Re: New Here and Still Trying to Untangle the Mysteries of My Scientologist Father. H
Welcome!
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custodial Scientology parents can poison the children's minds against a non-involved parent. It gets ugly, and although it might not be your case, I do know of people whose holdout was to just not have the kids involved. It was a compromise that I've seen happen.
Thank you for posting that. Happened to several people I knew.
The difference between a spouse and a sibling, is that in a marriage the finances are generally the common property of the spouses.It's surprising that the Org has tolerated this for so long. When I got in, the Org didn't hassle me to recruit my family, but were vigilant for signs of family criticism of my involvement in Scientology. But then again, I wasn't married. I suspect that they are more aggressive in recruiting spouses than, say, parents or siblings, over whom less leverage can be exerted. I suspect that most orgs would get increasingly pro-active over time in questioning why a person's spouse wasn't getting involved. Eventually, it would be almost certain to lead to a PTS situation. Having said that, I have known Scientologists with non-Scientology spouses or partners.
Good point Enthetan.The difference between a spouse and a sibling, is that in a marriage the finances are generally the common property of the spouses.
From the Org's point of view, the big problem with a non-Scn spouse, is that the non-Scn spouse is unlikely to tolerate a major chunk of family income going to Scientology, and is likely to create trouble about it.
My opinion is that the tactics of isolation then divide and conquer at the beginning (where the prospect becomes a member) is the key strategy of the cult which creates the major part of the damage to one's thinking.I have posted before that I feel the courses and training do much more damage than the processing. They try to change the way you think and your world view. In the lower levels of auditing I still say there is some good but you are playing with the proverbial snake and the old saying "play with snakes and you are going to get bit. " applies.
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I had the advantage of living far from an org and could not go there on a daily basis. When I did though I went intensively. I have likened the auditing to taking things out of your mind and the courses to putting approved Hubbardian philosophy in. Really I had issue with the things removed and wandered in the darkness so to speak until I was convinced to do some training. The problem was I didn't agree with much of what Hubbard had to say and wallowed in cognitive dissonance for a time. Still do to a certain degree.My opinion is that the tactics of isolation then divide and conquer at the beginning (where the prospect becomes a member) is the key strategy of the cult which creates the major part of the damage to one's thinking.
The rest just adds reinforcement to it.
I was in for just under 2 years, did 2 courses and only 1 hour of auditing. I was also on staff.
Staff was also a big part of indoctrination. Caught in the group think and fear of both failure and having the group turn against you and being cast off back into the wilderness for the inevitable sticky ending that comes to those who leave the fold.....
I still shake my head at myself for falling for that line......
At least a public scientologist gets some time off from the group dynamic if they choose to. I realise they are under a different set of pressures as well.
Every now and again, I have to chide myself that the thought I just had was a classic scientology bullshit thought. I've been out since 79!
Re: New Here and Still Trying to Untangle the Mysteries of My Scientologist Father. H
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?39435-Now-Open-Blanky-s-Corner-Pub&p=1140937#post1140937
Not sure, but it may have to do with your post count (36) or join date? IIRC, once you reach certain post counts/periods of time {?} certain areas become accessible. Not sure about the current status of this, but the links work for me.How did you find that? For whatever reason many of the links people post to older posts/sections come up "cannot be found." I'd read her posts when I first came to the board when my husband was being recruited but forgot her SN & didn't know he eventually got out (YAY!!!)!
I assumed this was a rhetorical question so I didn't answer it but just in case you really wanted to know I just looked for all threads started by the user Intentionally Blank and it came up. This was before the switch to the new software.How did you find that? For whatever reason many of the links people post to older posts/sections come up "cannot be found." I'd read her posts when I first came to the board when my husband was being recruited but forgot her SN & didn't know he eventually got out (YAY!!!)!
I assumed this was a rhetorical question so I didn't answer it but just in case you really wanted to know I just looked for all threads started by the user Intentionally Blank and it came up. This was before the switch to the new software.
All of your posts are still available if you go to your own profile page by clicking on your own name and hitting the postings button ... I've pasted it for you below, you can go there anytime you like and add to them to make them current again (this thread is quite old and you effectively 'bumped' it and made it current again by posting on it).Hello, I have been absent from here for a couple of months, but just want to add myself to the list of people here who had a Scientologist Father and a non Scientologist Mother. most people here know my history and my quest for surviving family members. I do not know if the posts and threads about my Father (Peter Greene, founder member, high ranking long term, from around 1950--I was born in '51----until he left in about 82 and died in 89) are still reachable, since i gather new software has changed how everything here works-- but may I simply add my sincere welcome to you-----Chris
Thank you again Trubs; for one who claims to be trouble, you do a great job of troubleshooting!All of your posts are still available if you go to your own profile page by clicking on your own name and hitting the postings button ... I've pasted it for you below, you can go there anytime you like and add to them to make them current again (this thread is quite old and you effectively 'bumped' it and made it current again by posting on it).
The software hasn't changed since you joined us.
CHRISTOPHER'S POSTS.
If you want the details on Peter Greene and family you only need to read "Commodore's Messenger" by Janis Gilham Grady where she sifts through every detail. I bought a used copy off of Amazon for $10.Hello, I have been absent from here for a couple of months, but just want to add myself to the list of people here who had a Scientologist Father and a non Scientologist Mother. most people here know my history and my quest for surviving family members. I do not know if the posts and threads about my Father (Peter Greene, founder member, high ranking long term, from around 1950--I was born in '51----until he left in about 82 and died in 89) are still reachable, since i gather new software has changed how everything here works-- but may I simply add my sincere welcome to you-----Chris