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    Re: what condition is the church in?

    re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic...
  2. Re: Ideal Church of Scientology of the Valley will be a "Mecca Org" with a "large cha

    Steps to actually being effective as an humanitarian:

    1) remove yourself from the influences and dogma and attitudes and fixed data of a Scientologist
    2) Go find someone and something to care...
  3. Re: Mark 'Marty' Rathbun: The Scientology Sandbox

    I'm pretty sure Hubbard created it initially as a con, and then around 1953 or 54 he began to believe. He sold himself on his own omnipotence. And then around 1969 or 70, he came to his senses and...
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    Re: This Just In...LA Org Has Gone Sea Org!!

    I would bet it's because having a failing Class V org at the complex is just too embarrassing. Bet Lil'Dave blew his top at the out-PR caused by staff acting homeless and broke, and decided fuck...
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    Re: Scientology stats are UP! :)

    Scientology's decline is exactly proportional to the amount of information available about it. The shore stories don't work when anyone can look up a broader swath of information and refute much of...
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    Re: What did you do??

    I decided that I was still a spirit, still deathless, still learning and willing to experience the lessons life might hold. I decided to label myself Buddhist, and then on finding out more and more...
  7. Re: Is Scientology Technology fear motivated?

    Yep. On the one hand they decry "fear mongering" and label people who do that "Merchants of Death". And on the other every single thing they demand money for is the last chance for all of mankind...
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    Re: Am I a Clear ?

    Hubbard was blatant about the whole thing. He said you get what you put your attention on (PDC Lectures, 1952), and then proceeded to fix people's attention on "case" and "the reactive mind" and...
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    Re: Lost my love

    Unfortunately there is no real neutral. Eventually you would have had to participate in Scientology, she would have been brought into ethics and told to stop letting you be yourself (it would not be...
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    Re: WHY SCIENTOLOGY IS FORCED TO LIE

    I remember that certainty. And it took me several years (many years) to realize how thoroughly I had to lie to myself to make that certainty truth. Underneath it there is always this resonating...
  11. Re: MS2: People attack Scientology because they "couldn’t apply the tech of Scientolo

    Part of conning a mark is blaming him for failing to understand.
    It's BS.
    I understood very very well, and I had tons of "wins".

    What finally got me to look at why the hell I was bothering...
  12. Re: Scientology spent $42 million for Global Media Center, now needs money to use it

    Exactly. Hasn't gotten to where he/she can admit they were lied to, and even more so, admit that they lied to themselves to stay in. It takes a huge amount of self-deception to remain in the Church...
  13. Re: Scientology spent $42 million for Global Media Center, now needs money to use it

    In other words, to sum up the Ideal Org bullshit - we are hiding your donations in plain sight and there's not a god-damned thing you can do about it.

    And Miscavige can charge back to the...
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    Re: You are a deluded Scientologist if...

    If you say you are a Scientologist you are by definition deluded and deluding others, and you are watching others delude others, and you are most fucking certainly deluding yourself...
  15. Re: Does Scientology create susceptibility to stress?

    Scientological point(s) of view create stress by their nature. The constant dichotomies ("it's only true if it's true for you" vs. "find your fucking MU you dilettante", "we are the free people" &...
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    Re: PLEASE ANSWER QUICKLY!! I WANT TO LEAVE!!

    I am former staff.

    Leave. Walk away, don't show up. Get in contact with family and friends and get away.

    You can't say or do anything directly with Scientology to stay friends or be nice,...
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    Re: Scientology, both sides now.

    No, fuck the other side.
    Seriously, it's trying to convince the delusional that their true perceptions are wrong.
    They're sure they are not delusional and that they are right.
    There is no...
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    Re: Strong password

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    Re: The future of scientology

    I'd like to see the Church disbanded and the original LRH copyright materials that were left expired released into the public domain.
    Hell release the whole bloody mess, confidential and all. ...
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    Re: INSIDIOUS ENSLAVEMENT:STUDY TECHNOLOGY

    I think this describes word clearing exactly. In study in a Scientological courseroom you the student are never allowed to evaluate for yourself what's going on - you can't read something and hit a...
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    Re: Getting bugged again after MANY years

    Sudden calls here too. Confirming an old address ("Yeah, that's the right address..."), and then by the third question I hung up. Fuck 'em. I put them into a "Scientology Don't Answer" contact in...
  22. Re: The Truth about Debbie Cook as Captain of Flag

    Debbie does evil, justifies it, keeps that justification, does a slight bit of good with an email but that email is within the context of the evil she has done (keeps the justification), then takes...
  23. Re: Everyone must redo the Scientology Objectives because no one completed them befor

    Yeah, right after he finished running around a fucking pole for 12 hours a day.
    You really can't make this stuff up.
    So, so very glad I don't buy the bullshit anymore.
  24. Re: 76 OTs on the Objectives: The Scientology Circular Bridge

    That was the Cause Resurgence Rundown
  25. Thread: Old people

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    Re: Old people

    They are driven until they drop and then discarded as downstat degraded beings with counter-intention who think they are bodies.

    In other words, no, they don't get any better or different food,...
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