Dreams

[Marie]

Over the last 18 years (since leaving the SO) I have had probably 30 different dreams (that I can remember) that are weird or nightmarish about the SO - Well I had one last night.

Big difference though, I was more detached and cynical and in control in this one, and it wasn’t a new one - it was more of a conglomeration of all of the others – just from a different viewpoint. I think the viewpoint change is from reading the stories (daily) and posting (infrequently as it is) on this site. That is cool!!

Do you remember your dreams?? I actually do this quite a bit, especially the really weird ones, I am always looking for the reason behind them – sometimes there is one, sometimes not one that I can see.

I also start dreaming very fast (I will take a 15 minute nap at work during breaktime, if I had a bad nights sleep, I will have a dream during that time). Supposedly that is weird, but I have done that all my life.

How about you all?

[Escalus]

Most of the time I can't remember my dreams but I know I had them. Some that I've remembered I've used as elements of a story, but the really great dreams (speaking about being 'detached') are the ones where you go "OK I'm dreaming, and I don't like that situation, so I'll change it to THIS. Ah! That's better!"

There's a name for that but I can't recall it.

[Marie]

Most of the time I can't remember my dreams but I know I had them. Some that I've remembered I've used as elements of a story, but the really great dreams (speaking about being 'detached') are the ones where you go "OK I'm dreaming, and I don't like that situation, so I'll change it to THIS. Ah! That's better!"

There's a name for that but I can't recall it.

Goggled it, lucid dreaming. :yes:

I do that too, but most of the times I don't remember those past the day of the dream... Some of the ones from the SO I remember from the right after I left:omg: .

[Wisened One]

Interesting that you made a Dreams Thread:)

I remember my dreams quite a bit....
(btw they're even more vivid whenever you take things like DHEA, Melatonin, L-Tryptophan, 5-htp, stuff along those lines)....

But last night, I dreamed that DM was alone in a huge Titanic like luxury ship...lying on this huge bed (in full dress uniform) looking out these large sliding glass doors over his balcony, at the ever rising sea approaching the level of his balcony.

The ship was empty except for him and these two maids. They were trying to save items for him from his room.

The dream ended with them up on his dresser, taking batteries out from the back of a large picture (still in his room).....they weren't trying to save themselves or hurry off the ship at all. They were trying to secure DM, save some of his effects for him, etc...

Then the ship rapidly sank
(I was watching the dream as if I was in the room across from him and could feel the rising water, etc...)

....and DM was drifting alone on a huge ocean on a plank or door or something. (not a lifeboat or raft tho)...

Literally, the captian going down with his ship...

And no, I haven't recently watched Titanic or anything...

Weird dream, huh?

Wisened One

[Div6]

Dreams...LRH made a comment in DMSMH that dreams were just "crazy house mirrors into the reactive mind".

Yes, I've had the same experiences, different content.

My viewpoint now is that dreams of the nature described are just "entity" driven control. The entity (or ies) take their queue from live experiences where you were heavily "controlled", and then re-mix them as fear to keep you individuated and isolated in the body cycle.

My dreams have now shifted...instead of heavy "control" type nightmares, I have been having "dreams" where I am 23, extremely virile, and women never say 'no'. (My dreams are teh LIE!) This is just a shift by the entity into using "future pleasure moments" as a means of influencing my "doubt" formula re: staying in the body cycle.

As I have solo'ed, the entity power has lessened. It seems that one of the major factors in this is my own trust of my self, and my own intentions and power. As I get off more O's, my trust in myself raises, and the "entity case" gets less significant.

[ChaoticPsychotic]

Funny, I just started a thread about nightmares over on ESK yesterday.

I have been out of the SO for almost 11 years now and I still have dreams about it though they are usually nightmares.

The worst one that I have is that I am back in the SO. Terrifying. Nothing makes my blood run colder.

I had a very traumatic 4 1/2 years in the So and they were formative years for me ages 13-18. I think that perhaps I will always be haunted by what I experienced and saw while I was in. One of the hardest things for me is knowing that there are people who I love that are still stuck in the hell that I lived and that there are new recruits that are still only children being taken into the horror house.

$cientology MUST be stopped.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Dreams are very useful when they contain a shock moment. Those are the dreams I can take into session because they are usually past life recalls begging to be looked at more closely. Specifically, some dreams helped me get rid of my extreme hot flashes.

Thank you for the data about DHEA and melatonin, etc. I have taken DHEA but do not remember dreams being more vivid, maybe I was not looking.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Interesting that you made a Dreams Thread:)

I remember my dreams quite a bit....
(btw they're even more vivid whenever you take things like DHEA, Melatonin, L-Tryptophan, 5-htp, stuff along those lines)....

But last night, I dreamed that DM was alone in a huge Titanic like luxury ship...lying on this huge bed looking out these large sliding glass doors over his balcony, at the ever rising sea approaching the level of his balcony.

The ship was empty except for him and these two maids. They were trying to save items for him from his room.

The dream ended with them up on his dresser, taking batteries out from the back of a large picture (still in his room).....they weren't trying to save themselves or hurry off the ship at all. They were trying to secure DM, save some of his effects for him, etc...

Then the ship rapidly sank
(I was watching the dream as if I was in the room with him and could feel the rising water, etc...)

....and DM was drifting alone on a huge ocean on a plank or door or something. (not a lifeboat or raft tho)...

And no, I haven't recently watched Titanic or anything...

Weird dream, huh?

Wisened One


Perhaps the "two maids" were myself and LNS -- we did do some behind the scenes processing to help him leave as best he could in the case shape he is in. We took some energy (i.e., batteries) out of some of his pictures. Reminds me to put some attention to that today too.

[Marie]

:p :p
Interesting that you made a Dreams Thread:)

I remember my dreams quite a bit....
(btw they're even more vivid whenever you take things like DHEA, Melatonin, L-Tryptophan, 5-htp, stuff along those lines)....

But last night, I dreamed that DM was alone in a huge Titanic like luxury ship...lying on this huge bed looking out these large sliding glass doors over his balcony, at the ever rising sea approaching the level of his balcony.

The ship was empty except for him and these two maids. They were trying to save items for him from his room.

The dream ended with them up on his dresser, taking batteries out from the back of a large picture (still in his room).....they weren't trying to save themselves or hurry off the ship at all. They were trying to secure DM, save some of his effects for him, etc...

Then the ship rapidly sank
(I was watching the dream as if I was in the room with him and could feel the rising water, etc...)

....and DM was drifting alone on a huge ocean on a plank or door or something. (not a lifeboat or raft tho)...

And no, I haven't recently watched Titanic or anything...

Weird dream, huh?

Wisened One

Evil, Evil person....:nono: I think massive "ethics handling" is needed....:p

[Marie]

sorry, trying new smilies....:dieslaughing:

[grundy]

LRH made a comment in DMSMH that dreams were just "crazy house mirrors into the reactive mind".

First, realize I am a last life clear. At least that was what I attested to in the late 80s. :p

The funny thing is that I don't really have nightmares. I used to talk in my sleep. And some of it was weird according to my siblings (ask marie - she would know lol).

But I have never had a "nightmare" that I ever knew about.

I've had wierd dreams. In the SO at the place where I work now. A lot of odddd elements.

But nightmares? No.

My favorite were the flying dreams. I used to get those all of the time when I was in the Sea Org. Being able to fly by will alone. Jump around a city.

As mentioned on another thread, I used to have premonitions in dreams.


Throughout my life, ever since I was a small child, I would dream of things, people I have never met, places I had never been. Something bad would happen. And I would wake up. 6 months later, a year later, I would be in the same situation, except I knew who the people were. And the bad thing would be a real possibility. I would change one thing from what I remembered in the dream. And the bad thing wouldn't happen.

The people involved would disappear for hours sometimes (the people involved with the bad thing, which never happened.) I had dreamed of the Intern Sup at Flag coming in and saying "You are going to have to retread." The video I had submitted on the internship disappeared completely. Never to be found. Intern sup disappeared for two hours. I did another video, passed.

I told a freind who was a Wiccan about this. She told me this was a Native American (Lakoda) thing, and that people who could do this were called "Dream Walkers."

Of course, this made sense, as I am 1/4 American Sioux (Lakoda).

Does this have anything to do with this thread? Sorry, I just started remembering my flying dreams. I have a floating needle. :yes: :happydance:

:p

[Mick Wenlock]

First, realize I am a last life clear. At least that was what I attested to in the late 80s. :p


which clear number do you use?

[grundy]

Well since I can't remember my name from last time (wasn't required when I attested) and I never received a clear number this time, I never thought about it.

[johnAnchovie]

About three weeks before I read the OT III materials on the Internet I had a dream.

I was in a dark Dante-esque landscape, colours were grey and black, I was running from a former LRH Comm UK, a German guy, he caught me, and held me down, smothering me. I struggled, but could not fight him. He squashed the air from my lungs and in agony, I died. Then I was outside my dream- body, and then I was a child, a small girl in fact, though I am a man. I looked back and saw my former self - body - still being held down by the evil, grinning LRH Comm, I walked out of the cavern to a different place. Then I awoke.

The emotions of terror, the sensation of suffocating, the weight of the LRH Comm holding me down, the taste of the the dirt on the ground in my mouth were all absolutely vivid, and still are.

I was talking to Helen the next evening about this dream, before she was a Scientologist she had been a Spiritualist and dream reader.

Helen said that if you die in a dream, then it means that you are beginning a completely new life.

My secretive studies of the critics sites like OCMB and the debates I was having on Belief Net with Alanzo, the material I was seeing on Hubbard all were telling me to 'get the heck out of this con', but it was only the OTIII materials that actually convinced me of just what I was involved with.

Three weeks later I set up a decoy trail and vanished into the bowls of old industrial Birmingham. I have been building and living in this new life ever since.

This is a factual account, and says something about this wonderful mind that we have and often deny. We lack faith in our fantastic selves, and thus swallow cheap lies like Scientology, we subvert our own intelligence as we go through mental hoops, twists and turns trying to rationalize the convoluted garbage that is Scientology, but all the time are denying our own powerful souls; selling ourselves short, because we lack faith in who we are.

This could well be the anatomy of the power of the cult to bind even the most intelligent and insightful of people, people like us.

JA

[Marie]

As mentioned on another thread, I used to have premonitions in dreams.



I have those too, I dream something and a few weeks later all of a sudden, I am in the same scene... deja vu.

[nowout]

I find that taking 500mg of Vit B 1 daily, along with other multivitamins seems to reduce my dreams and nightmares.

[Lovesnightsky]

We took some energy (i.e., batteries) out of some of his pictures. Reminds me to put some attention to that today too.

Can you explain this energy taking a bit? I am not clear of what you mean. Personally speaking I do not take energy from things or people. I just send them positive energy.

[duddins]

Ahhh the subject of dreams.....I posted this account back in October:


"My dreams are odd. But the odd thing about them is that after I have had these dreams, even years later, they feel as real as the actual physical universe experiences.
They come randomly, but each continues where the other left off...

I dream that I am back in the SO after having blown, and somehow have
not-ised all that had happened building up to my leaving.
I would be back at PAC, FOLO...eating in the mess hall, working, just doing the day to day....but with the withhold that I was not supposed to be there.
No one knew but me....I seemed to be carrying on where I left off. Forgotten was the pain, fear of loss, grief that I had suffered..but not the awareness.

I see people that should know that I have been declared SP, but they don't seem to care. After all I am just a hard working girl, who wants to please others. There is nothing tatoo'd to my forehead stating that I am an SP....I don't feel like one. So, I go about my days in the Sea Org....carrying my WH.

Then............. I awaken to my current life which feels light-years away from the old one. I don't remember the dream until later. This is where it feels odd. It is though it is an ongoing dream and I recall that I have had it, but it is unclear when.

It feels so real that I wonder why I went back to the SO, knowing full well that the same people were running things at INT level and that I can never go back to blindly doing everything they tell me to do. I don't trust them anymore.....I know things now...Yet I go on working......and pretending....

My perceptions tell me that I have had this dream many times. It does not feel like other dreams that I have and wake up to. You know, the ones you remember and still "feel" when the alarm goes off. "

Happily....since I have posted here....these dreams have stopped. I believe that I have freed myself of those chains.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Can you explain this energy taking a bit? I am not clear of what you mean. Personally speaking I do not take energy from things or people. I just send them positive energy.

Yes, LNS, I said we took some energy out of his pictures, which was a poetic way of saying that we took some charge off of his case. You are right, stuff like this, this kind of ability can only be done with the best of intentions, with love for the being one is working with. For some reason I was able to differentiate the case from the being and you also did some opopono type processes directed to him.

Since before I joined Scientology I have been about playing only infinite games, games where everybody wins. Make sense now?

[Lovesnightsky]

Yes, LNS, I said we took some energy out of his pictures, which was a poetic way of saying that we took some charge off of his case. You are right, stuff like this, this kind of ability can only be done with the best of intentions, with love for the being one is working with. For some reason I was able to differentiate the case from the being and you also did some opopono type processes directed to him.

Since before I joined Scientology I have been about playing only infinite games, games where everybody wins. Make sense now?

Totally :D

[programmer_guy]

I have those too, I dream something and a few weeks later all of a sudden, I am in the same scene... deja vu.

Funny how that is. :)

It doesn't do me ANY good at all because I don't realize it until it happens - not before it happens. So, the experience is worthless to me.

[Mick Wenlock]

Well since I can't remember my name from last time (wasn't required when I attested) and I never received a clear number this time, I never thought about it.

ah ratz! could have been intriguing!

[Curiosity]

Funny how that is. :)

It doesn't do me ANY good at all because I don't realize it until it happens - not before it happens. So, the experience is worthless to me.

Yes, I have these utterly worthless (yet very frustrating) deja vus, where I suddenly remember having dreamt precisely what is occurring in the moment, but I don't know what's happening next. As the moment unfolds, I remember it being that way in the dream. It's maddening when it happens. I hate it, beyond the glimmer of hope it offers that I might someday remember it *before* it happens, instead of *as*.

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

Totally :D

LNS, you are lovely like your spirit.

[Ladybird]

I am resurrecting this thread because it has some good advice for handling nightmares and we still have nightmares about the Sea Org sometimes. They are very infrequent now, but last night I had a weird one about the RPF.

Basically, it was announced that all the sec checks and the final assessment checks (that you have to pass on tape with a perfect needle) were changed and the e-meter was going to be replaced with retinal scans.

Can't remember it all except it was like total terror and NO where to hide! At least with the meter you can shut down your mind or think other thoughts while you are being screamed at.

Any body else have weird dreams or nightmares about the cult?

[He-man]

Yes. 3 different ones I remember. the EPF one I´ve had several times in different versions.

In one dream I was in session getting my case wrapped up to go uplines. Hours and hours of auditing with a very charming woman I had a crush on at the time. Constanty ending with floating needles.

Another dream I had, think I had it more then one time, I´m floating around the org doing stuff. Meeting people and having talks with the Qual sec and the M/O about things getting done.

The bad dream, the two first ones were actually quit enjoyable, Is in the EPF, having no pants, doing muster and workout. No screaming or anything, just that, and it freaked me out every time I had it. The thing that stressed me up most in the dream was being inspected by the Bosun.

[Dark Phoenix]

Image rehearsal therapy is often used as a treatment for nightmares and it's proven to be very effective. According to this intervention strategy, nightmares are trauma induced and habit sustained. People with nightmares are encouraged to practice imagery exercises and re-script the nightmare. The new dream sequence is rehearsed and practiced during wakefulness.

[Zinjifar]

Hmmm, I wonder how well my falling off a cliff can be rehearsed :) On the other hand, that's usually a precursor to zipping along the ground at great speed, so, maybe that's not really a nightmare...

Zinj

[HelluvaHoax!]

Funny, I just started a thread about nightmares over on ESK yesterday.
I have been out of the SO for almost 11 years now and I still have dreams about it though they are usually nightmares. The worst one that I have is that I m back in the SO. Terrifying. Nothing makes my blood run colder. I had a very traumatic 4 1/2 years in the So and they were formative years for me ages 13-18. I think that perhaps I will always be haunted by what I experienced and saw while I was in. One of the hardest things for me is knowing that there are people who I love that are still stuck in the hell that I lived and that there are new recruits that are still only children being taken into the horror house. $cientology MUST be stopped.
Whoa CP!

Just reminded me of a shatteringly real dream I had when I was on one-year leave from the S.O. (wife and I having baby). It was getting close to the time I was to return to active duty.

A hubbardly-hideous nightmare that I was back in the S.O. terrifyingly trapped for eternity.

I woke up, shaken to the core. A mixed revelation of guilt & freedom ran thru me like thunder...and then I realized: "I am not going back!" A life-changing moment extraordinaire!

Since that moment, it has been simple for me to understand the message or meaning in every dream I have had.

Must be some kind of powerful natural healing mechanism.

Wish I knew who to thank for that dream! lol

[He-man]

Hmmm, I wonder how well my falling off a cliff can be rehearsed :) On the other hand, that's usually a precursor to zipping along the ground at great speed, so, maybe that's not really a nightmare...

Zinj

Hilarious, How do you do that? turning every single post into pure comedy.

[Zinjifar]

Hilarious, How do you do that? turning every single post into pure comedy.

well, to be honest, I think the rescripting of dreams is probably pretty good therapy. Unless you actually try to recapitulate them in waking life :)

Most of my nightmares lost their hold on me once I'd actually experienced them or similar and realized I wasn't dead. Like late papers for school, no pants and being yelled at :)

Real life consequences of the horror of nightmare are seldom up to the internal fear. And, there is little doubt that the Sea Org is a continuing source of nightmares for ex-Sea Orgers, at least until they realize they will never again have to answer to their 'senior'.

Still, it helps to be able to laugh at yourself.

(oh, and losing my car has led me to be very careful about where I put it :))


Zinj

[He-man]

Laughter, not to be underestimated as a source of healing power.

I think I got rid of my nightmares when I became independent. Moving into a flat on my own and realising I wasn´t about to screw it up gave me a big boost. For me self reliance gave me confidence. And that helped.