The ghoals of OSA re: the NET

[Bea Kiddo]

Cross post from OCMB.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25950&postorder=asc

Don't forget....

[Goldenrod]

The OSA will also plant false disaffecteds in various geo areas and have them connect with real disaffecteds. With tape recorder running, they will attempt to generate some ARC with the disaffected in order to pull intel. One such attempted this with me but I spotted the tape recorder and asked if he was really oy oy 7 or a fake.

[Wisened One]

*spits at OSA and CoS*

Wisened One

[8-8008]

Nice one bea. Thanks for the data and to the others too.

[Wisened One]

Thanks for bumpin' this one up, 8-8008! I did a lot of bumping when I first joined here, too. Reading nearly every Thread I could. :)

[Free to shine]

Copying the post here, for those who don't like clicking through. :)



The Goals of OSA re the Net

In the 90's I worked as a volunteer for OSA--with my friend then and auditor, Bill Yaude. He had been "Fighting" the critics since the beginning of ARS, so he said. "I've been on ARS since the beginning. I've created 10 different identities to run on them". (Pretending he was a critic, when really he worked for OSA).

Here are the goals of OSA re the Net:

1) Distraction. Keep any and all threads re Scientology OFF the top of the page. If you can, drive them off the first page, altogether. (That was with a newsgroup, where you can drive topics down with volume of threads posted).
One of Yaude's favorite distractions was taking *a* piece of "tech" and challenging the critics with it. I watched him do this, for years.

If any thread he got going wasn't 'biting'---he'd create ANOTHER identity, to then oppose whatever he wrote (they were BOTH him!). This went on and on and on---until finally a "real critic" (Not him, or any of his fake identities) --would 'bite'---or answer. THAT WAS THE GOAL> Once someone real would jump in and answer, he'd leap up---go "BINGO! GOT ONE!" and light up a cigarette. (Of course the same as Hubbard smoked). He knew then the "thread" would fly, with the critics
all argueing amongst each other..........a key product of OSA.

2) Degrading critics. IF they felt a critic was listened to or had important information, they'd slime them any way they could. Usually--as people will notice if it's major---he'd just slip in "Oh---So in so---he's a bit of a______ (Inject put down) and then move on.

One HUGE program they ran on me for years, when I first left was asking me questions. I'd answer. One time I think I said I met someone on Saturday, and in another thread I said Sunday. It was literally something *that* stupid.

For over a YEAR---maybe 2 or 3 years.......and now one more has begun this program again here----------they would post over and over and over: "Tory is a liar" and post their "She said Sat/when it was really Sunday" response. IT WAS SOME OF ***THE*** DUMBEST ATTEMPTS AT BLACK PR I'D EVER SEEN.

Thankfully critics, and now Anonymous are not at all stupid, as OSA thinks all "Wogs" are---so they could see right through their bs.gif

So IF you see either one or two above-----my suggestion is talk with the person. If you notice they are doing NOTHING to "Undress Scientology" and everything to keep any FACTS off of this message board, MOVE ON.

And to ANYONE running 1 or 2 above: NO, I won't answer you. Don't lie and say you PM'd me, when you DID NOT.
I will talk with anyone, for a bit. However, once I get they really have NO intention of Undressing Scientology-------which Andreas has made VERY clear IS the purpose of this message board, you won't find me
in the pit, so to speak, as I've watched that drill of 1 and 2 above---for years, in MANY different forms.

Oh yes, and OSA will get a few staff members to "hit on the thread" a skillion times, making it LOOK like people care.

It's one gigantic circle jerk. Shocked Shocked Evil or Very Mad Shocked

No thanks.

Tory/Magoo~~Thankfully an EX_Scientologist! alien
Thrilled to have escaped out of there in 2000---free at last!

[CornPie]

...With tape recorder running, [OSA] will attempt to generate some ARC with the disaffected in order to pull intel...
These days OSA's PI's leave a cell phone near you, with an open call. Or they get the bartender, your friend, to initiate a call and leave the phone on the counter near you. How much of a "tip" do you suppose they're getting to do that? If so, how much more would it take to slip a little something in your drink?

When the bartender steps outside to smoke a cigarette, it would help to have someone out there taking a video of who they're talking to, and leaving their own cell phone where the conversation is likely to take place. Then the picture taker puts the conversation on their speaker phone, which would merge that conversation onto the video they're shooting. Best consult a lawyer if that's legal in your location.

Maybe you could pick their phone up, and see what number they called. And what other numbers has the PI's phone dialed/received recently, and are in the caller directory.

[Magoo]

Bea Kiddo:
Thanks for re-posting this.

In a nutshell---
This was true when I posted it, and
it's still true, today.

One of the key products of OSA on the Net is:

DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

DISTRACT OFF OF SCIENTOLOGY, any way, any how.

DEGRADE CRITICS they don't want people to read or hear.

Keep exposing the abuses of C of $, and thanks
to ALL who do so!

That's it, folks. They were doing that in the '90's...and they still are. DM: I told you then, and here it is again, today, Nov 25th, 2010:
YOU are C R E A T I N G your own enemies, day by day.
Great job---truly fantastic job of true suppression.
You are our best avenue for getting people OUT of
the "church" of $cientology! :thumbsup:

Tory/Magoo

[GreyWolf]

And Tory undresses Scn very well.

[TG1]

Tory, both your posts above are interesting -- the old one Free to Shine quoted and your new one.

Just now I count 4, maybe 5, out of 22 threads on page one of ESMB that are really about the Church of Scientology and its crimes. The rest are about Scn philosophy, anti-Marty, non-Scn topics.

Hmm.

[AnonKat]

welcome CornPie

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These days OSA's PI's leave a cell phone near you, with an open call. Or they get the bartender, your friend, to initiate a call and leave the phone on the counter near you. How much of a "tip" do you suppose they're getting to do that? If so, how much more would it take to slip a little something in your drink?

When the bartender steps outside to smoke a cigarette, it would help to have someone out there taking a video of who they're talking to, and leaving their own cell phone where the conversation is likely to take place. Then the picture taker puts the conversation on their speaker phone, which would merge that conversation onto the video they're shooting. Best consult a lawyer if that's legal in your location.

Maybe you could pick their phone up, and see what number they called. And what other numbers has the PI's phone dialed/received recently, and are in the caller directory.

[Panda Termint]

Tory, both your posts above are interesting -- the old one Free to Shine quoted and your new one.

Just now I count 4, maybe 5, out of 22 threads on page one of ESMB that are really about the Church of Scientology and its crimes. The rest are about Scn philosophy, anti-Marty, non-Scn topics.

Hmm.
Yes, ESMB is more like a party than a symposium! :)
I kinda like that.

[Magoo]

Thanks!
I do think it's healthy to have a place
where people can come and enjoy each other, while sharing experiences and knowledge.

Certainly fun and joy and communication are the
downfalls of C of $. Remember "in the old days"
when you'd hear:
"If it isn't FUN: it isn't Scientology"?

That's something I haven't heard (from C of $) in years. Fun? KR. Out Exchange. PTS. Low Toned. "Wog"--
on and on and on, these are the words of that "church", sprinkled with a *few* "he's upstat or uptone" (someone with money or connections that they like)

Good job, Esmb and everyone sharing your knowledge, experiences and plain Party FUN! :dance3::buzzin::party::arose::kiss:

Love to all,

Tory/Magoo

[Dulloldfart]

Tory, both your posts above are interesting -- the old one Free to Shine quoted and your new one.

Just now I count 4, maybe 5, out of 22 threads on page one of ESMB that are really about the Church of Scientology and its crimes. The rest are about Scn philosophy, anti-Marty, non-Scn topics.

Hmm.

Are you suggesting that if we, for instance, talk about Good Twin's boobs, that this is an OSA product, or something? Or that I, who started that thread, am an OSA dupe?

Trolling apart :), the thing is, that ESMB is a place where people chat about anything that interests them. It's not all 100% bring down the CofS.

Paul

[TG1]

Are you suggesting that if we, for instance, talk about Good Twin's boobs, that this is an OSA product, or something? Or that I, who started that thread, am an OSA dupe?

No, Paul, I don't think you're OSA. :)

Besides, GT was the one who first brought up her own boobs. You just followed her, which is pretty (although not universally) normal in a co-ed world.

However, about some other threads I sometimes wonder ... hmm. I think Tory's two posts (old and recent) above about OSA distractions and degrading critics are logical. She's certainly an eyewitness to those OSA practices, and I am sure those continue.

I think I see that kind of thing happening a lot over at WWP. And I think it happens here from time to time. How much? I don't have any way of knowing.

TG1

[Dulloldfart]

No, Paul, I don't think you're OSA. :)

Oh. I'm a good candidate, you know. I worked in OSA Int Qual for about two years in 1987-9, doing tech stuff like auditing, word-clearing, supervising and tech services for OSA Int. But no-one ever thinks I'm OSA. I get no respect.

Paul

[Terril park]

Oh. I'm a good candidate, you know. I worked in OSA Int Qual for about two years in 1987-9, doing tech stuff like auditing, word-clearing, supervising and tech services for OSA Int. But no-one ever thinks I'm OSA. I get no respect.

Paul

Your cover is just to good. I mean....no one would believe OSA have the imagination to create a robot auditor. :)

[Enthetan]

Oh. I'm a good candidate, you know. I worked in OSA Int Qual for about two years in 1987-9, doing tech stuff like auditing, word-clearing, supervising and tech services for OSA Int. But no-one ever thinks I'm OSA. I get no respect.

Paul

Did you get to look over the OSA training materials?

[Magoo]

Did you get to look over the OSA training materials?

Speaking of that---some time after I left Scientology,
I met Laurel Sullivan, LRH's Personal PR at a party.

I mentioned to her that *I* was surprised as I had
pretty good success with things I worked on, (mostly all PR stuff)--where as
I would observe people who were actual OSA staff failing
utterly in the same areas. (exp: "What are your crimes?" Which I told them sounded totally stupid, and IF I were a critic, would only keep me there more).

Her response to me: "Well, you were never trained in
the Scientology PR tech, were you?"
I said, "No--I was not. I mostly used what I'd learned
from my parents.

She then said: "Well, we who were trained in the PR tech and used it, were kicked out of EVERY SINGLE PORT around the world".

Amazing, eh? So that gives you a bit of understanding into the long history of people doing knucklehead things that tick people off, and thus creating their own enemies.

Common sense---a grand instinct for most. :yes:

Tory/Magoo

[Mystic]

Speaking of that---some time after I left Scientology,
I met Laurel Sullivan, LRH's Personal PR at a party.

I mentioned to her that *I* was surprised as I had
pretty good success with things I worked on, (mostly all PR stuff)--where as
I would observe people who were actual OSA staff failing
utterly in the same areas. (exp: "What are your crimes?" Which I told them sounded totally stupid, and IF I were a critic, would only keep me there more).

Her response to me: "Well, you were never trained in
the Scientology PR tech, were you?"
I said, "No--I was not. I mostly used what I'd learned
from my parents.

She then said: "Well, we who were trained in the PR tech and used it, were kicked out of EVERY SINGLE PORT around the world".

Amazing, eh? So that gives you a bit of understanding into the long history of people doing knucklehead things that tick people off, and thus creating their own enemies.

Common sense---a grand instinct for most. :yes:

Tory/Magoo

Tulpa tech loses again!

[Zinjifar]

No, Paul, I don't think you're OSA. :)

Besides, GT was the one who first brought up her own boobs. You just followed her, which is pretty (although not universally) normal in a co-ed world.

However, about some other threads I sometimes wonder ... hmm. I think Tory's two posts (old and recent) above about OSA distractions and degrading critics are logical. She's certainly an eyewitness to those OSA practices, and I am sure those continue.

I think I see that kind of thing happening a lot over at WWP. And I think it happens here from time to time. How much? I don't have any way of knowing.

TG1

I'd like to point out that OSA does a *lot* of things, including taking bathroom breaks. And, I know for a fact that Paul has taken bathroom breaks.

Draw your own conclusions.

Zinj

[Good twin]

Seriously? Now maybe my boobs are OSA? I guess I'll hafta get that "fuck osa" tattoo on my left breast, after all. :eyeroll:

[Dulloldfart]

Did you get to look over the OSA training materials?

The "open" ones, yes. I sup'd OSA on their hat checksheets, and also was involved in the project to compile the then-new OSA Network Orders into nifty hat packs for OSA staff around the planet, so spend many long hours sorting and compiling thousands of copies of the (roughly 30) issues. of course, I took the time to read them all too. :)

But the real juicy stuff like confidential B1 hatting remained locked up in B1, not even seen by non-B1 OSA staff.

Paul

[Magoo]

Tulpa tech loses again!

Ok, I'll bite! What is "Tulpa Tech"?

We made it through Thanksgiving! What a great day!
Hope yours was, too, for those who Celebrated. :D

Love to all,

T

[Sharone Stainforth]

Tory wrote;


Ok, I'll bite! What is "Tulpa Tech"?

I looked this up, and am still none the wiser. If you can figure it out, your a better woman than me.:D

[Zinjifar]

Tory wrote;



I looked this up, and am still none the wiser. If you can figure it out, your a better woman than me.:D

In mysticism a tulpa is the concept of a being or object which is created through sheer willpower alone. It is a materialized thought that has taken physical form and is usually regarded as synonymous to a thoughtform.[6]

The term comes from the works of Alexandra David-Neel, who claimed to have created a tulpa in the image of a jolly, Friar Tuck-like monk which later developed a life of its own and had to be destroyed.[7]

The tulpa phenomenon is vindicated through the Consciousness-only Doctrine first propounded within the Yogacara School and is part of the Mahayoga discipline of the 'Generation Stage' (Wylie:kye rim; Sanskrit:utpatti-krama) , Anuyoga discipline of the 'Completion Stage' (Wylie:dzog rim; Sanskrit:saṃpanna-krama) and the Atiyoga perfection of effortless 'unification of the Generation and Completion stages' (Wylie: bskyed rdzogs zung 'jug).
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So, a 'tulpa' is an artificial construct. For yiddish, it might correspond to a 'golem'.

But, I think Mystic's using it in the sense of a *demonic* construct/illusion.

Which isn't as absurd as it may sound, although my own theory is that *Scientology* is the demonic manifestation, and Hubbard was merely the ill-advised sorcerers apprentice who invoked it, before it devoured Him.

Zinj