Hmm... That's way of putting it.. Rather irashible..
Originally Posted by Blue Spirit
But it does present an opportunity for me to reassert what I observed, or concluded, about Scientology.
I was freshly blown at the time DM made his palace coup. It came in stages, blow by blow, and it began years before Hubbard died (Maybe with his cooperation? Miscavige sat on his only comm-line to the church!).. I was still pretending to be a scilon, to keep the family peace... I attended some sort of event, where the destruction of all the scientology missions was 'explained'.. Enthusiastic Scilons were somehow managing to clap enthusiastically for the speakers while enthusiastically keeping a stiff smile plastered to their faces.. You'd expect exited conversation after these lectures about such a 'theta' and terminating handling of the church's problems.. Nope.. Everybody was markedly silent.
There was a great exodus from Scientology resulting from that. The Mission Holders conference.. 35.000 members slipped off into the night... I read that on the internet years later.. I didn't know shit about details, let alone the big view back then. Noone in the scientology community did. It wasn't talked about..
Later, when Hubbard had died, I did recognize that an upstart by the name of David Miscavige apparently grabbed power. A Palace Coup.. I kept that observation to myself, for the family peace.
So, I didn't do anything to throw Miscavige over. I also think the abuse and totalitarianism was every bit as bad in Scientology before he came along. Hubbard policy ensures that.. It's designed and planned that way.
It's the whole cult that needs to be thrown over!
What I concluded was this: Scientologists fall obliviously into the trap of totalitarianism and fascism! - They fall into that trap willingly and with great glee! - They sit in large rooms by the thousands and listen to Miscavige on the stage. Framed by impressive pillars and large symbols of power. In his commanding voice he spew obvious lies about unprecedented expansion and fascist rethoric against the evil psychs.. And anyone from WOG society.. As did Hubbard!
They really enjoy being 'Homo Novis'.. They rise from their chairs an holler hoorays at a picture of Hubbard! The guards at the exit doors too.. They're ther to ensure that noone leaves. To repoet about 'bad indicators' and ensure that everody buy some books or services.. Or donate to the SuperPower Building.
This is all very disappointing to me.. Or was.. I expected scientologists to be near perfect citizens, who could build a society without war and insanity. I expected scientologists to be capable of getting rid of idiots in executive offices! Or even make them sane and rational with the 'tech'.
They can't! - They fall into the trap that every warlord in known history has used to infuse people with hate and gain their unthinking loyalty to make war. And they fall harder into that trap than any before..
What a fiasco!
To make war... Hubbard explains that Scientology is at war repeatedly. Hubbard demonizes and degrades every human activity.. Science is merely track recall. Everything has been done before down the time track. Science is useless anyway, as it's just fooling around with MEST. Psychiatry, psychology and medicine is is likewise a waste of time. Almost all illness can be cured 'spiritually' with scientology.. Any study of the human mind, exept Scientology, is outright evil. Hubbard pontificates: Scientology has the only justice system in this sector of the universe that actually works! - WOG society's justice system(s) are summarily dismissed as being insane and scientologists are adviced to not use them. Although 'scripture' is carefully worded so as to not make the blatant contempt too obvious.
Scientology's ethics condition? - They declare themselves in enemy condition to humankind! They are being 1.1 (corvertly hostile) about it in public. But it's no secret inside the organization.
They are being battered badly these days. They are being decimated. They are not capable to respond intelligently anymore.
The ethics condition must have degraded into confusion.
Schwimmie, thanks for the link to msnholders conference, appauling, disgusting evil and worse than the Battle of Brittain.
I think I am becoming more and more effected by the church personally, but more and more pissed off by the goings on, and disgusted too with members of family and friends that just are too scared to cognite on the evil they are facing.
Leave that sinking ship fast, yes, even you trolls. Get out of there!:yes:
I think you have just nailed the WHY for so much foot-bulleting and downward shitstorming - incompetent boobs like Tommy Davis with evil purposes and SP tendencies are being sent in to handle it!
Originally Posted by La La Lou Lou
DM - where are you?
Tommy Davis can't scream like you can, and you know it!
These reporters need REAL ETHICS PRESENCE RIGHT INTO THEIR MOTHERFUCKING FACES!
Only then will they ever get it.
And if they don't get, if their eyes wander, or if they hesitate at all in answering you - SMASH THEIR MOTHERFUCKING FACES IN! Throw them to the ground and RING THEIR MOTHERFUCKING SP NECKS!!
If they cower from you, or whimper, or call their little lawyers - DO IT AGAIN!! EVEN HARDER!!!
Where are you, sir?
SCIENTOLOGY NEEDS YOU LIKE NEVER BEFORE!!
You are the ONLY ONE who can save it now!
Yes Davey do it, We'll all be there, were right on your side, honest, bypass the mofo!
Grind the marcabean press into the ground, you know it makes sense.
Only you really are there to help, only you really understand how important this is, dont let them get away with this, show us what youre really made of!:clap:
The confessional vs pc folder analogy is very good. People understand what a confessional is auditing? Not so much.
I agree it was the second most troubling tommy davis blunder.
The first is his mention of annihilating and discrediting these allegations. DM said it in his letter too.
It's just such an odd turn of phrase. Perhaps at some point in the past 50 years the concept was mainstream but it's just out of touch.
I don't know who of you had time enough to plough yourself through the green volumes, beeing on staff or afterwards?
Well I didn't read them interely. But when I helped out as coursesupervisor for staff -- yes, you can laugh about this. I do it, too. I was not a trained staff and I didn't ever work as course Sup before. But now they were in enormous difficulties. They had to join RPF in droves and there was nobody to be in room. Staff had to study meanwhile like mad. So they didn't have time to search after the materials. I was there, no more working as teacher but not ready to sign staff and they needed help, urgently. They prescribed to staff statusI and installed me into the course room. I was then the "go-fetch-give me-girl" for the studying staff. Because I didn't know the volumes very well, sometimes I needed lots of time for this job. Of course I read one and other policies, designed only for staff, often even for higher staff. What I found there let my hairs stand straight up.
When I asked our EthicOfficer, what this should be, the answer was again and again "oh, this can't be LRH, you know, there was an undetected SP on lines who could perfectly imitate the handwriting of LRH.
In one of this writings I found, that it is quite OK to use O/W out of folders, when you have to combat an enemy of Scientology. And that you have to do anything until this enemy will land in prison (or worse).
Hey I just had an OT phenomenon occur.:coolwink: I remembered a policy on Sec Checks from the old OEC volumes and just opened up vol 1 and Holy Hubby there it was on page 486.
Check this out:
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 26 AUGUST 1968
SECURITY CHECKS ABOLISHED
The practice of security checking from security check lists like the "Joburg" has been abolished.
There are several reasons for this:
1. We have no interest in the secrets and crimes of people and no use for them.
2. Security checking is often done without regard to the point where the person feels better and so became overrun.
3. Security checking is often done in disregard of the state of a person's case.
4. Low level cases do not react on actual crimes and so the "security" furnished is often a false security.
5. There is public criticism of security checking as a practice.
6. The existence of lists of crimes in folders often makes it necessary to destroy the folder which may contain other technical data which is constructive and valuable.
7.If a person is a criminal or has overt acts which affect his case, and speaks of them to an auditor of his own volition, the auditor is bound by the Auditor's Code not to publish, use or reveal them.
Nothing in this policy letter alters standard grade processing or rudiments.
L. RON HUBBARD
Has anyone else ever seen this PL?
wow, Telepathetic, very interesting!
Originally Posted by Telepathetic
But I now I really wonder what in hell happened meanwhile? I mean between 1968 and 1986 :confused2:
Please go on with your investigations!
I am eager to read news. :yes:
I think I recall that in a foggy way... At the time I was staff at the Guardian's Office, so must have been on some checksheet... I was aware that sec-checking was done with abandon, so the PL didn't make a lot of sense.. Hmm.. Actually I think it was with the 'R-factor' that it was a PR piece.. Maybe in connection with some courtcase to 'document' that the practice had ceased?
Originally Posted by Telepathetic
Anyway, I don't recall that in any detail.
I do recall clearly when I studied the 'Cancellation of Fair Game'.. That came with a verbal advice from my senior that the PL was changed for PR reasons.
Yes . . . .
Yes. It was actually referred to by both me and Wally Burgess (LRH Host FSO) along with another HCOP (That I'm too lazy to look up at the moment) when I was being ordered to Sec Checks as part of my Comm Evs!! at FSO circa 1982-3.
Originally Posted by Telepathetic
I highlight the "as part of my Comm Evs" because there is reference in Policy that states that such is actually "ineffective" because of the various listed reasons, among which is the fact of the duress and oft out-ruds condition interested parties are in. In other words, to Sec Check a person while they are being Comm Eved, or as part of the Comm Ev "to get evidence" is not OK:no:
Huh, how often have we seen that violated! Hell, I was actually threatened with the situation that "to refuse Sec Checking (at my expense!!)" would cause me to be automatically found guilty/declared suppressive . . . . how's that for duress!
Originally Posted by Telepathetic
Whoever read the 1972 South African report of the Commission of Enquiry into Scientology. :)
Interesting that some would say that things got *really bad* after DM took over:omg: I'd say you might disagree:yes:
Originally Posted by RogerB
Justice in Scientology...what a laugh:dieslaughing:
Originally Posted by SchwimmelPuckel
I think your recollection might be correct. See Paul's post.
Maybe I'll dive into those old OCE volumes and see what else I can dig up...but, don't hold your breath:coolwink: :D
Originally Posted by ladybeetle