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Alanzo
8th May 2008, 03:12 PM
http://www.whyileftscientology.com/ (http://www.whyileftscientology.com/)

Alan
8th May 2008, 03:46 PM
http://www.whyileftscientology.com/ (http://www.whyileftscientology.com/)



My god! What a horror story.........the inmates have taken over the asylums! :omg:

Kathy (ImOut)
8th May 2008, 09:23 PM
I used to sort of know this person.

Great story.

OHTEEATE
8th May 2008, 09:47 PM
Ruth is my buddy. She sells my books and tapes, and they are almost all gone!

Dulloldfart
8th May 2008, 09:54 PM
What I find horrific about her story, that I read most if not all of, is that it is by no means exceptional, and could well be pretty much the norm.

Which leads me to the following:

1. It must be unconscionable to people who have never experienced life-changing wins from auditing how people stick with the CofS despite years or decades of similar abuse; and

2. How valuable people must consider these wins and their hopes for later-similar ones, whether for themselves or for others!

Paul

Wisened One
8th May 2008, 10:13 PM
The Church of Scientology wants you cowering in a dark corner, blubbering with tears, and fearful of doing anything about your condition. I assure you, you are not alone in your inhumane treatment from the powerful and wealthy Church of Scientology.

:no: THIS IS SO TRUE!!! and SAD and SICK!!!!:no:

Good twin
8th May 2008, 11:52 PM
Wow. I guess Cary got ethics change on his A to E. Or maybe he's in fear that he's being watched. Never known him to turn down a good deal. Pleeeze!:duh:

alex
9th May 2008, 12:18 AM
What I find horrific about her story, that I read most if not all of, is that it is by no means exceptional, and could well be pretty much the norm.

Which leads me to the following:

1. It must be unconscionable to people who have never experienced life-changing wins from auditing how people stick with the CofS despite years or decades of similar abuse; and

2. How valuable people must consider these wins and their hopes for later-similar ones, whether for themselves or for others!

Paul

Hallejuliah.

alex

Takin Time
9th May 2008, 03:10 AM
Wow. I guess Cary got ethics change on his A to E. Or maybe he's in fear that he's being watched. Never known him to turn down a good deal. Pleeeze!:duh:

Ha ha ha. Now THAT's funny. :roflmao:

From the website:


Cary Goulston won't buy an LRH item from anyone unless you're "in good standing" with the Church of Scientology

Scientologists are forbidden to associate with or communicate with those who are "disaffected" or who are "declared". They are brainwashed into thinking that this is for their own good.

I offered for sale some items online. Actually, it was a framed photo of L. Ron Hubbard and two certificate holders. I received a reply from Cary Goulston asking me "Interested to know what the certificates are? Where and when are they from?" Huh? What?!?!? The ad said they were empty frames and the photo showed two empty frames. So I answered "No certs. Just frames."

Cary Goulston then asked me "Are you a Scientologist? Were you on staff?" What a stupid question to ask about a $15 item. Did he think I felt like chit-chatting or something? I answered "Irrelevant."

His reply? "I guess that means yes and if you are declared I can't do biz and if your (sic) not declared, your (sic) disaffected in which case, I shouldn't do biz with you either. So I guess I am sorry, but I cannot go any further biz wise."

Can you spell "Cut off your nose to spite your face"? Personally, I don't care about the measly $15 I asked for these items. I cared enough to offer them to someone who might want them. I guess I'll just throw them in the garbage now. Bye-bye, L. Ron Hubbard! Your followers no longer care about your revered photo, because I gave it "cooties".

Notes: 2/28/2008 Cary Goulston 727-488-7988 carybg@aol.com
:noevil: :smack:

Veda
9th May 2008, 08:15 AM
What I find horrific about her story, that I read most if not all of, is that it is by no means exceptional, and could well be pretty much the norm.

Which leads me to the following:

1. It must be unconscionable to people who have never experienced life-changing wins from auditing how people stick with the CofS despite years or decades of similar abuse; and

2. How valuable people must consider these wins and their hopes for later-similar ones, whether for themselves or for others!

Paul

It's the wins (and sometimes it only takes one) that make the Scientological "crazy-glue" nice and sticky.

It seems to have been designed that way.

Quite a nasty trick.

alex
9th May 2008, 03:53 PM
http://www.whyileftscientology.com/ (http://www.whyileftscientology.com/)

I particularly "enjoyed" the ethics program:

http://www.whyileftscientology.com/ethicsprogram2005.pdf

Which emphasized "The only thing you can be upbraided for by students or pcs is "no results"....."

and

"The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. ..... An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done."

Considering the situation was no results and enforced group agreement.

Perphaps that MAA was subconsciously writing their own perfect ethics program?

Sad irony.

I spend too much time pondering how ideas that seem so appropriate can be implemented so wrong. How people can have the data in front of them and do the opposite. And why "we" let "them".

alex

Neo
9th May 2008, 03:58 PM
I spend too much time pondering how ideas that seem so appropriate can be implemented so wrong. How people can have the data in front of them and do the opposite. And why "we" let "them".


Because inside the group the group is bigger. And this group is insane.

Outside the group the individual realises himself, and can reach a greater level of truth and understanding.

At least that's been my experience.

Alanzo
9th May 2008, 03:59 PM
I particularly "enjoyed" the ethics program:

http://www.whyileftscientology.com/ethicsprogram2005.pdf

Which emphasized "The only thing you can be upbraided for by students or pcs is "no results"....."

and

"The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans without banks have different responses. ..... An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done."

Considering the situation was no results and enforced group agreement.

Perphaps that MAA was subconsciously writing their own perfect ethics program?

Sad irony.

I spend too much time pondering how ideas that seem so appropriate can be implemented so wrong. How people can have the data in front of them and do the opposite. And why "we" let "them".

alex

Because mass movements are like that.

All of them.

The fundamental mistake was in thinking that it would never get corrupted, and that the ideals could be implemented without damage and hypocrisy.

Nazis felt the same way.

And so did Communists, and Christians, and Muslims, and Scientologists.

It was a mistake to join up and think we were going to be different. As so many before us have thought.

That's how I see it.

It is a common mistake made by many millions throughout human history.

riptide
22nd April 2009, 07:33 AM
Because mass movements are like that.

All of them.

The fundamental mistake was in thinking that it would never get corrupted, and that the ideals could be implemented without damage and hypocrisy.

Nazis felt the same way.

And so did Communists, and Christians, and Muslims, and Scientologists.

It was a mistake to join up and think we were going to be different. As so many before us have thought.

That's how I see it.

It is a common mistake made by many millions throughout human history.

You nailed it.

Wisened One
22nd April 2009, 04:50 PM
The Church of Scientology wants you cowering in a dark corner, blubbering with tears, and fearful of doing anything about your condition. I assure you, you are not alone in your inhumane treatment from the powerful and wealthy Church of Scientology.

:no: THIS IS SO TRUE!!! and SAD and SICK!!!!:no:

Hey guys...can you help me find that above statement that I had quoted? Can't seem to find it in that link the op gave.....:confused: :unsure:

Takin Time
22nd April 2009, 04:55 PM
http://www.whyileftscientology.com/

Last paragraph.

Wisened One
22nd April 2009, 05:13 PM
http://www.whyileftscientology.com/

Last paragraph.

:duh: Thanks so much, that's what I get for not saying 'Quote from blabla' :eyeroll: