Scientology: How Bad Can it Get?

[Magoo]

I know we've all been through our own ***sheet*** re C of $,
but I have to say, it's amazing to hear what's going on, now.

A lady called me today. She's now out (but they don't know it
She and her Dad got in just a few years ago.

He got in to handle his finances and is now losing his business.
He's put TONS of $$$ on account---and of course there's the panic
of "How do we get it back". Scientology/OSA--I know you're reading this
so WTFU! Stop holding onto people's money that they put "on account".

That money IS like a Savings Account. I speak for MANY People here in
saying: To C of $:
THAT IS THEIR $$$$$. It is NOT yours. It was NOT a "Donation"
as you're now trying to say.

Also, the lady calling me got into Scientology
to handle their marriage and they are now divorced. What a nightmare.

She described how the "Ideal Orgs WILL bring them down" as now
EVERYONE has to "donate" to these STUPID Idea Morgues as she
called um, before you can get *any* services. (Way to go, Davey boy!
No body knows how to kill this group as good as he does)

We know the "Idea Morgues" are basically empty. Scientology: Wake up and give
people who have money on account-----give them back THEIR
money!!!

And to those who are owed your money, don't forget to tack on
Interest they've gotten while using your money.

Love to ALL

Tory/Magoo

 

[GoNuclear]

I know we've all been through our own ***sheet*** re C of $,
but I have to say, it's amazing to hear what's going on, now.

A lady called me today. She's now out (but they don't know it
She and her Dad got in just a few years ago.

He got in to handle his finances and is now losing his business.
He's put TONS of $$$ on account---and of course there's the panic
of "How do we get it back". Scientology/OSA--I know you're reading this
so WTFU! Stop holding onto people's money that they put "on account".

That money IS like a Savings Account. I speak for MANY People here in
saying: To C of $:
THAT IS THEIR $$$$$. It is NOT yours. It was NOT a "Donation"
as you're now trying to say.

Also, the lady calling me got into Scientology
to handle their marriage and they are now divorced. What a nightmare.

She described how the "Ideal Orgs WILL bring them down" as now
EVERYONE has to "donate" to these STUPID Idea Morgues as she
called um, before you can get *any* services. (Way to go, Davey boy!
No body knows how to kill this group as good as he does)

We know the "Idea Morgues" are basically empty. Scientology: Wake up and give
people who have money on account-----give them back THEIR
money!!!

And to those who are owed your money, don't forget to tack on
Interest they've gotten while using your money.

Love to ALL

Tory/Magoo

Forcing people to donate to the Idle Orgs prior to receiving services? It's the smart move on DM's part. There is no liability ... i.e., no promise to deliver services to fulfill and therefore no "this shit doesn't work" after the fact, and, nobody to have to train. It is all straight up dono's. Pretty soon it will be singing hymns to the tech for services and church bingo nights for fund raising. WTF, it might become a more popular sort of church. They can even put in full service bars with free pretzyls and call it a sacrament service room, with the bartenders dressed up in priest outfits complete with clerical collars. And forget the emeters and desks and meter shields ... put waterbeds in the auditing rooms and call them confessional rooms. Of course, the "confessions" will be taken by the "temple virgins" who will be dressed in VERY abreviated nun habbits ... all black and white one piece swim suits with those high cut crotches and fishnet stockings. The beauty of it will be the sanctity of the priest/pennetant privilege, so nobody will be able to discuss what goes on in the waterbed confessional rooms.

And forget the bingo ... if bingo is ok, roulette wheels and craps tables will be better.

All donations, of course, will be voluntary, except that if you don't volunteer, you may wind up having a conversation you really didn't want to have with one of the Guardians of the Tech. These will all be guys big enough to be pro wrestlers or on a football team as offensive linemen.

Pete

 

[Sindy]

What else did they say? More, more!

 

[Magoo]

One lady I spoke with told me she'd been on HQS for 7 MONTHS. For anyone who has never been "in"...that used to be a 2 week course.

I said "7 MONTHS?? NO WAY!"
She: "And 200 hours of PAID auditing"
Again, for those who have never been "in", most of us co-audited the
processes on HQS (Hubbard Qualified Scientologist, once done)

Also, she told me, which I know, but it was interesting to hear from someone who has only been in a few years:
"This organization is worse than the mafia" TRUE!

She also emphasized how much stress their was due to so few public,
that the pressure is REALLY on for those who have stayed.
She plans on announcing she's OUT---but wants her $$$ back first,
also.



To anyone lurking, please use HUBBARD's FINAL PL:
The Way OUT
IS The Neeeeeeeeeearest
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!


Hey! He took it, why not you?

Love to all,
Tory/Magoo

 

[Freeminds]

Unfortunately, the legal system varies from one country to another, and even from state to state in the USA. This means that what works to get one person's repayment might not work for another.

Still...

Could we maybe start a list in which people identify a law firm or media contact that DID secure them a repayment. These would be listed by location. If a law firm obtained one repayment, they ought to be able to do it again.

I really want to see all that money 'on account' flowing back to the former Scientology victims.

 

[AOSHUKR6EW]

7 months for the HQS?!! Obviously nobody to twin with on the course, so the only option is to pay for all the session professionally....

 

[GoNuclear]

One lady I spoke with told me she'd been on HQS for 7 MONTHS. For anyone who has never been "in"...that used to be a 2 week course.

I said "7 MONTHS?? NO WAY!"
She: "And 200 hours of PAID auditing"
Again, for those who have never been "in", most of us co-audited the
processes on HQS (Hubbard Qualified Scientologist, once done)

Also, she told me, which I know, but it was interesting to hear from someone who has only been in a few years:
"This organization is worse than the mafia" TRUE!

She also emphasized how much stress their was due to so few public,
that the pressure is REALLY on for those who have stayed.
She plans on announcing she's OUT---but wants her $$$ back first,
also.



To anyone lurking, please use HUBBARD's FINAL PL:
The Way OUT
IS The Neeeeeeeeeearest
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!


Hey! He took it, why not you?

Love to all,
Tory/Magoo

HQS for 7 months ... that was fast! There were always problems. There was getting snagged for TR's, leaving little time for check sheet items. There was the factor that the TR's were always more fun anyways, especially bullbaiting. Then there were the clay demo's ... sometimes a clay demo that you were half the way thru would disappear because someone else needed the clay. Of you would get flunked on a clay demo and have to start again. Or you would get snagged by a redge. Or you would be put on a cram because your audting wasn't 100% perfect. Or this. Or that. Or the next thing. Or you would have to wait to receive the objective auditing because nobody was available on that point of HQS to deliver it to you. Towards the end, there was that tone scale drill with the horseshit survey taking. That was phugged. People would blow on that one. Here in St. Louis, some years back I saw the HQS students doing their horseshitistic "surveys" followed around by an OSA goon. I saw instantly what they were doing ... I had them totally spotted. I chimed in "HQS course, huh? Tone scale drill? BETTER KEEP YOUR TR'S IN!" They all looked at me in horror ... a wog who KNEW. The OSA goon gave me one heck of a dirty look. This was BEFORE the anon pickets started in 2008.

Bottom line ... there are plenty of ways to get bogged down on HQS. I only saw one guy get thru it in a reasonable amount of time. He was public, yes, but he was also shtupping the mission ED who was, at the time, married to someone else. Eventually she left the shlub she was married to and married the guy she was shtupping, but, WTF, she was the ED and supposed to be setting an example. Anyways, she personally got this hoople thru his HQS in one month, and he is the only guy I know of who was able to do that.

Pete

 

[uniquemand]

I did HQS in a weekend. Granted, I'd already read all the books, policies and such. I just signed next to everything that wasn't a drill or practical or demo, and cranked through it. The most fun part, for me, was being bullbaited by a young girl about masturbation, and then auditing someone else on pleasure moments.

Tits.

 

[GoNuclear]

I did HQS in a weekend. Granted, I'd already read all the books, policies and such. I just signed next to everything that wasn't a drill or practical or demo, and cranked through it. The most fun part, for me, was being bullbaited by a young girl about masturbation, and then auditing someone else on pleasure moments.

Tits.

Yeah, the b'baiting was fun. Amazing what buttons folks have. One fellow I met had zero charge on any sexual topic but it took hours to flatten his button on nose picking. I had lots of rediculous buttons to flatten on all sorts of topics.

Pete

 

[phénix]

Once the reg ran my credit card without my express consent....

They were working me out so that I use my card to pay my brother some service, and I was hesitating...the reg just ran it, and I told her "it wasn't OK" and her senior at least agreed....

And you know what? I was in the SO then

 

[uniquemand]

Yeah, the b'baiting was fun. Amazing what buttons folks have. One fellow I met had zero charge on any sexual topic but it took hours to flatten his button on nose picking. I had lots of rediculous buttons to flatten on all sorts of topics.

Pete

I didn't really have a button on it, so much as I was suprised by a ten year old girl asking me if I liked to snap my carrot.

 

[Magoo]

In my day (70's) I got through HQS in a week or so. It was a fast run back then. (I did my Grades in one day, as an example---now they take forever. They labeled those "Quicky Grades" ...but in truth, I didn't need 100 versions of "Who can you NOT communicate with" or "Who cannot communicate with you". Well, maybe I did---but I was happy with them as they were.

My fav Bullbaiting Story was a businessman. Yvonne (started Celebrity Center) came and got me. She told me "No one can get this guy to crack---will you try?" I said sure, and started in on the usual buttons (sex, $$$, body parts, etc) Nothing cracked him up--he was sure he had "no buttons".

So I sat back and just looked at *him*.

Then I said "FROGS!"

He burst out laughing.
Me: Flunk you laughed! Start"

Me: Frogs!
He: Burst out laughing.
Me: "Flunk you laughed. Start"

Finally he asked for a time out.
"How did you know?"

I asked: "Know what?"
He: I used to walk around Central Park in NY with a frog puppet
and I'd talk with kids".

Me: Ok, smile...let's get back to the drill. Re-Start:
Frogs!

It went on for quite awhile and unfortunately that got him "in".

Sad, and true---but quite funny in the day.

Love to ALL

Tory/Magoo

 

[Claire Swazey]

In my day (70's) I got through HQS in a week or so. It was a fast run back then. (I did my Grades in one day, as an example---now they take forever. They labeled those "Quicky Grades" ...but in truth, I didn't need 100 versions of "Who can you NOT communicate with" or "Who cannot communicate with you". Well, maybe I did---but I was happy with them as they were.

My fav Bullbaiting Story was a businessman. Yvonne (started Celebrity Center) came and got me. She told me "No one can get this guy to crack---will you try?" I said sure, and started in on the usual buttons (sex, $$$, body parts, etc) Nothing cracked him up--he was sure he had "no buttons".

So I sat back and just looked at *him*.

Then I said "FROGS!"

He burst out laughing.
Me: Flunk you laughed! Start"

Me: Frogs!
He: Burst out laughing.
Me: "Flunk you laughed. Start"

Finally he asked for a time out.
"How did you know?"

I asked: "Know what?"
He: I used to walk around Central Park in NY with a frog puppet
and I'd talk with kids".

Me: Ok, smile...let's get back to the drill. Re-Start:
Frogs!

It went on for quite awhile and unfortunately that got him "in".

Sad, and true---but quite funny in the day.

Love to ALL

Tory/Magoo

But how did you get through all the objectives and Op Pro by Dup? That was on the HQS then, I believe.

The theory and drills can be done expeditiously but AFAIK, it used to have all that coauditing on there.

 

[Magoo]

But how did you get through all the objectives and Op Pro by Dup? That was on the HQS then, I believe.

The theory and drills can be done expeditiously but AFAIK, it used to have all that coauditing on there.

The example above was on HAS---the Hubbard
Associate Scientologist, I think it stood for (correct me if I'm wrong--but who
really cares?) It was known as the "Comm Course" or the Communications Course...the first course.

How did I get through HQS?I did the course, and did the co-audit.
As I said, back then...things moved along. Remember, Hubbard was
Still "Researching" back then, so there was a bigger push to get people
UP to the next level.

Now they *know* the top levels, for the most part, do not work....
so they're smarter to drag out the lower levels. Big diff.

To all who missed this course, just be GLAD you did.
There are some usages for it in "real life"...although most of it was
One of my favs was this:

One of the drills is "Op Pro by Dup", as Claire mentioned.
It's basically "Put your hands against mine, follow them
and contribute to their motion". (You're supposed to be able to get
another to "duplicate" you with this, or as I saw it ..get what you're saying or
doing).

I was out trying to get a job...and the owner of whatever
business was a jack ass, running all around, me following him,
he screaming orders to people. I finally realized he wasn't giving
me the time of day, so I said, "Sit down please".

He did.
I said: "Put your hands against mine, follow them
and contribute to their motion".

I made one square---his hands following.
He seemed to Pop, was shocked and said:
"What was THAT?"

I said, "It's a Scientology Process. Do I have the job or not?"

He: "You've got the job!"

I think I was passed on HQS either that night, or shortly after.

And that's how I got through it. TrueFax.

Tory/Magoo

TLC

 

[Mystic]

Ah Davey M. me boy, job well done. Kill, kill, kill Scientology.

 

[Magoo]

Just in case you missed my latest thread, Read this:
Scientologists: DON'T SIGN *A* THING!

Good Gawd!
EMERGENCY ALERT TO ALL
MEMBERS OF THE "CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY"

And this is NOT a joke.
I just spoke with ANOTHER person leaving C of $.
We talked for some time, and she felt much better,
just knowing there are other avenues than C of $, and so
far--a nice person to speak with her. She lurks here, so hopefully
will soon speak out, herself.

Meantime, she told me this and I think it's worth having a separate
thread for it.

Now in C of $----You are required, BEFORE SESSION
to sign something that says (Paraphrase):

"In my history in Scientology
I have been totally satisfied with EVERY service
and am totally happy with EVERY thing I have received"

Some people may not get the ramifications of this,
but basically IF YOU SIGN THAT_____they can then say
you have no reason to ask for ANY money back, even if
it's "on Account".

Whatever it is for.......you know it boils down to legal.

DON'T SIGN IT.

If you can't get auditing without signing that-----
DO WHAT MY NEW FRIEND DID_____She left!

Congratulations for you having the courage to do so!
To lurkers...........come on out!! The water is just fine

Love to all

Tory/Magoo
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44

 

[GoNuclear]

The example above was on HAS---the Hubbard
Associate Scientologist, I think it stood for (correct me if I'm wrong--but who
really cares?) It was known as the "Comm Course" or the Communications Course...the first course.

How did I get through HQS?I did the course, and did the co-audit.
As I said, back then...things moved along. Remember, Hubbard was
Still "Researching" back then, so there was a bigger push to get people
UP to the next level.

Now they *know* the top levels, for the most part, do not work....
so they're smarter to drag out the lower levels. Big diff.

To all who missed this course, just be GLAD you did.
There are some usages for it in "real life"...although most of it was
One of my favs was this:

One of the drills is "Op Pro by Dup", as Claire mentioned.
It's basically "Put your hands against mine, follow them
and contribute to their motion". (You're supposed to be able to get
another to "duplicate" you with this, or as I saw it ..get what you're saying or
doing).

I was out trying to get a job...and the owner of whatever
business was a jack ass, running all around, me following him,
he screaming orders to people. I finally realized he wasn't giving
me the time of day, so I said, "Sit down please".

He did.
I said: "Put your hands against mine, follow them
and contribute to their motion".

I made one square---his hands following.
He seemed to Pop, was shocked and said:
"What was THAT?"

I said, "It's a Scientology Process. Do I have the job or not?"

He: "You've got the job!"

I think I was passed on HQS either that night, or shortly after.

And that's how I got through it. TrueFax.

Tory/Magoo

TLC

That was some other objective. OpProByDup is also known as book and bottle torture.

Pete

 

[Magoo]

That was some other objective. OpProByDup is also known as book and bottle torture.

Pete

Oh yeah...well which was the one I mentioned?
Anyone know?

How wonderful to *not* remember them!

Thanks

Tory/Magoo

 

[GoNuclear]

Oh yeah...well which was the one I mentioned?
Anyone know?

How wonderful to *not* remember them!

Thanks

Tory/Magoo

I think the name of that objective was "Hey idiot ... you wasted your money on THIS SHIT????????????????????????? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!! "

Pete

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted by Magoo
One of the drills is "Op Pro by Dup", as Claire mentioned.
It's basically "Put your hands against mine, follow them
and contribute to their motion". (You're supposed to be able to get
another to "duplicate" you with this, or as I saw it ..get what you're saying or
doing).

Oh yeah...well which was the one I mentioned? Anyone know?

CCH-1

"Put your bank account against mine, follow it and 'contribute' to the balance." (LRH)