I'll bet you there are some lawyers who are a big influence on him, hmmmm?

[Fancy]

I agree. He had no high school diploma or would know how to run such a large group to survive as long as it has even if he is screwing it left and right.

He is not the only one as he had to have help doing this. He is the fall guy.

Barb


Thanks alot. I resemble that remark Mick.:)

So Mattheas, what Mick said of the author of the thread you mentioned was true. And I speak with authority as it was I that wrote it (in an earlier incarnation of myself, lol) Were it written with malice I would feel guilt, but given it was merely ignorance I'm ok with it. So to speak.

A far better sense of the reality's envolved is soon to be presented in the form of a book being written by a gentlemen named Larry Brennan. Mr. Brennan was there. I was not. His nick on the internet is SME. If you google him you will find much of his written works on the subject.

For example here is a piece of what Larry wrote in a post found here:

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25737

"...It will list the secret organizations through which Miscavige really ran organized scientology and what was done in the USA and abroad to destroy and hide documents by those under Miscavige to hide his controls of it all..."

I personally still find it almost unbelievable that a young immature uneducated man (DM) had the wherewithall to seemingly singlehandedly manipulate not only persons of far greater human maturity & worldly experience but to orchestrate an organizational drama with sufficient force and clarity of intention to end up controlling what amounted to be a corporate entity that controlled not only millions (if not billions) of dollars but tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of otherwise peace-loving souls, while at the same time bringing the US government to its knees. At the tender young age of what, 24?

Maybe I'm just jealous of such intellectual prowess (or spiritual power). Lol.

Lastly, in regard to Micks comments about my lack of knowing what I talk about, let me just say this: "Damn, I hate it when that happens. Lol. And it tends to happen all the time".

On the other hand, honest speculation is the stuff the Gods of Truth demanded my posts be made of. And who am I to question the Gods?

Mojo

[ChaoticPsychotic]

Just want to take a second to THANK Anonymous for what is being done by them.

I LOVE you guys!!!!!!!!


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