Scientology child abuse expose

[johnAnchovie]

Check this out Aussies!

http://forums.enturbulation.org/15-media/today-tonight-aus-expose-scn-child-labour-locally-7-july-21162/

[sallydannce]

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks so much for posting johnAnchovie.

Roll on Monday! Yee Haa!!!! :happydance: :happydance:

[Emma]

Hmmmm.....I wonder who pointed them in that direction?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

[Pixie]

Hmmmm.....I wonder who pointed them in that direction?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

Indeed, I wonder who?? :whistling: :whistling: Well whoever it was, deserves a huge medal. :yes:

This is excellent news, the real truth is finally getting into the mainstream media.

Thank you to that person for pointing them in the right direction.. from my heart.. :bighug:

[Neo]

Hmmmm.....I wonder who pointed them in that direction?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

:lol:

[sallydannce]

Hmmmm.....I wonder who pointed them in that direction?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

I've been meaning to send you a huge bunch of flowers, now would seem like the perfect time to act on that.


:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[Emma]

And I wonder who the brave souls were who got interviewed?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

[sallydannce]

And I wonder who was the brave soul who was interviewed?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

:rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :rose: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Neo]

And I wonder who was the brave soul who was interviewed?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

Shall we tell em?
:)

[sallydannce]

And I wonder who was the brave soul who was interviewed?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

:bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Neo]

I can out myself, as they've (OSA) already worked out who did this interview - a week and a half ago I did an interview with Today Tonight on Channel 7 Australia. I have been sitting on this until now, so as not to prevent it's being shown. It needs to be shown. Now it's official, I can say something about this. I had an on camera interview (face blocked out and voice masked), and helped identify whos who on the footage they took.

In total I did two interviews, and have been in liaison with the journalist on and off for the past week. The church knows about this - they had the right of reply - but all they did was attack my reputation, and the journalist too. They didn't attack the data, as it is the truth.

:)

[sallydannce]

I can out myself, as they've (OSA) already worked out who did this interview - a week and a half ago I did an interview with Today Tonight on Channel 7 Australia. I have been sitting on this until now, so as not to prevent it's being shown. It needs to be shown. Now it's official, I can say something about this. I had an on camera interview (face blocked out and voice masked), and helped identify whos who on the footage they took.

In total I did two interviews, and have been in liaison with the journalist on and off for the past week. The church knows about this - they had the right of reply - but all they did was attack my reputation, and the journalist too. They didn't attack the data, as it is the truth.

:)

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

They attacked your reputation?? And the reputation of the journalist? That's an original strategy for the cult of scientology. Not!

[Emma]

I can out myself, as they've (OSA) already worked out who did this interview - a week and a half ago I did an interview with Today Tonight on Channel 7 Australia. I have been sitting on this until now, so as not to prevent it's being shown. It needs to be shown. Now it's official, I can say something about this. I had an on camera interview (face blocked out and voice masked), and helped identify whos who on the footage they took.

In total I did two interviews, and have been in liaison with the journalist on and off for the past week. The church knows about this - they had the right of reply - but all they did was attack my reputation, and the journalist too. They didn't attack the data, as it is the truth.

:)

You rock Neo. Seriously. And David Graham too.

Maybe we should tell them the whole story or wait till it airs?

[Pixie]

And I wonder who the brave souls were who got interviewed?

:whistling: :whistling: :whistling:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Wow!! Very brave souls, yes, I do wonder now who these could be.. :whistling: :whistling:

[DartSmohen]

You rock Neo. Seriously. And David Graham too.

Maybe we should tell them the whole story or wait till it airs?

Let it out, Emma, you are bursting to tell. :yes: :yes: :yes:

[Pixie]

I can out myself, as they've (OSA) already worked out who did this interview - a week and a half ago I did an interview with Today Tonight on Channel 7 Australia. I have been sitting on this until now, so as not to prevent it's being shown. It needs to be shown. Now it's official, I can say something about this. I had an on camera interview (face blocked out and voice masked), and helped identify whos who on the footage they took.

In total I did two interviews, and have been in liaison with the journalist on and off for the past week. The church knows about this - they had the right of reply - but all they did was attack my reputation, and the journalist too. They didn't attack the data, as it is the truth.

:)

:omg: :omg: Neo!!!! It was YOU!!! :omg: :omg: Oh wow!! What can I say, I am in awe, well done, see, I always said, 'Neo is the ONE'.. :clap: :clap:

You're a brave soldier Neo, this is fantastic stuff, excellent. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I thought it was Emma the way she said she wondered who it was. :duh:

Neo, you ROCK!! :bighug:

[Neo]

:omg: :omg: Neo!!!! It was YOU!!! :omg: :omg: Oh wow!! What can I say, I am in awe, well done, see, I always said, 'Neo is the ONE'.. :clap: :clap:

You're a brave soldier Neo, this is fantastic stuff, excellent. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I thought it was Emma the way she said she wondered who it was. :duh:

Neo, you ROCK!! :bighug:

Emma is my mentor. :)

David Graham was also interviewed for this..

[Good twin]

Way to go!


:woohoo: :party: :party: :woohoo:
:heartflower: :grouphug: :heartflower:
:grouphug:

[Pixie]

Emma is my mentor. :)

David Graham was also interviewed for this..

Well that's great Neo, and well done to David too!! :clap: :clap: Now.. 'mentor' you say.. :whistling: :whistling: ok Neo.. :whistling:

:D

[Emma]

I'm sure Neo can tell you all about his part in this, and I hope he does, meanwhile I'll tell you about how it happened.

Some time ago there was a post in the guestbook from an unregistered person who made reference to some children on full time staff at Melbourne Org. I asked that person to contact me privately and he did. :happydance:

I was absolutely horrified to find out that these kids were the kids who I'd babysat, had living in my house, and even been to the birth of one of them. The mother of one of those kids was my matron of honour at my wedding.

These kids are babies, just a year or two older than my own daughter who is 11. So once I had some firm information I contacted Bryan and got the ball rolling. I gave him all the info I had and he decided to run with it. We've been in contact many times over the course of the last few months as this has all been coming together. I put Neo in touch with Bryan but never dreamed he would have the guts to be interviewed on camera. You have balls of steel my friend.

When Bryan called me last night I was amazed to find out that Neo had been interviewed. I knew he was going to interview David Graham but had no idea that Neo had done this.

I'm so delighted that Bryan Seymour has taken such an interest in exposing the abuses of Scientology.

There is more as well.....you won't BELIEVE what going to air Tuesday night!!!!!

[Good twin]

Oh pretty Pleeeze tell us more......

[Neo]

In late February or early March this year I happened upon this web site, after following links from other anti-scio websites. I read a thread about the employment of children at Flag. I made a post in the guestbook about children being employed at the Melbourne org. How did I know this? Because I was still on staff at the time. I was unhappy with the local scene, but was only starting to see how far the troubles actually spread in the land of scientology. This forum was an eye opener.

Emma and I have been in touch on the issue of the abuse of children in scientology, especially the local org in melbourne. I have PT data, so I was in a position to do something about it.

About two weeks ago Emma put me in touch with a journalist who has done other anti-scientology stories for australian tv. I met him, and agreed to do an on camera interview. I let him know where to get the footage of the children. Then I helped identify them.

It's been an interesting experience. The journalist contacted the church yesterday - they accused me of stealing documents from Treasury, and of being unstable, LOL. They went very quiet when asked about the children signing contracts - then said 'well those contracts don't mean anything anyway!'

I believe this will make a big difference.

[Good twin]

In late February or March this year I happened upon this web site, after following links from other anti-scio websites. I read a thread about the employment of children at Flag. I made a post in the guestbook about children being employed at the Melbourne org. How did I know this? Because I was still on staff at the time. I was unhappy with the local scene, but was only starting to see how far the troubles actually spread in the land of scientology. This forum was an eye opener.

Emma and I have been in touch on the issue of the abuse of children in scientology, especially the local org in melbourne. I have PT data, so I was in a position to do something about it.

About two weeks ago Emma put me in touch with a journalist who has done other anti-scientology stories for australian tv. I met him, and agreed to do an on camera interview. I let him know where to get the footage of the children. Then I helped identify them.

It's been an interesting experience. The journalist contacted the church yesterday - they accused me of stealing documents from Treasury, and of being unstable, LOL. They went very quiet when asked about the children signing contacts - then said 'well those contracts don't mean anything anyway!'

I believe this will make a big difference.

:omg: WOW! No wonder they tried to ruin your reputation. Well Neo, your reputation is GOLD here! You truly are "The One"!!!!!!!:yes:

[Pixie]

My god this is truly incredible!! I'm getting goosebumps all over my body, I have a feeling this is the start of a huge ball beginning to roll. This is absolutely fantastic new!! :yes:

[Neo]

My god this is truly incredible!! I'm getting goosebumps all over my body, I have a feeling this is the start of a huge ball beginning to roll. This is absolutely fantastic new!! :yes:

Yes it is Pixie, and it is only the beginning :whistling:

[Pixie]

In late February or March this year I happened upon this web site, after following links from other anti-scio websites. I read a thread about the employment of children at Flag. I made a post in the guestbook about children being employed at the Melbourne org. How did I know this? Because I was still on staff at the time. I was unhappy with the local scene, but was only starting to see how far the troubles actually spread in the land of scientology. This forum was an eye opener.

Emma and I have been in touch on the issue of the abuse of children in scientology, especially the local org in melbourne. I have PT data, so I was in a position to do something about it.

About two weeks ago Emma put me in touch with a journalist who has done other anti-scientology stories for australian tv. I met him, and agreed to do an on camera interview. I let him know where to get the footage of the children. Then I helped identify them.

It's been an interesting experience. The journalist contacted the church yesterday - they accused me of stealing documents from Treasury, and of being unstable, LOL. They went very quiet when asked about the children signing contacts - then said 'well those contracts don't mean anything anyway!'

I believe this will make a big difference.

Neo we are changing your name from 'the one' to 'braveheart'! Never mind what the cult say, we all know what they're like with their lies, cover ups and bullcrap. Goodtwin is right, you are pure gold here, and yes Neo, this is going to make a HUGE difference!! :thumbsup:

[sallydannce]

Emma & Neo you are both amazing!!!!! Wow!

[Pixie]

Yes it is Pixie, and it is only the beginning :whistling:

Oh god.. I'm sooooo excited!! :woohoo: :sing:

[Emma]

Yes it is Pixie, and it is only the beginning :whistling:

Ooooh yeahhhh....Wait till the fallout hits.

Bryan & Neo have been very thorough in this, contacting the "right" gov't officials etc.

This could get very ugly for them. And so it should. Reducing a child to an uneducated slave, trapped in a cult, in my home town. No fucking way.:angry:

[Lulu Belle]

Emma,

I have to say once again that your board has created a tremendous effect in many areas to many people.

I believe Anonymous would not be as successful as it is without you and without ESMB.

This media regarding children in Scientology would never have occurred without you.

You have created more effects than you could ever imagine.

You truly ROCK. :thumbsup:

[sallydannce]

Yeah my excitement level has just got off the scale completely. I'm just a blissful heap of goose-bumps.

[Pixie]

Ooooh yeahhhh....Wait till the fallout hits.

Bryan & Neo have been very thorough in this, contacting the "right" gov't officials etc.

This could get very ugly for them. And so it should. Reducing a child to an uneducated slave, trapped in a cult, in my home town. No fucking way.:angry:

I cannot wait! Might have known it would start in Aus, there does appear to be a fair and balanced sense of fair play from that part of the world.. this is the best news ever.. :happydance: :happydance: Of course you'll all keep us informed and updated yes.. :clap: :thumbsup:

[sallydannce]

Could it be ladies and gentlemen that Melbourne is going to repeat history? Bring it on!

[Pixie]

Yeah my excitement level has just got off the scale completely. I'm just a blissful heap of goose-bumps.

Yes, I have goosebumps too Sallydannce!! This MUST be a sign.. has to be.. never had them like this before!!

[Good twin]

Yes, I have goosebumps too Sallydannce!! This MUST be a sign.. has to be.. never had them like this before!!

Funny Pixie, I have goosebumps too, and it's 98 degrees here!:yes:

[Neo]

Could it be ladies and gentlemen that Melbourne is going to repeat history? Bring it on!

It will if I have anything to do with it.

Yes, we will keep you all informed, as appropriate.

So...have I created an effect, LOL.
:p

[Pixie]

Funny Pixie, I have goosebumps too, and it's 98 degrees here!:yes:

:laugh: Yeah, strange that, it's baking here too and I STILL have them!! :woohoo:

[Neo]

It was anonymous that helped open my eyes to the reality of what the cult was really like. I was in the cult, but had no real idea of what it was I was a part of.

I was on part time staff duties due to a health situation, and found myself less under the cults control of my thoughts and behaviour. As part of studying up on what had happened to me health wise, I inadvertently re-awoken my critical thinking abilities, LOL, as I was reading a lot of data, much of it conflicting, and having to make sense of it all.

As a result of this, I found myself looking at my life in scientology a little differently. This was late last year, and early this year. I went through the usual route out - see out points, question those around you, question management, still love the tech, then realise the horrible truth - LRH was not who he said he was.

Then I could look at everything anew - and I did not like what I saw. I was in a cult, I had put myself there, and I no longer wanted to participate. So I left (not quite that simply, but I think you get the gist).

But I can't turn a blind eye to child abuse. Responsibility works both ways. The church IS responsible for these abuses. And I am responsible for my silence, should I have remained so. I can take responsibility, can they?

It has crossed my mind that they could fight back. But I learnt something very valuable in my awakening to the reality of what I had gotten myself involved with in the cult. In my life I have confronted death 4 times (that is nearly died - and should have, but didn't). To me this is confrontable. Death of the body (and I'm NOT saying this will happen - just making a point) is far more confrontable than death of purpose. This was my experience in the cult. When I woke up to this fact, I took back my purpose and left.

No body - well it presents its problems, sure - but no purpose - this still sends shivers through me. To me, this is the anatomy of a trap - and is how the cult operates.

So, let the children live their own lives, and make their own choices, and contribute to the world according to their own purposes.

[Good twin]

It was anonymous that helped open my eyes to the reality of what the cult was really like. I was in the cult, but had no real idea of what it was I was a part of.

I was on part time staff duties due to a health situation, and found myself less under the cults control of my thoughts and behaviour. As part of studying up on what had happened to me health wise, I inadvertently re-awoken my critical thinking abilities, LOL, as I was reading a lot of data, much of it conflicting, and having to make sense of it all.

As a result of this, I found myself looking at my life in scientology a little differently. This was late last year, and early this year. I went through the usual route out - see out points, question those around you, question management, still love the tech, then realise the horrible truth - LRH was not who he said he was.

Then I could look at everything anew - and I did not like what I saw. I was in a cult, I had put myself there, and I no longer wanted to participate. So I left (not quite that simply, but I think you get the gist).

But I can't turn a blind eye to child abuse. Responsibility works both ways. The church IS responsible for these abuses. And I am responsible for my silence, should I have remained so. I can take responsibility, can they?

It has crossed my mind that they could fight back. But I learnt something very valuable in my awakening to the reality of what I had gotten myself involved with in the cult. In my life I have confronted death 4 times (that is nearly died - and should have, but didn't). To me this is confrontable. Death of the body (and I'm NOT saying this will happen - just making a point) is far more confrontable than death of purpose. This was my experience in the cult. When I woke up to this fact, I took back my purpose and left.

No body - well it presents its problems, sure - but no purpose - this still sends shivers through me. To me, this is the anatomy of a trap - and is how the cult operates.

So, let the children live their own lives, and make their own choices, and contribute to the world according to their own purposes.

:bigcry: Yes Neo, crossing the line to the outside really does help us find out who we really are! You are the one.:yes:

[sallydannce]

It was anonymous that helped open my eyes to the reality of what the cult was really like. I was in the cult, but had no real idea of what it was I was a part of.

I was on part time staff duties due to a health situation, and found myself less under the cults control of my thoughts and behaviour. As part of studying up on what had happened to me health wise, I inadvertently re-awoken my critical thinking abilities, LOL, as I was reading a lot of data, much of it conflicting, and having to make sense of it all.

As a result of this, I found myself looking at my life in scientology a little differently. This was late last year, and early this year. I went through the usual route out - see out points, question those around you, question management, still love the tech, then realise the horrible truth - LRH was not who he said he was.

Then I could look at everything anew - and I did not like what I saw. I was in a cult, I had put myself there, and I no longer wanted to participate. So I left (not quite that simply, but I think you get the gist).

But I can't turn a blind eye to child abuse. Responsibility works both ways. The church IS responsible for these abuses. And I am responsible for my silence, should I have remained so. I can take responsibility, can they?

It has crossed my mind that they could fight back. But I learnt something very valuable in my awakening to the reality of what I had gotten myself involved with in the cult. In my life I have confronted death 4 times (that is nearly died - and should have, but didn't). To me this is confrontable. Death of the body (and I'm NOT saying this will happen - just making a point) is far more confrontable than death of purpose. This was my experience in the cult. When I woke up to this fact, I took back my purpose and left.

No body - well it presents its problems, sure - but no purpose - this still sends shivers through me. To me, this is the anatomy of a trap - and is how the cult operates.

So, let the children live their own lives, and make their own choices, and contribute to the world according to their own purposes.

I am so proud to "meet" you. You make the world a much much better place! No matter what happens from here on Neo, I want you to know you have my love & support. May the children always be allowed make their own choices. Let them always live their lives according to their own purposes. That is freedom! Oh yes, yes, yes.

Your word, your actions, they are so pure. Thank you Neo. :)

[Emma]

It will if I have anything to do with it.

Yes, we will keep you all informed, as appropriate.

So...have I created an effect, LOL.
:p

You sure have!

I owe you another dinner. :cheers:

[Neo]

You sure have!

I owe you another dinner. :cheers:

with caek?
:p

[Free to shine]

Emma,

I have to say once again that your board has created a tremendous effect in many areas to many people.

I believe Anonymous would not be as successful as it is without you and without ESMB.

This media regarding children in Scientology would never have occurred without you.

You have created more effects than you could ever imagine.

You truly ROCK. :thumbsup:

I second that! :thumbsup: :clap:

As someone who joined staff at 14, I lived through the loss of teenagehood, learning and a normal life. On behalf of the many others in this position, my hat's off to you both.

Neo should have Braveheart under his name. Emma...well, there's things happening in this world in a big way because of you. I guess you have to stay "Administrator" though. You both have my respect and gratitude.

Can't wait for the show. :happydance:

[Emma]

with caek?
:p

Of course with caek! As much caek as you can eat!

What do you fancy....a chocolate cake with rich frosting? a sticky date pudding with cream? a light, fruity sponge?

You name it, you got it. :thumbsup:

[Neo]

Of course with caek! As much caek as you can eat!

What do you fancy....a chocolate cake with rich frosting? a sticky date pudding with cream? a light, fruity sponge?

You name it, you got it. :thumbsup:

chocolate sounds good to me :drool:

:cake:

[Emma]

So what are your supposed crimes? What did you supposedly steal from Treasury?

This ought to be good.:eyeroll:

[outtech]

Wow, nice going guys. It sounds like it's going to be one hell of an expose.

[Neo]

So what are your supposed crimes? What did you supposedly steal from Treasury?

This ought to be good.:eyeroll:

Well lets see - Treasury consisted of 1 x 10 year old computer that crashed several times a day. 2 large old wooden desks. Some filing cabinets full of paperwork in NO particular order. And everybodys coats, shredding material, and rubbish. Nothing of value, clearly.

I did take me out of Treasury. Maybe thats what they meant.
:p

[Div6]

Well lets see - Treasury consisted of 1 x 10 year old computer that crashed several times a day. 2 large old wooden desks. Some filing cabinets full of paperwork in NO particular order. And everybodys coats, shredding material, and rubbish. Nothing of value, clearly.

I did take me out of Treasury. Maybe thats what they meant.
:p

Is it enough to start a libel suit against them?

[Emma]

Well lets see - Treasury consisted of 1 x 10 year old computer that crashed several times a day. 2 large old wooden desks. Some filing cabinets full of paperwork in NO particular order. And everybodys coats, shredding material, and rubbish. Nothing of value, clearly.

I did take me out of Treasury. Maybe thats what they meant.
:p

Maybe...I mean you did get your soul back, and maybe you found it in the treasury office. They would consider "that" a theft.

[Emma]

Emma,

I have to say once again that your board has created a tremendous effect in many areas to many people.

I believe Anonymous would not be as successful as it is without you and without ESMB.

This media regarding children in Scientology would never have occurred without you.

You have created more effects than you could ever imagine.

You truly ROCK. :thumbsup:


I second that! :thumbsup: :clap:

As someone who joined staff at 14, I lived through the loss of teenagehood, learning and a normal life. On behalf of the many others in this position, my hat's off to you both.

Neo should have Braveheart under his name. Emma...well, there's things happening in this world in a big way because of you. I guess you have to stay "Administrator" though. You both have my respect and gratitude.

Can't wait for the show. :happydance:

Thanks ladies...:blush:

But really Neo & David are the stars this day.

[Free to shine]

Oh yes, sorry - Yay David! :happydance: :clap: :clap:

[Free to shine]

Here's the teaser: (Thanks Alert on OCMB)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxTOmHuC4Ws

[sallydannce]

This calls for a group hug.

For all the ex-scientologists in the world.


:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[Neo]

I am so proud to "meet" you. You make the world a much much better place! No matter what happens from here on Neo, I want you to know you have my love & support. May the children always be allowed make their own choices. Let them always live their lives according to their own purposes. That is freedom! Oh yes, yes, yes.

Your word, your actions, they are so pure. Thank you Neo. :)

sallydannce, thank you. I did what I did mostly due to the support of this group.
I appreciate everyones kind words :)

My viewpoint on this - we all have different things we can do to make a difference. This is what I could do. One thing that eats away at me is the feeling that I have let others down. The Co$ exploited this. To not do something here would have eaten away at me, more so that upsetting the Co$ with this expose. So I did what I could do, and in hindsight, I am glad that I did.

Reading the stories here has shown me just how long the Co$ has been exploiting and manipulating people for. It is heart breaking.

Before I had heard of the Church of Scientology, before I had even read Dianetics, I had the belief that 'people matter'. And that children are gods we adults haven't yet corrupted into being human. I lost those beliefs for a little while. Now I am taking them back.

Stay tuned.
:)

[byte301]

Neo, David and Emma,

I just want to thank you all very much. The child abuse issue has been very frustrating to me along with the RPF horrors. I sometimes just want to fly to LA and storm the Bastille. To think of any kid any where slaving in an org just infuriates me. That parents would allow this to happen is beyond the pale.

Words cannot express what this means to so many people. I hope Davey and his minions are having a nervous breakdown right about now, I really do.

Thank you from the bottom of my thawing heart.

[Ladybird]

My faith in humanity has been restored! Thank you thank you thank you!!!!

[Boldgirl]

But I can't turn a blind eye to child abuse. Responsibility works both ways. The church IS responsible for these abuses.

So, let the children live their own lives, and make their own choices, and contribute to the world according to their own purposes.

Of all the horror of the c of s, this always bothered me the worst once I learned what really went on and then left scn for good as a public. I wanted to bust in and rescue them all, but especially the kids and teens, give them a leg up, take them in and help them make it in life.

I am not sure how to properly thank you for doing that interview and helping those kids....this is nothing short of a major contribution in life, one that many of us can only hope to be part of in life. Emma too...really.

I too am so excited and I wasnt even in the SO. It was painful to watch the ex scn kids videos and hear all that goes and went on. I wanted to cry listening to what the cult robbed them of.

You both have brought the catalyst for some major changes for those that cannot fight for themselves, the kids.

wow.....just wow.....

oh...see there...there they go, someone set them free ...! :fly2: :fly2: :fly2: :fly2: :fly2:


oh...and there goes the cult.....:sparky:

[Ladybird]

I have been an "official" foster parent for 5 years, but have also taken in many kids, young adults and others escaping from abusive situations...I have heard so many heartbreaking stories, I am also an ER RN.

Scientology makes me puke. Scientology is soul rape, personality rape, spiritual rape, mind rape and physical rape. Scientology needs to be prosecuted and not allowed to hide behind "religious" protections.

There are so many stories of child abuse in the cult of scientology that were hushed up.

The statute of limitations needs to be waived for those who were sexually and otherwise abused by cults and cultists. People as damaged and threatened by cults like scientology are not likely to speak out within 2 years.


[Extract from "Information Disease: Have Cults created a New Mental
Illness?" by Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman. Science Digest January 1982
pp86-92]


"A very effective thought control technique could also be worked out from
Scientology, which could be used to make individuals into willing slaves."
-L Ron Hubbard


[description of the authors' research into the long term effects of
involvement with various cults]


Two groups in particular showed signs of inflicting the most
severe physical, mental and emotional harm on their members: the Hare
Krishna and the Church of Scientology. Among all groups, Krishna and
Scientology tied with the Unification Church in reports of physical
deprivation. Their members reported getting the least sleep per night and
having the most deficient daily diet.
...
The rituals of the Church of Scientology bear little resemblance
to those of any other cult. With its extensive program of "training
regimens" and expensive "auditing" counseling, Scientology operates
successfully as both religion and mass-marketed therapy. According to
those who responded to our survey, however, Scientology's may be the most
debilitating set of rituals of any cult in America. Onetime Scientologists
who answered our questionnaire reported that it took them, on the average,
more than two years (26 months) before they felt fully rehabilitated- more
than *twice* the time of those from other major cults [Hare Krishna: 11.1
months, Divine Light Mission: 12.3 months].


Moreover, former Scientologists surpassed all others in reported
incidents of physical punishment while in the group (35 percent) and, upon
departure, they claimed the highest rates of sexual dysfunction (22
percent), violent outbursts (28 percent) [average is 14 percent],
hallucinations and delusions (28 percent) [average is also 14 percent] and
suicidal or self-destructive tendencies (44 percent) [average is 21%]. On
average, former Scientologists surveyed reported more than *twice* the
combined negative effects of all the other cult groups.


Ironically, although claiming the most severe long-term effects,
former Scientologists surveyed reported the *lowest* total of hours
per week spent in ritual and indoctrination. This apparent discrepancy
seems to support opinions we have expressed earlier that, in combination,
Scientology's training regimens and "auditing" counseling sessions
(conducted on an E-meter, a kind of crude lie detector) may have an
intensifying and compounding effect on the nervous system that goes beyond
that of simpler cult rituals. And that, *hour for hour, Scientology's
techniques may be more than twice as damaging as those of any other major
cult in America!* In our view, this could be a vital direction for further
research by scientists working in the field of neurophysiology.


"The overall impact? Devastating!" wrote one ex-member. "I still
tend to view the world in Scientological terms: 'Truth is only an
illusion.' 'People are robots.' 'People are basically insane and dangerous.'"
Another was even more bitter: "The only thing I got out of this scam was
deep suicidal depression coinciding with the fear of death within five
years after separation. We were told that ninety percent of all 'refund
cases' eventually commit suicide."

[Takin Time]

To think of any kid any where slaving in an org just infuriates me.
I remember when I got into Scientology in the mid-1990s there was a 10-year old girl who was the receptionist at the org. She was very professional and wonderful... but still... she was 10 and it was late at night!!!!!!!!

:floor: :vacuum:

[Dulloldfart]

Wonderful stuff. Thanks very much Neo and David and Ems.

Paul

[anonomog]

:thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave:



:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[sandygirl]

This is the stuff that made me join this board.

Thank you thank you Neo!!!! A funny thing has happened. We are not in Austrailia but I have mentioned that I have a family member who signed all of their kids over to SO. Siblings were used to reg. other siblings with the promise of being together and then they were split apart-some to ASHO some to FLAG.

Surprise surprise-the youngest one was sent home for a 3 day visit!!! This has not happened since she went in. Unfortunatly, her parents kept her visiti a secret so I couldn't ask any questions. (i'm the evil aunt who doesn't like to see kids signed over to slave labor)

Looks like the "church" is starting to cover it's hiney (although it's wayyy too late):drowning: :drowning:

Can't wait till Tuesday. We won't get it here in the states so someone pls. post ASAP!!!!!!

[Lulu Belle]

Emma...well, there's things happening in this world in a big way because of you.

:grouphug:

[sallydannce]

:thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave:



:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Very warm welcome to you anonomog! :)
What a way to make your entrance onto ESMB - like your style anonomog! :)

[Anne Ominous]

Anonymous Approves! (as you can see on Enturb)

Neo and David - I like your style:)

[mate]

Hi all.
Thank you for your acknowledgments, I do appreciate it. But let me say that my role was minor compared to that of Emma and Neo. It is really they who should share the spotlight, and that I should be with you, those who are praising them. Emma does have an amazing sense of justice and a willingness to put the effort and time into achieving it. Neo has an exceptional understanding of the nature of responsibility and a willingness to take the not insignificant risks to follow through. Bravo Emma and Neo.

Regards, David.

[DavidM]

Thank you so much for exposing the abuses in Scientology. Emma, Neo and David, you are truly brave and I admire your dedication to justice.
This story will be seen by millions, and it will be spread around the world. I look forward to seeing it!

[Leon]

Yup. I'd like to add my name to those who congratulate you all on this. It's absolutely WONDERFUL what you have done and are conntinuing to do.

VVVVVWD!

[Neo]

Hi all.
Thank you for your acknowledgments, I do appreciate it. But let me say that my role was minor compared to that of Emma and Neo. It is really they who should share the spotlight, and that I should be with you, those who are praising them. Emma does have an amazing sense of justice and a willingness to put the effort and time into achieving it. Neo has an exceptional understanding of the nature of responsibility and a willingness to take the not insignificant risks to follow through. Bravo Emma and Neo.

Regards, David.

Thank you, David. I'm glad you could be a part of it.
:)

[Neo]

Melbourne has 8 OTVIIIs, including 1 just 'made' in the last month or so. Wonder why none of them saw this coming? Especially the newby? Her powers should be super charged?

Anyway, I'm sending them my thoughts now. I'll await their reply.

:p

[Pixie]

Hi all.
Thank you for your acknowledgments, I do appreciate it. But let me say that my role was minor compared to that of Emma and Neo. It is really they who should share the spotlight, and that I should be with you, those who are praising them. Emma does have an amazing sense of justice and a willingness to put the effort and time into achieving it. Neo has an exceptional understanding of the nature of responsibility and a willingness to take the not insignificant risks to follow through. Bravo Emma and Neo.

Regards, David.

And well done to you too mate!! :yes: And yes, bravo indeed to Emma and Neo (the one) they are a great pair! Love your sig line, made me laugh!! :thumbsup:

[Pixie]

Melbourne has 8 OTVIIIs, including 1 just 'made' in the last month or so. Wonder why none of them saw this coming? Especially the newby? Her powers should be super charged?

Anyway, I'm sending them my thoughts now. I'll await their reply.

:p

Well a little advice for you Neo.. don't hold your breath!! :D

[Neo]

Well a little advice for you Neo.. don't hold your breath!! :D

Breathing is very OT. It helps you survive.
:p

[Alanzo]

Well done, Aussies.

This is the correct and vital target.

You may soon have yourselves the first Scientology abuse-free country on the planet.

[Kerry]

Ems, Neo, and David, these acts of courage, integrity, and commitment are just so EXceptionally beautiful, laudible, awesome, and inspiring! Kudos and love to you, and especially, Thank You. :heartflower:

[asagai]

Well done guys! :thumbsup:

After the recent arguments over the value of ESMB, this wonderful news acts as a reminder of the effectiveness of Emma's board.

[Wild-Tiger]

Many, many people deserve thanks. 10,000+ Anonymous. Ex-Scientologists, current Scientologists that are fed up with the way people are treated but can't get out, news articles, television spotlights (like Today Tonight), and many more.

If a person, namely someone getting interviewed, wasn't motivated to do what he or she is doing, it'd never happen. Thank you to those who are getting the message out. Thank you to those who are being pushed to read and motivate yourself and each other. A lot has been achieved in merely 5 months.

But to those in the moment, you deserve a special thank you.

[quietheart]

:hattip: :dancer: :happydance: :thumbsup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou: :goodluck: :goodluck: :goodluck: :hifive: :hifive: :bow: :bow: :woohoo: :woohoo: :party: :party: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :biglove: :biglove: :biglove: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :dance2: :dance2: :thewinner: :thewinner: :thewinner: :itstrue: :itstrue: :dance: :dance: :dance: :bravo: :bravo: :bravo: :thewave: :thewave: :thewave: :headspin: :headspin: :headspin: :cake: :cake: :owned: :owned: :hourglass: :hourglass: :readfaq: :readfaq: :readfaq: :hotwater: :hotwater: :hotwater: :congratulations: :congratulations: :congratulations: :congratulations: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :rickroll: :rickroll: :rickroll:
I never commit smillie abuse, but this thread massively deserves it!!!! i'm so glad to hear of this happening!! Hopefully we will see some of this good stuff here in the US really soon too.
Angl

[ScudMuffin]

WELL DONE! More than anything else it's this sort of thing that's needed. I can protest but the ex's hold the key, you've been there, you know and using what you know produces WIN!

This is excellent, can't wait to see it B)

[sallydannce]

Here where time starts it only a few hours to go to show time. :happydance:

[Wild-Tiger]

It left me speechless.

[Free to shine]

It made me cry and dance - both at once! It was one of the best I have seen yet. Absolutely fabulous. Will post a link asap, or if someone else can, please do. OMG....:bigcry: :happydance:

[Emma]

Wow - fucking - weeeeeeee!!!!!!

Neo, I swear I'm baking you the biggest fucking cake EVER!!!

http://www.ea.com/downloads/eagames/simpsons/screenshots/100303_6.jpg

[sallydannce]

Just for a truly lovely touch, the Southpark "trapped in the closet" episode is having a re-run tonight, 8.30pm, SBS. What a f***ing amazing night in Australia! :happydance:

[Free to shine]

I read somewhere that the Panorama expose is on this week too. I'll find out when.

[sallydannce]

BRING IT ON!

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Just for a truly lovely touch, the Southpark "trapped in the closet" episode is having a re-run tonight, 8.30pm, SBS. What a f***ing amazing night in Australia! :happydance:
I have that on disc! "Dad! Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet!" :roflmao:

Have you measured your theetan levels lately?

[sallydannce]

I have that on disc! "Dad! Tom Cruise won't come out of the closet!" :roflmao:

Have you measured your theetan levels lately?

It really is a classic for all time!

[Emma]

It's getting onto youtube from various sources, but if you want your own copy get it from here:

http://asapload.com/128329

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Where's the video!? - Gawd!! - Where's the confounded video!!??? - I'm going to pieces here!!!

Emma, Neo and David.. Fantastic!!! - Thanks a freakin crapload!

Wow! - Where's the goddamn VIDEO!!??

I believe that this has 'snowball' effect. It'll go worldwide! - The Sinister Swindle and Scam Cult of Scientology will be forced to make conditions better for the kids. They will be visited by authorities to make sure they do.. And the people of Earth will frown on 'em!!

Where's the freakin' VIDEO!!??

(And can we have the broadcasting company ok it for u-tube? - Even provide a super quality file maybe?)

:geekon: :rock: :dance: :bravo: :wiggle: :cake:

[sallydannce]

Where's the video!? - Gawd!! - Where's the confounded video!!??? - I'm going to pieces here!!!

Emma, Neo and David.. Fantastic!!! - Thanks a freakin crapload!

Wow! - Where's the goddamn VIDEO!!??

I believe that this has 'snowball' effect. It'll go worldwide! - The Sinister Swindle and Scam Cult of Scientology will be forced to make conditions better for the kids. They will be visited by authorities to make sure they do.. And the people of Earth will frown on 'em!!

Where's the freakin' VIDEO!!??

(And can we have the broadcating company ok it for u-tube? - Even provide a super quality file maybe?)

:geekon: :rock: :dance: :bravo: :wiggle: :cake:

You got it SP. This is BIG!!!!! I am so buzzed out! :happydance:

[Free to shine]

Calm down SP - it's being uploaded now. :) Watch chat.

[johnAnchovie]

Goddammn you aussie SPs!!!! Drat, darn and poo, foiled again.... (actual quote from comments made by D M Dastardly on his seeing the full episode).

You guys are just fantastic, I spent a year iin Aus, installing the finance computer system, it is wonderful to see the cult exposed there, and the reaction from the church? A deafening silence?

[sallydannce]

Goddammn you aussie SPs!!!! Drat, darn and poo, foiled again.... (actual quote from comments made by D M Dastardly on his seeing the full episode).

You guys are just fantastic, I spent a year iin Aus, installing the finance computer system, it is wonderful to see the cult exposed there, and the reaction from the church? A deafening silence?

Can you hear that sound of the cult crumbling? It's getting louder & louder.

[Emma]

It's up on Vimeo!

http://www.vimeo.com/1295178

[asagai]

Well done Neo and everybody else! :thumbsup:

The word gets out. :D

Anybody recently left staff in the UK who's got knowledge of this exploitation of children happening in UK orgs?

The UK authorities are already looking into employment practices, let's give them some data on child labour to add to their investigation!

[Emma]

Well done Neo and everybody else! :thumbsup:

The word gets out. :D

Anybody recently left staff in the UK who's got knowledge of this exploitation of children happening in UK orgs?

The UK authorities are already looking into employment practices, let's give them some data on child labour to add to their investigation!

Just you wait to see what Neo is up to next!

He has been a busy boy and it's right up your alley asagai. :D

[sallydannce]

Just you wait to see what Neo is up to next!

He has been a busy boy and it's right up your alley asagai. :D

Neo is one bad bad boy and we love him!!!!

[Zander]

I watched the video, that is really something.

This abuse of children is sick and it all comes from the 'tech'. Treating little kids like adults and making them 'produce', it's so wrong. :angry:

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Just watched it! - Man, oh man!! - Talk about shining a light on the scamcult!!

I'll just add this link here for researchers and everyone interested:
Scientology : Tax-exempt Child Abuse and Neglect ? (http://www.taxexemptchildabuse.net/)

We really hitting a very fundamental issue with this. That of which authority the scamcult needs to comply with. They think that they're the authorities themselves and above the law.. But they are not!

They will need to treat the kids well. The people of Earth will NOT accept neglect and abuse of our kids! - And we will NOT tolerate insane 'philosophy' directing it! Or evil mindcontrol techniques that makes parents do it!

.

[Dulloldfart]

Thanks for the vimeo link, Emma. I couldn't get any of the download ones to work, but that one was great.

Wow. The CofS is in for a rough ride.

Like in a tumbril. :D

Paul

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Thank you so much NEO, David, Emma, Anonymous, old guard.:thumbsup: :clap:

I am looking for a way to make the ball roll even faster and further.

[Kerry]

Bloody fantastic! TT is getting better and better and Bryan Seymour is a LEGEND. :happydance:


Karma baby! I don't believe in it, but if it exists I'm all for it.

[Neo]

The vimeo version has been uploaded to youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSm2hoqVhyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEbLLjvpT7E

[freefrom]

No body - well it presents its problems, sure - but no purpose - this still sends shivers through me. To me, this is the anatomy of a trap - and is how the cult operates.

So, let the children live their own lives, and make their own choices, and contribute to the world according to their own purposes.

Absolutely. That is a very quotable quote. And well done on the show, Neo. It was soooo good!
:happydance::happydance::happydance:

[freefrom]

I read somewhere that the Panorama expose is on this week too. I'll find out when.
Hi Free To Shine,

On the enturbulation.org page which had the teaser on it they said the following:

Coincidentally, C.I on subscription television, is playing Panorama's John Sweeney/ Scientology and Me on the sunday after the global pickets at 7.pm(13th)

I think AusFags should maybe get some signs ready for next weekends Spy V Sci raids.

:)
http://forums.enturbulation.org/15-media/today-tonight-aus-expose-scn-child-labour-locally-7-july-21162/

[Free to shine]

Hi Free To Shine,

On the enturbulation.org page which had the teaser on it they said the following:

Coincidentally, C.I on subscription television, is playing Panorama's John Sweeney/ Scientology and Me on the sunday after the global pickets at 7.pm(13th)

I think AusFags should maybe get some signs ready for next weekends Spy V Sci raids.

:)
http://forums.enturbulation.org/15-media/today-tonight-aus-expose-scn-child-labour-locally-7-july-21162/

Thanks Spirit - I knew I'd seen it somewhere!

[Royal Prince Xenu]

[QUOTE=Spiritlines;111016]Hi Free To Shine,

On the enturbulation.org page which had the teaser on it they said the following:

Coincidentally, C.I on subscription television, is playing Panorama's John Sweeney/ Scientology and Me on the sunday after the global pickets at 7.pm(13th)

I think AusFags should maybe get some signs ready for next weekends Spy V Sci raids.QUOTE]

I have another MU: Who or what are AusFags?

[asagai]

I have another MU: Who or what are AusFags?

We are ex-Fags. I am a UKFag. You are a XenuFag.

Any clearer now? AnonFag talk is not supposed to be the subject of WordClearing, AnonFags are immune to Ron's "tech", but they have cake! :hysterical:

[Pixie]

The vimeo version has been uploaded to youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSm2hoqVhyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEbLLjvpT7E

Thanks for posting this Neo, I have trouble with the Vimeos. This was excellent, very well put together and easy for the public to understand. This is a huge milestone for sure and it can only get better from here on. This is the start of something big. Thanks again to you and everyone else involved in getting this information out to the public. :yes: :clap:

[solo]

Brilliant! Well done Aussies!!! Yo ho ho, the cult's gonna GO!

Anyone in the UK have current beans to spill re child labour?

Solo

[byte301]

Very well done!!! Congrats to Neo, David and Emma. You all rock!! Srsly.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Div6]

Aussies Rock!

[Sharone Stainforth]

Well Done Australia.

I would love to see some one recently out in England expose $cientologys abuse of kids. I am sure it must be going on. It was in the 60s and if it is happening in other parts of the world, it has to be going on in Britain.$cientology is the same where ever its location.

So come on, where are you?

Tamasin

[anonomog]

History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.

Maya Angelou

Blessings to Emma, Neo and David for their courage.


:bravo: :bravo: :bravo:

[johnAnchovie]

Neo, Emma and David, you are just the bees knees, the greatest and the bestest :clap:

[Mary]

Woww!! Just seen the videos! I'm speechless. God bless you guys.
:thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:

[MLWilde]

Thank you for your courage.

I'm not an ex (just a long-time critic and child advocate).
I think this is my first post, so, :wave: hello everyone.


-MLW

[byte301]

Hey MLWilde,

Welcome! You picked a good thread to post in!!:thumbsup:

[Ladybird]

I just watched the videos and I am in tears. This is so important! These stories don't usually get told until the kids grow up and escape, and by then it's too late. It has been so frustrating for so long that no matter how many times the cult has been reported and investigated in the past they seem able to weasel out of it and keep the victims silent and hidden.

Neo, you are fabulous!!! Thanks so much! Emma, you are making such a huge difference!!! David Graham, thank you too!

Funny how all Vicky Dunstan can do is attack the reporter and David...Oh yeah...Bryan Seymour rocks too!

[nowout]

Wow, awesome video! You guys rock - Neo, Emma and David! :thumbsup:

[Div6]

So where is the next segment?

[Ladybird]

Gosslip:The Church Of Scientology’s Child Labor Abuse Exposed

http://glosslip.com/2008/07/07/the-church-of-scientologys-child-labor-abuse-exposed/


Australia’s Channel 7 reporter Brian Seymour did a brilliant expose on the Church of Scientology’s long-standing child labor abuse, and their wide-spread deprivation of education to children of staff members. The expose, done in conjunction with an ex-child Sea Org member, exposes children being forced to work over 40 hour weeks and not providing these children with basic education.

Of course Scientology’s response to the report was typical. They accused the reporter of being an agent who is working with Anonymous, because of course, no one in their right mind would question a sinister cult which seeks to undermine families, rob people of their money AND their dignity, and violate both moral and legal codes of conduct. Right?

WRONG. Thank you to Brian Seymour for having the courage and to Channel 7 for backing him up. Also, many thanks to WS for forwarding this story.

Also, Anonymous will be staging their SIXTH protest this weekend, Saturday, July 12th. Clearly, their efforts are hammering away at the crumbling facade of deception Scientology has precariously built on its web of lies.

Glosslip will have more on the next protest later this week.

[Neo]

So where is the next segment?

It airs here in 3.5 hours.
:)

[anonmom]

Neo, David and Emma,

Wow! What more can I add? You haven't just helped scientology kids in Australia, you have helped them all over the world! God bless you all and thank you so very very much for your efforts!

It was already awesome, but when they even included the OT III xenu story... it blew me away!!! Love it, love it, love it!

:cheerleader: :heartflower: :smoochy: :cloud9:

[Free to shine]

Are we ready for Round Two? :coolwink:

[Free to shine]

Jason Beghe just added his voice, interview on Today Tonight just now. Fabulous! Video up as soon as I can find one.
:happydance: :happydance:

[anonomog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaU4H_NvOj0

[Neo]

Well there you have it, folks.

See what we can achieve. Not bad for a bunch of misfits, hey?

:happydance:

[byte301]

Well there you have it, folks.

See what we can achieve. Not bad for a bunch of misfits, hey?

:happydance:

Not bad at all, Neo! That was great! :thumbsup: Jason, thank you!!

[anonmom]

Well there you have it, folks.

See what we can achieve. Not bad for a bunch of misfits, hey?

:happydance:


Not bad? It was fantastic! You're not a misfit, you're a very brave survivor!

:goodjob: :congratulations:

[asagai]

Child abuse in the UK?

Here is OFSTED's latest report (June '07) on the CofS Walsh Manor School in Crowborough

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=301643&providerCategoryID=16384&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C131%5C%5Cs163_131204_20 070725.pdf

Interesting points:


70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
No external examination
Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
No coherent curriculum
No formal career guidence
No framework for evaluating performance
Students work for the cadet org after school
Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
No child protection policy
Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done


There are plenty of good things said about the school, but some of them read like they have been written by a Scientology staff member and handed to the Inspector! :duh:

Anybody got any personal info about the school that would be useful?

[Terril park]

Child abuse in the UK?

Here is OFSTED's latest report (June '07) on the CofS Walsh Manor School in Crowborough

Interesting points:


70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
No external examination
Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
No coherent curriculum
No formal career guidence
No framework for evaluating performance
Students work for the cadet org after school
Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
No child protection policy
Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done


There are plenty of good things said about the school, but some of them read like they have been written by a Scientology staff member and handed to the Inspector! :duh:

Anybody got any personal info about the school that would be useful?

I've never heard of this school. It seems there is no child abuse here. The full ofsted report in the URL below. Its interesting that the checksheet method of study appears to have been evaluated by Ofsted and is certainly not castigated per se. Having known several children who graduated from Greenfields, a fee paying school nearby run on scientological
study tech principles, a disadvantage is that generating enthusiasm in subjects is a very weak point which seems to be mentioned in the report.

I havn't found any mention of fees but I'd imagine that
there are fees. Seems to be for the children of local scientologists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/education/04/school_tables/secondary_schools/html/845_6041.stm

[sandygirl]

This is fantastic. Let's hope that someone in the media in Clearwater or LA pick this up as these two areas are filled with minors working for the cult.

The churchs response was lame as usual. Totally unbelievable and makes them look like asses. The always attack never defend policy may be their downfall in the war of the media.

Jason-you rock!!! So much more truthful and believeable that the cult!!!!

THIS IS AWESOME!!!(i bet there is some MAJOR scrambling around and cleaning up at FLO and ASHO)

[asagai]

I've never heard of this school. It seems there is no child abuse here. The full ofsted report in the URL below. Its interesting that the checksheet method of study appears to have been evaluated by Ofsted and is certainly not castigated per se. Having known several children who graduated from Greenfields, a fee paying school nearby run on scientological
study tech principles, a disadvantage is that generating enthusiasm in subjects is a very weak point which seems to be mentioned in the report.

I havn't found any mention of fees but I'd imagine that
there are fees. Seems to be for the children of local scientologists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/education/04/school_tables/secondary_schools/html/845_6041.stm

I've always given you the benefit of the doubt, Terril, despite your obvious Scientology loyalties, but your un-informed reply to my post is dreadful! :grouch:

To carry the CofS PR line, unfiltered by common sense or even accurate observation, puts you in a role of child exploitation condoner, in my opinion. To promote Scientology study tech blatently like you have just done and to try to use the OFSTED report to support your ridiculous claims is disgraceful! It gives the impression that the FreeZone has been lurking on these good-news threads waiting for the chance to hit back with cult PR.

Shame on you Terril! We are trying to save kids here who have been given no choice about their cult indoctrination! I say again, shame on you! These innocent children have been placed outside the educaation system so that they will provide new fodder for the cult!

I added the URL to the OFSTED report onto my message, this evening, because I realised I'd forgotten to do it.

To clarify your wrong assumption - Walsh Manor School is a Sea Org school where the SO is berthed. And as we all know the SO education is superlative and a shining testimony to LRH's wonderful tech! Not! :no:

If you read the report you will see some of the obvious cult propaganda has been copied by the inspector into his report. Nevertheless the obvious outnesses that I listed clearly show the inadequacy of the school and the exploitation potential the school's system has. We don't even have a breakdown of school hours vs child labour hours.

Hells teeth they don't even do a Criminal Records check on the staff, which every respectable, caring school in the UK does these days!

From the language situation of the children, it is fair to assume that the CofS is recruiting immigrants (legal or illegal) into the SO together with their children.

Shame on you Terril for tipping-toeing in here with your cult propaganda! :grouch: :grouch: :grouch:

I'll see you at the London picket, if you are there, and will have this out with you. You need to re-evaluate your priorities! We are trying to save kids from the cult here! Are you with us or against us?

Here again are some of the key points of abuse from the report so that Terril's intervention doesn't derail the thread.

Anyone got any info about Walsh Manor School that we can add to the investigation into this child exploitation? Come on UK exes, these kids need our help! :thumbsup:

* 70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
* No external examination
* Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
* No coherent curriculum
* No formal career guidence
* No framework for evaluating performance
* Students work for the cadet org after school
* Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
* No child protection policy
* Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done

[quietheart]

These are the reasons I feel this school should be shut down:
* No external examination
* No coherent curriculum
* No formal career guidance
* No framework for evaluating performance
* Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
* No child protection policy
* Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done
I home educate and I have to provide external examinations, coherent curriculum, career guidance and performance evaluations. I also have to allow unannounced inspections which covers the others points in my list.

[asagai]

We are contacting OFSTED regarding these outnesses in their report and need evidence to present to them.

Anyone from EX Scn Kids have any info that we can use on Walsh Manor School?

[Terril park]

I've always given you the benefit of the doubt, Terril, despite your obvious Scientology loyalties, but your un-informed reply to my post is dreadful! :grouch:

To carry the CofS PR line, unfiltered by common sense or even accurate observation, puts you in a role of child exploitation condoner, in my opinion. To promote Scientology study tech blatently like you have just done and to try to use the OFSTED report to support your ridiculous claims is disgraceful! It gives the impression that the FreeZone has been lurking on these good-news threads waiting for the chance to hit back with cult PR.


Would be very happy to meet on saturday. :) You know how to find me.

I'm not promoting scn tech at all. I could, but am not doing so here. I was commenting on the ofsted report which was largely positive on the checksheet teaching as opposed to peripheral issues. I was rather suprised.
I pointed out the downside which you don't know about and which ofsted merely hinted at.

Its perhaps worth noting that Ofsted also reports on inner city schools with appalling social situations. In that context a well funded, presumably relatively
wealthy clientele in a school with only 19 pupils would be expected to shine.
Walsh didn't seem to do that exactly.



Shame on you Terril! We are trying to save kids here who have been given no choice about their cult indoctrination! I say again, shame on you! These innocent children have been placed outside the educaation system so that they will provide new fodder for the cult!


This opens up many avenues of debate. However the thread is child abuse.
It seems clear that that is not happening at Walsh. Were the kids at Melbourne org treated such, the Aussie TV program would not have been made.

How do kids avoid their parents indoctrination?

The world is full of religions and the best english schools on the whole are the religious schools, particularly the catholic ones. My son went to one.

Funny story... He never bought into catholicism, or scientology or religion.
He's a true and proper Geek. He got grade B GSCE in religious studies, after years of reports of no homework, no interest etc. I asked him how come? In true geek fashion he said Religious studies had a small amout of religion and most of it was common sense. :)

Indoctrination is widespread. Walsh at least has ofsted inspecting and recomending. This is a good protection. It should ensure the future wider education of that schools children.

Many local scientologists are not happy placing children in Greenfields.
The SO go there to recruit. If a parent objects there may be severe problems.



To clarify your wrong assumption - Walsh Manor School is a Sea Org school where the SO is berthed. And as we all know the SO education is superlative and a shining testimony to LRH's wonderful tech! Not! :no:


I was wondering about that. If SO where is the funding coming from?
The students are not boarded.



If you read the report you will see some of the obvious cult propaganda has been copied by the inspector into his report. Nevertheless the obvious outnesses that I listed clearly show the inadequacy of the school and the exploitation potential the school's system has. We don't even have a breakdown of school hours vs child labour hours.


You need to back up your assumption that Ofsted meekly posts cult propaganda rather than doing its job!!! Jeez! They see well behaved kids.
How rare!

Complain to the appropriate authorities and report back.



Hells teeth they don't even do a Criminal Records check on the staff, which every respectable, caring school in the UK does these days!

From the language situation of the children, it is fair to assume that the CofS is recruiting immigrants (legal or illegal) into the SO together with their children.


You put a slant on the above. The actual situation is that St. Hill can reg and recruit throughout europe, and europe cannot do that in the UK. Also
St Hill has the cachet of being... well. Ron's home. Note also that many people in germany have severe restrictions on being scientologists. Thus many go to Sussex to live work ansd do scn.



Shame on you Terril for tipping-toeing in here with your cult propaganda! :grouch: :grouch: :grouch:


Shame on me? I've been associated with St Hill on and off for 40 years or so. I've known families with kids at greenfields through most of their school days. I'v told some of what I know. I've not actually mentioned the positives
I've seen happen.

You label me a child exploitation condoner?

From Ofsted report:-

" Students personal development is outstanding....."

Ofsted, the UK government, also exploits children?

[Sharone Stainforth]

To clarify your wrong assumption - Walsh Manor School is a Sea Org school where the SO is berthed. And as we all know the SO education is superlative and a shining testimony to LRH's wonderful tech! Not!

If you read the report you will see some of the obvious cult propaganda has been copied by the inspector into his report. Nevertheless the obvious outnesses that I listed clearly show the inadequacy of the school and the exploitation potential the school's system has. We don't even have a breakdown of school hours vs child labour hours.

Hells teeth they don't even do a Criminal Records check on the staff, which every respectable, caring school in the UK does these days!

From the language situation of the children, it is fair to assume that the CofS is recruiting immigrants (legal or illegal) into the SO together with their children.

Shame on you Terril for tipping-toeing in here with your cult propaganda!

I'll see you at the London picket, if you are there, and will have this out with you. You need to re-evaluate your priorities! We are trying to save kids from the cult here! Are you with us or against us?

Here again are some of the key points of abuse from the report so that Terril's intervention doesn't derail the thread.

Anyone got any info about Walsh Manor School that we can add to the investigation into this child exploitation? Come on UK exes, these kids need our help!

* 70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
* No external examination
* Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
* No coherent curriculum
* No formal career guidence
* No framework for evaluating performance
* Students work for the cadet org after school
* Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
* No child protection policy
* Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done


Where to begin?

The fact that there are no criminal checks on staff would be my first concern as a "non scieno parent", also being XSO myself, i would deffinitely want criminal checks on any body teaching the children.

Having said that, unfortunately the parents are Scientologists so would not see the need for this as they are the most ethical beings on the planet.Not.:no:

I would suggest that most of the curriculum is work based and not educational.Therefore assessments are not needed in this area.

Class discussions would mean thinking for oneself and as we all know that is not allowed in $cientology.The reason "Topics" are not introduced is because the sole topic is $cientology, Scientology is breathed, eaten and slept, if you are lucky enough to get sufficient sleep.Looking up words in a dictionary does not constitute learning.

The report says that Supervision is good. Yes i would imagine it is, is it to stop any one running away?

Talk about Cult Propaganda:
"students recently participated in a petition to support the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" This would be funny if it wasn't so bloody hypercritical.It is possible the students themselves don't know this but for gods sake, David Miscavige makes me sick.Hubbards "Tech" ruins lives, it destroys lives and steals childrens childhoods.I do not differentiate between LRH, his Tech and the organisations, its all the same to me.

David Graham has it right "brick by brick".

I want to talk to this Inspector
Asagai, keep it up. You do a lot of good.

:)

[Terril park]

Talk about Cult Propaganda:
"students recently participated in a petition to support the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" This would be funny if it wasn't so bloody hypercritical.


This in fact was propaganda. However an Ofsted inspector
would just report the surface facts here. What else could he do?

That Ofsted are there reporting is a great safeguard.

[Zander]

Child abuse in the UK?

Here is OFSTED's latest report (June '07) on the CofS Walsh Manor School in Crowborough

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=301643&providerCategoryID=16384&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C131%5C%5Cs163_131204_20 070725.pdf

Interesting points:


70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
No external examination
Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
No coherent curriculum
No formal career guidence
No framework for evaluating performance
Students work for the cadet org after school
Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
No child protection policy
Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done


There are plenty of good things said about the school, but some of them read like they have been written by a Scientology staff member and handed to the Inspector! :duh:

Anybody got any personal info about the school that would be useful?

I also noticed that the report says they're very weak in providing experience in science and technology. I suppose any science education would not be terribly useful to future SO members and might only confuse with systematic thinking.

I wonder if the inspector was careful to provide some positive sounding statments in the fear of being labelled anti-religious?

But those criticisms you've sumarrised above are certainly damning enough.

Zander

[Axiom142]

Child abuse in the UK?

Here is OFSTED's latest report (June '07) on the CofS Walsh Manor School in Crowborough

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/reports/pdf/?inspectionNumber=301643&providerCategoryID=16384&fileName=%5C%5Cschool%5C%5C131%5C%5Cs163_131204_20 070725.pdf

Interesting points:


70% of pupils don't have English as their first language
No external examination
Students move on to Saint Hill Manor at age 16
No coherent curriculum
No formal career guidence
No framework for evaluating performance
Students work for the cadet org after school
Welfare health and safety are unsatisfactory
No child protection policy
Criminal Records Bureau checks on staff are not done


There are plenty of good things said about the school, but some of them read like they have been written by a Scientology staff member and handed to the Inspector! :duh:

Anybody got any personal info about the school that would be useful?

This is a pretty damning report. It seems that the whole purpose is to provide a place where children of Sea Org members can be indoctrinated before being fed to St Hill. Yes, fed as in fodder. The fact that there is no formal career guidance is hardly surprising. After all, their future for the next billion years has already been decided.

The report mentions that “There have been no complaints by parents”. Well, that’s not very likely is it? Even if there were, I doubt that any outside agency would ever get to hear about it.

When Walsh Manor was opened in 1995 (ish), the public were invited to tour the place. I went along and was told about the school. The reasons that I was given for setting it up, were that the children of staff got bullied in the state schools and that they didn’t want them to be subjected to all the drugs, out-ethics etc present in the ‘wog’ world. But of course, when it suits them, the CoS will happily tell us that they enjoy good relations with the local community.

Also, it must have caused embarrassment to the ‘church’ when all the staff kids left school without any qualifications. A couple of years before this, I was told by a 15 year old Sea Org member that she had effectively left school and wasn’t going to take any more exams. Her only pass was in French. Which was not difficult as she had been speaking French all her life.

This is one of the things that I hate the most about the CoS. It’s one thing to make a decision about your own future, but to force your children into a life of servitude and poverty, without even giving them a chance to experience anything else, is just plain evil.

Axiom142

[asagai]

Thanks for the feedback Axiom142. :thumbsup: We are passing it on to the authorities.

So your data is from 93/95? correct? Anything more recent?

Thanks also for the support from Anonangl, Tamasin, & Zander

Mrs A & I will push this as hard as we can to stop this exploitation of children.

Any more recent data, anybody?

To clarify and for those who don't know: Walsh Manor near Crowbourough in Sussex is where the SO from Saint Hill are berthed. It also is home to the RPF. SO kids live there and attend Walsh Manor School which is situated on the property. It is unlikely any kids of Public Scientologists attend as Walsh Manor is an SO establishment.

It appears from the OFSTED report that for part of the day they study and for part of the day they work for the Cadet Org (similar to Melbourne) before moving on at 16 to work for the SO at St Hill.

[Neo]

The story has been added at FACTnet

http://www.factnet.org/?p=381

Neo

[Cat's Squirrel]

This is a pretty damning report. It seems that the whole purpose is to provide a place where children of Sea Org members can be indoctrinated before being fed to St Hill. Yes, fed as in fodder. The fact that there is no formal career guidance is hardly surprising. After all, their future for the next billion years has already been decided.

The report mentions that “There have been no complaints by parents”. Well, that’s not very likely is it? Even if there were, I doubt that any outside agency would ever get to hear about it.

When Walsh Manor was opened in 1995 (ish), the public were invited to tour the place. I went along and was told about the school. The reasons that I was given for setting it up, were that the children of staff got bullied in the state schools and that they didn’t want them to be subjected to all the drugs, out-ethics etc present in the ‘wog’ world. But of course, when it suits them, the CoS will happily tell us that they enjoy good relations with the local community.

Also, it must have caused embarrassment to the ‘church’ when all the staff kids left school without any qualifications. A couple of years before this, I was told by a 15 year old Sea Org member that she had effectively left school and wasn’t going to take any more exams. Her only pass was in French. Which was not difficult as she had been speaking French all her life.

This is one of the things that I hate the most about the CoS. It’s one thing to make a decision about your own future, but to force your children into a life of servitude and poverty, without even giving them a chance to experience anything else, is just plain evil.

Axiom142

'Nuff said. I hadn't even heard of this "school" before I joined ESMB.

[Sharone Stainforth]

This in fact was propaganda. However an Ofsted inspector
would just report the surface facts here. What else could he do?

That Ofsted are there reporting is a great safeguard.

Where i think Ofsted fail is in announcing their arrival.This is with all schools.
I have heard from my own child how the teachers run around like headless chickens prior to the Inspector coming.Repeatedely telling the children to be on their best behavior.

Unannounced inspections should be made.

We have heard many times how in the SO, things are changed rapidly, all hands on deck to make an appearance of normality.The "show" must go on.Its all a big illusion.

Jeez! They see well behaved kids.
How rare!

I was a well behaved kid in the SO, well behaved because i was scared witless to be anything other than well behaved.Well behaved or a trip to the Ethics Officer - which would you choose, when there was no choice?

[asagai]

This in fact was propaganda. However an Ofsted inspector
would just report the surface facts here. What else could he do?

That Ofsted are there reporting is a great safeguard.

Where i think Ofsted fail is in announcing their arrival.This is with all schools.
I have heard from my own child how the teachers run around like headless chickens prior to the Inspector coming.Repeatedely telling the children to be on their best behavior.

Unannounced inspections should be made.

We have heard many times how in the SO, things are changed rapidly, all hands on deck to make an appearance of normality.The "show" must go on.Its all a big illusion.

Jeez! They see well behaved kids.
How rare!

I was a well behaved kid in the SO, well behaved because i was scared witless to be anything other than well behaved.Well behaved or a trip to the Ethics Officer - which would you choose, when there was no choice?

Exactly! In the UK the SO has a long history of faking things for inspections. I understand that Walsh Manor was set up after lies about the numbers berthed at Stonelands was exposed as being higher than the numbers reported by the SO to inspectors!

The SO moved to nearby Crowborough which my guess is under a different council authority.

So as exes we would expect this OFSTED inspection to be done under cleaned up conditions. I think the head writes up an account of the school for the inspector and if he sees nothing to the contrary, I suspect parts of the head's PR gets its way into the report.

Nevertheless despite the sanitisation the school will have done in preparation for the inspection, the inspector still itemises these serious flaws. Makes you wonder what the report would have said if he'd inspected unannounced and seen the RPF slaves and the true conditions the SO operates under.

As far as I see it, this report is another example of the exploitation exposed on Aussie TV and as Jason Beghe says the string should be pulled.

Anyone know if this OFSTED report data has been posted on ExScnKids? Anyone got recent data we can give to the authorities?

[Terril park]

The pennies just dropped. The opening page of the ofsted report said no boarding provision. I missed the bit inside where it said the children lived on the premises with their parents.

Its actually an SO establishment. Still not sure how this works with a no kids
rule in the SO.

[Axiom142]

The pennies just dropped. The opening page of the ofsted report said no boarding provision. I missed the bit inside where it said the children lived on the premises with their parents.

Its actually an SO establishment. Still not sure how this works with a no kids
rule in the SO.

Terril,

There isn't a "no kids" rule for the Sea Org. They just have to be at school age. That way, you can pack them off to school during the day and don't have to provide childcare. Yes, I know school kids should be looked after as well, but I guess that the CoS figures that the older ones can look after the younger ones while their parents are slaving away in the orgs.

Back in '86, the ED Int (Lesevre) said that there were problems with providing childcare and that it took up a lot of resources etc. So, the new rules came into force which said that any new SO members with pre-school children or existing SO members having children had to be assigned to Class IV orgs.

I know that this upset quite a few people and there were many problems when members got pregnant. I had to sit on the board of a Comm-Ev where someone was accused of deliberately getting pregnant (found not guilty as this wasn’t a crime).

The childcare facilities at St Hill were a disgrace. This basically consisted of a hut at Stonelands, with a grass (and mud) area enclosed by chicken wire. The children, many of them babies, pretty much had to fend for themselves. One time, I got a ride on the kid’s minibus. There were only two adults (including me) to look after about eight small children. And no child seats or seatbelts of course. I had to have a very lively toddler on my lap for about 5 mins.

Axiom142

[asagai]

The pennies just dropped. The opening page of the ofsted report said no boarding provision. I missed the bit inside where it said the children lived on the premises with their parents.

Its actually an SO establishment. Still not sure how this works with a no kids
rule in the SO.

Clunk! Well done Terril. :duh:

Like I said, Walsh Manor is the SO berthing for Saint Hill. The "school" is the grooming school for the Cadet Org and the Sea Org.

I got your point about the catchment area and the kudos that St Hill has. Nevertheless, in my time, it was unusual for overseas people to come to the SO in EG with their children.

These children are either simply children of regular overseas recruits as you described, or there is something new going on where the SO is actively recruiting foreign immigrants. The UK has had a huge influx of people from countries like Poland and the SO would view immigrants, legal or illegal, as good raw meat and presumably would have to have catered for their children.

The string to pull is the percentage. 70% of the 19 children don't have English as their first language. That's 13 out of 19 children not native English-speaking! This is unusual for the SO in EG.

But all that is, for now, a minor issue unless it reveals employment of illegal immigrants or unethical employment of EC citizens.

The major points are the others that I listed, which indicate an inadequte education and child exploitation, along the lines of Melbourne.

Strings are being pulled. More data is needed by anyone with recent knowledge of Walsh Manor.

[asagai]

An interesting comparison can be made with the inspection of Greenfields School (non SO)

http://www.isi.net/report/1571.htm

Greenfields is a member of the Independent Schools Council whereas of course Walsh Manor is not as it nowhere near meets their standards for membership.

It contrasts well the difference between treatment of Public Scientology families and SO Scientology families.

It seems that Walsh Manor, being an "Independent School" falls outside the regulation of the State Education system, but does not fall within the Independent regulatory system. It seems the SO children are not being protected by either body.

Strings are being pulled .....

[Neo]

When I started on staff at Melbourne Org there were no children on staff. I think there were around 45 - 50 adult staff at the time. Around about three years later they started to recruit the children. Perhaps they were reaching a recruitable age at similar times. Mostly I think it was because they were struggling to recruit adults.

When I was recruited onto staff it was all about IGN Bulletin 44 'Wake Up Call' where DM talks about the need to hurry up in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks (or was he just creating a dangerous environment?). This, together with the staff number requirements from the GAT, were what were being heavily pushed in the last few years I was on staff to create the Ideal Org, and to make it Saint Hill size. Minimum of 120 staff, including 20 Class V auditors.

Because of the struggle to recruit adults, children were being targeted. They were all children of current staff members. Four of them started at 12 years of age. Three of them are still 13. A few of them started at 14 or 15.

From the Bulletin:


Today we do have many large organizations. But all of
them must expand and be large. No org can 'wait to do
better' before they get big. The way to do better is to get big.
An org with a few dozen staff will struggle. With 200, it will
thrive and really expand. After all, it takes numbers
to perform the full role of a Scientology Church. Lots of
auditors. Lots of supervisors. Lots of people to lecture and
provide introductory services. Lots of people to further
disseminate in their communities. And the administrative
staff to hat and train those staff, and keep the lines
administered so they can provide Scientology services.

And beyond even that, it also requires we expand by
establishing many more Churches, each one in turn
composed of large numbers. 10,000 missions and 1,000
Class V orgs is not just a nice figure to postulate in the
future. It must become a reality. But again, that requires
every Scientologist doing their part. In other words, it
requires YOU.

Children would be getting recruited at all orgs, if that is what it takes for them to make these numbers. All orgs are expected to become an Ideal Org, and here on the outside we know how unfeasible that is - but they don't see it that way.

The reality of the Melbourne scene is - 1 Class V Org, with currently about 75 on Day and 10 on Fdn. 4 Class V auditors, with 2 more in internships. Both of these 2 have taken 5 years to reach this level. At this rate, even with the numbers already recruited, the Ideal number of auditors is over 5 years away.

1 Mission, which sells maybe half a dozen books per week. 1 Life Improvement centre which does better, especially with the purif.

Between 50-100 (varies weekly) on study per week. Sometimes much less.

About 6 Clears made in the last 5 years.


So, perhaps a wakeup call to DM - something here isn't working (Scientology perhaps?). Children are not the solution to your problem. They are children. The world is watching you on this issue.

[Axiom142]

When I started on staff at Melbourne Org there were no children on staff. I think there were around 45 - 50 adult staff at the time. Around about three years later they started to recruit the children. Perhaps they were reaching a recruitable age at similar times. Mostly I think it was because they were struggling to recruit adults.

When I was recruited onto staff it was all about IGN Bulletin 44 'Wake Up Call' where DM talks about the need to hurry up in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks (or was he just creating a dangerous environment?). This, together with the staff number requirements from the GAT, were what were being heavily pushed in the last few years I was on staff to create the Ideal Org, and to make it Saint Hill size. Minimum of 120 staff, including 20 Class V auditors.

Because of the struggle to recruit adults, children were being targeted. They were all children of current staff members. Four of them started at 12 years of age. Three of them are still 13. A few of them started at 14 or 15.

From the Bulletin:



Children would be getting recruited at all orgs, if that is what it takes for them to make these numbers. All orgs are expected to become an Ideal Org, and here on the outside we know how unfeasible that is - but they don't see it that way.

The reality of the Melbourne scene is - 1 Class V Org, with currently about 75 on Day and 10 on Fdn. 4 Class V auditors, with 2 more in internships. Both of these 2 have taken 5 years to reach this level. At this rate, even with the numbers already recruited, the Ideal number of auditors is over 5 years away.

1 Mission, which sells maybe half a dozen books per week. 1 Life Improvement centre which does better, especially with the purif.

Between 50-100 (varies weekly) on study per week. Sometimes much less.

About 6 Clears made in the last 5 years.


So, perhaps a wakeup call to DM - something here isn't working (Scientology perhaps?). Children are not the solution to your problem. They are children. The world is watching you on this issue.

Very interesting Neo.

Six clears in five years isn't going to clear the planet very fast.

I used to think that the struggling orgs were just a peculiarity of the UK, and that things must be much better everywhere else. After all, we were constantly being told how the stats were going through the roof all the time. And it must be true, because it was all these super-ethical, super-able beings who were telling us. :duh:

Actually, from the numbers that you have given, I would say that Melbourne is doing somewhat better than almost every UK Class V org, but still well below what would be expected if Scientology policies really did work.

I like the idea of a ‘Wake Up Call’. Perhaps we could write an SCN (Scientology Critics Network) Bulletin No. 1, ‘Scientologists Wake the F**k Up’? In which we could list all the major outpoints and suggest that Miscavige be immediately sacked and investigated for criminal acts. This could be sent to all orgs and missions on the Planet. If we kept it truthful and accurate, I’m sure someone would listen.

Oh, and a belated Very Well Done for getting the situation at Melbourne in the public eye. :thumbsup:

And, I hardly need to say it, but I will anyway, another Very Well Done to Emma for bringing us all together. :thankyou:

When the CoS gets brought down, it will only be because people such as yourself and Emms (and others obviously), had the guts and determination to do something about it.

Axiom142

[Neo]

thanks Axiom142 :)

Although the stats mentioned for Melbourne are not all that good, this is the Birthday Game winning Org for the last 2 years in a row for ANZO. I think they won it 3 out of the last 4 years, coming 2nd the other year. No other Class V Orgs in Australia created any Clears in those 5 years that I am aware of. In fact, most of their PCs come to Melbourne to get audited.

I fell for the hype whilst I was in, but since reading posts here about how things were in Melbourne in the early days, especially from what Alan has written, I see that the reality is vastly different. Scientology is not booming. And the world doesn't need Scientology's help, so what difference does it make anyway. Well, if it wasn't for the issue of the children, maybe it wouldn't make any difference.

It's a house of cards. Just knock out the correct card.

Neo

[Boldgirl]

I like the idea of a ‘Wake Up Call’. Perhaps we could write an SCN (Scientology Critics Network) Bulletin No. 1, ‘Scientologists Wake the F**k Up’? In which we could list all the major outpoints and suggest that Miscavige be immediately sacked and investigated for criminal acts. This could be sent to all orgs and missions on the Planet. If we kept it truthful and accurate, I’m sure someone would listen.

Axiom142

Yes, this is a great idea....a "Wake - Up Call" to SCN ....worth putting it on Enturb Axiom...pitch it--those guys are like production machines....

[Terril park]

Clunk! Well done Terril. :duh:

Like I said, Walsh Manor is the SO berthing for Saint Hill. The "school" is the grooming school for the Cadet Org and the Sea Org.

I got your point about the catchment area and the kudos that St Hill has. Nevertheless, in my time, it was unusual for overseas people to come to the SO in EG with their children.

These children are either simply children of regular overseas recruits as you described, or there is something new going on where the SO is actively recruiting foreign immigrants. The UK has had a huge influx of people from countries like Poland and the SO would view immigrants, legal or illegal, as good raw meat and presumably would have to have catered for their children.

The string to pull is the percentage. 70% of the 19 children don't have English as their first language. That's 13 out of 19 children not native English-speaking! This is unusual for the SO in EG.

But all that is, for now, a minor issue unless it reveals employment of illegal immigrants or unethical employment of EC citizens.

The major points are the others that I listed, which indicate an inadequte education and child exploitation, along the lines of Melbourne.

Strings are being pulled. More data is needed by anyone with recent knowledge of Walsh Manor.

There has been comment on how Flag has been recruiting staff in eastern europe and they end up in the SO without their passports. I would imagine this would also happen at St.Hill.
However about 4 months ago on an open day at St Hill, under the auspices ofthe Sussex tourist board, no non native speakers were around. I was last on lines there in 1991 or so.
My impression was that about half the people there were not english. Receptionists were multi lingual.Mostly german as I recall. If you look at current completions list there are very few english names.

Scientology has not penetrated far into Poland. I only know of two polish FZers. They know of few polish churchies Iwould imagine that Hungary and former Russian states would be the bulk of eastern european reccruitment. Much activity by COS there. Also I'm sure many from germany
would stil lbe there.

Greenfields, and in fact family ofcommitted scientologists
has been a lucrative recruit pool.

[Terril park]

This in fact was propaganda. However an Ofsted inspector
would just report the surface facts here. What else could he do?

That Ofsted are there reporting is a great safeguard.

Where i think Ofsted fail is in announcing their arrival.This is with all schools.
I have heard from my own child how the teachers run around like headless chickens prior to the Inspector coming.Repeatedely telling the children to be on their best behavior.

Unannounced inspections should be made.

We have heard many times how in the SO, things are changed rapidly, all hands on deck to make an appearance of normality.The "show" must go on.Its all a big illusion.

Jeez! They see well behaved kids.
How rare!

I was a well behaved kid in the SO, well behaved because i was scared witless to be anything other than well behaved.Well behaved or a trip to the Ethics Officer - which would you choose, when there was no choice?

I invented a scale:-

lies
Damned lies
Statistics
COS PR

Maybe we can add SO PR?

Is there in fact an actual school there? That the COS
would spend money required for such an institution is
extremely unusual.

My guess is that in having to account for children's schooling to the authorities they had to invent one?

[Cat's Squirrel]

There has been comment on how Flag has been recruiting staff in eastern europe and they end up in the SO without their passports. I would imagine this would also happen at St.Hill.
However about 4 months ago on an open day at St Hill, under the auspices ofthe Sussex tourist board, no non native speakers were around. I was last on lines there in 1991 or so.
My impression was that about half the people there were not english. Receptionists were multi lingual.Mostly german as I recall. If you look at current completions list there are very few english names.

Scientology has not penetrated far into Poland. I only know of two polish FZers. They know of few polish churchies Iwould imagine that Hungary and former Russian states would be the bulk of eastern european reccruitment. Much activity by COS there. Also I'm sure many from germany would stil lbe there.

Greenfields, and in fact family ofcommitted scientologists has been a lucrative recruit pool.

They must be doing badly then, because I've met the guy who claims to have taken Scn behind the Iron Curtain before the fall of the Soviet Union (Alan Ambrose). Clearly they haven't made much progress in all that time.

[Axiom142]

....

Is there in fact an actual school there? That the COS
would spend money required for such an institution is
extremely unusual.

My guess is that in having to account for children's schooling to the authorities they had to invent one?

Well, there is a school building there. Can't imagine that they wouldn't actually run a school, or would they?

Axiom142

[byte301]

I too wonder if there's actually a school. I also wonder how many of those kids were jerked out of the cadet's RPF and cleaned up to make a good showing for the nice inspector?

IF (BIG IF) there is an actual school there the kids are certainly not being taught any computer skills. No way they'd want these kids on the internet!

At Flag there are a bunch of young girls from foreign countries working as maids, kitchen staff, etc. Some anon's are checking into the legality of them being brought into the country to do dometic work under the guise of doing voluntary "religious" work. Whole thing stinks to high heaven, but what doesn't in the Co$?

[Terril park]

They must be doing badly then, because I've met the guy who claims to have taken Scn behind the Iron Curtain before the fall of the Soviet Union (Alan Ambrose). Clearly they haven't made much progress in all that time.

Best I know from several sources is that David and Shiela
Gaimen introduced scn to Russia. 1995 or thereabouts.

Was very successful. TwoSt.Hill sized orgs.

Even more successful was the FZ.Originally only dianetics was introduced, the burgeoning russian FZ called toRons Org Europe for |Scientology and the HQScourse was introduced. Now there are around 60 FZ orgs in Russia.

Whnois Alan Ambrose?

[Cat's Squirrel]

Best I know from several sources is that David and Shiela
Gaimen introduced scn to Russia. 1995 or thereabouts.

Was very successful. TwoSt.Hill sized orgs.

Even more successful was the FZ.Originally only dianetics was introduced, the burgeoning russian FZ called toRons Org Europe for |Scientology and the HQScourse was introduced. Now there are around 60 FZ orgs in Russia.

Who is Alan Ambrose?

Yeah the FZ does well over there and Pilot had a group of Russians running his Self Clearing book and sending him queries based on their experiences with it.

I believe Alan is or was a travel courier. I did Harry Palmer's "Avatar" course alongside him in 1992, but his claim to have taken Scientology to 3 Iron Curtain countries and held it there was made before that, in "Reconnection" (the 1980s Independents magazine).

[Terril park]

Yeah the FZ does well over there and Pilot had a group of Russians running his Self Clearing book and sending him queries based on their experiences with it.

I believe Alan is or was a travel courier. I did Harry Palmer's "Avatar" course alongside him in 1992, but his claim to have taken Scientology to 3 Iron Curtain countries and held it there was made before that, in "Reconnection" (the 1980s Independents magazine).

Oh Cool! Did you know these magazines were on Kristi Wachters site?

[Neo]

The Glosslips article on this expose can be Digged here:

http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_s_Child_Labor_Abuse_Exposed

Neo
:)

[asagai]

I've Digged it! :thumbsup:

[quietheart]

dugg

[Pixie]

dugg

Digging as we speak..

[Kookaburra]

The reality of the Melbourne scene is - 1 Class V Org, with currently about 75 on Day and 10 on Fdn. 4 Class V auditors, with 2 more in internships. Both of these 2 have taken 5 years to reach this level. At this rate, even with the numbers already recruited, the Ideal number of auditors is over 5 years away.

1 Mission, which sells maybe half a dozen books per week. 1 Life Improvement centre which does better, especially with the purif.

Between 50-100 (varies weekly) on study per week. Sometimes much less.

About 6 Clears made in the last 5 years.







Although the stats mentioned for Melbourne are not all that good, this is the Birthday Game winning Org for the last 2 years in a row for ANZO. I think they won it 3 out of the last 4 years, coming 2nd the other year. No other Class V Orgs in Australia created any Clears in those 5 years that I am aware of. In fact, most of their PCs come to Melbourne to get audited.



Neo, you've just revealed the real reason why Sea Org members must sign a billion year contract. Forget this sector of the galaxy. It's because it will take that long to clear the planet!!!! :lol:


:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

[Kookaburra]

On a more serious note

Neo, what you have done took a lot of guts and a lot of personal integrity. It generally takes a long time for people coming out of Scientology to start talking, especially to the press, and by then it's often too late. So I commend you. You are saving children from being robbed of their childhood. The ripple effect from your interview will be felt around the world. You can stand proud knowing you did the right thing. :thumbsup:

Over the weekend I had a chat with a friend of mine who is a DOCS lawyer. She said that for those that are now adults who want to take action on the CoS for past abuses, they would have to be willing to be named and go to court.

However, for those that know of things happening currently, all they need to do is call the DOCS helpline and tell them that they know of children working illegally and where they are. And the names of the kids would be helpful but not essential. That is enough information for DOCS to start an investigation.

So for NSW, any ex's here know of kids working in Sydney Org or the AO or CLO? How 'bout the cadet org? If yes, pick up the phone. It's that easy. DOCS HELPLINE 13 2111.

Other states, other countries, you will have some local equivalent. Those who are recently out are the ones who have current data. Please, please share it. Now is the time.

[Free to shine]

Those who are recently out are the ones who have current data. Please, please share it. Now is the time.

Now IS the time! :thumbsup:

[Dulloldfart]

Exactly! In the UK the SO has a long history of faking things for inspections. I understand that Walsh Manor was set up after lies about the numbers berthed at Stonelands was exposed as being higher than the numbers reported by the SO to inspectors!


I thought it got set up after Brook House (big substandard SO berthing place) got burned down accidentally by a squatter. The squatter was a woman who has been in the SO but was "offloaded". Unfortunately she refused to leave the premises. She apparently had been drying some clothing in front of an electric bar heater and it caught fire.

I read a report on this while I was in the HGB. Brook House looked nice from the outside but was the pits inside, with rotten floorboards and so on. I lived there for a year or two in the early 80s.

Paul

[Axiom142]

I thought it got set up after Brook House (big substandard SO berthing place) got burned down accidentally by a squatter. The squatter was a woman who has been in the SO but was "offloaded". Unfortunately she refused to leave the premises. She apparently had been drying some clothing in front of an electric bar heater and it caught fire.

I read a report on this while I was in the HGB. Brook House looked nice from the outside but was the pits inside, with rotten floorboards and so on. I lived there for a year or two in the early 80s.

Paul

I lived in Brook House for a while in ’86. Wasn’t very nice, and very crowded. When I was on the EPF, we had 11 in a room I think, in double bunks and one triple bunk! Not very nice if you fell out of bed! The room would have been OK with 3 single beds.

Yes, rotten floorboards and lumps of plaster falling from the ceiling. Also, no laundry facilities so we had to trek into EG and pay to use the facilities at the launderette. This took up most of our meager ‘pay’. Later, I moved next door to Bullards, this was much better as we only had 6 in our room.

I’d heard that someone was drying their socks on a heater which started the fire. Didn’t realise that they were squatting. Now, why didn’t I think of that (squatting, not starting a fire)? :duh: When I left, I was kicked out on the street with no place to go and no money. :melodramatic:

Do you know what the squatter's name was?

Apparently, the fire was spotted by a foreign guy, who instead of just phoning the fire brigade, ran all the way to St Hill to raise the alarm. After that, they started doing fire drills including “You notice that smoke is billowing down the staircase. There is a phone 10 feet away and the nearest org is 1.5 miles away.
What do you do?”. That sort of thing. :screwy:

The fire was a disaster for the staff. Virtually the whole house was destroyed including all the staff’s personal belongings. No insurance for that of course. For the next few years, staff had to berth all over the town including with public Scieno’s.

I believe that everyone was finally moved to Walsh Manor in ’95. When I saw the accommodation, I was very impressed. Infinitely superior than all the other SO places. Most of the rooms appeared to be two beds, but not sure if that is still the case.

Axiom142

[Tanstaafl]

Ah, Brook House, happy days! :no:

The whole base put in a condition of treason - a tad arbitrary? Of course not. HTFU! How exactly does everyone do the liability formula when everyone is doing the liability formula? :confused2:

Meter checks on "think of lighting a match".

When I got back to my org, someone asked how things were going at SH. I said "The whole base has been assigned treason". He went running around screaming and tearing at his hair, then disappeared a couple of days later, never to return. I'm not exaggerating. That's when I knew CoS was the place for me!

[Dulloldfart]

Later, I moved next door to Bullards, this was much better as we only had 6 in our room.

...

Do you know what the squatter's name was?



No, sorry, I don't know who the squatter was.

I spent several years at Bullards between about 1979 and 1986, with a couple at Brook House in the middle. I was in a dorm, a large room , nice, carpeted, single beds (no bunks), really peaceful with a great countryside view out of the back, the only noise at night an occasional owl hooting. Then I moved to LA, from that scene to the 6th floor at Leb Hall, 12 in the room the same size as the one at Bullards in 3-high bunks, emergency vehicle sirens wailing along Sunset Blvd at night, and then the first night (and a few times a week thereafter), a police helicopter hovering over the complex at 2 or 3 a.m. I think LAPD had a mandate to wake up as many people as possible every night.

Quite a difference from the occasional owl hooting.

Paul

[solo]

Does ANYONE have recent info about SO kids, berthed at Walsh Manor, receiving inadequate schooling (ie no Maths, Arts, Science, Technology etc)? Did you study only LRH tech with no other study materials? We need info, now. Confidentiality absolutely assured.
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