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Wisened One
11th August 2008, 04:17 PM
Started a thread so Emma could place any/all the posts of our fellow comrades (and others...) who have passed on, Staff/SO, current and/or X's, celebs,etc.. scn or not.

Maybe if we made RIP Threads for all the various Orgs/AO's that would help people look up those they knew?

For now, let's place them all here....

RIP!

:rose:

From my Org (Miami):

Claire Jeans, Qual Sec
Tom Madigan, HGC Auditor
Rick CoCo, Public
Dave Tomberlin, Former Purif I/C, Auditor, Public.

(there are more, will add soon).

Dulloldfart
11th August 2008, 04:22 PM
Good idea.

Paul

solo
11th August 2008, 04:46 PM
Good idea. Have posted some of this info elsewhere, but old friends I know of who have passed on are:

John Harvey (AOSHUK)
Arthur Cusworth (AOSHUK)
Amir Geuron (NOTs auditor)
Pamela Harris/Flood/Thompson (originally Leeds Mission)
Howard Thompson (was ED Leeds Mission)
Shiona Fox-Ness (FOLOUK?)

RIP

Solo

solo
11th August 2008, 06:29 PM
Sorry, how could I forget Alastair Guy, was Treas Sec AOSHUK

RIP

Solo

grundy
11th August 2008, 06:44 PM
Enid Byrne, Registrar AOLA

RIP

asagai
11th August 2008, 07:24 PM
Phil Stannard
Steve Bisbey

Both UK scientologists. RIP.

thetanic
11th August 2008, 07:25 PM
Enid Byrne, Registrar AOLA

RIP



Awww, when did she die?

xwc
11th August 2008, 09:31 PM
Paul Armstrong (CosMod ... Mission of Davis), both Davis and Sacramento

Pixie
11th August 2008, 11:41 PM
An excellent idea WO. A restful still and silent thread for them all to mingle and relax. May they all rest in deep peace and love and I hope also having some fun and much freedom. :yes: :heartflower:

Good twin
11th August 2008, 11:46 PM
The first two OT 8s from Miami Org:

Elena Fine
Bob Fine
:rose:

also Miami Org Public:

Kerri Frost
:missyou:

uncle sam
12th August 2008, 12:06 AM
Dennis Dubin=OT8

NonScio
12th August 2008, 12:14 AM
Chuck Lemmer, died at Hemet Gold base in 2005.

Chuck, you stayed with it till the bitter end. 59 years old,
too young to die in this modern world. What was your
OT level? Cancer was it? Did you really believe right up to
the end it was all in your mind?

What was your last thought..."what a waste"?
I have to hand it to you though, you really took that bit
about "loyalty" seriously. You took that till "death do us
part" a bit too far when you got married to the cult.

Anything you can do to help your wife, Kathy, escape?
They got her locked up physically as well as mentally out
there in their little stalag. No Colonel Klink running that
place, no jolly old Seargent Shultz in those barracks.

paradox
12th August 2008, 12:52 AM
For all of them. For all of us. For you, and for me.




Prayer (Do Not Stand At My Grave And Cry) - Lizzie West vocal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsi2aXWr6nE)




"Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there, I do not sleep
I am a thousand winds that flow
I am the sunlight on ripened grain

I am gentle autumn's rain
I am the swift uplifting rush
of quiet birds in circled flight

Do not stand at my grave and cry
Do not stand at my grave and cry
Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there, I did not die

Man as of yet is half-grown
Even his flower stem has not appeared yet
He is all leaves and roots, without a sign of stem in sight
Blossoming means establishing a new, pure relationship with the cosmos

It is the sign of heaven
It is the sign of a cobra
It is the sign of a man who knows himself, royally
Crowned with the sun
His feet gripping the earth as he goes

We have arrived

Do not stand at my grave and cry
Do not stand at my grave and cry
Do not stand at my grave and cry
I am not there, I did not die
I am not there, I did not die"

Do Not Stand At My Grave And Weep - Instrumental (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AluKPblVBqo&feature=related)

grundy
12th August 2008, 03:33 AM
Awww, when did she die?

I believe about 3 or 4 years now. She passed away of cancer.

GoButtonIsBlowButton
12th August 2008, 03:43 AM
David died late fall 2007 of cancer at age 61 approx. Leaves his lovely wife Maggie and a son.

Allen died of brain cancer a few years ago (it's posted elsewhere), age about 60.

free1996
12th August 2008, 04:45 AM
Enid Byrne, Registrar AOLA

RIP
How did she pass away? Wow,that was a shock. May she rest in peace.

Emma
12th August 2008, 10:21 AM
Ian Tampion (Lung cancer) around 2000.

RIP Ian.

clearcat
12th August 2008, 10:42 AM
Ruth Valko - died sudden of cancer around 1999

Sue Mueller - died of cancer around 2004

Anita Mally - died of cancer before 2000

Virgil Wilhite - died of cancer (not sure when but after 2000)

They were all on their OT levels... Coincidence?

Good twin
12th August 2008, 12:39 PM
Isaac Hayes

Wisened One
12th August 2008, 03:55 PM
Bob Fine died?! When/how? :no:

and yes....Kerri Frost...I'll never forget her. She was so full of energy,
so sweet to everyone! :no: :sad:


The first two OT 8s from Miami Org:

Elena Fine
Bob Fine
:rose:

also Miami Org Public:

Kerri Frost
:missyou:

Wisened One
12th August 2008, 04:04 PM
I would like to also post this vid with the original song to the scene...also a wonderful tribute to those gone on before us.....:rose:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHSW9wgc_kw

nozeno
12th August 2008, 08:02 PM
Don Cooper
Rick Bannerman

Good twin
12th August 2008, 11:26 PM
Bob Fine died?! When/how? :no:

uh...been over 5 years ago I guess. Cancer. OT 8. Whatever. :confused2:

Long Gone
13th August 2008, 03:21 AM
Don Cooper
Rick Bannerman

also FCDC

Louie Bellucci
John Bouchet
Dee Carson
Suzanne Beals
Joel Morris
Jack Becker

anonmom
13th August 2008, 07:17 AM
I have heard that people in CoS have a high rate of cancer. Wow, I guess that is right. Another reason to stay away.:nervous:

thetanic
13th August 2008, 07:19 AM
I have heard that people in CoS have a high rate of cancer. Wow, I guess that is right. Another reason to stay away.:nervous:

I don't know that it's a high rate of cancer; it's certainly a high death rate from a first cancer.

Magoo
14th August 2008, 07:04 PM
Susan Solaman passed away a few weeks ago.

She was an auditor at AOLA for years.

May she, and all above (and any we don't know of) R.I.P.

and

My love to her husband, Russell, and their lovely daughter.

I'm not sure what she died of, but the person who called to tell me and ask
me to pass it on said "She died alone". Although that sounds sad, I don't believe people die alone----it is my belief that many angels helped her quietly pass on to a new, hopefully higher and better adventure.

Best,

Tory/Magoo

Iknowtoomuch
14th August 2008, 09:59 PM
I don't know that it's a high rate of cancer; it's certainly a high death rate from a first cancer.


You could easily use Ron's own tech on that one. One look at the way Sea Org members change partners and there's you cancer. :D

NonScio
14th August 2008, 10:42 PM
I have heard that people in CoS have a high rate of cancer. Wow, I guess that is right. Another reason to stay away.:nervous:

From what I know about cancer, it is invariably fatal if left
untreated. Many forms are curable or a there are at least
life sustaining treatments availiable. Thing is, it has to
be treated. As to "miracle cures", the only documented ones
seem to be at Lourdes, none I know of from Clearwater.

Is the apparently statistically huge occurance of fatal
cancer among dedicated scientologists result from the
scientology processes themselves or simply from the
lact of legitimate medical treatment?

Do these scientoloists have a normal statistical cancer
occurance which translates into a lopsided fatality
rate due to their lack of medical care?

Iknowtoomuch
14th August 2008, 10:50 PM
From what I know about cancer, it is invariably fatal if left
untreated. Many forms are curable or a there are at least
life sustaining treatments availiable. Thing is, it has to
be treated. As to "miracle cures", the only documented ones
seem to be at Lourdes, none I know of from Clearwater.

Is the apparently statistically huge occurance of fatal
cancer among dedicated scientologists result from the
scientology processes themselves or simply from the
lact of legitimate medical treatment?

Do these scientoloists have a normal statistical cancer
occurance which translates into a lopsided fatality
rate due to their lack of medical care?

I wouldn't say Scientologists as much as Sea Org members. Which do not even get physicals.
Actually Scientologists might also be in on the mix a bit because they have little moneys left to treat cancer. Because Scientology has already saved them.:D

NonScio
14th August 2008, 11:17 PM
Well, if it can be demonstrated that some aspect of scientology,
the life style, the poor diet, or a process actually causes cancer,
it would be a major contributor to medical research indeed. Especially
if some auditing process could be shown to initiiate cancer.

I've seeen some speculation that many hours on the EMeter, with
low electric current flowing through the body, might be a factor.
Ironically, if scientology auditing can be proven to cause cancer,
not cure it, it might, through scientific study, lead to new cures
and prevention strategies.

Mick Wenlock
14th August 2008, 11:28 PM
Kenny Lipton
David McCarthy
Thelma Cusworth
Eileen Russell-Able
Allen Buchanan
Cathy Cariotaki
Ed Brewer
Diane Colletto

GoButtonIsBlowButton
14th August 2008, 11:29 PM
The major causes of death in this country are heart disease and cancers. With the internet and all, we're seeing "lots", which may be not many... statistically insignificant variations, based on age, diet, smoking, etc.. Wait another 10 years and we'll see more, as the boomers go bye-bye.

Thetanic, our physician in residence, should comment.

Iknowtoomuch
14th August 2008, 11:32 PM
Well, if it can be demonstrated that some aspect of scientology,
the life style, the poor diet, or a process actually causes cancer,
it would be a major contributor to medical research indeed. Especially
if some auditing process could be shown to initiiate cancer.

I've seeen some speculation that many hours on the EMeter, with
low electric current flowing through the body, might be a factor.
Ironically, if scientology auditing can be proven to cause cancer,
not cure it, it might, through scientific study, lead to new cures
and prevention strategies.



In terms of poor diet, that would be the Sea Org.
In terms of the meter, that would be Scientologists becuase SO members rarely get anywhere on the bridge.

nozeno
14th August 2008, 11:34 PM
The major causes of death in this country are heart disease and cancers. With the internet and all, we're seeing "lots", which may be not many... statistically insignificant variations, based on age, diet, smoking, etc.. Wait another 10 years and we'll see more, as the boomers go bye-bye.

Thetanic, our physician in residence, should comment.

Flunk, you blinked.

Dulloldfart
16th August 2008, 12:17 PM
I think it would be better to leave this thread for memorials rather than discussions about Scn having lethal practices. There is only this one dedicated memorials thread, and the other stuff can be debated on many other threads.

Paul

Pixie
16th August 2008, 12:33 PM
I think it would be better to leave this thread for memorials rather than discussions about Scn having lethal practices. There is only this one dedicated memorials thread, and the other stuff can be debated on many other threads.

Paul

Well said Paul.

WrongPlaceRightTime
16th August 2008, 02:55 PM
Some of you may remember this face:
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=youngman.jpg
So optimistic about life as a new Scientologist...
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=paperroute.jpg

How old is the man in this picture???
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=whathappenedtohim.jpg

Answer: 46

John H Boucher 1954-2001
cause of death: Scientology Fraud

wazn
16th August 2008, 04:20 PM
Well said Paul.

:yes: What Paul said.

Cathy Cariotaki had an SO memorial page. After she passed :( someone was supposed to keep the website going. (I might have a copy somewhere around here...) Does anyone know what happened to it?

Maybe it could be a section on exscn.net? Emma?

GoButtonIsBlowButton
16th August 2008, 04:33 PM
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1078&highlight=Cariotaki There are other entries, too.

Pixie
16th August 2008, 05:58 PM
Some of you may remember this face:
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=youngman.jpg
So optimistic about life as a new Scientologist...
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=paperroute.jpg

How old is the man in this picture???
http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t324/jemababo/?action=view&current=whathappenedtohim.jpg

Answer: 46

John H Boucher 1954-2001
cause of death: Scientology Fraud


This is particularly horrifying.. in the extreme.. I am glad he is free..

:heartflower: :rose:

wazn
16th August 2008, 08:43 PM
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=1078&highlight=Cariotaki There are other entries, too.


What I meant to say was that Cathy had established a website that was a memorial for SO members who had passed. I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to the site and if the information - a memorial page for SO/Scn'sts - could be a section on the exscn.net website (not this forum).

There were people on the XSO yahoo group that might know about it.

Pixie
16th August 2008, 11:17 PM
What I meant to say was that Cathy had established a website that was a memorial for SO members who had passed. I was wondering if anyone knew what happened to the site and if the information - a memorial page for SO/Scn'sts - could be a section on the exscn.net website (not this forum).

There were people on the XSO yahoo group that might know about it.

Good idea, these people need to be acknowledged, they pledged their very lives, it may also help wake up those still in.

:rose:

Panda Termint
17th August 2008, 03:29 PM
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I was shocked and disheartened to learn that 2 much loved AOSHANZO public;
Trevor Woods & Denise Webb (late of Cairns, Queensland)
were both tragically killed in a motorcycle accident several years ago, sometime in 2004.
They were a wonderful couple and really loved that Harley!
I hadn't heard anything about it on CofS lines and saw not a word in the Auditor mag.
I heard today from friends who were on holiday in Cairns and decided to visit them. Needless to say, they were just as shocked as me.
It may be old news to some but I thought that ANZO ex's might appreciate knowing and would take a moment to remember them fondly.

thetanic
17th August 2008, 05:21 PM
From what I know about cancer, it is invariably fatal if left untreated.

Not true.

1) Some cancers, such as some forms of prostate cancer, are very slow growing and aren't likely to kill one. As has been said (not here), one is more likely to die with them than of them.

2) Some cancers do go into remission. The body does have cancer-fighting capabilities, but they're not far from perfect.

3) Not all cancers metastize, and that's what tends to make the more aggressive cancers kill more quickly or become more fatal.

Another point is that fighting cancer takes an lot of energy, and I do know people who've gone in for surgery, had their cancers removed, and felt immediately better despite the invasiveness of the surgery. Of course, radiation and chemo are themselves very taxing, but generally that's for the short term.

(Not a doctor. I just like reading medical stuff, and I don't pretend to understand it all.)

duddins
17th August 2008, 10:23 PM
Does anyone know the particulars of Allen Buccanan's passing? He must have been pretty young. Sad.

How about David McCarthy? Also sad.

Thanks for posting these thoughtful memorials. I would so much rather have seen their names among the list of former Scientologists.....than among the deceased. :bigcry:

Iknowtoomuch
17th August 2008, 10:30 PM
Does anyone know the particulars of Allen Buccanan's passing? He must have been pretty young. Sad.

How about David McCarthy? Also sad.

Thanks for posting these thoughtful memorials. I would so much rather have seen their names among the list of former Scientologists.....than among the deceased. :bigcry:


I don't know the specifics on that but I do know he was battling mercury poisioning for quite some time. :no:

Wisened One
14th October 2008, 11:39 PM
God, I hate reviving this thread....:sadsigh:

RIP, Uwe Stuckenbrock! :sad: :rose:

Stan D'Teque
15th October 2008, 05:15 AM
Harry Bloomberg
Dot Bolstad
Pat Bloomberg
Peter Sparshott
Sandra "Donnie" Fox
Lauren Schofield
Kirsty Schofield
Murray Youdell

Kookaburra
15th October 2008, 06:06 AM
Don Premarukov
Ray Kundel
Jill Graham
Beth Marr Yamaguchi
Jim Whyte

HappyGirl
15th October 2008, 06:15 AM
Dick Eastin, 2008. Got cancer a couple of years after completing OT8, SO at AOLA many years (examiner).

ttamaad
15th October 2008, 08:26 AM
Murray Youdell

Murray Youdell, well I'll be darned.... I remember training him to run the Way to Happiness Course years ago in a small room off the Academy in Castlereagh St. He was so laid back it, no one could shake him.

If he was downstat he would just smile and say "I'll do better next week" Hope he managed to keep that laid back approach

minnie
15th October 2008, 09:13 AM
Sue Mueller - died of cancer around 2004



Was she the wife of GJ Mueller??

minnie
15th October 2008, 09:21 AM
Paul Rendall - Cancer
Rex Boler - Cancer
Lucy-Lorraine Smith - Leukaemia
Paul Schobel

minnie
15th October 2008, 09:24 AM
Poor Murray Youdell used to fall asleep all the time while studying. He wasn't in good physical condition. RIP

Good twin
15th October 2008, 12:15 PM
Harry Bloomberg
Dot Bolstad
Pat Bloomberg
Peter Sparshott
Sandra "Donnie" Fox
Lauren Schofield
Kirsty Schofield
Murray Youdell

Was Harry Bloomberg a Class 8? If so he audited me once. Sweet man. :thumbsup:

Panda Termint
15th October 2008, 12:40 PM
Was Harry Bloomberg a Class 8? If so he audited me once. Sweet man. :thumbsup:

Yes, Harry was a Class VIII. He was a great Auditor and C/S and one of the most exceptional Beings in scientology. :thumbsup:

Wisened One
15th October 2008, 04:04 PM
Frank Thompson
Mike and Helena Fine (who were both on OTVIII)
Frank Suarez
Cesar Lavado

I know some of the above names are already added here, but...stil...
felt like adding this list, anyways:

RIP. :rose:

Stan D'Teque
16th October 2008, 06:51 AM
Colin Gow
Chris Probert

minnie
16th October 2008, 07:06 AM
Syd Holbrook
Ray Cross

:bigcry:

mate
16th October 2008, 08:30 AM
Jon Wootten FSO NOTs FESer
David Ziff Saint Hill (pre-KSW), Snr C/S FLB and Universe Corps.
Mary Ziff RTC?
Don Breeding Universe Corps and was involved in the development of Hubbard's first Emeter.

David.

Once bitten
16th October 2008, 10:47 AM
Lloyd Speedy - suicided after spending all of his $$ on services when he was actually type3

Elaine ??? Suicided after she was told to handle or disconnect from her family who were Salvation Army people. This was in 79 or 80. Massive cover up by Sydney

Good twin
16th October 2008, 12:02 PM
Kerri Frost

klidov
16th October 2008, 12:51 PM
Even though I don't know any of the people mentioned in this thread, I know they were befriended and cared for by the people who remember them.

In Memoriam to all that have traveled to their next journey.

And Peace to their families.

ScudMuffin
16th October 2008, 01:50 PM
Intresting to see how many of these people died of cancer.

ChaoticPsychotic
16th October 2008, 04:17 PM
Judy Rosenbaum - Deceased 2006 in her early 50s was Stevens Creek Staff and Delphi Staff before that. She died from a stroke in her sleep. May she rest in peace forever.

Daniel Wagner - My Uncle died in 2003 at the age of 45 of a sudden fatal heart attack. He was in the Bay Area a long time and then was in Florida when he passed away. He was a "Clear" and FLAG public.

Stacey Moxon - She was a friend of mine. Even though you all know of her - I knew her and was horrified to hear about her death.

These people were all loved and cherished. They are all sorely missed. Let this remind you not to take your life for granted. May they all rest in peace. :bigcry:

wolfright
16th October 2008, 06:12 PM
Aaron Poulin. :(

Kookaburra
17th October 2008, 12:14 AM
Aaron Poulin. :(

What!!!!

What happened? He was just 3 years old the last I saw him. Do you know where Sheila and Brian are?

ozzie
17th October 2008, 12:28 AM
Ray Jensen - old time Melbourne Scientologist - died suddenly in his sleep a few months ago in South Africa - was actively working on A to E with his wife.


Ozzie

PS Never knew David Ziff passed away - knew David well - may he rest in peace.

clearcat
20th October 2008, 10:13 AM
Was she the wife of GJ Mueller??

I don't know, when I met her and worked with her she was by herself.

Stably Exterior
20th October 2008, 10:34 AM
Simon Meney: Mid OT3 at AOSH ANZO

Tarvuist
20th October 2008, 10:59 AM
Amir Geuron (NOTs auditor)
Did he audit/cs for AOLA in the 90's?

Good twin
20th October 2008, 11:54 AM
Amir Geuron (NOTs auditor)
Did he audit/cs for AOLA in the 90's?

For the last few years he was a tours reg. Lovely guy.:bigcry:

Iknowtoomuch
21st October 2008, 06:55 AM
Amir Geuron (NOTs auditor)
Did he audit/cs for AOLA in the 90's?

Yes he was. He was a great guy!

Voltaire's Child
21st October 2008, 07:29 AM
Cleora (Dzembo) Warner.

Tarvuist
22nd October 2008, 07:17 AM
Amir was my wife's C/S when she dropped her body at AO in '94 while on NOTS.

Kookaburra
22nd October 2008, 11:08 AM
Amir was my wife's C/S when she dropped her body at AO in '94 while on NOTS.

This sounds like a story waiting to be told. We're good listeners. Welcome to the board.

Good twin
22nd October 2008, 11:44 AM
This sounds like a story waiting to be told. We're good listeners. Welcome to the board.

Yes, please. Welcome Tarvuist. Whenever you are ready, we'd love to hear more.
GT

randomx
26th October 2008, 11:37 AM
New Zealand scientologists who
expired while still under Hubbard`s spell.

..... Gifford .... suicide circa 1978
Wilson Lauren Ferris husband before Mike.
Lex Povall ... cancer circa 1980
Ariel Bingham cancer circa 1981
Laurie Clark heart attack circa 1981
Jean Anderson.... circa 1981
Bambi Paul.... cancer circa 1984
Ross Cooper suicide circa 1988
Lloyd Speedy...... suicide circa 1989
Ellen Herlehy cancer
Don Edge suicide
Rob Twedell suicide
Allan Hodges cancer
Laurie Madden
Jack Edwards Tokoroa
Bob Cobb cancer circa 1995
Paul Cooper suicide 1998
Neil Liversedge cancer circa 2001
Harvey Stapleton Wanganui
Dick Povall
Len Barke cancer
Margie Pearce
Ian Clarke. Heart attack circa 2004
Bernard Roundhill Parkinsons 2005
Peggy Roundhill 2006
Marcy Rogers cancer
Graham Rogers emphysema
Winston Dickey circa 2006
Bob Anderson cancer
Wally Collis old age 2007 OT 7
Denver Frater old age 2008 OT 8

I`ll edit this as my file clerk brings me more names and specifics.
But this is roughly the order chronologically.
Please feel free to correct me if you have any more info.
Cancer is the clear winner here. With Suicide second.

If you see your name here, you most probably are not dead.
Please PM medical certificate and I will delete your name.
However if you are still in the cult I`ll put you on your own list
of the "brain dead."

Wisened One
26th October 2008, 05:46 PM
:welcome: Tarvuist.

Share your story, when you're ready.



Amir was my wife's C/S when she dropped her body at AO in '94 while on NOTS.

ThisFenceHurts
27th October 2008, 06:02 AM
Frank Thompson
Mike and Helena Fine (who were both on OTVIII)
Frank Suarez
Cesar Lavado

I know some of the above names are already added here, but...stil...
felt like adding this list, anyways:

RIP. :rose:

When did Mike Fine pass?

Good twin
27th October 2008, 12:27 PM
When did Mike Fine pass?

He didn't. I think she meant Bob Fine. :yes:

Wisened One
27th October 2008, 04:05 PM
Ooops, yep, I DID mean Bob Fine....:redface:

rifleman56
27th October 2008, 06:22 PM
Gene and Arlyn Hobel

HappyGirl
22nd November 2008, 10:23 AM
Jimmy Spheeris, 1984, killed by drunk driver
Not a recent death, but I still feel the loss!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whaeyl9FpIM&feature=related

British Mom
22nd November 2008, 09:18 PM
Phil Stannard
Steve Bisbey

Both UK scientologists. RIP.

Ros Bisbey,:bigcry: bless her heart, she was C/S Foundation, ST. HILL. UK
Di Kirby - worked at Greenfields School, died of cancer.
Martina Douglas - committed suicide while on lines at St. HIll, UK.
Wendy Hebblewhite - cancer, on lines.
Her husband, cant recall his name, he died too.
Also, they son, whom committed suicide. Only one family remains, Claire Hebblewhite.

Woggin' out
22nd November 2008, 10:43 PM
As I reported on the connections section two former Sea Org members:
DAVE JOHNSON (Class Vlll OTV) Was off lines from CCINT in 1999 to handle wife's illness. Died in either 2000 or 2001 of brain cancer.
LINDA JOHNSON (Clear) Wife of Dave. Was routed off staff from the PAC base due to illness October 1999. (Diabetes) Apparently she died on the same day as Dave but have no verification. R.I.P

Lulu Belle
22nd November 2008, 11:15 PM
Mary Ziff RTC?


Dissem FB/PDO.

A brilliant marketing person.

Lulu Belle
22nd November 2008, 11:16 PM
Paula (Ueckermann) Quigley.

Axiom142
23rd November 2008, 12:12 PM
Ros Bisbey,:bigcry: bless her heart, she was C/S Foundation, ST. HILL. UK
Di Kirby - worked at Greenfields School, died of cancer.
Martina Douglas - committed suicide while on lines at St. HIll, UK.
Wendy Hebblewhite - cancer, on lines.
Her husband, cant recall his name, he died too.
Also, they son, whom committed suicide. Only one family remains, Claire Hebblewhite.

Wendy's husband was Ian Hebblewhite I believe, and their son was Adam.

I was shocked to hear that Adam committed suicide. Does anyone have more info on this?

Axiom142

Fabian Marcabian
23rd November 2008, 01:58 PM
Griffee Blythe - 2008 RIP.

I just read in a post by Jenna over on OCMB that Griffee Blythe passed away earlier this year.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=29604&start=15

BarMoshiach
23rd November 2008, 10:31 PM
These dear friends from the inspirational days of the Fifth Avenue Mission, in New York, have moved on to their next level:

Julio Delatorre
Mark Kabat
Helen Rhodes Hochman Regnier
Jeanne Diana Chromoy
Leni Eisler Rudder
Carole Gluchacki
Michael Carr
Howard Rower
George Chelekis
Susan Salomon

We are bound in Love, and will one day enjoy another drink and a mighty laugh about it all.

BarM

Lulu Belle
23rd November 2008, 11:08 PM
Griffee Blythe - 2008 RIP.

I just read in a post by Jenna over on OCMB that Griffee Blythe passed away earlier this year.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=29604&start=15


She was such a great person, before DM fucked with her head.

:touched:

Wisened One
24th November 2008, 01:02 AM
These dear friends from the inspirational days of the Fifth Avenue Mission, in New York, have moved on to their next level:

Michael Carr



Is he the Narconon spokesman that I've seen on TV about The History of Drugs or some such show? If so, anyone know what happened?

HappyGirl
24th November 2008, 01:07 AM
Is he the Narconon spokesman that I've seen on TV about The History of Drugs or some such show? If so, anyone know what happened?

Would that be Clark Carr (my husband's former boss)?

Wisened One
24th November 2008, 01:15 AM
Ah, I'm sure that's who I'm thinking with, thanks HG!....yet perhaps Michael was a relation, huh?


Would that be Clark Carr (my husband's former boss)?

BarMoshiach
24th November 2008, 01:59 AM
Not the same Carr family. But you may have heard of Mike Carr, as he was the son of Sam Carr, whose dog would speak to David Berkowitz, their neighbor. (True.)

Mick Wenlock
24th November 2008, 12:01 PM
Cathy Cariotaki
Alan Vos

:sad:

grundy
24th November 2008, 06:15 PM
Griffee Blythe - 2008 RIP.

I just read in a post by Jenna over on OCMB that Griffee Blythe passed away earlier this year.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=29604&start=15

:bigcry: :bigcry:

Griffee was a friend when no one else would be when I was in.

This is a person who I will miss for a long time.

DartSmohen
24th November 2008, 06:25 PM
Cathy Cariotaki
Alan Vos

:sad:

I am sorry to hear about Alan.

I knew he had diabetes and was wheelchair bound.

He lived in Port Elizabeth with Heidi where they ran an AID's clinic.

Dart

dt2000
24th November 2008, 06:45 PM
David Roussouw - lung cancer (2000)
Kathy Cross - stroke (late 90s)
Oscar DeSaldarriaga - heart attack (early 90s)
Aaron Poulin - suicide (2003?)
Alan Hubbert - brain cancer (2000)

I'm sure I will think of more.

British Mom
25th November 2008, 06:31 PM
Wendy's husband was Ian Hebblewhite I believe, and their son was Adam.

I was shocked to hear that Adam committed suicide. Does anyone have more info on this?

Axiom142

Oh Yes, Ian, dont know how he died, but I think he died after Wendy, who I believe died of cancer (I was well out of Scn then) Adam died first, I believe he had tried to kill himself before, but survive. I feel sorry for Clare Hebblewhite, lost her whole family in a matter of years.

MarkWI
26th November 2008, 01:32 AM
Norman Arthur Coulter

1920-2008

Dr. Norman Arthur Coulter, 88, of Greenville, N.C., passed away on Friday, October 24, 2008. A graveside service will be conducted 11 a.m. on Saturday, November 1, 2008, at Greenwood Cemetery in Bedford, Va. An additional memorial service is being planned in Chapel Hill at a later date.
Dr. Coulter was born in Atlanta, Ga., on January 9, 1920, to the late Norman Arthur and Carabelle Clark Coulter. Norman enjoyed spending time listening to classical music and trying his hand at amateur composition. After receiving his bachelor of science in mathematics and electrical engineering from Virginia Tech in 1941, he went to Harvard Medical School where he received his doctor of medicine in 1950. From 1950 to 1952, he was a Postdoctoral Fellow in Biophysics at Johns Hopkins University. A teacher by nature, he joined the faculty at the Ohio State University School of Medicine in 1952. In 1965, the Coulter family moved to North Carolina, where Dr. Coulter began teaching at the UNC-Chapel Hill School of Medicine, and his wife, Dr. Elizabeth Coulter, began teaching at the UNC-Chapel Hill School of Public Health. There he became professor emeritus in 1990.
As a co-founder of the UNC Biomedical Engineering and Mathematics curriculum, now a department, he served as chairman from 1969 to 1982. Dr. Coulter was a member and valued contributor to many professional organizations, including the Biomedical Engineering Society, the American Medical Association, and the Physicians for Social Responsibility.
An accomplished author, he wrote the books, Synergetics: An Adventure in Human Development and Tracking: A New Way of Thinking. He also published many articles in "CHANGE: The Journal of the Synergetic Society."

As a member of the Physicians for Social Responsibility, he served on the board of directors from 1987 to 1993 and was president of the North Carolina chapter from 1983 to 1987. Traveling to the Soviet Union in 1985, 1987, and 1988 as a delegate of Physicians for Social Responsibility, he helped organize a sister city committee between Chapel Hill/Carrboro and Saratov, Russia. In 1993, he helped organize a conference on the prevention of violence, and he helped plan a school violence prevention program, which began in 1995. In 1992, Dr. Coulter was awarded the Peacemaker award, and in 1987 he received the Broad Street Pump Award.
Although he had many professional accomplishments, Dr. Coulter's greatest joy was spending time with his family. Together, they traveled extensively, enjoyed playing sports, and he was always looking for ways to make them laugh. A beloved husband, father, and grandfather, he will be greatly missed by all who knew him.

He was preceded in death by his wife, Dr. Elizabeth J. Coulter; and brother, Judge Jack Coulter.
He is survived by his son, Robert J. Coulter, of Greenville, N.C.; grandson, Jim Coulter and wife, Candice, of Greenville; granddaughter, Mary Anna Coulter, of New York, N.Y.; sister-in-law, Jeanne Coulter, of Roanoke, Va.; nephews, David Coulter, of Cary, N.C., and Philip Coulter, of Roanoke, Va.; and niece, Kathy Temple, of Roanoke, Va.

In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions may be made to the Biomedical Engineering Department at UNC Chapel Hill for the Coulter Fund for Parkinson's, 152 MacNider Hall, Campus Box 7575, Chapel Hill, N.C. 27599-7575. Arrangements by Tharp Funeral Home.

Maybe you don't know him, he was a Dianeticist in the early '50, and founder of one of the first 'squirrel' groups trying to create a real 'science' of the mind and human cooperation, to ban war and create a better future: Synergetics (http://www.synearth.net/coulter/synergetics.pdf). An evil "SP" by "church" standards.

Interesting some of his articles appeared on The Aberree, one of which I quote in full because it's worth reading:




Synergetically Yours (http://www.aberree.com/v08/n07p10.html)

THE PURPOSE of this article is to tell the true story of Don Purcell and his valiant effort to place Dianetics on an ethical responsible basis. Much of the story is known to "old-timers", but the full story is known to few - and since his death, Don has been subjected to a resumption of the un-fair and unkind attacks that characterized the period 1952-1954. Don and I became very close friends during this period, and he confided to me many things that were never made public, so I was acutely aware of the unjust treatment he received.

Nowadays, Scientologists are full of talk about "overts", "withholds", and "confrontations". Their words and actions would be more credible if it were not for the many overts and withholds that were committed against Don Purcell - and which have recently been resumed. In the face of so monstrous an injustice, they stand convicted of rank hypocrisy.

Don's outstanding trait, to me, was his sincerity. He was deeply devoted to the betterment of man, and Dianetics was to him a cause to which he gave freely and without stint. His motivation in working for Dianetics was deeply idealistic and altruistic. When he first went into Dianetics he was a moderately wealthy man; to it he gave most of that wealth in an effort to keep Dianetics going. When these efforts met only vituperation and abuse, and he realized that unity could not otherwise be achieved, he gave the Dianetic Foundation back to its founder, with no strings attached.

But let us tell the story from the beginning.

The Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation, after an auspicious start, ran into serious trouble in late 1950 and 1951. Perhaps owing to over- enthusiasm, the Foundation found itself deeply in debt - I believe in excess of $100,000. These were business obligations - bills due for goods and services rendered - not a diabolical plot by criminals and Communists. Then, on April 24,1951, the United Press broke the story of Sara Hubbard's divorce action, in which she charged that "competent medical advisers" had found her husband "hopelessly insane", and in need of psychiatric observation. These charges were not true, but the bad publicity was a damaging blow to the Dianetic cause - nor was it helped by the fact that previously there had been a rumor to the effect that Sara was a "clear".
Added to this was a considerable amount of internal dissension, culminating in the withdrawal of five of the seven original members of the Board of Directors. These included John W. Campbell Jr., and Dr. J. A. Winter, whose enthusiastic endorsements had played a major role in the great interest Dianetics attracted.

Don Purcell was at his best when the going was tough; and he proved it on this occasion. In a letter sent to friends dated May 21, 1952 , he tells of it in his own words:


"We have received a great many letters lately requesting us to answer the accusations that have been made by L.Ron Hubbard and James Elliott against myself and the rest of the Foundation personnel. This letter is an answer to these accusations..

"In July of 1950, I took the professional course in Elizabeth, N.J. By the time I had finished the course, I knew that Dianetics offered a greater understanding of mind than any other field of investigation in existence. Mind had been a subject of prime interest and study to me for about 20 years.

"While at Elizabeth, I determined to do all I could to assist the advance of Dianetics. This was a strong postulate. Just before I left Elizabeth I asked Ron how I could best serve Dianetics.... He told me to go home to Kansas for the time being and develop as much local interest as possible....

"When things got rough within the Foundation late in 1950, we offered assistance. Our offer was accepted and the Foundation moved to Wichita (in the Spring of 1951.--A.C.).

"Ron was in Havana, Cuba, at the time. He was in bad physical condition and quite sure that he didn't have a friend in the world except me. He had left Los Angeles and gone to Havana because he had been told that psychiatrists had been hired who would examine him and adjudge him insane and have him committed to an institution.

"I finally convinced Ron that I could protect him as a guest in our home until June. He arrived here on April 14. We gave Ron good present-time and helped restore his confidence in people. Ron, Margaret (Mrs. Purcell), and I would sit up until 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning, discussing Dianetics. When Ron's mind is working on this subject, he has no equal.

"As Ron's self-confidence returned, he began to develop more and more ambitious schemes to rapidly advance Dianetics. In fact, he wanted to advance it more rapidly than the society would accept it. I was chided when I tried to inject conservatism in these plans.

"The old creditors -from New Jersey were hounding us with lawsuits.... I suggested we put the old Foundation in bankruptcy so we would have an opportunity to rebuild without the pressure of litigation. Ron would not agree to such strategy. He preferred to have me pay these creditors off as the occasion arose.

"Finally I arrived at the conclusion that we just had to adjust our spending to our income. My available cashsurplus was about gone. After informing Ron of this fact, things were not the same between us. He apparently did not believe there was an end to my cash and that I was just plowing his schemes under by refusing to finance them.

"Ron decided acute measures were called for to raise cash and initiated his Allied Scientists of the World scheme. It was a money-raising scheme launched independently by Ron from Denver, Colo. Ron solicited funds thru the mails from many scientists. including scientists working on secret Government projects. The Department of Justice became very much interested in his activities and took a dim view of the whole thing. Ardent work on the part of the Foundation staff and particularly on the part of Jean Moore finally got the mess straightened out.

"Our creditors were still pressing hard and finally threatened a liquidating receivership for the Foundation. To escape this litigation, Ron quit the Foundation. He released all his interest in the Foundation, implied and contractual, gave all his stock back to the Foundation. and resigned. Ron did this to set up a screen between himself and the creditors. From his subsequent actions, it seems that his reasons were more deeply seated than he would have us believe.

"We prepared to file in bankruptcy and Jean Moore sent Ron immediate notice of the fact ... I received a telegram from Ron informing me that he was suing me for one million dollars ...

"I am not trying to destroy Dianetics or Ron Hubbard. I am not prepared to spend $500,000 for this purpose. All my liquid assets have already been spent during the past year trying to build the Foundation, in spite of Ron Hubbard's talent for spending money on wild schemes. I paid the court approximately $6,000 for the Foundation and all its assets, copyrights, etc., in order to protect the investment of cash and work that had been previously put into these things. I did not receive $500,000 from the American Medical Association to put the Foundation into bankruptcy as Ron claims I did. None of the other accusations made by Ron or Jim Elliott are true. Ron told me in a recent telephone conversation he made these accusations only for the purpose of enlisting public opinion on his side ......

For the next two years, Don worked long and hard on behalf of the Foundation, supporting its activities at a
loss, doing everything he could to build it up into a reputable and socially acceptable institution. On advice of his lawyers, he filed counter suit against Mr. Hubbard; but this was purely defensive and he several times assured me he would gladly have dropped his suit had Mr.Hubbard done the same. Again and again he tried to persuade Mr. Hubbard to rejoin the Foundation.

One can question Don's judgment in this matter, and I, for one, did. on several occasions I suggested that he try to terminate the struggle and let Mr. Hubbard have the Foundation back again. But Don believed in Dianetics, and he continued to hope that some day he could induce Mr. Hubbard to return.

As time went on, it became increasingly clear that this was not going to happen. Finally, in August. 1954, Don gave the Foundation and all its assets back to Mr. Hubbard after having spent over $100,000 on its behalf .

Don died of cancer in June, 1959. In Hubbard's REALITY (December, 1959), there appeared a statement, alleging:"A millionaire in the U.S. once tried to seize all of Dianetics, but the effort failed. And, sad to tell, the millionaire died the other day."

The students in Scientology aren't the only ones with "overts" that should be "run out".

Art Coulter
NOVEMBER, 1961

http://mi-cache.legacy.com/legacy/images/Cobrands/Roanoke/Photos/11160485-1_10302008_1.jpg

Good twin
26th November 2008, 01:55 AM
RIP

Dr Coulter


:rose:

Lynn Fountain Campbell
30th November 2008, 06:29 AM
George Machado, public, last onlines at AOLA I think, passed away last summer. He was the founder of Machado Environmental/Air Duct Cleaning Company in Glendale.

Lynn

grundy
2nd December 2008, 07:23 PM
George Machado, public, last onlines at AOLA I think, passed away last summer. He was the founder of Machado Environmental/Air Duct Cleaning Company in Glendale.

Lynn

This was a friend of mine as well.

:bigcry:

Martini
2nd December 2008, 10:09 PM
This was a friend of mine as well.

:bigcry:

sorry to hear about this. Didn't he have a beautiful daughter named Katherine?

I'm still reeling from the news on Griffee.... :(

Lynn Fountain Campbell
3rd December 2008, 12:29 AM
Yes, and grandkids too. Twin girls, I think.

Lynn

Lulu Belle
3rd December 2008, 12:37 AM
I'm still reeling from the news on Griffee.... :(

Same here. :(

Lynn Fountain Campbell
3rd December 2008, 12:42 AM
Me too. Does anybody know what she died of?

Lynn

Martini
3rd December 2008, 12:51 AM
Me too. Does anybody know what she died of?

Lynn

jenna miscavaige said on ocmb that she basically died of alcoholism, and that her son's death had heavily weighed on her. she had blown a few years ago from the s.o. as snr c/s, replaced by maggie butterworth. I knew she blew after seeing her husband's face when I asked where she was (another person there then told me later). He just said she went to visit family. That of course is impossible for her post to go do with any kind of authorization. Hell, I wasn't even allowed to take an LOA at Flag to go try to fix my marriage with marriage counselling back home.

I really liked Griffee as a tech terminal. Very smooth. I got good cramming interviews from her that had no roboticness to them whatsoever. And I can't think of one time we clashed, which is more common in C/S circles than you would think.

Lynn Fountain Campbell
3rd December 2008, 12:55 AM
I'm missing a lot of data here. Who was her son, and when did he die?

Lynn

Martini
3rd December 2008, 12:57 AM
I'm missing a lot of data here. Who was her son, and when did he die?

Lynn

I don't have all the data either. I believe her son died at the time she blew. She then went to take care of his children.

Lulu Belle
3rd December 2008, 01:06 AM
I'm missing a lot of data here. Who was her son, and when did he die?

Lynn

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=348569&highlight=#348569

Griffee sadly died basically because she was so distraught over her son's death, that she was drinking too much. She was so upset that she couldn't save him with all that Scientology promised, that she couldn't process it in her mind anymore especially after being the Snr C/S AOLA. She thought she was saving people, but when she couldn't help him, she just went out the bottom. Even in her last days she was still trying to figure out how she could have helped him.

dexter gelfand
17th December 2008, 08:52 PM
These dear friends from the inspirational days of the Fifth Avenue Mission, in New York, have moved on to their next level:

Julio Delatorre
Mark Kabat
Helen Rhodes Hochman Regnier
Jeanne Diana Chromoy
Leni Eisler Rudder
Carole Gluchacki
Michael Carr
Howard Rower
George Chelekis
Susan Salomon

We are bound in Love, and will one day enjoy another drink and a mighty laugh about it all.

BarM

That would be Helen Rhodes Hochman Regnier Dempsey, I knew her pretty well in the 1980's, when she married Todd Dempsey, a fellow staff member and buddy of mine in New York. Helen was a great person and a true OT. I was so sorry to hear about Helen's tragic bicycle accident.

Love, Dex

Good twin
28th January 2009, 01:44 PM
:bigcry:

RIP
Kathy Dillon

RogerB
28th January 2009, 03:34 PM
I looked closely, but I did not see Mark Jones on this thread.

Mark was beloved by many. Alan and I once had a discussion about states of case of folks we knew, and Mark was the one person we could agree merited recognition as as An Ascended Being.

Those who knew him, know what colossal integrity he had. What colossal commitment to truth he exhibited, and what colossal love for his fellows he had.

He, perhaps more than any other held the field together in the dark days after 1982 when the church began demonstrating just how mad it had become. It was Mark with the Free Spirit Magazine he created that kept the tech alive for many, and helped hold folks true to their belief they could optimize their condition and recover their true, full spirituality and innate powers.

I met Mark in London, in 1966, where he recruited me for staff with him and Ellen. He subsequently held high posts at GOWW, etc. Though most Americans will know him because of his work with Narconon.

Mark suffered from Alsheimers for many years, and during his final years had very poor memory.

He died about 18 months ago.

I don't know how old he was when he died, but he was well on in years.

He is a man worthy of much honor and to be listed on this Board.

Roger

RogerB
28th January 2009, 03:44 PM
Helen passed onto her next game about 4 years ago.

Formerly Helen McKee of London, she was an SHSBC grad who came to the US, and with Frank Geltman, (also deceased some many years back) ran the "West Side Mission" in NYC.

Cause of death was probably her cigarette chain-smoking leading to emphysema and eventual cardiac arrest. Though, a broken heart due to the abuses and losses associated with her love of the tech and the purpose in life she pursued with it being betrayed by the actions of "upper management" cannot be ruled out.

Helen was into her seventies.

Roger

HappyGirl
29th January 2009, 05:33 AM
Jett Travolta

Wisened One
19th March 2009, 07:41 PM
I know she was not a scn, but just wanted to say:

RIP, Natasha Richardson! A luminous presence who will be sadly missed! :rose: :sadsigh:

Hoodwinked
20th March 2009, 02:34 AM
Craig Tomlinson, former Sacramento Org Intern Sup mid-late 1970's (heard he had brain cancer)

I told you I was trouble
20th March 2009, 09:44 AM
I know she was not a scn, but just wanted to say:

RIP, Natasha Richardson! A luminous presence who will be sadly missed! :rose: :sadsigh:


Yes ... this is a shocker.

:bigcry:

quietheart
21st March 2009, 09:22 PM
Mother and daughter drowning:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10562878
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/gloucestershireheadlines/New-allegations-Jude-Millie-riddle/article-787616-detail/article.html
:bigcry:

Donovan Cook
22nd March 2009, 02:06 AM
OMG! That is so sad.

So she drowned her daughter and herself?

While I want to rail against the ridiculous claims that scientology makes and people believing them, I know there are plenty of groups that feel the same way about vaccines.

Namely Generation Rescue (http://www.generationrescue.org/) which Leah Remini supports on her official website (http://leahremini.com/). At the same time it is typical that a scientologist supports that sort of issue, I find it weird that the main part of the issue is autism and she would actually link to it.

I really feel for the father. :touched:

mountainpeak
5th April 2009, 11:12 AM
Paul Mace, 1983, motorcycle accident. He was one of the 4 leads in "The Lords of Flatbush" movie.

fogfreetimes2
5th April 2009, 09:18 PM
There are more, but these are the ones I remember.

Paul Fricerro (Spelling?) Staff-Stevens Creek Org
Fred Botello (Spelling?) Spouse of ED and staff at Stevens Creek Org
Judy Rosenaum-staff at Stevens Creek Org
Mark Chambers-staff at Stevens Ceek Org

and Lisa

The Anabaptist Jacques
6th April 2009, 04:15 AM
I looked closely, but I did not see Mark Jones on this thread.

Mark was beloved by many. Alan and I once had a discussion about states of case of folks we knew, and Mark was the one person we could agree merited recognition as as An Ascended Being.

Those who knew him, know what colossal integrity he had. What colossal commitment to truth he exhibited, and what colossal love for his fellows he had.

He, perhaps more than any other held the field together in the dark days after 1982 when the church began demonstrating just how mad it had become. It was Mark with the Free Spirit Magazine he created that kept the tech alive for many, and helped hold folks true to their belief they could optimize their condition and recover their true, full spirituality and innate powers.

I met Mark in London, in 1966, where he recruited me for staff with him and Ellen. He subsequently held high posts at GOWW, etc. Though most Americans will know him because of his work with Narconon.

Mark suffered from Alsheimers for many years, and during his final years had very poor memory.

He died about 18 months ago.

I don't know how old he was when he died, but he was well on in years.

He is a man worthy of much honor and to be listed on this Board.

Roger



Mark Jones may be the best man I have ever met.

The Anabaptist Jacques

The Anabaptist Jacques
6th April 2009, 04:18 AM
R.I.P.

Xander Scruby
Lana Econn

Megalomaniac
6th April 2009, 04:38 AM
There are more, but these are the ones I remember.

Paul Fricerro (Spelling?) Staff-Stevens Creek Org Was my course admin in '89


Fred Botello (Spelling?) Spouse of ED and staff at Stevens Creek Org I never met him, but I remember when this happened. Motorcycle accident.


Judy Rosenaum-staff at Stevens Creek Org Judy Rosenbaum? :wtf: when?

Mark Chambers-staff at Stevens Ceek Org :wtf: My KTL supe! When was this? I remember when he got some tiny award for being on staff 25 years. That guy gave his life, I tell you. Thanks Mark. :bigcry:


and Lisa Mcpherson?

Megalomaniac
6th April 2009, 04:40 AM
There are more, but these are the ones I remember.

Paul Fricerro (Spelling?) Staff-Stevens Creek Org
Fred Botello (Spelling?) Spouse of ED and staff at Stevens Creek Org
Judy Rosenaum-staff at Stevens Creek Org
Mark Chambers-staff at Stevens Ceek Org

and Lisa

And why do I get hundreds of bulk mail items, but NO DATA? :angry: Real newsletters have real news. I have to come to ESMB to get my news.

fogfreetimes2
6th April 2009, 08:21 AM
Megalomaniac-Paul was also our supe for many years, died from heart problems.
Judy-injured her leg, went untreated by proper medical, result was a blood clot or perhaps a stroke, either way, the result was from lack of proper care, I believe SNR C/S was comm ev'd over this.
Mark-yes he devoted all his life to the COS. Had a medical issue which resulted in amputation of his legs, returned to staff in a wheelchair but was offloaded, wheelchaired staff was considered out PR.
Some of these details were given to me by someone else. If anyone knows different details, please let me know.
And yes I was speaking of Lisa McPherson, I knew her many years ago. Such a bubbly, friendly, energetic, happy girl. I sometimes look at her before and after pictures to remind me and keep it fresh in my memeory how insidious this cult is. I personally believe all of these deaths could have been prevented with proper medical care.
Again, please correct me on the above info if anyone knows differently.

Pliny Younger
6th April 2009, 04:54 PM
Mark Jones may be the best man I have ever met.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Truer words have not been spoken.

Wisened One
6th April 2009, 05:18 PM
Wheelchaired staff was considered out PR.

God! :eyeroll: THAT right there, you'd THINK would wake people up and out of this group!

But noooooo! :no: What do scn's do when they know of or hear the above statement? They immediately justify it to 'well it was that guy's case'....:sadsigh: :no:

shadow
6th April 2009, 05:28 PM
Bob Sheckler (lung cancer)
Dolores (Dorie) Sheckler
husband and wife publics
Thier ex son-in-law Daryl Naugle (cancer)

Wisened One
6th April 2009, 05:31 PM
Thanks for the info and updates, shadow....and welcome, if I haven't already done so to you.....

Daisy
6th April 2009, 05:58 PM
There are more, but these are the ones I remember.

Paul Fricerro (Spelling?) Staff-Stevens Creek Org
Fred Botello (Spelling?) Spouse of ED and staff at Stevens Creek Org
Judy Rosenaum-staff at Stevens Creek Org
Mark Chambers-staff at Stevens Ceek Org

and Lisa

Yes, I remember the day Fred died. I remember Paul dying too, I believe it was a heart attack. Paul was always at the org, ate horrible food from the vending machine and smoked too much. I was sad to hear about his passing. I recently heard about Judy and Mark. Mark Chambers dying makes my heart heavy. I loved that guy, he was very sweet. Was on staff since the 70's. Gave his life for a sick cult that ends up throwing him out because of bad PR. Scientology is one sick F****** cult.

A.K. Myers
7th April 2009, 12:10 AM
Paul Fricerro (Spelling?) Staff-Stevens Creek Org
Fred Botello (Spelling?) Spouse of ED and staff at Stevens Creek Org
Judy Rosenaum-staff at Stevens Creek Org
Mark Chambers-staff at Stevens Ceek Org

As a former Stevens Creek Mission staff member, I am saddened to hear
this. These were all friends of mine at one time. After I quit, they were no
longer allowed to talk to me.

Rest in peace.

Nicki
7th April 2009, 12:20 AM
Susan had a heart attack. Her daughter (who found Susan)and mine have been longtime friends.
Nicki

Nicki
7th April 2009, 12:24 AM
Susan Solaman passed away a few weeks ago.

She was an auditor at AOLA for years.

May she, and all above (and any we don't know of) R.I.P.

and

My love to her husband, Russell, and their lovely daughter.

I'm not sure what she died of, but the person who called to tell me and ask
me to pass it on said "She died alone". Although that sounds sad, I don't believe people die alone----it is my belief that many angels helped her quietly pass on to a new, hopefully higher and better adventure.

Best,

Tory/Magoo

Susan Saloman died of a heart attack. Her daughter, who has been longtime friends with mine, found her.
Nicki

Nicki
7th April 2009, 12:42 AM
Ruthie Discher...(formerly Silverman)....dies a coupl of years ago....
She was a long time SO Member...a reg who really seemed to care about people...and in my experience could give a damn about the stats.
Nic

HolyCow
7th April 2009, 01:53 AM
Ruthie Discher...(formerly Silverman)....dies a coupl of years ago....
She was a long time SO Member...a reg who really seemed to care about people...and in my experience could give a damn about the stats.
Nic

Oh, sad to hear. Yes, Ruthie cared deeply and she was such a firecracker, too! I was on staff with her. I have a fond and funny memory of her when she did Happiness Rundown. She also didn't give a damn about her appearance, and a few other things.

She emerged at muster one day with a hairstyle and makeup and more...she was grinning from ear to ear and looked fabulous. She was somewhat awkward in her new "model". She made jokes about it but I knew she felt better about herself in many ways. I just thought how much she deserved this "makeover".

She was one of those I considered to be true to their intention of wanting to help, even if she was a reg! ha.
Reminds me that there were so many that I met on my journey like her. Knowing and working with them softens the blow. Met some extraordinary free spirits and did have some extraordinary experiences that were sensationally great, despite the hellacious events surrounding our every moment.

I'm curious if she was still "in" when she passed. I would like to think she had some peace in the end, not to mention a juicy New York Steak and bottle of vino.:thankyou: :rose:

HolyCow
7th April 2009, 02:26 AM
This one's hard for me to write. Chuck was Flag FSM. Brother, Bob, was staff at ASHO, don't know about now.
Chuck had a dry, quirky humor, loved life, science and the arts. He was also diabetic, artificial leg.

I remember he was pressured into either refi or second mortgaging his home for auditing. He was against it because he said/knew it wouldn't be enough to get him through the entire program that he'd been C/S'd for and he was very worried about because of his physical condition. Pretty sure it was Nots before the once again "new" ot levels of today.

At any rate, he succumbed to it, and indeed was in the middle of auditing when money ran out. He went to see his dad up north, I think for more money and didn't get it. When he arrived at Tampa airport, collapsed and that was it.

I also knew his bro, Bob, on staff, and I can't imagine how Bob could not realize something was up at that point. Chuck was a good friend to all, and that is a true legacy of value and treasure. He also never, ever let his physical condition get in the way of anything, and that was an amazing thing to see. Not sure of date, 6 or 7 years ago?
One of the gems.:rose:

Wisened One
29th May 2009, 07:19 PM
:rose: Just found out....HappyGirl's Husband recently died....:sadsigh: May he RIP. :rose:

ThisIsIt
29th May 2009, 07:22 PM
Thank you WO for putting this post under this topic. I could not find the right one this morning when I posted.:duh:

But HG deserves two threads anyway! :yes:

Pooks
17th June 2009, 08:24 AM
Dear folks,


Mike Edwards passed away, suddenly, on Saturday, the 13th of June. Mike got into Scientology in our Mission in the early 1980s in Canoga Park, CA. He became a world class disseminator and pioneer of Scientology. He did many FSM tours for AOLA. He worked as a VM with the military and school children in Colombia, So America getting LRH tech out and in the hands of the people. He spent much time in Kosovo also, doing VM activities when the country was in need. He gave of himself in a selfless way, like very few people I have ever known. He did it because it was the right thing to do.


A service is being planned for him but I would love to hear from anyone who knew him and/or knew of his dissemination and pioneer activities.


He will be missed, without question.


Judy Weigand
276 768 7710

auntpat
17th June 2009, 04:47 PM
Norman was a long time Scn. I think Alan will remember him from Dallas. He worked with My husbandd and I in our Las Vegas mission. He was a great auditor but not much on Communication otherwise. I remember one time when my husband and I went to La for a few days. When we returned we asked if anyone had called and he gave us the memos. A few days later a friend came by and asked why we hadn't let him know we were back. He had come to see us when we were gone. When i asked Normn why he did not let us know that so-and-so had been there. He said "You didn't ask if anyone had dropped by"
I understand it was a heart attack several years ago.

FinallyFree
17th June 2009, 05:01 PM
Sara Clark, Dir I&R LA Day
Chris Currier, Delphi LA

_brian
6th August 2009, 07:07 PM
+ + + + +

R.I.P. Walter James D. III - 13 August 1950 - 8 January 1981 : <3 forever to you Dude

To my brother.

So long dear friend. May your travels and journey in existence bring abundant joy and happiness to you and those I know you will touch.

:cheers2: To you and Rest In Peace

Good twin
6th August 2009, 07:39 PM
Real emotion......priceless.

1414 1415

1416 1417


:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

michaelangelo
6th August 2009, 07:49 PM
Delete wrong place.

michaelangelo
6th August 2009, 07:53 PM
Lafayette Ronald Hubbard (science fiction writer, satanist, and part time scientologist)

Bill Robertson (born Aaron Pfefferberg) or Captain Bill.


Lucy Duncan
Alex Smith
Freddie Bell
Sea org at AOSH UK in the 70's and 80's.

_brian
7th August 2009, 12:38 AM
:) There there Gt, I sorry, not mean to make cry. I probably owe you a new box of animal cookies because yours got all wet from tears.

There were probably things not to say and things I did not say due to my blurry monitor screen.

I'll leave the thread to what it is intended for. Thanks to anyone who understands my acts of trying to get things out of my system.

Peace.


Real emotion......priceless.

1414 1415

1416 1417


:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Good twin
7th August 2009, 12:49 AM
Well Brian, I'm sorry that I made you feel bad for making me cry. I meant to say how wonderful it is to be able to fully experience raw emotion. After 32 years of "standard handlings" for everything from divorce to death, I am truly embracing the honesty of real grief and pure mourning and sorrow and everything else I suppressed for so long.

Those little girls in the pictures aren't asking for permission to emote. They aren't asking for anyone to console them. They are just letting what is in them pour out with no restraint. I love that.

Thank you Brian. No harm done here. I really love that you are letting yourself mourn the loss of your brother properly. He sounds like a guy who deserves to be remembered and cherished. Good for you. Good for him.

_brian
7th August 2009, 01:04 AM
Oh, Gt, I may not have used the right smilies, my humor doesn't always show when I try sometimes. :melodramatic: I totally got your intent. It was fine. :)

Brian

Good twin
7th August 2009, 01:06 AM
:smoochy:

_brian
7th August 2009, 01:07 AM
:wink2:

Wisened One
7th August 2009, 02:01 AM
:console: :grouphug: :console:

lkwdblds
7th August 2009, 04:30 AM
Enid Byrne, Registrar AOLA

RIP

When I heard Enid died, I was shocked. She was not that old, probably late 40's, maybe early 50's and I never knew she was sick. She was a good registrar; she could put the screws to you and get money out of you but she did it in such a way that you still liked and respected her.
lkwdblds

skollie
7th August 2009, 04:42 AM
Thanks for sharing that, Brian. It's so sad how being in Scientology changes how we feel about losing someone. Grieving is such an important process when someone we love dies. Huge, huge hugs to you.

lkwdblds
7th August 2009, 05:04 AM
Susan Todhunter - died in 1992 at age 46.
Beverly Carter - died in 1992 at age 51
I knew both of these stunningly beautiful women at CCLA.

Susan was an opera singer as were 2 of her 3 sisters. She was a very striking blonde with brown eyes. She could converse in Italian and German as well as her native English. She and her sister Joan would often sing me one of my favorite arias, "dove sono" from Marriage of Figaro by Mozart. I last saw her early in 1992 at the Fort Harrison.

Beverly was an actress, a script writer and also produced a play. She was also blonde with large blue eyes. They both were about 5'7". Bev had a small part in the "Herbie, the Love Bug" movie. She stood on a podium to start the race scene, had pom poms and jumped up in the air and yelled, "Let the race begin." She had a script accepted for the Treasure Island TV show and earned $7k for it and produced a play, "The Casting Director's Couch" in L.A. Also, Bev dated Rod Serling of the TV series, "the Twilight Zone" very heavily back in the 1960's. He was serious about her but he was twice her age and she turned him down. I last saw Bev on Fountain Ave. near L.Ron Hubbard Way in 1986 or 1987.

One of the highlights of my life was on my birthday in December of1972. I was on staff at CCLA and lived on the 3rd floor of an apartment a couple of blocks from the Org. I went to my apartment in the early evening and suddenly there was a lot of honking from a car horn down below my room. I looked out and Susan and Bev were in a convertable with the top down and they yelled out, "Come on down, we're taking you and your Brother for coffee and pie to celebrate your birthday." I did not even know they knew each other and was just blown away by being taken out by two of the most beautiful, talented and fun women I had ever met. It was almost worth living my entire life just for that one magical moment in time when they both showed they cared about me by taking me out.......lkwdblds

michaelangelo
10th August 2009, 05:19 PM
Someone mentioned Amir Geuron on this thread. He was a NOTs auditor circa 1979/80 at AOSH UK when I was on staff. Does anyone know what happened to him exctly?.

Dulloldfart
11th August 2009, 08:17 PM
Someone mentioned Amir Geuron on this thread. He was a NOTs auditor circa 1979/80 at AOSH UK when I was on staff. Does anyone know what happened to him exctly?.

In 1986 he was the Pilots Officer up at Int. A few years later he got busted and was auditing/C/Sing NOTs at AOLA. When I left ITO in 1996 Antonia was still auditing there (ITO).

Amir died a few years back, cancer or something.

Paul

michaelangelo
11th August 2009, 09:25 PM
In 1986 he was the Pilots Officer up at Int. A few years later he got busted and was auditing/C/Sing NOTs at AOLA. When I left ITO in 1996 Antonia was still auditing there (ITO).

Amir died a few years back, cancer or something.

Paul
Thanks Paul. I was wondering what happenned to him.

rifleman56
11th August 2009, 10:01 PM
Paul Mace, 1983, motorcycle accident. He was one of the 4 leads in "The Lords of Flatbush" movie.

I knew Paul Mace, He was on lines at the mission I went to a long time ago.
His wife Judy committed suicide several years later from the bull sh*t ethics handling she was getting.

BAYCB
12th August 2009, 08:53 AM
From the Las Vegas Org:

PERRY PLATT Staff member during the 70s died eariler this year 2009

SHARON KAY CALDWELL Staff member and long time public for 30 years, died result of accident, Oct 2007

Both Perry and Sharon were really good people who will be missed by many.


Ron Minor

I told you I was trouble
17th August 2009, 12:22 PM
John has passed away (13th June 2009).

RIP you gentle soul.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

RogerB
17th August 2009, 12:26 PM
John has passed away (13th June 2009).

RIP you gentle soul.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

Yes, John is a good and gentle soul. An exemplar of a good trooper.

RogerB

RogerB
31st August 2009, 04:07 PM
I have just come across the information that Ray Kemp (as he was familiarly known) passed away on June 1, 1998.

Ray was famous among we old-timers for his many contributions, not only to the technology, but to his fellows in mankind.

I met and came to know him in 1967. He had one of the most powerful presences I have experienced: a Being of immense integrity and spiritual power.

Planet Earth is much better for his having been among us and "doing his thing." And I for one do thank him for his gifts.

RogerB

Iknowtoomuch
31st August 2009, 04:17 PM
In 1986 he was the Pilots Officer up at Int. A few years later he got busted and was auditing/C/Sing NOTs at AOLA. When I left ITO in 1996 Antonia was still auditing there (ITO).

Amir died a few years back, cancer or something.

Paul


I had heard that it was a heart attack. But it was through the grape vine...

auntpat
3rd September 2009, 03:27 AM
Thom and Jae Page owned Delta Meters in the late 60s and early 70s. They built and repaired the old wooden case meters. I think Mark Vs. My husband and I worked for them and I am sure many of you old timers remember them from either buying a meter or having yours fixed very reasonably.

Thom was in his 40s when he had a heart attack. It has been several years ago.

I was not in LA when the church closed them down. So I do not know what happened. But I do know they made good, reliable meters.

Zinjifar
3rd September 2009, 03:44 AM
I was just reading through and all I can say is this is a wonderful thread

Zinj

AnonyMary
25th September 2009, 02:12 PM
I knew Paul Mace, He was on lines at the mission I went to a long time ago.
His wife Judy committed suicide several years later from the bull sh*t ethics handling she was getting.

Judy did NOT commit suicide. She died 3 months after Paul died, in November 1983 in an accident after she was continuously harassed via phone by New York Org exec Pam Bennett to come into the org and work on ROPEC. She lived in Putnam Valley and on that day, there was a terrible snowstorm and after finally giving in to Pam and agreeing to come into the org, she went to the local train station to get the train to NYC and slipped on ice as the train approached the station.

Paul was public at Valley Org and work was picking up when the org decided to clean up the past with the Hobels. Both were put on Repairing Past Ethics, going over all the squirrel stuff the Hobel's ran on them and their child and then doing past track ethics because of it, per ROPEC. Both were no longer Hobel Mission public at this time. Both were very overwhelmed by their auditing done by Gene Hobel (had them auditing BT's) and their costly squirrel ethics handlings done by Arlyn Hobel, who emboddied the word glutton. It cost them their lives and ruined the lives of their children and loved ones. Scientology was no better than the squirrel crap the Hobel's ran on them.

The Hobels refused to flow the public to the orgs to keep the money away from the orgs. A couple of handfuls of public kept the Hobel's lifestyle going for many years. You could even say that it was the Hobel's who were responsible for the very acts they wrongly levied at the other Mission holders. After Int decimated the field in the early 80's, the Hobel's remarkably continued on with their squirrelling. The church finally declared the Hobel's in the mid to late 80's but since he Gene was an Old Timer, it met with much resistence.

People like myself who knew Paul and Judy, and many others as well complained about the Hobel's psychopathic treatment of their public in trying to control them and the squirrel group that it was.

Judy was a heiress and died with little money because of the Hobel's taking it all. Paul's career was prohibited by the Hobels because it did not bring in the large sums of money they wanted. Their child and children by subsequent spouses lost their parents 3 months apart during this attempt to unravel the mess the Hobel's made which they worked hard to suppress from the church.


Lottie Alder once said " I need to do OT VIII before I can handle confronting Arlyn" - that's what a brute she was. I hope the Hobel's are rotting in hell for what they did to Paul, Judy, their family and other victims.

Butterfly
15th October 2009, 12:57 AM
I didn't know Xander really well, but I went to the same school he did for a while. I remember helping him with his studies a few times. What happened?



R.I.P.

Xander Scruby
Lana Econn

clamicide
15th October 2009, 07:41 PM
Jim Hyland, husband of Mary Jo Hyland passed away several weeks ago from a sudden heart attack.

:rose:

skollie
20th October 2009, 06:40 PM
Last week this email was posted on wwp.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/any-anons-child-54510/


Subject: Help for my husband
My husband, Jay, is being hatted by Anna Paddock on the last c/s to depart.

Every day, he moves closer & closer.

He is such a sweet, sweet being -- I would like to steer him towards a Scientology family so that he could have a fresh start from the get-go with parents that love LRH -- and will grow him up in that environment from day one.

He deserves that -- He loves LRH so much -- loves Scn so much -- and when I told him today that I wanted that for him - you would not believe the theta that beamed from him. He's like it all would be okay and worth it.

So, if you know of anyone that is pregnant -- a nice upstat family that are going up the Bridge & would enjoy having a wonderful being that loves LRH, please let me know. And please feel free to tell others. I have pulled in some wonderful beings to help us during this time -- and I have every confidence that we can pull this off for him.

I want this so much for him -- and I would like you to help me with this.

Much much love,
Kay

today this was posted:
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/another-one-takes-21-year-break-jay-proctor-54909/


In Memoriam

Jay Proctor

May 2, 1957 - October 19, 2009

Jay was born in Dallas, Texas. He began his Scientology adventure in 1985, and in June 1987 joined staff at the Dallas Org, where he was Dir Promo & Marketing. Kay regd him for staff, as she was the Asst Dissem Sec for the Dallas Org at the time. He also ran the printing press for Dallas Mission of the Southwest. Jay always had a very strong Third Dynamic and, in fact, put the Third Dynamic above all of his other dynamics.

Jay loved LRH and all he ever wanted was to do both sides of The Bridge. He helped Kay put together the finances for her ARC Straightwire and helped her along from that time forward as she moved up her own Bridge through OT V.

All throughout their 22 years of marriage, Jay and Kay had LRH as their common goal and purpose. LRH and the tech were "the" reason they had their 22 successful years of marriage. Jay always supported Kay and their son Austin, and sacrificed to make a good life for them.

Jay was a true Texan all of his life. He enjoyed life. He loved the outdoors and nature. He loved a good football game, and a good beer or good glass of wine, and treasured his family and his dog. He loved his truck and driving the Texas country.

Jay was strong and courageous, never complaining about the pain or condition he was in. He is a very warm being who kept his wonderful sense of humor to the end of this lifetime. He plans to get trained and do his Bridge fully this coming lifetime.

Jays achievements, contributions and good works in this life are acknowledged. He has truly been a valuable member of the group, and his family and friends thank him for these. We look forward to his swift return.

Kay Proctor

ThisFenceHurts
20th October 2009, 10:19 PM
Heard through the grapevine that Dan Sigal, longtime Flag public, passed away earlier this year from cancer. He was in his fifties. His ex-wife Pam used to work at the Delphi Academy in Clearwater and his children joined the Sea Org many years ago and may or may not still be in. His brother, Steve, is also a Flag public, married to Joanie Sigal.

Some from ARS may remember Dan from there. He often posted as a champion of Scientology from the e-mail address dynamicd@ix.netcom.com and was called into ethics on several occasions for doing so on his own, without "Issue Authority"

Disinfected
18th December 2009, 03:44 PM
Poor Rick Cocco.

Great guy but with a coke habit that became a crack habit that he (and Scientology) could just not lick. He tried so hard to be the good Scientologist until the Church finally had it with him and booted him out. He killed himself soon after. RIP, Rick.

smartone
18th December 2009, 04:33 PM
Adam Hebblewhite (suicide)
Wendy Hebblewhite on OTVII (cancer)
Ian Hebblewhite OTV (cancer)

Wisened One
18th December 2009, 04:43 PM
Poor Rick Cocco.

Great guy but with a coke habit that became a crack habit that he (and Scientology) could just not lick. He tried so hard to be the good Scientologist until the Church finally had it with him and booted him out. He killed himself soon after. RIP, Rick.

So you knew him, too, Dis? Yes, R. I. P, Rick CoCo! Great guy, he was! (and good-looking, too!). So sad! :sad: :rose:

freethinker
18th December 2009, 05:39 PM
David Roussouw - lung cancer (2000)
Kathy Cross - stroke (late 90s)
Oscar DeSaldarriaga - heart attack (early 90s)
Aaron Poulin - suicide (2003?)
Alan Hubbert - brain cancer (2000)

I'm sure I will think of more.

Was that the David Roussouw who was the cramming officer at ITO in1990?

Disinfected
18th December 2009, 05:46 PM
# 1 Scientologist cause of death - Cancer. Prolly detected and treated too late, if at all.
# 2 Scientologist cause of death - Suicide.

freethinker
18th December 2009, 05:55 PM
Paula Marquez - cancer- clear

Andy Ladd - heart attack 2mos after copleting OTVI

Disinfected
18th December 2009, 05:57 PM
So you knew him, too, Dis? Yes, R. I. P, Rick CoCo! Great guy, he was! (and good-looking, too!). So sad! :sad: :rose:

I just looked it up if you are interested in the "time, place, form, and event" :bigcry:

DATE: November 9, 2002
PUBLICATION: Palm Beach Post, The (FL)
EDITION: FINAL
SECTION: LOCAL
PAGE: 2C
MEMO: METRO REPORT

A suburban West Palm Beach man fatally shot himself at 4:15 p.m. on the beach just north of Coral Cove Park near the Martin County line, said Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Diane Carhart. Witnesses said the man, identified as Richard Cocco, 47, shot into the water before taking his own life.

Pooks
18th December 2009, 06:30 PM
Paula Marquez - cancer- clear

Andy Ladd - heart attack 2mos after copleting OTVI

Oh my. This is terrible news. Very sad.

Paula was a lovely woman. I didn't know Andy that well but he seemed like a very nice guy. He lived up there in the boonies in Vermont.

Operating Wog
18th December 2009, 10:11 PM
Oh my. This is terrible news. Very sad.

Paula was a lovely woman. I didn't know Andy that well but he seemed like a very nice guy. He lived up there in the boonies in Vermont.

Yeah, that's sad. Both were very nice people.

I Call BS
4th January 2010, 09:54 AM
Les Platinsky-2002-Clearwater FLA-OT4-cancer

ZANE DAVID JAMES GROSS-the Epic, True Artist-2008-Portland OR-public-suicide

I Call BS
4th January 2010, 09:56 AM
# 1 Scientologist cause of death - Cancer. Prolly detected and treated too late, if at all.
# 2 Scientologist cause of death - Suicide.

Les Platinsky-2002-Clearwater FLA-OT4-cancer

ZANE DAVID JAMES GROSS-the Epic, True Artist-2008-Portland OR-public-suicide? accident?

Pooks
4th January 2010, 11:47 AM
Les Platinsky-2002-Clearwater FLA-OT4-cancer



Les was a very good friend of mine. He was a great guy. Very funny and was very annoyed with the cult at the time of his death.

rifleman56
4th January 2010, 11:00 PM
Judy did NOT commit suicide. She died 3 months after Paul died, in November 1983 in an accident after she was continuously harassed via phone by New York Org exec Pam Bennett to come into the org and work on ROPEC. She lived in Putnam Valley and on that day, there was a terrible snowstorm and after finally giving in to Pam and agreeing to come into the org, she went to the local train station to get the train to NYC and slipped on ice as the train approached the station.

Paul was public at Valley Org and work was picking up when the org decided to clean up the past with the Hobels. Both were put on Repairing Past Ethics, going over all the squirrel stuff the Hobel's ran on them and their child and then doing past track ethics because of it, per ROPEC. Both were no longer Hobel Mission public at this time. Both were very overwhelmed by their auditing done by Gene Hobel (had them auditing BT's) and their costly squirrel ethics handlings done by Arlyn Hobel, who emboddied the word glutton. It cost them their lives and ruined the lives of their children and loved ones. Scientology was no better than the squirrel crap the Hobel's ran on them.

The Hobels refused to flow the public to the orgs to keep the money away from the orgs. A couple of handfuls of public kept the Hobel's lifestyle going for many years. You could even say that it was the Hobel's who were responsible for the very acts they wrongly levied at the other Mission holders. After Int decimated the field in the early 80's, the Hobel's remarkably continued on with their squirrelling. The church finally declared the Hobel's in the mid to late 80's but since he Gene was an Old Timer, it met with much resistence.

People like myself who knew Paul and Judy, and many others as well complained about the Hobel's psychopathic treatment of their public in trying to control them and the squirrel group that it was.

Judy was a heiress and died with little money because of the Hobel's taking it all. Paul's career was prohibited by the Hobels because it did not bring in the large sums of money they wanted. Their child and children by subsequent spouses lost their parents 3 months apart during this attempt to unravel the mess the Hobel's made which they worked hard to suppress from the church.


Lottie Alder once said " I need to do OT VIII before I can handle confronting Arlyn" - that's what a brute she was. I hope the Hobel's are rotting in hell for what they did to Paul, Judy, their family and other victims.

Judy did not die 3 months after Paul. She was married to a guy named John for a while, I went to the wedding. The mission was no longer in existence when Judy was going to the NYC Org. I wasn't around when Judy died but I heard she was going through some major ethics trips at the NY org and decided to end it all. Whether this is true or not I don't know.

The Hobels were very nice people. I knew them for years. Yes Arlyn was pretty tough but she was the ethics officer and that was Scn ethics.

The Hobel children are very nice people and I am still in contact with them They are not practicing Scientologists. I learned a lot from the Hobels and am very glad I met them.

I Call BS
5th January 2010, 05:04 PM
Wow really? I havent met any friends of Les in YEARS!! Would love to hear more from you about him. I miss him and Jan very much, but I believe Jan is still in CLW at Flag. Havnt seen any of that group since he died and I left Clearwater.

Pooks
5th January 2010, 05:57 PM
Wow really? I havent met any friends of Les in YEARS!! Would love to hear more from you about him. I miss him and Jan very much, but I believe Jan is still in CLW at Flag. Havnt seen any of that group since he died and I left Clearwater.

I worked for Les and Jan when they were running their Sunny Days Marketing (sunglass) gig.

They were both very nice people and even generous in that they would help people get started in the business. Les used to refer to most Scio business people as Ferengi's and he pretty much thought that WISE was just completely useless after WISE charged him and Jan big bucks to "arbitrate" a situation with NO results

I heard Jan was out of the Sunglass biz and was now doing something else, maybe investments, but honestly I don't recall.

The IAS and the regs were always after Jan because she made a lot of money. Last I knew, she was on OT 7 (that was years ago) and I don't think she ever completed it.

I Call BS
5th January 2010, 06:21 PM
Me too. did a good six years on teh road with the ex--tried rugs and such in the off-season. When I couldnt tag with the ex due to the kids, I did Jans Admin and was their Comm Sec for a while--helped field many such calls! Its very very nice to meet you and someone else who was there in the same damn game!! Should start a whole new thread just about ROADSIDING as a Scientologist!! LOL!! Tell me more!....


I worked for Les and Jan when they were running their Sunny Days Marketing (sunglass) gig.

They were both very nice people and even generous in that they would help people get started in the business. Les used to refer to most Scio business people as Ferengi's and he pretty much thought that WISE was just completely useless after WISE charged him and Jan big bucks to "arbitrate" a situation with NO results

I heard Jan was out of the Sunglass biz and was now doing something else, maybe investments, but honestly I don't recall.

The IAS and the regs were always after Jan because she made a lot of money. Last I knew, she was on OT 7 (that was years ago) and I don't think she ever completed it.

Pooks
5th January 2010, 06:33 PM
Me too. did a good six years on teh road with the ex--tried rugs and such in the off-season. When I couldnt tag with the ex due to the kids, I did Jans Admin and was their Comm Sec for a while--helped field many such calls! Its very very nice to meet you and someone else who was there in the same damn game!! Should start a whole new thread just about ROADSIDING as a Scientologist!! LOL!! Tell me more!....


Sure, start a new thread. I have pics of the sunglass stand somewhere around here.

P

Telepathetic
6th January 2010, 10:49 AM
Someone mentioned Amir Geuron on this thread. He was a NOTs auditor circa 1979/80 at AOSH UK when I was on staff. Does anyone know what happened to him exctly?.

If it's the same Amir I'm thinking of, he was also a recruiter. Or a least he was sent on recruit tours throughout the EUS.

Was he originally from Mexico?

The Amir I knew was quit a character,funny like hell...a very unique individual. Not at all your typical SO member.

TP

BAYCB
10th January 2010, 07:14 PM
I worked for Les and Jan when they were running their Sunny Days Marketing (sunglass) gig.

They were both very nice people and even generous in that they would help people get started in the business. Les used to refer to most Scio business people as Ferengi's and he pretty much thought that WISE was just completely useless after WISE charged him and Jan big bucks to "arbitrate" a situation with NO results

I heard Jan was out of the Sunglass biz and was now doing something else, maybe investments, but honestly I don't recall.

The IAS and the regs were always after Jan because she made a lot of money. Last I knew, she was on OT 7 (that was years ago) and I don't think she ever completed it.

I knew Jan and Les back in the 70's when they were on staff in LV. Jan was the HES. I don't remember what post Les had. After staff they started a Deli called the Pony Express here in Vegas. After giving that a try they went to flag where Les was a gourmet chef. I always wondered what became of them down at the Meca. I heard that Les had passed away but no info on it.

Early last year Jan was the center of an event at the LV org as being a founding staff member. The event was being used to recurit for the Idea Org. As I was not invited, didn't have a chance to talk with her. She is still very much in the thick of things with COS.

Les was a great guy and everyone here that knew him still misses him.

Ho Tai
10th January 2010, 07:38 PM
Amir was from the Middle East - perhaps Lebanon. I forgot what happened to him - I think it was something sudden, like a heart attack. He was a tours reg at AOLA around 2005 - came through my org a couple of times doing an "enlightenment tour". Definitely put on a good show, better than the usual batch of LRH quotes. He was special.

skollie
25th January 2010, 08:54 PM
Suzanna Sudalnik peacefully departed her body on September 19th, 2009. Suzy was a beautiful person who had endless ARC for people. She always left people feeling better about themselves. She tirelessly helped promote Scientology during her 35 years as a devout member of the Church. She is well known for her many theta Freewinds events and for her uptone Portland Org building fundraiser events. She will be dearly missed by her husband, daughter and son.

Gib Campion peacefully departed his body in January, 2007.


James F. Aubrey, Jr., from Sacramento, CA, dropped his body on September 17th, 2009. He was a Class VI Auditor, and he introduced many to The Bridge as a staff member in the 70's and early 80's, including his sister Kelli. She is now a New OT VIII. He'd recently gotten through his Congresses and Basics Books and Lectures. His friends and family look forward to his speedy return.


Eric Malm dropped his body on July 20th, 2009. He was a long-time Scientologist and Class IV auditor. He was introduced to Scientology in the 70s while attending UCLA, and joined staff at Westwood Mission soon afterwards. He helped many people onto The Bridge, especially his family, several of whom are now OTs, on staff and in the Sea Organization. We wish him well and look forward to his return. -The Malm Family


On May 7th 2009, Catherine A. Baird departed her body. Cathy had been in Scientology since September of 1992 and was on staff for 16 1/2 years at Redwood City Mission. We look forward to welcoming her return.


From a post Pooks made at WWP
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/completions-auditor-asho-magazines-60277/

Mick Wenlock
26th January 2010, 02:47 AM
Amir was from the Middle East - perhaps Lebanon. I forgot what happened to him - I think it was something sudden, like a heart attack. He was a tours reg at AOLA around 2005 - came through my org a couple of times doing an "enlightenment tour". Definitely put on a good show, better than the usual batch of LRH quotes. He was special.

Amir was Israeli. Nice guy.

billheichert
7th February 2010, 07:10 PM
Duncan Gurtin- not sure if sppelled right OT 8 LV Cancer maybe 50 yo
Steve Harris-OT8 brain cancer about 50 yo
David Scott Sutter - I think clear, late 40's I think it eas a cancer...
Don Currier- ot 7 (maybe ot8) brain cancer

These are not recent deaths but they we well known in scn circles. As far as I know, all were still in when they died.

CarmeloOrchards
7th February 2010, 07:28 PM
Ruthie Discher...(formerly Silverman)....dies a coupl of years ago....
She was a long time SO Member...a reg who really seemed to care about people...and in my experience could give a damn about the stats.
Nic

Ruthie Weissberg?

CarmeloOrchards
7th February 2010, 07:41 PM
Allow me to add:

Alan Albert, by suicide, when his wife, Jerrye, of decades left him because he left the church.

Sally Chaleff, cancer, and Sea Org mindset. Scientology took her from top model to wasted in a short time.

Bob Ross

Mike Leube, an odd dude, put up the money for a center in Menlo Park, CA. Survived a falling chimney in an LA earthquake. - in fact slept through the whole thing on Joey Allesandrini's couch, with the fireplace collapsed next to his head. Suicide after being in the SO.

Rod Selmier

Ted
7th February 2010, 09:29 PM
Allow me to add:

Alan Albert, by suicide, when his wife, Jerrye, of decades left him because he left the church.

Sally Chaleff, cancer, and Sea Org mindset. Scientology took her from top model to wasted in a short time.

Bob Ross

Mike Leube, an odd dude, put up the money for a center in Menlo Park, CA. Survived a falling chimney in an LA earthquake. - in fact slept through the whole thing on Joey Allesandrini's couch, with the fireplace collapsed next to his head. Suicide after being in the SO.

Rod Selmier


I kinda wonder how many have died of the slow, less noticeable suicide of just giving up.

Kutta
7th February 2010, 11:19 PM
Just a wee comment: We have a number of nationalities posted as Amir Geuron's: Mexican, Middle Eastern/Lebanese, and Mick's quite definite Israeli. When I knew him at SHUK late 70s, I thought he was Italian! But when I think about it now "Amir" sounds definitely an Arabic (not Jewish) name, but Geuron certainly doesn't. And he did have an Israeli, not Arabic persona imo. He was married to Antoinette who I have read somewhere is still an auditor in LA. They seemed very much in love. I'm sure she is a lost soul without him.

skollie
8th February 2010, 04:16 AM
Just a wee comment: We have a number of nationalities posted as Amir Geuron's: Mexican, Middle Eastern/Lebanese, and Mick's quite definite Israeli. When I knew him at SHUK late 70s, I thought he was Italian! But when I think about it now "Amir" sounds definitely an Arabic (not Jewish) name, but Geuron certainly doesn't. And he did have an Israeli, not Arabic persona imo. He was married to Antoinette who I have read somewhere is still an auditor in LA. They seemed very much in love. I'm sure she is a lost soul without him.

He was married to Antonia.

Kutta
8th February 2010, 06:05 AM
Oh, sorry i got her name wrong. She was (probably still is) some lady and very British. I've also learned since my earlier post that Amir is in fact a Hebrew name.

I told you I was trouble
8th February 2010, 06:10 AM
Oh, sorry i got her name wrong. She was (probably still is) some lady and very British. I've also learned since my earlier post that Amir is in fact a Hebrew name.

You are correct though Kutta ... he was Italian.

:bigcry:

Kookaburra
8th February 2010, 07:22 AM
Ruthie Weissberg?

I think that was her maiden name. Ruthie, the ASHO Div 6 reg/PES.

Fancy
9th February 2010, 05:03 AM
Sherman F. Craig - Passed Feb 5, 2010 - Massive Stroke he had a DNR. Mercy Hospital, Buffalo, NY USA.

Church put him in great debt. When he was in the assisted living they took all his funds on account and sent him the BASICS with out permission.

He had many strokes so the last one was the one that did him in.

Barb

The Great Zorg
9th February 2010, 06:06 AM
Both were from the 80's and both were from Ontario, Canada....

Cindy Scott English ~ Former E/O; Cancer: auditing "helped" (yeah, sure it did! Grrr!!!!)

Brad Pinch ~ Former Mission ED; Suicide: disconnection and freeloader debt

AnonyMary
9th February 2010, 07:19 AM
Sherman F. Craig - Passed Feb 5, 2010 - Massive Stroke he had a DNR. Mercy Hospital, Buffalo, NY USA.

Church put him in great debt. When he was in the assisted living they took all his funds on account and sent him the BASICS with out permission.

He had many strokes so the last one was the one that did him in.

Barb

Hi Fancy,

So sad to read this:bigcry:

I see that Mr. Craig was over 80 years old...... do you know how long he was a scientologist? It mades me so mad to know that Scientologists acted like vultures to a vulnerable older adult!!

Was his daughter Barbara a scientologist? I see that the Barbara Craig I knew of from NY Org has left scientology! Are they related?
http://www.ftc.gov/os/comments/iphearings/540872-00001.htm

' Mary McConnell '

skollie
17th February 2010, 08:48 PM
Henry Rodriguez has died. (from WWP)


Henry Rodriguez, Chiropractor, passed away suddenly on eve of 2 Nov '09. Henry leaves his wife, Maria Felix Rodriguez (Power FSM, CC Int), and their daughter Marisol Powell, and grandson, Christopher. Henry was known for his humor, his caring and gentle manner, and his willingness to go to people's homes--day or night--to help. His Memorial Service will be this Sunday, 8 November 2009, at 10:30 a.m., within CC Int's Pavillion.

While the family regroups with their resources, anyone who'd like to like to donate to help offset expenses, are welcome. Accepting on their behalf are Marie Warren (323-******, UltimateFood@gmail.com), and Christine Huber-Meyer (323-*******, basicorder@earthlink.net). Please contact for any questions/help. As well, one may send any personal commications and help directly to: Maria Felix Rodriguez or Marisol Powell, 15007 Burbank Blvd, #113, Van Nuys CA 91411.

Thank you.
Lv, Rie

Petey C
18th February 2010, 02:42 AM
Colin Gow died? My god, he was so young. (Sorry, I know this is a reply long after you posted it, but I'm still newish. Does anyone know how or why?

Carmel
18th February 2010, 02:50 AM
Colin Gow died? My god, he was so young. <snip> Does anyone know how or why?
See this post:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=143007&postcount=6

skollie
18th February 2010, 02:51 AM
Panda wrote about Colin's death here:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=143007&postcount=6



I'd like to bring to your attention the hidden death of ANZO SO member Colin Gow.
Some details remain sketchy but here's what I know;
Colin was a wonderful character, a Chinese-Australian, who served the SO and CofS faithfully for over 15 years.
He was very well known and loved in Sydney.
He died some time ago after a horrendous battle with cancer of the jaw. He was in his 30s, I believe, and prior to the cancer would have been considered to be in the prime of his life.
Colin was posted away from Sydney to South Africa to assist with the Bridge flow to the AO. Whilst in SA he had dental problems, undoubtedly the result of inadequate dental care over the preceding 15 years of SO service. A molar became infected but he was unable to get funds or approval for proper treatment. He soldiered on regardless of the constant pain and continued to produce on post.
Time passed, his molar rotted, the abscess and infection worsened... it became cancer of the jaw.
I met him again near the end of his life after many years of not seeing him, we had always been good friends in happier days. He either couldn't or didn't want to talk about it. We held hands, I hugged him, we both cried.
He was shunted away from all lines and placed in a hospice to die, he ended his days there.
I went to talk to another friend who had been helping him with the dressing of his cancerous facial wounds, she was in tears too.
We were both crying over the same thing, the senseless waste of a brilliant young man's life for the want of $200 in dental treatment!
Colin's Chinese family were understandably outraged at the mistreatment their beloved son had received after giving half of his life in service to the CofS. I agree with their rancor completely.
I don't recall any mention of his death, funeral, or the circumstances leading up to his death ever being made public until now. (I may be wrong about this).
I know one thing with absolute certainty; as far as the SO is concerned, he's not coming back!
Rest in Peace, Colin.

Petey C
18th February 2010, 02:52 AM
See this post:

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=143007&postcount=6

I worked with Colin at Sydney Org, he was a lovely, gentle guy and this story makes me weep.

And I have to add .. Mike Eves, died 21 Feb 2009 in LA, lung cancer. RIP.

Thought Provoking
6th March 2010, 01:17 AM
Fogfreetimes2 said: "Megalomaniac-Paul was also our supe for many years, died from heart problems.
Judy-injured her leg, went untreated by proper medical, result was a blood clot or perhaps a stroke, either way, the result was from lack of proper care, I believe SNR C/S was comm ev'd over this.
Mark-yes he devoted all his life to the COS. Had a medical issue which resulted in amputation of his legs, returned to staff in a wheelchair but was offloaded, wheelchaired staff was considered out PR.
Some of these details were given to me by someone else. If anyone knows different details, please let me know."

I have known Judy for a long time. I worked with her at Delphi and SNC. She always wanted to audit and I had some awesome sessions with her! She always had very high ARC and made it very safe to be in session with her. My heart goes out to her family.

I know that Judy did in fact get medical attention, there is more to this story. Understandable if the SNR/CS got comm eved, I always respected her and she truly seemed to care about staff and public.

Paul was the Div 2 reg when he died of a heart attack.

Mark did have medical problems and amputations resulting from long term smoking. He was warned about the seriousness of the problem but would not quit. He did come back to post for a while but I believe that he chose to end his staff position and was allowed to do so.

mate
20th March 2010, 10:55 PM
Tim Skog apparently died from emphysema a few weeks ago. 2010
Rest In Peace

Sandie
21st March 2010, 01:18 AM
:rose::rose:RIP ALAN WALTERS AND CAROLYN PATTERSON

Boojuum
21st March 2010, 02:23 AM
Was Ruth Discher married to Paul Discher?

Don Currier was ED in Boston in '76 or '77. Compelling guy who was comm ev'd and declared. I heard he ran a haberdashery for a while and apparently got back in. He was one of only a handful of OT's in Boston at the time and always appeared capable. He was electrifying. Anyone know more of his story and what happened to his wife Betty?

Fancy
21st March 2010, 02:41 AM
Sadie Craig died in about 2002. She was diabetic, went blind and lost her kidney's. She tried to handle stuff naturally but she was convinced to do the treatments which gave her more years of life to see a great grandchild.

She was smarter than her daughter she figured out the church well before she did. She used to watch TV and found about Lisa. McPerson.

She lived in dialysis for 5 years till it no longer worked, she got MRSA and then medical system refused her medical insurance. Shipped her to hospital that did not know her history and she did not get treatment till it was late. She died in her sleep. I guess that is the best way to go.

Hoodwinked
21st March 2010, 03:37 AM
A couple of years ago a friend of mine told me that Mark Gale had died. Mark had a brother in Scientology -- musician Gordy Gale. Mark was OT VII and had been working at the Scn ranch/school in New Mexico. When I knew Mark, he was living in Glendale, CA, and was married to Sandra. They had two children, Julia and Kyle.

Wisened One
21st March 2010, 05:05 AM
Fogfreetimes2 said: "Megalomaniac-Paul was also our supe for many years, died from heart problems.


WHA?!?! :ohmy: WHO?????

Wisened One
21st March 2010, 05:06 AM
Tim Skog apparently died from emphysema a few weeks ago. 2010
Rest In Peace

:rose: :sad: R.I.P, Tim Skog!

skollie
21st March 2010, 06:10 AM
R.I.P, Tim Skog

:rose:

Magoo
17th April 2010, 11:18 PM
Great thread........so sad. I've tried to read much of it, but missed a few pages, so IF these are duplicates, my apologies.

Cam Solari---Cancer (tried to handle it "all naturally), died on OT 7

Jeromy Cassowitz (think name spelled wrong): Suicide (on auditing lines at CC at the time), hung himself. First young person I knew who took their own life.

Phillip Gayle: Jumped out of a 15 story window on L. Ron Hubbard's B-day at M.I.T. (University here in US). Mother was spokesperson for CCHR (against Psychiatry) and per his classmates he wanted out. He helped create Earthlink.

James Dries (20+) Shot himself to death--one parent "in", one out

Ed Mooney..First OT 8 to die/Anurism

Meagan Shield's daughter hung herself.

I knew *tons* of OT 5-8 people who died, but I am sorry I cannot remember
all of their names.

May the ALL Rest in Peace~~:rose:

Tory/Magoo

Telepathetic
18th April 2010, 12:57 AM
May they rest in peace.:rose::rose:

TP

TG1
18th April 2010, 01:23 AM
snip
Meagan Shield's daughter hung herself.
snip
Tory/Magoo

So sorry to hear this, Tory. Many people don't care for Megan, but she was an absolutely wonderful doctor to me the many years I was in L.A. I was very fond of her. So sorry for their loss.

TG1

Wisened One
18th April 2010, 04:11 AM
When did this happen? Re: Megan's daughter? And was she a scn? :unsure:

Megalomaniac
18th April 2010, 05:05 AM
WHA?!?! :ohmy: WHO?????

Paul Friccero (spelling ?). I remember him as the Academy Course Admin, Stevens Creek Org, in 1989. But I think he was highly trained as a Supervisor.

Pooks
18th April 2010, 12:29 PM
When did this happen? Re: Megan's daughter? And was she a scn? :unsure:

I believe it was 2005. Not sure if she was a scio or not.

BAYCB
24th April 2010, 07:35 AM
This is from her Scientology web page:

Hello, my name is Tracy Yeich, and here is a little bit about myself:

I am the Director of an Applied Scholastics school which uses the study technology of L. Ron Hubbard. My daughter, who is 10, attends this school and is actually 1 year ahead of grade level.
My husband is, also, a Scientologist who is an auditor (a Scientology counselor). By using Scientology in our family, we have achieved a very harmonious and supportive family life. I was always very successful in life; i.e. straight "A" student, valedictorian, graduated college with High Distinction, attended George Washington University when I worked in the U.S. Senate, but still there was something missing - a way to improve it. I came upon Scientology and it helped me uncover answers within myself. It's great!http://www.oursites.org/hand.gif
--------------------------
May she rest in peace. :rose:

Ron Minor

skollie
24th April 2010, 07:39 AM
That's way too young to die.


TRACY YEICH Tracy Kathleen Yeich, 55, a teacher, of Las Vegas, passed away April 17, 2010. Memorial service will be at 1 p.m. Sunday, April 25, at the Church of Scientology, 2761 Emerson Ave., Las Vegas, NV 89121.


http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/lvrj/obituary.aspx?n=tracy-yeich&pid=142157882

An article by her husband:
http://darnfunnyonline.com/in-loving-memory-of-my-wife-tracy-yeich/

R.I.P.

billheichert
24th April 2010, 01:06 PM
I knew Tracy for years in Las Vegas as my duaghter went to her school. Tracy was a very loving, caring and dedicated person. She was too young to die...

Every time that a scn I know dies of cancer I feel a bit guilty as maybe if I would have been more vocal maybe they would have left the dangerous cult.

I am still of the opinion that the "tech" of scn is a dangerous fraud that has killed, ruined lives, and ruined families. There have been too many cancer deaths on the ot levels. If only they could see...

My thoughts go out to her daughter and her husband Steve....

AnonyMary
24th April 2010, 04:14 PM
I knew Tracy for years in Las Vegas as my duaghter went to her school. Tracy was a very loving, caring and dedicated person. She was too young to die...

Every time that a scn I know dies of cancer I feel a bit guilty as maybe if I would have been more vocal maybe they would have left the dangerous cult.

I am still of the opinion that the "tech" of scn is a dangerous fraud that has killed, ruined lives, and ruined families. There have been too many cancer deaths on the ot levels. If only they could see...

My thoughts go out to her daughter and her husband Steve....

Very sad. But did you read this quote from her husband?

"Just as she was a success in this life she will go on to her next life and be successful in that one too. She loved to organize things, it was her forte. While Im not worried about her moving on and doing well it would comfort me to know where she is. So, if you see a young girl in a couple years with all her toys lined up and very efficiently organized that very well could be Tracy. Id appreciate it if youd let me know that you found her."

This is the delusion of Scientology, to look to death in this way. Total enial. Poor guy, lost the love of his life and thinks it will work out like this.

RolandRB
24th April 2010, 05:45 PM
Very sad. But did you read this quote from her husband?

"Just as she was a success in this life she will go on to her next life and be successful in that one too. She loved to organize things, it was her forte. While Im not worried about her moving on and doing well it would comfort me to know where she is. So, if you see a young girl in a couple years with all her toys lined up and very efficiently organized that very well could be Tracy. Id appreciate it if youd let me know that you found her."

This is the delusion of Scientology, to look to death in this way. Total enial. Poor guy, lost the love of his life and thinks it will work out like this.

It's not as daft as Christianity and the idea of meeting up at the Second Coming.

FoTi
24th April 2010, 06:08 PM
Very sad. But did you read this quote from her husband?

"Just as she was a success in this life she will go on to her next life and be successful in that one too. She loved to organize things, it was her forte. While Im not worried about her moving on and doing well it would comfort me to know where she is. So, if you see a young girl in a couple years with all her toys lined up and very efficiently organized that very well could be Tracy. Id appreciate it if youd let me know that you found her."

This is the delusion of Scientology, to look to death in this way. Total enial. Poor guy, lost the love of his life and thinks it will work out like this.

It just might work out like this. What proof do you have that it won't?

AnonSunshine
24th April 2010, 07:34 PM
Alan Kartuzinsky - Nov. 6, 2009 - 58 y/o cancer - H. Moffit Cancer Institute - Tampa, FL - FL Flag CS - Class XII auditor

doublevee
25th April 2010, 12:51 AM
Sara Clark, Dir I&R LA Day
Chris Currier, Delphi LA

Do you know how Chris died? Was he the Currier brother that had brain damage from a car accident, or was it one of the other boys? :no: They were in my brother's class at Delphi.

doublevee
25th April 2010, 12:58 AM
Aaron Poulin - suicide (2003?)

I heard Aaron hung himself at the HI... does anyone know if this is true? Didn't he have a sister? I was so sad to hear that he's gone. He would have been way too young, and I'm sick of hearing about my fellow Scn kids killing themselves.

doublevee
25th April 2010, 01:05 AM
Stacey Moxon - She was a friend of mine. Even though you all know of her - I knew her and was horrified to hear about her death.

She was my friend, too, altho not a close one. In fact Stacey is why I joined the SO. I really looked up to her. I didn't know she was gone until I started finally doing searches on the internet four years ago. I was shocked and cried for her. I hate that all that time I thought she was "uplines" too busy to be seen by us lower level people. :bigcry:

AnonyMary
25th April 2010, 01:12 AM
It just might work out like this. What proof do you have that it won't?

Foti, have you ever unexpectedly lost a scientologist loved one while in Scientology? If you haven't then you won't get it.

doublevee
25th April 2010, 01:49 AM
My father, Phillip Mitchell. He died of cancer as well, in 2002. Dr Denk didn't find it until he only had 3 weeks left to live (after being sick for years). He was on the SOLO course at AOLA. :'(

AnonyMary
25th April 2010, 07:30 PM
My father, Phillip Mitchell. He died of cancer as well, in 2002. Dr Denk didn't find it until he only had 3 weeks left to live (after being sick for years). He was on the SOLO course at AOLA. :'(

:omg: :console:

Ex_SaintHill
25th April 2010, 08:21 PM
Dalene Gouws- Former Captain AOSH UK
:bigcry:

Pooks
25th April 2010, 10:06 PM
Dalene Gouws- Former Captain AOSH UK
:bigcry:


Oh my. Any more details? When? How?

BAYCB
25th April 2010, 10:54 PM
Very sad. But did you read this quote from her husband?

This is the delusion of Scientology, to look to death in this way. Total enial. Poor guy, lost the love of his life and thinks it will work out like this.

Why turn this tread into a put down of Steve's beliefs. I believe there are many other areas on this site which would be more appropriate for your comments.

Steve loved Tracy very much. I hope it does work out for him the way he believes, as I also do for you, whenever that time may come.

Ron Minor

Ex_SaintHill
26th April 2010, 07:29 PM
Oh my. Any more details? When? How?



Hmm, Im not sure exactly when, but I think it was around 2000, maybe a bit later. I think she died of cancer. It was all kept quite. I know she was looked after by Cheryl Laws up to her death.

skollie
26th April 2010, 08:07 PM
Here is a remembrance page:

http://rememberingso.org/dalene_regenass.html

Pooks
26th April 2010, 10:40 PM
Thanks for the info Ex St. Hill and Skollie.

P

FoTi
26th April 2010, 11:52 PM
Foti, have you ever unexpectedly lost a scientologist loved one while in Scientology? If you haven't then you won't get it.

No, I never lost a Scientologist loved one while in Scientology, but I don't think it matters whether the one lost was in Scientology or not as to whether they might come back around again. It's not only Scientologists who come up with memories of having lived before this life. It's nothing new and no one has proved conclusively, either way, that one does or doesn't come back around again. From what I've experienced and what I've observed in others, I think they do.....you think they don't. I can't prove that they do and I asked you what proof you have that they don't, since you are being so emphatic about it, and seem to know and seem to be stating without any doubt what happens or I should say, doesn't happen to a person after they die. Do you really know what happens to a person or the spirit after the body dies?