I try to tell you all when someone is getting out,
or has gotten out and contacted me. I certainly cannot with all
of them, for various reasons...All but this one, so far, have been
happy results. This one
was not. One person was doing this, recently,
and suddenly wrote me saying they had to "disconnect" from me.:omg:Now post their message on this board - show it on your video- tell the people that come to you for help that if they go back in - you will go public on them. YOU MUST exert just enough pressure to GET THE TECH IN - THE GET OUT OF THE CULT TECH that we all wrote! Could have been OSA just messing with you! Tell us their story!!:drama:

Today I get this message:

"Hello Ms. Christman,

I am very sorry for the response but, we are now investigating the matter of this message. Also, I have no source of previous reply of this message. I do know of your status with the church and am sorry for any repulsive messages from staff. Please, do disregard any further messages and if you can please send me the message that made you reply. I am taking over this matter and want to make matters better and not concieve any further actions. Also, I read your other message and would like an understanding of what happened. Where you trying to meet this individual? And for what purpose was the meeting? As, I am also working on other matters on this acct. I am also wanting to know what was the matter of the first contact you had with this individual."

Here is my response to them...whomever they are which they were too chickenshit to say their name, naturally.


"You can take your "investigations" and put them where the sun don't shine. You are SUPPOSED to be a "religion". You fail at this day after day.
This is just one more proof that you are SO far from religion,
it isn't funny.

Thank GOD I escaped out of there!"
__________________________________________________ ______

Every single day I give thanks for being out of that mafia-like
organization, pretending to be a "church". TO the person who DID
contact me----don't let them manipulate you. Follow your heart, please.

Do what YOU want to do---not what they "convince" you is "right".

Freedom doesn't take "Convincing".

My best to ALL :cheers:

Tory/Magoo

PS: I know my response to whomever this moron was writing that wasn't "nice".
I am ticked off that they have stopped this relatively young person from getting out...
and are now "investigating" what happened. It is NONE of their business!

Concorde fallacy.

He wasn't really a Scientolovist, but he did have some low-level auditing, and used an e-meter sometimes at the Spahn ranch. He expressed contempt for Scientologists, and said he gone "way beyond Clear.° Well, he did reach the top of his field...

See, people keep saying that and saying that and saying that. It just isn't true of all Indies or FreeZoners. It's misleading, untrue and unfair.

I've known a lot of Indies and FZers who do NOT think it's all DM and not Hubbard, and who are critical of Hubbard.

I've pointed this out many times. People who are indies/independents and/or FZers have posted that opinion, too.

Yet people keep trotting out the same old bullshit. I think the "standard tech" must be altered and twisted in order to work. For example: If people critize Scientology, they have crimes they are hiding. NO - they are PISSED and have a reason to be PISSED :grouch: They have spent TOO MUCH MONEY on broken and shattered promises of "CLEAR" and OATEE abilities that simply do not exist. Have you seen one that matches the EEPEE? I have not! Anyone seen one that matches?

There are some people to whom your thesis applies. But it's not a generality, it's not always true.

Okay Gadfly, start of sec check.

Have you ever farted in the general direction of an OT? Gadfly: Why, yes I have and the Oatee liked it! It made him feel nine feet tall and bullet proof to be able to confront THAT!:hysterical:Now that is cause over matter, energy, space and farts! He was so glad he spent his entire life time and $1,000,000 to go Oatee to "confront" my dreadful bank of farts and live to tell others about his amazing WINS!

Rd00

Interesting to me that Scientologists are all about optimum health and no toxics yet they buy styrofoam coffee cups for the org. :hysterical:

These have to be the best videos ever. Some Anon protesters getting TOLD by scientologists. They sure showed those evil protesters! :thumbsup:


http://youtu.be/jCGm8mgScLE

http://youtu.be/-0AOPFip_30

Hi everyone,

thanks for the welcome to this site. I am glad some of you liked reading what I've written so far. I want to write it all down and really its for people who don't have much of a clue about Scn. I expect most of what I write you'll have experienced or heard of before and so, one reason its been placed here is so I can get feedback and criticisms and ideas of how to make it understandable to the average joe. I've been out for over 13 years and still find it difficult to examine the effects it has had on my life - mainly since I'm not fully aware of how I was before the SO or where my life would have gone in the 5 years the SO dominated my life.

Hope I don't make any enemies when I say this but, even tho I'm no longer on org lines and never do plan to be again, I believe there is some very helpful tech in Scn - its just that its all rolled up in a massive science fiction that makes it hard to pick apart the good and the bad.

Cheers

Assuming that there was at least some validity to the subject to start with, an emphasis on exact duplication/transmitted 100% without any misunderstoods/an emphasis on exact duplication of techniques as opposed to an understanding of the underlying philosophy of the subject which is supposed to be senior to the tech (as per a discussion by Ray Kemp, the video file of which should should still be on xenutv) ... all of that, as opposed to an emphasis on allowing/encouraging the tech to evolve was a guarantee that things came to where they are today and where they are headed to by Cof$.

Take a hypothetical case of Zenith vs RCA circa 1946 with the first TV sets that came out. Let's say that Zenith went the Ron route, and had a corporate culture of EXACT DUPLICATION ... "we must safeguard the tech since we have a workable TV set" ... with a 9" round black and white picture tube and this huge enclosure filled with vacuum tubes, etc. Suppose RCA went the route of "technology evolves". Guess which company goes out of business.

Again, assuming at least some validity to the subject ... if the objective was truely "planetary clearing" as opposed to "make money, make more money" then structuring the bridge to get people trained up to solo audit at the earliest possible point would be the way to go. Ken Ogger did some work along those lines, his material is available for free on the web.

Bottom line ... technology has to evolve and progress just to stay current with everything else that is evolving and progressing. Otherwise, why bother with e-meters and auditing sessions, just join the Amish.

Pete

Like Ron, you can attest when you are really, really Rundown.

Idle Morgue,

My purpose (Such as it is. That and a few bux will get ya a latte...) in writing the thread op was not to defend tech or represent any possible theoretical merits thereof.

An underlying ...ology/ism can be pretty fucked up but that does not make it the organization. See my analogy about Catholicism and my oh-so-detailed explanation in the thread op. HUH? :ohmy:

Your pal-in-criticism,
Me

Idle Morgue,

My purpose (Such as it is. That and a few bux will get ya a latte...) in writing the thread op was not to defend tech or represent any possible theoretical merits thereof.

An underlying ...ology/ism can be pretty fucked up but that does not make it the organization. See my analogy about Catholicism and my oh-so-detailed explanation in the thread op. HUH?

Your pal-in-criticism,
Me

I'm pretty sure he could be handled. I can't imagine he'll ever get his upper bridge. Some pretty heavy stuff happened to him in Miami. Not his fault but pretty sure he'll be blocked at some point after what happened. He must realize this. He really should be Ex and he really should tell his story. :yes: Right Michelle??

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...a_magnotta.php

Here's some clips of a post from the Village Voice.

"As the world tries to hunt down porn actor and murder suspect Luka Rocco Magnotta, Canada's National Post today pointed out something interesting -- Magnotta, 29, apparently converted to Scientology a few years ago.

Activists over at WhyWeProtest.net, naturally, were on to this months ago, when Magnotta first gained notoriety after he was blamed for posting to the Internet in January 2010 a notorious video of two kittens being strangled.

Now, Magnotta's in much more trouble, on the run after mailing parts of a man he allegedly killed and dismembered -- while videotaping it -- and then disappearing from his Montreal home. He's now thought to be hiding in France, and Interpol is on his trail.

We looked around and found evidence that this monster did become active in Scientology about five years ago. We've sent a request to the Church for a statement.

At a blog from 2007, Magnotta posts two very mechanical statements about Scientology. The first reads as though Magnotta cut and paste it from a Scientology website:

<snip>

The second post is an even longer, and just as generic, description of Scientology's basic concepts.

<snip>
In 2008, Magnotta also appears to have spoken up for Scientology at an Amazon.com forum that was titled "Scientology is a cult, with very real risks for its members who are abused and taken advantage of!"...

Pardon me, Let me clarify something to you please sir...I am a member of the Church and I dont appreciate you talking negatively about them.
I am not being taken advantage of and they have been a big help in my life. Nor am I abused. I feel better then ever being associated with them, alot of very wonderful people, I need the church.

Sincerely Luka Magnotta

<snip>

As for Magnotta's bizarre past, the National Post points out several lowlights of his life....

<snip>

One of the eeriest and most recent blog posts, however, was posted in March, 2012, and titled "Necrophilia Serial Killer Luka Magnotta." It describes his sexual attraction to dead bodies. A CLEARED CANNIBAL IS A CLEARED CANNIBAL!:omg: WTF??

"It's not cool to the world being a necrophiliac . . . I don't see myself as some creepy pervert. I'm just somebody who has feelings, real feelings, for dead men."


Gee, I somehow don't think his auditor was doing a good job!

I hope this goes mainstream. The story is already being followed around the world. Adding Scientology to the mix of gay porn star, rape, kitten strangling, murder, necrophilia, dismemberment, and mailing icky packages to political parties is just going to add icing.

Clearly, you have MASSIVE overts! You are stuck in a whole track electronic incident and simply want to stop EVERYTHING, and, in particular, deep down, because you have crimes, you want to stop anything that can improve conditions. So tell me, Morgy, JUST WTF ARE YOUR CRIMES??????????????????????????????????????? Just tell me, you will start to feel better once you have confessed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Okay, OKay Pete. I confess! I "did" Scientology. I drank the KOOL-AID. I believed in Blubbard. I donated to the IAS - BIG TIME. I breathed life into the EVIL CULT THAT IS SCIENTOLOGY.
Who missed it? YOU DID. What did you do that made me wonder whether or not you knew? You asked me! WOW...I feel sooooooo much better. No, there is not an earlier, similar time that I did that to myself. What, my TONE ARM IS FLOATING. END OF SESSION! Thanks Pete...that Ethics training did pay off after all. I feel so FREEEEEEE:party:

You say YOU want to flourish and prosper????? That what Scientology is THERE for ... to HELP PEOPLE FLOURISH AND PROSPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! What you don't get is that OUTFLOW EQUALS INFLOW!!!!!! There simply can not be any inflow without any outflow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And in Scientology, the only game where everybody wins, your inflow will greatly EXCEED your outflow, but first you must FLOW US SOME POWER. There has been NO SUCH THING as auditing ... the way to get OUT OF THE TRAP here in the physical universe, not for TRILLIONS OF YEARS, not on ANY planet in ANY star system, not in QUADRILLIONS OF GALAXIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not only do you have crimes, but you are a miserable little nattering espee at that!!!!! Quit your phuggen whining already ... there are TRILLIONS of dollars flying around the planet EACH DAY ... HUGE, HUGE flows of capital ... and all we are asking you to do is to put in one tiny little finger, cause a teensy, tiny little eddy current, and capture a measley few hundred thousand dollars to get your sorry, ingrate ass up the bridge and out of the trap! Sheesh! Just WTF is your major malfunction that you simply refuse to get a little causative here???????????????

Actually, perhaps that isn't the problem at all ... perhaps you are really a BIG being, and we haven't mocked up a large enough game for you ... so TRY THIS ONE ... Today is Friday ... you have until next Thursday at 2 to have 1.6 MILLION dollars on account to cover not only YOUR bridge but also for TWO FAMILY MEMBERS! Now you get busy and AT CAUSE!!!!! Make your postulates stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I expect you back in my office before next Thurdsday with a HUGE SUCCESS STORY TO WRITE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Pete

That the Tech is always right and that auditors are the most valuables beings on this planet and this is one of the reasons they get very low pay.


Opter

I suppose that on OTIX is where the pre-ot finds that there are shitloads of beetees still hiding out in his space. They were previously undetected because not only were they clustered, but they were enclosed in pods, similar to the pods that horse chestnuts are in on trees. These pods were mistaken for some other case phenomena, due to an espee transcriptionist altering the definition for floating needles and other alter-ises. But now that these pods are seen for what they are, cases are flying and the results are nothing short of amazing. Redges are standing by right now to schedule your auditing and/or work with you to get up the bridge, just call 1-800-roadapple AND THE COST: $1,000,000,000 PLUS THREE OF YOUR UNBORN CHILDREN! No one is willing to go on staff so in the best interest of all 1 dynamic - Scientologies dynamic CULT - you have to pay all of that money and donate three of your "yet to be born" children. Two will be used for slaves and one will be sacrificed for COB because at that point - he will be drinking blood!:omg:

Pete

David,
What you have written is not wrong, but you don't have the full story.

In my audited NOTs, I "ran out" my car driving circuits and when I went to drive again, all my hard taught automaticities were gone. At my NOTs completion, I had a few spare days so hired a car to look around LA.

Almost died in the first 50meters on Hollywood Blvd! My eyes went to some wannabe starlet strutting on the sidewalk, and the car was instantly into the oncoming draffic lane - before NOTs I could ogle and drive safely, but not now.That explains why the signing of all of the legal papers that you cannot sue Scientology if you lose an ability you once had! What an evil organization. The whole bridge is to put you at constant effect, in constant confusion whilst they take all of your money and time! CULT! CULT! CULT! :omg:

Frightened the shit out of me, and once I'd worked out what was going on, I waited for late night and went out and gave myself some driving lessons to put the circuits back, but it took a few hours of concentrated work - just like teaching a new learner driver.

You are correct in saying NOTs could be accessing cells and other body level intelligences, and if they are "set free" then that part of the body dies or certainly goes weird. Which of course is a huge danger and could be the reson for the high level of cancer deaths in NOTs people.

What you have missed is that our self installed circuits etc are made from what Bill Robertson calls MOCOs - tiny (or big) specs of theta WE have put out to do a job like driving, or walking (another NOTs friend "forgot" how to walk after a session), or talking, or remembering something, and if they are "set free" indiscriminately in a NOTs session then you are throwing away a part of your own theta. Which if done on a long term basis, like 10 years of solo NOTs, will reduce your own theta power.

Remember Ian McKay, Ethel's hsband, now deceased? He had inherented the family farm and sold it off, bit by bit to pay for his audited NOTs. 675 hours later the farm was gone, and so was his strength, life energy and power - and (at least, thank god) finally the regging.

He had been a vital powerhouse, but after the NOTs auditing he was weak & powerless, a broken man by actual observation.

I completed my standard audited NOTs pgm in around 30 hours, but had no farm to sell, so wasn't regged for more.

Yes, NOT and Solo NOTs can be F^%$#@g dangerous, because of the unknowing and indiscriminate "setting free" of anything that reads when focussed on.

In it's original purpose, it's fine, which is correcting clears run on dianetics after clear.

I consider Bill's Excalibur level to be NOTs done correctly - with understanding of what you are meeting, and having the correct handling.

Regards, Allen

OT 8: Addresses the failure of the thetan to maintain his pan determined Viewpoint and remain unaffected by unpleasant experiences. (Pan: All. Pan determinism: Ability to control or be both sides of a game.) OH MY GAWD! Have you met an Oatee Ate? WTF is this?
OT 9: Deals with the Universe of Others. Telepathy. CHEEEEEEERIST almighty! Are you serious?
OT 10: Adresses the subject of Postulates. Wait a minute? Did we not already address this earlier on the BRIDGE? "Addresses the subject"????? Give me a break? The cost - $600K?
OT 11: Deals with Remote Viewing. Hidden cameras in the auditing room so Slappy can listen??
OT 12: Understanding about the Physical Universe, matter, energy, space, and time. Did we not already "understand" this with the Basics and the end of endless lectures from the Hubbtoad?
OT 13: Knowledge. WTF is this?
OT 14: Ability. Ability to con and scheme, bribe, extort, lie and scam even better than evah?
OT 15: Freedom. DEAD? Freedom from the Cult of Scientology. This is where you "voluntarily drop the body" due to not being able to take any more LIES!


I found these on a Freezone site.

Even Hubbard recognized that anti-social personalities did not get gain from auditing.

Most of us have had some personal success being audited, so just for grins, I'll assume that this c/s will bring knowledge and understanding to the pc.

The implied problem with this "C/S" actually involves how does one get an individual without a conscience to have or develop a one? Can it even be done? No, you can't. You don't try. You just simply step back and let him destroy him/herself. Don't give them any opponents and they will destroy each other. I hear from my friend still in the MORGUE that the staff are constantly writing each other up. CHOP CHOP CHOP. The upper management is CONSTANTLY INVALIDATING ANYTHING THE STAFF DOES BY APPLYING unreasonable goals. It is never enough. Just stay out of the way and don't forget your popcorn - enjoy the show! :drama:

A sociopath does not have a conscience. Can he/she get one?

I woud venture that DM lacks one.

Since a sociopath is normally struggling with Ser Fac manifestations (dominate/avoid domination, being right/making wrong, survive/diminish other's survival) the only thing that could possibly improve a sociopath would be Ser Fac technology. (If you're sticking with this Scientology C/S approach.)

But, how do you get a person to recognize they are making others wrong and continuously trying to dominate? How do you get such a person to feel compassion for the rights and dignity of others? How do you bring understanding to a person who is prone to creating opportunities to put others down so that he or she can feel superior?

Knowing people who associate with Marty, I have no doubt he has a conscience (and I realize that anything pro-Marty is anathema to some), and that he's trying in his own way to make the world better. Because he's using Scientology, those who despise the subject despise his actions. Yet, even without Scientology, he tends to be arrogant and sanctimonious--traits not loved anywhere.

Yet, how big a crime is it to be arrogant and sanctimonious about one's self and thoughts? Is it a greater crime to be arrogant and sanctimonious about Scientology than Christianity or Humanism or Science?

(Yes, I understand the arguments about the consequences of a subject. Christianity lead to the Inquisitions, Science to atomic weapons. Human nature takes whatever subject is at hand and finds the means and justification to destroy.)

So, once again, we return to this sense of being better than others, of needing to dominate, of being right and making others wrong.

Of not caring.

Education and study are valid therapies, thus valid instructions in a c/s. After all, a cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal.

What this rambling leads to is: have the individual go forth and study how others make others wrong while making themselves right, how they attempt to dominate others and avoid being dominated, how they further their own survival while diminishing that of others.

If that person discovers compassion, no further c/s will be needed.

Hubbard set the game up so that those at the lower levels of scientology do NOT know about the scam. Most scientologists, including most Sea Org, are true believers, and just like at each level of the Bridge, a scientologist learns more and more as he moves up the heirarchy within the cult. The experience of a public is going to be alot different from that of a Mission staff, Org staff, Sea Org, CMO, INT, etc.

LRH wrote alot of references about games, and reading them now, after I am out, I see that he really did tell us exactly what he was doing, we just didn't see that he was doing it to us.

Remember the saying "The best place to hide something is right in plain sight."? I think that is just what Hubbard did with alot of things.

This is at the end of PDC lecture 39 of 12 Dec 52 titled
"Games Processing":

Thanks for the suggestion. It's actually not the first time that the name Kevin Trudeau has come up.

Like the nic btw. Slappy McSavage and Der Dwarfenfuhrer are two of my faves.

Anyone who REALLY thinks it was all just "Hubbard's hoax"... OBVIOUSLY passed a few too many MUs.. and for sure.. you never KNEW LRH.... I worked on the ship.. He lived the life of a MONK, in a "cabin" about the size of a nice, walk-in closet!.. (IE.. about 6' X 8'). Just HOW "stupid" would he have to be to not just WALK OFF with millions & live in luxury? Yeah.. you really "know alot" about Scn.... & LRH.... LOL! He did more in an average week than you likely did in the past ten yrs... ie: He MADE a positive effect on the lives of others... WHAT's your "claim to fame" to dare insult that effort?

Just found this video for the first time, with Miscavige's version of events. OMG I cannot believe this story!! I know how Scn spins but jeezus.

Just found this video for the first time, with Miscavige's version of events. OMG I cannot believe this story!! I know how Scn spins but jeezus.

I keep waiting to hear that the Ron Biographies are being offered as
a course so everyone can be an expert on him and his past. I swear I
would not be surprised if that was the next course release. Can you
imagine having to clay demo his life ? Barf.

After leaving the cult I went back to trying to achieve the goals that I set myself before I joined. In fact being in the cult has helped me in that area, not because of the knowledge I got out of it but because I made the huge mistake of joining staff with $40,000 worth of debt over my head. There was no way I could live on org pay and pay my bills, so when I blew the only option I had was bankruptcy. Now I'm not proud of having gone bankrupt but what it actually does is set you up to start all over again. I no longer have the debt to worry about, a Bridge to get up, loans to pay off so I can do the one job I have wanted to, other than dancing, my whole life.... veterinary nursing. This is not a high paying job, and would be so much harder to do if I still had my previous debts, but as far as I'm concerned it's the best job in the world and I am the happiest I have been in the longest time. :happydance: :happydance: :happydance:

..


Yeah, the reason that guy spent $500,000 and 30 years to get up to OT VIII and then he blew is because. . .

He went past a word that he didn't fully understand. Ron says that is the only reason a persons gives up or abandons a subject. That's how powerful the tech is, it only takes one word to destroy your eternity! Wow, Ron is amazing!

An open Letter to C of S

Dear Cof S,

I hope you are reading this because I need some honest communication with you. I am probably the most Pro Scientologist on Ex Scientology message boards.

I don’t want to see you beaten down. I want you to flourish to the ideals I thought you had when I got in.

I love the auditing and the training I personally got a lot out of it. I would even say it changed my life for the better. …In a big way

I did learn to study better form your study course. I have some steady persisting wins. I have gotten rid of compulsions and strange ideas; I am more successful in life. For that I thank you

I’ve seen friends get off drugs in Narconon. I think the purif is amazing

THEN WHY AM I OUT?

Because I can’t say what I am about to say to you without getting my head chopped off.

I am currently in contact with several friends who are declared. I know they are not SP’s. You are wrong. But if I said that to you then, I would either get my head chopped off, or I would spend days and weeks in ethics (time that I don’t have) Or I would deal with it in Sec Checks that would cost me money.

So I can’t communicate honestly with you.

I don’t approve of your Disconnection policy. At first I did agree. You can make any rules you like. It is your club. But if I get my brother, mother children and friends to join then if I quit, I lose them all??? That is harsh. That is evil and insidious, because it is a slow process. First you join, then you make friends, then you get a job with other scientologists, then if you disagree or leave or won’t disconnect from a declared SP, you lose your friends, family and job. That is horrible. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You treat the Sea Org like slave labor.
I don’t buy soccer balls make by children in India working for 5 cents an hour and I won’t buy auditing from sea org working for less. I LOVE THAT!! SO TRUE!! I will refuse to receive auditing from SLAVE LABOR CAMPS!!:thumbsup:

You treat children horribly and illegally:
You can get kids to believe anything, if Christianity can make them believe in a giant invisible man in the sky then…. enough said
They should reach the age of reason before committing to one billion years.

I have been all over the Internet reading about these atrocities AND THEY CAN’T ALL BE WRONG. Scientologists are very good with TIME FORM PLACE AND EVENT.

Even if only 10% ore true you need a major overhaul.

I have read many stories of David Miscavage regularly intimidating and beating people! What the F…? There are just too many stories not to believe at least some of them. This should never happen, not once.

I have seen him at events and he is scary. “YOU WILL BUY THESE BOOKS! “ I think that was the quote.

THOSE ARE MY GRIPES. I have a few more like the staff seeing how much money I have in my account so I can buy books for a politician who would never even read them. But that is smalltime. I know how to say NO.

Also what is up with “donations” for buildings that is so anti LRH. Enough said

I love the auditing and would love to continue, but I can’t even talk to you, I can’t sit down reasonably with you and talk like adults. So I am out. I am not worried about my immortal soul I believe I will be just fine.

I post this on message boards in my assumed hidden name in hopes that you do read this. YOU KNOW THERE IS TRUTH HERE. THE THETAN KNOWS!

All you have to do is
• Let people go who want to go
• Let them freely talk with their friends and family
• You can’t “declare” an SP. He either is or is not. You can put high heals on a poodle but that doesn’t make him a hooker.
• Let people out of the Sea Org easily
• Pay the ones who stay a decent wage. The funny thing is “I mean you” You will be old one day. The sea org may or may not take care of you. You know I am right.

I am your friend, your friend who doesn’t want you dead. I am your friend who wants an intervention. I want you to be fixed, and it is really possible.

I am like a peasant trying to get the king to see the errors in his ways…unlikely and possibly deadly. But the peasants can’t have an intervention on the king. But eventually it becomes a revolt.

I am a reasonable, easy going person, I am not angry, I am sad. You had a great thing and now you are ruining it.

There are many people on this message board who hate you. They will never be recovered. But if there is one person like me, then you know there are many more ready to blow.

I haven’t told my scientology friends that I am out, but trust me we do talk about prices, the Sec Checks, the better treatment of celebrities, The books being forced down our throats.

How much does it cost you to lose me? I k now you like to reverse the flow and tell me how I will lose my immortal soul, but it runs both ways.

If you just got back to servicing people in a way that made them satisfied, they would come back, they would refer friends.

“You can’t have one foot in and one foot out of Scientology” is wrong.
Being unreasonable is WRONG.

A building that will not yield to the wind will break.

Other things work. They work to different degrees for different things. There are many positive mental practices, some better than others. Even if (for arguments sake) Scientology is the best there are other things that can be helpful.

It is not black and white. If it is not Scientology it isn’t automatically electro shock or drugs. There is a grey area.


If you and I could talk honestly, if I could talk to my declared friends, if the Sea Org wasn’t treated like slaves I’d be back.

If when I came back I wouldn’t have ethics problems and Sec Checks, I would do so.

Maybe we will meet again after the reign of DM.

Private message me if you like. Lets talk. I would love some good honest non-judgmental non-punishable communication.

When you can’t have honest communication, you have nothing.

She was an Italian woman living in the Miami area. Died in uh... about '91 or so. She had done OT8 in 1989, came home, had some damage to her home during hurricane Andrew, (what year was that?) then was diagnosed with lung cancer and died. Interestingly her husband, Bob Fine also died of cancer several years later. He did OT8 the same time as she did. :yes:

Translation of a French article posted on May 2, 2012 on the website of Le Monde:
Manifestation de scientologues contre "l'endoctrinement des magistrats"

Brief video of the protest: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqjg36

:lol:

Cherished sent me an e-mail with a link to a post the Mike Rinder put up about Wendy and her smoke and mirrors Freedom Medal scam.

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/201...comment-165585



Wendy is a study in self deception and self glorification.

Here is her Facebook page regarding curing cancer with the miraculous tech of Scientology;


Wendy, please tell me why so many Flag public died of cancer when it is so easily cured with Scientology?

This thread is almost like a private message to a certain OSA/DSA
terminal who knows exactly who Stat is now.
But it's a little more then that too.


Hi, T. Hi T. Do you really believe that the Church of Scientology is HELPING others go free? How much fun did you have setting this guy "free"? What kind of CHURCH is this? How do you justify your breathing life into this evil group? REALLY??

The last two days of my life, were perhaps most challenging days ever.
Suppressed/open grief, extreme anxiety for both my wife and I. She is still deep in, as you well know.
My son still doesn't know. He is just a kid still, even though he is "on staff".

I am not sure if you can even imagine the amount of turmoil.
You probably can, if you try.

Mostly, because my family can really fall apart, as a result of your "righteous" actions.
The actions that you believe protect your religion.

All because, I shared my upsets here and the valid outpoints. Incognito.

Yet, you seem to be instrumental in making my avatar so very public.
I guess, it's the right time.

Although I wasn't a perfect husband in 15 years of marriage,
I do love my wife and my son more then anything and anyone and they feel the same way.

There is NOTHING that can separate us.
The best you can do to us is a slight Dev-T.

I couldn't eat anything in the last 48 hours after that metered interview,
where I was shown so many pages of my posts on ESMB printed by you.
(Pages so very properly aligned to show the depth of my wrongness.)
Because of the potential loss of my family members, who are still in.

Is that the game you want to play?

I understand, I put some rough pics on Scn there at one point.
Well, I deleted them now, to respect yours and others feelings.

I am ready to be declared an SP.
Not really... Family comes first...

You will have to live with that too.

I was your auditor and friend once.

Remember?

My family is my family.
We are one.

Take care of yours.

I am not against Scientology, as a belief system.
I am against the sinister practices and abuse.

Do what you have to.
Somehow, I still believe in you.

Peace.

A.

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Don't forget "bigger fees" because it is the MECCA of STANDARD FRAUD! 100% standard extortion! 100% standard bribery! 100% standard human trafficking and magicking!!:unsure:


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ANSWER: The tech at all orgs is 100% Standard. However, the tech at Flag is (by the most recent assays) 139.4% Standard. Bigger Cogs! Bigger F/N's! Bigger Thetans!

I did all the three L Rundowns with Linda Sydejko at Flag in 1985. It's been awhile, but I did get something out of them. You can't go to basic and blowdown/F/N on that many whole track overts and not get some kind of gain out of it. I had major perception changes mid- L-10. I saw( and I'm just telling you what happened) the skeleton inside my auditors body, I saw people walking by in the hall outside, through walls, and after session I saw spectrums of light outside you cannot see with the body eyes. Please, please don't waste finger motion on your keyboard telling me I imagined anything! I know the difference between perception and imagination. Now, was it worth $200,000? Depends on how you look at it, and whether or not you have the cash. At that time, I had the cash, so why the hell not? Right now, I'd say PASS. If you want to know what it is so bad, go to OT 8 first, then do the L's after the preOT case is finished. It will cost you less that way. Not that any of you are going to Flag to do L's anytime soon. But maybe Pierre will fix you up. I'd still say finish 7 first. That is the only Registrar advice I can give anyone.

I have no reason to doubt any of the above.

I expect its mostly about L's as delivered in CO$.

For myself I just lucked into getting L-11 and wasn't originally looking for it. Nor did I or have any any desire for a miracle cure or any need for such.

The L's apart from anything else it addresses deals with evil intentions. I am going to have to take a look at the "L" completions that I personally know. I would have to say they are completely FUCKED UP! Sorry, and "evil intentions"...well let's all take a good, hard look at Mr. David Miscavaige, COB, CHURCH of SCIENTOLOGY! Now that man still has his evil intentions fully intact and is using them every waking moment of his pathetic life!:eyeroll::ohmy::unsure:
The first tech to do so. Later came Expanded dianetics and then FPRD.

One might note that if an evil intention is not dealt with to full resolution
it can repercus. Man is basically good. If an evil intention is not run to a good resolution the client may consider he is bad, evil, whatever. Or worse.
This is the prime reverse tech of CO$. Makes the victim controllable, regable and so on.

This is not just used for the Ls, it has been a constant since 1968 when I joined. In fact it was my "ruin" at one point.

ie "You are such an aware being with all tbehis power, the only reason you are failing is because you need training." Makes one feel small, stupid and hungry for a solution. "That is Scientology..."you are such a big being (interpreted: "You have money, we are going to get it from you...all of it. We will tell you what you want to hear until we get all of it!" NEW LIFE RUNDOWN: Broke, Betrayed, Bamboozled! You will have a new life cuz you will have destroyed the one you currently had and pretty much liked but wanted to make some improvements - money and relationships! Any of you out there that have not done the NEW LIFE RUNDOWN...keep your life and RUN like HELL out the door of SATAN's workshop! Don't believe us - just look at the PRODUCTS - the OATEE's and CLEARS and L completions! YIKES!!:omg:

I had some of the Hubbard pilot processes from the Ls and they crushed me into a teeny ball, no wonder she doesn't feel like she is 'winning'.

Exactly.

As of Monday they've had their one and only Free Pass.DAMAGE DONE!:happydance::happydance:

Should she go public again, she is legal toast.

Well, fuck.

Really hoped she'd take this thing all the way. :(

Email:

Why did hubbard have several strokes before dying, instead of just going exterior, leaving his body??

I've been hearing that for the last thirty five years, since the FBI raids in '77, since Hubbard's death in '86, and this multinational money-sucking mind-control cult is still there, with its overseas bank accounts, and it glitzy promo. Do you have a date I could mark on my calendar when it's going to go down?

And, ya know, if you say it's all bullshit, then the Cof$ only needs to demonstrate one thing that's not bullshit to disprove your assertion.

It's an old gimmick, but you'd be surprised at how effective it can be, especially in the short term.

That's why, in this thread, the non-B.S. component is the topic. That's what is most often used to fool people. :)

"You're having troubles because you haven't had your life repair yet"

"You're having troubles because you're in the Non Interference Zone"

"You're having troubles because you aren't really clear/really went clear/are a past life clear"

"You're having troubles because you need (fill in blank..Running Program? Key to Life? Happiness Rundown? Auditor Training? The Ls?) NEW Rundown that cures (fill in person's problem here) and/or course that teaches you to handle (fill in person's dilemma here)"

Wow, I don't think he's too far off. Although Scientology hasn't yet crossed the outright murder line yet Oh yes they have! Every death - Lisa McPherson - MURDER! Every suicide - I can mention names but will refrain for now - MURDER! This Cult has blood dripping from it's greedy little hands! :grouch:. Close but not yet.
It's all about internal pressure, just like the Nazi's. You didn't dare go against them. Pretty scary isn't it.:unsure:

This is an account of a sad story - not so good on anyone's part.

It was the early eighties and I was C/Sing in the org. We had the daughter of one of our regular students/pcs, getting auditing in the HGC. She was maybe about 12 at the time.

It came up that her step father (who was one of our Class 4 interns) was molesting her, and had been for some time. It was a tough one! Priest penitent privilege was a bummer in such circumstances, and I was floundering as to what to do.

However, the daughter told what had came up in session that day, to her mother that night. It "blew up", as the mother confronted the step father about it, and called the authorities. Then there was a "flap" and OSA and Jan Eastgate (who later became ED CCHR Int), were onto it.

Us tech guys didn't find out what had gone down, till the girl didn't "show" for auditing the next day. The Dof P wanted her WDAH's (was a bit of a hound dog for every bloody minute and or hour in the chair), so went looking for her. She came back furious (after an argument), saying that OSA had the girl. She asked me to go and see them in order to get the girl back and "into the chair". There were three staff/crew in the room, as well as the girl and her mother. They were "drilling" the girl on how to speak to DOCS (the state dept. for community services).

To cut a long story short, there was much arguing, disagreement, yelling and screaming etc about what was going on. Other SO crew came in on the scene. Jan and the crew won the "battle". This girl was drilled on how to "cover up" what went down - how to "lie" at the DOCS interview that she was about to have. Everyone "appeared" in agreement, even the mother (God knows what they put her through prior to this). I went "coward" on the whole fiasco, and threw in the towel on handling it.

The mother split from the guy after that, so at least that was something, but there was still the issue of the guy. Of course he was on the runway as an intern completion, and he was being utilised in the HGC as an auditor. He'd gotten away with police charges already, and now it appeared that he was going to get away with it in the org as though "nothing" had happened.

He did end up with a quick trip to ethics, but he continued and completed his internship (as an auditor) under another C/S in another org. I ended up in more ethics trouble than he did, for refusing to C/S for him. Of course my real out-ethics (not ringing DOCS to inform them of the "cover up", and "allowing" the cover up) was not addressed or seen as an issue at all. I often wonder who that guy may have hurt since, or who he may be hurting today.

I don't know how often this kind of cover up has happened. But I do know that all the Execs were just so adament about avoiding any possible out PR for the Church - that any regard for the girl, or future girls that this guy might hurt, was well and truely negated and/or ignored.

I still have contact details for the girl, who grew up and became a very fine young woman. This is maybe something that could be followed up and used (through legal and/or media lines), to expose the church. If anyone in ANZO has the contacts and/or "know-how" to do so, then please pm me.

You know by the tenets of scientology it's up to, and the responsibility of EVERY single being what has and is happenning to and in scientology.

That means that the OSA lurkers that read , print and redistribute all this data are aware of the outpoints in the CofS and ultimately are responsible for the events that are occurring.

Question is, 'what are you doing to remedy it?'

The GSA parties and the Seeeekrit Service partying hard with Columbian hookers is a red herring to distract from the multi trillion dollar corruption that the lamestream media either buries or simply never mentions in the first place.

Regarding the nature of corruption at the highest levels and who is running things here on planet earth, and what the tie-in to the Cof$ is ... check out this link, it is a repost from the Clambake.

Pete

Pete: THANK YOU!!! This needs to be posted every single day! Good job!!!:yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOQzmtU1SjM