Peter Letterese sues church for $250 million

[nozeno]

So this is what Peters been up to lately. :grouch:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flsdce/0:2008cv61109/318428/1/

[Pliny Younger]

So this is what Peters been up to lately. :grouch:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flsdce/0:2008cv61109/318428/1/

Ahh, yes an FCDC alum

[Axiom142]

So this is what Peters been up to lately. :grouch:

http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/florida/flsdce/0:2008cv61109/318428/1/

Is this a serious attempt at suing the CoS? Does anyone know the background to this?

Sounds rather speculative to me.

Axiom142

[nozeno]

Is this a serious attempt at suing the CoS? Does anyone know the background to this?

Sounds rather speculative to me.

Axiom142

The background is contained in the body of the lawsuit. If you have a good printer you'll have something to do the next time you go to the can besides look at that wall, you'd like to paint someday.

If you know Peter like "we" knew Peter, you'd know he's serious about getting the $$$$$$jing$$$$$. Whether he is as successful in this venture as he was in getting little thetans to part with their trust accounts and life savings in order to move up the bridge, only time will tell.

As my buddy Gobutton, (who directed me to the link on the suit) has suggested recently, Peter has the ability to get in their faces and with enough persistence, that they may eventually pay him "something" to just go away.

Stay tuned.

[alex]

Is this a serious attempt at suing the CoS? Does anyone know the background to this?

Sounds rather speculative to me.

Axiom142

He seems to have a specific enough tort, to wit the campaign to wrest control of Danes intellectual property from his estate...(effective sales closing techniques).

He has thrown the kitchen sink in there, he's suing Google too...

Hope he has money....That is what this kind of case depends on.

alex

[alex]

The background is contained in the body of the lawsuit. If you have a good printer you'll have something to do the next time you go to the can besides look at that wall, you'd like to paint someday.

If you know Peter like "we" knew Peter, you'd know he's serious about getting the $$$$$$jing$$$$$. Whether he is as successful in this venture as he was in getting little thetans to part with their trust accounts and life savings in order to move up the bridge, only time will tell.

As my buddy Gobutton, (who directed me to the link on the suit) has suggested recently, Peter has the ability to get in their faces and with enough persistence, that they may eventually pay him "something" to just go away.

Stay tuned.

If you read the suit, they have already tried to pay him off...

alex

[nozeno]

If you read the suit, they have already tried to pay him off...

alex

Obviously they didn't offer enough for him to go away. So what is your point?

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

The Peter I knew is just after the money. I think he will probably settle. But, it may get a lot of things on the record.
This could turn out to be one nasty adventure for the Church. Putting Cruise's name on a Rico Act conspiracy charge will get some media attention for sure.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Good twin]

Wow. I realy should contact Peter. I have a love hate relationship with him. (depending on which side of the fence he's on or I'm on at the time) I may or may not have information pertinent to his case. :confused2:

[alex]

Obviously they didn't offer enough for him to go away. So what is your point?

That its past the point where he would settle as it was already on the table?

And It will probably now be a grudge match.

Sadly the usual winner in such cases is simply the party with the most money.

alex

[Good twin]

The Peter I knew is just after the money. I think he will probably settle. But, it may get a lot of things on the record.
This could turn out to be one nasty adventure for the Church. Putting Cruise's name on a Rico Act conspiracy charge will get some media attention for sure.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I disagree. It's not just about the money for Peter. It's a pissing contest. PL doesn't initiate a battle that he hasn't researched and armed himself for. The game is afoot. :yes:

[Zinjifar]

That its past the point where he would settle as it was already on the table?

And It will probably now be a grudge match.

Sadly the usual winner in such cases is simply the party with the most money.

alex

Unless of course he can manage to get Scientology's corporate shell game into discovery, or (gasp) attempt to verify Ron's 'will'.

Scientology tends to look for a rock to hide under for either of those questions.

Zinj

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

[QUOTE=Good twin;116392]I disagree. It's not just about the money for Peter. It's a pissing contest. PL doesn't initiate a battle that he hasn't researched and armed himself for. The game is afoot. :yes:[/QUOT

That's good news then. I haven't seen or talk to Peter in over 30 years, so I'm sure I'm wrong. I hope he kicks their asses.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Good twin]

[QUOTE=Good twin;116392]I disagree. It's not just about the money for Peter. It's a pissing contest. PL doesn't initiate a battle that he hasn't researched and armed himself for. The game is afoot. :yes:[/QUOT

That's good news then. I haven't seen or talk to Peter in over 30 years, so I'm sure I'm wrong. I hope he kicks their asses.

The Anabaptist Jacques
Yes, I haven't talked to him in quite awhile myself. But, he got kicked around pretty hard. He even tried to play nice and got burned. He more then likely doesn't know how many allies he actually has. I'm considering getting in direct comm with him. Thinking.................power to PL ...........attacking the church................dunno?.................much to ponder here..............:unsure:

[Axiom142]

I'm not familiar with Peter Letterese.

Can anyone briefly explain who he is and why he is suing?

Thanks,

Axiom142

[Leon]

I think that as of now we should all agree to disconitnue such terms as Church of Scientology, CofS, Sea Org, and so on, and use instead ONLY "International Scientology Crime Syndicate" or "ISCS" as a abbreviation.

[Zinjifar]

I think that as of now we should all agree to disconitnue such terms as Church of Scientology, CofS, Sea Org, and so on, and use instead ONLY "International Scientology Crime Syndicate" or "ISCS" as a abbreviation.

How about: 'The organized criminal expression of L. Ron Hubbard's narcissistic criminal aberration'?

Zinj

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I'm not familiar with Peter Letterese.

Can anyone briefly explain who he is and why he is suing?

Thanks,

Axiom142

You can't explain Peter Leterese briefly.

By the way, does anyone know what happened to his sister Andrea?

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Anne Ominous]

^For those of us that don't know, this is just MORE intriguing!

[popcorn]....

[uncle sam]

and having been on staff with him-this portends to be great entertainment for moi,especially as I'm not named in this suit. LOL:clap: :clap: :clap:

[nozeno]

and having been on staff with him-this portends to be great entertainment for moi,especially as I'm not named in this suit. LOL:clap: :clap: :clap:

I could call Peter and have the complaint amended if you want some more entertainment.

[nozeno]

If you read the suit, they have already tried to pay him off...

alex

Well at the time I made my post I hadn't read the suit in its entirety and I doubt you did either since you responded 1/2 hour later. Maybe you're a speed reader.

If you are referring to Page 6, para 9, (a-c) of the pleading, the "pay off" you may be alluding to relates to earlier attempts by the evil church and all of their co-conspirators to steal the rights from Peter and in my opinion have NOTHING to do with whether or not he will walk away with some money at the conclusion of THIS action.

I still don't see what his refusal to be bought off since 1994 has to do with the present case and the potential to settle out of court if he doesn't get his wish for a jury trail?

If this thing doesn't get thrown out it could be a big pain in the ass for the church we love to hate.

[alex]

Well at the time I made my post I hadn't read the suit in its entirety and I doubt you did either since you responded 1/2 hour later. Maybe you're a speed reader.

If you are referring to Page 6, para 9, (a-c) of the pleading, the "pay off" you may be alluding to relates to earlier attempts by the evil church and all of their co-conspirators to steal the rights from Peter and in my opinion have NOTHING to do with whether or not he will walk away with some money at the conclusion of THIS action.

I still don't see what his refusal to be bought off since 1994 has to do with the present case and the potential to settle out of court if he doesn't get his wish for a jury trail?

If this thing doesn't get thrown out it could be a big pain in the ass for the church we love to hate.

Used to spend a lot of time in a law office and I know how to get the jist of this kinda thing fast.

I dont think the potential to settle doesnt exist....just that the character of it all suggests a grudge match...

I hope he has money. Law suits are a big investment. If he hasnt got a million dollars set asside for his lawyers retainer, expert witness's and discovery, he is dead in the water on this. Did you know that people do actually invest in lawsuits for a portion of the proceeds?

That will make you cynical, knowing!

alex

[nozeno]

Used to spend a lot of time in a law office and I know how to get the jist of this kinda thing fast.

I dont think the potential to settle doesnt exist....just that the character of it all suggests a grudge match...

I hope he has money. Law suits are a big investment. If he hasnt got a million dollars set asside for his lawyers retainer, expert witness's and discovery, he is dead in the water on this. Did you know that people do actually invest in lawsuits for a portion of the proceeds?

That will make you cynical, knowing!

alex

I'm married to a lawyer. Does that make me cynical?

[alex]

I'm married to a lawyer. Does that make me cynical?

It should!

And very scared!

alex

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Does she file your briefs?

The Anabaptist Jacques

[nozeno]

Does she file your briefs?

The Anabaptist JacquesVery funny. No, she washes them and I file them. How are ya doing now TAJ? PM me if your thetan moves ya.


It should!

And very scared!

alex

I hate to admit it, but I feel relatively safe in saying that part of the reason I sealed the deal on the marriage was because I was getting a fair number of these 80 page documents directed at me and I thought..."what the hell, free legal advice."

Nobody ever accused me of being smart, but they never accused me of NOT being cheap either. :omg:

[Free to shine]

Well it all sounds very interesting. If someone has the time to give a brief outline of what on earth it's all about, if possible, that would be great. :)

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Well it all sounds very interesting. If someone has the time to give a brief outline of what on earth it's all about, if possible, that would be great. :)

I haven't read the whole legal statement, but the point is that Peter Letterese is suing the Church under the RICO Act. RICO means Racketeering and Influence Corruption. It was set up to go after the mafia. Peter is suing because the Church has probaly been harrassing him because he owns the copyright to Big League Sales which is considered vital to Scientologist. They have or had courses based around it.
If he wins a RICO lawsuit I think the Feds would have to step in if there is proof of crimes. But I am not a lawyer and I don't even watch them on TV.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Free to shine]

I haven't read the whole legal statement, but the point is that Peter Letterese is suing the Church under the RICO Act. RICO means Racketeering and Influence Corruption. It was set up to go after the mafia. Peter is suing because the Church has probaly been harrassing him because he owns the copyright to Big League Sales which is considered vital to Scientologist. They have or had courses based around it.
If he wins a RICO lawsuit I think the Feds would have to step in if there is proof of crimes. But I am not a lawyer and I don't even watch them on TV.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Ah! Thanks, now I see why this is so big. :)

[sallydannce]

How I hate legal docs - so long, so many words!

I know nothing about this chap Peter Letterese but something is telling me that there is much more to this than meets the eye.

From what I have read of the filing doc, this is one serious mother of a law suit. Either this Letterese chap is bat-shit crazy or he has a whole deck of cards sitting in the wings just ready to play. Not necessarily directly related to this case.

Something is telling me that this is going to dovetail into something else very big. Corporate scientology has made some serious enemies over the years & they have not become visible yet. IMO it has only been a waiting game before the big enemies reveal themselves and slap the shit out of scientology.

You cannot realistically piss off as many people, hurt as many people, as scientology has, without some serious backlash.

I am very excited about this law suit.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I think so too. At first I thought Peter was just out for a quick settlement. But I haven't seen him in 30 years, and someone who has says he's for real on this. So he is serious. I am sure it is well thought out. It may turn out to be the dream we've all been waiting for.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Escalus]

I think so too. At first I thought Peter was just out for a quick settlement. But I haven't seen him in 30 years, and someone who has says he's for real on this. So he is serious. I am sure it is well thought out. It may turn out to be the dream we've all been waiting for.

The Anabaptist Jacques

If he's the same Peter Letterese I knew - it's ALL about the money. Whatever happened to his sister? She's the person who convinced me to fork over my "freeloader debt" 33 years ago. Hmmm... runs in the family I'm thinkin.

[Anon678_]

Sorry to spoil your party, but enturb thinks his case is a dog and Co$ could clean him up for their legal costs.

[nozeno]

Sorry to spoil your party, but enturb thinks his case is a dog and $os could clean him up for their legal costs.

Well that settles it then. Good night, thanks for coming.

[Escalus]

Sorry to spoil your party, but enturb thinks his case is a dog and $os could clean him up for their legal costs.

Good analysis by the lawyerfags over there on this one to be sure. Who mentioned he turned down a settlement though? or am I just having a flashback??

[nozeno]

Good analysis by the lawyerfags over there on this one to be sure. Who mentioned he turned down a settlement though? or am I just having a flashback??

Analysis? What analysis? I just got back from enturb. It smells like a boys locker room over there.

I saw a lot of claims about Petey's sanity and why the lawsuit wouldn't survive a RICO claim, but no analysis.

I don't know whether it will survive or it won't but I think I'll wait to see what the United States District Court Southern District of Florida has to say about it.

[Anon678_]

Analysis? What analysis?



tl;dr This lawsuit may have entertainment value for anyone amused by legal kookery; it is likely to disappoint in terms of having any serious impact on Scientology.

First, Peter Letterese is a known nutcase. His prior legal exploits involve threatening to sue every person online who had a copy of Steven Fishman's Lonesome Squirrel and the Fishman Affidavit, claiming it was defamatory. While Fishman's factual claims in Lonesome Squirrel are highly questionable and, indeed, probably defamatory, hosting the document itself is probably not going to constitute defamation. As he is suing about the copyright to Les Dane's works, he has already lost his lawsuit on this subject. It seems unlikely the court will allow the issue to be relitigated in the guise of a RICO racketeering suit.

Second, he may be pro se. While this is not always indication of being a kook, in combination with actually being a kook, I would say that this indicates a nearly 100% certainty of the suit being a kook suit, especially in this case, where Letterese has been involved in 78 docketed cases in federal and state courts, and 19 just in the last year and this year to date. It appears he is involved in ongoing personal as well as corporate bankruptcy litigation. Lately, he seems to sue Scientology, former business associates, and possibly other random people unfortunate enough to encounter him.

Regarding the pro se issue, the docket indicates he has a lawyer. The lawyer signature page is missing from the main complaint at Letterese et al v. Church of Scientology International, Inc. et al Document 1 - :: Justia Docs but if you look at the site, it's been incorrectly attached as the first page of "Attachment 1." It appears to be Charles D. Franken. I am, however, skeptical that any lawyer really wrote this. It reads exactly like other material written by Letterese.

Third, I've tried to read the complaint. It's virtually unintelligible. I defy anyone with or without legal training to read this document and ascertain what legal claims are being made. I doubt the court will be able to ascertain exactly what Letterese is talking about either.

I anticipate most of this suit will be dismissed under FRCP 12(b)(6) (failure to state a claim) as well as res judicata (i.e. this has already been decided). I wouldn't be surprised if Letterese is sanctioned for it, too, or ends up being ordered to pay the cult's costs. There's a claim in the complaint that Scientology has spent something like a million defending against Letterese's suits. Considering they are complete slam-dunk dogs, this is massive overspending, and they're unlikely to get it all, but they're likely to be vengeful about swatting a fly. They have so few wins these days that I suppose they really want to milk them.

Copy-pasted for the analysis-recognition impaired.

[Escalus]

Analysis? What analysis? I just got back from enturb. It smells like a boys locker room over there.

I saw a lot of claims about Petey's sanity and why the lawsuit wouldn't survive a RICO claim, but no analysis.

I don't know whether it will survive or it won't but I think I'll wait to see what the United States District Court Southern District of Florida has to say about it.

Sidestep the memes and stay with it noz. I wuvs me my Chianons. I just do whatever Daywatch says. :coolwink: But seriously, that's an intense resource. I spend more time there than here, I'll say that much.

But who is going to tell me what happened to Pete's sister, Andrea? Anything?

[nozeno]

Copy-pasted for the analysis-recognition impaired.

I've been impaired quite a few times in my life but I wasn't impaired when I read this your Honor.

I've also heard a lot of predictions about the outcomes of lawsuits from a lot of smart lawyers and I'm not saying that your "legal analyst" isn't smart, I'm just sayin' some of them don't write so well, and some of them don't predict so good, so what?

I DID read the entire compliant and I'll admit it wasn't a riveting read but it's not the first bad one I've read.

I'd also like to see some reference to this claim made in the analysis "First, Peter Letterese is a known nutcase." This could be more of the character assassination asserted in the complaint. Maybe your legal analyst is really a dentist.

If anyone wants to know if Charles D. Franken wrote the complaint, why don't you just call him? http://yp.bellsouth.com/sites/cdfranken/

I'm not quite ready to suckle at the teat of your friends opinion.

I rest my case.

[nozeno]

But who is going to tell me what happened to Pete's sister, Andrea? Anything?

I banged her..... ummm I mean made love to her, and shortly after that she blew.

My guess is that she had the cognition that sex with me and scientology wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I think she is in a nunnery somewhere in Guatamala or she could be helping Peter write his legal briefs which ain't so brief as you well know.

So solly, it's an old joke but maybe there is one person out there who hasn't heard it.

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

July 8, 2008

CREATIVE DESPERATION [Peetah's latest company]: Court Questions Assets & Debts Disclosure

The Hon. John K. Olson of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the
Southern District of Florida will hold a hearing on July 22, 2008,
to determine whether or not Creative Desperation Inc. should
remain in bankruptcy, Mike Schoeck writes for The Deal.

On July 22, Judge Olson will hold a status conference to
investigate why the Debtor filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy on June
30 and listed $501 million in assets and only $2.5 million in
debts, The Deal says.

The Deal notes that the Debtor's type of operation is unclear.
Based on court documents filed under a 2007 litigation against the
Debtor's founder, Peter Letterese, The Deal relates that Creative
Desperation, dba Galileo Systems International, conducts holistic
martial arts seminars.

Mr. Letterese sued four creditors of Creative Desperation
demanding $250 million injunction, The Deal writes. The latest
lawsuit was filed by with the U.S. District Court for the Southern
District of Florida against Kendrick Moxon, Esq., at Moxon &
Kobrin PA, who represents the Church of Scientology International,
The Deal says. The church and Creative Desperation are involved
in a pending $300,000 copyright infringement case, The Deal adds.

Court documents show that Mr. Letterese filed the lawsuits based
on the belief that the dental practices of Dr. Marc Schwartz of
Belmont, Calif., Dr. Scott Brady of Castle Rock, Colo., and Dr.
Douglas Ness of Anchorage conspired with Mr. Moxon in an probe
against Mr. Letterese, The Deal notes. The doctors have asserted
disputed claims against Creative Desperation in amounts ranging
from $300,000 to $350,000, The Deal says.

Creative Desperation, according to the Deal, is owed an undisputed
claim of $1 million.

The Deal reveals that Mr. Letterese was previously connected with
the Church of Scientology in the 1970s.

About Creative Desperation

Weston, Florida-based Creative Desperation Inc., dba Galileo
Systems International, was founded by Peter Letterese. Creative
Desperation has changed its name six times. Its other names
include Peter Letterese & Associates Inc., Safepoint Family
Training, Buildstrong International and S.A.V.E. International.

The Debtor filed its chapter 11 petition on June 30, 2008 (Bankr.
S.D. Fla. Case No. 08-19067). Judge John K. Olson presides over
the case. Charles D. Franken, Esq., represents the Debtor in its
restructuring efforts. The Debtor listed total assets of
$501,000,050 and total liabilities of $2,552,400 when it filed for
bankruptcy.

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

This link has other interesting links, but does not mention TOM CRUISE being named in the suit, as well as DM (suing midgets?).

Peetah sounds Type III to me.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/google_yahoo_an.html

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/69e0a47019277f5f/f264cf740d68c063?lnk=raot

Yeah, Peetah is brilliant, and Alex should reread the complaint.

[Anne Ominous]

I still have really no idea who this guy is, but he seems to have some mythical history of legal tourettes, which would put him perfectly in line with the CoS in my view.

This could still play out to be very interesting if nothing else, and a wonderful waste of time for the lovely Ava, Kendrick, and Helena.

(reaches for more popcorn...)

[Good twin]

I still have really no idea who this guy is, but he seems to have some mythical history of legal tourettes, which would put him perfectly in line with the CoS in my view.

This could still play out to be very interesting if nothing else, and a wonderful waste of time for the lovely Ava, Kendrick, and Helena.

(reaches for more popcorn...)

He was in DC in the 70s. Registrar extrordiniare. He joined the SO and did a short stint there. He landed in So Florida and took over as ED if Ft Lauderadle missionin the 80s. (as Ex SO this was off policy and highly irregular) Got busted outta Ft Laud for falsifying stats (among other things). Got into business consulting and moved to the country. Then of course procurred the rights to BLS and probably a whole array of various schemes. This guy is very high energy and considers himself a big player whether he is or not. He may be crazy, but I'm not convinced. It's also true that money seems to be a strong motivation for Peter, but personally I think it's more than that for him. He really HAS to be "Big Dog". I think it's just in him to need that. He is an alpha personality and when that gets tromped on he looks for the conspiracy and starts to conspire. That's my opinion. I hope he's not type 3. But who knows? The church really has been beating him up for years. BTW I don't know his sister.

[nozeno]

He was in DC in the 70s. Registrar extrordiniare. He joined the SO and did a short stint there. He landed in So Florida and took over as ED if Ft Lauderadle missionin the 80s. (as Ex SO this was off policy and highly irregular) Got busted outta Ft Laud for falsifying stats (among other things). Got into business consulting and moved to the country. Then of course procurred the rights to BLS and probably a whole array of various schemes. This guy is very high energy and considers himself a big player whether he is or not. He may be crazy, but I'm not convinced. It's also true that money seems to be a strong motivation for Peter, but personally I think it's more than that for him. He really HAS to be "Big Dog". I think it's just in him to need that. He is an alpha personality and when that gets tromped on he looks for the conspiracy and starts to conspire. That's my opinion. I hope he's not type 3. But who knows? The church really has been beating him up for years. BTW I don't know his sister.

There is no such thing as Type 3. That's just hubbard and GoButton's imagination.

[uncle sam]

knowing Peter and Andrea very well and some of the posters this is "good old fashion scientology fun"- ya got it all- the law- lots of $$$- the cos- Letteresse-$$$$- legal suits- posters who know our boy- crime- rico-$$$$$-etc etc- great stuff!!!
Thank you sweet Jesus! LOL:happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

Actively insane.

Suing Tom Cruise in a RICO suit connecting Yahoo, Google, DM, Moxon's law firm (there's a winner), Moxon, and a few Scio corporations into a gigantic conspiracy against him and some of his clients in his former adventures. And simultaneously doing a bankruptcy suit where he claims net worth of $498 million, give or take...

Paranoid, delusional, thinks he'll win, doesn't read his Unabomber text or clarify his nonsensical diagrams....... yeah, he's sane all right.

[nozeno]

Actively insane.

Suing Tom Cruise in a RICO suit connecting Yahoo, Google, DM, Moxon's law firm (there's a winner), Moxon, and a few Scio corporations into a gigantic conspiracy against him and some of his clients in his former adventures. And simultaneously doing a bankruptcy suit where he claims net worth of $498 million, give or take...

Paranoid, delusional, thinks he'll win, doesn't read his Unabomber text or clarify his nonsensical diagrams....... yeah, he's sane all right.

Thanks for the clarification GButton. I thought you went back to the Dark Side there for a minute.

[Zinjifar]

It's really pretty normal for a lawsuit to throw everything and the kitchen sink just to see what sticks, and, let the court whittle it down to something manageable. The theory being, if you don't claim and demand up front, it'll be too late to add things later.

Naturally, this can look pretty insane, but, also, can backfire badly, like Michael Pattinson's lawsuit.

Zinj

[uncle sam]

If you want to know about Peter's dearest sister "Andrea" who used to be a good friend of mine. You need to google "Ford Schwartz" - he married Andrea in the mid 70's- they reportedly tried suicide -then they became big time spies for the guardian office- then switched back - then got interviewed by Jon Stossel- then I became bored with all this and will resume later. But this is all so much fun- old FCDC the founding church - provides to this day-lots of laughs and tears- but not mine- what a cast of "forked up thetans ". Thank sweet Jesus- that I haven't hurt myself by falling out of my chair by laughing so hard. LOL:yes: :yes: :yes:

[byte301]

knowing Peter and Andrea very well and some of the posters this is "good old fashion scientology fun"- ya got it all- the law- lots of $$$- the cos- Letteresse-$$$$- legal suits- posters who know our boy- crime- rico-$$$$$-etc etc- great stuff!!!
Thank you sweet Jesus! LOL:happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

Don't forget the sex!! It's bound to come out that Nozeno banged Andrea!! I want a front row seat. :drama:

Besides, it's a thorn in davey's ass so that speaks to me. And ya never know...after all, OJ was found innocent! :D

[Wisened One]

I think we knew of Peter....I believe he used to fsm or be Public at Miami...not sure tho? :screwy:

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

If you want to know about Peter's dearest sister "Andrea" who used to be a good friend of mine. You need to google "Ford Schwartz" - he married Andrea in the mid 70's-

And here's Ford, selling Toyotas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBN5YNJ8Y2Y&feature=related

[ScudMuffin]

we need anon and exscis in the court house with the popcorn. This looks to be fun :D

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

http://www.xenutv.com/us/2020-1.htm

[nozeno]

If you want to know about Peter's dearest sister "Andrea" who used to be a good friend of mine. You need to google "Ford Schwartz" - he married Andrea in the mid 70's-

And here's Ford, selling Toyotas!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBN5YNJ8Y2Y&feature=related

Well he obviously read Big League Sales Closing Techniques.

[alex]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/69e0a47019277f5f/f264cf740d68c063?lnk=raot

Yeah, Peetah is brilliant, and Alex should reread the complaint.

Betcha a dollar the court will not certify it as RICO. He's got a tort, but there is no clear pattern of criminal behavior.

Unless he has big money to bring in some heavy artillery, I bet it wont go anywhere.

alex

[uncle sam]

There was an elderly woman who had some $- her name was "Helen Lane" and then there was a young male reg who did the dirty with old Helen- name that reg? Hint- he had a sister on staff and that same reg tried to marry other women while still married. Geez the ole time memories are stirrin..... Gotta luv this thread- and I did hurt myself banging the desk in laughter....lol:woohoo: :cheerleader: :cheers2:

[Zinjifar]

Betcha a dollar the court will not certify it as RICO. He's got a tort, but there is no clear pattern of criminal behavior.

Unless he has big money to bring in some heavy artillery, I bet it wont go anywhere.

alex

Civil RICO cases are extremely difficult, even in cases where the finances aren't as lopsided as a private citizen vs. a billion-dollar cult with a history of secrecy and paranoia and corruption.

And, the reason for that is that private citizens just don't have the access to investigation and discovery that's necessary, nor do they have the means to manipulate the courts and witnesses that money and unscrupulousness grant.

Which is why the real necessity is for a *criminal* RICO prosecution, because, there is little doubt that the 'Church' of Scientology qualifies for practically every aspect of racketeering and corrupt organization, but, proving so in a court of law is something that would require actual investigation, subpoena and contempt of court powers.

So, the purpose of *all* anti-Scientology activity is to help Scientology crawl out from under its comfy rock into the light of day; be seen and recognized for the malicious and criminal entity it is to the point where the agencies entrusted with watchdogging such activities can no longer turn a convenient blind eye. Face it, even taking on the mafia was something law enforcement avoided for decades, and, Scientology is both less influential and more difficult to penetrate.

But, all that said, civil actions by private citizens, although almost certainly futile are welcome, because, every little bit helps. Much of the exposure of the Cult is a direct result of such private actions, which, while not ultimately 'successful' (The Cult is still there) have brought out the kind of information that is now snowballing and creating the broad public awareness that's necessary, and, I for one welcome every little bit more.

The camel's carrying a heavy load and none of us can predict which straw it will be that finally hits critical mass.

Zinj

[byte301]

There was an elderly woman who had some $- her name was "Helen Lane" and then there was a young male reg who did the dirty with old Helen- name that reg? Hint- he had a sister on staff and that same reg tried to marry other women while still married. Geez the ole time memories are stirrin..... Gotta luv this thread- and I did hurt myself banging the desk in laughter....lol:woohoo: :cheerleader: :cheers2:

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[nozeno]

Civil RICO cases are extremely difficult, even in cases where the finances aren't as lopsided as a private citizen vs. a billion-dollar cult with a history of secrecy and paranoia and corruption.

And, the reason for that is that private citizens just don't have the access to investigation and discovery that's necessary, nor do they have the means to manipulate the courts and witnesses that money and unscrupulousness grant.

Which is why the real necessity is for a *criminal* RICO prosecution, because, there is little doubt that the 'Church' of Scientology qualifies for practically every aspect of racketeering and corrupt organization, but, proving so in a court of law is something that would require actual investigation, subpoena and contempt of court powers.

So, the purpose of *all* anti-Scientology activity is to help Scientology crawl out from under its comfy rock into the light of day; be seen and recognized for the malicious and criminal entity it is to the point where the agencies entrusted with watchdogging such activities can no longer turn a convenient blind eye. Face it, even taking on the mafia was something law enforcement avoided for decades, and, Scientology is both less influential and more difficult to penetrate.

But, all that said, civil actions by private citizens, although almost certainly futile are welcome, because, every little bit helps. Much of the exposure of the Cult is a direct result of such private actions, which, while not ultimately 'successful' (The Cult is still there) have brought out the kind of information that is now snowballing and creating the broad public awareness that's necessary, and, I for one welcome every little bit more.

The camel's carrying a heavy load and none of us can predict which straw it will be that finally hits critical mass.

Zinj

Some good points Zinj, but remember Peetah can't bring a criminal action only the guvmint can do that.

To use the analogy of a parent child relationship. If scientology is the parent and Peetah is the child, he is only doing what he was taught by mom and pop. The provision in the RICO Act which allows private parties to sue is the right ammunition for him to poke the beast in the eye and hopefully give them a little taste of their own medicine in my opinion.

If this case is not thrown out, some of the charges in his complaint open doors we all know they don't want opened.

[Zinjifar]

Some good points Zinj, but remember Peetah can't bring a criminal action only the guvmint can do that.

To use the analogy of a parent child relationship. If scientology is the parent and Peetah is the child, he is only doing what he was taught by mom and pop. The provision in the RICO Act which allows private parties to sue is the right ammunition for him to poke the beast in the eye and hopefully give them a little taste of their own medicine in my opinion.

If this case is not thrown out, some of the charges in his complaint open doors we all know they don't want opened.

That's kind of the point. I'm appreciative of almost all action taken by individuals, regardless of the superficial futility. That said, there are some considerations about counter-productive action, and, there are some things that *can* be done, but, shouldn't.

A case that would end up in a legal precedent that makes further actions more difficult could be one, or, the 'activism' of a Fred Durks, which taints the rest of the effort. To some extent, even Bob Minton's efforts, which, while being admirable and well intentioned, also resulted in negative effects that should have been predictable, had they been planned with less hubris.

I'm glad that 'Anon' caught on to some of the pitfalls early enough that their efforts have become so overwhelmingly valuable.

Will Peter's lawsuit be a net positive or negative? I sincerely hope and expect that it will be positive, although futile in a 'legal' sense. I'm thumbs up all the way and grateful that someone is willing to invest the effort and money into the process.

Zinj

[Lee_from_phx]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395274,00.html

A ex clam is suing the cult for 250 million, and using RICO statutes to do it.

In the words of Nelson Muntz:

"Ha Ha!"

[Rene Descartes]

Back in the mid 80s there was a seminar in New York City that used the book by Les Dane that is mentioned early in the brief. The patters that are in the book were covered. The techniques were drilled.

I know people that went to it. There were Scientologists and non-Scientologists.

At the end of the seminar Success Stories were written by the Scientologists and were coaxed from the non-Scientologists.

/laugh out loud

Rd00

[outlawgal]

I was FSC EUS, and I worked with both Peter and Dave Richards (CO, FCDC) on a great many sales to folks for combined FCDC/Flag packages. I remember Peter as an honorable pirate, which on good days is how I remember myself.

Big League Sales is an amazing book. Truly, the author Les Dane nailed a series of sales techniques that are pretty much infallible. As long as the person sitting in front of you has the money, there's gonna be an extremely good chance you can get it simply by using the techniques in that book. One of the techniques is "double teaming." Peter and I did that.

When lrh found out how crackerjack cool this book was, he ordered that the church buy the copyright. I didn't know it was Peter who holds it. That's a major hoot, and must make Peter smile a lot. I was on the mission out of FOLO EUS in NY to get the books printed in Nyack, NY and shipped out to orgs around the world so that all regges could train on "The Big League Sales" course that became mandatory for every reg hat pack. BLS is part of standard admin church canon.

You can't find a copy of BLS today for less than $500 or so. Really, check out e-bay. But for those who are interested in a truly cool and even highly ethical guide to sales, there's a later version that's more available. When Les Dane found out how many copies of his book were being sold after he'd sold the rights to it... he got pissed off and in 1978, he wrote "Surefire Sales Closing Techniques," which I think is even better than BLS. I found my copy for about $50. Some Amazon stores sell it, as does e-Bay.

I always thought Peter was a good guy, a nice guy. Here's what makes me sad about all this: there are thousands of scilons around the world who never knew Peter Letterese, and now they hate him with a passion. That so sucks. If anyone is in touch with Peter, please let him know I'm wishing him comfort and strength and a good sense of humor.

xo

outlaw

[uncle sam]

I was FSC EUS, and I worked with both Peter and Dave Richards (CO, FCDC) on a great many sales to folks for combined FCDC/Flag packages. I remember Peter as an honorable pirate, which on good days is how I remember myself.

Big League Sales is an amazing book. Truly, the author Les Dane nailed a series of sales techniques that are pretty much infallible. As long as the person sitting in front of you has the money, there's gonna be an extremely good chance you can get it simply by using the techniques in that book. One of the techniques is "double teaming." Peter and I did that.

When lrh found out how crackerjack cool this book was, he ordered that the church buy the copyright. I didn't know it was Peter who holds it. That's a major hoot, and must make Peter smile a lot. I was on the mission out of FOLO EUS in NY to get the books printed in Nyack, NY and shipped out to orgs around the world so that all regges could train on "The Big League Sales" course that became mandatory for every reg hat pack. BLS is part of standard admin church canon.

You can't find a copy of BLS today for less than $500 or so. Really, check out e-bay. But for those who are interested in a truly cool and even highly ethical guide to sales, there's a later version that's more available. When Les Dane found out how many copies of his book were being sold after he'd sold the rights to it... he got pissed off and in 1978, he wrote "Surefire Sales Closing Techniques," which I think is even better than BLS. I found my copy for about $50. Some Amazon stores sell it, as does e-Bay.

I always thought Peter was a good guy, a nice guy. Here's what makes me sad about all this: there are thousands of scilons around the world who never knew Peter Letterese, and now they hate him with a passion. That so sucks. If anyone is in touch with Peter, please let him know I'm wishing him comfort and strength and a good sense of humor.

xo

outlaw

I am very glad that Peter has a friend in you-you are right in the fact that Peter doesn't deserve to be "hated". What Peter did-is exactly what the cos wanted him to do-get the $$$$-he did-he had no reservations-no qualms- and absolutely no ethics! How do I know this-I regged Peter when he first came in the door at old fcdc. I trained him. I was his roomate. I know Peter very well. I don't hate Peter-we shared many laughs and reg commissions- I don't like to think that I gave him the OK to "brainwash" the public with outright lies on the efficacy of scn tech. He was without peer in his ability garner every last cent out of the public. He was "The Reg".

[uncle sam]

Does anybody remember Peter's first wife "Mary"?
I would wager that Anabaptist might. What became of her? It would be easy for her to be over shadowed by Peter's reputation. She was no slouch-she always got what she wanted-she seemed shy but that belied her nature. Where is she? And what is she doing? I liked her.

[Good twin]

It's funny. I learned so much from Peter Letterese. He really is a larger than life character. The Abbreviation PL is well understood to any FESer in the EUS.

I only have learned to appreciate him since being out. He is truly a very able guy. He really can get a product. I would love to just hang out with him without any agenda. That's kind of hard to imagine, though. Don't know his earlier wives, but was good buddies with his current, Barbara.:yes:

[Poofy]

I do not know if anyone's seen this yet, but Peter Letterese is suing the Church of Scientology and Tom Cruise for $250 million.

http://www.businesssheet.com/2008/7/scientology-is-a-crime-syndicate-says-former-member-sues-church-and-tom-cruise-for-250-million

[klidov]

I do not know if anyone's seen this yet, but Peter Letterese is suing the Church of Scientology and Tom Cruise for $250 million.

http://www.businesssheet.com/2008/7/scientology-is-a-crime-syndicate-says-former-member-sues-church-and-tom-cruise-for-250-million

:dancer: :dancer: :dancer: :dancer: :dance3: :party:

[Poofy]

I did check on google news before I posted so it looks like this is legitimate. Best of luck to him though. It'll be a hard fight.

[Anon678_]

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=6780

[The Oracle]

Peter came to my mission in the mid 80's.

He was all the rage about being the top reg on the planet.

At the time I was living on a Yaht at the Manhattan Boat Basin with Roland Stears (from Bear and Stearns), son, Bobby.

Yes, we were living on a Yaht there.

I took Bobby into the mission and left him in the care of Peter, as I was assured Peter would find his ruin and get him on the bridge.

Six hours later I returned to the Yaht to find Bobby on the floor in tears.

Peter caved him in by ser facing on him for HOURS about the fact that we had several rottweilers on the estate in Connecticut for security.

That little son of a bitch named Peter Letterice only was involved with Church activities when it meant a dollar in his pocket or the power to be sadistic unchecked.

I'm sorry but the truth is thruth.

Peter Letterice was a little sadistic criminal when I knew him.

T.O.

[Smitty]

Peter came to my mission in the mid 80's.
He was all the rage about being the top reg on the planet.
At the time I was living on a Yaht at the Manhattan Boat Basin with Roland Stears (from Bear and Stearns), son, Bobby.
Yes, we were living on a Yaht there.
I took Bobby into the mission and left him in the care of Peter, as I was assured Peter would find his ruin and get him on the bridge.
Six hours later I returned to the Yaht to find Bobby on the floor in tears.
Peter caved him in by ser facing on him for HOURS about the fact that we had several rottweilers on the estate in Connecticut for security.
That little son of a bitch named Peter Letterice only was involved with Church activities when it meant a dollar in his pocket or the power to be sadistic unchecked.
I'm sorry but the truth is thruth.
Peter Letterice was a little sadistic criminal when I knew him.
T.O.

No, what he did is not at all criminal. He was merely following Hubbard's precept, "Never fear to hurt another in a just cause."
Smitty

[The Oracle]

No, what he did is not at all criminal. He was merely following Hubbard's precept, "Never fear to hurt another in a just cause."
Smitty

Hey, you know, read all over the internet, I was in the sEA oRG SIX Fkn years and you will not find one negative report about me. I did not abuse anyone with my status. Ever. Never sat on a comm ev.

Just because Peter was impressionable does not excuse his mental abuse on others.

That guy was a pimp full blown and blew all of WAll street OFF OF MISSION LINES.

hE WAS SADISTIC WITH HIS POWER.

If you can excuse that good for you.

He violated my trust .

He never worked a day for free.

There is not a former Sea Org member on this forum that would back him up.

I would go to court myself and testify against that little Hiltler.

Do you want the truth or do you just want to be right and make others wrong?

T.O.

[nozeno]

Peter came to my mission in the mid 80's.

He was all the rage about being the top reg on the planet.

At the time I was living on a Yaht at the Manhattan Boat Basin with Roland Stears (from Bear and Stearns), son, Bobby.

Yes, we were living on a Yaht there.

I took Bobby into the mission and left him in the care of Peter, as I was assured Peter would find his ruin and get him on the bridge.

Six hours later I returned to the Yaht to find Bobby on the floor in tears.

Peter caved him in by ser facing on him for HOURS about the fact that we had several rottweilers on the estate in Connecticut for security.

That little son of a bitch named Peter Letterice only was involved with Church activities when it meant a dollar in his pocket or the power to be sadistic unchecked.

I'm sorry but the truth is thruth.

Peter Letterice was a little sadistic criminal when I knew him.

T.O.

I can see all these years in the cult haven't improved your ability to spell.

Did your dictionary fall overboard?

yacht (yät)n. Any of various relatively small sailing or motor-driven vessels, generally with smart graceful lines, used for pleasure cruises or racing.

intr.v. yacht·ed, yacht·ing, yachts To sail, cruise, or race in a yacht.


Yes, my anus is retentive about spelling.

[uncle sam]

I can see all these years in the cult haven't improved your ability to spell.

Did your dictionary fall overboard?

yacht (yät)n. Any of various relatively small sailing or motor-driven vessels, generally with smart graceful lines, used for pleasure cruises or racing.

intr.v. yacht·ed, yacht·ing, yachts To sail, cruise, or race in a yacht.


Yes, my anus is retentive about spelling.

Holy Cow-Nozeno- I have never ever seen or heard you bust'em this bad. You know that I know that we both have a very very good friend who is lucky to spell his name correctly and yet this harmless gent who has a legitimate complaint against Peter [one of our own] becomes a victim of your innate "ruthlessness". Whatever happened to the Nozeno of the age of Aquarius?

[nozeno]

Holy Cow-Nozeno- I have never ever seen or heard you bust'em this bad. You know that I know that we both have a very very good friend who is lucky to spell his name correctly and yet this harmless gent who has a legitimate complaint against Peter [one of our own] becomes a victim of your innate "ruthlessness". Whatever happened to the Nozeno of the age of Aquarius?

Still here baby.

I was abused in grade school by vicious English and Math teachers.

http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/postcards/haight-hippie.jpg

[uncle sam]

That's a really good picture of you. And thank you for washing your face-you look clean, nice for a change. But the point remains - you really should get your tongue pierced - I know for a fact that your wife has been looking forward for what the piercing will do for your relationship.
Should we still invite Letterese to the big party? He's kind of a cult figure now-which has always been his dream-- Peter likes to be seen as bigger than- shit just about - bigger than anyone else. Well - Helen Lane knows about that-ugh?

[The Oracle]

I can see all these years in the cult haven't improved your ability to spell.

Did your dictionary fall overboard?

yacht (yät)n. Any of various relatively small sailing or motor-driven vessels, generally with smart graceful lines, used for pleasure cruises or racing.

intr.v. yacht·ed, yacht·ing, yachts To sail, cruise, or race in a yacht.


Yes, my anus is retentive about spelling.

All my years of exploring have least taken me above the urge to indulge in sadism.

Also to know enough about boats to know what people who spell YAHT wise are talking about, with houseboats.

http://www.norcalmarine.com/photos.nxg

Explore a picture education.


T.O.

[nozeno]

All my years of exploring have least taken me above the urge to indulge in sadism.

Also to know enough about boats to know what people who spell YAHT wise are talking about, with houseboats.

http://www.norcalmarine.com/photos.nxg

Explore a picture education.


T.O.

OK.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Does anybody remember Peter's first wife "Mary"?
I would wager that Anabaptist might. What became of her? It would be easy for her to be over shadowed by Peter's reputation. She was no slouch-she always got what she wanted-she seemed shy but that belied her nature. Where is she? And what is she doing? I liked her.

She's cool. I always liked her. I think she is in Georgia (USA) now. She married Marty Sprung. They moved to Israel and she changed her name to Miriam. She divorced Marty and remarried. She is still cool. I know one of her sons. He is a good kid too.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Long Gone]

She's cool. I always liked her. I think she is in Georgia (USA) now. She married Marty Sprung. They moved to Israel and she changed her name to Miriam. She divorced Marty and remarried. She is still cool. I know one of her sons. He is a good kid too.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I never knew that Mary Sprung had once been married to Letteresse.

Marty Sprung - now that was a wound-up guy.

[uncle sam]

mental image pictures. I recall Marty Sprung being carried out of the "S" st org for being an SP - he was not happy and was fighting to stay. O'vey!

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

... once told me long ago that Mary Sprung was quite talented in the oral sense.

[GoButtonIsBlowButton]

Peetah has a white on black press release -- we're all going to be rich!!

www.peterletterese.com

He be an impatient activator, donchaknow.

[Wisened One]

Well, HEY there, gobutton....you been a stranger, lately, huh? That's good that you have a life, unlike some of us....:whistling: