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_Allan_

23rd March 2008, 11:59 PM

Hello. I'm Allan, and I'm Fair Game.

In the last month, I've read over 200 pages of infomation on Scientology, including ExScientologyKids, EXSCN, and various other pages - including Wiki.

I am a Christian - Bible Thumping, Christ Loving - to my core. I respect real religons - Buddists, Hindu, etc. But I've found that Scientology is just a cult for the top people to make money, and they do so by stepping on little people in the Org, such as Ms. Moxon etc.

I have a webpage I've put on my website, that I'm using to try to educate people - I get a few hits a month - and would love peoples opinions and or additions to it.
www.visitallan.biz/html/scientology.html (http://www.visitallan.biz/html/scientology.html). Also, I'll be joining the protest in Toronto Ontario on April 12/08, so if anyone here is going to that protest, please, please, message me so I can know someone when I go.

Thanks! And Thank you for letting me be part of this group, and for allowing me to show support for you.

edited from "SP" to "FG" ...

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 12:11 AM

If you think you might be a suppressive person, then you couldn't possibly be. I forget the tech reference on that, but your admission is thereby given the lie.

_Allan_

24th March 2008, 12:31 AM

I figure, that since I'm speaking out against it, they will call me "supressive" and / or target me as such. I guess now. :confused2:

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 02:31 AM

Just tell them you think you might actually be a suppressive, and that according to tech, that means you couldn't possibly be. Tell 'em to check their references.

Pliny Younger

24th March 2008, 05:44 AM

Hello. I'm Allan, and I'm a Suppressive Person.

In the last month, I've read over 200 pages of infomation on Scientology, including ExScientologyKids, EXSCN, and various other pages - including Wiki.

I am a Christian - Bible Thumping, Christ Loving - to my core. I respect real religons - Buddists, Hindu, etc. But I've found that Scientology is just a cult for the top people to make money, and they do so by stepping on little people in the Org, such as Ms. Moxon etc.

I have a webpage I've put on my website, that I'm using to try to educate people - I get a few hits a month - and would love peoples opinions and or additions to it.
www.visitallan.biz/html/scientology.html (http://www.visitallan.biz/html/scientology.html). Also, I'll be joining the protest in Toronto Ontario on April 12/08, so if anyone here is going to that protest, please, please, message me so I can know someone when I go.

Thanks! And Thank you for letting me be part of this group, and for allowing me to show support for you.

Allen,
Welcome to the board. Thank you for supporting our movement. Your site looks good! You highlight some great sites. That will get the word out. I can't help you with the Toronto protest, I'm down around Washington DC. Cheers.

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 12:01 PM

What movement? Please don't assume that the posters at this site are part of any kind of movement, or speak for us. My opinions are vastly different from others here, most of the time, and I'm not part of any MOVEMENT. There is no LEADER, there is no organization. There is no identification of ESMB with Anonymous, as far as I know. This is a forum, not an organization.

_Allan_

24th March 2008, 06:20 PM

OK ... sorry ... I am "Fair Game", no a SP.

"Movement" was ment to in a supporative way for all ex-scientologists, and seroiusly, Gomorrhan, you have been here a while longer, but get your panties outta the twist man ...

I'm trying to show support for people who have left the cult, and your attacking me for no reason.

I apologize to anyone else I may have offended by calling exscn a 'movement' and/or implying any relationship with Anonymous.

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 06:50 PM

I'm not attacking you. I appreciate your support. My panties are not in a twist. However, the Church of Scientology likes to paint all critical groups as organizations which are dedicated to hate speech and then tries to target their "leaders". What I'm doing is protecting this forum, or that is my intent. You are quite welcome here.

MarkWI

24th March 2008, 07:22 PM

"I am fair game" make less sense than "I am suppressive" to me.:confused2:
Fair game is the practice of the church to harass its critics. :shark: You may say you are "fair gamed" if the church did/do something against you personally, which doesn't seems to be the case.

Anyway, welcome to this board! :thumbsup:

ozzie

24th March 2008, 07:57 PM

Jeez dudes lighten up! You sure sound like your knickers are in a twist - just lighten up. No one is attacking you - you aren't talking to a Scientologist or even an ex scientologist you are talking to someone who is trying to support you and the recent activities. Why be so damn defensive?

Go eat some choco or something - or better yet have a romp in the hay with your missus, but lighten up for crying out loud you do sound like you are attacking this guy.

:yes:

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 08:03 PM

Your interpretation is as flawed as his. I said what I said for the reasons I said. There is no reason to lighten up. I'm plenty light. I just don't want to see this forum destroyed because people get on a "movement" bandwagon.

ozzie

24th March 2008, 08:12 PM

Well fine if you think my interpretation is flawed. My understanding on reading your response to him was you were attacking. Maybe I am wrong and if that is the case then fine. However, I think you should take a look at what the guy is saying. He isn't trying to make wrong and he certainly doesn't attack anyone on this board.

My OPINION is that you were defensive -- if not then good for you. But I am entitled to my opinion.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with what he said and I certainly didn't see any need for protection of this board from his comments. My perception was a person who does not know Scientology or has never been in Scientology rallying against what they feel is wrong.

You can take my OPINION with a grain of salt for all I care but I will say something if I feel the need. That is my right as it is yours.

Ozzie

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 08:18 PM

Of course. If I was in any way defensive, it was in defense against a known OSA attack pattern. This doesn't mean that the person making the post is OSA, it just means that when people turn a forum into an organization, they open themselves up to the Church's standard dirty tricks.

I don't see anything wrong with what he said, either, other than that ESMB is not a movement.

If you would like to support protestant scientologists, check out the Freezone.

Voltaire's Child

24th March 2008, 08:29 PM

Hello. I'm Allan, and I'm Fair Game.

In the last month, I've read over 200 pages of infomation on Scientology, including ExScientologyKids, EXSCN, and various other pages - including Wiki.

I am a Christian - Bible Thumping, Christ Loving - to my core. I respect real religons - Buddists, Hindu, etc. But I've found that Scientology is just a cult for the top people to make money, and they do so by stepping on little people in the Org, such as Ms. Moxon etc.

Well, I do think CofS is a cult. Although I must point out that to many individual members in it, to them, Scn is their religion and CofS is their church.

Also, not all Scientologists are even in CofS.

CofS (the Church of Scientology) is a cult.

Scientology itself is a body of ideas and methods.

gomorrhan

24th March 2008, 10:47 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention: fundamentalist bible thumpers annoy the fuck out of me. Read Richard Dawkins. Wake up.

Free to shine

24th March 2008, 11:30 PM

Welcome Allan! Your support is appreciated.

Emma

24th March 2008, 11:41 PM

Hi Allan. Welcome to ESMB.

Voltaire's Child

25th March 2008, 01:00 AM

Fundamentalist Christian contributors only annoy me if they refer to their own religion constantly as basis for debate about Scn. Some do this, some don't.

In general, when I see someone say it, I figure they're just identifying their frame of reference, just as some critics I've seen post who were letting people know they were atheist/pagan/whatever but that was about the extent of it. Kinda like "this is who I am and I'm interested in Scn criticism because...".

I have seen some Christian critics kind of bap people over the head with their religion, as I say, using that as basis for Scn debate- but fortunately, that's not all of them.

I hope to see lots of interesting discussion from Allan. The more the merrier. Welcome aboard!

_Allan_

25th March 2008, 06:15 AM

Ozzie, Emma thanks for the greetings ...

fluffy - I never beat anyone over the head with my Bible. I don't really want to break my Treo hehe ... but seriously, I try my best to not make snap judgements, and I try my best to not 'force' my beliefs on others.

Voltaire's Child

25th March 2008, 05:42 PM

That's really cool, Allan. I'm hoping we can have some fun discussions in the future. :)

duddins

25th March 2008, 06:54 PM

Understanding that there are so very many people out there that believe in the teachings of Christ,

and that the practice of religion by the "church" of Scientology is the antithesis of what is considered to be Christian ideas of forgiveness, charity, compassion, etc...

I think it is wonderful to have you on the board Allen.

Perhaps the more you learn about the practices of the 'church" of Scientology, (like forced abortions in the ranks of the Sea Organization,)

the more you will be compelled to protest and pass on the word to others of your faith.

Please don't worry about those who appear touchy on the board. Once you learn more about the dealings of the "C" of S it will all make more sense.

Welcome! :welcome2:

gomorrhan

25th March 2008, 07:36 PM

Yes, don't worry about us touchy folks, and lets go out and kill some abortion doctors!

dr3k

26th March 2008, 07:14 AM

Anyone else smell potting soil?

gomorrhan

26th March 2008, 05:43 PM

Did I say something wrong? I thought Bible-thumpers believed in killing doctors to save pollywogs.

_Allan_

26th March 2008, 06:06 PM

alex

26th March 2008, 06:18 PM

:confused2: I'm confused. If I've offended you, please, pm me and we can talk about how I offended you. If I haven't offended you, and your just tryin' to get under my skin - it'll take a LOT more. I with with children at church, and I'm a Security Guard ... so it takes a heck of a lot to get me angry. haha. Also, I hate being angry. It takes SOOO Much energy and effort to be angry.

Adj. 1. sardonic - disdainfully or ironically humorous; scornful and mocking; sarcastic - expressing or expressive of ridicule that wounds

Kevin (Gomorrhan) recently cheated death after a coma of over a week, to awake and find that his kids were still being kept from him by his wifes adhearence to scientology's policies...

If I say he needs a hug, perhaps he will deflect his bitterness towards me instead of you. Perhaps not.

alex ( who thinks: "I thought Bible-thumpers believed in killing doctors to save pollywogs" IS most amusing! )

gomorrhan

26th March 2008, 06:48 PM

Don't sweat it. Alex is right: I just need a hug. Luckily, it's on the way. It was a joke at your expense, but I'm also a bigtime advocate of Dawkins-Hitchens position: religion poisons everything.

And Alex, it was over two weeks, not one.

Would you believe it if I told you my exwife was upset about being contacted concerning my imminent death? She said it put her in an uncomfortable position, and then recommended my sister get an assists manual and tell her when it was over.

Voltaire's Child

26th March 2008, 07:48 PM

Well, how about a group hug? :bighug:

gomorrhan

26th March 2008, 07:54 PM

That would be nice. Sadly, net-hugs don't have the same effect as physical body hugs. :(

I think I need a massage. I might go get one.

Voltaire's Child

26th March 2008, 07:56 PM

Well, mock up that I hugged you!!! :happydance:

And if you ever come to Seattle, you can get a real one or two from John and me!

Voltaire's Child

26th March 2008, 07:57 PM

And a cyberhug for Allan, too. :thumbsup:

Free to shine

27th March 2008, 01:14 AM

Would you believe it if I told you my exwife was upset about being contacted concerning my imminent death? She said it put her in an uncomfortable position, and then recommended my sister get an assists manual and tell her when it was over.

That is just awful, awful! :omg:
Words (almost) fail me.....
It's the ultimate of making you a nobody because you disagree. "Go away and die". I had a similar thing happen to me. :grouch: :angry:

What a mindset to live with. I hope one day she comes face to face with the results of such thinking and wakes up.

Big hug from me too. :bighug:

gomorrhan

27th March 2008, 01:27 AM

She's a hard case. I knew if I was ever on her bad side I'd never get off it. Hard-headed. She'd rather be wrong than review her position. I doubt she even told my kids.

Free to shine

27th March 2008, 01:55 AM

She's a hard case. I knew if I was ever on her bad side I'd never get off it. Hard-headed. She'd rather be wrong than review her position. I doubt she even told my kids.

My observations over decades have shown me that inevitably people who do these things or hold such a rigid viewpoint face the situation themselves, in some form or another. Sadly that seems to be the only way some people wake up and it may take a lifetime. Hopefully your kids will not be the same, because as the other parent you show them it's ok to be you. :)

gomorrhan

27th March 2008, 02:00 AM

Yes, if they knew me, I could have that effect, which is why she is trying to prevent them from knowing me.

Voltaire's Child

27th March 2008, 06:14 PM

Kevin, my heart goes out to you. I'm glad you're strong and are "holding your position". Your ex wife does NOT sound like a credit to the ideals of Scn as written. (Notice I say "as written." I didn't say "as practiced" and we all know why.)

She is not being fair and she obviously can't face what she is doing.

I also wanted to tell you that I am so very glad you are better now and I am very glad you are back on ESMB.

_Allan_

27th March 2008, 06:17 PM

That would be nice. Sadly, net-hugs don't have the same effect as physical body hugs. :(

I think I need a massage. I might go get one.

Just make sure you go to a Registered Massage Therapists, and not a R&T *LOL*

fluffy ... http://www.visitallan.biz/html/emote/bighug.gif