My cliff notes of this post : Hubbard was insane.
Originally Posted by Student of Trinity
Originally Posted by Synthia
Thank you Synthia.
God bless you and all who sail in you.
I personally think that a lot of the things he thought about mental mechanisms and about spirituality were pretty good. When he got into the Xenu stuff, though, he kinda lost me. I actually do believe in whole track and all that. But that and a few bucks will get you a latte. It's just my opinion.
It does seem evident to me that all the tragedies and abuses in the cult, under Hubbard, under DM, stem from the idea that the group is more important than the individual maybe- but it's worse than that. If it was JUST the group being more important than the individuals (which would be horrid anyway. I mean, who was the group originally created for? PEOPLE!) you wouldn't get DM running around with his custom suits, expensive condo, millions of dollars, and all the things people have said that he amassed- it would just not be allowed. But it is allowed. He runs around like a king. And he's abusive. He doesn't just implement policies that are abusive, he actually physically brutalizes people. That's fucking insane.
So it becomes evident to me that there is a fundamental lack of altruism that is missing from the whole thing. Some of the taped lectures are rather lovely and mention a bit of altruism here and there, but there never was any altruism there.
Reading Dianetics in Limbo -which depicted events in 1951 and 1952- was an eye opener for me. Hubbard was irresponsible and selfish even then. So I really don't think the underlying concept of altruism was there even at the inception.
I think that if you are going to have a group or an ology that is supposed to save the world, or even just help people feel better (both of which Scn has claimed) then it has to be altruistic. Any fees or funds collected should be minimal. Just enough to run things. The fact that there were millions of dollars floating around in both Hubbard's and DM's regimes is telling indeed.
Originally Posted by Voltaire's Child
If Hubbard REALLY CARED about mankind and if he REALLY had the answers to all of the world's problems, he would have made those answers freely available to everyone.
It would be seen by all for what it is and the people would have kicked his door down to give him money; he wouldn't have to demand anything - it would lovingly be bestowed upon him.
Instead he put himself and his organisation before anything or anyone and as you point out, there was no altruism and no winners.
Originally Posted by LongTimeGone
At this point in time, the CofS has the option of going "Open Source" (like some software) and become totally a service organisation.
However, going "Open Source" implies willingness for people to go on offshoots that have, supposed, improvements. The CofS would then have to continually willingly compete by continually proving that their services (and "tech") are the best available (in both cost and benefits).
This, all by itself, would quickly eliminate the RPF, lower ethics conditions, excessive (cave-in) word clearing, overly simplistic stats, and probably much more.