two books that are changing my life.

[alex]

"The End of Suffering" by Russel Targ, explores methods or models of thinking that facilitate expanding awareness beyond dualism that can be the source of pain.

Targ is a physicist who also helped explore the issues of non local consciousness while at the Stanford Research Institute working on the CIA contract for the study of Remote Viewing. He lost his daughter to cancer and wrote this excellent book to promote healing in her memory.

There is plenty of need for healing in this world.

http://www.amazon.com/End-Suffering-Fearless-Living-Troubled/dp/1571744681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204559606&sr=8-1


"Ultimate Journey" by Robert A. Monroe, the founder of the Monroe Institute. Monroe was an audio engineer who experimented and discovered the application of "biaural" tones on a persons conscious state, and went on to use that technology to explore just what conscious states were available for exploration.

In "Ultimate Journey" Monroe recounts the influential experiences he personally had while in an out of body state. Far fetched may be too subtle a description of some of them, including his rather gentle, beautiful visit to "the garden" of biblical repute, but inspiring none the less.

For a non believer there are lessons in love and acceptance, and for the already initiated, a view of a larger context for existence.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Journey-Robert-Monroe/dp/0385472080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204560086&sr=1-1



alex

[lionheart]

"The End of Suffering" by Russel Targ, explores methods or models of thinking that facilitate expanding awareness beyond dualism that can be the source of pain.

Targ is a physicist who also helped explore the issues of non local consciousness while at the Stanford Research Institute working on the CIA contract for the study of Remote Viewing. He lost his daughter to cancer and wrote this excellent book to promote healing in her memory.

There is plenty of need for healing in this world.

http://www.amazon.com/End-Suffering-Fearless-Living-Troubled/dp/1571744681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204559606&sr=8-1


"Ultimate Journey" by Robert A. Monroe, the founder of the Monroe Institute. Monroe was an audio engineer who experimented and discovered the application of "biaural" tones on a persons conscious state, and went on to use that technology to explore just what conscious states were available for exploration.

In "Ultimate Journey" Monroe recounts the influential experiences he personally had while in an out of body state. Far fetched may be too subtle a description of some of them, including his rather gentle, beautiful visit to "the garden" of biblical repute, but inspiring none the less.

For a non believer there are lessons in love and acceptance, and for the already initiated, a view of a larger context for existence.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Journey-Robert-Monroe/dp/0385472080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204560086&sr=1-1



alex

Thanks for the references.

You might like to read "Candle of Vision" by A.E.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/104-1783411-9484734?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=candle+of+vision&x=0&y=0

George Russell wrote under the intitals A.E. He was an early theosophist and it was the first theosophical book I read after being declared. It was at once mysterious, profound and moving.

[Snuffy]

I like the binarual beat stuff that the Monroe Institute and Hemi-Sync and many others are today exploring. Some interesting stuff out there, and I will check out these titles.

[Björkist]

I like the binarual beat stuff that the Monroe Institute and Hemi-Sync and many others are today exploring. Some interesting stuff out there, and I will check out these titles.

Binaural beats are so interesting!

[alex]

Binaural beats are so interesting!

Read the book! ....its a possible paradigm for what would come after scientology...Monroe explores why we are in human form and what would be the situation that we should evolve towards as we gain knowledge and awareness.

And the monroe institute is actually working "out of body".

The have a set up that helps the newly "exteriorized" (dead) orient themselves...

And many parallels to entity phenomenon.

I've been listening to some pirated biaural stuff, but haven't bought the "gateway experience" yet.

alex

[Snuffy]

I'm working through the Gateway Experience currently. No exteriorization yet, but early days and certainly opening up the pathway to other states of consciousness in a controlled and guided way. Its the best binaural stuff out there.

Also, anything by Brain-Synch is worthwhile.

[alex]

I'm working through the Gateway Experience currently. No exteriorization yet, but early days and certainly opening up the pathway to other states of consciousness in a controlled and guided way. Its the best binaural stuff out there.

Also, anything by Brain-Synch is worthwhile.

I like the underlying purpose that Monroe suggests in his different overview....and am leery of the "guided" aspects of the Brain-Synch product, but have not tried it.

I found this quote from the Brain-Synch site interesting....

"If you noticed that time has sped up, it is because it has! The Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, and these last four years are the most accelerated time of evolution in the history of our planet."

Thanks for the feedback and recommendations.

alex

[Snuffy]

Interesting. I haven't heard any of their guided stuff. Just music and meditation sounds that have binaural beats under them. Haven't seen Mayan calendars either. Some of the music contains subliminal messages that are geared toward certain subjects, like enhancing creativity and so on. YOu can read what the messages are, though, so they won't be slipping anything like "send us all your money, you know you want to" under there. I'll poke around and see if I can find their stuff about Mayan calendars. Any idea where that quote came from?

[alex]

http://www.theatreofthemind.com/pilot.asp

is where:

"If you noticed that time has sped up, it is because it has! The Mayan Calendar ends in 2012, and these last four years are the most accelerated time of evolution in the history of our planet."

comes from.

It is a quote from Kelly Howell the creator of "Brain Sync", the biaural system that does have subliminals, (well at least one of them).

http://www.theatreofthemind.com/authors.asp?author=10

The Monroe system is more to my liking as Monroe discovered it (biaurals) and his foundation is doing the research that is on my interest lines, what life beyond bodily life is about. Other systems are about improving your life, a worthy goal but a lessor one in my estimation.

If you have a strong spiritual purpose, I can not recommend enough the viewpoint of Robert Monroe in "Ultimate Journey", at least for thinking points, if not a paradigm.

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/

best

alex

[Minuet #1 in G]

Thanks for posting this stuff Alex. I have read "The End of Suffering" and have ordered the three monroe books from Amazon. They sound fascinating.
I have found an application you can download for free and use for a couple of weeks called Neuroprogrammer which has a whole lot of prerecorded sounds, binaural beats etc. Its about $20 to buy. Generates alpha and theta waves. I have used those so far. Produces deep states of calm, better sleep for me, lots of positive stuff. Been on it about 4 weeks or so.
Like to hear others experiences with this sort of stuff.

Min 1

[alex]

Thanks for posting this stuff Alex. I have read "The End of Suffering" and have ordered the three monroe books from Amazon. They sound fascinating.
I have found an application you can download for free and use for a couple of weeks called Neuroprogrammer which has a whole lot of prerecorded sounds, binaural beats etc. Its about $20 to buy. Generates alpha and theta waves. I have used those so far. Produces deep states of calm, better sleep for me, lots of positive stuff. Been on it about 4 weeks or so.
Like to hear others experiences with this sort of stuff.

Min 1

Cool!

But re the program, I'm staunchly Mac...and its pc.

Also there are some dangers of the do it yourself brain entrainment systems.......seizures being the biggest.

Worst I have experienced is headache, but this was not with the product you mention.

And for myself, (perhaps this is just the scientologist in me) I want to avoid:

"Using the same principles of brain stimulation, applied in a different way, the NeuroProgrammer is also able to make the mind more receptive to Psychological intervention. NP2 can guide your mind to a relaxed, receptive mental state, increasing the success rate of Suggestions and enhancing the lucidity of mental imagery. When NP2 detects that you have reached this state, it will automatically use your choice of applied psychological techniques such as Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts. These methods will help you make dramatic changes in your behavior, thought patterns and emotions. While in the receptive state created by NP2 , these techniques can bypass mental and emotional barriers that would normally make the mind resistant to change. This is what we call self-programming, and the effects of using it are dramatic."

http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/

I want to avoid the less than conscious assimilation of ideas. I want the "states" but not the "Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts".

Right now I have a collection of different biaurals that go to different states, but I haven't bought the Monroe ones yet.

The ones I have are very effective though, similar to the best of unassisted meditation, etc.

I bought one of the Monroe products for my mother in laws migranes too, but havent got a full review from her yet.

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/

I have been listening to biaurals for a while now and I am much calmer and more able to experience life than I was before. It started for me by ordering the free Centerpointe demo, http://www.centerpointe.com/centerpointe/?gclid=CJrW9t-4npICFQwcawod5hA9_Q and using it when I was stressed, It has a dramatic effect.

But the centerpointe system is also one with suggestions later in their program.

I would love to hear of your experiences with listening to biaurals, and also what you thing of Monroes experiences and particularly the paradigm he presents in "ultimate Journey".
:)

alex

[everfree]

George Russell wrote under the intitals A.E. He was an early theosophist and it was the first theosophical book I read after being declared. It was at once mysterious, profound and moving.

Not to correct you, but you might be interested in knowing that it's not actually initials but a "ligature" - which is two letters tied together - called the "ash" notated thus: Æ. The ash was used in Old English and is a single letter in some languages. You can still see it in British spellings such as aeroplane and encyclopaedia.

I believe Russell chose the ash as his pseudonym because it had some sort of mystical significance to him but don't recall what.

[Minuet #1 in G]

Thanks for those additional links. There seems to be so much information on this subject. The stingy bastard in me wanted to find something free or low cost so I went for this program which creates the same beat sounds as the ones you pay more for. There is another app I downloaded called a brain wave generator http://www.bwgen.com. Sorry another pc program. Havent done much with this. Reading some of the posts on forums on this product, people have created their own presets to create particular effect, I dont know if this is done with suggestions or manipulating the sound files in some way.
I did try visualising my putts going in nice and sraight during one session last night. Well my putting was very much improved the next day with about 6 or 7 longish ones going in. So this was something I was fully in control of.
I have found that I sleep better, more deeply. I used to wake up early about 4.30am lots, but this is better, about 6am now lol.
I am interested in the states too. And I am interested to read Monroe's use of binaurals to assist with gaining these states.

Min 1

[alex]

Thanks for those additional links. There seems to be so much information on this subject. The stingy bastard in me wanted to find something free or low cost so I went for this program which creates the same beat sounds as the ones you pay more for. There is another app I downloaded called a brain wave generator http://www.bwgen.com. Sorry another pc program. Havent done much with this. Reading some of the posts on forums on this product, people have created their own presets to create particular effect, I dont know if this is done with suggestions or manipulating the sound files in some way.
I did try visualising my putts going in nice and sraight during one session last night. Well my putting was very much improved the next day with about 6 or 7 longish ones going in. So this was something I was fully in control of.
I have found that I sleep better, more deeply. I used to wake up early about 4.30am lots, but this is better, about 6am now lol.
I am interested in the states too. And I am interested to read Monroe's use of binaurals to assist with gaining these states.

Min 1

One comment comes to mind, with the do it your self programs, and some of the cheaper pre made tracks, you are getting less sophisticated product.

The Monroe product is carefully crafted as to the timing of the movement to different levels and takes into consideration the secondary and tertiary effects being created. Much like the secondary and even tertiary counterpoint in much of the music of Bach.

Here is an article that talks about the monroe developed focus levels...

http://www.psychic101.com/forum/index.php/topic,36.0.html


I always see things from a larger perspective when I listen to bach, and I have a wierd theory that jimi hendrix was an incarnation of his....

Bach used mathematical precision and complexity, hendrix used dissonance and randomity to create layers of contrast, counterpoint.

(little girl is a pianist not a piano player, (neener neener david miscavaige) ) She may not have the subtle sophistication she will when she has more experience under her belt, but I see the life in her when she plays.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIx48a9bXUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X34gR-PogME&feature=related
:)
alex

[alex]

god that hendrix clip blows me away!

theres a man who got a glimpse of god and is there testifying about it in the way he knows best, and people are talking and clinking glasses, not even seeing what is happening before them.

the world is so beautiful and so unseen.

alex

[Smitty]

I have found the Focus and Insight cds from the Immrama Institute to be very helpful. http://www.immrama.org/
The director, Kirsten Cramer, is a very nice woman.
Smitty

[Tanstaafl]

I have found the Focus and Insight cds from the Immrama Institute to be very helpful. http://www.immrama.org/
The director, Kirsten Cramer, is a very nice woman.
Smitty

That's good 'cos they just arrived! :)
Looking forward to giving them a spin.

[Minuet #1 in G]

I received the Monroe books yesterday and am reading them now. I got the three which is recommended by reviewers so as to better understand the final book.
He starts off describing his first out of body experiences when he knew nothing about what was happening to him. First one was written in 1971.. so an interesting journey ahead.
Min 1

[alex]

"The End of Suffering" by Russel Targ, explores methods or models of thinking that facilitate expanding awareness beyond dualism that can be the source of pain.

Targ is a physicist who also helped explore the issues of non local consciousness while at the Stanford Research Institute working on the CIA contract for the study of Remote Viewing. He lost his daughter to cancer and wrote this excellent book to promote healing in her memory.

There is plenty of need for healing in this world.

http://www.amazon.com/End-Suffering-Fearless-Living-Troubled/dp/1571744681/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204559606&sr=8-1


"Ultimate Journey" by Robert A. Monroe, the founder of the Monroe Institute. Monroe was an audio engineer who experimented and discovered the application of "biaural" tones on a persons conscious state, and went on to use that technology to explore just what conscious states were available for exploration.

In "Ultimate Journey" Monroe recounts the influential experiences he personally had while in an out of body state. Far fetched may be too subtle a description of some of them, including his rather gentle, beautiful visit to "the garden" of biblical repute, but inspiring none the less.

For a non believer there are lessons in love and acceptance, and for the already initiated, a view of a larger context for existence.

http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Journey-Robert-Monroe/dp/0385472080/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1204560086&sr=1-1



alex

Shamelessly, I bump my own thread.

On another thread I am discussing or pontificating on my current explorations:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=11184

The books I mention above were my starting point for this.

"Ultimate Journey" for Monroe, and "The End of Suffering" is where I became aware of Gangaji, one of Targs inspirations.

[Telepathetic]

I received the Monroe books yesterday and am reading them now. I got the three which is recommended by reviewers so as to better understand the final book.
He starts off describing his first out of body experiences when he knew nothing about what was happening to him. First one was written in 1971.. so an interesting journey ahead.
Min 1

I've read his three books twice. They are truly fasinating! I even plan to read them again:yes:

The "Gateway Experience" has changed my life.

Have fun with this, I did and continue to...

TP

[Telepathetic]

Cool!

But re the program, I'm staunchly Mac...and its pc.

Also there are some dangers of the do it yourself brain entrainment systems.......seizures being the biggest.

Worst I have experienced is headache, but this was not with the product you mention.

And for myself, (perhaps this is just the scientologist in me) I want to avoid:

"Using the same principles of brain stimulation, applied in a different way, the NeuroProgrammer is also able to make the mind more receptive to Psychological intervention. NP2 can guide your mind to a relaxed, receptive mental state, increasing the success rate of Suggestions and enhancing the lucidity of mental imagery. When NP2 detects that you have reached this state, it will automatically use your choice of applied psychological techniques such as Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts. These methods will help you make dramatic changes in your behavior, thought patterns and emotions. While in the receptive state created by NP2 , these techniques can bypass mental and emotional barriers that would normally make the mind resistant to change. This is what we call self-programming, and the effects of using it are dramatic."

http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/

I want to avoid the less than conscious assimilation of ideas. I want the "states" but not the "Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts".

Right now I have a collection of different biaurals that go to different states, but I haven't bought the Monroe ones yet.

The ones I have are very effective though, similar to the best of unassisted meditation, etc.

I bought one of the Monroe products for my mother in laws migranes too, but havent got a full review from her yet.

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/

I have been listening to biaurals for a while now and I am much calmer and more able to experience life than I was before. It started for me by ordering the free Centerpointe demo, http://www.centerpointe.com/centerpointe/?gclid=CJrW9t-4npICFQwcawod5hA9_Q and using it when I was stressed, It has a dramatic effect.

But the centerpointe system is also one with suggestions later in their program.

I would love to hear of your experiences with listening to biaurals, and also what you thing of Monroes experiences and particularly the paradigm he presents in "ultimate Journey".
:)

alex

I've been doing the "Gateway Experience" and I am also a member so I've received a few of the audio tapes by mail also. I highly recommend these books and audio tapes.:yes:

Hey Alex, Russel Targ is an amazing guy. He knew and worked with Ingo Swan, Hal Puthoff and Pat Price. Thanks for reminding me, I was meaning to get his books.

I still wonder how the aforementioned trio got through their security checks? :wink2: Do you have any data on this?

TP

[degraded being]

Thanks for posting this stuff Alex. I have read "The End of Suffering" and have ordered the three monroe books from Amazon. They sound fascinating.
I have found an application you can download for free and use for a couple of weeks called Neuroprogrammer which has a whole lot of prerecorded sounds, binaural beats etc. Its about $20 to buy. Generates alpha and theta waves. I have used those so far. Produces deep states of calm, better sleep for me, lots of positive stuff. Been on it about 4 weeks or so.
Like to hear others experiences with this sort of stuff.

Min 1


I have used neuroprogrammer. It seems to have worked for inducing a longer more restorative sleep.

I have become more aware of how powerful music is in influencing mood.


"LIfeflow" claims a better technology - they give you a free trial.
I'm interested to hear about how much difference it makes to use the flashing goggles.
I would like to try an effective but not expensive method of having evidence
of brainwave changes while using these things. Some simple clip on thing that measures brainwaves - not an e-meter.

[degraded being]

Cool!

But re the program, I'm staunchly Mac...and its pc.

Also there are some dangers of the do it yourself brain entrainment systems.......seizures being the biggest.

Worst I have experienced is headache, but this was not with the product you mention.

And for myself, (perhaps this is just the scientologist in me) I want to avoid:

"Using the same principles of brain stimulation, applied in a different way, the NeuroProgrammer is also able to make the mind more receptive to Psychological intervention. NP2 can guide your mind to a relaxed, receptive mental state, increasing the success rate of Suggestions and enhancing the lucidity of mental imagery. When NP2 detects that you have reached this state, it will automatically use your choice of applied psychological techniques such as Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts. These methods will help you make dramatic changes in your behavior, thought patterns and emotions. While in the receptive state created by NP2 , these techniques can bypass mental and emotional barriers that would normally make the mind resistant to change. This is what we call self-programming, and the effects of using it are dramatic."

http://www.transparentcorp.com/products/np/

I want to avoid the less than conscious assimilation of ideas. I want the "states" but not the "Suggestions, Affirmations or Hypnotic Scripts".

Right now I have a collection of different biaurals that go to different states, but I haven't bought the Monroe ones yet.

The ones I have are very effective though, similar to the best of unassisted meditation, etc.

I bought one of the Monroe products for my mother in laws migranes too, but havent got a full review from her yet.

http://www.monroeinstitute.com/

I have been listening to biaurals for a while now and I am much calmer and more able to experience life than I was before. It started for me by ordering the free Centerpointe demo, http://www.centerpointe.com/centerpointe/?gclid=CJrW9t-4npICFQwcawod5hA9_Q and using it when I was stressed, It has a dramatic effect.

But the centerpointe system is also one with suggestions later in their program.

I would love to hear of your experiences with listening to biaurals, and also what you thing of Monroes experiences and particularly the paradigm he presents in "ultimate Journey".
:)

alex

With neuroprorammer, using suggestions is completely optional. They can be selected or deselected. They can be heard (tried) so a decision can be made as to whether or not the user wants to actually use it.
There is not all the cultic mumbo jumbo that surrounds Monroe Institue.
With neuroprammer its just the recordings of the beats, with a few sounds
if desired and data about what the different beat patterns are supposed to achieve according to research that has supposedly been done. There is also a website discussion board and some techie types create their own recordings and offer them for (free) use.

[alex]

With neuroprorammer, using suggestions is completely optional. They can be selected or deselected. They can be heard (tried) so a decision can be made as to whether or not the user wants to actually use it.
There is not all the cultic mumbo jumbo that surrounds Monroe Institue.
With neuroprammer its just the recordings of the beats, with a few sounds
if desired and data about what the different beat patterns are supposed to achieve according to research that has supposedly been done. There is also a website discussion board and some techie types create their own recordings and offer them for (free) use.

But I like cultic mumbo jumbo!!

Yes, the Monroe Institute does seem to forward some "beliefs" along with their technology.

I tend to be like minded.

The Monroe site now has a discussion forum and if you peruse their other links you will see that The Monroe Institute seems to be well connected to people who are studying the subject much more objectively.

And me....I seem to like stuff "packaged" for me....:coolwink:

[Zinjifar]

I can't keep up with this stuff. For me, 'spirituality' has little to nothing to do with wearing superman long johns, but, wasn't Monroe the guy who got shot in the head and then, presto changeo, got 'psychic'? How do you teach *that*??

Zinj

[degraded being]

I can't keep up with this stuff. For me, 'spirituality' has little to nothing to do with wearing superman long johns, but, wasn't Monroe the guy who got shot in the head and then, presto changeo, got 'psychic'? How do you teach *that*??

Zinj

I think the brain wave tech can be totally free of any need for "spiritual" baggage. Biofeedback is, I think, a scientifically proven method for producing desired change.
Brainwave entrainment has some science behind it, but many (including me) cannot say for sure that listening to binaural beats for x amount of time will produce x result. but I'm willing to experiment a bit. A practical use would be study - listening to beats which supposedly keep the brain producing a focussed but alert state. Anxiety, depression or general stress are likely to be lessened by spending time in a relaxed state helped along by litsening
to the right beats for that. I have read that Epileptics have been found not to produce the combination called SMR (I think), and a bit of training on that is suppsoedly therapeutic. The out of body experience thing ---I don't doubt that people have them and they could have significant effects of how people think about their relationships with self, and whatever ways they put together their abstract musings about "spiritual" things.
But even with those experiences, I don't think it's necessary to dream up 'spiritual" interpretations. I wouldn't mind OBEs if they feel good. I have had a lot of vivid dreams. A lot of flying dreams which seemed as real as waking life. I had these long before I tried the binaul beats, but I dont try to have them. I also have had dreams which were vivid or semi-vivid where nothing particulary wonderful happend. So when I woke up from those it just felt like I have been working all frigging night in my sleep! I want to rest when I go to sleep!