I, Alanzo, am PTS

[Alanzo]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle him?

[Good twin]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle it?

Shoot Alanzo....you're the first one I know of. I don't have a clue. How did this happen? One minute you're trying to get declared and now you're making nice with them? I been toured three times in the past three weeks, but I haven't cracked yet. Maybe you should go back and finish your contract. You were only in for less than 20 years .....right?

[Pixie]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle it?

Alanzo don't be silly, no one minds what you've been doing, who you've been talking to or where you've been at, we love you anyway and you don't have to explain yourself to anyone ok! No one can tell you what to do except yourself and well you know it! Now me and the girls could have done with you on our 'success' thread which I feel you may find very interesting however you need to read the whole thread ok as this may bring your attention out of whatever it's in, or not in as the case may be.

Now, put your feet up, have a cup of nice hot tea and get back into having a party.. :yes:

[Boldgirl]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle him?


I say 'do whatever the hell you want to!"
You will only be terminated if you help OSA hurt another person.

[Good twin]

Alanzo don't be silly, no one minds what you've been doing, who you've been talking to or where you've been at, we love you anyway and you don't have to explain yourself to anyone ok! No one can tell you what to do except yourself and well you know it! Now me and the girls could have done with you on our 'success' thread which I feel you may find very interesting however you need to read the whole thread ok as this may bring your attention out of whatever it's in, or not in as the case may be.

Now, put your feet up, have a cup of nice hot tea and get back into having a party.. :yes:

Oh, Pixie can we pose WITH Alanzo? Maybe that would be fun.....:yes:

[Pixie]

Shoot Alanzo....you're the first one I know of. I don't have a clue. How did this happen? One minute you're trying to get declared and now you're making nice with them? I been toured three times in the past three weeks, but I haven't cracked yet. Maybe you should go back and finish your contract. You were only in for less than 20 years .....right?

He's not fucking serious!! Is he???????????? Go back in???? Good twin are you mad?? Of course he's not going to go back to being a slave, he's come too far!! He's joking, he's looking for a reaction!! :eyeroll:

[Pixie]

Oh, Pixie can we pose WITH Alanzo? Maybe that would be fun.....:yes:

Men are welcome however they don't get paid, they're payment is posing with the women butt naked.

[Alanzo]

Shoot Alanzo....you're the first one I know of. I don't have a clue. How did this happen? One minute you're trying to get declared and now you're making nice with them? I been toured three times in the past three weeks, but I haven't cracked yet. Maybe you should go back and finish your contract. You were only in for less than 20 years .....right?

16 years, and 8 as a critic.

I'm having doubts about certainties I used to have as a critic.

I'm moody.

[Good twin]

He's not fucking serious!! Is he???????????? Go back in???? Good twin are you mad?? Of course he's not going to go back to being a slave, he's come too far!! He's joking, he's looking for a reaction!! :eyeroll:

Well, yeah that's what I was thinking. Alanzo? You serious? Please shake it off Alanzo.

[Little Bear Victor]

Alanzo,

There ain't a helluva lot to worry about there.

There is no such thing as "PTS" outside of Scientology, and inside Scientology being connected to a Scientologists doesn't exactly count as such.

It just makes you PMS (Potential Money Source), that's all.

[Boldgirl]

Men are welcome however they don't get paid, they're payment is posing with the women butt naked.

absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heck --I'd charge them for the privilege.

[Alanzo]

Well, yeah that's what I was thinking. Alanzo? You serious? Please shake it off Alanzo.

But they're telling me things and reminding me of what it's like to be a Scientologist. Sometimes it's really good, ya know?

Remember?

They seem to get a lot out of their religion. Like anyone else with a religion does.

[Boldgirl]

But they're telling me things and reminding me of what it's like to be a Scientologist. Sometimes it's really good, ya know?

Remember?

They seem to get a lot out of their religion. Like anyone else with a religion does.

remember this?

http://www.shoveltrouble.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/zombies.jpg

[Alanzo]

remember this?
http://www.shoveltrouble.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/zombies.jpg



No. I don't remember being like that ever.

What do I do now?

[Boldgirl]

better yet alanzo......remember this?

http://blog.lege.net/content/Follow_the_Lemmings_files/2011186950101688296S600x600Q85.jpg

[Good twin]

Okay Alanzo. I'm spillin now. Last Sunday I was toured. It was the second time I was toured. The first time I was toured by two OT committee members, This time it was the current Mission Holder and a former Mission Holder. I was a Mission Holder until less than two years ago. These guys showed up and I nearly fell apart. Was tellin ImOut that part of me wanted them to succeed or at least do a really good job. I wanted to coach them, assist them help them. That's what I've been doing for 30+ years! I know they came to see me because they were ordered to, but there was love there. I know that's sappy but it's true. And I love them too. But I told them "NO". I told them that I don't want to be recovered I don't want to do the basics and please leave me alone. It's been a tough week for me.
Your turn spill.............

[Boldgirl]

No. I don't remember being like that ever.

What do I do now?

dress up for halloween as a zombie and play it up. Then make a decision.

[Pixie]

absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heck --I'd charge them for the privilege.

Good girl, that's the kind of things we want to hear, now.. do you want to be the manager?

[Alanzo]

better yet alanzo......remember this?

http://blog.lege.net/content/Follow_the_Lemmings_files/2011186950101688296S600x600Q85.jpg

I never did that, except for with my credit cards.

And those are all paid off now.

I hope I don't get sick.

Should I disconnect?

[Boldgirl]

Okay Alanzo. I'm spillin now. Last Sunday I was toured. It was the second time I was toured. The first time I was toured by two OT committee members, This time it was the current Mission Holder and a former Mission Holder. I was a Mission Holder until less than two years ago. These guys showed up and I nearly fell apart. Was tellin ImOut that part of me wanted them to succeed or at least do a really good job. I wanted to coach them, assist them help them. That's what I've been doing for 30+ years! I know they came to see me because they were ordered to, but there was love there. I know that's sappy but it's true. And I love them too. But I told them "NO". I told them that I don't want to be recovered I don't want to do the basics and please leave me alone. It's been a tough week for me.
Your turn spill.............


I bet that was hard. Just don't forget the pain, glad you said no.

[Pixie]

But they're telling me things and reminding me of what it's like to be a Scientologist. Sometimes it's really good, ya know?

Remember?

They seem to get a lot out of their religion. Like anyone else with a religion does.

Yes, we remember, but that 'good stuff' Alanzo was the comaradaire, the connection and closeness of other people one has stuff in common with. Sure there were great times, really fantastic high times, but look at the overall picture will you?

[Good twin]

Alanzo Pleeeze....................hold my hand!

[Boldgirl]

I never did that, except for with my credit cards.

And those are all paid off now.

I hope I don't get sick.

Should I disconnect?

:sparky:
I have no earthly idea.

Just dont forget the pain alanzo---although I know you are sitting there in your chair leaning back laughing your ass off at all the girls coming to the rescue to stop you from jumping again.

[Alanzo]

Okay Alanzo. I'm spillin now. Last Sunday I was toured. It was the second time I was toured. The first time I was toured by two OT committee members, This time it was the current Mission Holder and a former Mission Holder. I was a Mission Holder until less than two years ago. These guys showed up and I nearly fell apart. Was tellin ImOut that part of me wanted them to succeed or at least do a really good job. I wanted to coach them, assist them help them. That's what I've been doing for 30+ years! I know they came to see me because they were ordered to, but there was love there. I know that's sappy but it's true. And I love them too. But I told them "NO". I told them that I don't want to be recovered I don't want to do the basics and please leave me alone. It's been a tough week for me.
Your turn spill.............

I remembered the kind of things about how I chose to live my life because of what I felt I needed at the time.

I got the thought that that was a valid thing for someone to think.

I'm spinning!

It's EVIL.

It's GOOD!

It's EVIL

It's GOOD!

[Pixie]

Okay Alanzo. I'm spillin now. Last Sunday I was toured. It was the second time I was toured. The first time I was toured by two OT committee members, This time it was the current Mission Holder and a former Mission Holder. I was a Mission Holder until less than two years ago. These guys showed up and I nearly fell apart. Was tellin ImOut that part of me wanted them to succeed or at least do a really good job. I wanted to coach them, assist them help them. That's what I've been doing for 30+ years! I know they came to see me because they were ordered to, but there was love there. I know that's sappy but it's true. And I love them too. But I told them "NO". I told them that I don't want to be recovered I don't want to do the basics and please leave me alone. It's been a tough week for me.
Your turn spill.............

:omg: :omg: Wow!!! Good for you!! I am so proud of you for being soooo strong!!! I for one could not have coped with that at all. :no: You did really really well.

[Pixie]

:sparky:
I have no earthly idea.

Just dont forget the pain alanzo---although I know you are sitting there in your chair leaning back laughing your ass off at all the girls coming to the rescue to stop you from jumping again.

Yes, exactly!! He's pulling us off 'our' purpose of waking and shaking people up with our cute bods!! And he's laughing at our expense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Boldgirl]

Good girl, that's the kind of things we want to hear, now.. do you want to be the manager?

Normally I would say yes. But I really think you and sallydance ought to spearhead and run with it-more people in the core team will slow you down. But I do want to help somehow---as this develops it'll come to you all what help you need.
I had a blast in that thread today-I laughed so hard!!!

[Good twin]

:omg: :omg: Wow!!! Good for you!! I am so proud of you for being soooo strong!!! I for one could not have coped with that at all. :no: You did really really well.
Thank you Pixie. But you could have and you would have. It's what we have to do to get through it all the way.


The Sisterhood of the EXes!

[Pixie]

Normally I would say yes. But I really think you and sallydance ought to spearhead and run with it-more people in the core team will slow you down. But I do want to help somehow---as this develops it'll come to you all what help you need.
I had a blast in that thread today-I laughed so hard!!!

OK, yes, it was the best wasn't it? We're some cookies. :yes:

[Andrew]

Dear Alanzo,

It saddens me to read your posts. Unfortunately you've been given very bad advice here.

The sad truth of the matter is that there is no help for you. You're done for. Finished. Kaput-ski. It's all over.

Nothing to do now but disconnect your internet, apply for a dozen new credit cards and go see the CoS reg.

It was nice knowing you for this brief period.

:missyou:

[Pixie]

Thank you Pixie. But you could have and you would have. It's what we have to do to get through it all the way.


The Sisterhood of the EXes!


:happydance: Me.. :happydance: Sallydannce.. :happydance: You.. :happydance: Boldgirl..:coolwink: Escalus..

:D

[Good twin]

Dear Alanzo,

It saddens me to read your posts. Unfortunately you've been given very bad advice here.

The sad truth of the matter is that there is no help for you. You're done for. Finished. Kaput-ski. It's all over.

Nothing to do now but disconnect your internet, apply for a dozen new credit cards and go see the CoS reg.

It was nice knowing you for this brief period.

:missyou:

:omg:
:omg:
:bigcry:
:bigcry:

[Boldgirl]

Dear Alanzo,

It saddens me to read your posts. Unfortunately you've been given very bad advice here.

The sad truth of the matter is that there is no help for you. You're done for. Finished. Kaput-ski. It's all over.

Nothing to do now but disconnect your internet, apply for a dozen new credit cards and go see the CoS reg.

It was nice knowing you for this brief period.

:missyou:




:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

yeah, so long lonzo..... all is fair in love and war.....
:bigcry:

you'll be missed.

you're scn future is so bright I need sunglasses... :storm:

[Alanzo]

I've lost my sense of humor!

I looked everywhere...my shirt pockets, my pants, my underwear...

It's nowhere!!

[Good twin]

I've lost my sense of humor!

I looked everywhere...my shirt pockets, my pants, my underwear...

It's nowhere!!

I'm sorry Alanzo. Seriously though, tell me what happened. I want to help.

[Reasonable Lady]

Dear Alanzo,

It saddens me to read your posts. Unfortunately you've been given very bad advice here.

The sad truth of the matter is that there is no help for you. You're done for. Finished. Kaput-ski. It's all over.

Nothing to do now but disconnect your internet, apply for a dozen new credit cards and go see the CoS reg.

It was nice knowing you for this brief period.

:missyou:


Alanzo, You can't leave ESMB until you reach 10,000 posts! :roflmao: We're safe for a while.

RL

[Boldgirl]

I've lost my sense of humor!

I looked everywhere...my shirt pockets, my pants, my underwear...

It's nowhere!!


http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/mba/lowres/mban1303l.jpg

[Andrew]

I've lost my sense of humor!

I looked everywhere...my shirt pockets, my pants, my underwear...

It's nowhere!!

Perhaps if you looked for your "humour" instead of "humor"?

I hear it sometimes switches to alternate spellings just for lulz.

[Oneflewover]

You think you're PTS now??? Just see what happens if you take your critical thinking skills back inside with you.

You'd stick out like OSA would stick out here.

Maybe you could double agent it for a while until you got that coveted goldenrod. I could show you mine to inspire?

[Free to shine]

I really can't decide if you are joking or not Alanzo.
I know you have a wicked sense of humour, even if you say it's gone missing. :coolwink:

[Neo]

I've lost my sense of humor!

I looked everywhere...my shirt pockets, my pants, my underwear...

It's nowhere!!

Back of the couch, with the remotes.

[Div6]

Good god man, get a hold of your self!

I understand, maybe the counter-postulate(s) you had are no longer operative in this new unit of time, but really, as DSEC etc, how long do you really think you could last in that environment? With your integrity intact?

I think dis-connection is way out-gradient here. I suggest a more 'good roads, fair weather' approach. Talk about the Freewinds. How it just came out of drydock; how they must have "contained" the blue asbestos. Ask them if they are ready for GAT II, amd the new Mark VIII's. See if their Grade 0 release truly holds up...anyone, any subject.

You can do it....

[Andrew]

You could reverse the flow and Declare the CoS.

You could prepare your very own version of a Golden Rod. Next time someone comes knocking politely inform them that you can no longer accept communication from them as their organisation has been declared. You'll then need to give them the contact details of a third party (possibly a lawyer) who will be their sole point of contact to you until the CoS has gone through your very own version of A-E steps.

Think of the fun that could be had.

[Div6]

You could reverse the flow and Declare the CoS.

You could prepare your very own version of a Golden Rod. Next time someone comes knocking politely inform them that you can no longer accept communication from them as their organisation has been declared. You'll then need to give them the contact details of a third party (possibly a lawyer) who will be their sole point of contact to you until the CoS has gone through your very own version of A-E steps.

Think of the fun that could be had.

That's my current stance. You can even print off DM's declare:

http://www.english.freiescientologen.de/index.php?title=High_Crime_Report_and_SP-declare_on_on_David_Miscavige_by_Jon_Randall_McDon ald_on_7th_March_1996

[Good twin]

No guys. I don't think this is it. what Alanzo is saying, I think, (and I don't know if he is sincere or messing with us or what) is that he doesn't want to fight or criticize. He doesn't want to disagree with them. He doesn't want to prove them wrong. That doesn't necessarily mean he wants to go and sign up for service, but he's having a major shift here. He's identified himself as a critic and he's not feeling critical. I think that's it.......

[Andrew]

That's my current stance. You can even print off DM's declare:

http://www.english.freiescientologen.de/index.php?title=High_Crime_Report_and_SP-declare_on_on_David_Miscavige_by_Jon_Randall_McDon ald_on_7th_March_1996

I like it!

:thumbsup:

[Andrew]

No guys. I don't think this is it. what Alanzo is saying, I think, (and I don't know if he is sincere or messing with us or what) is that he doesn't want to fight or criticize. He doesn't want to disagree with them. He doesn't want to prove them wrong. That doesn't necessarily mean he wants to go and sign up for service, but he's having a major shift here. He's identified himself as a critic and he's not feeling critical. I think that's it.......

So you're saying he is critical of himself for not being critical?

[nozeno]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle him?


I sometimes have trouble figuring out what you are trying to say, especially recently (may be my problem), however, my guess is that I may be in agreement with your recent post above.

Having said that, I think you may be taking all this shit much too seriously. You need to step back and take a break and look through a different filter, or if you can, no filter at all. I admit I have been a joker and degrader in the past, but try and look through "fresh eyes" if you can.

This $cientology shit has had lots of serious consequences, as we know. As ex staff and ex public, some of us have had real injustice perpetrated upon us, (without pulling it in). However, I believe we have a tendency to look at this through a little hole in the fence. In the grand scheme of things, it has very little effect on the general population. I've asked people who have had limited exposure to $cientology what they think about it and my conclusion is that they couldn't care less. I have found that, for the most part, that if you ask what they think of $cientology, they will sort of cock their heads and say, huh? What's that?

PTS...... schmeTS, what does it matter? Speak English. If they are forcing people to have abortions. speak,up, if they are brainwashing people to work 90 hours a week for $35.00, speak up, if they are getting favorable tax treatment even though they are not a church or real religion, speak up, if they are forcing people to disconnect from their families, speak up, if they are promoting a "technology" or method that makes people feel or act worse as a consequence, speak up, all else is mental masturbation as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, I'm not saying that the entity identified as Alanzo has not spoken up about these things in the past.

[Reasonable Lady]

No guys. I don't think this is it. what Alanzo is saying, I think, (and I don't know if he is sincere or messing with us or what) is that he doesn't want to fight or criticize. He doesn't want to disagree with them. He doesn't want to prove them wrong. That doesn't necessarily mean he wants to go and sign up for service, but he's having a major shift here. He's identified himself as a critic and he's not feeling critical. I think that's it.......

Crtic 1. One who forms and expresses judgements of the merits and faults of anything. (Am. Heritage dictionary)
Maybe he found some merits in some friends. It is ok. We can differentiate between the church and friends.:D

RL

[Good twin]

So you're saying he is critical of himself for not being critical?

Yeah, something like that....

[Good twin]

Crtic 1. One who forms and expresses judgements of the merits and faults of anything. (Am. Heritage dictionary)
Maybe he found some merits in some friends. It is ok. We can differentiate between the church and friends.:D

RL

That's what I'm saying. Alanzo has been out of sorts lately. I hope he works things out. He has been very helpful to me. He is an important contributor here. An icon of sorts. I trust him to follow his heart.:yes:

[Feral]

OH GOD!

It is clear that I cannot leave this message board ever again.

I have the luxury of actually experiencing most of the services that the glossy flyers in the mail promote. There is no doubt that you have been missing out Alanzo. The gains you could have;

A return of black and white thinking, if it is out KSW it has to be hammered out of existence, no more infinite shades of gray for you!

The relief of not having to figure stuff out for yourself when you re-accept Ron as the 'source'

You could be unburdened of any goals you may be currently pursuing for the greatest good

Never having to wonder how to fill your time or how to spend weekends

Relief from that pesky cash that is probably lying around in the way

Plenty of people phoning you

A higher purpose than mere survival for yourself or family, you can forward the implementation of LRH policy to the whole WORLD!!

Having lots of events to go to

And lastly clapping to a very large photograph.

Just do it!!! You know you want to!!!

[Alanzo]

That's what I'm saying. Alanzo has been out of sorts lately. I hope he works things out. He has been very helpful to me. He is an important contributor here. An icon of sorts. I trust him to follow his heart.:yes:

I was just glancing down and admiring your post count.

I'm sorry, forgive me, but I couldn't help but notice that you are only 11 posts away from your own coronation of sorts.

[Boldgirl]

Alanzo,

Could it just be boredom? Bored of arguing, bored of defending, bored with the whole subject...?

Along with that, maybe you are just 'flat' on the whole thing. If so, that would make anyone feel they have lost their urge to defend or criticize.

Just a thought.

I have felt flat on certain things - like even my career after so long and frankly I am just bored with it....and from there I have lost passion for it or any feelings of fighting for it when it needs to be. Sometimes I just want to say....'WHATEVER'.

[Good twin]

I was just glancing down and admiring your post count.

I'm sorry, forgive me, but I couldn't help but notice that you are only 11 posts away from your own coronation of sorts.

Does that excite you?:eyeroll:

[gomorrhan]

My program, Alanzo, would be to do an L&N on those terminals, and then "what would A be willing to receive from B" (etc.) (and "what problem would A be willing for B to have" (etc), then prepcheck the terminals until they are flat, but ideally to the point where a major stable shift has occurred. Adopt policy which protects and supports your perspective into the future. Acknowledge internal conflicts, and recognize the intention which is coming into conflict with your current purposes. Ensure that this intention serves a purpose you continue to need it for, and then decide to end that intention and it's connected attitudes, if it doesn't. If it doesn't resolve, look for earlier similar conflicts of purpose, and review until a major stable shift occurs. Note the identities you are "wearing" while examining these conflicts. When grinding, prepcheck the identities after assessing them, and then check the question about other similar conflicts on all flows.

If that doesn't resolve it, you're fucked.

[everfree]

But they're telling me things and reminding me of what it's like to be a Scientologist. Sometimes it's really good, ya know?

Remember?

They seem to get a lot out of their religion. Like anyone else with a religion does.

There are good things somtimes, and people do get things out of it - sometimes.

That's why, though I'll never partake in such things myself again, I always defend the rights of Scnists to believe what they believe. I've known Scnists who have taken the best of what their beliefs have to offer and used those to guide themselves to what I - and they themselves - consider to be a good life without harming others, nor willingly allows to come to harm.

To me, that's all you can really ask for from anyone, and to me that should be encouraged in Scnists.

There are also extremely bad things that happen sometimes, which Scnists in general and CofS don't come even close to taking responsibility for. Those things also need to continue to be exposed for the sake of anyone who may be tempted to join them, and for those who are still in.

I'm curious, Alanzo, what "certainties I used to have as a critic" you are having doubts about? If it's not something you feel comfortable speaking about publicly, feel free to PM me.

[Zander]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle him?

Are you serious Alanzo? Or are you just playing devils advocate?

I think when you leave you tend to filter out of your memory any good experiences in scn as you focus on the reasons you left. This is perfectly natural as our opinions and views change.

Just remember that those sci's you are in contact with are presenting the comfortable face of scn. Yes, maybe they are having their "wins", yes maybe they feel great to be part of that wonderful group. BUT Alanzo you know that this is only a surface thing and you have seen what's behind the surface: the appalling treatment of staff, the enforced abortions, the money demands, the manipulation, the scams, the introversion etc.

You will also probably find that even current sci's supposedly having wins have their own upsets and blind spots which they are avoiding.

Those old friends probably don't even want to look at the internet, they don't want to find out what's going on in their own church. They simply will not believe anything which runs counter to their own beliefs, even in the face of damning evidence. Is that how you could ever be Alanzo? :)

Zander

[Div6]

DO IT MAGGOT!

Go back, do your lower conditions, publish your doubt formula, get your sec checks, route back on course, and then let us know if things have truly "reformed". Truly. Let us know. You can help us get rid of our "false data".

Just remember your post count will reset to 0. :D

[Dulloldfart]

Assuming you're serious and not just messing around....

What's the deal? Are you withholding from them your general position with regard to Scn? Are you endangering their Scn life by interacting with them and giving them uncomfortable ideas? We all know that long friendships don't last too much longer when one of the parties is in, the other is out, and communication is flowing fairly freely.

If you are truly trying to sort out your feelings, I'll give my general advice, which is to take off what charge you can from the general area using whatever means you have available, then take a fresh look at it.

Paul

[Cat's Squirrel]

Alanzo,

There ain't a helluva lot to worry about there.

There is no such thing as "PTS" outside of Scientology, and inside Scientology being connected to a Scientologist doesn't exactly count as such.

It just makes you PMS (Potential Money Source), that's all.

Amusing quote at the end, but the phenomenon known in Scn as PTS does exist even if it's not called as such in the outside world.

[asagai]

I've recently had contact with Scientologists and now I'm getting reasonable as a critic.

Not only have I been in communication with Bjorkist and Alex, but I also have a couple of old friends who I've been in contact with. One is on staff in an org. Another is raising a family of Scientologists.

I've had considerable communication with these two terminals and now I am saying things like "Scientology has only a relative danger" and "a warlike attitude makes you blind" and other enemy-line things like that.

I am connected with the enemies to Scn Critics and receiving all kinds of communication from them.

I know that it is a high crime to not report yourself if you are PTS.

So I'm reporting into ESMB and letting you know.

Alanzo has a PTS Type A sit in PT.

How do we handle him?

Naughty boy for implying ESMB is using Hubbard PTS/SP tech! :no:

Your course of action is simple Alanzo:

Go to the next anon picket, talk to them, find out more about why they are picketing the CofS. Tell them that there may be merits within the Scn technology and how any individual has the right to believe whatever they wish. Tell them you are worried they are hounding Scios, like Hitler hounded the Jews. See how the anons react.

Meanwhile talk to Bjorkist and Alex and your other Scn friends. Tell them about how you have seen through Ron's hypnotic, suggestive tricks and how you found out he lied to you about the money, etc and how you now know he was a wife-beating bigamist who ran black magic affirmations to make men his slaves and to handle his sexual problems. How you have realised he highjacked your spiritual goals to his own materialistic ambitions. See how the Scns react.

Now after having posed the critical points to both the anons and the CofS, you can decide. Do you stay on the anons side of the raod, or walk across back into the org? You can decide there and then, which side of the road! :eyeroll:

Or you can choose the middle way and stay in contact with both sides of the road, knowing both sides have some merits and that neither deserve your wholhearted support. Oh wait a minute, that's your current position isn't it?

You have lots of personal experience of talking with Scios, but no direct face to face personal experience of the anons.

Great, so all you do is communicate clearly to both "sides" of this false dualistic illusion. Maybe your communication hasn't been as clear as it could be? Maybe you are being somewhat disingenuous to your Scn frinds, not quite telling them that you think they are deluded suckers. And maybe you have not been entirely clear on ESMB as to the point you are trying to make?

So my dear friend, I say stop playing games with both sides. You and I both know that they are really not different "sides" at all, so just tell your truth clearly to all, rather than pushing buttons and teasing. :)

Your Middle-way viewpoint is a very valid one, but in my opinion you are not communicating it clearly.

[Terril park]

Okay Alanzo. I'm spillin now. Last Sunday I was toured. It was the second time I was toured. The first time I was toured by two OT committee members, This time it was the current Mission Holder and a former Mission Holder. I was a Mission Holder until less than two years ago. These guys showed up and I nearly fell apart. Was tellin ImOut that part of me wanted them to succeed or at least do a really good job. I wanted to coach them, assist them help them. That's what I've been doing for 30+ years! I know they came to see me because they were ordered to, but there was love there. I know that's sappy but it's true. And I love them too. But I told them "NO". I told them that I don't want to be recovered I don't want to do the basics and please leave me alone. It's been a tough week for me.
Your turn spill.............

A mission holder... wow!

We have heard from Alan and others about times in the great days before the mission takeover when SO only were allowed in by invitation. I don't believe anyone has posted about life in the missions in recent times. Would
be very interested to hear about that.

[Bea Kiddo]

Alanzo, go back to feeding your squirrel friends and cooking those awesome steaks.

Its a simple matter of the Matrix wall thinning. Take another pill. You will be fine.

Cook up a steak for me too. I'll be right over.

[Ladybird]

I really really really wish scientology was true. I think most people on earth want to do something to fix things and leave this world a little bit better off for their having been here.

I am sure there are worse scams and things in the world than scientology...in fact I know there are. Scientology just happens to be the one that came across my radar and the one I know most about. I am angry and pissed off that this cult is lying to people and taking advantage of people's good will and harming people while claiming to help.

Maybe a cult like scientology is only the tip of the iceberg of all the evil in the world.

We have start somewhere.

[Oneflewover]

I really really really wish scientology was true. I think most people on earth want to do something to fix things and leave this world a little bit better off for their having been here.

I am sure there are worse scams and things in the world than scientology...in fact I know there are. Scientology just happens to be the one that came across my radar and the one I know most about. I am angry and pissed off that this cult is lying to people and taking advantage of people's good will and harming people while claiming to help.

Maybe a cult like scientology is only the tip of the iceberg of all the evil in the world.

We have start somewhere.

I know what you mean. A lot of hopes and dreams were shattered when Scientology became what it did.

All I can say to that is that it's probably a mistake to let those hopes and dreams evaporate upon discovering the cultic nature of the beast.

There are lots of ways to continue with the pursuit of greater life and livingness for one and all, if that's ones desire.

The vast majority of people lured into Scientology were really good people with really good intentions. They are mostly still around, doing good works, in what ever way they now choose to do that.

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of broken, damaged souls with some issues to address. That too is understandable, and places like this board exist to put some safe space around them while they sort it out.

[Oneflewover]

On another note, I used to be very much infuriated by critics, like Alanzo.

But that was me, not the critics.

Critics perform an important role, even the ones running around with proverbial hand grenades and chain saws.

The CoS had to, and has to come down. It's a social virus at this point, and there is no hope for it. And most of LRH's work has to go with it.

His good work won't be lost with the flushing of his crap. The good stuff can be picked up and used with whatever is needed from other sources to make it work.

I personally believe we are simply at the egg breaking stage, on the way to a big delicious cake (tip of the hat to anonymous)

I watch anonymous work on Enturbulation.org and elsewhere, and I see where they misunderstand and jump to wrong conclusions. But I wouldn't have them change a thing about what they are doing.

Their work is much needed, and actually will short circuit the agony of the CoS' death throws.

I want to acknowledge Alanzo for his tireless work in breaking down scientologists mental barriers towards seeing what they've been immersed in, and refusing to look at.

Thanks, Alanzo. You provided my own personal tipping point, and I'll never forget it.

[asagai]

I really really really wish scientology was true. I think most people on earth want to do something to fix things and leave this world a little bit better off for their having been here.

I am sure there are worse scams and things in the world than scientology...in fact I know there are. Scientology just happens to be the one that came across my radar and the one I know most about. I am angry and pissed off that this cult is lying to people and taking advantage of people's good will and harming people while claiming to help.

Maybe a cult like scientology is only the tip of the iceberg of all the evil in the world.

We have start somewhere.


I know what you mean. A lot of hopes and dreams were shattered when Scientology became what it did.

All I can say to that is that it's probably a mistake to let those hopes and dreams evaporate upon discovering the cultic nature of the beast.

There are lots of ways to continue with the pursuit of greater life and livingness for one and all, if that's ones desire.

The vast majority of people lured into Scientology were really good people with really good intentions. They are mostly still around, doing good works, in what ever way they now choose to do that.

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of broken, damaged souls with some issues to address. That too is understandable, and places like this board exist to put some safe space around them while they sort it out.

We can learn from the cult-scam of scientology. We don't have to abandon our hopes and dreams. It was the cult that highjacked them, but you can reclaim them back! You really can! :thumbsup:

First, let the hurt you feel Scn caused you just be. Don't try to wish it away. Feel the hurt, eperience it and allow and accept it. This is the route to personal peace.

You will mend if you do this, PM me if you want any help.

Once you are personally fixed up you will feel whatever you feel about the abuse still being heaped on others. You may feel you want to do something about the cult, you may not. But if you want to do something about the abuse of others, you will be more effective if you are coming from a place of personal peace about what happened to you. :thumbsup:

I can't pretend that the urge to do something about the cult won't stir up things somewhat for you, but once you have learned how to accept your feelings, they won't stir you up too much and you can refresh yourself and continue your cult-busting activities. :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

[asagai]

On another note, I used to be very much infuriated by critics, like Alanzo.

But that was me, not the critics.

Critics perform an important role, even the ones running around with proverbial hand grenades and chain saws.

The CoS had to, and has to come down. It's a social virus at this point, and there is no hope for it. And most of LRH's work has to go with it.

His good work won't be lost with the flushing of his crap. The good stuff can be picked up and used with whatever is needed from other sources to make it work.

I personally believe we are simply at the egg breaking stage, on the way to a big delicious cake (tip of the hat to anonymous)

I watch anonymous work on Enturbulation.org and elsewhere, and I see where they misunderstand and jump to wrong conclusions. But I wouldn't have them change a thing about what they are doing.

Their work is much needed, and actually will short circuit the agony of the CoS' death throws.

I want to acknowledge Alanzo for his tireless work in breaking down scientologists mental barriers towards seeing what they've been immersed in, and refusing to look at.

Thanks, Alanzo. You provided my own personal tipping point, and I'll never forget it.

Well said OFO! :thumbsup:

Let's all group hug Alanzo! :grouphug:

[byte301]

Naughty boy for implying ESMB is using Hubbard PTS/SP tech! :no:

Your course of action is simple Alanzo:

Go to the next anon picket, talk to them, find out more about why they are picketing the CofS. Tell them that there may be merits within the Scn technology and how any individual has the right to believe whatever they wish. Tell them you are worried they are hounding Scios, like Hitler hounded the Jews. See how the anons react.

Meanwhile talk to Bjorkist and Alex and your other Scn friends. Tell them about how you have seen through Ron's hypnotic, suggestive tricks and how you found out he lied to you about the money, etc and how you now know he was a wife-beating bigamist who ran black magic affirmations to make men his slaves and to handle his sexual problems. How you have realised he highjacked your spiritual goals to his own materialistic ambitions. See how the Scns react.

Now after having posed the critical points to both the anons and the CofS, you can decide. Do you stay on the anons side of the raod, or walk across back into the org? You can decide there and then, which side of the road! :eyeroll:

Or you can choose the middle way and stay in contact with both sides of the road, knowing both sides have some merits and that neither deserve your wholhearted support. Oh wait a minute, that's your current position isn't it?

You have lots of personal experience of talking with Scios, but no direct face to face personal experience of the anons.

Great, so all you do is communicate clearly to both "sides" of this false dualistic illusion. Maybe your communication hasn't been as clear as it could be? Maybe you are being somewhat disingenuous to your Scn frinds, not quite telling them that you think they are deluded suckers. And maybe you have not been entirely clear on ESMB as to the point you are trying to make?

So my dear friend, I say stop playing games with both sides. You and I both know that they are really not different "sides" at all, so just tell your truth clearly to all, rather than pushing buttons and teasing. :)

Your Middle-way viewpoint is a very valid one, but in my opinion you are not communicating it clearly.

You nailed it.

[Pixie]

You nailed it.

Asagai ALWAYS nails it! Asagai is really, 'the ONE'! :yes:

[byte301]

Asagai ALWAYS nails it! Asagai is really, 'the ONE'! :yes:

Wait. I thought neo was "the one". Or maybe he's one of two? I'm confused.:confused2:

[Pixie]

Wait. I thought neo was "the one". Or maybe he's one of two? I'm confused.:confused2:

Well I must admit it was Alanzo that said it to me in the first place after only a few days on the board. He said it about Neo, and for sure, Neo is the 'one', but if we're talking about the 'one' of the 'one', in my opinion, it's definately Asagai. He's the most balanced sanest practical organized and objective person on this board and he works so hard against the cult too, not to mention that he genuinly cares about eveyone. I admire him greatly and would aspire to be like him in time.. :whistling: after maybe ten thousand more posts and .. a few more 'cuses'. :D

[FinallyMe]

I've been waiting to see what happens on this thread, waiting for some more indication of what's happening with you.. Alonzo, you have to be okay, you have to know you're okay now and you will be okay. I'm absolutely certain there are more than just me who want you to be okay. Tell us you're okay!!!!!


Patte

[Andrew]

I've been waiting to see what happens on this thread, waiting for some more indication of what's happening with you.. Alonzo, you have to be okay, you have to know you're okay now and you will be okay. I'm absolutely certain there are more than just me who want you to be okay. Tell us you're okay!!!!!


Patte

I've been waiting for the official "inform both side of your decision" declaration. :giggle:

What will the effective blow be?:punch:

[Alanzo]

I've been waiting to see what happens on this thread, waiting for some more indication of what's happening with you.. Alonzo, you have to be okay, you have to know you're okay now and you will be okay. I'm absolutely certain there are more than just me who want you to be okay. Tell us you're okay!!!!!


Patte

Yes, I'm very okay.

I'm a very lucky guy to have friends like you guys.

Thanks for being concerned.

[nexus100]

Yes, I'm very okay.

I'm a very lucky guy to have friends like you guys.

Thanks for being concerned.

Well, we are really concerned Alenso. You take care of yourself.

[Alanzo]

On another note, I used to be very much infuriated by critics, like Alanzo.

But that was me, not the critics.

Critics perform an important role, even the ones running around with proverbial hand grenades and chain saws.

The CoS had to, and has to come down. It's a social virus at this point, and there is no hope for it. And most of LRH's work has to go with it.

His good work won't be lost with the flushing of his crap. The good stuff can be picked up and used with whatever is needed from other sources to make it work.

I personally believe we are simply at the egg breaking stage, on the way to a big delicious cake (tip of the hat to anonymous)

I watch anonymous work on Enturbulation.org and elsewhere, and I see where they misunderstand and jump to wrong conclusions. But I wouldn't have them change a thing about what they are doing.

Their work is much needed, and actually will short circuit the agony of the CoS' death throws.

I want to acknowledge Alanzo for his tireless work in breaking down scientologists mental barriers towards seeing what they've been immersed in, and refusing to look at.

Thanks, Alanzo. You provided my own personal tipping point, and I'll never forget it.
Wow.

That's very nice to know. Makes me feel good to know that I was able to do something productive for someone else through typing.

Who would have thought that typing could be so beneficial?

Glad to see you here, OFO, and I'm looking forward to having you around.

[nexus100]

Wow.

That's very nice to know. Makes me feel good to know that I was able to do something productive for someone else through typing.

Who would have thought that typing could be so beneficial?

Glad to see you here, OFO, and I'm looking forward to having you around.

I guess you are back. That's great!

[Zander]

Alanzo, I'm curious to know how your thinking has changed, if it has.

You said that you have been in communication with 2 old friends who are still sci's and that this has influenced you in some way.

Do you now think, well perhaps scn is not all bad? Or is it that you think it is bad overall, but that maybe some people have good experiences with it?

I am asking because I too am in touch with some current sci's who apparently are doing ok with it. But I suspect there maybe some stuff beneath the surface which they are not telling.

But whatever their experience it does not change any of the facts we know about the cofs, of which they cannot be aware at all.

As I said before, maybe there is a "good side" but it is only a surface thing, and once you have looked deeper into it you cannot just pretend to see the surface alone.

Zander

[Alanzo]

I'm back for a quick pop-in and say-hi.

This thread was meant as an exercise in irony. I did not think that I would concern anyone with it, so I am sorry if I did.

I actually don't believe that there is such a thing as "PTS". Or "SP".

But anyway...

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time.

So I'm going to be de-emphasizing my on-line life for a while and re-emphasizing my off-line life.

Thanks, everybody, for being so supportive and nice to me.

See ya around.

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I'm back for a quick pop-in and say-hi.

This thread was meant as an exercise in irony. I did not think that I would concern anyone with it, so I am sorry if I did.

I actually don't believe that there is such a thing as "PTS". Or "SP".

But anyway...

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time.

So I'm going to be de-emphasizing my on-line life for a while and re-emphasizing my off-line life.

Thanks, everybody, for being so supportive and nice to me.

See ya around.

So does that mean we can all try to catch up to you number of posts?

If you don't believe in SP, why do you want your declare so badly?

[Alanzo]

Alanzo, I'm curious to know how your thinking has changed, if it has.

You said that you have been in communication with 2 old friends who are still sci's and that this has influenced you in some way.

Do you now think, well perhaps scn is not all bad? Or is it that you think it is bad overall, but that maybe some people have good experiences with it?

I am asking because I too am in touch with some current sci's who apparently are doing ok with it. But I suspect there maybe some stuff beneath the surface which they are not telling.

But whatever their experience it does not change any of the facts we know about the cofs, of which they cannot be aware at all.

As I said before, maybe there is a "good side" but it is only a surface thing, and once you have looked deeper into it you cannot just pretend to see the surface alone.

Zander

It's hard to express the truth on a message board.

Yes, I have changed, but only my position within a crowd on a message board. I am feeling less and less militant, and I am more and more uncomfortable with what you have to overlook in order to remain militant.

I'm going to concentrate on posting more to my blog, where I think I might be able to show the good and the bad in a much more devastating way.

Because, as The Destroyer of Worlds, I'm all about Devastation.

[Alanzo]

So does that mean we can all try to catch up to you number of posts?

If you don't believe in SP, why do you want your declare so badly?

Because I love irony.

And my declare on my wall, with instant track lighting and angel choruses whenever someone steps within range of the motion detectors, would just be so delicious.

And no - you can not try to catch up to my post count. You should realize that the closer you get to it, the more of an overt you will be committing. Pretty soon you will start to develop stomach aches, nausea, and chronic bronchitis.

If anyone gets too close, they might even catch pneumonia.

And then I'll just come back on and soar out ahead, anyway, so what use is it to go thru all that?

[sallydannce]

I'm back for a quick pop-in and say-hi.

This thread was meant as an exercise in irony. I did not think that I would concern anyone with it, so I am sorry if I did.

I actually don't believe that there is such a thing as "PTS". Or "SP".

But anyway...

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time...

From the heart here Alanzo - I will miss your wit, your thought-provoking posts and your energy on the board. Your quietness the past day or so had me feeling these things already. I want to say out loud here, many of your posts have stretched me, tested me. Frankly this is exactly what I need right now. Thank you!

Go well with the business stuff. But for God's sake please try & post here from time to time!

And as for the pending vacation...enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!

[Alanzo]

From the heart here Alanzo - I will miss your wit, your thought-provoking posts and your energy on the board. Your quietness the past day or so had me feeling these things already. I want to say out loud here, many of your posts have stretched me, tested me. Frankly this is exactly what I need right now. Thank you!

Go well with the business stuff. But for God's sake please try & post here from time to time!

And as for the pending vacation...enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!

Thanks, SD.

I'm a-gonna!

[Bea Kiddo]

Hey! What about my steak?

[Reasonable Lady]

Alanzo, try changing tactics for your declare. Write the church that you think issued or will issue the declare, mention the large sum of money that you are expecting (change from Starbucks,big bucks for a staff member, everything is relative), ask for any ethics orders concerning you that have been issued, mention the possibilty of A-E, be vague, let them dub in.:D Have fun!
Also have fun on your not too distant vacation.

RL

[sallydannce]

Because I love irony.

And my declare on my wall, with instant track lighting and angel choruses whenever someone steps within range of the motion detectors, would just be so delicious...

Oh my God THIS has got my creative juices going here. I'm thinkin' a dedicated room for my declare. Sort of set it up like those rooms they have in orgs for LRH - neatly roped off. I'm thinking royal blue velvet, gold trim. A glass cabinet displaying my clear bracelet (shit where have I put that thing), nicely lit. Or maybe flashing neons might work... One wall could have photos of people like Steve Hassan, Robert Lifton, Hervey Cleckley, et.al., Another wall could have photos of people like LRH, the bloke that started the Moonies - Rev. Sun Moon I think his name is, et. al. All nicely lit. They call glare at each other across the room. Music? Well that could change regularly depending on my mood! The possibilities are endless.

Home decorating was never this much fun!

[Free to shine]

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time.

So I'm going to be de-emphasizing my on-line life for a while and re-emphasizing my off-line life.

Thanks, everybody, for being so supportive and nice to me.

See ya around.
Have a good time, whatever you do! :)

[Reasonable Lady]

Oh my God THIS has got my creative juices going here. I'm thinkin' a dedicated room for my declare. Sort of set it up like those rooms they have in orgs for LRH - neatly roped off. I'm thinking royal blue velvet, gold trim. A glass cabinet displaying my clear bracelet (shit where have I put that thing), nicely lit. Or maybe flashing neons might work... One wall could have photos of people like Steve Hassan, Robert Lifton, Hervey Cleckley, et.al., Another wall could have photos of people like LRH, the bloke that started the Moonies - Rev. Sun Moon I think his name is, et. al. All nicely lit. They call glare at each other across the room. Music? Well that could change regularly depending on my mood! The possibilities are endless.

Home decorating was never this much fun!

Shouldn't the color scheme be black and goldenrod?:D

RL

[sallydannce]

Shouldn't the color scheme be black and goldenrod?:D

RL

You're technically correct but I'm taking full creative rights on this and currently royal blue is making my motor run smoothly. I'll probably incorporate some black & goldenrod coloured accessories to add a hint of authenticity:)

[byte301]

Hi Sally.:D

If your clear bracelet is gold...well gold prices are WAY up so you may want to consider scrapping it. :eyeroll:

[byte301]

Alanzo,

I hope you have a great vacation! Sometimes it's good to step away from the computer and just go out in the sunshine.

You'll be missed.:)

[sallydannce]

Hi Sally.:D

If your clear bracelet is gold...well gold prices are WAY up so you may want to consider scrapping it. :eyeroll:

Just typical of so much of my cult experience! Thought it was worth "gold" & turns out to be worth much much less. My clear bracelet is silver! :eyeroll:

[Cat's Squirrel]

Mine too, though I didn't buy it from the Church (it was a gift from the director of my freezone centre on attesting to Clear).

[anonmom]

I'm back for a quick pop-in and say-hi.

This thread was meant as an exercise in irony. I did not think that I would concern anyone with it, so I am sorry if I did.

I actually don't believe that there is such a thing as "PTS". Or "SP".

But anyway...

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time.

So I'm going to be de-emphasizing my on-line life for a while and re-emphasizing my off-line life.

Thanks, everybody, for being so supportive and nice to me.

See ya around.


Thank God you weren't falling for that PTS or SP crap! OK, sometimes I'm very gullable. Remember, scientologists really have almost no other life than to just forward scientology. We, in fact, do actually have lives! A long vacation sounds wonderful. Enjoy and have fun! :runaround: :beer: :mudkip:

[Pixie]

I'm back for a quick pop-in and say-hi.

This thread was meant as an exercise in irony. I did not think that I would concern anyone with it, so I am sorry if I did.

I actually don't believe that there is such a thing as "PTS". Or "SP".

But anyway...

I'll be around, but posting less in the next few weeks. I've got a chance to take a great vacation in a couple months and so, with my business, I have to bust my ass in order to be able to vacate for any decent length of time.

So I'm going to be de-emphasizing my on-line life for a while and re-emphasizing my off-line life.

Thanks, everybody, for being so supportive and nice to me.

See ya around.

I had a feeling you were kidding Alanzo however it didn't stop me from having an almost heart attack! I for one will miss you, I am nothing short of admiration for people who speak their own truth and are honest as the day is long whether they are 'right' or 'wrong'. You have been an inspiration to me and have made me laugh so much. Don't be away too long will you, but have a really really great time. Warmest.. Pixie.. :thumbsup:

[sallydannce]

Mine too, though I didn't buy it from the Church (it was a gift from the director of my freezone centre on attesting to Clear).

You missed one of the more enlightening reg cycles of all time.

The obligatory "you MUST spend your last few hundred dollars on this clear bracelet now you are all sparkly. You CAN'T go home without one! Maybe you'd like to donate for your OT bracelet while you're at it - really put it there for your OT levels." Ad infinitum!!!

[Reasonable Lady]

You're technically correct but I'm taking full creative rights on this and currently royal blue is making my motor run smoothly. I'll probably incorporate some black & goldenrod coloured accessories to add a hint of authenticity:)

Pics when it happens!:D

RL

[Zander]

You missed one of the more enlightening reg cycles of all time.

The obligatory "you MUST spend your last few hundred dollars on this clear bracelet now you are all sparkly. You CAN'T go home without one! Maybe you'd like to donate for your OT bracelet while you're at it - really put it there for your OT levels." Ad infinitum!!!

Oh that reminds me. I was regged for my clear bracelet before I had attested to 'clear' (whilst on ccrd)!

I guess the guy just wanted to get in quick before the competition arrived!

I just said no, no I really need to attest first, it just wouldn't be right. :duh:

Like what if I had ended up not attesting, would I have gotten the money back :no:

Zander

[Veda]

"Clear bracelets" - that had meaning for about a year, before OT 2 was released and described as "another bank."

Was Hubbard thumbing his nose at the then very popular (on TV, etc.) "first real Clear" John McMaster, by releasing what looked a lot like a Clearing Course part two? Even sharing the initial instructions, the "light in front and to the left," etc., and "spot the thetan" (yourself), which later on OT 2 became "spot the thetan" (ambiguously), and then "spot the thetan" (as an entity), etc.

And then came OT 3...

So, "Clear" lost its glamour quickly, as "Clears" were (post OT 3) being told "you are now in danger! and in the no interference zone!"

Talk about "PTS"...

[Cat's Squirrel]

You missed one of the more enlightening reg cycles of all time.

The obligatory "you MUST spend your last few hundred dollars on this clear bracelet now you are all sparkly. You CAN'T go home without one! Maybe you'd like to donate for your OT bracelet while you're at it - really put it there for your OT levels." Ad infinitum!!!

Yeah, I'm so sorry I missed that and had to spend my money on a good bottle of wine instead. :D

[FinallyMe]

Quoting Alanzo:

"I am feeling less and less militant, and I am more and more uncomfortable with what you have to overlook in order to remain militant."


This sentence hit a spot with me -- I hadn't realized that I was spending a lot of energy denying a few things about Scn that worked for me. The Student Hat with word clearing, itself, may have been garbage, but the practice of understanding EVERY blamed word resulted in me ultimately becoming a top-notch litigation paralegal, because I can read EXACTLY what is written, and only exactly what is written. When I read your sentence, I felt an almost physical "pop" of letting go of the effort to push the success away.

You BE SURE to come on back - after having a wonderful time!

Patte

[Veda]

Quoting Alanzo:

"I am feeling less and less militant, and I am more and more uncomfortable with what you have to overlook in order to remain militant."


This sentence hit a spot with me -- I hadn't realized that I was spending a lot of energy denying a few things about Scn that worked for me. The Student Hat with word clearing, itself, may have been garbage, but the practice of understanding EVERY blamed word resulted in me ultimately becoming a top-notch litigation paralegal, because I can read EXACTLY what is written, and only exactly what is written. When I read your sentence, I felt an almost physical "pop" of letting go of the effort to push the success away.

You BE SURE to come on back - after having a wonderful time!

Patte

Scientology is a multi-layered subject and operation, with (simply put) the "good stuff" wrapped around (and disguising) the not-so-good stuff.

There seems to be something about the human mind, human nature, the nature of the universe, or the human nervous system, that prevents perception of both aspects.

One can be "militant" about the destructive aspects while also recognizes the positives - positives used, mainly, as "window dressing," but positives nonetheless.

Scientology IMO, per its founder's design, is a deceptive and abusive cult. That doesn't change because some positive things are part of its outer coating.

The Scientological Onion:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=37634&postcount=2

[Zander]

Scientology is a multi-layered subject and operation, with (simply put) the "good stuff" wrapped around (and disguising) the not-so-good stuff.

There seems to be something about the human mind, human nature, the nature of the universe, or the human nervous system, that prevents perception of both aspects.

One can be "militant" about the destructive aspects while also recognizes the positives - positives used, mainly, as "window dressing," but positives nonetheless.

Scientology IMO, per its founder's design, is a deceptive and abusive cult. That doesn't change because some positive things are part of its outer coating.

The Scientological Onion:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=37634&postcount=2


Good post, that was really well put Veda. :thumbsup:

Zander

[Axiom142]

My God!

Can’t you all see it? Alanzo has been turned! :omg:

He’s testing the water, to see how we will react. Poor guy, he cares so much about us, he wants to let us down gently. :bigcry:

He has been dropping hints for days now. When we didn’t notice, he just came out and said this:


16 years, and 8 as a critic.

I'm having doubts about certainties I used to have as a critic.

I'm moody.

I thought he was joking, but it was a cry for help!

And, when asked to explain why he is always moaning about not getting a goldenrod, he says this:


Because I love irony.

And my declare on my wall, with instant track lighting and angel choruses whenever someone steps within range of the motion detectors, would just be so delicious.

…….


It’s obvious – he wants to get declared, so he can start on his A – E!

We need to organise a rescue mission right away. :medical:

A comrade needs our help. Who’s in?

Axiom142

[FinallyMe]

Certainly count me in. I think the first thing we need to do is find out where he's going for vacation, and all join him there. Especially if it's Hawaii or the Bavarian Alps or something like that!


Patte

[Knox Harrington]

I talk to Scientologists all the time. Just don't argue with them about Scientology:duh: They obviously know you've left, but do they know how you really feel? Or that you have 8 zillion posts on exscmb? It's gotta be at least a little awkward if they do, but I think you can b/c nice, gentle cause over them.