Fred Hare

[Good twin]

I saw Fred Hare recently, if anyone is interested.
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[DartSmohen]

[QUOTE=Good twin;74994]I saw Fred Hare recently, if anyone is interested
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Goodness, old Fred must be in his early 100's by now. He was old back in the 1970's. :yes:

Is he still in, or has he come out.

DS

[Good twin]

Very funny. Yeah Fred is older then dirt but hasn't changed a bit. He's still very in and I didn't out myself to him. Was great to see him and sort of relive old times.
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[CarmeloOrchards]

any word on Jimmy Hare?

[Good twin]

sorry I don't know Jimmy Hare. :confused2:

[Free Will]

Wow, Fred Hare was an icon in the 70s. Many folks, myself included, were sure it was he who recorded Ron's Journal 37...and Can We Be Friends.
In 1975 (I think) we had 2 gorgeous upper-class American female GOWW recruits from Boston working on audits in Treasury while handling their out-Quals. Fred Hare came on a Mission (probably GOWW as he was MSH's staff?)
On of our GO chicks, Gillian Christie, went all 'ooh-aah' when he showed up all togged up on a huge growling motor-cycle at the Manor door. He produced a spare helmet and goggles and the two of them went roaring around the Sussex lanes and bends every after noon all the time he was there.
That's all I remember. To look that cool and pull a chick of that age and quality (pretty nearly a New England Debutante) when he must have been about 60 makes him, in my books, a helluva guy. He always had a great smile when I saw him.....but I've explained why. I think he'd flown the bike in from the States!

[Good twin]

I met Fred in the 80s. He was pretty impressive then as well, or at least memorable. I can picture him showing off with a motorcycle. I bet he really enjoyed that. When I met him he wasn't into impressing the ladies so much. He's married to a real sweet gal. But he did kidnap me once..........:yes:

[Charlie Jones]

Fred is the only semi-famous Scn I ever knew. When the feces made contact with the rotary cooling device in the Operation Snow White debacle, Fred, a GO veteran, was sent off to the hinterlands to cool his heels. The phrase "unindicted co-conspirator" comes to mind.

As a new Scn in the late 80's, my father showed me an ad in the New York Times Book review. It was an ad for a book critical of Scn, and mentioned Fair Game Policy. When I had a question about it at the Mission, I was sent to Fred to get handled.

The way Fred explained it, Fair Game was as warm and fuzzy as a kitten. It simply meant that people who left Scn weren't protected by the wonderful justice system that protected all Scns.

It was another 10 years before I learned that lying is a Scn sacrament.

Fred turns up in Kima Douglas' memoirs online, showing up where Hubbard was docked in Europe, and transporting suitcases loaded down with cash to banks in Switzerland. The word "bagman" comes to mind.

Ron never took a dime from Scientology. Took a hell of a lot of dollars though. :coolwink:

There's a tape I listened to when I was getting trained which is meant to show "auditor ARC" or some such. Hubbard is auditing Fred on an e-meter, asking him casual questions and fishing around for an overt to pull. They poke around for awhile, then Hubbard gets a meter read and says  "That. What was that?"Fred says, "That was Millie Jones. I was thinking about Millie." (I can't remember the real woman's name.)

Then it goes something like this (paraphrased):Hubbard: "Oh, yeah, Millie. What about her?"

Hare: "Well, she was quite a gal. Really alive, ya know."

Hubbard: "Ha ha. Yes, she was. Is there something there? An overt?"

Hare:[pause] "Well...Millie is the one that brought me in, ya know. Got me in to take a Comm course." [In Paris in the 50's, if I remember correctly.]

Hubbard: "Oh?" Hare: "Yeah. I remember I was really broke at the time. Didn't have the money to pay for the course, and Millie paid for it."

Hubbard: "Okay."

Hare:[long pause] "I didn't pay her back. I sort of...you know...I kind of found a way to scam her a little bit. I never paid for my first course! That's the overt."

Hubbard:"Thank you."

So you see, boys and girls, with L. Ron Hubbard's amazing technology, you can uncover and free yourself from all the sins you've ever committed...against L. Ron Hubbard.    

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

... the same way he salted the sites with jewels in Mission Into Time?

Was Fred his lovely assistant?

[DartSmohen]

... the same way he salted the sites with jewels in Mission Into Time?

Was Fred his lovely assistant?

Fred was not there.

DS

[Dulloldfart]

There's a tape I listened to when I was getting trained which is meant to show "auditor ARC" or some such. Hubbard is auditing Fred on an e-meter, asking him casual questions and fishing around for an overt to pull.

The tape is called "Fish and Fumble", and would be very familiar to anyone deeply involved in sec-checker training. The more interesting overt is some whole track thing where he was raping a bunch of little girls. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant--he did see fit to offer it as something that was reading on the meter, and Hubbard accepted it.

Paul

[Good twin]

The tape is called "Fish and Fumble", and would be very familiar to anyone deeply involved in sec-checker training. The more interesting overt is some whole track thing where he was raping a bunch of little girls. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant--he did see fit to offer it as something that was reading on the meter, and Hubbard accepted it.

Paul

"What have you done to Jack Campbell?" "What's this little tick-tick here?"

[Charlie Jones]

The tape is called "Fish and Fumble", and would be very familiar to anyone deeply involved in sec-checker training. The more interesting overt is some whole track thing where he was raping a bunch of little girls. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant--he did see fit to offer it as something that was reading on the meter, and Hubbard accepted it.Paul I was just on Level 0-4 training, and it wasn't even on the level about overts & witholds. It was on an earlier level - probably 0.I'd imagine what I heard was a excerpt of an earlier part of the same session. I would have remembered the baby-raping. -Charlie   

[sandygirl]

Quote from Charlie Jones:

I was just on Level 0-4 training, and it wasn't even on the level about overts & witholds. It was on an earlier level - probably 0.I'd imagine what I heard was a excerpt of an earlier part of the same session. I would have remembered the baby-raping. -Charlie

I heard that same tape on the old pro trs course. I almost lost my lunch!!!!

[Dulloldfart]

I was just on Level 0-4 training, and it wasn't even on the level about overts & witholds. It was on an earlier level - probably 0.I'd imagine what I heard was a excerpt of an earlier part of the same session. I would have remembered the baby-raping. -Charlie

There are different versions of the tape. One of the versions has the space-ship raping expunged from it. I'm not making this up.

Paul

[sandygirl]

I'm gonna' check in the attic because I'm sure I still have the old ones!!!

Yuck Yuck Yuck!!!!!

But....isn't removing it a TECH DEGRADE??????

[Dulloldfart]

I'm gonna' check in the attic because I'm sure I still have the old ones!!!

Yuck Yuck Yuck!!!!!

But....isn't removing it a TECH DEGRADE??????

Just a moment, getting into the right frame of mind here....

No, it isn't. I don't think any auditor these days would try and clean up a dirty needle for two hours following it back to some whole-track incident like that. From memory, it's not like he had a cog and F/N'd (it's before then, anyway). Just a long Q&A. It's a colossally useless waste of auditing time, from what I remember, and Hubbard just abandoned that incident after a bit.

Paul

[Good twin]

Just a moment, getting into the right frame of mind here....

No, it isn't. I don't think any auditor these days would try and clean up a dirty needle for two hours following it back to some whole-track incident like that. From memory, it's not like he had a cog and F/N'd (it's before then, anyway). Just a long Q&A. It's a colossally useless waste of auditing time, from what I remember, and Hubbard just abandoned that incident after a bit.

Paul

Yep. :yes:

[DartSmohen]

Yep. :yes:

Oh, the joys of confessing a whole track "overt". No recourse and safe from prosecution. The OSA cannot hold it over you and there are no witnesses.:yes: :yes:

[Tarvuist]

Oh, the joys of confessing a whole track "overt". No recourse and safe from prosecution. The OSA cannot hold it over you and there are no witnesses.:yes: :yes:
At ASHO in the mid-70's a student was denied auditing and made to petition the Guardian's Office because he revealed an earlier than this lifetime overt of being institutionalized. Per the C/S that made him an illegal pc, i.e. psych history.

Oh, the joys of standard tech...

[Pooks]

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Fred Hare

He's on Facebook

[fishdaddy]

Someone asked about James Hare. He died sometime in 2002, at the age of 60. He had been out of Scientology since sometime in the late 70's, and had been out of communication with his family since the mid-1980s, when he moved to Alaska with a girlfriend, perhaps wife, not sure. He had a history of serious drug and alcohol abuse off and on. This may be what eventually caused his death. Many have fond memories of him and his gift (flamenco guitar) while an auditor and course supervisor at SH and later on the Apollo. BTW, he never liked being called "Jimmy" - "Call me James" he always said. This information is from his sister, Christina, and posted with her permission for his old friends and acquaintances.

[Blue Spirit]

I thought I'd heard he had kicked. More power to him. :thumbsup:

He told me once the true purpose of "Mission Into Time" was

hunting for the past buried treasures.

He's got too much track in Scientology to ever leave;

reminds me of David Howson, going down with the ship and

NO-LOOK blind obedience to a Nazi leader. PITIFUL.

[Mystic]

I first met Fred at St. Hill in late '62 when I first arrived. This was a time L. Ron Hubbard, failed 666 moonchild beast and blown Crowleyanitist, was instilling the course sups with nazi hard-line ruthless "all students are a piece of shit" implant.

[Mystic]

Someone asked about James Hare. He died sometime in 2002, at the age of 60. He had been out of Scientology since sometime in the late 70's, and had been out of communication with his family since the mid-1980s, when he moved to Alaska with a girlfriend, perhaps wife, not sure. He had a history of serious drug and alcohol abuse off and on. This may be what eventually caused his death. Many have fond memories of him and his gift (flamenco guitar) while an auditor and course supervisor at SH and later on the Apollo. BTW, he never liked being called "Jimmy" - "Call me James" he always said. This information is from his sister, Christina, and posted with her permission for his old friends and acquaintances.

Thanks for the info fishdaddy. I was a good friend of James at one time. Been wondering what happened with him.

[DartSmohen]

I first met Fred in 1966 at St Hill.He was on WW staff. We used to "invite" new arrivals to come amd play poker on a Friday night. Fred, Jimmy Stewart, David Gaiman and myself were the usual suspects.

Fred came on a mission to St Hill in the early 1970's. He insisted that he be called "Sir". So we did, we called him "Sir Fred". At the end of the mission he asked me to take him to a casino in London where we played poker. Didn't see much of him after that.

First met James at St Hill. There was a small hotel/pub in Dormansland called the Apsley Arms. Owned by a scilon and frequented by us. James, Ollie Budlong, Mo Budlong, Bill Deitch, myself and a couple of others got into a game of "Cardinal Puff" James got very drunk and ended up sitting on a log by the fire playing some amazing flamenco music.

James was on the first cl 8 course. He was one of two students who graduated by preparing a c/s and processing a pc to a successful result.

Christina, well, there was a class act......:blowkiss:

Dart