Freezone America Bullshit

[The Oracle]

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob14.php

This accusation has zero specifics and is a complete lie.

This is a declare order and has actually zero specifics to any charge.

I don't know what dellusional person had the audacity to publish such a report without any specifics whatsoever and suspect people would beleive it.

This is a halluciantion.

Alan Hubbert was one of the only decent and sincere I knew involved in Scientology.

I can only assume the person who authored this thought they had power over people by offerring up an attitude and suspicion.

I myself hereby declare FREEZONE AMERICA a source of injustice and gossip on parallel with the National Enquirer.

This source is not only not reliable, it is reactionary reporting.

Someone reacted and reported their reaction.

There is not one trace of evidence in these accusations.

T.O.

[CarmeloOrchards]

I don't know what cabbage truck you fell off, but freezoneamerica's web site is at freezoneamerica.com NOT fza.

You are attacking a good guy and sending people to a site that is in no way freezone america.

get your facts straight

[Mark A. Baker]

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob14.php

This accusation has zero specifics and is a complete lie.

This is a declare order and has actually zero specifics to any charge.



I wouldn't sweat this to much T.O.. This "declare" is dated from 1982. There was a lot of damn silliness happening back then in the height of the Great Schism with all the different factions running around and the general paranoia concerning the active & very real "black ops" from the church.

Further, it's not clear who is the "owner" of this particular "freezone america" website. The registration is hidden through a service and he doesn't identify himself. BB may know, so you might ask him.

Whoever it is, he appears to be friendly with the McClaughry's and they are renown throughout the freezone for being general troublemakers.

All in all, it just seems to be another source of "noise" on the internet.


Mark A. Baker

[duddins]

The name David Griffith sounds familiar to me though. Perhaps a PAC or CCLA guy. Since it is so old....should be nothing to worry too much about.:eyeroll:

[Mark A. Baker]

I don't know what cabbage truck you fell off, but freezoneamerica's web site is at freezoneamerica.com NOT fza.

You are attacking a good guy and sending people to a site that is in no way freezone america.

get your facts straight

Actually both of you have "facts" straight. There are multiple "freezone america" websites, owned by different people.


The site referenced by T.O. "www.fza.org" calls itself "Free Zone America". T.O.'s concerns are not without legitimacy, although see my prior post on this.

There are also "freezoneamerica.com" & "freezoneamerica.org", the latter site in process of development. Both of these are evidently based on Mike Hunsaker's original.

There is ALSO "http://freezoneearth.org/" based on the original Hunsaker site and referencing it as "Freezone America".

All of which illustrates why we shouldn't be tooo quick of the mark in "attacking" others for not having their "facts" straight.:)


Mark A. Baker

[Terril park]

The name David Griffith sounds familiar to me though. Perhaps a PAC or CCLA guy. Since it is so old....should be nothing to worry too much about.:eyeroll:

Using a borrowed laptop and don't know how to view the website.

David Griffiths ( Griffin?) was a fellow traveller with the mad McClaughreys.

[Veda]

I wouldn't sweat this to much T.O.. This "declare" is dated from 1982. There was a lot of damn silliness happening back then in the height of the Great Schism with all the different factions running around and the general paranoia concerning the active & very real "black ops" from the church.

Further, it's not clear who is the "owner" of this particular "freezone america" website. The registration is hidden through a service and he doesn't identify himself. BB may know, so you might ask him.

Whoever it is, he appears to be friendly with the McClaughry's and they are renown throughout the freezone for being general troublemakers.

All in all, it just seems to be another source of "noise" on the internet.


Mark A. Baker

The source of this was Astar Paramejgian, a.k.a., Captain Bill Robertson, founder of the Free Zone and of Ron's Orgs.

There was not "a lot of damn silliness happening back then... with all the different factions running around." There was one source of silliness, Bill Robertson and his wacky Ron's Orgers and Free Zoners.

The writings of Bill Robertson are taken very seriously by the Ron's Orgs people. These writings are regarded as foundational. The difference is that, today, Ron's Orgs, along with the Free Zone and Freezone generally, use PR techniques, whereas Bill Robertson neglected PR.

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob20.php

[OHTEEATE]

You know, if you see the emperor has no clothes on, it's ok to say so. Capt. Bill went nuts, and was nuts to the end with his elron elray BS. Sector Alert. Delusions of Grandeur, definately. Nothing more. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

[Alan]

FZA was a great tool for OSA - OSA could pass so called data about ex-scio's and the stupid David Griffiths ( Griffin?) and the mad McClaughreys would attack them........originally the McClaughreys expected to take over and dominate the FZ.

[Zinjifar]

FZA was a great tool for OSA - OSA could pass so called data about ex-scio's and the stupid David Griffiths ( Griffin?) and the mad McClaughreys would attack them........originally the McClaughreys expected to take over and dominate the FZ.

Well, after all, Ron helped Virginia get a good deal on a used piano, and, if that's not an annointing, I don't know what is...

Zinj

[gomorrhan]

In the ancient, prehistoric days when I found the internet, the "Freezone America" site WAS www.fza.org. I can't remember the exact timeframe that McClaughrey's took it over, but it was a period of some turbulence for many. Ralph Hilton filled the gap where people used to talk with his FreeZone International site, and subsequently, www.freezoneamerica.org started, and then later evolved into www.freezoneearth.org, which is how it stands, now. Many of the original posters to Mike Hunsakers site were Pilot followers or at least Pilot admirers, and have moved, I think, into IFA. I left the FZ when I discovered that I didn't believe reform was possible for the Church of Scientology, and when I realized that my goals were not in alignment with FreeZone goals of creating OTs (where OT is understood to be someone who audits their BTs and clusters, rather than addressing their own case and that of the other PEOPLE IN EVIDENCE around them).

[Mark A. Baker]

The source of this was Astar Paramejgian, a.k.a., Captain Bill Robertson, founder of the Free Zone and of Ron's Orgs.

There was not "a lot of damn silliness happening back then... with all the different factions running around." There was one source of silliness, Bill Robertson and his wacky Ron's Orgers and Free Zoners.


Wrong as usual, Veda.

There were SEVERAL sources of silliness. CBR & his folk were but a few among many. I was there, I saw it happening in the SoCal arena.

It was, to say the least, an "unsettled time".


Mark A. Baker

[Veda]

The source of this was Astar Paramejgian, a.k.a., Captain Bill Robertson, founder of the Free Zone and of Ron's Orgs.

There was not "a lot of damn silliness happening back then... with all the different factions running around." There was one source of silliness, Bill Robertson and his wacky Ron's Orgers and Free Zoners.

The writings of Bill Robertson are taken very seriously by the Ron's Orgs people. These writings are regarded as foundational. The difference is that, today, Ron's Orgs, along with the Free Zone and Freezone generally, use PR techniques, whereas Bill Robertson neglected PR.

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_sob20.htm

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob20.php


Wrong as usual, Veda.

There were SEVERAL sources of silliness. CBR & his folk were but a few among many. I was there, I saw it happening in the SoCal arena.

It was, to say the least, an "unsettled time".



I was there too, and the Independent Field of that time (early/mid 1980s) was quite sane and sensible. Captain Bill and his Galactic Patrollers - the original Free Zone - were the silly ones. There were a few people doing "Channeling," but this was a fringe activity.

You were aware that Bill Robertson was the author of the 'SP Declare' in question. Yet you attempted to confuse and obfuscate as to its origin.

Why?

[Fancy]

OH No they are Back or never left. It does not mention V.

Boy that is another confused trap I fell into. I keep doing that for some reason. I just did it again and this time instead of crying I blew a cork.

When I followed them it was a time I was dearly hoping for reform in the church. I then became of of the agents for who ever knows what for them. Then I knew they were full of smoke.

Barb

[Mark A. Baker]

Yet you attempted to confuse and obfuscate as to its origin.

Why?

You are projecting again, Veda. Nothing I have posted obscures anything.

You seriously should address your personal issues which motivate your attacks on others.


Mark A. Baker

[beyond_horizons]

You are projecting again, Veda. Nothing I have posted obscures anything.

You seriously should address your personal issues which motivate your attacks on others.


Mark A. Baker
I was there at ASHO in the early 80's just before I left!

Remember well the effects of the eminent Martian invasion as the course sup freaked out in the course room. Later learned it was due to Capt Bill's all night long Martian watch detail.

Perhaps we could sum up the the point that Veda was making along the lines of ; 'some nuts never fall too far away from the cluster' ... or something like that.'
.

[duddins]

Using a borrowed laptop and don't know how to view the website.

David Griffiths ( Griffin?) was a fellow traveller with the mad McClaughreys.

Yes! Griffin. McClaughreys are also mentioned on the same site. Thanks Terril.

[CarmeloOrchards]

Mike Hunsaker should have Freezoneamerica.org up again within a week.

Freezoneearth.org took the old freezoneamerica.org's contents and reposted them, when freezoneamerica.org went away.

freezoneamerica.com took freezoneearth.org's site and reposted it as freezoneamerica.com (and one other, that I forget).

the mcClaurreys are in their own special universe. They don't deserve the respect of noticing that they have something anytime anywhere

[Veda]

I was there at ASHO in the early 80's just before I left!

Remember well the effects of the eminent Martian invasion as the course sup freaked out in the course room. Later learned it was due to Capt Bill's all night long Martian watch detail.

Perhaps we could sum up the the point that Veda was making along the lines of ; 'some nuts never fall too far away from the cluster' ... or something like that.'
.

That, and that half of the site in question (that was linked in the first post) consisted of 'Free Zone Captain Bill' writings and pronouncements, including the offending 'Free Zone SP Declare'.

Since some folks still promote Captain Bill's stuff (Ron's Orgs), the mention of the original source of the 'SP Declare' seems to have hit a nerve.

[gomorrhan]

I know someone personally who knew Mike McClaughrey very well when he was an auditor in the Tech Department of the San Francisco Org, prior to his GO/OSA days. My friend said that McClaughrey was a very good auditor, a really good guy, and that he had a hard time believing how fucked up he'd become. Perhaps he should have stayed in the Tech Department. OSA can really fuck a good person up.

[MarkWI]

I was there at ASHO in the early 80's just before I left!

Remember well the effects of the eminent Martian invasion as the course sup freaked out in the course room. Later learned it was due to Capt Bill's all night long Martian watch detail.

Perhaps we could sum up the the point that Veda was making along the lines of ; 'some nuts never fall too far away from the cluster' ... or something like that.'
.

This freakout is still used today in the Sea Org to push production. I remember a talk by Books Exec Int in 1996 about "beings out there who won't wait for us, and we must be ready for them".

[beyond_horizons]

Since some folks still promote Captain Bill's stuff (Ron's Orgs), the mention of the original source of the 'SP Declare' seems to have hit a nerve.

I got to hand it to you, you sure do have a way of getting nuggets of nuts to surface out of the cow pie! And from this perspective it's a 'Dirty Job' for sure. Seems you're doing it 10 times better than Mike Rowe could ever do!

:thumbsup:

[beyond_horizons]

Seems you're doing it 10 times better than Mike Rowe could ever do!

:thumbsup:

In fact , perhaps it's time for a new avatar?

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/dirtyjobs/wallpaper/gallery/wp4_100.jpg

:eyeroll:

[Dulloldfart]

This freakout is still used today in the Sea Org to push production. I remember a talk by Books Exec Int in 1996 about "beings out there who won't wait for us, and we must be ready for them".

Verbal tech time: Wasn't there a PL by Hubbard from around Spring 1963 talking cryptically about beings up there and we need to "better their energy levels" or we'll be toast? (He didn't use the word "toast"). I think it was entitled "Current Planning". When I gave credence to this stuff I assumed he was talking about between-lives implanters, as it was about the same time he issued the HCOB and tape on that.

I remember the relevant couple of lines from that PL being quoted every now and then when some management type wanted a bit of extra-terrestrial leverage for their latest over-the-top production push.

Paul

EDIT: Oh goodie--someone had a copy of this. I'm not going to keep this quote on here--I'll delete it within 24 hours. PLEASE DON'T QUOTE MY POST WITH THIS QUOTE IN IT! It's a bit long for a fair use quote, in my opinion.

(Quote later deleted)

[mountainpeak]

Thanks for that quote, Paul. I was thinking of it myself not too long ago.

[beyond_horizons]

That’s typical Hubbo :no: keeping beings smaller inside the box. He, his group, his writings and his problems have long since stopped being a concern of mine!

Hubbard’s mockup of reality is not that of the collective holographic consciousness of the new age.

:)

__________________

“I reject your reality and substitute my own!”
--Adam Savage 'Mythbusters'

[gomorrhan]

Man, it sounds a lot like my NDE in January. I specifically remember the paranoia (Legionnaire's Disease is famous for generating "persecution complexes", and hospitals are pretty good places to become psychotic when confined and heavily drugged), and it was JUST LIKE THIS. Very much a matrix-like thing, only with Galactic Patrol overtones. In my fever-dream (107 folks!) I was part of a group of free living beings who were hunted by a machine intelligence, and there was a territory battle being fought on earth, but it was really an effort by this machine intelligence to destroy all life or subjugate it. I was captured, tied down, and tortured (which paralleled being tied to my hospital bed, anaesthetized, and then invasive procedures for what seemed like days on end), and in the end, I thought I died before I broke. The world inverted, and instead of my fever dream, which I'd died from, I woke up in the hospital with amnesia, and the belief that I was a soldier from another time, hunted, and in desperate need of water and a gun. I kept asking the nurses for a handgun, and asking them if they were going to protect me when the xenomorphs got there. When they said there were no xenomorphs, I said, "not yet, honey. Give me a gun, PLEASE.". They kept me tied for a while after that. Damned opiates! Took days to figure out who I was, where I was, and that everyone around me wasn't working for the machines (which beeped and caused them to do things).

You aren't all working for the machines, are you?

[Mark A. Baker]

You aren't all working for the machines, are you?

Of course not, Kevin! What a silly thing to say. Now do lie back. I do believe it is time for your medication. Beeep! :yes:



Mark A. Baker

[gomorrhan]

I'm looking at a possible job change. I'd truly be working for the machines at the new job, helping people figure out problems with their power supplies so that the machines can continue their Moore's Law march.

[Alan]

Finding exactly who we're up against on Earth (the A.M.A.) helped. But finding exactly what each one of us faces and how in the Between Lives Area bids for a change of mood. - LRH



The insanity that this one paragraph, at that time, spawned was awesome.

A whole new set of Scio boogie-men and boogie-orgs came into being - Scio's went nuts over this - even the freight trains on Venus stopped running on time! :omg:




If we fail we've had it. It's not just a matter of getting killed. It's a matter of getting killed and killed and killed life after life forever more.

Even if you have no great reality on this now you will soon enough. But probably you already understand it.

Those guys up there mean business. We've got to match or better their energy level and dedication or we lose.



The Marcabians are coming! The Markabians are coming! Oops! They are already here! They've taken over the FBI - the CIA - the IRS - and infiltrated Scio! :omg:

Watch out the R6ers are coming as well.......:melodramatic: :melodramatic: :melodramatic:


So began the era of 1964 where only "Ron" our super-hero could save us and Scientology.

[Dulloldfart]

When they said there were no xenomorphs, I said, "not yet, honey. Give me a gun, PLEASE.". They kept me tied for a while after that.

Wowza. I'm tempted to wonder if people had visions like this before the popularity of sci-fi books and movies. I would guess that such visions--assuming for the sake of argument that they are fever- and drug-induced delusions--would parallel the individual's cultural experiences, including known fictional ones.

If--big if--there were in reality local implant stations, bodies in pawn, and similar Matrix-style equipment, and these were viewed by some people undergoing near-death experiences and suchlike, how would such installations have been reported, say, in the 19th century, without the familiar sci-fi background? Are there such reports in the literature?

Paul

[beyond_horizons]

Wowza. I'm tempted to wonder if people had visions like this before the popularity of sci-fi books and movies. I would guess that such visions--assuming for the sake of argument that they are fever- and drug-induced delusions--would parallel the individual's cultural experiences, including known fictional ones.
Paul
Well the way I see it, anyone who had an NDE makes for a special kind of guru identiy quite capable of attracting others of the same mindset to form a new entity.

The best console on this board, for those with these kinds of issues is Alan! He has his AE debug tech down to a science.

And as far as machines, all are created to serve a purpose in their own time and space. All things are important and all things can be used to abuse in other times and spaces. I suppose it depends on your experiences and perspective in the here and now and which 'level' of the multiverse you tune your metaphysical antenna into. Personally if it weren’t for machines, I wouldn't be here posting today.

It was a medical Dr. who used an X Ray that shadowed the mass. It was a CAT scan that imaged the mass. It was an operating room and a surgeon that removed the 8 by 5.5 cm thymic carcinoma from around my heart in June of 2005.

It was a follow up PET scan and an injection of radioactive positrons that showed that there was no glucose metabolation indicating an absence of metastasis of the carcinoma cells.

And because of that, here I is adding a different perspective from the multiverse! :stickpoke:.

:D

[Free to shine]

And because of that, here I is adding a different perspective from the multiverse! :stickpoke:.

:D

Wow. And I for one am very glad you are here adding your perspectives. :)

[alex]

Verbal tech time: Wasn't there a PL by Hubbard from around Spring 1963 talking cryptically about beings up there and we need to "better their energy levels" or we'll be toast? (He didn't use the word "toast"). I think it was entitled "Current Planning". When I gave credence to this stuff I assumed he was talking about between-lives implanters, as it was about the same time he issued the HCOB and tape on that.

I remember the relevant couple of lines from that PL being quoted every now and then when some management type wanted a bit of extra-terrestrial leverage for their latest over-the-top production push.

Paul

EDIT: Oh goodie--someone had a copy of this. I'm not going to keep this quote on here--I'll delete it within 24 hours. PLEASE DON'T QUOTE MY POST WITH THIS QUOTE IN IT! It's a bit long for a fair use quote, in my opinion.

"Those guys up there mean business. We've got to match or better their
energy level and dedication or we lose."

Sounds like the same sort of viewpoint as in the discredited OT 8 hcob, off planet, outside our universe beings manipulating us.

Maybe Hubbard was stuck in a games condition with them, maybe there is some truth to it....

The discredited ot8 document indicates to me.

But then, who am I?

A scientologist with memories of space opera, and medelsome entities.

:coolwink:

alex

[MarkWI]

Quoted from Bare-Faced Messiah (http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/bfm/bfm21.htm):


[...]
One afternoon, while Hubbard was away from his office, Doreen Smith came across a pile of letters Quentin had written to his father. She was surprised: she knew the Commodore had not replied to any of them because all his mail went out via the messengers.

"Out of curiosity, I pulled the letters out and read a couple," she confessed. "It sounded like Quentin had gone crazy. He was talking about people coming from outer space and what we were going to do about it and how he knew the Marcabs were coming every five thousand years to check on our development. It seemed like he had taken his father's space odyssey stories and plumped them in his own reality. It was real loony tune stuff." She told no one about this except, of course, all the other messengers.

Doreen was close to the younger Hubbard children and was shocked by Quentin's letters.
[...]

[Veda]

Vital information for all Scientologists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iUzgo3M0-U&feature=related

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5184915622886374579&q=marcabian&ei=i28LSLyHFpzA4ALSpqGnBA

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4642456431109123298&q=the+shrinking+world+of+l.+ron+hubbard&ei=0HQLSK2vMZLQ4gKbl42oBA&hl=en

Scientology is the only hope for Mankind, and the only hope for YOU!

Any sacrifice or expense is justified; any compromise or reality adjustment is justified; the Fair Game Law is justified.

Enemies of Scientology may be tricked, sued, lied to or destroyed.

You are on the Bridge to Total Freedom.

[beyond_horizons]

Wow. And I for one am very glad you are here adding your perspectives. :)

The feeling is sooo mutual! :kiss:

__________________

"In the 'Meta' of the metaphysical, the difference between ... 'All Alone and All One' ... is the fellow that insists on being known as Al.
-- :)

[Dulloldfart]

Don't forget his adventures as a Marcab racetrack driver:

Ron the Racer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRrcUW_Sp3Y)

Paul

[Mark A. Baker]

Wowza. I'm tempted to wonder if people had visions like this before the popularity of sci-fi books and movies. I would guess that such visions--assuming for the sake of argument that they are fever- and drug-induced delusions--would parallel the individual's cultural experiences, including known fictional ones.


You've never read up on vision quest practices, shamanism, spirit visions, or historical evidence of NDE's & OOB's? :omg:



Mark A. Baker

[Mark A. Baker]

... Scio's went nuts over this - even the freight trains on Venus stopped running on time! :omg:

Find Mussolini & send him. He's good at that.



[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]The Marcabians are coming! The Markabians are coming! Oops! They are already here! .

We come in Peace.


MarkAB-aker

[beyond_horizons]

Well when you were dropped of from Xenu's DC-8 Space plane, I was flying in and out in my Merkaba.

http://www.crystalinks.com/merkaba.html

:D

[Dulloldfart]

You've never read up on vision quest practices, shamanism, spirit visions, or historical evidence of NDE's & OOB's? :omg:

Mark A. Baker

Clearly. :)

Paul

[Mark A. Baker]

You've never read up on vision quest practices, shamanism, spirit visions, or historical evidence of NDE's & OOB's? :omg:


Clearly. :)




If that is true, I find it surprising, given the variety of your interests.


Mark A. Baker

[Dulloldfart]

If that is true <snip> ....

Mark A. Baker

I do make a lot of joking statements, not to be taken at face value, and often it is probably hard to tell if I am being serious or not. But I tend not to joke about real events. So if I say I went to such and such a place or read a certain book or didn't ever see such and such it can be taken as factual, to the best of my recall anyway. I value my credibility, so I steer away from factual falsehoods, except for things totally ridiculous like getting married later that same day to someone in the USA when I am in England and the other person is already married. Or indulging in strange practices with inflatable armadillos.

The mildly ridiculous things like the food replicator, robot auditor, radionics stuff and so forth are all quite genuine, as are my beliefs in 9/11 being an inside job; astronauts walking on the moon being a hoax; the reality of chemtrails; and other such gems as come up from time to time.

So in this case, I haven't read much on the subjects mentioned. Honest.

Paul

[Mark A. Baker]

So in this case, I haven't read much on the subjects mentioned. Honest.

Paul

I didn't disbelieve you, I just thought it a bit surprising.

Besides, there is nothing "wrong" with inflatable armadillos. It demonstrates an interest in the 5th & 6th Dynamics. :whistling:


Mark A. Baker

[Voltaire's Child]

'Pends on what one does with them. :D

[Voltaire's Child]

The mildly ridiculous things like the food replicator, robot auditor, radionics stuff and so forth are all quite genuine, as are my beliefs in 9/11 being an inside job; astronauts walking on the moon being a hoax; the reality of chemtrails; and other such gems as come up from time to time.

So in this case, I haven't read much on the subjects mentioned. Honest.

Paul


True? As in you do believe that 9/11 was an inside job and astronauts never made it to the moon?

[gomorrhan]

I believe 9/11 was an inside job, but I do believe that astronauts landed on the moon, and will soon be mining the asteroids for precious industrial metals like platinum and nickel and cadmium.

[Vinaire]

True? As in you do believe that 9/11 was an inside job and astronauts never made it to the moon?

That seems to be DOF's viewpoint, and that is quite surprising to me.

There is nothing wrong with it, though.

.

[Mark A. Baker]

'Pends on what one does with them. :D

It's true if it's true for you. :whistling:


Mark A. Baker

[Vinaire]

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob14.php

This accusation has zero specifics and is a complete lie.

This is a declare order and has actually zero specifics to any charge.

I don't know what dellusional person had the audacity to publish such a report without any specifics whatsoever and suspect people would beleive it.

This is a halluciantion.

Alan Hubbert was one of the only decent and sincere I knew involved in Scientology.

I can only assume the person who authored this thought they had power over people by offerring up an attitude and suspicion.

I myself hereby declare FREEZONE AMERICA a source of injustice and gossip on parallel with the National Enquirer.

This source is not only not reliable, it is reactionary reporting.

Someone reacted and reported their reaction.

There is not one trace of evidence in these accusations.

T.O.

I think this is simply a dramatization of what was done to the person who is issuing this fatwa.

.

[gomorrhan]

Before sci fi and television, I doubt people were actually surviving the sorts of diseases I had, and I doubt that if they did survive, they had the mental faculties remaining to report their memories. However, I take your point. How much of my experience was conditioned by preconceived notions? Then again, how much was conditioned by the beeping, the flashing lights, the continual pricking of my skin with needles, the constant intrusion of drugs into my system, the chatter of people around me which might have been interpreted during my coma as command phrases, etc.

In another time, if my condition was survived, would I have interpreted it all as elves and demons? Quite probably.

[beyond_horizons]

http://www.fza.org/other/sector9/sob14.php
I myself hereby declare FREEZONE AMERICA a source of injustice and gossip on parallel with the National Enquirer.

For once I agree with Vinay.

If it bothers you so much, go out and do something tangible about it on a message board where folks are interested in freezone affairs. Post on one of Terril's freezone message boards if you haven’t already. Crying and whining about it here isn't going to do any good. The only standards by which you judge illusion are illusionary when you yourself are ungrounded.

And while you’re at it, get 'correction lists' in to help debug the illusion down to something manageable by your new scale of illusion through halluciantion if there is such a thing in scientology! And don't forget to have those standard tech auditors send Alan 100 bucks every time correction lists are used and your halluciantion scale indicates a drop in the illusion factor!

This is a new program, I will be standing up, to be implemented by Terril since he is the liaison of that group.

And don't forget to Hip Hip Hooray Saint Ron and his band of dedicated and merry men and woman for making all this wonderful standard tech available in the freezone marketplace for you to manage!

:yes:

[beyond_horizons]

It's true if it's true for you. :whistling:


Mark A. Baker

That statement taken as you just stated it is core to problem we face here. You need to get that Hubbo quote casterated from your mindset for the sake of the children!

[Voltaire's Child]

For once I agree with Vinay.

If it bothers you so much, go out and do something tangible about it on a message board where folks are interested in freezone affairs. Post on one of Terril's freezone message boards if you haven’t already. Crying and whining about it here isn't going to do any good. The only standards by which you judge illusion are illusionary when you yourself are ungrounded.

And while you’re at it, get 'correction lists' in to help debug the illusion down to something manageable by your new scale of illusion through halluciantion if there is such a thing in scientology! And don't forget to have those standard tech auditors send Alan 100 bucks every time correction lists are used and your halluciantion scale indicates a drop in the illusion factor!

This is a new program, I will be standing up, to be implemented by Terril since he is the liaison of that group.

And don't forget to Hip Hip Hooray Saint Ron and his band of dedicated and merry men and woman for making all this wonderful standard tech available in the freezone marketplace for you to manage!

:yes:


Cross pollination on forums is rather common. Every now and again, I see posts from the FZ list- a subscriber-only list as it is- cut and pasted to OCMB with much accompanying editorializing.

And so it goes.

[Free Will]

Reading this thread has proven amusing. Captain Bill wrote the Ethics Order originally linked to, along with his interesting debrief of the actual history of the Sea Org and GO. They've both been on the net for ages on other sites:
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/marcab-bul14.htm
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_cb.html

When he came over to Crown Hotel East Grinstead in May 1983 to brief us, along with a video from David Mayo, a lot of his story provided a plausible explanation of how the Church had been infiltrated and was being destroyed.
Some of that is on Google: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4517051303808700897&q=&hl=en
As you can hear, Bill has worked with LRH not only over many centuries but many millions.:thumbsup:
:happydance:
He was obviously highly respected by Ron and Mary Sue, hence his unique ranks. It seems Ron and Bill shared the same sort of paranoia, or whatever. At that time Bill questioned whether Ron was still alive, or thought he was being held hostage. It was after that most of us abandoned trying to correct the C of $ or get back in.
Bill was great at acting as a Hidden Data Line. It was him and Ron against SMERSH and the invaders.
He showed us the engraved ceremonial sword Excalibur, which Ron had personally awarded him, and before leaving he played us the music he'd composed for the projected Hollywood blockbuster...either "Revolt In The Stars" or "Back To The Mothership".
Little did I then suspect that he was no more nutty than the Old Man himself.
Cap'n Bill reckoned the FBI/Smersh didn't want to destroy the Church, but take it over, to service just a select few.
It must be pretty hard getting new public in these days.
The C of $ seems to have made some special deal with YouTube (Google) since they have a unique page with features not available to any other user. Reckon they'll be demanding all Anonymous and other 'entheta' material be taken down, if they pay YouTube enough money (like all my unpaid wages).
Anyway, for all his nuttiness, Bill actually helped me decide I was out for good.
Sorry if this is all non-sequitur nonsense but, despite illness, etc., all this sharing is entertaining me a lot. DC-8's? Wasn't I taught that wings are for going through atmosphere/air and there's none of that in space? When you're running OT III, etc, do you actually have to mock up the spaceships, volcano and all that? So you guys who did it could remember jumbo jets that can fly interstellar distances?

Anyway, I might and might not be back, but I must agree:
9/11 was a US job and no-one ever got to the moon.:)

[byte301]

OMG. Like someone said, "It's deja vu all over again!" :hysterical:

[Zinjifar]

OMG. Like someone said, "It's deja vu all over again!" :hysterical:

All aboard for the Merry Go Ron! You pays your ticket; you takes your ride, and when it's done, you're right back where you started.

And, you can either go home or buy some cotton candy or go to the freak show, or, you can get right back on again.

Zinj